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Transmeta to Release Processor in January?

Scipius writes "German tech-mag c't reports that Transmeta's new processor will likely be released on the 19th of January 2000. It also reveals the apparent code name: Crusoe." The article's in German, of course. But we'll take a juicy Transmeta rumor - and that's all this is - in any language. Babelfish time!

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  1. Personally... by bconway · · Score: 1

    I'm really glad to see from progress out of this company. Despite the vapourware rumors, that is. Should be interesting to see how the competition goes. Perhaps a real intel downfall?

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    1. Re:Personally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really hope to see some 90's processor technology, no more of Intel's 70's technology. :-)

      compustores.net

    2. Re:Personally... by coaxial · · Score: 1

      I really hope to see some 90's processor technology, no more of Intel's 70's technology. :-)

      Yeah but would still be 10 years out of date. :)

    3. Re:Personally... by Greg+Merchan · · Score: 1

      Hey! I didn't see the Y2K-compliance mentioned last time I checked the site. Isn't that progress?!? :)

    4. Re:Personally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's not exactly vapourware, since they haven't announced ANYTHING. Real vapourware should be competing in the marketplace preferably years before it becomes a real product, to keep potential competitors from designing something similar.

    5. Re:Personally... by mixy1plik · · Score: 1
      Personally I'm taking a "wait and see" approach to this. I have no doubt in my mind that whatever comes out of their development labs will be cool as hell, but the rumor mill will just churn out more and more as the time draws near...

      As for Intel, it could be a killer chip but does Transmeta have what it takes, even with a killer chip, to take on Intel in the short run?

  2. Babelfish! Hee hee... by 198348726583297634 · · Score: 2
    The rumor kitchen reports that the geheimnisumwobene processor prozessorschmiede Transmeta on the first Comdex day, to which 15 November -- as announced by Transmeta coworker Linus Torvalds already - admits now finally the date for the conception of their long expected processor to give wants.

    *snicker* .. the rumor kitchen. Mahir, head chef of the rumor kitchen, kiss you!

    1. Re:Babelfish! Hee hee... by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      Linus Torvalds already - admits now finally the date for the conception


      Linus is having a baby! I hope his boys can swim.


      "If you can't take the shoddy journalism than stay out of the rumor kitchen."




    2. Re:Babelfish! Hee hee... by holloway · · Score: 1

      Ah Mahir, the cause of and solution to all of life's problems... or just the real name of Transmeta's new chip... you decide!

    3. Re:Babelfish! Hee hee... by eyeball · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but you know what they say about having kids: they never grow up the way you want. Linus's kid will probably be totally anti-drug and work at microsoft (probably writing Windows 2030).

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    4. Re:Babelfish! Hee hee... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What exactly is the Mahir connection? Will he be playing his musicenstrumens at the release party?

  3. Processor, Yeah... by azi · · Score: 0

    By reading the U.S. patent databases by searching patents claimed by Transmeta, it isn't quite hard to quess that transmeta's projects have something to do with processors.

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    1. Re:Processor, Yeah... by Bob+Ince · · Score: 3
      it isn't quite hard to quess that transmeta's projects have something to do with processors.

      Well, yes, we'd kind of known that for some time. :-)

      The new-news hidden in this article (apart from the codename itself) is that Crusoe is to be aimed at low-power devices like laptops, which is quite a different market to the mega-workstation many people here wanted it to be (perhaps due to dislike for Intel).

      'Course, low-electrical-power doesn't mean low-computing-power. Look at the ARM series, for one. Or c't could be wrong, though they usually aren't. Guess we'll just have to wait and see - to use a phrase already worn out in Transmeta discussion...


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    2. Re:Processor, Yeah... by ReadErr · · Score: 2

      According to my sources, that processor-related patents are just side-effects of tests of the new caffeinated beverage they're developing...

    3. Re:Processor, Yeah... by artg · · Score: 2

      Targeting at the low-electrical-power market does usually mean that it isn't (yet) competitive in the high-computing-power market. It makes sense to sell your new product into the niche that suits it best, just to get a foothold and some income before you try for a more difficult area. If it can take on the high-power end adequately, there's not a lot of point in restricting it to a particular market segment.

      The Arm is reasonably powerful now, but wasn't always : before StrongArm, it was computationally powerful for it's price and wattage, but not really comparable with 486/Pentium.

    4. Re:Processor, Yeah... by Bob+Ince · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Your point is well-taken.

      On a purely historical note, however, the ARM series was, at its inception, more than comparable with the x86 processors of the day; that'd would've been about 1987, I guess.

      ARM Ltd was spun off to develop the processor and aimed at the embedded market in particular, resulting in the less spectacular mid-range chips such as the ARM6 core; as you note, it took Digital's involvement in the StrongARM project to make another high-end processor.

      Of course, no ARM ever ran the x86 instruction set, which is where (we think) this may differ...


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  4. For Notebooks! by dej05093 · · Score: 1

    c't claims that it is thought for notebooks, due to it's low power consumption. Maybe "Crusoe" is cheap also ;-)

    1. Re:For Notebooks! by myconid · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because we all know notebooks are cheaper than desktops... :P
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    2. Re:For Notebooks! by dej05093 · · Score: 1

      > Yeah, because we all know notebooks are cheaper > than desktops... :P

      They are at least cheaper than servers or high end workstations for which something like a Xeon or a high end Sparc processor might be reasonable.

  5. What about the fab? by A+Big+Gnu+Thrush · · Score: 3

    If Transmeta is a fabless chip manufacturer, then this will just be an announcement of what they plan to build. Not that I'm accusing them of vaprware, but early chip announcements tend to be more like bad sci-fi than actual news. Think of Intel and their gHz processor - cooled by a desk sized freezer beneath the unit.

    Either way, it will be more interesting than the Lucent (might not be a) router announcement.

    1. Re:What about the fab? by substrate · · Score: 1

      TransMeta has been around long enough that silicon may be close if in fact test silicon isn't already there. Given TransMeta's reluctance to say anything at all regarding their product I'd say that if they do announce a processor on November 15th they'll also announce a relatively short time till actual delivery.

      You don't need a fab to build a microprocessor. Many CPU's are built using third party fabrication resources such as the MIPS microprocessor.

    2. Re:What about the fab? by markhb · · Score: 1

      When National Semiconductor announced that they were selling the Cyrix line to VIA, they also said that they were looking to sell a good-sized piece of their interest in their South Portland facility. I haven't heard anything more on that part of it, so maybe it's still in play.

      BTW, as far as Transmeta's PR budget goes: it's Linus' salary. They get enough coverage out of the fact that they employ him (and give kernel.org the server space), that they can come out with an enormous IPO even if all Linus does is answer his Email all day. (NB: I'm not trying to imply that that's what he actually does... I'm sure he would not be comfortable in an environment where he was wanted only for his celebrity PR value.)

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  6. "...aimed at the notebook market" by trurl3 · · Score: 1

    Hmmm, I guess I might just have to wait before buying my new laptop.
    By the way, is this going to be an entirely new architecture, or is it compatible with some already-extant standard?
    (And the obvious question) Will Linux run on it? :-)
    (Perhaps that's why they hired Linus, hmm?)

    1. Re:"...aimed at the notebook market" by myconid · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, I guess I might just have to wait before buying my new laptop.

      Why not wait until the next generation of chips, or the next next? I heard thoes cpus 3 generations are mad sweet...
      Stan "Myconid" Brinkerhoff

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  7. Codename: VAPOR by mistabobdobalina · · Score: 1

    kinda like that biz markie song...

    on non-flamer tip transmeta's most recent patent release pretty much let the cat out of the bag. if they deliver i'll be first in line to order!

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  8. Update by ylle · · Score: 2

    Transmeta's home page has been updated. It is apparently Y2K compliant. Does that mean we can't expect to see it change before next year?

    1. Re:Update by Psiren · · Score: 1

      Can you imagine the slashdot effect thier web server(s) will see once they have some real content? They'd better be ready for one bumpy ride...

    2. Re:Update by xtra · · Score: 1

      and did you check out the source code:

      There are no secret messages in the source code to this web page.
      There are no tyops in this web page.

    3. Re:Update by eiPi · · Score: 1
      Reason for the new look website:
      Someone finally worked out how to survive the slashdot effect :-)
      Did anyone else think to look at the source?- worth a look.

