Domain: plugshare.com
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Comments · 32
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Re:Where are all the charging stations?
Since owning an EV, this has to be the most common misconception, and the most common thing people ask about. Check out the https://www.plugshare.com/ map, and start zooming out for an assortment of options. I am fortunate that my closest charging station is in my garage. When I go on long trips, the supercharger map https://www.tesla.com/supercha... is built into my navigation, so I can see exactly where my next stop needs to be. It even tells me how much energy is needed for round-trip. In addition, my father-in-law runs a ranch in rural ND, and even he has a 50A NEMA 6-50 circuit for his welder I can plug my car into for 37 mile-per-hour charging.
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Lame, but it's a start
As a Bolt owner I was surprised that Google didn't do this long ago. But in my first look it is pretty bare bones.
Zoom out and see charge stations for a road trip?: No
Filter by paid/free?: No
Filter by ChargePoint, EVGo, Greenlots, Electrify America,
...?: NoFilter by CHAdeMO, CCS, Supercharger, Tesla Destination, 14-50 outlet?: No
Show chargers along route?: No
Trip planning?: No
Tesla owners will probably stick with the Tesla apps and I'll wait till it is better than Plugshare, A Better Route Planner and the like.
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Re:Too late
A lot of them do. There's already a unifying search service called "PlugShare" that a lot of companies use for their charging station apps.
The real question is if Google Maps will offer the ability to filter by only charging standards your car can use, since there are currently something like 10 different charging standards.
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How to find car charging stations
I can't figure out how to identify [places with public J1772 chargers] on a map yet, compared to being able to find Tesla stations
FYI, there is an extremely useful web site for this:
You can find where they are, how much they cost, how much parking costs (some places have free charging but you must pay for parking, and some places you have to pay for both), how many chargers, what hours the chargers are available, and a rating from 1 to 10 for how good the charger is (10 if it's always in working order and usually available, 1 if it's always broken or always blocked or whatever).
Also, I have their app on my phone; I use it to find chargers sometimes, and I also have used it a few times to pay for charging at some J1772 chargers.
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Re:Personally I don't care
I don't care what the range is, until there are charging stations everywhere
They are (and rapidly expanding). And that's just superchargers - including slower ones (but still including high power DC), look here.
and a full charge happens in 10 minutes
In your everyday life (aka, the vast majority of your time), instead of 5 minutes to detour to a gas station, a full charge takes 10 seconds: 5 to plug in, 5 to unplug. In the comfort of your garage.
On long trips, it charges during meal and bathroom / stretch breaks, about 75 miles range per 10 minutes charging at below 50% SoC. Take, for example, a 700 mile trip. At 70mph that's 10 hours (not counting breaks), so two meal breaks - say, a 20 minute lunch and a 30 minute dinner. 45 minutes charging. That adds about 375 miles, meaning 685 miles. Just one or two 10 minute stretch breaks (on your 10 hour trip) and that's your entire charging.
The only thing it doesn't work for is "sprint" trips, where you're basically trying to avoid all stops, eating in the car, minimizing all bathroom and rest breaks. And if you're the sort of person who does that... don't. Seriously, stop it; that's dangerous, not just to you, but to other drivers.
I would have range anxiety
A belief only held by people who've never owned an EV. Because 1) supercharging rates aren't slow; 2) you can extend range significantly just by slowing down, at any point in time (unlike ICE vehicles, EVs increase in range down to around 20-25mph), and 3) in the absolute worst case (which almost never happens), you can ask to charge virtually anywhere. Farmhouse in the middle of nowhere? Ranger station deep in a national park? You name it. And the answer in practice is almost always yes.
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Re: Electric cars going the way of 3D TV and RoR
But you're supposed to charge up all night at home
You're the one who imposed the "no supercharging at the person's house" requirement (which doesn't match reality, FYI). I'm just meeting your impositions.
so why in the world would you drive the short distance from home to the SC station and then juice up again?
On the way. Hence Arlington if you're coming from the south and Denton if you're coming from the north.
There needs to be a SC station between Dallas and Shamrock.
By the time anyone in Texas gets a M3, there will be two. There's already one.
I googled "Tesla supercharger new mexico" and saw none in the entire southern half of the state
Okay, now we're seeing the problem. I'm pretty sure you're looking at "screenshots" of the supercharger map taken from random points in the past, not any of the live maps. It's important to always check the most current data; the network has been growing at a crazy rate.
