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Whoa.

They must have updated it from only dropping Ron Paul votes.
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/january2008/010908_not_counted.htm

Yeap, Thomas Jefferson warned of corporate challenges to government: "I hope we shall crush ... in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country."

Great quote. Sucks I don't have mod points today. Can you source it for me?

Corporate Accountability Project. Thomas Jefferson: On Central Banking.

I also found these on where TJ denounces corporate power:
Thomas Jefferson: Against Corporate Power, Thomas Jefferson's Dream. Ask.com has more.

*Puts tinfoil hat on and sharpens spear*

From a program I saw on the telly last week, The Great Climate Swindle it isn't us that's the (root) cause. What they're not saying is either that the Earth isn't warming up, or that the extra CO2 isn't having some effect. So, certainly our CO2 habits aren't helping, but maybe it's a drop in the ocean next to what the real cause is. As I recall from the program they reckon it's the Sun going through some phase or other that's causing it, and that's why there's Global Warming on Mars too, where we can probably all agree that it really isn't us!

I really don't know either way, but it worries me that people are saying the investigation shouldn't continue and that I shouldn't be able to hear, or be involved in, a reasonable discussion.

Should we cut back on our CO2 producing? Yes
Is our CO2 producing the root cause of Global Warming? I don't know

And if the military is willing to try it out on news reporters (volunteers all), as they did in the breaking story, they're pretty confident.

Yes, sure.

Oh No! Zionist Propaganda on Slashdot?

Inform yourself first, get another perspective, here are some links for you:

http://www.sandersresearch.com/

http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/105200

http://crossfirewar.com/

http://www.voltairenet.org/en

http://www.intifada.com/

http://kavkazcenter.com/eng/

http://electronicintifada.net/new.shtml

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/index.html

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The USians are still vulnerable from events President William J. Clinton failed to mend. He didn't have a solution because he was distracted by Monica Lewinsky.
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For the perspective, consider Circular Reasoning, and all the evidence Democrats are the cause.

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/141003conspiracyof silence.html

Check this out! http://www.propagandamatrix.com/010304rfidtagsineu ros.html

"Visor": Now you're getting someplace. Yes, I read about this company. Here's the website: http://www.visorconsultants.com/index.html

My response: BIG DEAL. So ONE SECURITY company was running a disaster management drill for a London based COMPANY and this drill (conducted in a meeting room, no less) included what to do in a train bombing scenario. NOTE: there was nothing going on in a real rail stations, the government wasn't involved, not even all employees for this company - just crisis managers in a MEETING ROOM at the company.
http://www.boingboing.net/2005/07/10/london_bombin gs_coin.html

Now this guy (probably seeking publicity for his company) mentions this, and you blow it out if all proportion and go on like: 'Omigosh Omigosh... the EVIL government planned the bombing. Workers awake... blah blah blah'. With no evidence this drill helped the bombings (bit difficult to do from a meeting room) this is just plain lying. Does a the struggle of facts and wishful lies creates something beautiful in synthesis? No, it is just creates more lies. The truth is independent of how we wish it to be.

Perhaps this silly page influences you:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/0907 05bombingexercises.htm

It's the cat's whiskers in conspiracy theories. All the ones you mentioned, plus bonus groundless conspiracies, with this one taking the cake: "Israel being behind Hamas".

According to the foolish ideology these guys subscribe to, Jihadists can do no wrong - they're just foolish monkeys dancing to the tunes of Bush, etc. The breathtaking arrogance of those who presume that conscience is their prerogative. The rest of the human race is the same as you are!