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    4. Re:Update by stevef · · Score: 1

      This is the biggest news story of the week... it should be on the front page :^)

      Steve

    5. Re:Update by .pentai. · · Score: 1

      Actually their page was updated with that weeks if not over a month ago...and yes the, err, comments are still there in the HTML.

    6. Re:Update by Thomas+Charron · · Score: 1

      HeHe.. I submitted it as a story nearly 3 weeks ago, got rejected soon after... ;-P

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    7. Re:Update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Check this out: www.transmeat.com.

      I made a typo and got it instead...

    8. Re:Update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's been there for months now, dude.

  9. Transmete website by BorgDrone · · Score: 2

    Anyone seen they changed the transmeta website ?
    how long has this 'new' site been up
    their new design really kicks ass!
    never seen a website so well designed, and it works with all browsers and it loads fast too. great! kudos to their webdesigner! :-)

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  10. If it's hardware . . . by cureless · · Score: 5

    If it's a processor then some software is going to run on it? This could explained, as mentioned in an article above, why they hired Linus.

    Think about it. A *new* architecture, with some really fancy new characteristics but no software? I don't think so. On the other hand, if they involve the opensource community . . . BINGO! a real competitor to Wintel.

    Who else would you choose as youre link to the community but Linus. He's the head of development. He can make sure everything runs on this "Crusoe".
    I'm not directly tied into kernel development, but you sometimes wonder why some patches don't get included . . . :-)

    But in the end, if it's a processor, Linux will run on it. How else can you have a top-secret processor? Who can they really trust as their OS of choice? Windoze? MacOS? BE? . . .
    You never know, kernel 2.4 might as well be ready to run on "Crusoe"

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    1. Re:If it's hardware . . . by mrogers · · Score: 1

      Does this mean the whole "morph host" x86 emulator theory is out the window?

    2. Re:If it's hardware . . . by cureless · · Score: 1

      Not really. Those not-so-opensource-products-with-no-source-code might need to run on a x86 achitecture.

      This processor might be able to run non-native (what ever native means) linux binaries, it might even be able to run the whole thing; linux-x86-on-Crusoe, linux-ppc-on-Crusoe, linux-sparc-on-Crusoe, and obviously linux-Crusoe.

      Also, once the plataform is up and ready, sooner or later other stuff (non-linux) might want to be ported, and while it's ported a non-native version can be "emulated" (what ever that means to this processor).

      I don't remember the whole discussion on the patent thing, but did it specifically target x86? What about other architectures, even new architectures? This might give Transmeta the upper hand in a place where 64 seems to split compatibility all over.

      cl

      P.S. I'm making stuff up as I go so don't trust me.

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    3. Re:If it's hardware . . . by eyeball · · Score: 1

      Keep in mind that not all CPUs run user os's.. Perhaps it's some embedded system that isn't even positioned to compete with Microsoft Windows. (Of course, it would be competing against MS's lame attempts at an embedded os.)

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    4. Re:If it's hardware . . . by Thomas+Charron · · Score: 2

      That's the catch. According to the patents they have filed, it'd most likely be able to run ANY OS, and hence, any software. There chips would morph x86, etc, calls, to it's own internal architecure, hence, 'emulating' nearly any chip on the market currently..

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    5. Re:If it's hardware . . . by /dev/niall · · Score: 1
      That's the catch. According to the patents they have filed, it'd most likely be able to run ANY OS, and hence, any software. There chips would morph x86, etc, calls, to it's own internal architecure, hence, 'emulating' nearly any chip on the market currently..

      Bingo on the emulation. If we wre to explect a native Linux on this platform, we could also expect a large chunk of new, untested code in the kernel; something Linus has been heavily against in the past.

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  11. The Linux Rocket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Linus has optimized this baby to make Linux scream. It was designed with Linux in mind, to support the Linux Way. Great day in the morning! I love it; this is better than Hiroshima!

  12. The full article bablefished by Hanzie · · Score: 2

    In English: The rumor kitchen reports that the geheimnisumwobene processor prozessorschmiede Transmeta on the first Comdex day, to which 15 November -- as announced by Transmeta coworker Linus Torvalds already - admits now finally the date for the conception of their long expected processor to give wants. But already beforehand the message penetrated for c't editorship that was to be introduced the processor circulating under the name " Crusoe " on 19 January 2000 (by the way one Wednesday, no " Friday ").

    Crusoe is to direct owing to its very low current consumption primarily at the Notebook market (s/c't)

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  13. Why Crusoe?? by cubitt · · Score: 1

    So, why is it going to be called Crusoe ??

    There must be a reason for this name?!

    It's years since I read the story but involved some bloke shipwrecked, washed up on an island, and meeting a native he called 'Friday'.

    Hmm...

    Or are they just playing with us?!!

    BTW: www.transmeta.com has changed! (And no, www.transmeta.com/crusoe.html and www.transmeta.com/crusoe/ dont exist!

    1. Re:Why Crusoe?? by Mattsson · · Score: 1

      Maybe the chipset needed to run it will be called Friday. ;)
      Or they may be implementing "advanced Friday cache architecture". =)

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    2. Re:Why Crusoe?? by CoffeeNowDammit · · Score: 1

      The Gilligan's Island theme keeps going thru my head: "Like Robinson Crusoe / as primitive as can be.. / as primitive as can be.. "

      Not that I'm dissing Transmeta here (hey, maybe they're using a very simple "primitive" instruction set).

      Hopefully, their sales force will provide a nice "three-ee hour tour/ a three-ee hour tour"..
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    3. Re:Why Crusoe?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps it will be the Crusoe-fiction of Intel.

  14. Fabless or not, it's sure to make waves... by Sir_Winston · · Score: 5

    The fact is that if the Transmeta CPU architecture is anything like what's in the Transmeta patents, and if they can at least come up with a few engineering samples, if will mean a radical shift in our ideas about processor design. As it stands, the instruction set is what defines a CPU--CISC, RISC, x86, HP-UX, etc., are all involved in defining the processors which use these instruction sets, but Transmeta changes this. The Transmeta idea as expressed in their patents would create a category above this--no longer is it 'an x86 processor', it's 'a processor running x86 instructions'. This is a radical idea, and a radical paradigm shift--we should all hope it comes to pass. If it's a great and practicable design, it shouldn't be too difficult for Transmeta to partner up with anyone from AMD to Motorola. This sort of radical advancement--again, if it comes to pass--makes me wonder what the heck Intel and all their capital were doing designing the inflexible Itanium, which executes its native (and sure to be poorly supported except for network/server apps for at least a year or two till prices come down remarkably) instructions with Alpha-killing speed but chokes on anything else including the x86 with which they were supposed to be compatible to some reasonable degree. Just 2cents from a guy who plans on supporting anything but the Itanium (mmmm, legacy games under 64-bit AMD....)

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    1. Re:Fabless or not, it's sure to make waves... by JavaFox · · Score: 1

      Ha, I guess there ARE people out there that know what the hell those patents were talking about! :)

    2. Re:Fabless or not, it's sure to make waves... by GnuGrendel · · Score: 2

      But you've left one of the most interesting possible instruction sets that the transmeta chip could support.... JAVA BYTECODES!

      Imagine Java running natively... ease of development and native speed.

    3. Re:Fabless or not, it's sure to make waves... by greenrd · · Score: 1
      Unfortunately, you can't run Java 100% natively because there are no bytecodes for accessing hardware or anything like that. And I don't think having the garbage collection algorithm executed as bytecodes would work very well, either...

    4. Re:Fabless or not, it's sure to make waves... by Ender_the_Xenocide · · Score: 1

      Forget Java bytecode: I see the return of the LISP machine!

    5. Re:Fabless or not, it's sure to make waves... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LISP? HA! I want to see the worlds first hardware Z-machine! Imagine the speed Zork would run on that mother! :)

  15. Dare to hope? by Daffy+Duck · · Score: 3
    I'm as excited as anyone by the prospect of totally new technology, but I'm also bracing myself for the possiblity of both short and long term disappointment when this mystery product debuts.

    In the short term, it could turn out that the product isn't the fusion-powered anti-gravity time-travel device that all the secrecy has led me to expect.

