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They ARE xenoforming our planet, and we have limited time to stop them before they begin constructing saltwater-filled vehicles to roam the lands and take over

A salt-water filled vehicle, that's the real news for nerds here. I just hope they post how they made it on instructables!

Oblig. http://home.pacbell.net/fakeout/futurama_fish.jpg

Also recorded in history is this account of a close encounter of the third kind in 1887 ;-))

http://home.pacbell.net/joerit/docs2/crash/1887crsh.htm

Why Threads Are A Bad Idea (for most purposes) http://home.pacbell.net/ouster/threads.pdf

This one perhaps? : Threads.pdf

Sure would be nice if this page was updated with more recent results, and if somebody ran the fuzz generator regularly as a community project, like Coverity does for free software project code.

Another clean-shaved nerd is John Ousterhout. He does look normal now, but at some point he was very GQ looking; very stylish annoyingly business-like.

Easily explained by pumps, which feed the canals and were built by the natives.

http://home.pacbell.net/vyzamora/Mars%20Picture.jp g

Okay, seriously, this is the first image:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mars_first_land er_image.gif

Caption: "This is the first image ever transmitted from the surface of Mars. It was taken only a few minutes after landing. Engineers decided to program the probe to quickly take and send an image of a footpad because it was feared that earlier Soviet probes may have sank into quicksand because they stopped transmitting shortly after touchdown. If Viking met the same fate, they wanted to know about it this time. Some speculate that the cloudiness on the left side is due to dust left over from the landing. The cameras scanned one vertical strip at a time such that by the time the scanning moved to the center of the image, the dust had allegedly settled."

Yup, right on the money. There's a lot to be learned by programming a few micro controllers. It's farily easy to get started too, especially if you go for common hardware such as PICs. Just grab a PICkit 2, an assembler and some software to get your programs onto the chips and you're set.

Doing a search for "PIC projects" on Google should give you some fun ideas to work towards. If you've done at least two years of computer science you should have all the knowledge of assembly you need.

When I think of engineering mistakes, the Cypress Freeway comes to mind. A double-decker freeway built on soil that isn't solid in an earthquake-prone area is a disaster waiting to happen.

The former double-decker section of 880 has since been replaced with a new, single decker structure a bit to the west of the original alignment. The cost of that new, short freeway section was $1.13 billion dollars, more expensive than the costs of LA's Century Freeway (105), IIRC.

I'm sure everyone else including the person seeking advice understands the difference between 'formating' a web page (which is all that HTML and PHP do, in their purest sense), and writing a program that can actually 'run' and 'do something'.

Just because something has a name or cliche attatched to it, as many scriping and 'Interpreted' languages do, does not make it so.

The issue here is to explain to the person entering this field, the various nuances that he/she may face in making a decision.

It is NOT to argue over issues that can easily be misconstrued, as you tried to do.

If the person we are helping is interested enough, they will investigate further to see what points are being made by any poster.

I did not say nor mean to imply that there were no relationships between 'scripting' and actual programming.

Scripting afterall is nothing more than taking commands that you would normally type on a command line, or 'editor', as opposed to learning an actual, bonifide 'Programming Language', which adheres to strict standards and protocals, which PHP DOES NOT.

HTML even has it's definition in its name, ie: 'Mark Up Language'.

Scripting, and Programming, ARE LITERALLY two different things, as I will point out in the references listed below.

Please see the following WiKi remarks on this point, under the heading titled: CRITICISM.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHP

And here:

http://home.pacbell.net/ouster/scripting.html

For a detailed explaination of the differences in these two computer TYPE language systems.

G'day.

-- Solidly entrenched in 'Bad Karma'.. now I can finally speak my mind... 10 times per day-- the new 'limit' set by the same /. management that claims we should not worry about Karma ratings :\

Then you are a fool, and since the GPP declined to site evidence, I will do so myself:

• No right to police protection
• Police have a right to refuse to protect you
• Police have no duty to protect you

That enough for you?

Suha 714-563-1029 mailto:laptops@pacbell.net

How does that work?

You should probably read this paper on scripting
The moral is, no matter how complex a system build on Ruby will get, it will always be more simple to use than a system build on Java, just because Java carries the characteristics of a systems programming language while Ruby carries the characteristics of a scripting programming language.

