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You mean this one?

Thank goodness it wasn't a BIOS trojan.

You're kidding, right?

There's been a Win 32 installer for 2.4.0 RC2 available at the usual location for 10 days now...

np: Mike Shannon - The Last Days (Possible Conclusions To Stories That Never End)

I think its largely a matter of taste, but I for one wouldn't touch iTunes again with a 10' pole after using ml_iPod in Winamp. I've always been more partial to Winamp's Media Library interface, search features, playlist capabilities, and small resource usage so its only natural for me to prefer it to what I see as a bloated overly-polished (read slow-and-clunky) iTunes interface.

Goes without saying that I know my taste in this regard isn't suited to everybody, but its what I like and I'm sticking with it until something better comes along.

If you are a windows user, use winamp, it allows you to transfer files to your ipod (among other MP3 players) and you don't have to deal with apple's ball and chain. I've got wikipedia on my ipod: http://encyclopodia.sourceforge.net/en/index.html It makes it worth carrying around.

Any chance this is a Windows based system? ;P

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Mathematicians and programmers needed:
http://metascore.sourceforge.net/

You might interested in this if you use rTorrent to download your torrents.

Those sound like technical and/or mathematical problems. Why not join the startup Metascore project (just opened on sourceforge) and tell them this needs to be worked out. You could get in on the ground floor.

And for quite a while now I've been using tvrss.net's "Unique" feed -- which is the intersection of EZTV and VTV releases -- along with Azureus' RSSFeed Scanner plugin. Very convenient.

At the same time I also use Miro/Democracy for other vids (like the occasional NBC Nightly News), Liferea for text RSS, and another app + gtkpod for audio podcasts. Quite a mess of apps that I really should consolidate at some point.

FASA may be gone. FanPro may be gone. But BattleTech and Shadowrun live on.

All the primary developers for CBT and SR for the past 7-ish years are now at Catalyst Game Labs And, already, they've released around half a dozen new products in the last 4 months.

As Robotech Master pointed out, there's still MegaMek.

Heck, if you want a taste of old-school FASA Interactive, there's even an approved copy of the sub-rosa PC BattleTech that JUST became available (thanks to Virtual World and Microsoft).

If you're looking for fiction you have BattleCorps and, eventually, Holostreets.

That and the Classic BattleTech and Shadowrun communities have been alive and bustling for the better part of a decade now.

Actually, Wubi is a different concept than the Debian win32-loader, since Wubi uses a loopmounted filesystem (effectively creating a file on the Windows partition, and mounting it as a virtual drive to run Ubuntu). This means that you do not have to go through the partitioning process, but there is also a higher chance that your Wubi install will become corrupted (since it is a nested filesystem rather than a real partition).

The equivalent of the Debian win32-installer for Ubuntu and Fedora would be UNetbootin:

"UNetbootin allows for installation of Ubuntu, Fedora, or Debian to a real partition (so it's no different from a standard install), and uses a standard netboot installation, so internet access is needed. The main advantage is that it creates a standard ubuntu install without needing a CD. This is meant for people who want to install Ubuntu, Fedora, or Debian but don't have a CD-R to burn, lack a CD writer, or they want to install on a computer that doesn't have a CD-ROM drive, like an ultra-portable laptop.

UNetbootin uses a Windows or Linux-based installer to install a small modification to the bootloader (grldr and boot.ini for NT-based systems, grub.exe and config.sys for Win9x, or grub on Linux), uses the bootloader to boot the netboot initrd and kernel, then uses that to download and install Ubuntu directly from the internet, no CD required. After Ubuntu is installed, the modification to the bootloader is then undone."

I've tried both, and can recommend them as good solutions for different purposes. Wubi (and its sister project Lubi for Linux host systems) is a good way to evaluate Ubuntu if you want more than the LiveCD can offer, but do not want to partition your hard drive yet. On the other hand, the Debian win32-loader and UNetbootin are better if you already know what you are doing, and want a permanent GNU/Linux system.

Actually, Wubi is a different concept than the Debian win32-loader, since Wubi uses a loopmounted filesystem (effectively creating a file on the Windows partition, and mounting it as a virtual drive to run Ubuntu). This means that you do not have to go through the partitioning process, but there is also a higher chance that your Wubi install will become corrupted (since it is a nested filesystem rather than a real partition).