    In the long term, even a fantastic product could end up going nowhere. I'm thinking particularly of AMD's woes. Not only has Intel (allegedly) managed to convince some major motherboard manufacturers not to ship their Athlon boards, now they've gotten a major OEM (Gateway) to drop all AMD processors from their product line. And Intel's anti-trust case inexplicably disappeared into thin air.

    Even if Transmeta has the coolest CPU ever, do they stand a chance against Chipzilla? Here's hoping...

    1. Re:Dare to hope? by hazydave · · Score: 1
      Gateway has dropped all AMD systems, true. But this, when taken with other recent Gateway actions, is more likely to scare Gatway shareholders than non-Intel fans, as it's a fairly clear indication of troubles within Gateway.

      The most visible of these moves is that they have dessimated their customer/tech support group. In restricting their products to Intel-only, it's likely they're shipping pretty much the same thing in every box, CPU/motherboard wise, with all motherboards made by Intel. This will definitely cut support costs, simply because support staff needs only know one or two PCB variations.

      It's also a retreat back to what Gateway's confortable with. They were one of the last major companies to start using non-Intel products, and they're one of those with the least internal development around (which they have also cut back recently).

      This isn't to say that fear of Intel, or even Intel themselves, hasn't hurt the Athlon introduction some. But that's not the only explanation; the Super7 introductions were plauged with chip and software issues for some time. Some vendors will want to believe that's not an Athlon problem before they jump on board.

      It's also a standard cost-benefit thing; is Athlon compelling enough to jump now versus later, or as a flagship, or whatever. Maybe? If the Transmeta fulfills its design goal of delivering a 4x cost/power advantage over some comparable state-of-the-art chip, it'll catch on fast. Especially on laptops, which, being fairly well self-contained and made by larger companies, are less succeptable to fear of Intel.

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  16. Better translation by Stephen · · Score: 5
    Here's a better translation, albeit only based on a bit of high-school German and a small dictionary. E&OE.
    The rumour on the grapevine is that the secretive processor manufacturer Transmeta will finally reveal the date for the introduction of their long-awaited processor on the first day of Comdex, 15th November (as already announced by Transmeta employee Linus Torvalds). But c't has already heard that the new processor will be launched under the name "Crusoe" on 19th January 2000 (a Wednesday, not a "Friday", by the way). Owing to its very low current consumption, Crusoe will be aimed primarily at the notebook market.
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  17. A comment on that article has even more info by kzin · · Score: 2

    The comm ent doesn't specify what are its sources, but it:
    1. Confidently states that Crusoe works by special hardware translating the instructions and then storing them in a huge cache,
    2. Says that because of that, MS-Windows will probably not run on Crusoe. This is because of Windows' habit of altering its code on the fly for reasons of optimization, and
    3. Speculates that Linus was hired because Linux is to be [one of the] first OS[s] to run on Crusoe (ok, so this isn't new :D ).

    It looks like both Intel and Microsoft are facing Interesting Times... :)

    1. Re:A comment on that article has even more info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it capable of storing the hardware instructions in a huge cache then wouldn't also work as the new JAVA OS that SUN couldn't make?

    2. Re:A comment on that article has even more info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somebody please tell me that Windows doesn't really have self-modifying code in it. I may die laughing!

    3. Re:A comment on that article has even more info by Tjl · · Score: 1

      #1 and #2 and the previous patents collide badly:
      the processor should be able to run self-modifying
      code. Naturally, it will be a lot SLOWER because
      of the retranslations... If it is in critical timing loops, then just maybe there is a problem
      but on the whole, I'd think this is a rosy herring.

    4. Re:A comment on that article has even more info by AndrewHowe · · Score: 1

      OK then... Windows doesn't really have self-modifying code in it.

      Windows generates code and executes it, which is subtly different to having self modifying code. This is done for things like Blt routines... the code for a particular ROP is generated on the fly. I believe the SGI software OpenGL implementation for Win32 generates scanline routines in the same way, taking into account the relevant renderstates.

      And, of course, the context of this discussion is the TransMeta processor, which is said to generate native code as part of its emulation strategy.

      Do you have a problem with self-modifying code?

  18. Crusoe? by BigTed · · Score: 2

    The name Crusoe could be a suggestion at what the developers think of their new chip. Being seperate from the rest of the manufacturers but close enough that it is still reminiscent of what users are comfortable with.

    A new platform that runs native Linux and without all the flaws and inherited legacy hardware in the INTEL architecture, sounds good to me :-)

    1. Re:Crusoe? by revnight · · Score: 2

      or it could just be named crusoe to give us a witty name if it flops...

      will crusoe=gilligan?

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  19. goodluck to them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we need someone to get rid of all this imcompatiblity thing which goes on all the time over different CPU instruction blah blah sets

  20. Truly Exciting Rumor Mill by ZahrGnosis · · Score: 4

    This is why Transmeta is absolutely cool. Notwithstanding people that can read German (and I'm sure you're plentiful), we've got a one paragraph article that babelfishes really poorly about some bizarrely unsubstantiated rumors and it's going to be a VERY popular slashdot thread, because, well, because it's Transmeta. (Circular logic... cool).

    As for real content, I'm surprised by even the rumor that the supposed chip would be a notebook chip. Why a notebook? Linus has said recently that Linux is likely to develop towards embedded applications (it really does perform well there). How let down would we be if Transmeta's first chips were low powered, linux-powered embedded app chips? Really think TV/Network Computers or the like...

    Also, if I read the babeled German correctly, they're going to announce the Concept on Jan. 19th. It still could be sometime before we see product (whatever it may be). This should come as no surprise, since TransMeta clearly hasn't employed hundreds of chip-builders lately (someone would have noticed that, I think).

    I'm waiting to be awed by whatever they eventually produce, but for now, it's enough to be in awe of the amazing hype and free-publicity. Amazing, isn't it that doing the exact opposite of Microsoft (by spending NOTHING on advertising) is garnering TransMeta (and thus Linus, and thus Linux) a decent amount of press?

    Keep it up TransMeta!

    1. Re:Truly Exciting Rumor Mill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when has hype become a cool thing? Right now that's all Transmeta is. I don't try speculating on how great Transmeta is because although they may have a new architecture for processors, they still need to prove it to be better than anything that currently exists (cost-wise, performance-wise, whatever). I can tell you one thing though. With all this hype, they had better produce something spectacular lest they look like fools once they have their product in the spotlight.

    2. Re:Truly Exciting Rumor Mill by ZahrGnosis · · Score: 1

      Well, not Hype persay; or hype for hype's sake... but the fact that TransMeta has so MUCH Hype for not marketing any itself, is rare... that's what gets me excited about it. They still have to prove themselves of course with an actual product (or do they? Economics students should respond here).

      And the side effects of the silent publicity are cool too. Any time Linux can get in the media in a non-negative (if not positive) way, I'm probably going to support it. TransMeta has been doing that, so yay!

  21. Why Linux by kzin · · Score: 1

    If Crusoe is really aimed at laptops, wouldn't Linux be a strange choice for its main OS?
    Now I know we all like to think Linux is better at everything, but right now it's still a server OS that's rather hard to operate for non-techie users, which makes choosing it as the main OS for laptop a risky vote of confidence.
    Wouldn't MacOS make a much better choice, especially considering its recent revival? (iMac)
    Well maybe there's already a hidden deal with Apple. Or maybe Linus is developing Linux to take advanteges of Cruso's unique features and be the first OS to run everything. That would be nice... :)

    1. Re:Why Linux by DragoonAK · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but half the reason Linux is hard to operate involves less than stellar hardware compatability. I know Linus has been interested in improving Linux's laptop capability (due to purely selfish reasons, natch) and if this is a new architechure, one would imagine it would require a new, designed-for-Linux bunch of hardware that would be easily supported.

  22. For the lazy Slashdotter... by pen · · Score: 1
    Transmeta processor " Crusoe " in January expects

    The rumor kitchen reports that the geheimnisumwobene processor prozessorschmiede Transmeta on the first Comdex day, to which 15 November -- as announced by Transmeta coworker Linus Torvalds already - admits now finally the date for the conception of their long expected processor to give wants. But already beforehand the message penetrated for c't editorship that was to be introduced the processor circulating under the name " Crusoe " on 19 January 2000 (by the way one Wednesday, no " Friday "). Crusoe is to direct owing to its very low current consumption primarily at the Notebook market. (as/ c't)

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  23. Expect nothing by Solus_corvus · · Score: 1

    I'd have to agree. All of this secrecy is causing quite a large number of people to get really anxious about the possibilities. In all reality we have little reason to belive this "product" will do anything, aside from the patents.