This is Tesla's live supercharger map. Red means already fully operational. Grey means either currently unoperational or under construction; all under construction stations are scheduled to be finished by the end of this year (and the total number of stations tripled by the end of next year over what they are today).
Beyond superchargers (that map also has an option to show Tesla-branded destination chargers), there's exponentially more chargers over at Plugshare, of varying speeds. Note that you have to zoom in before they appear. Plugshare does not show any that are under construction. Superchargers are of course fastest, but they're going to be rivaled very soon by VW's network, which is targeting speeds even faster than the current generation of superchargers (but not as powerful as Tesla's new V3 supercharger, which is still under wraps). Current V2 superchargers are 145kW per charger (usually 4-8 chargers per station), max 120kW per vehicle, up to two vehicles connected to a charger at once (but with supercharger density maintained such that having to share a charger is rare - if it ever ceases to be rare that's a trigger to build more superchargers in an area). Volkswagen's network is going to be a mix of 150kW and 350kW chargers. When asked if Tesla's V3 would be 350kW, Musk responded by calling 350kW a "children's toy".
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Re: Electric cars going the way of 3D TV and RoR
A Model 3 doesn't have the range for a long weekend at the quaint rural B&B two hours away
Where are you getting that from? (also helpful: name the B&B and starting location)
Not in the US in the (at least) past 15 years.
How did gasoline manage to become non-carcinogenic (and neurotoxic, and a whole range of other toxicity effects) in the past 15 years?
In some very small town gas stations (where you wouldn't find an EV charging station anyway), but certainly not at 98% of gas stations in the US in the past 30 years.
Weather has ceased to exist in the US except in small towns? Or are you saying that US pumps connect themselves to your car on their own like a snake, as well as paying for you with EZ-pass?
Fine: you find a Motel 6 off the Interstate and check in for the night. Good luck charging your EV over night.
Lol. Which Motel 6? This one? How about this one? This one maybe? Or perhaps this one? Maybe you meant this one? Or this one? Nah, must have been this one.. No, wait, this one! No, this one! Last guess, this one? Wait, wait a second! How many guesses do I get?
EV charging is now very common at hotels. And even if a place doesn't officially offer it, 9 times out of 10, if you call and ask, you get a "yes".
Same with visiting distant friends/relatives: it would be grossly impolite to plug your car into someone else's power outlet.
Right. Let me get this straight. "Welcome to my home. Thanks for driving five hours to see me! Come on in! Have a bite to eat! Walk on this carpet that I just cleaned! Feel at home! But don't you DARE use 80 cents an hour of electricity, or I'll cut you! No, you have to go plug in at one of the numerous superchargers on the way and have to suffer through half an hour to 80% full while you eat lunch. Muahaha, I've foiled your evil EV-driving plans with my penny-pinching make-you-eat-lunch-during-a-road-trip plot!"
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Re: Electric cars going the way of 3D TV and RoR
A Model 3 doesn't have the range for a long weekend at the quaint rural B&B two hours away
Where are you getting that from? (also helpful: name the B&B and starting location)
Not in the US in the (at least) past 15 years.
How did gasoline manage to become non-carcinogenic (and neurotoxic, and a whole range of other toxicity effects) in the past 15 years?
In some very small town gas stations (where you wouldn't find an EV charging station anyway), but certainly not at 98% of gas stations in the US in the past 30 years.
Weather has ceased to exist in the US except in small towns? Or are you saying that US pumps connect themselves to your car on their own like a snake, as well as paying for you with EZ-pass?
Fine: you find a Motel 6 off the Interstate and check in for the night. Good luck charging your EV over night.
Lol. Which Motel 6? This one? How about this one? This one maybe? Or perhaps this one? Maybe you meant this one? Or this one? Nah, must have been this one.. No, wait, this one! No, this one! Last guess, this one? Wait, wait a second! How many guesses do I get?
EV charging is now very common at hotels. And even if a place doesn't officially offer it, 9 times out of 10, if you call and ask, you get a "yes".
Same with visiting distant friends/relatives: it would be grossly impolite to plug your car into someone else's power outlet.
Right. Let me get this straight. "Welcome to my home. Thanks for driving five hours to see me! Come on in! Have a bite to eat! Walk on this carpet that I just cleaned! Feel at home! But don't you DARE use 80 cents an hour of electricity, or I'll cut you! No, you have to go plug in at one of the numerous superchargers on the way and have to suffer through half an hour to 80% full while you eat lunch. Muahaha, I've foiled your evil EV-driving plans with my penny-pinching make-you-eat-lunch-during-a-road-trip plot!"