Yes, that was true up to a few years ago. However, recently, they've moved to variable length network identifiers using CIDR, Classless Inter-domain Routing, precisely because of the ever so close shortage of IP address. This technique and NAT are to blame for the delay in getting IPv6 out there on a mass scale.

what?! Care to explain or cite?

Google for "liberator pistol". Made of stamped steel and some very simple parts, by the Guide Lamp division of General Motors. If you can find one, it'll cost you about $2000 - $3000 US - they're that rare. I've seen one in ten years that wasn't in a museum.

As someone else said - the point wasn't to use it as a combat weapon, it was to shoot someone _with_ a combat weapon so you could take their gun and use that. 7 shots of .45 ACP were in various places inside the stamped steel body, but reloading it involved partially taking it apart.

http://home.pacbell.net/rlhag65/liber.htm has a bit of a write-up on it.

The liberator pistols (and probably the Vietnam era Deer Guns too) have been melted down as scrap. The Deer Gun had to be reloaded by poking out the spent shell casing with a stick and then reloading by hand with one round of .45ACP. The Vietnam version, called the Deer Gun required its user to unscrew the barrel to reload its single shot of 9x19mm parabellum.

More info can be found right here.

The liberator pistols (and probably the Vietnam era Deer Guns too) have been melted down as scrap. The Deer Gun had to be reloaded by poking out the spent shell casing with a stick and then reloading by hand with one round of .45ACP. The Vietnam version, called the Deer Gun required its user to unscrew the barrel to reload its single shot of 9x19mm parabellum.

More info can be found right here.

You're probably referring to the Liberator, a single-shot .45 pistol, that the US manuafactured during WWII. Supposedly they cost less than $5 to make and were designed to be dropped behind Axis lines to allow resistance members to kill an enemy soldier and take his weapon. Today they are extremely rare and are worth up to a $1000.

That's the summary of the story that's been put together so far :)

The redshift they describe is 'cosmological redshift'. It is true that it would be technically incorrect to call it a Doppler redshift if the currently-held accelerating universe view is actually true.

There are Doppler redshifts on top of this as well - rotations and movement add to or subtract from the cosmological redshift.

What the papers I quote have been finding is that cosmological redshift (whether Doppler or not) isn't enough.

Intrinsic redshifts are statistically important. They do not, however, get rid of the cosmological component.

The current 'accepted' value of the Hubble Constant, which reflects the age of the universe, is 72 km/s/Mpc, giving us an age of about 13 billion years.

Taking the instrinic redshift from that gives us a Hubble Constant of 50-60 km/s/Mpc, which gives us an age of about 18 billion years, so that theorists might have time to deal with the 'vegetable soup' phenomenon, to quote a sound bite.

(Looking back to 1-2 billion years after the Big Bang, the universe still doesn't look very young. Of course, the revised age will also alter back the ages of some of the objects.)

There's some reason to believe that even the remaining cosmological component may not actually represent expansion, and it was presented in one of Edwin Hubble's later lectures, "The Observational Approach to Cosmology".

The premise, basically, is that a redshift would give a corresponding decrease in photon density, if due to expansion, but it doesn't.

We'll see what happens over the next few years, though :)

Thanks for the link!

TCL's creator's paper 'Why Threads Are A Bad Idea (for most purposes)'

There's a scripting component for Python called OSA Python, and one for Javascript called Javascript OSA.

Frontier's UserTalk language is another implementation.

I'm sorry, but I call bullshit.

http://home.pacbell.net/ouster/threads.pdf

The better approach is to create one or more large files of random data and feed that into the apps; this is better because it gives you a reproducible stream. (Or you can use a Perl script with a known srand() seed.)

The term "fuzz testing" comes from a seminal 1990 paper (and followups in 1995 and 2000) by Barton Miller et al., who, incidentally, found much higher quality in GNU tools than in their proprietary counterparts. Before my tendinitis got too bad, I used to run The Bulletproof Penguin a one-man project devoted to stamping out such bugs (my initial goal, easily achieved, was to eliminate all the bugs reported in the original paper). Ben Woodard was doing something very similar for a while, but I don't know whether he still does.

Incidentally, this makes a certain recent Slashdot story more embarrassing: it seems that free Web browsers crash on malformed input, the kind of case that free software normally handles better than its proprietary competition.