    From the patents we can derive quite a lot about what "it" is supposed to do, however because patents are public information, "it" might not be what transmeta is really doing. Transmeta is being really secretive thus the information in the patents is what transmeta wants us to "know". To take it one step further, transmeta could be working on anything, and the patents could be an attempt to mislead those who copy or stop them, or the patents could be on an auxiliary technology (ie. supporting chipset).

    My friend and I joke about what transmeta is really doing, we have concluded that they are making chips that will power the next generation of washing machines. Don't expect anything from transmeta. I'm not saying they are making vapor, I'm just saying that if you don't expect anything you will be nicely supprised when they make the awesome chip you never expected :)

  24. German Humour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >by the way one Wednesday, no " Friday "
    Kind of ironic that the only part of the translation that makes any kind of sense is the joke bit at the end :)

  25. Transmeta - Linux - JAVA?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3

    Isn't this going to be capable of becoming a JAVA OS.
    If it stores the machine instruction set in a local cache and runs it from there.. Well that seems to be exactly what JAVA would need to have a Java-Chip.
    Considering it's low power consumption it would make an excellent candidate for the jini - appliance environment as well as the PC. Add to that the potential JAVA chip concept and you have the Jini Project from Sun sitting in your lap.

    1. Re:Transmeta - Linux - JAVA?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah it's just gona be slow as hell.

  26. It doesn't work with all browsers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    My IE 5.0 loads the page 5 MINUTES and then CRASHES! There must be an EMAIL WORM on the page! I think I have to install a SERVICE PACK from BILL!

    1. Re:It doesn't work with all browsers! by Mawbid · · Score: 1

      Are you the guy who makes all these really strange fortunes? :-)
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    2. Re:It doesn't work with all browsers! by rmull · · Score: 1

      Ziggy! I've found you at last!

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  27. English translation by jw3 · · Score: 1
    Well, I don't think my translation is in much better English than the babelfishes one, but... - oh well, I'll have a try. Here it comes:

    The rumour says that the mysterious processor company Transmeta will eventually anounce the release date of their awaited processor on the first day of Comdex - 15th November - as earlier stated by Transmeta-coworker, Linus Torvalds. However, a message got through to the editorial board of c't, stating that the processor - codenamed "Crusoe" - will be presented on January, 19th 2000 (which is, by the way, a Wednesday, and not a Friday). Crusoe, which is supposed to have a low energy uptake, is believed to be aimed at the laptop market.
    Regards,

    Babeluary

  28. Crusoe, easy to confirm... by Chexum · · Score: 1

    Just search for transmeta on the uspto.gov web site among the *trademarks*... (BTW: it can be long known from the maniac rumour monger yours truly here in this Linux Today article...)

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    1. Re:Crusoe, easy to confirm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Uhm, exactly what does this mean in their trademark registration?:
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      Serial Number: 75422458

      Registration Number: (NOT AVAILABLE)

      Trademark (words only): TRANSMETA

      Current Status: An office action making FINAL a refusal to register the mark has been mailed.
      ^^^^^
      Date of Status: 1999-08-05

      Filing Date: 1998-01-23


      CURRENT OWNERS

      1. Transmeta Corporation

      GOODS AND SERVICES

      computers; computer operating systems; computer hardware; computer peripherals; integrated circuits; semiconductors; printed circuit boards; firmware; middleware;
      utility software; and application software for use in connection with computers systems, computer hardware, computer peripherals, integrated circuits, semiconductors, and
      printed circuit boards


      PROSECUTION HISTORY

      1999-08-05 - FINAL REFUSAL MAILED

      1999-05-03 - COMMUNICATION RECEIVED FROM APPLICANT

      1998-11-03 - NON-FINAL ACTION MAILED

      1998-10-20 - ASSIGNED TO EXAMINER

      1998-10-20 - ASSIGNED TO EXAMINER
      --

      Does this mean Transmeta Corp. is up a creek without a paddle on the trademarks or does it mean that they can't get a trademark for vaporware?

    2. Re:Crusoe, easy to confirm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      vaporware->venture capital->fast cars

  29. VM on the fly on a chip on a wing and a prayer by clarkma · · Score: 3

    So Transmeta are finally going to be ready to *say* something. The funny thing is that their patents are quite revealing about what they're up to - a speeded up version of the self-modifying FPGA technology that has occasionally spawned 'new era' claims. I'm not saying that their chip is just an FPGA, but that the effect is meant to be much the same: a metamicrocode that can be optimised in near-real time by a JIT-like (or is dynamic compiler a better term than JIT?) compiler and scheduler.

    Please though, don't beleive all the speed hype. Remember, it was a year ago or so when 1GHz sounded astonishing, but now it's almost boring for those chiller guys. The thing is going to be *flexible* not *necessarily* fast.

    Curiosity killed the cat, but who ever saw a cat reading a patent application?

    .sig thingy

    1. Re:VM on the fly on a chip on a wing and a prayer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1 ghz never sounded astonishing, back in amiga days when we have had Devcon docs and pages by motorolo on future 680x0 chips, post 68060 + and beyond, (back in 1993 here) they said back then that their cpus based on technology plans and micron sizes etc... are headed for 1000mhz by late 1999 or early 2000.

      They are right on schedule! nothiong is amazing, everything is run on a 5-7 year time frame plan.

      You can only do SO MUCH with human minds in a 24hr period and 6month period.

  30. German translation by aUser · · Score: 0

    Ho ho, I think all the criticism on the Babelfish translation is unwarranted.

    To tell you the truth, the bad translation is much clearer to me than the original German text, because I don't speak German at all, but I was able make up out of the bad translation what the intended meaning was.

    What's more, Babelfish wins on counts of being available, right now, without being perfect, but being quite helpful.

    Anybody who doesn't like the bad translation, should read the original German text instead or else shut up.

  31. Do the patents really reveal anything? by ebcdic · · Score: 3

    As has been pointed out elsewhere (comp.arch I think), the patents that are available on the net reflect what Transmeta was doing a couple of years ago, when the patents were filed. So don't be sure that they are central to their current plans.

    1. Re:Do the patents really reveal anything? by clarkma · · Score: 1

      Good point. It's pretty much all we've got to go on for the mo' though, so until more emerges...

  32. Some thoughts..... by Dacta · · Score: 3

    Had anyone else heard the rumor about the Transmeta chip being low power consumpion before? I sure hadn't, and to me, it doesn't mesh well with the idea that it can run multiple instruction sets.

    Surely this would require a large amount of memory, and isn't (fast) memory something of a killer for low powered devices?

    If Transmeta can produce something that emulates other architectures, and uses a comparable amount of power to the low power versions of those architectures, it has to be one of the most impressive breakthoughs ever.

    I do worry though - you know what they say -

    A chip can be fast, cheap or effecient - pick any two.

    Okay, I made up the quote, but I think it is slightly accurate at least, esp. in the early generations of a design.

    What else.... Oh yeah.

    If they are really going to announce this in January (or at Comdex), I don't think we will see it in use anywhere for a couple of year. If Tranmeta had contracts with fab plants somewhere, someone would have said something by now.

    I doubt very much if you can go down to your local chip maker, and say "We want you to switch your plant to making our funcky new designs - forget about this multi-billion dollar contract you have", so they can't just get manufacturing facilities like that. It takes a long time to build a fab plant, too, and it's not like you can just convert a derelic factory to a state of the art chip fabrication plant.

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    1. Re:Some thoughts..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Transmeta is THE uber-secretive company - If they signed with a fab, they no doubt are under contract to keep everything a secret.

    2. Re:Some thoughts..... by Dacta · · Score: 2

      I realize that, but while Transmeta people seem to keep their mouth shut because they really enjoy their work, do you really think some mid-level manager is going to care?

      Here Dave, make sure we have enought people to staff the canteen to server X people from 15 January.

      Oh, Okay Jim, what's happenening?

      We've just signed a new contract with some manufacture, but you can't tell anyone.

      - Infact you should probably have some factor in there for the motivation of them, too.