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Re: Electric cars going the way of 3D TV and RoR
A Model 3 doesn't have the range for a long weekend at the quaint rural B&B two hours away
Where are you getting that from? (also helpful: name the B&B and starting location)
Not in the US in the (at least) past 15 years.
How did gasoline manage to become non-carcinogenic (and neurotoxic, and a whole range of other toxicity effects) in the past 15 years?
In some very small town gas stations (where you wouldn't find an EV charging station anyway), but certainly not at 98% of gas stations in the US in the past 30 years.
Weather has ceased to exist in the US except in small towns? Or are you saying that US pumps connect themselves to your car on their own like a snake, as well as paying for you with EZ-pass?
Fine: you find a Motel 6 off the Interstate and check in for the night. Good luck charging your EV over night.
Lol. Which Motel 6? This one? How about this one? This one maybe? Or perhaps this one? Maybe you meant this one? Or this one? Nah, must have been this one.. No, wait, this one! No, this one! Last guess, this one? Wait, wait a second! How many guesses do I get?
EV charging is now very common at hotels. And even if a place doesn't officially offer it, 9 times out of 10, if you call and ask, you get a "yes".
Same with visiting distant friends/relatives: it would be grossly impolite to plug your car into someone else's power outlet.
Right. Let me get this straight. "Welcome to my home. Thanks for driving five hours to see me! Come on in! Have a bite to eat! Walk on this carpet that I just cleaned! Feel at home! But don't you DARE use 80 cents an hour of electricity, or I'll cut you! No, you have to go plug in at one of the numerous superchargers on the way and have to suffer through half an hour to 80% full while you eat lunch. Muahaha, I've foiled your evil EV-driving plans with my penny-pinching make-you-eat-lunch-during-a-road-trip plot!"
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Re: Electric cars going the way of 3D TV and RoR
A Model 3 doesn't have the range for a long weekend at the quaint rural B&B two hours away
Where are you getting that from? (also helpful: name the B&B and starting location)
Not in the US in the (at least) past 15 years.
How did gasoline manage to become non-carcinogenic (and neurotoxic, and a whole range of other toxicity effects) in the past 15 years?
In some very small town gas stations (where you wouldn't find an EV charging station anyway), but certainly not at 98% of gas stations in the US in the past 30 years.
Weather has ceased to exist in the US except in small towns? Or are you saying that US pumps connect themselves to your car on their own like a snake, as well as paying for you with EZ-pass?
Fine: you find a Motel 6 off the Interstate and check in for the night. Good luck charging your EV over night.
Lol. Which Motel 6? This one? How about this one? This one maybe? Or perhaps this one? Maybe you meant this one? Or this one? Nah, must have been this one.. No, wait, this one! No, this one! Last guess, this one? Wait, wait a second! How many guesses do I get?
EV charging is now very common at hotels. And even if a place doesn't officially offer it, 9 times out of 10, if you call and ask, you get a "yes".
Same with visiting distant friends/relatives: it would be grossly impolite to plug your car into someone else's power outlet.
Right. Let me get this straight. "Welcome to my home. Thanks for driving five hours to see me! Come on in! Have a bite to eat! Walk on this carpet that I just cleaned! Feel at home! But don't you DARE use 80 cents an hour of electricity, or I'll cut you! No, you have to go plug in at one of the numerous superchargers on the way and have to suffer through half an hour to 80% full while you eat lunch. Muahaha, I've foiled your evil EV-driving plans with my penny-pinching make-you-eat-lunch-during-a-road-trip plot!"
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Re: Electric cars going the way of 3D TV and RoR
A Model 3 doesn't have the range for a long weekend at the quaint rural B&B two hours away
Where are you getting that from? (also helpful: name the B&B and starting location)
Not in the US in the (at least) past 15 years.
How did gasoline manage to become non-carcinogenic (and neurotoxic, and a whole range of other toxicity effects) in the past 15 years?
In some very small town gas stations (where you wouldn't find an EV charging station anyway), but certainly not at 98% of gas stations in the US in the past 30 years.
Weather has ceased to exist in the US except in small towns? Or are you saying that US pumps connect themselves to your car on their own like a snake, as well as paying for you with EZ-pass?
