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CLICKBAIT VIDEO SPAM
This article is a video rehash of a 6-month-old yearly survey.
What you're looking for is here: https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-in... -
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IIRC & correct me IF need be... apk
See subject: Wasn't "System 9" MacOS (or was it Apple's "DOS") done in Pascal my FAV 'weapon-of-choice' for:
APK Hosts File Engine 2.0++ 64-bit for Linux h t t p : / / a p k . i t - m a t e . c o . u k / A P K H o s t s F i l e E n g i n e F o r L i n u x . z i p
APK Hosts File Engine 10++ SR-1 32/64-bit for Windows https://hosts-file.net/?s=Down...
* Soon for MacOS (via a NEW Mac-Mini to port it I just got)
Chosen by "yours truly" in a program for security & Object Pascal has NO null-term'd string-related bufferoverflows C/C++ can minus stdstring & speed 2 ways blocking ads + hardcoded favs you spend most time @ vs. slowing you as other "so-called 'solutions'" do using MORE & doing LESS (addons) that're security-issue plagued (AntiVirus & DNS)!
PROVEN FASTER in 1997 VB Programmer's Journal issue "Inside the VB5 Compiler" DOUBLING even MSVC++ in math + by 5x in strings.
APK
P.S.=> #11 on TIOBE https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-in... as far as #6 & NEVER out of the top 20
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FACTS vs. your LIES #1/2
1.) Users disagree w/ you by DOZENS https://tech.slashdot.org/comm...
2.) ObjectPascal (no buffer overflow null-term'd bufferoverflow is possible & its faster in strings (hosts are stringwork largely)) is #12/20 on the TIOBE index (& has never left top 20 since 2001) - FAR from "arcane" (like C++, it's a classic here to stay) https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-in... + Pascal's proven FASTER than C++ on stringwork (~4-5x so & in math too).
3.) I've used Linux & *NIX before you were BORN most likely (*NIX thru the 80's & Linux on/off since 1994)
4.) Windows version doesn't need anymore work (see #1 reviews of it above).
5.) see #1 above for EXACT QUOTES registered
/.ers stated6.) BSD version IS done in latest Linux model (BSD keeps binary compatiblity w/ Linux afaik).
7.) My source was audited by Steven Burn of Malwarebytes (not some amateur) who hosts it & recommends it also
APK
P.S.=> Part #2/2 https://news.slashdot.org/comm... & it's obvious you FEAR me resorting to lies & hiding by unidentifiable anonymous... apk
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FACTS vs. your LIES #1/2
1.) Users disagree w/ you by DOZENS https://tech.slashdot.org/comm...
2.) ObjectPascal (no buffer overflow null-term'd bufferoverflow is possible & its faster in strings (hosts are stringwork largely)) is #12/20 on the TIOBE index (& has never left top 20 since 2001) - FAR from "arcane" (like C++, it's a classic here to stay) https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-in...
3.) I've used Linux & *NIX before you were BORN most likely (*NIX thru the 80's & Linux on/off since 1994)
4.) Windows version doesn't need anymore work (see #1 reviews of it above).
5.) see #1 above for EXACT QUOTES registered
/.ers stated6.) BSD version IS done in latest Linux model (BSD keeps binary compatiblity w/ Linux afaik).
7.) My source was audited by Steven Burn of Malwarebytes (not some amateur) who hosts it & recommends it also
APK
P.S.=> Part #2/2 coming & it's obvious you FEAR me resorting to lies & hiding by unidentifiable anonymous... apk
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FACTS vs. your LIES #1/2
1.) Users disagree w/ you by DOZENS https://tech.slashdot.org/comm...
2.) ObjectPascal is #12/20 on the TIOBE index https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-in... (& has never left top 20 since 2001) - FAR from "arcane" (like C++, it's a classic here to stay).
3.) I've used Linux & *NIX before you were BORN most likely (*NIX thru the 80's & Linux on/off since 1994)
4.) Windows version doesn't need anymore work (see #1 reviews of it above).
5.) See #1 above for EXACT QUOTES registered
/.ers stated6.) BSD version IS done in latest Linux model (BSD keeps binary compatiblity w/ Linux afaik).
7.) My source was audited by Steven Burn of Malwarebytes (not some amateur) who hosts it & recommends it also
APK
P.S.=> Part #2/2 https://science.slashdot.org/c...
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Why's it #12/20 on the TIOBE index?
Why's it #12/20 on the TIOBE index https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-in... & never left top 20 since 2001? It's a GREAT CHOICE for the project I used it for (lots of string processing) due to its speed & security in string processing.
Again (as I said it before earlier) Delphi Object Pascal took 4/6 tests (in a competing trade mag no less) in Sept/Oct Visual Basic Programmer's Journal 1997 issue titled "Inside the VB5 Compiler" where it BEAT MSVC++ by FAR in string processing (like by 4-5x times) & in math (by double iirc) & only lost 1 test (as did C++) to VB (ActiveX form loads, no biggie, as ActiveX is known security poison) & tied C++ in 1 test.
* I chose it for my hosts engine https://it.slashdot.org/commen... because Object Pascal has length built-into strings & thus NO null-terminated C/C++ buffer overflow exploit possibles can happen due to that - Especially in a program GEARED MOSTLY FOR SECURITY (though hosts also give you added speed not only in adblocking but also local resolution).
APK
P.S.=> That answer your question? Oh, I think so (I know so)... apk
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What about all the other top dev.tool lists
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TIOBE Index shows my fav CLIMBING
TIOBE Index shows my fav in Object Pascal CLIMBING & it never ever left the top 20 since inception in Delphi (now I'm into FreePascal + Lazarus) https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/
I use it with GOOD reason (making the web faster/safer/more reliable vs. INFERIOR competition (DNS/Antivirus/Firewalls/Addons)) VIA APK Hosts File Engine 2.0++ for Linux 64-bit https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12209260&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&pid=56754750/
NO single 1 of them does MORE for much less as hosts do & are they full of bugs/inefficiencies (or souled-out NOT to work by default (addons)) + complexity that get them nigh constantly exploited!
