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Re:Opera superior in a Vacuum.
"Mind you this is something the Opera comunity is against. The mantra there is change the world, not Opera, that is why I am now a Firefox user after Years of dedicated Opera Usage. Tilting at windmills gives you a sore back after a while."
Quit spreading lies already. "The community" is not a single entity with a single mind. Besides, you have ua.ini now, and it has always been possible to use a proxy to filter the useragent string. And User JS of course. -
Re:Opera superior in a Vacuum.
"But once you escape the comparison on pages that work, the stark reality is that many pages don't work."
Yeah, because sites discriminate against Opera and specifically send it broken stuff. Why should you care? I don't know, but don't go around spreading lies about Opera not being able to handle it. The fact is that people are specifically targeting Opera for some reason."Pre-empting those who say it is the fault of poor web coding and not Opera, in that some pages block or serve poor code to Opera."
"Yes that is correct, But it just doesn't matter! It doesn't matter where you point the finger, the result is an inferior browsing experience."
Sure it matters. Would you blame blacks in the US for being discriminated against? Of course not."I'll try Opera again (if ever) when they get better spoofing modes, better flash blocking."
You can edit a file called "ua.ini", which also downloads a list of sites from Opera's server. If you set "slashdot.org=4" in ua.ini, it will spoof as Mozilla 5.0 for Slashdot and hide "Opera" completely from the useragent string.You even have User JavaScript in Opera if you like those kinds of things.
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Re:Opera superior in a Vacuum.
"But once you escape the comparison on pages that work, the stark reality is that many pages don't work."
Yeah, because sites discriminate against Opera and specifically send it broken stuff. Why should you care? I don't know, but don't go around spreading lies about Opera not being able to handle it. The fact is that people are specifically targeting Opera for some reason."Pre-empting those who say it is the fault of poor web coding and not Opera, in that some pages block or serve poor code to Opera."
"Yes that is correct, But it just doesn't matter! It doesn't matter where you point the finger, the result is an inferior browsing experience."
Sure it matters. Would you blame blacks in the US for being discriminated against? Of course not."I'll try Opera again (if ever) when they get better spoofing modes, better flash blocking."
You can edit a file called "ua.ini", which also downloads a list of sites from Opera's server. If you set "slashdot.org=4" in ua.ini, it will spoof as Mozilla 5.0 for Slashdot and hide "Opera" completely from the useragent string.You even have User JavaScript in Opera if you like those kinds of things.
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Re:opera first, firefox as backup
"I only use firefox on sites that don't support opera -- aka sites that opera doesn't support
Actually, it's the other way around. In fact, many sites outright block Opera or specifically send it broken stuff. Don't believe me? Try it for yourself. Use Proxomitron to spoof as Firefox, and sites magically start working. ;)"You can read more about sites blocking Opera, too.
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Re:Well, maybe he didn't KNOW?
"RTFM!" was never more appropriate. Seriously, there is no good way to introduce all this advanced functionality to the user without the user playing an active role. I mean, Opera has a very good documentation, it has great tutorials. If you don't make the effort of at least checking all menu items, can you really blame the software? I mean, do you really want Opera to add an annoying "Tip of the day" alert or a Clippy lookalike that would go all "It looks like you...." every minute?
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Re:Well, maybe he didn't KNOW?
"RTFM!" was never more appropriate. Seriously, there is no good way to introduce all this advanced functionality to the user without the user playing an active role. I mean, Opera has a very good documentation, it has great tutorials. If you don't make the effort of at least checking all menu items, can you really blame the software? I mean, do you really want Opera to add an annoying "Tip of the day" alert or a Clippy lookalike that would go all "It looks like you...." every minute?
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Re:As Gates feared: The browser is the new OS
[...] Opera does not have adblock
True indeed. ...
False. I can select any text on a page, right click on it, and ... or any of the "cool but marginally useful" things like context-menu web search- search with any number of engines
- look it up in an online dictionary or encyclopedia
- send the text to an online translation site (currently translation.lycos.com).
All with Opera. As for web development, I could not live without the extra panels Opera allows: http://my.opera.com/community/customize/panel/. Or go without the built in spell checker for text boxes.
To be fair however, aside from AdBlock, I think that Opera and Firefox are pretty much dead even and choosing between them becomes more about personal preference that about technical merit.
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Re:Better Question
His boat sank and he had to go back home. At least he tried... kind of...
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Opera is way ahead on Greasemonkey
Well, take a look at Opera's UserJS at http://www.opera.com/support/tutorials/userjs/
They ways JS can be hooked into a webpage are far better than the Greasemonkey ones.
