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Why libinput integration in KWin?
KWin/Wayland already supported input handling by being a Wayland client and connecting to a Seat. But especially for pointer events this was not sufficient at all. We have quite some code where we warp the pointer and Wayland doesnâ(TM)t support this (and shouldn't). Warping the pointer is normally considered evil as it can introduce quite some problems if applications are allowed to warp the pointer. E.g. it can create security issues if you start typing your password and a malicious applications warps the pointer to trick you entering your password into a password field of the malicious application. Also from a usabililty perspective it can be problematic as it makes the system behave in an unpredictable way.

I think the "and shouldn't" part is wrong. The next paragraph goes on to say why a window manager/compositor needs it. And to quote a 10 year old post, here's reasons why an application might need it:

There are applications where pointer warping is beneficial. Most have to do with tracking mouse movement to move a camera in a 3-d viewing context. For instance to look around a 3d world, using the mouse to point the camera. One can just compare the pointer position to the previous position to get a vector to rotate the camera, however this will fail when the pointer reaches the edge of the screen, and no more motion in that axis will be detected. With pointer warping, one can disable the drawing of the pointer, warp it to the center of the screen and just calculate thier movement vector based on the position of the pointer from the center of the screen, and warp the pointer back to the center of the screen. One now has full freedom to rotate the camera with the mouse. This is a useful feature in 3d games, 3d modelviewing, virtual tours, and many other 3d applications.

Also useful for trapping the cursor in a VM, if you want the edges. Another application I can think of is trying to select a region from a large image that requires scrolling. Usually that involves button press and hold, moving the cursor to the edge of the image carefully avoiding moving off the image and waiting until it scrolls for you. It would be a lot more elegant if it could just restrict the pointer to the image while you're doing your hold so hitting the edge and beyond would scroll the image directly. Once you release the button (or cancel the operation, typically ESC) the pointer is freed again. Of course the downsides is that an evil application can warp it maliciously and a broken application can trap your pointer. Still, this seems something better managed by an client security profiles than bypassing it by grabbing input altogether. And the compositor may have a "failsafe" key combo to detach the pointer from a malfunctioning application.

The other use case mentioned with global shortcuts is also the same, for a test/automation framework it could be useful to launch a child application while controlling its input and output. But obviously you can also launch the browser in a password-stealing keylogger wrapper, that would be bad. So again, security profiles? This is a compositor, when I sudo apt-get install it'll ask for extra permissions. Compromise my browser/mail client? No permission to warp pointer. This just seems to break the encapsulation that Wayland is trying to provide, here's your display and here's your input. Imagine for example a multiseat setup where all the devices don't belong to you, by grabbing input directly you're circumventing that. And say Wayland does something like rotate/zoom your display, you bypass any translation the display server does. That seems rather messy.

Many of these exploits and xss-worms would not have been effective if people had implemented the suggestion I made more than a decade ago:
http://osdir.com/ml/mozilla.se...
http://osdir.com/ml/security.w...
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/P...

Plenty of people suggest libraries to sanitize stuff, but when people keep creating new "GO" buttons and never a single "STOP" button - how can you be sure you've disabled every possible "GO" button? With my proposal, a "STOP button" could even disable future yet to be invented "GO" buttons.

Anyway since the Mozilla bunch supposedly have a better idea, how about getting on with it: https://developer.mozilla.org/...

Many of these exploits and xss-worms would not have been effective if people had implemented the suggestion I made more than a decade ago:
http://osdir.com/ml/mozilla.se...
http://osdir.com/ml/security.w...
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/P...

Plenty of people suggest libraries to sanitize stuff, but when people keep creating new "GO" buttons and never a single "STOP" button - how can you be sure you've disabled every possible "GO" button? With my proposal, a "STOP button" could even disable future yet to be invented "GO" buttons.

Anyway since the Mozilla bunch supposedly have a better idea, how about getting on with it: https://developer.mozilla.org/...