The equivalent of the Debian win32-installer for Ubuntu and Fedora would be UNetbootin:

"UNetbootin allows for installation of Ubuntu, Fedora, or Debian to a real partition (so it's no different from a standard install), and uses a standard netboot installation, so internet access is needed. The main advantage is that it creates a standard ubuntu install without needing a CD. This is meant for people who want to install Ubuntu, Fedora, or Debian but don't have a CD-R to burn, lack a CD writer, or they want to install on a computer that doesn't have a CD-ROM drive, like an ultra-portable laptop.

UNetbootin uses a Windows or Linux-based installer to install a small modification to the bootloader (grldr and boot.ini for NT-based systems, grub.exe and config.sys for Win9x, or grub on Linux), uses the bootloader to boot the netboot initrd and kernel, then uses that to download and install Ubuntu directly from the internet, no CD required. After Ubuntu is installed, the modification to the bootloader is then undone."

I've tried both, and can recommend them as good solutions for different purposes. Wubi (and its sister project Lubi for Linux host systems) is a good way to evaluate Ubuntu if you want more than the LiveCD can offer, but do not want to partition your hard drive yet. On the other hand, the Debian win32-loader and UNetbootin are better if you already know what you are doing, and want a permanent GNU/Linux system.

Someone has.

Here is one reason why BSD guys would rather see BSD code taken completely proprietary than see it go GPL: when the code goes completely proprietary there is still a chance that patches will be contributed back to the original BSD project.

Consider the "stupid tax". This is the "tax" you must pay if you take BSD code, change it, and keep the changes to yourself: every time the BSD project releases a new update, you will need to sync up your custom changes to the official project. The time and effort this requires is the "stupid tax" you are paying for being "stupid" (i.e. not contributing your changes back to the project).

The hope is that after a while, companies that have been paying the stupid tax will say "this is stupid" and contribute their changes to the main project. But with a GPL fork this just won't happen.

Any time the BSD project releases an update, someone will merge the changes in to the GPL fork. And if you contribute changes to the GPL fork, of course they are in every release and you don't need to do anything. So there is no real pressure on features added to the GPL project.

With no GPL fork, you must choose between sharing with the BSD project, or "paying the stupid tax". With a GPL fork, you have a way to avoid the stupid tax and share with others, yet deny the changes to the BSD project. (If you are doing proprietary things with the BSD project, you will not of course have this option.)

And of course, it must be maddening for the BSD project guys to see the patches going in to the GPL project and know that they can't use them. If the GPL project gets a new feature that's a good idea, they must re-code the feature, just because of an incompatible license. (That's why I licensed my lf utility under BSD; I'm hoping it will become a standard part of the userland in all *NIX someday, and the thought of the BSD guys having to re-do all my work just made me sad.)

steveha

This might be your problem. I've never had problems with DOS4GW on FreeDOS, but hey, apparently some do.

Whoops thats the old url.

http://hplip.sourceforge.net/ is the new drivers.

Probably not but feel free to admire their open source Linux drivers while you wait. :)
http://hpoj.sourceforge.net/

Yes they are made by HP and are fully featured including scanning and network support.

When there is a Bossy for a high quality popular OSS game it will be a sure sign that OSS has "arrived". Note, everything there is has most of its value on the IT side, closest thing to a Joe Sixpack ap I see is Azureus Vuze.

Disclaimer: Haven't read the entire article, just the summary and the category list on the linked awards site. Going to read more now.

there is something similar pubically availible

http://dban.sourceforge.net/

I hear ya! My distro of choice is Novell openSUSE 10.2, which is very easy to set up and use, though I had to remove zmd to get efficient updates with opensuse-updater (the upcoming 10.3 doesn't install zmd by default). IMHO, Novell openSUSE 10.2 is an order of magnitude easier to set up and use than Ubuntu, though the /. community in general has taken an anti-Novell stance due to its patent cross licensing agreement with Microsoft (which is funny, considering how /. loves Apple despite Apple's numerous patent and technology cross licensing agreements with Microsoft, but I digress).

I've been able to "convert" two people at work from Windows XP to openSUSE 10.2 based on its merits and ease of use. Ubuntu will hopefully get to a similar position from a technical perspective, but IMHO at this time, Novell openSUSE 10.2 is already there, and Novell has committed themselves to making SUSE Linux a world-class desktop operating system.

