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Maybe your right, but doing nothing and having no free alternative such as GNU Linux BSD etc leaves us powerless to the whims of large greedy corporations.
Look at DVD's for example. The supposedly free market decided to have region locking and content scabling, causing articfical scarcity (allows them to charge more) and grossly resticts fair use (but is useless to prevent industrial bootleggers who can copy bit for bit). The market will not do what is best for the customer.
These companies (cartels consortium and other variations on monopolies) have profit as their primary motivation, and so long as consumers neglect to excercise their buying power to force them to act other wise and voters are apathetic enough to let their politicians away without doing something about it, corporations will continue to do whatever they think they can get away with to make profit. companies have too much power and not enough responsibility

It is important not to cheapen the stuggle for freedom of the peoples of Tibet and East Timor, but it is also important that we continue and maintain our stuggle for freedom. Yes this may seem out of all scale and proportion but this is slashdot. Now would be a good time to remind you all of the hungersite.
http://www.thehungersite.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Hu ngerSite
(if anyone has a list of similar sites i would appreciate you posting them).

All it takes for Evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.

Software is just software people
Software is not just software, not just a mere tool, it is a vital part of what keeps our techonological society running the way it is. It can be an act of expression, even an art form. Just because its primary use is as a funtional tool do not deny its importance or fail to recognise how much of our way of life is influenced by it. Dont berate the geeks for failing to see the bigger picture and then fail to see how software fits into the bigger picture

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Try looking at it this way:

"Fire" looks to be an amazing advance over huddling in drafty caves and eating raw meat. Yes, some uses of fire will not work, and others may be evil. But, we will learn from our mistakes.

The problem here is that this is a technology that has the potential to burn beyond recognition if care is not taken.. It's one thing to misuse it at first and then learn from your mistakes, but dead people don't learn much..

Compare this to flint tools. Yes, sometimes we cut ourselves with them, sometimes people died from infections or bleeding from those cuts, and sometimes people died when we used them to fight. But, we learned how to handle flint tools, and absent some warmonger running around killing people, we don't have to worry about them, much.

Umm.. and how many people suffered and died so that we could get to this point? Trial and error is easy to excuse when you don't have to deal with the errors..

To put things a little less lightly, we don't really have any other option besides stagnation and forgoing future benefits because of the possibility of future problems. It's impossible to take a technology in its infancy and try to predict what can or will be done with it. Von Nueman or Babbage certainly couldn't have predicted the World Wide Web, much less things like wireless web browsing by palmtops, the EFF, The Hunger Site, popup ads, or MAKE MONEY FAST spam. With genetic engineering, we can make some prediction and identify some possible problems or benefits, but we're just as clueless as to what we'll really do.

So what's up with the Mankitian MS? Is it not good enough?

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Help the Unfortuante please.

Very good point. According to the Hunger Site FAQ it costs about $350 to buy and transport one metric ton of food. Even if you assume you can set up a computer for $1000, that's 2.8 tons of food. Besides, what good is a computer when the _vast_ majority of your population is illiterate?

I've been unable to reach The Hunger Site today until just a few minutes ago. Were they among the victims?

Nobody's mentioned this yet that I've seen, but I've been unable to get through to The Hunger Site today. Are they being hit too?

the guy must be pretty well off. first he pays the domain fee, then he turns down the thank you check, and now he is matching up to $2500 (yes, he raised it).

and it looks like the charity is going to be Nashville's Table, a food for the homeless foundation.

personally, i would've just kept the check, and framed it for my enjoyment in the years to come.

and in case anyone is in the charitible mood, go here.

Sure they do. But that's no reason not to help the penguins.

Do you have any specific suggestions for helping people, or were you just having a whinge?

The Hunger Site is a good one for lazy geeks.

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Actually, bits of the labour protests were more about worker's rights WORLDWIDE. Setting up labour laws that take effect -internationally-. Child labour and keeping kids out of sweatshops, improving the working conditions for labourers(no more locked factory doors, fire hazards, etc), setting up a wage control to provide adequate compensation to labourers, and so on.