Google for "procmail remove attachments":
http://osdir.com/ml/mail.procmail/2002-11/msg00091.html

That will get you started. You can do most anything with Procmail after you figure out the rather odd configuration file format.
Make sure you have it backed up first because it's also quite easy to destroy data with Procmail.
After you spend a lot of time futzing with Procmail scripts and sed and formail and the like, you'll wonder why you didn't go on Amazon or Newegg and buy a $10 flash drive that will hold all your mail several times over.

Thanks for your help, but I am pretty sure the package is broken in my case. I have been following the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers, and this is not the first time that graphics support breaks on my computer, so I have dealt with this issue before. I have uninstalled all the nvidia packages and reinstalled them, and some of them complain of missing dependencies... I would show you the console output, but I am away from my main desktop right now. The problem, however, looks suspiciously like the one described here: http://osdir.com/ml/general/2011-07/msg07726.html. As I said in another post, I prefer to use packaged stuff from my distribution (Debian) than to compile the driver from nvidia on my own or use another driver than makes the GPU fan go crazy, so I will just wait it out.

Man my friend who owed me money tried to pawn me his old Gateway 386/SX, it sucked!

The new Gateway PCs are a lot faster, even if not fast enough to crush the scouter. The old Gateway you're thinking of probably had a 25 MHz 386 that would run 6900 iterations of Dhrystone per second, or roughly 4 standardized MIPS. The new Gateway has a Phenom X3 that can do over 28,000 MIPS.

Fuck that shit man, if you want a good sytem get yourself a Sega Genesis!

The new Gateway can probably emulate a couple dozen Sega Genesis consoles in parallel.

http://couchdb.apache.org/

You can host stuff in the cloud like with one fo these providers:
http://www.couchone.com/
https://cloudant.com/
and then easily backup to a desktop or even another cloud service you run yourself:
http://osdir.com/ml/db.couchdb.devel/2008-01/msg00222.html

CouchDB is a document-oriented database that supports easy replication between databases (with some indirect ideas from Lotus Notes). But I don't know of its use as an email client? Maybe a new niche there to write one...

CouchDB does not send or recieve email directly though -- one missing feature IMHO, although you could build some sort of relay to it using web standard (and maybe someone has). Basiclaly, you'd need a gateway to and from CouchDB as a server somewhere to translate between mail protocols and the http protocols CouchDB likes.

In the long term, we need a semantic desktop though...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_desktop

My own fumbling attempts in that direction:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/pointrel/

There's been talk about matplotlib with octave since 2005. What's the current state?

What are you smoking? Windows kernel itself hasn't really been vulnerable to anything, it's the third party software like Flash, Adobe PDF Reader, internet browsers, and previously some services.

So here's what Google has to say on the subject:

• Vulnerabilities in Windows Kernel
• Vulnerabilities in Windows Kernel Could Allow Elevation of Privilege (977165)
• Vulnerability in Windows Kernel Privilege Escalation
• GDT and LDT in Windows kernel vulnerability exploitation
• Vulnerability in Windows Kernel Could Allow Elevation of Privilege
• And many more...

For the lazy reader, almost every article here has the phrase "An attacker who successfully exploited this vulnerability could run arbitrary code in kernel mode." For the even lazier, allow me to summarize: "That's a Bad Thing"

Indeed, like any long-lasting public multi-version kernel, the Windows kernel has had a hefty share of vulnerabilities. What you said is just plain false. However, to the OP:

So this means your hypervisor can get infected? Is it really such a great idea to use the largest individual security risk in computers as a hypervisor?

You may want to think a little harder about what you mean by kernel. Every hypervisor is a type of kernel. Some things that perform hypervisor-like roles are full-fledged kernels. However, if you actually click the link in the article that you're quoting, you'd see that they're not talking even remotely about what you think they are. The article details how Microsoft is investigating changing some fundamental (read: legacy, UNIXy, etc.) kernel models and roles to take a shot at getting more successful multicore performance and a better user experience. It's less about "zomg Windows is a hypervisor" and more about "what traditional Kernel roles can we modify?"