From your post, here is what openSUSE 10.2 and likely other distros can offer:

- Browser: Firefox, Konqueror, Mozilla Seamonkey, Opera, and IEs4Linux (I use IEs4Linux to access Outlook Web Access's calendar at work, since I use Thunderbird for my email. I'm looking forward to an Exchange plug-in for Mozilla Lighning)

- Email: Thunderbird (yay! I'm also writing a Salesforce.com extension for it called Thunderforce), Evolution (I actually despise it, though I also don't like Outlook's interface. To each, their own.. Don't bother with the Exchange connector; it's slow and crashes often), KMail, and others

- Quicken 2008 might be tricky. Quicken 2007 appears to work to an extent, but it might have issues, which is probably not good for an accounting package

- GnuCash is a possible replacement for Quicken, though it's more like QuickBooks than Quicken. For a personal finance look and feel, KMyMoney might be the better way to go, though some time might need to be invested in the conversion process. Converting from Quicken Mac 2004 to KMyMoney was not seamless for me, but I haven't gone back and fixed the errors in the import configuration that I used and tried again. If you do the GnuCash approach, then you can use my GnuCashToQIF program to export back to Quicken in case if you want to go back to it or if you need to export your data to an accountant, either as QIF or IIF. I have an old Mac at home that I'm moving away from, though I'm still using Quicken and iTunes on it

- Novell's version of OpenOffice includes extensive support for Excel macros, so it's worth trying out. It might address all of your Excel needs. As a nice bonus, OpenOffice uses a single-document interface (SDI) instead of a multiple-document interface (MDI), permitting you to have two or more separate top-level spreadsheet windows side-by-side or on different monitors. Excel is MDI, though it does create a top-level start menu button for each open document, essentially faking SDI, but it's really MDI. You could enlarge Excel to span multiple monitors and have your MDI windows not maximized, but that breaks down if you have one monitor portrait and the other one landscape. If you really, really need Excel, then it appears to be well supported by CrossOver Office

- Visual Studio 2005 is a tough one because MonoDevelop might not include all the features that you may be accustomed to. It does implement a lot, but it's probably not a drop-in replacement yet.

I hear ya! My distro of choice is Novell openSUSE 10.2, which is very easy to set up and use, though I had to remove zmd to get efficient updates with opensuse-updater (the upcoming 10.3 doesn't install zmd by default). IMHO, Novell openSUSE 10.2 is an order of magnitude easier to set up and use than Ubuntu, though the /. community in general has taken an anti-Novell stance due to its patent cross licensing agreement with Microsoft (which is funny, considering how /. loves Apple despite Apple's numerous patent and technology cross licensing agreements with Microsoft, but I digress).

I've been able to "convert" two people at work from Windows XP to openSUSE 10.2 based on its merits and ease of use. Ubuntu will hopefully get to a similar position from a technical perspective, but IMHO at this time, Novell openSUSE 10.2 is already there, and Novell has committed themselves to making SUSE Linux a world-class desktop operating system.

From your post, here is what openSUSE 10.2 and likely other distros can offer:

- Browser: Firefox, Konqueror, Mozilla Seamonkey, Opera, and IEs4Linux (I use IEs4Linux to access Outlook Web Access's calendar at work, since I use Thunderbird for my email. I'm looking forward to an Exchange plug-in for Mozilla Lighning)

- Email: Thunderbird (yay! I'm also writing a Salesforce.com extension for it called Thunderforce), Evolution (I actually despise it, though I also don't like Outlook's interface. To each, their own.. Don't bother with the Exchange connector; it's slow and crashes often), KMail, and others

- Quicken 2008 might be tricky. Quicken 2007 appears to work to an extent, but it might have issues, which is probably not good for an accounting package

- GnuCash is a possible replacement for Quicken, though it's more like QuickBooks than Quicken. For a personal finance look and feel, KMyMoney might be the better way to go, though some time might need to be invested in the conversion process. Converting from Quicken Mac 2004 to KMyMoney was not seamless for me, but I haven't gone back and fixed the errors in the import configuration that I used and tried again. If you do the GnuCash approach, then you can use my GnuCashToQIF program to export back to Quicken in case if you want to go back to it or if you need to export your data to an accountant, either as QIF or IIF. I have an old Mac at home that I'm moving away from, though I'm still using Quicken and iTunes on it