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    3. Re:Some thoughts..... by marcos76 · · Score: 1

      Nono :) Transmeta's cpu is a VLIW cpu. That means that MANY MANY transistors that in other architectures are devoted to out of order execution and/or superscalar esecution are not 'wasted' on transmeta's cpu. So, this mean less transistors and less power consumption. All the translation stuff is done by software (with hw aid), so complexity is moved out of the hw (cpu die) and moved into software. (emulators and compilers)

    4. Re:Some thoughts..... by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      to quote theregister

      That said, Transmeta's filed patents hint at technologies to make applications run
      considerably faster than they do now, at a given clock speed. So if you're willing to run them
      at standard speed, you could, we imagine, run the chip rather more slowly than your
      average PIII and thus make a big saving on power.

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    5. Re:Some thoughts..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guys guys guys. Does no one remember the "rumor" about IBM's involvement with Transmeta? They're coming...

    6. Re:Some thoughts..... by crackpot · · Score: 1
      It's not that difficult to develop a very confidential manufacturing relationship with a Taiwan based fab (i.e. TSMC, UMC, Mosel-Vitelic, ASE, Amkor, etc) to manufacture this product, particularly within the past twelve months.

      Until recently, when memory prices started gaining ground, these Taiwanese fabs were practically paying companies for their business. I have a client that developed relationships with two fabs in Taiwan to produce their first analog product and the market never had a clue during the entire product development process until the day of the press release.

      As you probably know these fabs went through huge capital spending programs to get leading-edge process technology only to be left hanging with much more capacity than they could utilize. As a result people were able to approach them early on and get long-term manufacturing commitments at reasonable cost.

      Experience tells me that in order to go this route you have to have someone in your organization that has very strong relationships with the Taiwanese, be they transplants from Taiwan or they have a history of working in that environment. Does anyone know if such people exist at Transmeta?

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    7. Re:Some thoughts..... by GrayArea · · Score: 1

      Here is some info on Trnasmeta's fab arrangements, though this is a bit dated:

      http://slashdot.org/articles/98 /09/26/1956233.shtml

      http://www.redherring.com/mag/issu e60/intel.html

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  33. Transmetta's fab by Lebo · · Score: 1

    Didn't I hear a rumor a while back that transmetta was talking to IBM about having them build whatever it is that they are developing? I very well might be mis-remembering, so take this with a grain of salt.

  34. What's all the fuss about by John+Bridges · · Score: 1

    Soft instruction sets ? That's gonna make it really easy for compiler writers - NOT.

    If you want to see truly excellent processor technology take a look at the ARM processors.
    www.arm.com

    Very low power, very fast and modular.

    For innovation look at the clockless designs they've prototyped - they're really funky - fast and use next to zero power.

    They're also Intel's biggest headache - having inherited the rights to the StrongArm they don't know what to do with it. It craps on all their processors and is CHEAP!


    1. Re:What's all the fuss about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It (the StrongARM processor) doesn't have an FPU. All FPU instructions have to be emulated in software. The only ARM processor that does have an FPU is the ARM7500FE, but this doesn't run at such a high clock speed.

  35. Primarily For Notebooks?!?! by cyberdonny · · Score: 1

    Does anybody else find it odd that this processor is being touted as "primarily for notebooks". If it is really the revolutionary beast that it is rumored to be, it would make much more sense to have it first on desktops than a notebook. Years after, when it will have replaced the Intel processors, we'll see it on notebooks, just as we have Intel compatible processors on notebooks now.

    1. Re:Primarily For Notebooks?!?! by dublin · · Score: 2

      Actually,no. Haven't you noticeda shift over the past few years to putting better technology into notebooks?

      Many OEMs (correctly, I think) see notebooks and even desktops derived from notebook technology like Gateway's Profile as the wave of the future. It's likely that conventional "desktop" technology will die off over the next few years.

      This will be a good thing - computers will get smaller, quieter, more power-efficient, more flat-panel-ready, and finally, the huge gap between notebook and desktop computing costs should close considerably.

      Notebook technology is the future...

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      "The future's good and the present is nothing to sneeze at." - Roblimo's last ./ post
    2. Re:Primarily For Notebooks?!?! by Pope · · Score: 1

      Don't forget how many companies are absolutely biting the big one on low-end desktops.
      Hell Packard Bell is out, IBM is out of direct-sales, etc.
      Laptops still offer a nice profit margin.

      Hell, if you're PC Magazine, you can then compare the $1599 iBook against a $2499 IBM ThinkPad and beleive it's fair! :P


      Pope

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    3. Re:Primarily For Notebooks?!?! by Ferzerp · · Score: 2

      A good thing???? Yes, just what I want, my cheap, very modular, and easily upgraded system to because an overpriced, very proprietary, stuck with it until I buy a new one because of no real upgradeability system. Forgive me for not agreeing. Yes, desktop computing costs and notebook costs would be more equal. but closer to the notebook side. That is expensive. Let's look at what you've said.
      smaller: Ok, I don't see the big deal here really, my tower isn't to big, and I *like* room inside to put whatever I want... Be that, 5 pci cards and 4 harddrives, or load it with fans if I desire....
      quieter: Once again, the sound is already negligable on most desktop/towers. The small gain is not, in my opinion worth the cost of swapping to laptop-type technology.
      more power-efficient: For the average home user who runs one system, the power the computer is drawing is not an issue. A business might like this, but I still don't think it is worth it.
      flat-panel ready: Huh? Ok, I think you may mean one of two things. You could mean the whole system will be in one small, flat panel. In this case this is the exact some poit as "smaller" and I've already addressed it. Or, you may mean flat panel monitors will be supported. Well, this is an absurd notion to think we should change the whole computer architechture for a problem that should be addressed in the video card.

      Anyone who wants a very high performance desktop picks and chooses *each* component to get the absolute best in all parts-- soundcard, video card, motherboard, processor, and even the case is scrutinized. If what you suggest were to come to fruition, all of this power is lost. We would be stuck with what dell, gateway, compaq, or whomever threw together in an attempt to get our business. I have never once been impressed with a large company predesigned computer, and I don't want to be forced to have one.

    4. Re:Primarily For Notebooks?!?! by James+Lanfear · · Score: 2

      OK, let me have a shot at this....

      Smaller: My case is ~2.5 feet tall, and is mostly empty (but useful) space.

      Quieter: 11 fans and 2 hds do not a quite computer make.

      blah blah blah....

      Anyway, you're missing the point. In fact, you're so far from the point I had to hike out to send this.

      PC's were in the same position a few years ago that you claim notebooks are in now. They were expensive, proprietary, difficult or impossible to upgrade, etc. Guess what? Things change. Now their (fairly) cheap, (mostly) open and (relatively) easy to upgrade. The same will come to pass in notebook tech as it migrates to the desktop. People will demand that their waffle sized computer have slots for their shiny new NV11, and some company will comply. Then they'll want to be able to upgrade processors, and another company will comply. And so on. If you're still looking for over-priced lock-ins, try the workstation market.

      Anyway, you can't stop it; the lower-end of the market demands it. The iMac is a laptop (Powerbook mobo's, etc) in a big colorful case, and people love it. Some are starting to complain about the limited upgrade path (i.e., none), and hopefully Apple will do something about that. The reason they're doing so well is that most people don't care about proprietariness; they want a computer that works, without having to know anything about it. That is what this tech will give them (though it's not really at any advantage over the current systems in this). However, this does not mean that we will *all* be using iMac's (see above paragraph).

      So, in five years, you'll see basically what you do now. Compaq, Gateway, Apple, etc. selling all-in-one miniPC's for the average consumer, while those of use with more refined tastes will order our Abit mobo's and Transmeta processors and slap together monstrously overpowered notebooks. I fail to see the downside. (Esp. if I can get dual processors, firewire and an NV1x in something I can take to LANparties in a backpack. ;-)

    5. Re:Primarily For Notebooks?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's something I've always wondered: Would it really be so difficult to create a modular notebook computer case? You'd choose a case with the screen size and quality you'd want, and there would be a standardized motherboard size/shape, maybe a sockets for a graphics CPU and it's RAM (because we obviously can't put whole cards in...). But you'd put the RAM, gfx processor, video RAM, sound chip and all onto the notebook form factor motherboard, slap it in the case, and screw the top on. Then you'd slide in your standardized hard drives, CDROMs, batteries and whatever into the drive bays. Maybe make the sound card a PCMCIA card... and any other peripheral a normal PC would have in a PCI slot. I'm sure a laptop built even this way would cost more than a desktop system (due to miniaturization costs and such), but it would probably be both cheaper than available premade laptops, and better (being that you'd be able to choose your own components).