If you understood even fundamental systems architecture concepts, you'd realize that Windows as a hypervisor is a lot less scary than Windows as a standalone OS, as the latter is not only handed full system control, but is also responsible for arbitrating userspace execution.

The 16MB heap limit does not apply to OpenGL ES resources, which can be the lion's share of a 3D game's memory use (texturemaps etc.)

Android actually is quite an excellent gaming platform, on hardware with a GPU of some sort (i.e. nearly all the currently supported handhelds.)

I'm writing an Android 3D game currently, and with hundreds of texture-mapped objects in view, the framerate is at or above the display's refresh rate. The CPU(s) are untaxed, the load is low.

Any serious game developer for Android will follow the usual real-time programming paradigms, like object-preallocation, avoiding boxed primitives, etc.

My impression as to why Android does not currently *seem* to have many quality games has to do with Google choosing to avoid touting one app over another. Also, OpenGL is not easy, nope, it's in fact hard. After reviewing many books on the topic, I've found just one that fits the bill: "Mobile 3D Graphics with OpenGL ES and M3G" (Pulli, Aarnio et al.)

If anyone's read this far, and you're considering buying the book, you'll want decent example apps to understand wtf the book is talking about. Go grab the NeHe OpenGL ES Android ports, then bunkerize for a week to learn how it all works.

I'm glad to see an apology for Turing's treatment being set straight. Alan Turing definitely didn't deserve the bad treatment that was inflicted upon him for his sexual orientation. He certainly deserves this apology.

One historical note is that several models of computers (or actual computers) preceded the more formal computer science, but naturally, the theoretical work of Turing (and related early CS pioneers such as Alonzo Church), and their rigour should also be highly regarded.

I remember the ARRL actively seeking the dropping of the code requirement. And hear they refer to the change as long awaited...

I agree with your overall assessment of the current state and likely future of the craft, but I've always considered the ARRL to be good stewards of the science.

Considering the expense and investment of time necessary to start in amateur radio, and the fact that the internet duplicates and extends its functionality to such an extent, the Hams decline seems an unfortunate inevitability. It really is too bad. IMing someone in Japan is not the same as shaking the air from Chicago to Kyoto.

That and I'm pretty sure I got an erection the first time I bounced a transmission off the atmosphere. That did not happen with my first e-mail.

There is the deliberate jamming of Venezuelan radio channels, the arrival of not one but two US vessels into Venezuelan territorial waters and complete diplomatic silence - in fact, I believe the State department may have issued a statement before it was known that Chavez survived the assassination attempt.

Do you have any sources for this information?
For all I know, you could be Chavez himself, except for the fact that you didn't make any orthographic errors, as is usual in Chavez.

Not that I deplore the actions you described, I really hope that the US was indeed behind the coup, that means that they could try to do it again, and maybe this time get rid of Chavez for good. At this point, there is really nothing venezuelans can do about it, we are as helpless as the cubans.

Actually, those things aren's as clear cut as you make them sound. Linux used to support at least one Laserjet Printer Mainboard. For an example, see this interiew or the default configuration file for the kernel

i'm not sure if they are that different but i would expect them to not be completely the same.

It gets very complicated to work out exactly what
is allowed , this thread covers a lot of it.
http://osdir.com/ml/drivers.madwifi.user/2004-09/msg00298.html

in summary - you need to tell your 802.11a adapter if you are using it outside and turbo
mode is an no-no.

There is a definition of 'nomadic' networks where you can pretty much do anything but for a permanent install you are expected to work out your power levels before installation.