I was there. My take: SenderID was a meme on the decline - several large entities and several small entities gave it the thumbs down; several large entities (all D.M.A. members, I think) gave it the thumbs up. Rikus: the place was abuzz with SPF discussion: it got several thumbs up and several thumbs down. CSV, SES, BATV were new and on the rise - no thumbs down. AOL committed to using CSV. (In the sense that they're 'using' SPF today) and got several other thumbs up. BATV got several thumbs up, SES got a few thumbs way, way up.
A lot of folks expressed serious concerns about deployment complexity. It was pointed out that the different proposals have vastly different footprints and initial and ongoing support costs and motivations driving early adoption, which will dramatically effect effectiveness and deployment trajectories and costs. Most of the proposals will require millions of end users be walked through changes by their support staff, and this dwarfs all the other costs being considered, including even the cpu costs of crypto and the cost of record creations. However, this isn't an issue that affects most of the entities represented. It worried the small biz reps a lot.
I'll post more details soon!

Good ol' ED-209.

What is the evil force behind all wrongdoing in the universe?

It never had a name. Until now. Until we identified it and studied it while making ready to destroy it.

Its name is VladeKua5y !

VladeKua5y (pronounced "Vladequacy") is the root of the problem. VladeKua5y is the root of all problems. VladeKua5y is the enemy. VladeKua5y is what must be destroyed.

Kuro5hin + Vladinator + Adequacy = VladeKua5y !!

Who is the enemy? VladeKua5y ! VladeKua5y ! VladeKua5y !

What must be destroyed? VladeKua5y ! VladeKua5y ! VladeKua5y !

Who is the enemy of all trollers evarywhere? VladeKua5y ! VladeKua5y ! VladeKua5y !

Here is some information on VladeKua5y . Expect more people like Rusty Foster to be added soon.

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What is the evil force behind all wrongdoing in the universe?

It never had a name. Until now. Until we identified it and studied it while making ready to destroy it.

Its name is VladeKua5y !

VladeKua5y (pronounced "Vladequacy") is the root of the problem. VladeKua5y is the root of all problems. VladeKua5y is the enemy. VladeKua5y is what must be destroyed.

Kuro5hin + Vladinator + Adequacy = VladeKua5y !!

Who is the enemy? VladeKua5y ! VladeKua5y ! VladeKua5y !

What must be destroyed? VladeKua5y ! VladeKua5y ! VladeKua5y !

Who is the enemy of all trollers evarywhere? VladeKua5y ! VladeKua5y ! VladeKua5y !

Here is some information on VladeKua5y . Expect more people like Rusty Foster to be added soon.

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Ok, maybe one other thought. TCL is a cool language - [...] and it has never been as thread-friendly as other languages.

While I'm not involved in the Scripting Wars, I think it's worth pointing out that TCL's stance on threading is motivated by the fact that its creator thinks that threads are a bad idea.

More screenshots I've seen:

http://home.centurytel.net/jacob002/xorg-mplayer.j pg
http://home.centurytel.net/jacob002/metacity-compo sitor.png
http://home.centurytel.net/jacob002/skippy-xd.jpg
http://albin.abo.fi/~jfors/images/saya-20040830-1. png
http://members.arstechnica.com/x/ioslipstream/milk shot.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~amsilveira/screenshots/08 -27-04bg.jpg
http://www.rpi.edu/~penwan/ss-20040829.png
http://home.pacbell.net/elomire/screenshot.png
http://thorin.battleaxe.net/~prototyped/kde33.png
http://members.arstechnica.com/x/treatment/Screens hot-14.jpg
http://home.centurytel.net/jacob002/xorg-glxgears. png
http://www.arslinux.com/~jorge/screenshots/xorg.pn g
http://home.centurytel.net/jacob002/xorg-transvide o.jpg

The same size problem will result in vastly different numbers of lines of code in different languages. One of the primary advantages of higher level languages like python or perl is that it often only requires 10% as many lines of code to write the same program. John Ousterhout analyzes several projects written in both C and tcl in his well known paper "Scripting: Higher Level Programming for the 21st Century", finding ratios of between 2:1 to 47:1 for lines of code in C to lines of code in tcl. I've discovered similar results working in perl and python.

They seem to work according to this empirical study:

http://home.pacbell.net/mtom168/internalantenna/

Just use NAT

Actually, I think the IP equivalent of fixing the allocation problem is CIDR (Classless Inter-Domain Routing).