- Novell's version of OpenOffice includes extensive support for Excel macros, so it's worth trying out. It might address all of your Excel needs. As a nice bonus, OpenOffice uses a single-document interface (SDI) instead of a multiple-document interface (MDI), permitting you to have two or more separate top-level spreadsheet windows side-by-side or on different monitors. Excel is MDI, though it does create a top-level start menu button for each open document, essentially faking SDI, but it's really MDI. You could enlarge Excel to span multiple monitors and have your MDI windows not maximized, but that breaks down if you have one monitor portrait and the other one landscape. If you really, really need Excel, then it appears to be well supported by CrossOver Office

- Visual Studio 2005 is a tough one because MonoDevelop might not include all the features that you may be accustomed to. It does implement a lot, but it's probably not a drop-in replacement yet.

As far as generating PDFs goes, you could install PDF Creator, and just "print" your documents to PDF. Would probably provide better compatibility than creating Adobe 4.0 pdfs.

There are many great ways to enjoy astronomy. The easiest and cheapest is to get binoculars (50mm or more) and a star chart. In dark skies, you can see some really cool things with just those, and trying to find the constellations and nebula/globular clusters is fun and gives you a feeling of accomplishment. Check out Stellarium (free and open-source) or Starry Night to get a view of the sky and find some things to look at. You can also explore the sky now in Google Earth.

For just viewing, I'd recommend a Dobsonian telescope. They are the cheapest and lightest. The Orion Skyquests I linked to are great. It took me maybe 45-60 minutes to get it put together for the first time, and it's really easy to take around if you get the bag. You can carry the bag in one hand and the base in the other with the handle. The IntelliScope computer worked great, it only takes a couple minutes to get it going and have it point you to the right place in the sky. Basically you find a few bright objects that you know, point the telescope to center on them, and push a button on the controller. Then you type the identifier for something you want to see onto the controller and it gives you a reading of how far to move (around and up/down). You just move the telescope until both numbers reach 0 and the object is centered for you. Grab a wide-field lens to see faint objects like nebula, galaxies and globular clusters. narrow-field lenses make an object seem larger, but they actually make nebula and galaxies look dimmer.

However, Dobsonians are not good for astrophotography. They rely on you to move them, so there's no tracking. You'd be surprised how fast the sky moves across your field of view. At high magnification you can actually see Saturn moving across your field of view for instance. To get good photographs, you need to have longer exposures, which means your telescope needs to be able to move itself. For a good Schmidt-Cassegrain that can track itself you are looking at more like $2,000... Those are usually heavier as well, my 10" weighs about 80 lbs.

Whatever you do, realize that light-gathering ability goes up by the square of the mirror dimensions (roughly). So if you get a telescope with an 8" mirror, that is about 50 square inches of light-gathering ability. If you move up to a 10" mirror you get an area of 78.5 square inches. You could use a 19 second exposure instead of a 30 second exposure if you're doing astrophotography.

You may have already encountered this, but I thought this might be handy for you: http://odf-converter.sourceforge.net/. It's an open-source project sponsored by Microsoft that has two major parts: a plugin for Office 2007 that allows reading and writing of ODF files (and conversion between those formats and 2007's OOXML format) and a command-line converter suitable for batch jobs. The latter should run in Mono (the tool is written in C#), although I'd have to reboot to test it. Novell is also involved; they are producing a OO.o plugin to provide compatibility with OOXML files, but thus far I haven't seen it available for download.

...you too are talking out of your ass, while insisting others have their head shoved up their own. IRC, Skype and AIM are *all* capable of direct connections between users (and indeed at least in Skype, this is the default), with connection and routing through the central server only during the setup of the call. AIM: http://reaim.sourceforge.net/dcc.html Skype: http://saikat.guha.cc/pub/iptps06-skype/ IRC: http://www.livinginternet.com/r/ra_dcc.htm

Kind of offtopic, but, if you want pretty realistic physics in a space sim, try the I-War games. The second one is pretty free-from, especially after you add some mods. Vega Strike and some of it's derivatives also use a Newtonian flight model, but they are still somewhat work-in-progress.

http://www.i-war2.com/
http://vegastrike.sourceforge.net/

Why not indeed? In fact, we do. Where I work at Caplin Systems, my team is working on a streaming ajax trading platform, and we use mock based test driven development using mock4js, a mocking library for javascript written by a member of the team to support our work here, which has been open sourced. We do unit testing with JSUnit, and acceptance testing with Selenium. We do documentation with JSDoc. We use object oriented programming using standardized paradigms weve developed. We have automatic generation of basic UML from the live javascript code using a tool I wrote. We use Ant tasks to build, package and deploy our code. We use version control linked into our issue tracking software.