Whereas Greasemonkey scripts will be added at the end of a page, look at what Opera offers:
Funktions can be called before events, after events, before event handlers and after event handlers. And they have power. Like preventing the call of a eventhandler depending on the event data. Or null the cancelation (or stopped propagation) of an event that happened in a page's event handler. BeforeExternalScript to prevent loading external scripts, BeforeScript where you can prevent a script block to be executed. Or you can just change it and then allow its execution. Or you can capture read/write access to a global variable and manipulate it.
Great stuff, although it does have its rough edges and things to be enhanced. -
Opera User JavascriptEven Opera has jumped on the bandwagon with their own version of user scripts.
For the record, Opera's implementation predates Greasemonkey, as Rijk van Geijtenbeek (Opera employee) mentions on his web page:
It should be noted that Greasemonkey was not the inspiration for developing User JavaScript, as CNet.com seems to imply. This idea had come up between Jonny A. (Opera tech thinker) and Lars H., (our main JavaScript guy) in 2002 already, and the code was actually written last year.
It should also be noted that Opera user javascript offers more powerful event hooks than Greasemonkey. On the other hand, Greasemonkey has a much nicer script management interface--that is, it has one. -
Opera and user scripts
"Even Opera has jumped on the bandwagon with their own version of user scripts." Well, considering that Opera previewed a similar technology back in early 2003, I'm not so sure you could call that "jumping the bandwagon". But still, it's a nice edition, both to Firefox and Opera.
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Opera...
It seems like, every day, I'm reminded that my Opera purchase was a good decision.
Really, I've been amazed, for YEARS that anyone uses IE. I've been amazed for MONTHS that anyone uses Firefox. But that's just me. -
Re:No, wait!
Opera is working on this.
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Re:how much is FF saying it's IE?
Not always. What you say is true for Opera 7.x and below, but Opera 8 changed things.
From the Opera 8 changelog, at the bottom of the page: http://www.opera.com/windows/changelogs/800/index. dml
Enabled downloading of the file ua.ini, which specifies how Opera should identify itself to specific Web sites.
Can be edited manually.
1 = Identify as Opera
2 = Identify as Mozilla
3 = Identify as Internet Explorer
4 = Identify as Mozilla, hide Opera ID completely
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Opera has it already
as almost always, opera had it before
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Re:What graphic editors support SVG?
Actually, that list is fairly out of date.
Oh, and I forgot. There's no mention of Opera supporting SVG either.
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Re:What graphic editors support SVG?
Actually, that list is fairly out of date.
Oh, and I forgot. There's no mention of Opera supporting SVG either.
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Update: Opera
According to the website, Jon had to turn back. He was swimming with his PR manager who was in a raft, but after the raft sprung a leak Jon had to rescue him, sadly ending his Atlantic crossing in the meantime.
Quite a funny writeup, my favourite:
"As much as I don't want to talk behind a colleague's back, there is no doubt that we would never have let Eskil assist Jon in the raft had we known he can neither swim nor read maps," says an embarrassed Tor Odland, Opera's Communications Director. -
Re:It's Good to be the King
Sadly, Opera's CEO's swim across the Atlantic ended early.
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Re:Voice recognition
See also, the latest version of Opera.
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Re:Someone should suggest that
I guess you didnt hear about this catastrophe... Dont ya hate it when the boat pops? Curiously it looks as if they were very close to shore... Like they hadn't left yet
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Re:Opera is hype, ant their boss is drowning
"To be short. Opera sued M$ for fucking up competition. They won, and cashed in $ 80 mill. Probably, in the settlement agreement, they both agreed to shut their mouth... Cause no newspapers could state that it was microsoft, they only insinuated... One thing is for sure, Opera cashed in $ 80 mill from a lawsuit in 2004."
There was no lawsuit. Opera got money from someone for something, but there was no lawsuit. But where is this lawsuit against someone who created an ad blocker for Opera?"And what to do, if some really annoying adds beat the little home made ad blocker? And you really need to change the source code? I'm 100% sure Opera won't help you."
Are you serious, or are you pulling my leg? Opera doesn't have a built-in ad blocker. The bloody point is that there are several ways to block ads with Opera, most of which are third party solutions. Lots of them exist even though you claim that Opera sued people who created an ad blocker for Opera."You must understand tha the Opera bussiness model is based on the view of commercial interests(only?)."
Actually, no. If that were the case, then the founders would have left ages ago, with millions in their pockets. Opera is a tiny company with a vision."I run Knoppix and Firefox, and are very happy with that. I wrote the \. article in anger over the overdimentioned hype of Opera."
Overdimentioned Opera hype?! What about the overdimentioned Firefox hype?Now, quit slithering away:
Come now, little boy, give me some specific examples where Opera has sued someone for ad blocking or software patents.
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Re:Opera is hype, ant their boss is drowning
"To be short. Opera sued M$ for fucking up competition. They won, and cashed in $ 80 mill. Probably, in the settlement agreement, they both agreed to shut their mouth... Cause no newspapers could state that it was microsoft, they only insinuated... One thing is for sure, Opera cashed in $ 80 mill from a lawsuit in 2004."