Fine: you find a Motel 6 off the Interstate and check in for the night. Good luck charging your EV over night.
Lol. Which Motel 6? This one? How about this one? This one maybe? Or perhaps this one? Maybe you meant this one? Or this one? Nah, must have been this one.. No, wait, this one! No, this one! Last guess, this one? Wait, wait a second! How many guesses do I get?
EV charging is now very common at hotels. And even if a place doesn't officially offer it, 9 times out of 10, if you call and ask, you get a "yes".
Same with visiting distant friends/relatives: it would be grossly impolite to plug your car into someone else's power outlet.
Right. Let me get this straight. "Welcome to my home. Thanks for driving five hours to see me! Come on in! Have a bite to eat! Walk on this carpet that I just cleaned! Feel at home! But don't you DARE use 80 cents an hour of electricity, or I'll cut you! No, you have to go plug in at one of the numerous superchargers on the way and have to suffer through half an hour to 80% full while you eat lunch. Muahaha, I've foiled your evil EV-driving plans with my penny-pinching make-you-eat-lunch-during-a-road-trip plot!"
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Re: Electric cars going the way of 3D TV and RoR
A Model 3 doesn't have the range for a long weekend at the quaint rural B&B two hours away
Where are you getting that from? (also helpful: name the B&B and starting location)
Not in the US in the (at least) past 15 years.
How did gasoline manage to become non-carcinogenic (and neurotoxic, and a whole range of other toxicity effects) in the past 15 years?
In some very small town gas stations (where you wouldn't find an EV charging station anyway), but certainly not at 98% of gas stations in the US in the past 30 years.
Weather has ceased to exist in the US except in small towns? Or are you saying that US pumps connect themselves to your car on their own like a snake, as well as paying for you with EZ-pass?
Fine: you find a Motel 6 off the Interstate and check in for the night. Good luck charging your EV over night.
Lol. Which Motel 6? This one? How about this one? This one maybe? Or perhaps this one? Maybe you meant this one? Or this one? Nah, must have been this one.. No, wait, this one! No, this one! Last guess, this one? Wait, wait a second! How many guesses do I get?
EV charging is now very common at hotels. And even if a place doesn't officially offer it, 9 times out of 10, if you call and ask, you get a "yes".
Same with visiting distant friends/relatives: it would be grossly impolite to plug your car into someone else's power outlet.
Right. Let me get this straight. "Welcome to my home. Thanks for driving five hours to see me! Come on in! Have a bite to eat! Walk on this carpet that I just cleaned! Feel at home! But don't you DARE use 80 cents an hour of electricity, or I'll cut you! No, you have to go plug in at one of the numerous superchargers on the way and have to suffer through half an hour to 80% full while you eat lunch. Muahaha, I've foiled your evil EV-driving plans with my penny-pinching make-you-eat-lunch-during-a-road-trip plot!"
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Re: Electric cars going the way of 3D TV and RoR
A Model 3 doesn't have the range for a long weekend at the quaint rural B&B two hours away
Where are you getting that from? (also helpful: name the B&B and starting location)
Not in the US in the (at least) past 15 years.
How did gasoline manage to become non-carcinogenic (and neurotoxic, and a whole range of other toxicity effects) in the past 15 years?
In some very small town gas stations (where you wouldn't find an EV charging station anyway), but certainly not at 98% of gas stations in the US in the past 30 years.
Weather has ceased to exist in the US except in small towns? Or are you saying that US pumps connect themselves to your car on their own like a snake, as well as paying for you with EZ-pass?
Fine: you find a Motel 6 off the Interstate and check in for the night. Good luck charging your EV over night.
Lol. Which Motel 6? This one? How about this one? This one maybe? Or perhaps this one? Maybe you meant this one? Or this one? Nah, must have been this one.. No, wait, this one! No, this one! Last guess, this one? Wait, wait a second! How many guesses do I get?
EV charging is now very common at hotels. And even if a place doesn't officially offer it, 9 times out of 10, if you call and ask, you get a "yes".
Same with visiting distant friends/relatives: it would be grossly impolite to plug your car into someone else's power outlet.
Right. Let me get this straight. "Welcome to my home. Thanks for driving five hours to see me! Come on in! Have a bite to eat! Walk on this carpet that I just cleaned! Feel at home! But don't you DARE use 80 cents an hour of electricity, or I'll cut you! No, you have to go plug in at one of the numerous superchargers on the way and have to suffer through half an hour to 80% full while you eat lunch. Muahaha, I've foiled your evil EV-driving plans with my penny-pinching make-you-eat-lunch-during-a-road-trip plot!"