Allowing poorer countries to develop their economies is a good thing, yes. But at the expense of the wellbeing of the people living there? I don't know about that. They'll either be dirt-poor not working in those factories, and unable to eat, or working 15 hour shifts on production line jobs that they cannot leave from(locked doors in factories during shifts, it happens too frequently), no chance of a raise in your wage whatsoever. Sure, you may be able to eat, but it's gonna be hell to get that 10 cents a day. Meanwhile the company you're producing for is exporting the goods to america and selling them for $30, $40, $50, $100+, making sure to run the products through their 'Made In America' tag-factory before they hit the sales floor. You may assume that your expensive designer jeans were then made by a Union worker making at least minimum wage, and probably a good bit higher - In fact, the labour costs for that pair of pants are mere cents, because they're made in foreign sweatshops. Count in distribution, and what's left over is pure profit. While those people who REALLY made the goods may not be hungry, do they have a LIFE? Do they have a chance for personal development whatsoever? Do you think that if they could ever save enough money to buy a COMPUTER that they'd have the time to use it, or even the electricity to power it? How about the single mothers working in those plants, with small children/babies who they need to take care of, yet they have to be at the factory for 15 hours a day? No, she can't afford any baby formula. But she's probably making it all day, to be shipped to america. She sees so little of the profit made that it's a negligible amount.

Sure, the US Unions protesting are more upset that their jobs are being taken elsewhere, at a fraction of the cost, and they can't hope to compete with that. Because THEY DON'T WANT TO WORK FOR PENNIES A DAY. I can't say I blame them. They're tired of their livelihoods being taken from them, production plants shut down and moved to foreign countries where the sweatshop-type environments exist.

So they're self-centered in their actions. But the end result is the same - both the humanitarians and the union workers are fighting for basically the same goals - just for different reasons. The issues are so closely linked that resolving one will end up resolving the other, I think.

Come on moderators, this is pretty funny.

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This post number #13 (can't get the URL to work) talks about the port, already, back then.

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I've seen a few pretty bad stories posted on Slashdot befoer, but this is.. well.. embarrassing.

Before you even consider a port of Linux to another architecture, it might be good if you had a little look at the source, and did one or two web searches.

As for the story.. well it has been pointed out that there are already ports running.

Guess what a search on linux EPOC port on www.google.com turned up?

Calcaria Linux7k
...a project to port the unix-like operating system Linux to a small...
...running on the 5mx, but changes in the EPOC OS mean that our boot loader,...
www.calcaria.net/ Cached (5k) New! Try out GoogleScout

Calcaria Linux7k
...the Linux 7k project. A series of developers have set out to port...
...the EPOC operating system, since it will be replaced by Linux....
www.calcaria.net/engppro.html Cached (15k) New! Try out GoogleScout

As the first two results. Cliff, normally your stories are good. It would take two seconds. Enough said.

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I've always supported the Labor part becuase I've never thought the Librals had what it takes to govern in the second half of the 20th century, let alone the next. As for the Nationals!! Wow!! Lets ride our way out of this on the sheep's back again.

ANYWAY....

Having said that, apparently the government is putting a bill foward that will give us opt out rights for databases like this.

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As an Australian, I think I have some right to request this.

Please, please, please write articles that portray us as idiots, not only on this issue, but especially on the who internet censorship thing.

Usually, Austrlians like to think of ourselves as pretty practical people, who don't put up with bullshit, and are honest enough with ourselves to admit we listen to what others have to say.

If people start writing stories saying how dumb some of our recent technical decisions have been, the media here will pick up on it.

Please help.. if you need ideas, email me.

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Moderate this down!

Just buying Sendmail & Cygnus does not give Redhat the copyright to the work, becuase it has contributions from other (non-employee) people. If the don't own the work, they can't change the copyright.

It's as simple as that.

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Microsoft is a very successful software company. They have a significant lead in the production of commercial software, and believe that any increase in the size of any computer driven market can only be good for Microsoft.

MS wants to sell its software in non-US countries as cheaply as possible, and having no tariffs helps that.

To take a real-world example: Australian (and NZ) farmers produce cheap, high quality lambs which are exported to the US and are still cheaper than (subsidised) US farmers can produce lambs. The US farmers argue for a tariff on lambs (which they get), while the Australians are trying to get the WTO to declare the tariff illegal.