And thats just on the technical side, you can be assured that we are also following a best practices of software engineering method in the way we organize and plan our project as well.

So its hard for me to imagine what youre recommending we do that we dont already. It is difficult sometimes, compared to more traditional languages, such as java, as the tools support is already there. For us, we often have to improve the tools that exist, or write them ourselves, but its also fun being on the edge of something new.

-- adam

I am putting together a framework at http://methodsupport.com/program/About.html for generating process/method(ology) support websites.

The emphasis is on document (paper form equivalent) based processes automated quickly and easily.

At this stage it is pre-alpha, but I hope to get a minimum feature set in place soon and upgrade it to alpha.

The source is available from the Sourceforge page.

At this stage, I need any comments or advice that anybody can give me.

I am putting together a framework at http://methodsupport.com/program/About.html for generating process/method(ology) support websites.

The emphasis is on document (paper form equivalent) based processes automated quickly and easily.

At this stage it is pre-alpha, but I hope to get a minimum feature set in place soon and upgrade it to alpha.

The source is available from the Sourceforge page.

At this stage, I need any comments or advice that anybody can give me.

I learned Pascal at the university in 1980. It was my second language
after BASIC. For a lot of years I was a big fan of Pascal.

Missing features of Pascal (and other programming languages)
lead me to the idea of an extensible programming lanuage.
For my diploma thesis (and later the dissertation) I wrote a
preprocessor in Pascal which produced Pascal code as output.
The preprocessor should provide an implementation for my
extensible programming language MASTER. As it showed, Pascal
is not a good target language. The portability of Pascal programs
was also bad at that time. Because of this reasons the
implementation of Seed7 (which is a successor of MASTER) uses
C as implementation and target language. I still think that the
basic ideas of Pascal are great. This is clear when you look at
Seed7:
The statements are like in Pascal/Modula2, everything must be
declared and the Seed7 interpreter uses one pass to read the
program. The Seed7 compiler compiles to C which compiles to
native code. Other features try to extend the possibilitys like:
Declaring new operators, statements, templates, abstract data
types, object orientation, multiple dispatch, and so on.
If someone likes Pascal he would probably like Seed7 too.

Greetings Thomas Mertes

Seed7 Homepage: http://seed7.sourceforge.net/
Seed7 - The extensible programming language: User defined statements
and operators, abstract data types, templates without special
syntax, OO with interfaces and multiple dispatch.

It's slow as hell, doesn't do anything my local desktop doesn't do already, and the interface is horrible. Other than that it's fine.

The problem with web desktops is that these guys aren't asking the question, "What problem do people have that we can solve using Javascript?" They're asking, "How cool would it be if we could make a desktop on the web?!" It's a solution looking for a problem.

This sort of thing could be REALLY useful, but not by emulating desktops. I'm never in the position where I say, "Hey, I wish I could click on desktop icons remotely." Emulating vi or emacs in Javascript, however, kicks ass, because I *always* want vi keybindings in browser text areas, and making quick changes to web sites with a decent editor in Javascript would mean I could skip the "upload the changes via ftp" step that cheap web hosts make you go through.

I also don't know why the people who write these things can't implement a "window" with a border properly so that the border doesn't lag horribly behind the window content when you drag it. Use a div, and make it draggable. Put the content inside. Then make your empty window div a Javascript prototype so that Javascript applications can subclass it. Don't worry about shiny gradients until I can drag a window without it falling apart.

There is a plugin for Pidgin/GAIM called gaim-xfire
You need to get it from the snapshots page if you want Pidgin support.
http://gfire.sourceforge.net/snapshots/

look. Better read the story before commenting next time.

Worse - Windows hashes are MD4! That's all that's needed.