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Re: Electric cars going the way of 3D TV and RoR
A Model 3 doesn't have the range for a long weekend at the quaint rural B&B two hours away
Where are you getting that from? (also helpful: name the B&B and starting location)
Not in the US in the (at least) past 15 years.
How did gasoline manage to become non-carcinogenic (and neurotoxic, and a whole range of other toxicity effects) in the past 15 years?
In some very small town gas stations (where you wouldn't find an EV charging station anyway), but certainly not at 98% of gas stations in the US in the past 30 years.
Weather has ceased to exist in the US except in small towns? Or are you saying that US pumps connect themselves to your car on their own like a snake, as well as paying for you with EZ-pass?
Fine: you find a Motel 6 off the Interstate and check in for the night. Good luck charging your EV over night.
Lol. Which Motel 6? This one? How about this one? This one maybe? Or perhaps this one? Maybe you meant this one? Or this one? Nah, must have been this one.. No, wait, this one! No, this one! Last guess, this one? Wait, wait a second! How many guesses do I get?
EV charging is now very common at hotels. And even if a place doesn't officially offer it, 9 times out of 10, if you call and ask, you get a "yes".
Same with visiting distant friends/relatives: it would be grossly impolite to plug your car into someone else's power outlet.
Right. Let me get this straight. "Welcome to my home. Thanks for driving five hours to see me! Come on in! Have a bite to eat! Walk on this carpet that I just cleaned! Feel at home! But don't you DARE use 80 cents an hour of electricity, or I'll cut you! No, you have to go plug in at one of the numerous superchargers on the way and have to suffer through half an hour to 80% full while you eat lunch. Muahaha, I've foiled your evil EV-driving plans with my penny-pinching make-you-eat-lunch-during-a-road-trip plot!"
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Re: Electric cars going the way of 3D TV and RoR
A Model 3 doesn't have the range for a long weekend at the quaint rural B&B two hours away
Where are you getting that from? (also helpful: name the B&B and starting location)
Not in the US in the (at least) past 15 years.
How did gasoline manage to become non-carcinogenic (and neurotoxic, and a whole range of other toxicity effects) in the past 15 years?
In some very small town gas stations (where you wouldn't find an EV charging station anyway), but certainly not at 98% of gas stations in the US in the past 30 years.
Weather has ceased to exist in the US except in small towns? Or are you saying that US pumps connect themselves to your car on their own like a snake, as well as paying for you with EZ-pass?
Fine: you find a Motel 6 off the Interstate and check in for the night. Good luck charging your EV over night.
Lol. Which Motel 6? This one? How about this one? This one maybe? Or perhaps this one? Maybe you meant this one? Or this one? Nah, must have been this one.. No, wait, this one! No, this one! Last guess, this one? Wait, wait a second! How many guesses do I get?
EV charging is now very common at hotels. And even if a place doesn't officially offer it, 9 times out of 10, if you call and ask, you get a "yes".
Same with visiting distant friends/relatives: it would be grossly impolite to plug your car into someone else's power outlet.
Right. Let me get this straight. "Welcome to my home. Thanks for driving five hours to see me! Come on in! Have a bite to eat! Walk on this carpet that I just cleaned! Feel at home! But don't you DARE use 80 cents an hour of electricity, or I'll cut you! No, you have to go plug in at one of the numerous superchargers on the way and have to suffer through half an hour to 80% full while you eat lunch. Muahaha, I've foiled your evil EV-driving plans with my penny-pinching make-you-eat-lunch-during-a-road-trip plot!"
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Re: Electric cars going the way of 3D TV and RoR
A Model 3 doesn't have the range for a long weekend at the quaint rural B&B two hours away
Where are you getting that from? (also helpful: name the B&B and starting location)
Not in the US in the (at least) past 15 years.
How did gasoline manage to become non-carcinogenic (and neurotoxic, and a whole range of other toxicity effects) in the past 15 years?
In some very small town gas stations (where you wouldn't find an EV charging station anyway), but certainly not at 98% of gas stations in the US in the past 30 years.
Weather has ceased to exist in the US except in small towns? Or are you saying that US pumps connect themselves to your car on their own like a snake, as well as paying for you with EZ-pass?