I bet the Americans among us are saying "Great work by the govenment - saving US jobs", but stop and consider - it is also making lamb meat more expensive for you. Shouldn't we let market forces decide it?

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Sorry for the spelling error.. It was a mistype.

Your point about running IA32 code is good, but invalid here - we have the code, don't forget!

As for Mercad being only for servers - maybe for the first year, but not much after that.

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That is exactly what I mean - and if Netowrk Associates can't sell their stuff anyway, that helps even more.

I'm not from the US, BTW

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Unless you already know their PGP signature, what is the use of them posting one?

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Maybe you are right, but I'd like to see the source - otherwise I might suspect you are just making this up.

Anyway, Intel sued MB manufactures for making multiprocessing MB? One word Why? You can't just sue someone, you know - you do need a reason.

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Yesterday, in the story about John Carmack there was someone pretending to be John Carmack & getting moderated up.

The otherday, (The sourceforge story) someone said something bad about Chris DiBone (sp?) from VA, and someone called Chris DiBone replied in a very inflamatory manner, and got moderated up.

I do blame the moderators for this, but there is not way of checking if these people are for real - maybe IP addresses should be posted with logged in users, unless they check a box that says "Do not post IP address"....

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Your point is that Intel wants to sell more Intel chips, right? Duh!

The don't really care if Windows or anything else runs on it.

They fact is that Linux on Intel runs very well, thankyou very much!

Sure, AMD is making big improvements, but they don't have a great choice in motherboards yet, and they aren't that much cheaper than Intel at the same performace level - and Intel can do better multiprocessing (because of the motherboard situation) at the moment.

Maybe one day that IBM PowerPC standard will make an impact, but until then for Price/Performance Intel kicks butt.

Mercard will be nice, too - when it arrives. It will be cheap because of the huge number that will be produced, and Intel needs Linux to run on it quickly so they can get a lot of early adopters to use (and test!) it.

Even Colbolt is leaving MIPS to move to Intel because of the better performance for the money.

Sure, we want hardware choice, but don't get mad at Intel for making pretty good products and trying to sell them. (PIII serial number excluded, of course)

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Why are there different laws for foreign Govenments and foreign private use?

That has got to be one of the most stupid things I've ever heard of, even compared to the stupidity of the laws at the moment.

A (non-US) country's citizens are allowed to buy strong crypto, but that govenment isn't???

Maybe (and this maybe wayyyyy wrong) foreign govenments might not like that much?

If anything, this is going to encourage non-US software companies to enter the crypto market.

Imagine this: Network Associates spends millions of $'s on a big advertising campaign in Europe, so some govenment department decides they need strong crypto.

They head down to the local computer shop with a nice $10 Mil to equip all their offices only to be told "Sorry - you are govenment, we can't sell this to you, because it made in the US"

"Oh no! I've got this $10 Mil for strong crypto software. How can I use it?"

"Well... there is this local company.. it is crappy bit of software, but we can sell it to you"

So the govenment buys CrappySoft Encrypter, and CrappySoft then enters the US market, with a nice claim "We are the official supplier to a million European govenment workers" - what US company can boast that?

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If you send something via FedEx, do you expect to have it read?

Of course, that is slightly different, because in that case, your parcel is sealed, and FedEx would have top breck that seal. Now, at least, it is obvious that an email has the same protection - this decision (it seems to me) means that your ISP must get your permission to read it, even to diagnose network faults.

Yes, this is slightly unrealistic for plaintext emails, but the point is that now you have a degree of protection against unauthorised reading of emails.

When you send email from work, that is different - by using the work facilities, you are acting as an agent of your company, and which means that all access to your emails is handled by company policy - in the same way a company can make a rule about its employees not reading thing in other peoples offices.

PS: I'm not a lawyer, so basically I made all this up. It might be somewhat correct, though.

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Another site with the same idea is The Hunger Site

Visit and save a life!

Unfortunatly, the Delphi compiler is not Open-Sourced, and is to be released under a commercial licence - neither BSD or (L)GPL or any other Open Source licence,

Borland (Inprise) can release their product under any licence they like (provided it is under legal terms) and for any platform - provided they don't violate the terms of anything on that platform.