Perhaps the Winmodem thing was a poor example, but according to this post, some of them do have DSP hardware, but lack a hardware UART. Whether that poster was correct or not, I'm not sure, but that is consistent with my vague memory on the subject. In any case, that's straying pretty far from the subject at hand. :-)

Some precisions on my summary. DigitalGlobe is obviously not the only other remote sensing data provider, but it's GeoEye main competitor in civil high-resolution multispectral remote sensing. GeoEye is itself the merging of two other previous major players on the same playing field, OrbImage and Space Imaging.

As for my claim of an agreement between DigitalGlobe and Google, see this two years old entry. The original archive for the DG message is here (the link on /geo does not work anymore).

One of the obvious questions that comes to mind is to which extent these exclusivity deals have negative impacts on other remote sensing imagery customers, small or big.

Another question is; does Google really needs such a deal to provide the best webmapping and virtual globes-related tools?

No need to even decode communications from the RFID implant - holding up a crowd at gunpoint, would-be hijackers may just have to detect the carrier frequency emanating from a person (with a device that even high-school students could build), and "abduct only the chipped" for maximum ransom.

Moreover, their victims will be unfortunate enough to undergo removal procedures that are reported to be "one ugly mess" (didn't look up the original quote, IIRC it was by CASPIAN's Katherine Albrecht) even with the benefit of optimal surgical attention, which they are unlikely to receive - to the contrary, kidnappers on the run may consider it reasonable to quickly sacrifice "part of" their prey, making the "fear for life and limb" quite literal, with emphasis on the latter, while putting the abducted in a condition that will leave little time for negotiations.

What would be good is what I proposed _years_ ago:

http://osdir.com/ml/mozilla.security/2002-10/msg00029.html

Then even if someone manages to slip in javascript or other html naughties into an allowed content-type=text/html that's uploaded or emailed to the site, it still won't work on the target's browser.

(if the browser supports the feature, and the website encloses all stuff that _should_ be "plain old harmless stuff" with such tags).

Basically when the browser sees such tags, it will go "Ah, between these tags, I behave as a browser with the fancy stuff disabled". So java, activeX, javascript AND _NEW_STUFF_ that people think up that slips through the upload checks would still be disabled.

That's right, even fancy new stuff that people are thinking of, could be disabled without the website having to keep up with the latest and greatest way to pwn you that the browser or w3c have decided to bless the world with.

It's been 7 years already and everyone seems to be happy to create new "foot guns" for the world but nobody seems interested in making a "foot gun safety".

Huh. Magic databases are a contributor to the problem not the solution.

The problem is browsers are NOT respecting the mime type AND are using a "magic database" to decide whether something can be executed. It's not that relevant whether magic database is from the O/S or from the browser. The main issue is the browsers are NOT respecting the mime type.

With magic databases stuff that contains executable stuff can get executed no matter what it is called.

The way to protect against the "magic database" is to set permissions on the file to "not execute" (and even so might still work).

But currently the browser does not know what permissions are on a file that's downloaded (all it knows is it can read it). You are supposed to set the mime type, but seems the browsers aren't respecting that.

I have actually proposed something that could help against stuff like this AND other attacks, to both the browser people and the W3 bunch but they were NOT interested.

Example:
http://osdir.com/ml/mozilla.security/2002-10/msg00029.html

If they had implemented my suggestion years ago, the myspace worms and other similar worms would likely not have worked on browsers that supported the security feature - it would be trivial for the websites to restrict 3rd party stuff to allowed behaviours.

Nope, apparently it has to be a subdomain of the domain you're attacking, due to bailwick filtering - see, for example this post. If it wasn't for bailwick filtering, an attacker could just launch a request to a DNS server they controlled and avoid having to guess anything. (Supposedly, this used to work, though.)

http://osdir.com/ml/encryption.general/2002-06/msg00009.html

Tarnovsky was in cahoots with another pair of hackers and when they turned state's evidence, one of them had a very unfortunate accident that left him dead.

Tarnovsky no doubt wants to get his profile as high as possible to make it more difficult to have an unfortunate accident himself.