The crazy stuff about "NORAD radar screens showed as many as 22 hijacked airliners at the same time." finds its echoes in what you are saying -- and the page shows it to just more crazy bullshit with no evidence. OK, lets see this page - a top ranked Googled site - has to offer:

The one solid information it links to about this mirrored page about ONE jet hitting ONE building:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/agency_planned_exercis e_on_sept_11_built_around_a_plane_crashing_into_a_ building.htm

Oh, but does it really hit a building? lets see...
"Agency chiefs came up with the scenario to test employees' ability to respond to a disaster, said spokesman Art Haubold. No actual plane was to be involved -- to simulate the damage from the crash, some stairwells and exits were to be closed off, forcing employees to find other ways to evacuate the building. "

BIG DEAL. 1 drill in 1 building - no planes involved, no radars involved, one building involved

NORAD was running two drills on Sep 11 according to this website:
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/051203atlanticcity fighters.html
One which was a week old and targeted Russians over the North pole. No info on second drill, but probably similar given tone of article.

BIG DEAL - this is just the military doing what it is supposed to do.

Suddenly, these two perfectly innocuous pieces of information change... they multiply, becomes darker, more sinister, ... EVIL! until it becomes a monster drill involving NORAD radar showing many, _many_ _hijacked_ planes. 22 planes - no less.

So where did this number 22 come from? No evidence.

You people are experts in deceiving yourself. Forget this wishful thinking of "too many coincidences" --- there are no serious coincid

• Explosions In London - Who Stands To Gain?
  
• Explosions In London - Highly Suspicious Circumstances
  
• Who Knew? The Fed Just Fronted Wall St BIG Money...
  
• London Blasts - Overthrow Of American Republic - Pt 76
  
• Netanyahu Warned In Advance - Israelis Knew
  

"This is simply unacceptable."

So-called independent, commercial media is not free of censorship

This is the same company that at one time hosted many Arab or Muslim web sites, including:

• Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR)
• Islamic Society of North America
• Islamic Association for Palestine
• Holy Land Foundation
• Al-Jazeera television channel
• Al-Sharq newspaper
• Al-Islam.com

And other sites too.

Just before September 11, 2001, the FBI confiscated the servers that hosted all those sites, causing them to go offline for days. This was covered on Slashdot at the time, finding the link is left as an exercise to the reader :-) Later, the servers were returned, but most of the above customers have already switched to other hosting firms to host their web sites. Al Jazeera was one of those.

Then, Ashcroft caused the Holy Land Fund assets to be frozen, claiming they are funding terrorism. A court battle wass underway to challenge that decision. Don't know what the status is right now.

Then the owners of Infocom (all of Palestinian origin, all Muslims) were personally charged for shipping computer parts to countries under embargo, so they are put out of business

This is the background that leads to, and keeps, the .iq TLD in limbo.

Here are some articles:

• From an article dated Sept 2001
• FBI denies raid was Anti-Arab
• An article at NewsFactor
• An article at BBC
• An article at IAP

How long?

Why should I waste my time disputing what you say?

You shouldn't. You should do some investigation of you own. The facts are the facts.

You haven't proved any of it. Your facts are occasionally wrong and definitely imcomplete and your insinuations are unprovable.

Which of these facts are wrong? Incomplete? Of course, you make no effort to prove your assertion.
What did I insinuate?

Did Bush f things up before 9/11? Yes.

Agreed.
You seem to be ignoring the fact that he and his administration systematically dismantled our investigations into terrorism, and specifically the terrorists who attacked on 9/11.

This link discusses
Bush's ambassador to Yemen's refusal to allow the head of the investigation into the USS Cole bombing back in to Yemen. The source is just the first I found in a search, so if you don't like it feel free to find your own. It is a fact, and it has been widely reported. Buried mostly, but reported nonetheless.

This link
reports that the FBI was ordered to "Back off" the Bin ladens and the Saudi royal family.

I don't suppose you remember who Coleen Rowley is? Ashcroft refused to allow a search of the laptop of the 20th terrorist.

Did everyone else? Yes.

As demonstrated above, not everyone else fucked up. Some people were doing quite well before they had their knees taken out.

Further, as I said, We were warned of the specific attacks in advance by the intelligence services of multiple countries. Perhaps this is what you were talking about when you called my facts incomplete? I forgot to mention that Russia and several other Arab countries warned us as well.