The BSD/GPL non-compatitbility only come into play whe the non-original authors want to change the licence, anyway. If Diga wanted to release their drivers under the BSD licence they could, because they own the code - but if anyone else tried it they would be in breach of the GPL.

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Oh... wait a sec.. yeah, I guess that isn't actually that off topic for this story... Sorry All!!

Oh well... First Post, then? :-)

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I remember reading a Wired interview with the PG founder back in '96 or '97.

They were talking about how movies were begining to come out of their copyright period, and how he wanted to make a public domain MPG of "Gone with the Wind" before he died.

I'm not quite sure what the copyright status of early (say, pre-WW2) movies is, now. Anyone?

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I've been reading PG books since I've been on the net ('94) and I think they have got to be one of the most important resources available.

People discount PG by saying thing like "Oh, you can get free texts anywhere" and "Books are outdated, anyway".

Well, imagine happening without PG: Copyright laws are changed so that copyright does not run out after 30 years (or whatever it is) - and this is what the film lobby wants.

Then, in 10 years or so, a law is made giving ownership of texts that have become public domain back to the decendents of their owners, who then seel them to film companies or amazon.com

These companies decide that they only want to sell paper-books, and the demand for some titles is so low that you have to get a special publishing run for them.

Then a some books get banned for being sexist/sexy/racist/communist or whatever, and you can no longer get them - period!

Books - or at least the text of then is the life blood of civilisation - and PG is something that is making this freely (as in speach) available to all.

Support it!

PS:yes, I know the scenerio above wasn't real, and I know "the internet changes everything", but in 5 years, when you are reading "Sherlock Holmes" on your Palm XX, you can thank Project Gutenburg for keeping it free.

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The first person to find out anything about Transmeta that they didn't want everyone to know

At least I don't feel so stupid any more.

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Sorry - I know they are shown on the screen. Stupid IE4 wasn't showing the filenames up in the "have been viewed" color.

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Contents are (Unformatted, sorry!):

arrive.gif 15-Nov-1999 18:25 4k arrive2.gif 15-Nov-1999 16:51 4k arrive2.jpg 15-Nov-1999 16:12 11k arrive2.png 15-Nov-1999 16:19 3k crusoelogo.jpg 13-Nov-1999 12:45 14k crusoelogosm.jpg 13-Nov-1999 16:45 11k footsteps.gif 13-Nov-1999 08:06 2k footstepssm.gif 13-Nov-1999 08:06 1k leftsky.jpg 13-Nov-1999 08:06 11k legalhdr.gif 13-Nov-1999 08:06 1k rethought.gif 13-Nov-1999 08:06 2k rightsky.jpg 13-Nov-1999 08:06 7k skycntr.jpg 13-Nov-1999 08:06 39k tocreatnew.gif 15-Nov-1999 18:26 5k

Rethought.gif = "We rethought the microprocessor to create a whole new world of mobility"

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It appears this cluster is for development of open-source software. That is amazing - I doubt there are many computers in the world that are more powerful than this and used for software development.

Almost all the super-clusters like this one are used for energy research, weather forcasting, and other scientific research (and of course "classified purposes").

I guess they will be developing super powerful scientific anaylasis applications, but I do wonder what exactly. I mean, isn't half the problem with this type of application developing the algorithms for weather forecasting (or whatever) in the first place?

I suppose they can develop some kind of supercomputer infrastrucure that would be useful in all type of supercomputer applications. (PVM?)

A highly scalable image rendering package would be pretty cool, too.

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Kim Stanley Robinson, Larry Niven, Orson Scott Card, and Poul Anderson all write SF that has it's roots in the 50's work, and already have the depth of work that means they will be read for a long time yet.

Stephenson and Gibson take SF places it never went before, even in the weirdest writing of Dick.

Don't worry, there are plenty of great authors out there. Crime fiction didn't die with Agatha Christie, and SF has got a lot more potential than that.

The 50's authors will always be read, but in 30 years, we'll look back on the Golden Age of '90's SF and wonder who could ever replace them.

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I'm sorry, but that post is just so wrong it is laughable. If you had found some site that ran NT and was faster than Slashdot (not hard to do) you would be flamed out of existance.

Where to start?

Slashdot does use multiple webserver - it caches static pages, and

Slashdot does not use Oracle it uses MySQL. Big difference in websites.

