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Re:I hope they just let him go
About the only way out would be to present evidence of kidnapping or being forced to skip bail by others by threats or duress
I strongly suspect the primary reason is due to behind held in prison (on remand or otherwise) and the prison services failing to meet their obligations to bring you to court.
https://www.thebureauinvestiga...
Although you do get some comical excuses, such as "I'm worried about you prosecuting me" - https://courtnewsuk.co.uk/poli...
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Re:IMHO
There is a civilian volunteer website that records this data with fairly strict methodology. What can be said is that Obama vastly expanded drone strikes in Pakistan, but it seems that the drone strikes in other regions (mostly Afghanistan, some in Yemen and Somalia) remained more constant. The data is from civilian sources, every datum is confirmed by at least two independent news media. The data is expressed with lower and upper boundaries on the basis of the reports. (It's very common for reports in news media to first report much lower casualties at the early hours of reporting, since many casualties are only known later.) Here is some typical data without alleged combatants killed:
2017 Afghanistan
civilians killed 13-149
children killed: 2-27
reported injuries: 147-2952016 Afghanistan
civilians killed: 65-105
children killed: 3-7
reported injuries: 196-2432015 Afghanistan
civilians killed: 60-77
children killed: 3-16
reported injuries: 142-147If you take a closer look at the website and datasets you'll find that Obama expanded the drone program and the number of killed civilians, including children, certainly didn't decrease during his time. Overall it seems to me that not to much can be read off from the concrete numbers, though, since there is a lot of randomness involved. Maybe a statistician can take a look at the data sets and tell us more. Anyway, take a look yourself. Conclusion: Whatever you think about US party politics, Obama is definitely not worthy of the Nobel Peace price. I'd personally rather award him the nobel piece of shit price (and also award this price to Trump, for other reasons).
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Re:Only a fraction of US munitions...Also it's a pittance compared to Rumsfeld+Cheney's effort: Number of people killed by Obama's drone strikes: Less then 1000
Number of people killed by Rumsfeld+Cheney's war in iraq over a 110000. A difference of 2 orders of magnitude.
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Re:Sadism.
Talk to professional interrogators, or the people that have actually studied the subject. According to them, torture is worse than worthless because the 'intelligence' you gather is far more likely to be false than anything else.
Not quite. If you want to get to the truth of what happened, then torture is worthless. However, if you want someone to say a specific thing regardless of what the truth is (eg: admit to a crime), torture can be very effective.
For example, the CIA was feeling pressure to prove their methods were effective. So their main goal whenever they tortured someone at their black sites was to get them to give up names of others who they could kidnap and torture. They became sort of the Amway of torture. The victim would eventually start giving names of anyone plausibly Muslim they may have rattling around in their head, and then the next round of renditions would begin. The CIA could then throw up all the numbers of names and leads they were getting as proof that their methods were working.
You will to this day hear Bush Admin. officials cite these numbers to defend their torture program.
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Re: Obvious deflection.
So now it's not the people killing the innocent people who are responsible!!!!!!!!!
What a stupid argument.
Out of Sight, Out of Mind: A visualization of drone strikes in Pakistan since 2004
At what point did you supply 'authoritative numbers'?
Hypocrite.
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Re:To all you Obama supporters
Isn't DMS the most significant message of the Obama administration along with what collateral damage, there was no collateral damage, we intended every to be a recipient of the DMS message. DMS being of course https://www.thebureauinvestiga.... It seems that the very first DMS sent by Obama three days into his control, created the first nine non-collateral damage victims and the numbers of victims only grew from there, along with the number of terrorists needed to be targeted by DMS messages. So no BFYTW from Obama, just a random DMS based upon, usually very inaccurate bulk collection of data.
Now why is Obama coming off like a puppet in these discussion and exactly how much dirt does the NSA and CIA have on him, to keep him so tightly on the leash from day one or is that day three.
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Re:This is great news!
Internet searching is really not that difficult. I have yet to hear the death tolls from the current campaign (Syria/ISIL/ISIS), and other numbers are simply non-existent. Such as how many died in Libya to US bombs, incidental deaths from remaining DU and starvation/exposure due to US intervention in foreign aide, etc...
That said, I probably should have separated the generalization into two categories. One for deaths of enemy military troops, the other for deaths to everyone else and theaters of operations. At a certain point, details are not worth delving into.