You're a contentious fool.
An ad hominem attack is the most base logical fallacy.

You have to prove the spirit of your attacks is true, or I'm not even going to be bothered responding.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. The facts are what they are.

"The time he wasted could have prevented the second WTC plane from hitting." Of course it could have.

So you agree that he could have prevented the second plane from hitting the second tower by taking the simple action of responding to the threat by doing his job rather than joking that That's some bad pilot (aside: My father is a pilot, so I have some slight understanding of how horrified the poor man's wife must have felt to hear Bush ridicule her murdered husband and joke at the deaths of all the innocent passengers and crew of the plane and those immediately killed in the building.)

He then continued to react to the single worst terrorist attack on US soil by going into a classroom and reading a book to a bunch of second graders.

You're a partisan hack to imply that his inaction is somehow his intentional irresponsibility.

Another ad hominem, this time with a red herring thrown in.
You clearly learned your debating skills from some extremist right wing agitator. Refute facts and arguments with hatred. That lesson so many on the right have learned so well has poisoned public discourse in this country. Thanks for helping to propogate it.

What the reasons for his inaction are are irrelevant to the point which you already admitted which was that he could have stopped all of the attacks after the first had he done his job.

Where the partisanship comes in with expecting the President of the United States to do his job rathe

There are some who think this has already happened ...

Alex Jones, a documentary film maker and owner of INFOWARS.COM has quite an archive of situations such as this in what he refers to as the rise of a military police state in America. The common theme that is relative to this article is the notion of being presumed guilty until proven innocent. Citizens are being treated like potential-terrorists, forced to show papers, and subjected to tyranny for resisting.

Coincidentally there is an excellent dashboard-cam video of a woman in Texas being abused in this very manner. She knew her rights and they arrested her for abstructing justice and assault on a police officer. A jury acquitted her of all charges.

He has published several films available for purchase, and he gives permission to distribute them at no cost, so you can find most of the films on the P2P networks. Police State 2000, Police State II: The Takeover, Police State III: Total Enslavement

Other relevant sites include PRISON PLANET and PROPAGANDA MATRIX. All of these sites have a raw Drudge Report kind of feel to it and are more of a collection of news stories gathered from around the globe that illustrate their concerns.

This is from The Hive. Check out LibertyThink also.

An open letter to Hillary Clinton

Greetings Senator,

Let me start by saying I hate you very, very much. I dispise your policies and your politics. That being said, I implore you to take my vote for the presidential canditacy of 2004.

To shake up the powers that be, I feel, is the only way we can truly seperate ourselves as not a democracy, but the constitutional republic that we happen to be, from the corporate global new world order that is most likely inevitable.

Sure, you will probably continue down the path of the PNAC agenda, and sure hundreds of thousands will probably die in the wake of cleaning up from the party(ies) of the fudamementalist extremists in Washington, those hiding in caves, and those who are just watching the numbers as our future is being gambled away, not unlike a horse race, where there is only the "old-school" trainers allowed to practice the 1/2 mile sprint.

I understand that your allegence is to the money-men and in order to achieve those goals you probably will pimp out our country to whatever the ghosts of Orwell tell you to to; that will make us safer from the evil, evil boogeyman called "_blank".

Even though those with any rational views of reality will tell you that the chances of a US citizen being killed by a "terrorist attack" on American soil is LESS likely than being struck by lightning, or slipping in our own bathtubs, or an automobile fatality, We as Americans are your sheep, and we apperently do as we are told.

We, as Americans, have grown to love war instead of peace, slavery instead of freedom, and ignorance instead of stregnth.

We have grown to accept that it really doesn't matter who gets elected next year, considering 1.) Diebold 2.) That all candidates have a close relationship to the CFR 3.) That the foreign policy of creating a "hornets nest of unrest" in the muslim world is a strategic advantage of perpetuation for any think tank that claims to act under the notion of National Security.