"The response time is always good" ????? Not from where I am (Australia) it isn't. Subjectivly, dvdexpress seemed faster to me. Anyway, what does that prove? You are closer to Slashdot than dvdexpress? Slashdot has more bandwidth?

Dvd is graphic intensive, and takes longer to render in Netscape, too.

You can't compare two totally dissimilar sites, on totally different hardware.

I bet I can find apache sites that seem slower than NT/IIS sites. EG: www.Apache.org always seems very slow to me. What does that prove? NOTHING!!!!

Look, I want Linux to be faster than NT as much as anyone, but we can't even be seen trying to spread FUD like MS does. Imagine if MS stuck that up at Comdex as by "a Linux Hacker, posting on the Linux nerd site slashdot.org".

People, please think for a moment before you post, and before you moderate comments like that up. Ask yourself this:

If this was posted on www.microsoft.com, and it was an arguement for NT rather than Linux, would we have trouble disputing it?

Reader of Slashdot don't need to see arguments for Linux like this, we need to see the opposing view, so we can learn what we need to improve.

Damn.. I just know this will kill my karma, but that is crazy!

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Ray Bradbury is one of the original band of SciFi authors who defined the genre in the late '40s and early '50s.

Along with Asimov, Heinlem (sp?), Clark, and maybe Philip K. Dick (who am I missing here?), Bradbury pushed story telling to placed it had never been before.

He was probabably never as optimistic as Asimov or Clark, - he always seemed a little dark, especially compared to other 1950s stories (except, of course for PK Dicks work).

For instance (from the Amazon review of his best known work Fahrenheit 451):

First published in 1953, Fahrenheit 451 is a classic novel set in the future when books forbidden by a totalitarian regime are burned. The hero, a book burner, suddenly discovers that books are flesh and blood ideas that cry out silently when put to the torch.

For those of you who think SciFi that makes you scared of humanity began with Gibson, go an read something like The Martian Chronicles. These were written in the 1940's and yet talk about things that no one else was talking about until the 1960s - things like the potential negative impact of human civilisation.

I'll never, ever forget the haunting story (I think it was from this book) about the last surviving martian, hunted over his planet by a man with a big gun, having seen his civiliastion wiped out in his lifetime.

Get well soon, Mr Bradbury - you deserve to live to see Mars.

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First, to CNN: Pretty good article - you gave a very balanced view of the issues.

However:

Why does everyone persist in calling this "hacking". Sure, it was hacking in the traditional (computer) sense of the word, but surely, now days, that word has bad overtones.

Perhaps it wouls be more appropriate to play up the reverse engineering aspect of this. Is it illegal for a non licenced manufacturer to design and sell replacement door panels for your car? Of course not! What the manufactures of those door panels do is exactly the same as what these people did.

Yes, they had to break some (pretty weak, and bungled) encryption, but is that any different from the door manufacture not releasing the specifications of a special bolt needed to attach the door to the car? Not really - and it was perfectly legal to do.

These people weren't trying to pirate movies, they weren't trying to steal national secrets, all they were trying to do was allow people to watch the movies they had legally bought, on a player they had legally bought.

This is no different from trying to get one of those programmable remotes to work with your VCR. Do you think the manufactures (originally, at least) gave out the codes for those remotes? People had to work them out by taking them to bits, checking the chip types and reverse engineering them. Does anyone complain about that? No! They just think is is stupid the manufactures didn't make it easier to do in the first place.

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Netscape (the company) is dying - not just because of the corporate clash with AOL, but because they just don't have the technology.

The shipping Navigator is second rate compared to IE5, and who uses a Netscape server these days? For webservers, it's IIS vs Apache, and for application servers, the Netscape one has such a bad reputation that people are dumping it for anything else.

There is still the Netscape name, though, and that is worth a huge amount. Everybody has heard of Netscape, if only they could find a way to use that!

AOL should spin an E-Technology company off and give it the Netscape name - they would make billions! The value of AOL stock has nothing to do with Netscape, but if there was a relaunch of Netscape, with some valid technology it would rock - hell, they could sell support for Apache or something.

Forget this stuipid I-Planet thing. When did you ever hear anyone from Sun talking about that?

