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Glad to see some serious ripping of Chrome here.
It sucks and not just a little.

Like Microsoft, Google is trying to be all things to all people and this just makes for shit software.
Why the fuck do they need to use so much memory?

Try http://www.crazybrowser.com/
      as an example of the size a browser should be
      does not work for some pages so its the lesser of an evil for now anyway.

but seriously, Google is doing so much shit in the background that you need to give up most of your bandwidth to tracking and most of your memory for loading...so frustrating.

Does anyone else have a suggestion for a good light weight browser?

Maybe we need to create a 5k only Internet. No Flash allowed!
http://www.the5k.org/

http://www.the5k.org/

It seemed so long ago. Didn't /. have an entry as well?

Or maybe just head over to the5k or 10k Apart

http://www.the5k.org/ Does anyone remember this site? It was a contest back in 2000-2002 to create the coolest website with only 5KB. Looks like it had a spiritual successor too: http://10k.aneventapart.com/

Anyone know what happened to the 5k? used to live at http://the5k.org/

Check out some of the winners from the last 5k compo. Really cool stuff.

Four hours? Pah. I spent far longer than that optimising a Mandelbrot/Julia set applet for the 5k contest.

Hmm ... I think you should stop buying any FPS games. The 5K Wolfenstein should be more than enough for you.

So there's a lot of testing that google have to do, since they're breaking new ground.
I though Google fanboyism was already passe...

Could you tell me, what new ground exactly are they breaking here, besides writing a complex IE-only webmail application in Javascript? That's cool, but not as cool as a 5 kilobytes JS-based chess program or a first person shooter...

1Gb mailboxes - everybody offers huge (or even unlimited - my webmail provider does it now) mailboxes now. Kudos to Google for the idea, but it's not really something very difficult to do. Dynamic folders, filters and searches? Opera M2 was here first. Check out their latest 7.5 beta, it rocks! I have 250Mb of e-mail and it has instant searches and autofill for search terms. "Conversations"? I don't have a GMail account, but is it better than Active contacts and Active threads in Opera?

Not to mention the fact that many other webmail providers already have POP3/IMAP access, forwarding in both direction, encryption, WAP access and what not.

So what is so new about GMail? Except the fact that it's a webmail in javascript...

Seen this?

http://www.the5k.org/description.asp/entry_id=946

It's a winner of the 5K contest. A Wolfenstein in Javascript in just 5 kilobytes.. Now THAT is small ;)

The nice thing about this approach is that everyone can use a browser even if they don't have an internet connection and they can get visual feedback (remember TURTLE?). And for some non-trival javascript check out the5k.org.

WIth reversible computers we don't need a large hard drive. We can mostly likely manage with just 1Mb of memory (probably much less - 5Kb is enough for an online chess program). You need to store the current state of the board, some logic and recursion stack. Design a system to enumerate moves from the given position. Design a procedure to determine whether the position is winning for blacks or for whites. Now assume for the sake of simplicity that all games should be no longer than 1000 moves or so (if optimal strategies are longer, my method doesn't work).
The procedure works as follows. Make a move N1 by whites (or blacks). Now determine if this position is a win for whites (or blacks). If yes, well done, if not, try another move.

Now just call the procedure from the initial position.

The only thing that you need to store is the history of moves (If you reduce the total number of states by 10^149 (a very large reduction), you still have approximately 10^150 states.

Hey, quantum computers doesn't reduce number of states by a few percent (10% on your case), it reduces them by orders of magnitude.

You might be thinking about The 5K a competition to do as much functionality as you can into 5 Kilobytes worth of HTML and Script. Some interesting, creative stuff in there, and a nice lesson in obfustication.

Although I believe there is a "most obfusticated" C competition out there, too.

The 5k competition you mention is, uh, the the 5k. A few months ago, the organizers turned over the reigns to a Yahoo group.

hmmmm
512kb should be enough for everybody...
...well at least it should be enough for 100 the5k.org entries.
Nice!

But you can fit pr0n in 5K: PixxxelChix - A 5K Porn Site

The book's gotten mixed reviews and not just from people who were the targets. But I'd say the value in F'd Company is the website: if you can get beyond the "I'm the first post you {racial/sexist epithet}XXXX{/racial/sexist epithet} and here's my XXX website" posts, there are some posts that have (apparently) real gossip on these companies. He also links to Internal Memos quite often. Fun to read how other people are getting screwed: there's one there called, kinda recursively, Salacious gossip and internal confidential information posted on a tacky website .

Hey, the guy's gonna try to make cash however he can, and there's a finite amount in internet ad revenue and amateur pr0n.

I checked out the 5k site. Most of the entries were Flash, not that impressive. But the 5k Wolfenstein (will only work in IE on Win, yadda yadda) game you mentioned... (h,j,k,n to move, space to shoot).

Yikes! It's a small fps entirely done in JavaScript(!), including multiple independantly moving foes, and the ability to shoot them. And in less than 5 kB! I spent an hour or so reverse-engineering the program.

As far as I can tell, it works by generating the (1 bitplane BW) graphics into an array p, then creating a JavaScript source code string that contains a definition of the image (im="... static char t_bits[]={(things based on p)}"), then inserting that back into the page with document.images[0].src="javascript:count;im;", where im is the name of the variable containg the above-mentioned string...

Do check out the source code! This is heavy !!

PS. I played it a little bit more. Oh no, the thing even has scoring, multiple levels with increasing numbers of foes... (/me looks suprisedly at his once rampant, now wilting ego.)

PPS. Oh, and Window Pong (keypad numlocked 8+2) was good for a laugh, and seems more compatible.