Fine: you find a Motel 6 off the Interstate and check in for the night. Good luck charging your EV over night.
Lol. Which Motel 6? This one? How about this one? This one maybe? Or perhaps this one? Maybe you meant this one? Or this one? Nah, must have been this one.. No, wait, this one! No, this one! Last guess, this one? Wait, wait a second! How many guesses do I get?
EV charging is now very common at hotels. And even if a place doesn't officially offer it, 9 times out of 10, if you call and ask, you get a "yes".
Same with visiting distant friends/relatives: it would be grossly impolite to plug your car into someone else's power outlet.
Right. Let me get this straight. "Welcome to my home. Thanks for driving five hours to see me! Come on in! Have a bite to eat! Walk on this carpet that I just cleaned! Feel at home! But don't you DARE use 80 cents an hour of electricity, or I'll cut you! No, you have to go plug in at one of the numerous superchargers on the way and have to suffer through half an hour to 80% full while you eat lunch. Muahaha, I've foiled your evil EV-driving plans with my penny-pinching make-you-eat-lunch-during-a-road-trip plot!"
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Re: Electric cars going the way of 3D TV and RoR
A Model 3 doesn't have the range for a long weekend at the quaint rural B&B two hours away
Where are you getting that from? (also helpful: name the B&B and starting location)
Not in the US in the (at least) past 15 years.
How did gasoline manage to become non-carcinogenic (and neurotoxic, and a whole range of other toxicity effects) in the past 15 years?
In some very small town gas stations (where you wouldn't find an EV charging station anyway), but certainly not at 98% of gas stations in the US in the past 30 years.
Weather has ceased to exist in the US except in small towns? Or are you saying that US pumps connect themselves to your car on their own like a snake, as well as paying for you with EZ-pass?
Fine: you find a Motel 6 off the Interstate and check in for the night. Good luck charging your EV over night.
Lol. Which Motel 6? This one? How about this one? This one maybe? Or perhaps this one? Maybe you meant this one? Or this one? Nah, must have been this one.. No, wait, this one! No, this one! Last guess, this one? Wait, wait a second! How many guesses do I get?
EV charging is now very common at hotels. And even if a place doesn't officially offer it, 9 times out of 10, if you call and ask, you get a "yes".
Same with visiting distant friends/relatives: it would be grossly impolite to plug your car into someone else's power outlet.
Right. Let me get this straight. "Welcome to my home. Thanks for driving five hours to see me! Come on in! Have a bite to eat! Walk on this carpet that I just cleaned! Feel at home! But don't you DARE use 80 cents an hour of electricity, or I'll cut you! No, you have to go plug in at one of the numerous superchargers on the way and have to suffer through half an hour to 80% full while you eat lunch. Muahaha, I've foiled your evil EV-driving plans with my penny-pinching make-you-eat-lunch-during-a-road-trip plot!"
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Re: Electric cars going the way of 3D TV and RoR
A Model 3 doesn't have the range for a long weekend at the quaint rural B&B two hours away
Where are you getting that from? (also helpful: name the B&B and starting location)
Not in the US in the (at least) past 15 years.
How did gasoline manage to become non-carcinogenic (and neurotoxic, and a whole range of other toxicity effects) in the past 15 years?
In some very small town gas stations (where you wouldn't find an EV charging station anyway), but certainly not at 98% of gas stations in the US in the past 30 years.
Weather has ceased to exist in the US except in small towns? Or are you saying that US pumps connect themselves to your car on their own like a snake, as well as paying for you with EZ-pass?
Fine: you find a Motel 6 off the Interstate and check in for the night. Good luck charging your EV over night.
Lol. Which Motel 6? This one? How about this one? This one maybe? Or perhaps this one? Maybe you meant this one? Or this one? Nah, must have been this one.. No, wait, this one! No, this one! Last guess, this one? Wait, wait a second! How many guesses do I get?
EV charging is now very common at hotels. And even if a place doesn't officially offer it, 9 times out of 10, if you call and ask, you get a "yes".
Same with visiting distant friends/relatives: it would be grossly impolite to plug your car into someone else's power outlet.
Right. Let me get this straight. "Welcome to my home. Thanks for driving five hours to see me! Come on in! Have a bite to eat! Walk on this carpet that I just cleaned! Feel at home! But don't you DARE use 80 cents an hour of electricity, or I'll cut you! No, you have to go plug in at one of the numerous superchargers on the way and have to suffer through half an hour to 80% full while you eat lunch. Muahaha, I've foiled your evil EV-driving plans with my penny-pinching make-you-eat-lunch-during-a-road-trip plot!"