Not for nothing, NDS comes from the same country that developed Kra Maga, a very vicious martial art based wholly on Cobra Kai's slogan.

Check it out. That, my friends, is a real Clock Gobbler.

FreeBSD's ipfw2 is used in Apple Mac OSX. Is there a comparison ipfw2 with Linux's iptables?

Here is a comparison with ipfw2, OpenBSD's pf and ipfilter: http://osdir.com/ml/org.user-groups.bsd.nycbug/2006-09/msg00042.html

If anything's to be fixed, then statistics on what's going wrong, where, and how are needed. If they can't be produced, then there's likely nothing wrong (although I admit this doesn't apply in all cases). Profiling and hard facts describe reality.

Comparing GTK+ 2 apps to GTK+ 1 apps is typically a faux pas, as the GTK+ 2 apps have much more functionality, as they've had years more development than the old GTK+ 1 versions. I admit that GTK+ 2 itself is probably a little slower than GTK+ 1, but again, that's due to extra functionality. I've looked around for some figures, and haven't been able to find any actual figures, but I've got an interview with Owen Taylor shortly after the release of GTK+ 2.0, and then a mailing list post about Ethereal performance a month or so later. The second one gives a more rosy view, and since optimisations and improvements have been made since (see Federico's 2005 presentation on optimising GNOME for an example), I'd be fairly confident that GTK+ 2 is OK.

You've been working with it for seven years, and yet every comment of yours on GNOME and GTK+ on Slashdot in the last year has been slagging it off quite badly. It makes one wonder why you continue to code with such a "steaming pile of crap written by developers whose egos are bigger than their brains". If by "interfaces" you mean library APIs then you're dead wrong. GTK+, Glib and all the other core libraries of GNOME have had complete API and ABI stability since the first 2.x release. We're more than happy to fix problems if they're pointed out to us, or if we find them ourselves. I personally get quite annoyed, however, when someone waves their hands in the air and says "it's common knowledge that Gnome has problems", without a scrap of proof or supporting data.

Ok, at that point I punt. Looking at the bottom of the article, where it mentions software, I note that it shows that a Matlab function "princomp" gives the principal component. No mention of octave. I would guess that since the Octave dev's push for Matlab compatibility, they'd have inclusion of functions like that on their to-do list.

just to round out discussion, regarding opensource PCA, the wiki article points out SciLab and "the open source statistical package 'R'" as having PCA capabilities.

ok, took a few seconds to google. Came upon this Octave Help discussion thread where the person gives what seems to be a rather simple script " to compute principal component analysis". The discussion is primarily about compiler issues, and differing PCA results with different compiles, but the discussion is from 2004.

Most recent Octave wiki matlab-compatibility page doesn't mention it at all, so no certainty there. From the same year, however, the following was also posted, giving a (seemingly) more complete PCA script: another PCA Octave thread

You're moronic.

Every operating system, whether it be Windows NT, XP, or Vista, Linux, FreeBSD, or Solaris, states that 1Kb = 1024bytes, 1Mb = 1024Kb, and so on.

>fixing the problem of only supporting 65,536 rows in Calc.

a) If you are using that many rows, you should be using a real database.

b) If you are willing to compile source code, there is an OOo code snippet showing how to have millions of rows in Calc. The use of that code snippet is entirely experimental. (A five second search on Google didn't find it. I did find the thread that discussed it at http://www.nabble.com/Recompile-Calc-to-support-more-than-64k-rows-and-256-columns--t725995.html

c) http://osdir.com/ml/gnome.apps.gnumeric/2002-10/msg00019.html is a link to how to change the number of rows in Gnumeric.

Amber

The SCO Group's market valuation compared against the winnings they hope to get from lawsuits lets you calculate the market's view of the chance that they will be successful. A few years ago someone calculated that the chance of SCO winning was about 3.7%. SCO's current market capitalization is about $10M. I don't know if the book value of their assets is worth anything - probably not if they owe Novell almost all that money they got from Microsoft. So somebody, somewhere still thinks there is a faint chance of being awarded _something_. But certainly not the $5G crazy money figures they used to throw around.