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The "City of London" - A Lawless Square MileThat is certainly rich. The "City of London" is a lawless square mile in the center of London that is not subject to the laws of England. It is the center of all the tax evasion secrecy jurisdictions around the world. If you think of the rampant and lawless tax evasion that goes on in places such as the Cayman Islands, Bermuda, the British Virgin Islands, the Channel Islands of Guernsey, Isle of Man and Jersey, they are all directed from this cesspool of lawless behavior known as the City of London.
For context I direct you to the magnificent book by Nicholas Shaxton called Treasure Islands: Uncovering the Damage of Offshore Banking and Tax Havens . But don't stop there. Further evidence of the vile and lawless damage the City of London does to the world: -
Re:More than just metadata
Drone strikes have been in use for more than a decade. In that time, according to the article, 2400 people have been killed including 273 civilians. So exactly how is it that they are kill happy?
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Re:at what point do illegal, secret acts of war
War crimes have long since become an integral part of the repertoire of the so-called "free world". You just didn't get the memo.
http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2013/08/01/bureau-investigation-finds-fresh-evidence-of-cia-drone-strikes-on-rescuers/ -
Re:It's started...
If you want to talk about innocents being killed, the current guy is much worse. That, and he himself made the argument that he has the right to hit Americans with drone strikes without due process. Personally I'm happy with the one time that this has been done because that asshole had it coming, but it still sets a bad precedent.
Emphasis AddedMore than 92,000 civilian deaths in Iraq via armed conflict from 2003-2008
4000 deaths by drone strike since 2004
Please! Get some facts straight there friend.
Blowing my mod points on this thread as you clearly need correcting.
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Re:Busted: Hiding behind civilians doesn't stop th
From Drone attacks in Pakistan: Statistics
As of January 2013, the Bureau of Investigative Journalism estimates the following cumulative statistics about US drone strikes:[2][17]
Total strikes: 362
Total reported killed: 2,629 – 3,461
Civilians reported killed: 475 – 891
Children reported killed: 176
Total reported injured: 1,267 – 1,431
Strikes under the Bush Administration: 52
Strikes under the Obama Administration: 310[2] Obama 2012 Pakistan Strikes Bureau of Investigative Journalism. Retrieved 29 January 2013.
[17] Woods, Chris; Lamb, Christina (4 February 2012). "Obama terror drones: CIA tactics in Pakistan include targeting rescuers and funerals". Bureau of Investigative Journalism. Retrieved 7 February 2012. -
Re:Busted: Hiding behind civilians doesn't stop th
From Drone attacks in Pakistan: Statistics
As of January 2013, the Bureau of Investigative Journalism estimates the following cumulative statistics about US drone strikes:[2][17]
Total strikes: 362
Total reported killed: 2,629 – 3,461
Civilians reported killed: 475 – 891
Children reported killed: 176
Total reported injured: 1,267 – 1,431
Strikes under the Bush Administration: 52
Strikes under the Obama Administration: 310[2] Obama 2012 Pakistan Strikes Bureau of Investigative Journalism. Retrieved 29 January 2013.
[17] Woods, Chris; Lamb, Christina (4 February 2012). "Obama terror drones: CIA tactics in Pakistan include targeting rescuers and funerals". Bureau of Investigative Journalism. Retrieved 7 February 2012. -
Re:put up or shutup time
You forgot to add some perspective
http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2012/01/11/obama-2012-strikes/
"The CIA’s drones carried out the lowest number of strikes – 47 – since Barack Obama came to power. Reported civilian deaths also fell steeply."
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Re:Same tired argument from government bureaucrats
Sure is easy to always hit the terrorists when "militant" is defined as a non-infant male killed by drone.
http://voices.yahoo.com/report-obama-redefines-militant-avoid-counting-11403806.html
Any other bullshit you want to shovel asshole? You have blood on your hands by virtue of your blind suckage of the lies. That makes you an accessory to evil and as such, you deserve loathing just as the people pulling the trigger on "dogs" (the childlike two legged variety) in drone attacks deserve.
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Re:No.
And if the app were go abroad and ever passed on information to foreigners which was under government quarantine that would be espionage. They would need to be insane to provide that app outside the United States under almost any circumstance.
Seriously? The application that was banned was relaying information from the U.K.'s Bureau of Investigative Journalism. The source data is ALREADY coming from outside the United States.
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Re:Exactly
Obama has launched twice as many drone strikes in 3 years as Bush launched in 8!
Bzzzt.
Bush: 52
Obama: 291That's 5.6x Bush's score in half the time.
http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/category/projects/drones/
That means he's killed twice as many terrorists.