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Re:Reason is pretty simple
There are plenty of people who don't mind spending that kind of money on a car. BMW, Lexus, Mercedes, Audi, Ferrari, nicely equipped pickup trucks - millions of vehicles sell every year in that price range. There is plenty of money to be made in that market even without selling cheap cars. As for charging stations - plenty of those around: https://www.plugshare.com/
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Re:No infrastructure comparison
Still waiting on infrastructure. GM isn't investing, and CCS chargers generally seem to have much lower availability than Tesla charging stations. By the looks of that map I could drive from Toronto to Montreal hopping between superchargers; I can't do that with a Bolt and CCS, it's a complete dead zone between here and there.
Electric still seems kind of niche unless it's a second car or you never leave the city, in any case.
"Second car that never leaves the city" that's probably most second cars, and there's a lot of them.
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No infrastructure comparison
Still waiting on infrastructure. GM isn't investing, and CCS chargers generally seem to have much lower availability than Tesla charging stations. By the looks of that map I could drive from Toronto to Montreal hopping between superchargers; I can't do that with a Bolt and CCS, it's a complete dead zone between here and there.
Electric still seems kind of niche unless it's a second car or you never leave the city, in any case.
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Re:Driving yes, but charging?
I'm curious. What state do you live in? The pictures I hear people talking about electric vehicles does not seem to match what I see on a day to day basis around where I live.
Probably because EV chargers are less visible than gas stations. You can see public chargers here: http://www.plugshare.com/
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Re:Once again, hydrogen looks to be the future
The nice thing with my Tesla is I can charge virtually anywhere there's electricity. Granted, the superchargers take some time, but it's not a huge amount of time. Now, take the amount of time saved by charging every night. It takes only a few seconds to plug in and unplug vs the amount of time spent driving to one of a limited number of hydrogen refueling stations, waiting in line (if they're popular) and filling up. On top of that, the electricity is far cheaper than the hydrogen. Currently virtually all hydrogen is heavily subsidized since the actual price would not be cheap. Currently EVs are over twice as efficient compared to a hydrogen fuel cell car when once considers well to wheel. HFC vehicles aren't much better than hybrid vehicles when it comes to efficiency but they're still a lot more expensive to build. They have a very long way to go. Durability of the fuel cell stacks is currently about half that of a gasoline engine. A fuel cell stack as of the end of 2015 will need to be replaced at 75K miles. I did the math and the batteries in my Tesla will be good for at least double this. See this.
The 2016 Toyota Mirai, a subcompact, is only rated at 66MPG. A Prius is 58 city, 53 highway and costs less than half the price of the Mirai. BEVs are typically over 100 for a similarly sized car. For example, a 2013 Leaf is the equivalent of 115MPG, almost twice as efficient. My 3-year old Tesla, a much larger vehicle with a lot more passenger and storage room, is 89MPGe. The newer ones are even higher. The Model 3 should be considerably higher than that. Long term, I don't see HFC vehicles competing much against pure electric cars. The complexity alone means that they will always be more expensive, especially as the cost of batteries drops. The cost today of a Toyota Mirai is $58,335. This is for a car with 0-60 of 9.4 seconds and a top speed of 108MPH, not much better than a Prius. The Mirai will suffer the same problems as a Prius as well. The Mirai depends on a battery pack for acceleration and regenerative braking, just like a Prius. My last car was a Prius. It does poorly going up mountain grades and the Mirai will suffer the same problem. Unlike a Prius, the power output of the PEM stack will be considerably lower by 75K miles. A BEV car can put out considerably more power for a longer time since it isn't restricted to the limited output of the PEM stack. I've taken my Tesla up a number of steep mountain grades where my Prius would struggle without breaking a sweat. The Tesla Model 3 and other long range BEVs will cost considerably less than the Mirai. The Model 3 will also have considerably more room inside and storage space. The ONLY advantage the Mirai has is that it can be filled relatively quickly. In just about every other metric it falls short. Today I can take my Tesla most places in the country with the number of places I can't drive to without superchargers rapidly diminishing. By the time the model 3 rolls out the entire country will be pretty much covered. As it is, in California where most of them are sold, even out of the way places are getting covered. There's a charging station going in right near the entrance to Yosemite, for example and even highway 395 along the eastern Sierra Nevada mountains is covered.