I checked out the 5k site. Most of the entries were Flash, not that impressive. But the 5k Wolfenstein (will only work in IE on Win, yadda yadda) game you mentioned... (h,j,k,n to move, space to shoot).

Yikes! It's a small fps entirely done in JavaScript(!), including multiple independantly moving foes, and the ability to shoot them. And in less than 5 kB! I spent an hour or so reverse-engineering the program.

As far as I can tell, it works by generating the (1 bitplane BW) graphics into an array p, then creating a JavaScript source code string that contains a definition of the image (im="... static char t_bits[]={(things based on p)}"), then inserting that back into the page with document.images[0].src="javascript:count;im;", where im is the name of the variable containg the above-mentioned string...

Do check out the source code! This is heavy !!

PS. I played it a little bit more. Oh no, the thing even has scoring, multiple levels with increasing numbers of foes... (/me looks suprisedly at his once rampant, now wilting ego.)

PPS. Oh, and Window Pong (keypad numlocked 8+2) was good for a laugh, and seems more compatible.

Lots of "barrier pushing" code can be found in obfuscation contests. Check out the Obfuscated C contest or the Obfuscated Perl contest. For similar feats on the web, check out The 5k (which recently featured a lightweight chess entry).

Have you seen The 5k? My all-time favorite entries are:

1. hungry little frog
2. The Days (IE-only, I think)

Have you seen The 5k? My all-time favorite entries are:

1. hungry little frog
2. The Days (IE-only, I think)

Have you seen The 5k? My all-time favorite entries are:

1. hungry little frog
2. The Days (IE-only, I think)

Take a look at the 5K contest this year. The rules were relaxed a bit this time around, and in my totally random browsing of the entries I found that at least half of them do not work in my trusty Mozilla sans java, flash, etc. Disgusting, what used to be a contest to showcase novel design has become a wasteland of cheesy javascript and flash.
Sadly, the 256b contest seems to be going the same route. Check the first 5 entries, they are all IE only or require javascript.
Web designers are sucking more and more latley. Learn proper CSS and stop designing broken pages.

Found this via the demos on the Mozilla 1.0 start page. Enjoy.

extremely low-res women

Look no further than the winner of this year's 5k contest: PixxxelChix. (The 5k contest is "make something cool using five kilobytes of web space".)

Until the pics get better than this then the fave portable pr0n format is still going to be jazz mags.

It doesn't work with Netscape 4, but if you're interested in seeing a chess playing program in 5k of ECMAscript, take a look at this entry to this years 5K website competition (there are some other stunningly creative sites on there, as well).

The main problem I have with maintaining memberships on multiple sites is not that I have to enter my personal information each time I sign up for a site, but that I have to remeber zillions of passwords. One of the entries in this year's 5K contest, PassPal, tries to solve this problem by giving you a new password for each site based on an MD4 hash of your SSN, your birthday month, a master password, and the name of the site you need a password for. Does that approach work -- is it secure? Should something like PassPal be built into web browsers?

The main problem I have with maintaining memberships on multiple sites is not that I have to enter my personal information each time I sign up for a site, but that I have to remeber zillions of passwords. One of the entries in this year's 5K contest, PassPal, tries to solve this problem by giving you a new password for each site based on an MD4 hash of your SSN, your birthday month, a master password, and the name of the site you need a password for. Does that approach work -- is it secure? Should something like PassPal be built into web browsers?

This link works better. Gotta remember that shift button.

Microsoft OLE DB Provider for SQL Server error '80004005'

Unknown token received from SQL Server

/shared/functions.asp, line 666

I dunno if anyone else is having the same problem with the5k.org stuff, but I get an ASP issue....so...here is another link..it may or may not work. :) link If that doesn't work, just go to the5k.org and click on the 2001 winners circle. Trust me, it loads fast. :)

I dunno if anyone else is having the same problem with the5k.org stuff, but I get an ASP issue....so...here is another link..it may or may not work. :) link If that doesn't work, just go to the5k.org and click on the 2001 winners circle. Trust me, it loads fast. :)

some examples of code as art include :

Obfuscated C Contest

Obfuscated Perl contest

5K contest

all of these contests are essentially defining code (in C, Perl, or HTML) as art - and art is speech.

Heh..it seems pr0n invades ALL aspects of the Internet -- even the 5K contest.

Check out the Pixxxel Chix. Hilarious! Just think of what "video strip poker" whould look like on the Atari 2600 and you'll get the idea--it's a great spoof of the typical smut site and quite impressive for 5K!

(btw, if it asks for a password type pixel)

http://entries.the5k.org/352/index.htm

By far the niftiest entry of the bunch.

Please give me a high score ;-)

Truly fabuluous...

As a participant of last year's 5K contest, I just want to say thanks to Stewart for making this more than just a one-shot wonder. By the entries I've seen so far, the first 5K served as the thrown-down gauntlet, and it's great to see so many people take up the challenge, and doing such an admirable job.

It's also wonderful to see the5k.org doing so well. The whole site was made quite a while after the 5k contest ended, and a lot of people would have been loath to put in the effort.

Thanks Stewart!!!

Kevin Fox
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It's like those contests they have where you have to do a web page in 5k or I know there's a contest to do 3d in like 5k as well as size and other restrictions in the C obfuscation contest.

By putting limitations and creating rules, you remove the option to make lazy compromises or simply copy previous artistic works. Again, it's totally voluntary for the sake of experimentation and personal development. So to say "well we wouldn't have quake" is kinda missing the point.

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www.the5k.org has a great contest for writing a web page/site under 5k (html, javascripts, images included, no server scripting). As much as I dislike javascript there are some pretty impressive entres in the contest. It won't be pretty - as in the code will not be commented, and white space is stripped out - but those brave enough to go figure out the obfuscation will certainly find some of it quite "beautiful".