      Of course, I could just be crazy :P

    6. Re:Primarily For Notebooks?!?! by goon · · Score: 1
      while those of use with more refined tastes will order our Abit mobo's and Transmeta processors and slap together monstrously overpowered notebooks.

      In essence I can see where your coming from... but who makes cheap open note books that you can specify the parts? While notebooks may get cheaper, I don't know of any manufacturers that allow you to say, hey I want a,
      • -IntelPIII CPU

      • -BX200 mb
        -256Mb Ram
        -20Gb IBM HD
        -17" Viewsonic monitor
        -duel head AGP G400 Matrox card
        -2 extra fans...

      In 5 years I reckon I'll still be buying a beige box with upgraded interior. Much like I did when i last bought my PC back in '94. Cheaper maybe, portable, open and exotic... we'll see.

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    7. Re:Primarily For Notebooks?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Conventional desktop will die off in the next few years???

      HAHAHAHA show me a laptop that i can hook up 5 dangling drives and 8 to swaps then i'll buy a "laptop". My current laptop is a 286 with 640k RAM.

    8. Re:Primarily For Notebooks?!?! by James+Lanfear · · Score: 1

      *thump*

      I never said you could do it *now*; in fact, I said you can't, agreeing with the previous post. But if this idea catches on, and apparently it has, then you *will* be able to in, say, five years. (Or one or two, if we're lucky.)

      This is exactly what happened with PC's. A few years ago (well, several) you basically had a built-in everything--graphics, sound, processors, etc--or if you were lucky, a marginally compatable slot or two. As the demand for modular, standardized systems grew, this began to change, bringing us to the (more or less) open systems we have today.

      My point was that as the notebook-as-desktop idea catches on, people will demand the same degree of modularity and standardization, and the manufacturers will meet this demand. There's a large enough population of gamers alone to support the companies that go this route. (As I said, I would love a notebook that could run Evolva at a decent frame-rate, even if it was a little pricy.)

    9. Re:Primarily For Notebooks?!?! by goon · · Score: 1

      My point was that as the notebook-as-desktop idea catches on, people will demand the same degree of modularity and standardization, and the manufacturers will meet this demand.

      okay I can buy into this one. Standards might take some time to settle (maybe 2-4 product cycles). I dearly would like to see say a Dell or IBM lead with such market using their online e-commerce sytems and allowing customers to custom make their laptops (post desktop machines) thus creating demand as you observed.

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  36. replies by Hard_Code · · Score: 2

    There are two replies to this article that are rather interesting. Follow the links containing:

    No boards (nevertheless!), and faster despite cheaper (x, 11,11,1999)

    (Enlish butcherization)

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  37. Question... by LLatson · · Score: 1

    Here's a question for people who know more than me:

    Suppose Transmeta actually does have a really cool new chip. Obviously they are going to need some help developing software (compilers, etc.) for it. I assume that's where Linus fits in. But seeing as the trend these days is to get Linux to run on everything from the Palm Pilot to old 286's, don't you think that Linus would be at least slightly interested in developing a Linux kernel for this thing...

    So my question is: does he have a Linux kernel? Can he develop code for it and keep it secret from the rest of the community? Is 2.4 going to support this chip?

    LL

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    1. Re:Question... by hazydave · · Score: 3
      From a read of the patents, from other more open work at other companies, it's fairly clear that if Transmeta is really making a CPU (they have tried to deny it without really denying it, I think they are), what they have is a VLIW engine of some kind with lots of hardware support designed to allow it to run not just a popular instruction set (say, x86) as fast as you'd expect a modern CPU to run this, but also emulate the hardware subsystem. So they could release a thing that looks and behaves like a PC, but actually doesn't have either x86 or a real PC architecture living down below. You all know this is possible; x86 emulators have lived on 68K, PPC, SPARC, etc. machines for years. The Transmeta stuff would make it fast, say, 50% or so of the native CPU speed.

      The Linux connection (strongly hinted at by Jim Collas, former President of Gateway's Amiga division, when I spoke to him about the various AmigaNG rumors) is, of course, Linus himself. But the coolness factor is this: here we have a CPU, running emulated instructions as fast as some version of the Pentium II/III, and doing it cheaper and with much less power. Only the first one is new work -- it's easy to find CPUs that run faster than PII/IIIs using less power (PowerPC, for example). The thing is, the x86 code runs at 1/2 or so of the native Transmeta CPU core speed, perhaps based on the limits of their dynamic recompiler, the loss of abstraction in binary code, etc. What about native code?

      The modern trick in all this, same thing Sun's doing with MAJC, is to make the idea of a VLIW processor legit by never tying a system to native binaries. You run x86 or Java Byte Code or whatever through a translator, and when the machine architecture, and thus instruction set, change, you build a new translator, everything's hunky-dorey code wise, and you get to forget entirely about hardware legacy. But Linux and other open source stuff doesn't have a binary legacy problem, period. So there's no problem in coding Linux native, and if you did this, Linux would run twice as fast, relatively, as any closed source OS on this platform. The need for Linus on this would be building a mixed code manager for Linux, so that the kernel could cooperate actively with the dynamic translator and run your choice of x86, native, or other code modules (full-speed Java, etc).

      This is the last layer of HW abstration. Some day, all CPUs may be built this way.

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  38. Apache and linux by QuMa · · Score: 2

    According to netcraft, transmeta runs apache and linux (Who would have guessed ;-) ). But it runs apache 1.1.1! Isn't that risking it a bit, even if there is nothing to hide on that box?

  39. Linux source code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone know if Linus has managed to smuggle a secret message about Transmeta into the Linux source yet?

    1. Re:Linux source code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe someone could do some bible-code analysis on the kernel source? along with various portents about the end of the world and hitler, you may find something about transmeta.

  40. Tricorders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So..... the transmeta processor is to be the "heart" of the tricorder :-)

  41. because MacOS is closed by arielb · · Score: 1

    and only runs on Apple hardware

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  42. NT anyone? by XNormal · · Score: 1

    Remember that Microsoft's Paul Allen is one of the major investors in Transmeta. And I definitely remember seeing somewhere that the Transmeta CPU is supposed to run Windows NT as its primary target.

    My guess would be that they are writing a new HAL and recompiling the performance-critical parts to native code. You can afford to run MSWord in emulation. Even your soundcard driver won't mind too much.

    Now all that remains is to get a few CPU-hogging killer apps like Lightwave or Adobe Premiere to recompile to Transmeta native code. A really fast JVM would make a Transmeta box an attractive middleware application server, too.

    But I am definitely looking forward to a linux kernel that can execute both i386 and transmeta executables...
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  43. Re:The *real* translation by eyeball · · Score: 0

    Troll!?! Sheesh! I try to liven up the lives of a few people with a little laugh and what do I get? Damn, I actually thought my post was a little witty. Did someone actually take me seriously?

    Is it that sarcasm now frowned upon on slashdot? 'Jeeze, I hope so!' (That was sarcasm)

    Or maybe someone of the Jewish persuasion was offended, in which case I have a few things to tell you: I'm Jewish, nazism affected more than just jews, and lighten up!

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  44. Other reasons "low power" is a win by Lumpish+Scholar · · Score: 2

    A lot of /.'ers hear "low power" chip and think "laptops." Don't be so limited.

    Obviously, low power chips are good for any battery-powered applications: PDAs, cell phones, devices we haven't thought of yet.

    Low power chips are also important when you have a lot of them. Say, for the sake of argument, the Transmeta chip is very well suited to parallel processing, maybe massively parallel processing. You'd have a lot of such chips in one box. You'd want low power chips, both to reduce power consumption and to ease the cooling requirements. I presume low power chips also generate less EMF.

    For example, along these lines, low power chips are useful in the telecommunications market. I've been associated (loosely) with some hardware that needed to be redesigned to have more fans. One customer was the electric company's third biggest customer in that city (and you've heard of the city and the two bigger customers).

