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After Launch Day: Taking Stock of IPv6 Adoption
darthcamaro writes "So how did World IPv6 Launch go? Surprisingly well, according to participants at the event. Google said it has seen 150% growth in IPv6 traffic, Facebook now has 27 million IPv6 users and Akamai is serving 100x more IPv6 traffic. But it's still a 'brocolli' technology. 'I've said in the past that IPv6 is a 'broccoli' technology,' Leslie Daigle, CTO of the Internet Society said. 'I still think it is a tech everybody knows it would be good if we ate more of it but nobody wants to eat it without the cheese sauce.'" Reader SmartAboutThings adds a few data points: "According to Google statistics, Romania leads the way with a 6.55% adoption rate, followed by France with 4.67%. Japan is on the third place so far with 1.57% but it seems here 'users still experience significant reliability or latency issues connecting to IPv6-enabled websites.' In the U.S. and China the users have noticed infrequent issues connecting to the new protocol, but still the adoption rate is 0.93% and 0.58%, respectively."
What a terrible metaphor. Everyone knows that IPv6 is closer to a Brussels Sprout.
For large sets, this will be our guide even unto death, for the LORD will work for each type of data it is applied to...
So I know marketers will love it if everyone gets out from behind their NAT and faces the world with a naked IPv6 address.
Why is that so great?
http://blogs.voxeo.com/speakingofstandards/2011/05/22/fun-with-ipv6-addresses-check-out-facebooks-aaaa-record-in-dns/
On the consumer front only just recently did home WiFi routers start shipping or start getting IPv6 support, even then finding an ISP that will provision you is next to impossible.
On the enterprise front gear has been labeled as IPv6 ready or compatible or even listed it as a feature for a long time. However if you work in security and have to implement policy control over content, you quickly see that the functionality is years behind when applied to IPv6 flows... At an enterprise level switching isn't easy without swamping out a lot of gear, or reducing expectations... IPv6 enabled deep inspection, and application layer inspection tools are only now becoming available, or only now becoming mature enough to roll out.
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How many ipv4 nat routers are out there? How many of the big ISP's turned it on (or will by 'end of the year')?
Take my ISP for example (a pretty big one). They are just talking about turning it on this year 'by the end of the year' (which is marketing speak for next year).
Then how many consumer grade routers out there can you buy that are still only ipv4 (a lot btw). You have to go out of your way to get something with IPv6 you need to know exactly which router to get. You even had one decent sized manufacture yank the feature out for all intents and purposes so be careful which firmware you are running... Sure you can flash the firmware on many to get it. But what a pain. I dont feel like playing root my wireless access point to get a feature which should ALREADY be included... In 2005 this was understandable. In 2012 not so much anymore...
Then we can talk about the devices themselves. There are thousands of embedded devices out there sold within the past 2 years that ONLY do IPv4. TV's being the worst of the offenders... Bought a network enabled bluray a couple of months ago. IPv4 only... And both of these devices are from major manufactures...
the tl;dr ver 'it will take time not enough devices that support it yet'.
Calling IPv6 broccoli is a horrible analogy. IPv6 is chocolate, vanilla, cake, topped in cheese sauce. The only reason it is not being widely used is that IPv4 is working for the vast majority of people and they are not willing to invest time or money on equipment in switching to IPv6. Hopefully, this will change.
The day my ISP and my home hardware (MacOSX, Roku, iPhone, Android) support IPv6, I am using it.
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I wonder how a quick fix approach would have been accepted. Something simple like slapping another 32bits on an "extended" IPv4 address and assuming leading zeros on any packet with an old 32 bit address.
I really tried. I tried versions of DD-WRT, OpenWRT, and Tomato on my WRT54GL. I tried using 6to4 using both anycast and tunnelbroker. The best I managed to achieve with either method was successfully pinging ipv6.google.com. I never succeeded in pulling it up in a browser on any of my computers. I thought I got radvd working, but it must not have been working well enough. Maybe next year.
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I bought a business connection from my local provider, asked my salesperson if they had IPv6, they said yes. Tried to set it up for World IPv6 day. Well, their tech support says no they do not have IPv6. So, that was my IPv6 day experience.
I though tit was sad that bing.com and yahoo.com did not return a v6 address yesterday.
I'd like to know who's the users in China with IPv6. There's no provider, ADSL or otherwise, that provides IPv6. The only place where you could find IPv6 would be universities. And what's funny with it, is that it shows that the Great Firewall of China doesn't cope with v6 at all. All sites that would normally be blocked are wide open. So until the GFW is "patched", I don't think IPv6 will come. That's quite a shame, because I've read multiple times that the big ISPs backbones are already IPv6 capable.
There can be a real difference between "Can do IPv6" and "Can do IPv6 with realistic traffic." Most high end Cisco gear, even older stuff could be updated to support IPv6. However the problem is that it is all in software, all on the rather small CPU. So sure it'll work if you have only a couple IPv6 flows, however if everything went IPv6 it'd fall over. You need support in the ASICs for it, and that means buying new hardware.
Of course being high end it isn't so cheap. We upgraded all our stuff on campus to do IPv6 and it was millions to get all the hardware needed. Now we are large, but not compared to many ISPs. So it isn't so easy to just say "Oh buy a bunch of new equipment to replace the perfectly good stuff you already have."
IPv6 is coming, slowly, but it isn't going to be a fast process and anyone who things people, ISPs, etc should "Just do it," hasn't spent any real time looking at what is involved.
I checked with my ISP yesterday to see if they would support IPv6. The response I got was they would offer it as an option for business clients, but they didn't support consumer/home clients wanting IPv6. It looks like the move to IPv6 is still a ways off for many people.
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Note: This recipe works well for broccoli, Brussels sprouts, cauliflower, spinach, and many others.