Actually, it's not 1.7 billion addresses. Because of the way the address space is allocated, not every potential address is available, and that's before you take into account things like CIDR (classless interdomain routing not this)

[C]an you imagine programming, or writing out abbreviations, or non-words with voice recognition?

Yes. I know someone who has had to deal with severe RSI, and he says:

Programming is still more tedious with dictation because of all the symbols and nonstandard word spellings. You can define macros to help with common usage, but even so it's substantially harder to dictate programs than to type them. Nonetheless, dictation hasn't hurt my overall programming productivity that much.

[C]an you imagine programming, or writing out abbreviations, or non-words with voice recognition?

Yes. I know someone who has had to deal with severe RSI, and he says:

Programming is still more tedious with dictation because of all the symbols and nonstandard word spellings. You can define macros to help with common usage, but even so it's substantially harder to dictate programs than to type them. Nonetheless, dictation hasn't hurt my overall programming productivity that much.

The Lindon, Utah, company, which has a $3 billion lawsuit pending against IBM, told reporters and analysts in a teleconference that it would begin suing companies that use Linux, but refuse to pay licensing fees to SCO.

"One of things that we will be looking to do is to identify a defendant that we believe will illustrate the nature of the problem," David Boies, managing partner of SCO's law firm Boies, Schiller & Flexner LLP, said. "I don't want to try and identify that defendant on this call, for obvious reasons . . . but you will be seeing the identification of a significant user that has not paid license fees and is in fact using proprietary and copyrighted material. I think you'll certainly be seeing that within the next 90 days."

Betty's bunnies have fluffy fur today

The problem is that your television and your Super-8 use different number of frames per second. (c. 30 vs 24)

Consequently getting a good copy to tape is not easy. Before video, TV stations used a telecine machine, which coverted 16mm film to video.

Finding someone to do it with 8mm is even tougher since the number of people filming on the format has stabilized at oh a couple thousand.

One resource to start with though is here or here or here.

Something might be going on. When trying www.sco.com I do get a connection refused. When under heavy load, I would expect a connection time out ... unless course I don't know Jack [flash animation] about HTTP ;-)

Evert

... to give the impression of continuous movement due to the idiosyncrasies of human perception.

Thats why the old fashioned 8mm movies were (usually) shot at that speed.

CC.

Since I believe in Ousterhout's dichotomy, my favorite code generator is SWIG. It automatically create bindings for calling C and C++ libraries from scripting languages like Python, Lua, Perl, Ruby, PHP, and Tcl.

Well...I'd want the default subnet mask to be correct, so barring other concerns, I'd choose the IP range that has the subnet mask correct.

Chris Benard

You can buy your own singular IP for about 50 bucks.

Where? From what network? CIDR is supposed to be used with route aggregation, to lighten the load on core routing tables, and you still need a netmask, which would likely make the absolute minimum allocation a /30 -- good luck getting that kind of route pushed to the core routers (which would be needed for it to be ISP independant). And classfull routing is AFAIK only defined for class A, B and C, so that's out of the question.

It's very helpful if you don't want to change it each time you change ISPs, especially if you're running a personal box as a server.

Are ISPs really willing to setup routes to IPs outside their own netblock (for netmasks smaller than say class C or maybe CIDR /25 or /26 -- and matching service contracts)? How can they get that kind of of routing tables propagated upstream? How much do they charge for this kind of service?

One of my first uses of the internet was to read about it in rec.bicycles.offroad (A sadly defunct news group thanks to trolling).

see alt.mountain-bike. RBOR's better, rowdier brother.
Still has MJV, though...:(
RBOR traffic died off due to the broken (voted in) moderation process. Moderated in attempt to get rid of the psycho Dr.MJV.

(One had even welded his own frame).

And yes..I've built a few recumbent bikes and trikes from a collection of tubes and old bike parts. Brazing is much easier for a neophyte to do.

Please...tell me you haven't been reading that netkook Mike Vandeman.

Some funny cartoons are produced with flash but producing web applications with it can be more pain than they are worth.

We build web applications using flash as the front end, php in the middle, and mySQL in the back. Our decision to use flash on the front instead of tried and true html was based on two promises by Macromedia:

1. More than 90% of all web users have at least a Flash 4 plug-in installed . So if you make a flash based application the user will not need to download a new plug-in.
2. Flash applications, look and run the same on all browswers and platforms.

When you start programming with Flash MX you soon find that your end user will require the Flash 6 plugin. Not just any Flash 6, the very latest version has some bug fixes that seem to be essential for some features. So promise #1 was broken because the users still need to download the newest viewer.