My laptop came with a Broadcom 4318 chipset. The support for it is flacky and it only seems to work properly using ndiswrapper. Some days ago I decided I was going to try to buy a USB wifi device that was compatible with Linux. If possible, its drivers had to be already part of the vanilla kernel. To my surprise, those devices exist! They are the ones that have the ZyDas zd1211(b) chipset (the "b" one is better). I thought it was going to be hard to find one of those specific devices, but no. They are present in a wide range of USB wifi devices. I went to the two main malls in my country they had one of those devices each. Piece of cake. Furthermore, a USB dongle can be used in future computers very easily, and don't take power unless they're plugged in.

http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/zd1211rw/devices

You only need the device, a vanilla kernel and firmware, which can be downloaded from SourceForge.net, and it's also probably available for your distribution as an official package.

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=129083&package_id=187875

You might like to give my Yet Another Rsync Backup Utility a try. It's very simple, but also very reliable as well.

No..

sourceforge REQUIRES you upload the source. This is a sourceforge requirement, and is independent of the gpl.

Just create a support ticket on sourceforge and in some weeks(in my expierience) that project is either closed or the source is put in the file release system.

Looks like three uses ever. https://sourceforge.net/project/stats/detail.php?g roup_id=165628&ugn=showmypcssh&type=cvs&mode=year If they don't reveal their source, should SourceForge be hosting them?

CVS http://showmypcssh.cvs.sourceforge.net/showmypcssh / is empty.

While lights at night may make the sky harder to see the effect will be very pretty for any visiting aliens.

In fact this story has inspired me to go and set up xplanet again to provide an ever-changing desktop background.

I use asmutils on my laptop with 8M ram. The cat binary is only 147 bytes and the shell is less than 5 kilobytes. Check it out at http://asm.sourceforge.net/asmutils.html

A library and a suite of utilities that are small (often minute), contain nothing more than is required to perform the task required and yet can collectively manipulate image data from and to just about any format, size, resolution, depth one may require, with a huge variety of programmable crops, overlays, subtractions and other manipulations. Just top notch!

http://netpbm.sourceforge.net/

• EditPlus Programming editor
• IrfanView Image viewer with effects and image manipulation capabilities
• Putty so I can SSH to my Gentoo from winblows
• Ability Spreadsheet as opposed to the spreadsheets in microsoft office, open office, and gnumeric
• Proxomitron Web-filtering proxy
• Flashpaste Copy/Paste on steroids
• WinRAR as opposed to winzip
• uTorrent as opposed to azureus and other java based boulder-weight crap
• mIRC IRC client
• DVD Shrink Rip/decode/encode DVDs, etc.
• Tail for Win32 Wish tail under linux was this good
• RealAlternative as opposed to realplayer
• Virtual Dimension Virtual desktops, as opposed to microsoft's power toys

• EditPlus Programming editor
• IrfanView Image viewer with effects and image manipulation capabilities
• Putty so I can SSH to my Gentoo from winblows
• Ability Spreadsheet as opposed to the spreadsheets in microsoft office, open office, and gnumeric
• Proxomitron Web-filtering proxy
• Flashpaste Copy/Paste on steroids
• WinRAR as opposed to winzip
• uTorrent as opposed to azureus and other java based boulder-weight crap
• mIRC IRC client
• DVD Shrink Rip/decode/encode DVDs, etc.
• Tail for Win32 Wish tail under linux was this good
• RealAlternative as opposed to realplayer
• Virtual Dimension Virtual desktops, as opposed to microsoft's power toys

Give slackware booting to runlevel 3, gnu screen, gnu coreutils, vim, lynx/links/w3m/elinks, lftp, rtorrent, and moosic a try. There are many others of course.

Give slackware booting to runlevel 3, gnu screen, gnu coreutils, vim, lynx/links/w3m/elinks, lftp, rtorrent, and moosic a try. There are many others of course.

Scite is another decent Scintilla based editor; one of many, but straight from the horse, as it were.

Also, XnView can be less irritating than Irfanview, depending on your mindset. On older systems, tracking down a copy of the now defunct Slowview is the way to go.

I prefer the GPLed Notepad++.
I used to use NP2, but at some point I got some wonky problems (can't even remember what they were, probably due to a generally unhappy installation of Windows), so I shifted and haven't looked back.

Morelike the GPLed Notepad++. Go on, you know you want to! :-)