There was no lawsuit. Opera got money from someone for something, but there was no lawsuit. But where is this lawsuit against someone who created an ad blocker for Opera?"And what to do, if some really annoying adds beat the little home made ad blocker? And you really need to change the source code? I'm 100% sure Opera won't help you."
Are you serious, or are you pulling my leg? Opera doesn't have a built-in ad blocker. The bloody point is that there are several ways to block ads with Opera, most of which are third party solutions. Lots of them exist even though you claim that Opera sued people who created an ad blocker for Opera."You must understand tha the Opera bussiness model is based on the view of commercial interests(only?)."
Actually, no. If that were the case, then the founders would have left ages ago, with millions in their pockets. Opera is a tiny company with a vision."I run Knoppix and Firefox, and are very happy with that. I wrote the \. article in anger over the overdimentioned hype of Opera."
Overdimentioned Opera hype?! What about the overdimentioned Firefox hype?Now, quit slithering away:
Come now, little boy, give me some specific examples where Opera has sued someone for ad blocking or software patents.
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Re:Opera is hype, ant their boss is drowning
"Apparently, over a million in four days. - You really trust that?"
I have no reason not to. Opera is known to be a good company.That google bar is logging where you surf"
Actually, all it does is to send relevant ads. It would be illegal for Google to gather data about you, as it's against the privacy policy, and a breach of contract between Opera and Google.Besides, it's optional, and not even enabled by default. You are given clear instructions on what it does before you yourself turn them on.
"And when you say "won't even notice them" You are a Troll."
Actually, no. I am simply telling the truth, as opposed to your FUD and lies."I'm not 'insinuating', I'm telling you. How did Opera get so rich? They sued."
Uh, for your information, since you clearly are completely ignorant: Opera Software is a tiny company. Rich? What is that supposed to mean? And who did they sue? Do you even have a single shred of evidence to support this ridiculous and obviously false claim?"And now, when they are rich, they got to guard their commercial interests, and propritary code. We'll see what happens..."
How about you try to inform yourself before spewing out FUD and lies? Read Opera Software's position on software patents yourself, and stop being silly. You can read about how they want a patent-free web too.Come now, little boy, give me some specific examples where Opera has sued someone for ad blocking or software patents.
"Please man, do you really think Opera is controlling all the web? Opera is a browser..."
You are not making sense. You claimed that Opera sued someone for creating an ad blocker for Opera. I pointed out that lots of people have created ad blockers for Opera, and they are not being sued."You must be naive? Is that the case? Your naivistic anger made you write this repply?"
I am naive because I point out simple facts that counter your brainwashed FUD?"And Tetzhnes did not drow, because he floated on his belly fat. He reached to hundret meters, before they picked him up."
Your point being?"From my point of view, you are the commercial infected troll."
Did you know that the FSF encourages open-source vendors to sell software? That open-source is in no way the opposite of commercial? That companies like Red Hat, Novell, IBM, and so on, are commercial entities building their business on Linux?Seriously, you are simply delusional. I hope for your sake that you are trolling, but I'm beginning to think that you actually are this stupid.
How old are you?
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The Opera CEO didn't get very far...
It seems like Jon S. von Tetzchner had a rough start on his cross-Atlantic swim, according to the company's web site. According to this (great PR) story von Tetzchner actually had to rescue his PR Manager out of the cold water in the Oslo Fjord today.
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Re:How He'll Do ItMy Firefox handled it just fine.
Mine too - FF handed the SVG off to Opera
;-)I think I need a new Amaya
... 9.0 didn't handle this show.The swim thing is a cute idea though. Literally true, and he gets his hot chocolate at Mummy's.
Move on, no spoilers here. Get Opera yourself and see what the whole deal is about.
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My ResumeDear Opera,
After viewing the pictures on your website, I would like to apply for the newly opened positions of CEO and PR Manager at your company. I feel I have the necessary qualifications, such as "not-drowned" and "not-reported-lost-in-the-northern-Atlantic".
Thank you for your time and consideration.
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Re:Opera is hype, ant their boss is drowning
"Who cares to download software with big ad banners?"
Apparently, over a million in four days. On the other hand, the Google ads are nothing but a tiny strip across the top of the screen. You won't even notice them."And they don't have an ad blocker
And who, exactly, sued him, eh? Are you insinuating that Opera sued someone for creating an ad blocker? What a load of crap. :( The guy who wrote that for them, got sued for it."If this were the case, then how, pray tell, are these guys getting away with creating ad blockers for Opera?
"Its only a mater of time before Opera and Tetzchner drowns."