Promise number 2 was also broken because the applications do not work the same on all machines, and we now end up jumping throught the same hoops that we do with html. Design once, and test on every platform and browser.

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What is the evil force behind all wrongdoing in the universe?

It never had a name. Until now. Until we identified it and studied it while making ready to destroy it.

Its name is VladeKua5y !

VladeKua5y (pronounced "Vladequacy") is the root of the problem. VladeKua5y is the root of all problems. VladeKua5y is the enemy. VladeKua5y is what must be destroyed.

Kuro5hin + Vladinator + Adequacy = VladeKua5y !!

Who is the enemy? VladeKua5y ! VladeKua5y ! VladeKua5y !

What must be destroyed? VladeKua5y ! VladeKua5y ! VladeKua5y !

Who is the enemy of all trollers evarywhere? VladeKua5y ! VladeKua5y ! VladeKua5y !

Here is some information on VladeKua5y . Expect more people like Rusty Foster to be added soon.

NAME: Burdge, Jonathan E-MAIL: jlb@io.com, jlbatdarc@w-link.net, elby@adequacy.org, darc@w-link.net ALIASES: lb, jlb, Elby

NAME: Casillas, Luis E-MAIL: casillas@stanford.edu, em@adequacy.org ALIASES: em, Estanislao Martinez, Sylvain Tremblay

NAME: Corrigan, Barry E-MAIL: barry@bjcorrigan.fsnet.co.uk, bc@adequacy.org ALIASES: bc, ktb (Kiss the Blade), Lover's Arrival, Euroderf, Erbert Paget-Paget, Anya

NAME: Dickson, Craig E-MAIL: crd@inversenet.com, mendaxveritas@yahoo.com, mendaxveritas@pacbell.net ALIASES: mv, Mendax Veritas

NAME: Flickinger, Dan E-MAIL: flikx@geekizoid.com, flikee@xmission.com ALIASES: flikx

NAME: Haberberger, George E-MAIL: ghaberbe@frontiernet.net, George.Haberberger@usa.xerox.com ALIASES: GeorgeHa, Hairy_Potter

NAME: Huston, Bill E-MAIL: bozoman@vlad.geekizoid.com, ALIASES: bozoman

NAME: Johnson, Peter E-MAIL: peter.johnson@voicestream.com, shoeboy@adequacy.org ALIASES: Shoeboy, Peter Johnson

NAME: Lockwood, Scott E-MAIL: wsl3@attbi.com, vlad@geekizoid.com ALIASES: Vladinator, Lonesome Cowboy Burt, Quick Star, Pinkerton Floyd, etc.

NAME: Linwood, Rob E-MAIL: rcl@cs.csoft.net, rcl211@is9.nyu.edu ALIASES: AuntFloyd, Con Troll

NAME: Mann, Warren E-MAIL: broken@warmann.com ALIASES: osm, OpenSourceMan

NAME: McPherson, Craig E-MAIL: craig@laceyonline.com ALIASES: craig, naked&petrified guy

NAME: Nelson, Brian E-MAIL: elenchos@adequacy.org ALIASES: Elenchos

NAME: Osborne, Michaell E-MAIL: osborm@yahoo.com, dmg@adequacy.org, michaellosborne@netscapeonline.co.uk ALIASES: dmg, Dumb Marketing Guy, Lord Hugh Toppingham

NAME: Sassaman, Esther E-MAIL: esther@antioch.edu, perdida@adequacy.org, reva_altamira@yahoo.com ALIASES: Perdida, Reva Altamira, etc.

NAME: Skinner, James E-MAIL: spiralx@spazmail.com, spiralx@adequacy.org ALIASES: SpiralX, Manifold, Jon Erikson

NAME: Stanton, Matt E-MAIL: matt@madeforchina.com, serf@adequacy.org ALIASES: Serf

NAME: Zikowski, Zachary E-MAIL: zikzak@io.com, zikzak@adequacy.org ALIASES: Zikzak, kp

NAME: ???, Ernie E-MAIL: trollmastah@hotmail.com ALIASES: Trollmastah

IMPORTANT NOTICE:
It's coming.
You are not ready.
You can't stop it.
TROLLING BEGINS:
January 1st, 2003. 11:59PM.
It's coming.

SEELE loves yuo!!!