Well, I said I wanted an account on DM to learn MDL, but I actually only wanted to play Zork. I tried to find the source code at the time, to help me solve the harder puzzles, but not until years later did I stumble across it thanks to google. Finding the source code was a grand adventure in itself!

MDL is basically just a fancy dialect of Lisp, with data types and angled brackets. Now days, the best way to learn MDL is to read the Zork source code!

Where did you find the MDL binary on Twenex.org? I wonder if the binary version of MDL you found would run under the KLH10 PDP-10 emulator, like the one you can telnet to at its.svensson.org. Probably not, since ITS is a lot different than Twenex. Maybe Devon could pull it off of an old DM dump tape! Good luck with your open source MDL interpreter!

I've had a hard time finding the tech reports about MDL online. Here is a thread about locating those and other MIT LCS Tech Reports. It mentions this place to find TR's. That links to this catalog, which lists several MDL publications. Those listings say you can purchase them from MIT Document Services.

MIT-LCS-TR-292: The MDL Programmig Language Primer, by M. Dornbrook, M. Blank.
MIT-LCS-TR-293: The MDL Programming Language, by S. W. Galley, G Pfister.
MIT-LCS-TR-294: The MDL Programming Environment, bu P. D. Lebling.

You might try asking Gerald J Sussman, Hal Abelson, Stu W. Galley or Steve Meretzky. I wonder who owns the copyright, and if they'd be willing to make it GPL and put the original Zork source code up on Google Code for people to read and search and learn from? The version I found is the latest greatest PDP-10 ITS version, just before Infocom took it and ported it to microcomputers.

-Don

Or another long-standing bug: Firefox's apparent inability to print layered transparent PNGs, such as the type used for the route-line overlay on Google Maps.

Seriously, go try it. At least on OS X, you don't even need to print, you can just hit the "Preview" button from the Print dialog, when looking at a Google Maps "print view," and it'll show you the route-line-less (and therefore pretty damn useless) map that it's about to print. It does the same thing on any other page that uses overlaid transparent graphics in layers.

It's well known and extremely annoying, but apparently the FF devs don't care about printing bugs?

It's unfortunate, because it just makes FF seem very much 'unfinished' when, in order to print a map from one of the more popular sites on the Internet, you have to use an alternate browser. The same thing works just fine in Safari on Mac OS X, or IE on Windows.

They need to stop adding new features and fix some of the bugs that have been around for months or years.

Just about everything technology related - http://technews.acm.org/current.cfm
Operating systems - http://osnews.com/, http://osdir.com/
Programming languages (like Ruby and Python and functional langs.) - http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/, http://plnews.org/
Consumer tech news - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/default.stm
And of course, http://slashdot.org/

"I think that desktop linux is not ready because it still plagued by a problem of text configuration files. I'm perfectly OK configuring my debian box from various files in /etc directory, however most of the users e.g. normal people aren't"

As a confirmed Debian user I find it strange that you don't know about Synaptic a GUI front-end to the debian package manager. Have you mentioned Xandros, Ubuntu or Linspire to the 'normal people', all three based on Debian and not a text config file in sight.

"as long as proper GUI configuration tools, like Control Panel in windows, are absent from KDE/GNOME desktop environments I don't think that majority of people would like to use it"

As a confirmed Linux user I find it strange that you are not aware of any GUI config tools. This Redhat Menu item (april 2003) looks to me, strangly like a GUI config utility. SuSE provides the YaST GUI install and config utility and not a config text file in sight. According to this Linuxconf has a GUI frontend that runs on Redhat or Mandrake.