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Hey, cool, facebook now resolves to an IPv6 address by default :)
As for my point, how will regular consumers deal with firewalling? Modern OSes have to have good firewall protection, because people take laptops to all kinds of insecure networks. Stil, I'm not sure it's a good idea to make all devices directly accessible over the internet, it's kind of like begging for a wormpocalypse. On the other hand, we have UPnP for NAT-ed IPv4, allowing applications to specifically request incoming ports. This is crucial for many applications. What should we do for v6 then? (I run without a separate firewall, even for a windows laptop, but this may not be a great idea on a large scale)
Why isn't slashdot accessible over IPv6?
My ISP has some support for IPv6 for some time now. I get an address from the 6to4 range but I don't use it.
Why?
Well, if everthing that connects to my network has a public IP address I'd like to have a central firewall rather than having to worry about securing each and every device that I ever connect. .... tricky. ... but you also get Japanese-only channel 14 in the process. Along with no restrictions on transmitted power other than those imposed by hardware itself).
In case of IPv4 this is done by my router (NAT + static port forwarding), in case of IPv6 things get
Native firmware only does IPv6 DHCP. No firewalling at all.
I could get OpenWRT to run, but from what I read that will be more painfull than installing gentoo. And may cause cause me to accidentally go all EMP on the neighbourhood (yay for WiFi drivers that know you're in USA regardless of your actual location and restrict everything, and you have to hack them to get them to support European channels 12&13
Also, my Linux box tends to hang up after about 30 minutes of being connected to a IPv6 network via WiFi. (as far as I can make out NetworkManager does some stupid things, then the kernel does some stupid things and it all ends up in a race condition, a bit like here: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/26847 )
There is actually a reason for eating broccoli with a cheese sauce - the fat from the cheese helps to dissolve the vitamins contained in the broccoli, and our bodies get more out of it!
On the Google IPv6 statistics, it says in Romania IPv6 is faster than IPv4.
New things are always on the horizon
If you look at Google's statistics that are linked in the article, the country leading the way on IPv6 adoption is actually Bhutan, with 8.37%, beating out Romania's 6.55%, it also beats it in latency with an average difference of -20ms, vs Romania's -10ms.
Can someone please inform the media that a standard that came out in Dec 1998 is not NEW?
250% of a rounding error is still a rounding error. How many years has it been?
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Also, there are some genetic differences that make broccoli and many other cabbages taste bitter to some people. (And similarly, there are genes that affect whether cilantro (aka coriander leaf) tastes really bad to some people.) I love the stuff, but President Bush was well known to be one of those people who hated broccoli, and most people have been kind enough to attribute it to genetics rather than his having been a spoiled child.
If you hang out with genetics geeks, eventually they're going to hand you pieces of blotter paper and see how they taste to you. If suddenly the whole world turns shiny, please introduce me to your friends, but usually they're either going to taste like paper or they're going to taste like really nasty bitter stuff, depending on which versions of several flavor-tasting genes you've got.
Also, to tie this vaguely back to IPv6, eventually you're going to run out of asparagus, there won't be any more in the stores, so you'll have to eat broccoli and cabbages until the summer veggies start to come in.
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The original view of IPv6 addressing was that the host portion was going to be assigned automagically based on your MAC address, similar to the way Novell Netware IPX and XNS did things, so not only would that provide trackability to individual computers for traffic from your home location, but if you took your laptop or cellphone somewhere else, the host portion would still be the same, just showing "Your laptop at Starbucks" instead of "Your laptop at home". Eventually, of course, 48-bit MACs got replaced with 64-bit EUI-64, leading to the /48-vs-/56-vs-/65 fights, and SLAAC-vs-DHCP6 fights, and to IPv6 Address Privacy Extensions, so it's a bit less of a concern, just messier.
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My ISP (Internode) has been providing opt-in dual-stack support for at least a couple of years, and enabled it by default for all new customers in January. Internode currently have about 2% of their customer base on IPv6.
Note: if you go to that page and the logo is spinning, it means you've connected via IPv6.
I get a static /56 prefix (earlier when it was still considered a trial they gave a /64 that could change when you lost ADSL connection). My router (Billion 7800N) acts as a DHCPv6 server and everything is hunkey-dory except for one minor quibble - the router advertises the upstream DNSv6 servers instead of itself, so if you've done static MAC->IPv4 mapping in the router they won't be returned when a DNSv6 request is made. The fix there is to manually set the link-local address of the router as the DNSv6 server on each of the machines.
A nice website has been set up for this: http://test-ipv6.com/
My results on checking (I've removed my addressing for obvious reasons):
Your IPv4 address on the public Internet appears to be
Your IPv6 address on the public Internet appears to be
The World IPv6 Launch day is June 6th, 2012. Good news! Your current browser, on this computer and at this location, are expected to keep working after the Launch. [more info]
Congratulations! You appear to have both IPv4 and IPv6 Internet working. If a publisher publishes to IPv6, your browser will connect using IPv6. Your browser prefers IPv6 over IPv4 when given the choice (this is the expected outcome).
Your DNS server (possibly run by your ISP) appears to have no access to the IPv6 Internet, or is not configured to use it. This may in the future restrict your ability to reach IPv6-only sites. [more info]
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Just bought a Netgear GS108Tv2 smart switch. It can switch IP6 packets at the Layer 2 level, but I don't expect any of the Layer 3 features to work at all, and it needs IP4 for the management console.
There seems nothing in Netgear's consumer line that does IP6. Given that we knew about IP6 a long time ago this is really bad. Even if my ISP gets IP6 in the next decade or so, I expect I'll be running dual stack for the life of that switch any any equipment I may get that is IP4.
And what is the cheese sauce needed to make it get adopted quicker?
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