He's floating! And Opera has been around for ten years. It isn't going anywhere any time soon, especially not with the incredible success that is the Opera 8.0 launch.Sorry, I know... Don't feed the trolls... But if one lets the trolls post without anyone correcting them, people might believe their drivel.
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Get Opera 8 for free!
You can get Opera 8 for free if you sign up at their my.opera.com site and get 250 referral clicks.
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Re:download it
It doesn't hurt the linux support that Opera and Trolltech have offices in the same building in Oslo, Norway either.
http://www.opera.com/company/
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Re:SuperCEO
http://www.opera.com/img/swim/swim2.jpg (CEO)
http://opera.com/img/o8/main.jpg (Superhero)
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Re:SuperCEO
http://www.opera.com/img/swim/swim2.jpg (CEO)
http://opera.com/img/o8/main.jpg (Superhero)
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Re:What about sales?
Nope, it was announced in an official press release.
General rule of thumb: if you hear about it in the news (including ./) it's probably coming out of a press release. -
Pictures are up
http://opera.com/swim/ - Pictures have been posted. Next update at at 10:00 am CET (4AM EDT)
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Re:Seems fishy to meTechinacally the embassy in Iceland isn;t that far away from a lake which it't self isn;t that far away from the American embassy.
Sometimes you have to think outside the box!http://people.opera.com/nicolasm/opera_ch05.s
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Re:How the heck?
http://people.opera.com/nicolasm/opera_ch05.svgz and the url...
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How He'll Do It
I figure he's going to swim from the Norwegian Embassy in Iceland, go to his mum's house, then swim to the US Embassy. Like this: http://people.opera.com/nicolasm/opera_ch05.svgz
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Re:how to get rid of ads?
You could give Opera a whirl. It's got this awesome feature which only shows cached images (from your hard disk). To load images from website, you hit shift-i. Quite cool!
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Re:Yep...
FUD, lies. Opera's JavaScript support is excellent, and Opera supports more CSS than any other browser.
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Re:safari
Opera does this already.
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Re:Direct Link to Win32 versionReal people just go to http://snapshot.opera.com anyway.
On a side note, kudos to Opera devs for making packages for pretty much every significant Linux distro out there. Go check the download link, and click around in menus - they've got quite an impressive list of supported distributions.
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Re:Well then.
Let's make him swim and just download it...
It's the number of downloads that counts and not the number of users :-)
http://my.opera.com/justsmile/affiliate/ -
Press release...
"...Opera's communications department clearly sees the potential for two parallel campaigns with their CEO's daring act of oceanic bravery:
Opera 8: Speed, Security, Simplicity
Opera's CEO: Speedos, Shrinkage, Spoke-to-soon-icity
Link to the press release: http://opera.com/pressreleases/en/2005/04/21/ -
Read the press release
You should really read the press release that is on their main site.
It's so much tongue-in-cheek that it stops just short of saying outright "yes, it's a joke".
Then again, it's very refreshing to see that a corporate PR department can still get away with cheap shots at the CEO. Choice quote: "However, having seen Jon in his red beach attire before, I am not sure if swimming to the USA is scarier than exposing people to this sight." -
Re:lets get him...
most of us will need http://www.opera.com/download/ to find the the non win32 versions
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Surely he has never heard...
Of the Slashdot Direct Link Effect !!!
Swim Jon, Swim ! -
Direct Link to Win32 version
For such a geek heavy site as
/. you'd think a download link would be to a platform select page and not the windows installer.
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Re:Is it a "negative" review? I dont think so...
Yep, I've been reading bad reviews and trying to lower my expectations, too.
My hopes were dashed first when Douglas died (a sad day indeed), then when I heard about the casting I was even more worried about how it would turn out. Then I saw Zaphod's "second head" and a picture of Marvin. Oh dear.
The effects look fantastic though.
I still don't know if I will go and see it. I am a big fan, so I HAVE to see it, but I also think it will be terrible and I don't want to encourage people to do this sort of thing (and pay them at the same time), so I SHOULDN'T see it. Being a fan is hard some days...
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Re:Fun Game!
There was also an American version (in fact two pilots were made) of Red Dwarf. I downloaded one of them and it was truly awful. There was one really good original joke, but the rest was bad.
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Re:cost??
Because I can't run all the software I want to use on a Mac. Macs are great (my brother has one), but not everything is compatible and not many games come out for them.
Also, I didn't say money was no object. You could say "why not buy a supercomputer as they are better than a PC or Mac". I should have said "within reason". The optimum usefulness/price balance, rather than just "give me the cheap one". Sometimes the cheap one IS the best, but I would never just get something BECAUSE is was the cheapest. I used my Amiga every day until December 2000 because it did what I wanted. I had to spend more to upgrade it than a PC, but I found it more usefull and nicer to use. Once that changed and I couldn't do what I wanted, I got a PC.
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