The game isn't over for Netscape, not by a long way, but I think it's future lies in technology, not services & portals.

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as might I...

I liked most of the questions, except for the last one. I get the point behind the question, I just think a better example could have been used...

As I read the question all I could think of was this:
1) for the cost to develop and build each of those boxes, how much FOOD could have been air dropped in its place?
2) So the soldiers come in, beat you senseless, take your food, and yet leave you with a capability to connect to the internet? Unless the magic little box is truely wireless with its own nuclear battery, and web server you're outta luck. And wouldn't it just suck if the oppresive goverment could track its broadcasts?

Look, I'm a practical person. The situation described in the question is highly impractical.

Could someone please come up with a better way of phrasing the question?

Maybe something like, "once again you see soldiers beating up the guy accross the street from you and taking his food... You have the ability to connect the web, how can you get the word out? (Bonus: do so without the opressive dictatorship deciding to beat you senseless too)" Same point, more believeable situation.

In the mean time go to The Hunger Site where by using the power of the current web, you can get food donated to starving kids around the world.


"You want to kiss the sky? Better learn how to kneel." - U2
"It was like trying to herd cats..." - Robert A. Heinlein

I realize that, but while Transmeta people seem to keep their mouth shut because they really enjoy their work, do you really think some mid-level manager is going to care?

Here Dave, make sure we have enought people to staff the canteen to server X people from 15 January.

Oh, Okay Jim, what's happenening?

We've just signed a new contract with some manufacture, but you can't tell anyone.

- Infact you should probably have some factor in there for the motivation of them, too.

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Had anyone else heard the rumor about the Transmeta chip being low power consumpion before? I sure hadn't, and to me, it doesn't mesh well with the idea that it can run multiple instruction sets.

Surely this would require a large amount of memory, and isn't (fast) memory something of a killer for low powered devices?

If Transmeta can produce something that emulates other architectures, and uses a comparable amount of power to the low power versions of those architectures, it has to be one of the most impressive breakthoughs ever.

I do worry though - you know what they say -

A chip can be fast, cheap or effecient - pick any two.

Okay, I made up the quote, but I think it is slightly accurate at least, esp. in the early generations of a design.

What else.... Oh yeah.

If they are really going to announce this in January (or at Comdex), I don't think we will see it in use anywhere for a couple of year. If Tranmeta had contracts with fab plants somewhere, someone would have said something by now.

I doubt very much if you can go down to your local chip maker, and say "We want you to switch your plant to making our funcky new designs - forget about this multi-billion dollar contract you have", so they can't just get manufacturing facilities like that. It takes a long time to build a fab plant, too, and it's not like you can just convert a derelic factory to a state of the art chip fabrication plant.

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For my money, it has to be the Apache Group. Nothing, not even Linux has done more for free softwear than Apache - sure Linux gets the press, and deserves it, but Apache is the killer app that has kept Unix relevent in a lot of places through the rise of NT.

Now we can say we are in the Post-Microsoft era (isn't it great to be able to say that?) Apache deserves credit for being the one piece of softwear that managed to gain marketshare when faced with MS giving away a direct competitor - IIS.

Not even Linux can claim that, and what is more, many would claim that the success of Apache has been on of the main reasons why MS has not successed in the Internet age.

People will look back on 1997-1999 in years to come, and talk about how Microsoft had destroyed Netscape (their previous competitor in the server business), but couldn't beat Apache - everything IIS could do, Apache could do, plus it could run on better hardware because of its openness.

What is more, Apache isn't created by the coding "Stars", but by a group of (reletitivly) human coders, and as such must be the best proof of the success of open source software

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I don't know how you got moderated to 2 when you completly missed the spirit of my post, which is: what's wrong with "free everything"?

Granted, the food donated by TheHungerSite is not free for me to give because I have to see advertising to give it, but it is free enough to the hungry people who eat it. And that is the point, food in hungry peoples mouths. Hopefully it will be books & education next. Do you see any problems with this? How could you have problems with this?

Why are you afraid of "free everything"? Free everything is the best thing that could happen to the world. Is free food for hungry people evil? How do you feel about ATM fees? I suggest you click on The Hunger Site and try giving something for free. Then come back and tell us how much it affected your morgtage or car loan or whatever.