Linux needs Control Panel (Score:5, Distro FUD)

Man I'm sick of hearing KDE/Gnome GUI rocks cause I can make it look like Aqua/XP/Vista. At best a highly customized Linux GUI is a just a cheap imitation. Which becomes painfully obvious the more you use it. I really don't think people get it, 90%+ of users do not change their defaults so:


IF THE GUI DOESN'T LOOK GOOD BY DEFAULT THEN PEOPLE AIN'T GOING TO USE IT!


Ubuntu 6.10 and Suse Linux 10 are about the only Distro's with a polished interface that actually have a remote chance of gaining mainstream acceptance. There are still people wondering what magical force was behind Ubuntu shot to popularity stardom. It's because they were the first distro with the resources and focus to actually develop an attractive usable desktop. Is there really any wonder why they are the 2 most popular desktop linux distro's in circulation today.

The reason why its taken this long to actually produce a good GUI is because existing Linux fanboyz are either too l33t to admit they care about how a GUI looks or they have managed to convince themselves that they're GUI is the best in the world because its the most customizable and they can make it look like everyone else's.

Man I'm sick of hearing KDE/Gnome GUI rocks cause I can make it look like Aqua/XP/Vista. At best a highly customized Linux GUI is a just a cheap imitation. Which becomes painfully obvious the more you use it. I really don't think people get it, 90%+ of users do not change their defaults so:


IF THE GUI DOESN'T LOOK GOOD BY DEFAULT THEN PEOPLE AIN'T GOING TO USE IT!


Ubuntu 6.10 and Suse Linux 10 are about the only Distro's with a polished interface that actually have a remote chance of gaining mainstream acceptance. There are still people wondering what magical force was behind Ubuntu shot to popularity stardom. It's because they were the first distro with the resources and focus to actually develop an attractive usable desktop. Is there really any wonder why they are the 2 most popular desktop linux distro's in circulation today.

The reason why its taken this long to actually produce a good GUI is because existing Linux fanboyz are either too l33t to admit they care about how a GUI looks or they have managed to convince themselves that they're GUI is the best in the world because its the most customizable and they can make it look like everyone else's.

"we're competing with windows 98 on looks"
who's this *we?
http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?re lease=645&slide=2

Redhat: Unfakeable Linux - Oracle a Fork!

Perhaps you should actually try installing a recent version of Debian sometime soon. In the meantime, these screenshots of Debian Etch's installer should reassure anyone who might be feeling a bit nervous after reading so much FUD.

Yes, it improved a lot since Sarge and we will deliver with an optional GUI installer too. Preview screenshots at: http://osdir.com/Article7765.phtml

-- stratus

DSL looks like this, Fedora looks like this, and you think it's politics? Are you kidding? Red Hat is a big company with lots and lots of experts on their payroll. A decision to go with them isn't politics, it's business.

DSL looks like this, Fedora looks like this, and you think it's politics? Are you kidding? Red Hat is a big company with lots and lots of experts on their payroll. A decision to go with them isn't politics, it's business.

Why do people always asume that "desktop user" is someone who has a full time admin doing every thing for them? Was I supposed to print one out when I downloaded the ISO's?? Sorry, most people are going to get here before they realize they are over their head and go back to Linux or probably Windows. I think delusional people like you hurt the chances of FreeBSD actually seeing ~5% of the desktop more than they help.

The "Start" icon in gnome looks like an erect penis. http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/637_or/26.png

You mean this? I remember it looking more similar...

Does anyone recognise the multilingual background in this screenshot? I've seen it before somewhere, while working for Sun I think... perhaps a Solaris screen... or something to do with the old java stations?

This is looking great!

Nice simple clean theme unified across KDE & Gnome, the install, the boot screen, partition manager, etc. They all look the same & really pretty nice.

Good job Suse!

Oh - and this release includes XGL - if anyone wants to have a look at what it looks like - check out this video (I think it's Suse 10, but with lots of extra's included in 10.1) - man it looks nice!

It was about time someone did something like this. We needed something like this!

It was about time someone did something like this. We needed something like this!

It was about time someone did something like this. We needed something like this!