Let's compare:
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Plugshare chargers
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Tesla Superchargers by the end of 2016 (click on 2016). This number should double by 2017.The closest hydrogen fueling station to my house is 15 miles away from my house. My EV charging station is in my garage. This covers over 90% of my driving needs. I pay $50/month for the electricity and drive around 1000 miles/month. According to this article, the Mirai
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Dozens available
I live near Cleveland. For a reasonable sized city, there are pathetically few. I see 7 stations within a 40 mile radius from me
Then you haven't examined it closely. There are dozens of public chargers within 40 miles of downtown Cleveland.
and every one of them is located at a car dealership
No they most assuredly are not all at car dealerships.
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Ohio has plenty of charging stations
Oh, waah, cry me a river. I live in Ohio, and the only place I have ever found to plug in my car is in my own garage, at my home. There ARE no public charging ports, anywhere.
There are hundreds of charging stations in Ohio. If you haven't found any it's because you haven't looked. Heck there are even 6 Telsa supercharger stations in Ohio.
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Re:The reason is more simple
Right now I'm writing this message from a Fourseasons resort in the Yellowstone Park. I drove here from Seattle on a Tesla (85D) without ANY issues with charging. As for West Virginia there are many charging stations there, see for yourself: http://www.plugshare.com/
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Re:Renting private chargers
They should let owners lend their private chargers for a fee, handled by Tesla. Something like Uber but for charging your car.
Well, there's PlugShare which pretty much does that, although I don't think people typically charge a fee; rather they do it pro bono on the assumption that when they need a recharge someone else will do the same for them.
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Re:Really?
http://www.plugshare.com/
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Re:Sharing Economy?
http://www.plugshare.com/ (Google is your friend)
http://www.chargepoint.com/
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Re:Change is coming for car dealers
between the two cities and the distance is too far for even the largest battery pack version of the Model S to cover.
Google maps says the distance between the two is 249 miles, which is less than the 265 miles of EPA range for the Model S 85 kWh vehicle.
Going to plug share, I'm seeing 7 public charging stations within a few blocks within Columbus. Assuming you stop for lunch to give yourself a 'top up', just park at 52 W Gay St, paying $.75/hour for parking and use the J1772 plug. You'll either get 7.7 kW or 19.2 kW. Even the 'low power' case works out to less than 10 cents/kWh and gives you another 27 miles of range. If it's a higher power outlet it would give you 68. It takes a 120kW+ supercharger to give you near-gasoline level 'fillups', all you need is a range boost.
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Re:Range anxiety isn't really rational
You're correct. I have never used a Tesla branded Supercharger.
There are, on top of the 500+ J1772 chargers, a smattering of "Type 3" CHAdeMO chargers in Phoenix, usable by Leafs and Teslas alike. They charge my battery from empty to full in 30-40 minutes. They offer the same sort of charging rate as the Supercharger(tm) chargers. They're strategically stationed at the edges of the city, for the most part. One's even located in Casa Grande -- not quite midway between Phoenix and Tucson, but enough to make that trip possible on a short time table.
If you look at PlugShare's map of Phoenix, you'll see plenty of Type-3 chargers (select only them from the Legend on the upper right), but most of them are at dealerships. You can almost certainly use them -- the dealers are happy to let you -- but they're not exactly located for convenient shopping and going about your day.
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Re:Do not stare at Fresnel with remaining eye
Arizona.
While discussing our Leaf with the family of some friends (in town for the holidays), I was shocked to learn that in their part of the world, there were exactly 10 chargers, of which 8 were located in the 8 nearby Nissan dealerships -- so deployment of public chargers is certainly regional. [They were from Alabama, for whatever that's worth.] Detroit appears to have a good collection of public chargers, but I don't know the area well enough to comment more than what http://plugshare.com/ tells me.
We've got 500+ chargers in Phoenix, and it's growing every day, but there's exactly one "real" charger in Flagstaff (150 north of Phoenix, at the Nissan dealer), and no real chargers in Kingman (on the way to Vegas). [There are, however, half a dozen 220 "dryer" plugs at all of the RV parks available for a fee in Kingman.]
If you're into this sort of thing, there's also a network of home chargers who share. Most your granola eating, tree hugging type, I suppose
:)Our leaf was just a car that made sense for the way we do some of our family driving.