That's pretty easy when you define "militant" to mean any male of military age irrespective of the beliefs, actions, or record. Essentially, all you have to be to be counted as a terrorist is be a non-infant male, but it sure sounds better in the headlines to say "militant" than "random innocent male kid".
http://www.salon.com/2012/05/29/militants_media_propaganda/
On the downside, he's killed twice as many innocent bystanders.
This is especially easy to do when one employs the classic terrorist tactic of a second bomb going off to get the rescuers or gangland notions that shooting up a funeral is a moral thing to do.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/20/us-drones-strikes-target-rescuers-pakistan
But hey -- he passed the Lilly Leadbetter Act! O-ba-ma!
(How's that lesser evil workin' out for ya?)
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O'Reilly wished a Drone would kill Julian Assange
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRMV7zi4h_k
But maybe US vice-president Joe Biden would agree about the founder of Wikileaks?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/19/assange-high-tech-terrorist-biden
"Asked if he saw Assange as closer to a hi-tech terrorist than the whistleblower who released the Pentagon papers in the 1970s, which disclosed the lie on which US involvement in Vietnam was based, Biden replied: "I would argue it is closer to being a hi-tech terrorist than the Pentagon papers. But, look, this guy has done things that have damaged and put in jeopardy the lives and occupations of people in other parts of the world."See my other posts citing Chomsky on the double-think and double-standard in defining a "terrorist", which basically comes down to a terorist being defined as anyone whom somebody influential in the USA government does not like. And that apparently includes US citizens:
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/07/drone-attacks-lawsuit/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/18/families-us-citizens-killed-in-yemen-drone-strikes-file-lawsuit/
"The wrongful death lawsuit, filed Wednesday, claims that the killings of U.S. citizens al-Awlaki, his 16-year-old son Abdulrahman al-Awlaki and operative Samir Khan were unconstitutional. Khan was the publisher of the terror magazine Inspire. ... The lawsuit says: "The U.S. practice of 'targeted killing' has resulted in the deaths of thousands of people, including many hundreds of civilian bystanders. While some targeted killings have been carried out in the context of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, many have taken place outside the context of armed conflict, in countries including Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan, Sudan, and the Philippines." "These killings rely on vague legal standards, a closed executive process, and evidence never presented to the courts. ... The killings violated fundamental rights afforded to all U.S. citizens, including the right not to be deprived of life without due process of law," the lawsuit says."And see also:
http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2012/05/29/analysis-how-obama-changed-definition-of-civilian-in-secret-drone-wars/
"As the Bureau's own data on Pakistan makes clear, the very first covert drone strikes of the Obama presidency, just three days after he took office, resulted in civilian deaths in Pakistan. As many as 19 civilians â" including four children â" died in two error-filled attacks. Until now it had been thought that Obama was initially unaware of the civilian deaths. Bob Woodward has reported that the president was only told by CIA chief Michael Hayden that the strikes had missed their High Value Target but had killed 'five al Qaeda militants.' Now Newsweek correspondent Daniel Klaidman reveals that Obama knew about the civilian deaths within hours. He reports an anonymous participant at a subsequent meeting with the President: 'You could tell from his body language that he was not a happy man.' Obama is described aggressively questioning the tactics used. Until now it had been thought that President Obama was initially unaware of the civilian deaths. Yet despite the errors, the president ultimately chose to keep in place the CIA's controversial policy of using 'signature strikes' against unknown militants. That tactic has just been extended to Yemen. On another notorious occasion, the article reveals that US officials were aware at the earliest stage that civilians -- including 'dozens of women and children' -- had died in Obama's first ordered strike -
Robots dont complain...
Robots don't complain, require psychiatric counselling or go running to the press when you order them to kill whole wedding parties children and all, funerals, villages, or anything that moves really...
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Robots dont complain...
Robots don't complain, require psychiatric counselling or go running to the press when you order them to kill whole wedding parties children and all, funerals, villages, or anything that moves really...
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Re:A second just Justice.... Please
The drone killings were bad when Bush did it. Obama has simply gone to the next level. Bush didn't kill Americans. Bush averaged 6.5 drone attacks per year. Obama is managing to get one in every four DAYS. With respect to drone attacks, the astounding fact of the matter is that Obama is 14x more evil than Bush, and considering what an evil SOB Bush was, that's amazing.
http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2012/02/04/get-the-data-obamas-terror-drones/