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    1. Re:Other reasons "low power" is a win by Cuisinart · · Score: 1

      Linus has been saying for quite a while he sees Linux being big in embedded computing systems and appliances. If these rumors about Transmeta releasing a low-power chip are true, could this chip be the killer chip for embedded designs running Linux?

    2. Re:Other reasons "low power" is a win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does the term "Exotic Hardware" chime in? ...

  45. I'm pretty sure it's just rumor by Ted+V · · Score: 2

    I'm pretty sure it's just rumor. If they were actually close enough to start constructing the chip itself, they'd have a patent for that. Once all the patents are in order I'll start considering the truth of these rumors.

  46. I also did not know... by ChozSun · · Score: 1

    ... that they are running a Shoutcast server.

    Go fig!


    Joe

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    1. Re:I also did not know... by QuMa · · Score: 1

      Shoutcast? What shoutcast? I can't find any references to shoutcast or icecast, or any cast for that matter.

  47. Perhaps some history by nebular · · Score: 1

    The author who wrote Robinson Crusoe also wrote Gulliver's travels, which was a play on the word Gullible, since most people believed that his stories were true. Robinson Crusoe was one of these stories since travel journal stories were popular at the time. Keeping this in mind I have to wonder if this is just another rumor being passed off as truth.

    1. Re:Perhaps some history by Porky+Pig · · Score: 2

      Absolute nonsense. These are two diferent authors - Jonathan Swift and Daniel Defoe.

      OK, just notice you're from Canada. You're forgiven, my son. Being from Canada is a good excuse ...

      --
      Grunt. Oink, oink.
    2. Re:Perhaps some history by AMK · · Score: 1

      Bzzt! Wrong, thank you for playing, but Daniel Defoe wrote Robinson Crusoe, while Jonathan Swift wrote Gulliver's Travels.

  48. Re: Linux kernel versions by Omniscient+Ferret · · Score: 1

    Hasn't anyone else wondered if there is a connection between Linus' change of attitude towards minor kernel numbers and his work at Transmeta?
    Compared to the development time of the 2.1 kernel, the following pace is downright breakneck; 2.1 was released in 1996, but 2.2 and 2.3 were released in 1999, and 2.4 might appear by year's end. Would a port to Crusoe (the Transmeta platform) be justification for kernel release 3.0, despite being one port of several? At this pace, 2.9 is surprisingly close.
    Forgive me if this seems naive or just dumb. I am not a kernel developer, and I do not work for Transmeta - ha! I wish I did.

  49. Bigger is better! by kinesis · · Score: 1

    Two comments.

    smaller is better

    The other reason why smaller isn't really better is that if you put your components in a huge enclosure (like the Supermicro SC801-A ) you've got oodles of room for fans, elaborate vapor-phase cooling devices, PCI cards, drives and alien technology.

    more power efficient is better

    I agree with the original poster. I didn't realize how much it was costing me to leave The Beast powered up at night. Answer: Enough to make me turn it off before I go to bed.

    The other reason why it's good to be power efficient is that it's easier to overclock a processor with low-voltage requirements than a processor with high-voltage requirements. (At least I think that's right...)

  50. translating some of the talkbacks... by the+original+m0nk · · Score: 1

    ...through babelfish produces some humerous results: "Linux is an as far as possible stink-normal Unix."

    feed this url http://www.ix.de/newsticker/forum/go.shtml?read=1& g=19991110as000&msg=95
    through babelfish

  51. Name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It also reveals the apparent code name: Crusoe.

    I'm terribly disappointed - I was SURE they were going to call it the TMA-1... :)

  52. hmmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    im thinking. low powered = low heat. what if the design is very multiprocessor friendly. what if you could stack them like lego bricks. snapping more on for more power. i dunno. am i crazy?

    1. Re:hmmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      perhaps. But it also might produce very high heat by skimping on cooling all together in order to attain higher efficiency. Oh, and standard chips ARE designed to not heat up to much, but transmeta's might not be... On the other hand, it might by hyper-efficient and run on phospherous...

  53. I beg to differ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > makes me wonder what the heck Intel and all their capital were doing designing the inflexible Itanium, which executes its native
    > (and sure to be poorly supported except for network/server apps for at least a year or two till prices come down remarkably) instructions with Alpha-killing speed but chokes on anything else

    Well, perhaps they are trying to make a really, really fast CPU. It's difficult to optimize for "any kind of ISA anyone can think of". Also, there are all sorts of different views of how to make a really, really fast CPU. Witness the different philosophies of Itanium (many execution units, complex compiler), Sun MAJC (thread-level parallelism), IBM Power4 (lots and lots of memory and I/O bandwidth) and Alpha (clockspeed, dynamic reordering). I'm not saying this alleged Transmeta design is bad idea, just that it is a bit premature to judge the merits of a design noone has seen...yet, against a design that hasn't been released...yet. Let us just wait and see what Transmeta is aiming for here.

    Besides, I doubt Itanium will be "poorly supported", on the contrary there has never been any new ISA with the kind of support Itanium has, like it or not.

    By the way there are already CPU:s with "programmable instruction set". See for instance www.imsys.se, they have a small embedded cpu which can be loaded with a microcoded Java VM, or whatever you like it to do for the moment.

    1. Re:I beg to differ... by Sir_Winston · · Score: 1

      >Besides, I doubt Itanium will be "poorly
      >supported", on the contrary there has never been
      >any new ISA with the kind of support Itanium has,
      >like it or not.

      Price points have already been discussed, and of course this being Chipzilla it's likely that prices will be higher than we've been led to believe. Like it or not, Merced will be squarely for servers and high-end workstations for a while. Meaning, most desktop apps will not be available on Itanium for a while--Willamette is supposed to be the successor to the current P!!!, not Merced and McKinley, so there's little incentive for most desktop consumer-based companies to port all their apps to the new architecture when the new architecture is for servers. Face it: what Intel wants to do is feed us the same old stuff while devoting most of their R&D to an architecture too expensive for 95% of us. That's why the only reason Intel has sped up their schedule for evolving consumer P!!! to .18 micron and tweaking it a bit is the pressure Athlon puts on Intel. Without AMD, we'd be waiting a long, long time to see Intel advance anything for consumer-oriented processors. Intel simply doesn't care about innovating in the consumer market. Keep on wishing, but Itanium ain't for us--it's for the same market that purchases UltraSparcs and current-generation high end Alphas.

      --


      "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws."--Tacitus, *The Annals*
    2. Re:I beg to differ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right (especially about the Athlon), but that was not the point I was trying to make. I was answering a post saying, basically, that the Itanium architecture is a dead end. I wasn't at all talking about consumer-oriented processors. My point was:

      1) Maybe the Itanium really is a dead end, but it's far too soon to say. The Itanuim is made for speed, and a fixed-ISA design might be easier to optimize for speed. We must wait until the cpu:s are released before we pass such judgment.

      2) "Poor support" is not likely to restrict sales to Intels intended customers (mostly server/workstation, as you pointed out) since those kinds of applications will be / already are ported. Therefore, it might not be all that important for Intel to be able run all ISAs in existence.

      Furthermore, I was only trying to make a point regarding CPU architecture, not business practice and the various methods Intel use to rip us of :(

  54. Why does everyone assume Linux is involved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK so you have a company that is making a new chip and a guy who know how to make an OS on a multitude of chips, thats great but why assume that this new chip is going to run linux? If it does i doubt that it will be optimized for linux. A more probible is that transmedia is having linus write a new OS from scratch since then a optimized linux kernel wouldent have to be released for this chip. If a linux kernel is released then every 2-bit chipmaker (Intel) can understand exactly how this chip works. Just linus works for thease guys dont assume their gonna be our saivours and linux will take us to the promised land.

  55. Just speculating about Crusoe architecture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think that Crusoe can be just a RISC/EPIC/VLIW/WHATEVER device with very good support for emulation: support for big/little endianess, capable of misaligned memory access, irregular size instruction decoder (good for x86, java bytecode, etc...), big L1 cache memory to fit Linux kernel and emulation micro-instructions. Some attempts have been made to emulate the x86, but I think they are much too slow, because the host cpu is big endian, or can't support misalignment, or has to deal with decode on runtime in a clumsy way. There must be some pipelines built in Crusoe devoted to prefetch and translate x86 or other insns (depending on microcode software uploaded onto the chip), others to execute translated instructions, etc ... Does any of these things make any sense to you ?