There are many of us that do understand what is going on, and feel more helpless when CIA printed document surface in "al-Qaeda" madresses, indoctrinating the youth to hate Jews and Americans, while these same "intelligence assets" help us win "jihads" in the Soviet Union and in the Balkans.

We understand that You have won. We understand that there will be no real change. We pretend to understand that bombing people will make them love us.

What we don't understand is why you let them win. Your husband did his share to arm al-Qaeda in Kosovo, just as the Bush regime set up Ansar al-Islam to act as "al-Qaeda instigators" in Iraq.

Just as Mohammed Atta worked for an "elite US/German government exchange program" and was trained by very suspicious "flight schools", and over 1/4 of the 9-11 hijackers were trained at secure US military facilities.

We know the score. The sheeple are staring to awake to the agenda of the Project for a New American Century.

This is the part of the play where you step up to the plate, make empty promises, take back this country, because then, and only then, will the American-hating neo-conservatives have something to complain about; how they would have made it all worse.

cheers - valis

Viva Le Revolution!!!!!

In the ongoing effort to keep public places clear of intoxicated citizens and drunk drivers, some police agencies are using a controversial tactic - going directly into bars and restaurants in order to make arrests.

Tavern owner Jimmy Cirrito says it was intimidating and unnecessary to have some ten officers show up in SWAT-like attire. He notes police seemed to be tagging people at random, despite their telling bar owners they had undercover agents inside, calling in to provide specific descriptions of certain individuals.

vice fuehrer cheney dodges GAO investigations regarding his energy task force

"WE ARE APT TO SHUT OUR EYES AGAINST A PAINFUL TRUTH...
FOR MY PART, I AM WILLING TO KNOW THE WHOLE TRUTH;
TO KNOW THE WORST; AND TO PROVIDE FOR IT."
-Patrick Henry

Nice try, AC fed troll, but too many people are seeing through your lies, obfuscations and coverups now. It's not going away. The clintonistas were crooks and liars, so are the current bushbots, and we know that you criminals cooperate with each other more than you let on in public, and have so for a long, long time.

Mena, Arkansas ring a bell for you?

Tell that to your boss. Now go look up "the nuremberg trials". "Just folloing orders" don't cut it as an excuse any longer, you just wish it would. And all the guys who have quit, because they see saw what was going on, and got themselves out because they couldn't stand being around pukes like you? Guess what? They still have all their skills and contacts. All of them. And there's something else, they value true honesty and true patriotism and take their constitution and oath seriously, and they can see through the normal BS they were fed for years and years from career politician officers, let alone from the CEOs masquerading as "government".

Inforwars, archive

Joe government is a liar and bungler and a crook. Everything these guys especially target and declare a "war" on just wastes money, gets corrupt, and doesn't fix any problems, and usually creates more problems. "War on poverty", "war on drugs". Well, we got as much poverty as we ever had, and the "war on some drugs" is a total failure, costs mega billions, put huge numbers of people in prison, and there's more drugs and corruption and crime then when nixon started it way back when. It's a scam. Mena arkansas ring a bell? Government planes, cash, tons of snow being imported by people getting a government check, plus the cash they make on the side??? Ollie north, george bush senior, bill clinton, iran/contra? Money laundering, BCCI bank, high level named fatcats involved? Ever hear of those things? And now they announce this open ended hundred years vague war on "terror". uh huh. By the way, latest figures, what a coincidence, since the US took over ashcanistan in round one of "war on terror" it went from a low of 80 something tons of opium when the taliban agreed to eliminate it, (estimated produced) to now it's at all time record levels, maybe up to 4,000 tons, with the US being "in control". No, I don't like the taliban, but the other is true, too. They agreed to eliminate it, and did, close to all of it.

Surprised hell out of some spooks and government and banking fatcats who were making truckloads of cash off of it. Losing 100 to 200 billion a year black market cash sure seemed to upset somebody.

Maybe this government got some of the people conned, but other people, it doesn't.

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