  56. Abstraction layer by dialect · · Score: 1

    Heres a random thought...

    Computer languages are really just a useful convention providing an abstraction layer that a compiler translates to machine instructions. In some applications, I wonder if its possible to eliminate an abstraction layer with the transmeta architecture and "compile" to a customized instruction set instead of a given machine instruction set (virtual or otherwise)

    e.g. Suppose I wanted to create a router. Instead of writing source code that is translated to machine code which is translated by the transmeta chip. Could I write an instruction set that defines "router" instructions?

    Practically speaking, current compiler technology / language specification isn't setup to handle this paradigm, at least with my limited understanding. But why not have a X-window instruction set and a html instruction set? In a way, the protocol becomes the insruction set.

    Of course, if you do this, I think you'd might be tying yourself to machine architecture again -- hmm, maybe not...

    Well, what do people think -- flame away.



  57. idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The patents don't say anything about FPGAs.

  58. Well, try your imagination by Anonymous+Bullard · · Score: 1

    Imagine yourself shipwrecked on an uninhabited semi-paradise island on the Pacific knowing there were similarly shipwrecked wickedly wonderful geekgrrls on a neighbouring island but there were no physical means of getting there... Since you only managed to rescue the only items of any importance to you - a notebook and a solar panel - you'd want to waste no time setting up a chat connection to that real-paradise island.

    Before setting out on that perilous Pacific cruise you had read on Slashdot about someone called Gilligan Bates (also known as Billigan) - a former billionaire who had found himself stranded on that very same island a few months earlier. Like you, he had also managed to hang on to his beloved laptop. But his was a new Pentium model running Windows Y2K. The bloated OS ran - when it wasn't sporting a blue screen - barely half an hour per recharge; and it always took more than half a day to get the battery full anyway. Worse, since everything from MS-Office down had been integrated into one humongous bundle most of that productive half hour got spent on operating the HD, and running MS-Diagnostics after bluescreens. Not that Billigan was even interested in the grrls across the straits - he was too small and limb to have found the courage to even wave at them - but he was desperate for a Word from the outside world on the situation of his declining worth. Well, the value of his declining stock fortune anyway. But none of the proprietary protocols newly-integrated into his software had been adopted by the near-by islanders so he couldn't even communicate with anyone. Before banging his head against a trunk of a palm tree til the final bluescreen got to _him_, he had carved one final message on lid of his laptop. It said: "These bloody savages, so obviously happy and care-free, must have been using free software and open protocols that weren't included in my all proprietary preload setup. God, oh god, I miss the preloading civilization! And cause I'm getting ever smaller and limber by the hour, I can't even reach the bananas any longer. The end is nigh..."

    Thinking about the poor Billigan makes your grin ever wider. You plug in the solar panel, boot a few days old revision of MandHat and in half hour you've created a wireless LAN and started hacking your way through your favourite project while chatting with the increasingly interested geekgrrls from the other island. You look at the power gauge and, after an hour it tells you're at 90% and holding steady. As you start recompiling the kernel and one of the geekgrrls has started to become intimate online you laugh aloud. Not because the grrl told you that there aren't any bananas on their island, but because you know it really paid off to get that cheapo laptop with a curiously named CPU - Crusoe.

    --

    Should invading one's peaceful neighbours be opposed, or rewarded with trade deals?

  59. Transmeta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If everyone would white board every comment in this discussion, do research as to whom Transmeta's "Clients" are (as per various Websites), it would become clear what they are doing. I know the questions/comments during an interview with them were very interesting...

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    --
    Interested in open source engine management for your Subaru?
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  61. Assumptions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've noticed a few posts up an down the board saying that it would be impossible for Transmeta to release hardware anytime soon beacause they don't own/have acsess to the nessicary fabrication facilites. That is all based on the assumption that Transmetas product will be manufactured using tradidional methods. What if the reason for all the secrcy is that they have some sort of revolutionary fabrication technology (Organic?) that will allow them to produce cheeply , quickly , and efficently? What do you guys think?

  62. If it wasn't Linus? by sspiff · · Score: 1

    Would anyone on Slashdot give a damn?

    My guess is probably not.

    Can you say "vaporware"?!? I knew you could!

  63. Me birthday present... by homunq · · Score: 1

    That's my birthday, and how appropriate:

    One chip to rule them all
    One chip to mock them
    One chip to bring them all
    and in its circuits overclock them


    Wait... so what does that make Linus?

  64. Linus' boys _can_ swim... by warrior · · Score: 1

    Linus already has children, he was proudly showing off his daughter at Linuxworld in San Jose.

    Mike

    --
    Intel transfer the difficult from Hadware to software, for get more power, programmer need more technology. -- chinaitn
  65. Re:Don't need a fab? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Of course without a manufacturing facility they wouldn't be the first processor company in the world without a fabrication plant.

    For example ARM ltd are a relatively successful company whose core business is designing processors (the ARM is popular in portable embedded applications because it has very good grunt/amps ratio and very good code density) without ever having produced a chip in their whole existence. They license their designs to companies that make yer actual silicon.

  66. Re: Linux kernel versions by roomfull+of+blues · · Score: 1

    I'm not much of a kernel developer myself, but this is my understanding of the pace of development (from interviews, linux journal, etc.):

    Linus seems to say that the reason 2.2 development slowed down was because of all the new attention linux was getting--new developers and all. He wanted to 'play it safe' while in the spotlight so no mess ups would ruin linux. (love the media, huh?)

    But now that linux has decent SMP, RAID, etc. it's relatively safe to 'go breakneck' with the development.

    Besides, linux will run on Crusoe under the x86 emulation if not in it's native tongue.

  67. Transmeta: The True Story by roomfull+of+blues · · Score: 1

    Your right, this secrecy thing is starting to get kind of annoying. But you are wrong about what they are *really* doing.

    Back in the 40's, at Roswell, New Mexico, an alien spacecraft crashed during a storm. The reason was that their flight control computer crashed when "Mega-Shift Galactic Traveler" (hmmm...) crashed into a green screen of death. So, anyways, the military finds them and brings them to a base and... ooops... I can't talk about it. To make a long, twisted, secret story short, the aliens just said "wait".

    50 years later, in the 1990's, the aliens come back to life as executives at a startup chip designing firm, which, for the sake of taste, will remain nameless. They say they want a new computer system that will run anything without crashing, so they enlist the help of the planet's best computer programmer, who will also remain nameless. Unfortunately, according to their plans, they attract alot of attention because of the programmer they hired. Quoted from a private interview, one of the aliens stated, "We want a chip because the earth is despicable and we want out." Other than this, they were unavailable for comment.

    They had to give the press something, so they gave them the plans for their original computer that left them stranded here.

    They eventually design and manufacture their chip, which becomes a big hit in the portable computer market, though it left people wondering why. "Wasn't this supposed to be powerfull?" they all said. What they didn't know is that it was designed to be portable so they could bring it back to their mother ship without needing a big space-semi. They also didn't know that it received the majority of it's design inspiration from the 4004. Yes, that's right, the 4004.

    It looks like the aliens are in for a long stay.
    (That's kind of a "trans-mental" story, don't you say?)

  68. Re:Protest! by jw3 · · Score: 1
    For those humour challenged /. moderators - OK, so that wasn't a very good joke - but that wasn't a troll either. My name is January. Fullstop.


    Regards,


    January

  69. Decoding Transmeta by jokir · · Score: 1

    Well- looking over the thread...some theories.

    1) Website: Why Crusoe? This is obviously a marketing thing...it is NOT a codename. And what does it mean? Well, Crusoe was stranded on an island all by himself- but he recreated his lifestyle using the materials at hand. Draw your own conclusions, but I think it is basically saying- "Don't worry about the rest of the world...with our processor you can recreate everything you need..."

    2) Patents: if anybody actually read some of the patents (hobby, anyone??) that Transmeta has filed, you can read between the lines and see that they are definitely working on something that involves wrapping one processor inside another one- or "simulating" one processor on another one. But I actually think they are going one step further- instead of simulating a processor, why not have a processor that is "generic" enough that the software is conned into thinking that it IS the processor. Comments?