APK
P.S.=> Java & Javascript (yes, I've used both in academia & professionally - was FORCED to) seriously STINK - full of bugs or constant misuses + INTERPRETED slow crap... apk
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Re:An opportunity missed
The overall Java decline since at least 2002, aside from the 2015/2016 bubble
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attempt at positive response.insomnia sucks...
Get something working (even if it only is 1% of what the real thing is supposed to do.) put it up on github.com. Make sure the build/test environment works on Linux, because that's where likely contributors are. Tell people about it. If it really is a world-changing idea, someone will care, and may contribute.
I have done a handful of open source projects. I'm convinced some of them are really cool, but they're niche, and it is very rare to get any help. In Startup jargon, they talk about *minimum viable product*. To make something attractive, so others will join, they need to see it as immediately doing something for them. I think you need to get your product to an MVP state before you start trying to get others to help.
If you cannot get working code on your own, then forget it. No-one will even understand what you project is about. Talking, explaining , etc... is very difficult. Show, don't tell applies in software. Getting *something* working also makes you learn a lot about the idea, and explore it and understand it better yourself.
Somebody mentioned bison and yacc. Those are tools that date back to the seventies when DSL's (Domain Specific Languages) were fashionable, they are about 90% of what you need to build a compiler. They have been used to build thousands of DSL's and would very likely be good enough to build an initial product, and you will learn a lot. If you still think it is a good idea after building the initial compiler, then great! Another approach would be to build the compiler in a *easy* language like python. This paper: https://legacy.python.org/work... outlines an approach to doing that.
So those are technical strategies for doing what you want to do. Personally I think inventing a new language is unlikely to be helpful. Programming languages are a means for people to talk to eachother very precisely. They go through exactly the same economic & network effects as human languages, and people are inventing human languages from time to time, and they don't catch on. Examples: Esperanto, or more recently, Toki Pona (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toki_Pona) proposed in 2001, with 100 fluent speakers in the world! Worse, there are a lot of human languages that are dying off ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... ) , not necessarily because of any genocide, but instead because the populations are being assimilated into bigger groups. This is just the Network effect (Oscar Meyer effect for North Americans of a certain age.)
Network effect is huge: people learn programming languages because other people already use them and provide libraries of stuff that is already done. Programming languages was a primary area of research in Computer Science in the 70's & 80's, taught formally at school, and there is a lot of literature and dead languages from that time. That seems to have calmed down a bit in recent decades, and the world seems to be converging a bit. There are still hundreds of reasonably popular (even if only in specific niches) languages and it is hard to imagine what *your* language would bring to the table that would be of sufficient value to overcome the massive network effect of introducing a new one.
there are explicitly pedagogical languages like Scratch ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... ) but the problem with pedagogical languages is that any skills the student acquires, they kind of need to start over with a *real language* at some point, so there needs to be a really big payoff to justify the diversion. The top programming languages ( https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-in... is one indicator ) are Java/C#, C/C++, and Python. Of those three, python is the obvious first choice in terms of ease of gett
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Old classic that never leaves top 20
See subject & https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/delphi-object-pascal/ & does all majors https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi/
Used for APK Hosts File Engine 10++ SR-1 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=%22APK+Hosts+File+Engine%22+and+%22start64%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1/ - why?
Deals in strings & made sense for performance advantage (Object Pascal's string function library = excellent).
* Delphi SMOKED MSVC++ (former personal fav by DOUBLE++ in math & strings which every program does) in 4/6 tests @ a competing trade journal (VB Programmer's Journal) in 1997 Sept/Oct issue "Inside the VB5 Compiler"
BASIC = 1st language in 82, COBOL 85, & C in 92 (buffer overflows in null-term'ed strings) so I did Delphi (stringlength = 'built-in').
APK
P.S.=> "Old classics" NEVER die - C gains now due to industrial automation & automotive work imo
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Delphi never leaves top 20 @ TIOBE &?
See subject & https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ & does all major platforms @ high performance https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi/
I used it to create APK Hosts File Engine 10++ SR-1 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=%22APK+Hosts+File+Engine%22+and+%22start64%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1/ - why?
My program deals heavily in stringwork - it made sense to start w/ an advantage for performance' sake (& Object Pascal's string function library IS excellent).
* Delphi absolutely SMOKED MSVC++ (my former personal fav by DOUBLE++ in math & strings which every program does) in performance in 4/6 tests @ a competing trade journal no less (Visual Basic Programmer's Journal) in 1997 Sept/Oct issue "Inside the VB5 Compiler" = why!
APK
P.S.=> New languages come & go briefly surging in popularity until bugs or lack of adoption slows it (Java = classic case) but tried & true "old classics" NEVER die... apk
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Another source shows it's used often...apk
See subject: Delphi's never out of the top #20 in the TIOBE index https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/delphi-object-pascal/ & #11 currently https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/
As far as what you mean by "managed code", do you mean INTERPRETED (as in
.NET) vs. statically compiled single .exe code? If so, I've never seen any problems in doing so (but I don't generally take interpreted code over statically compiled .exe).* What I really LIKE about Delphi? VCL - it compiles into the program INTERNALLY (statically) so you don't have things like ActiveX controls or OLE server
.DLLs (or std. ones) external to it for more "moving parts" for breakdown OR version control issues (ala "DLL hell").APK
P.S.=> So much for Stack Overflow's "opinion" - their sampleset isn't the best one per my initial post (& yes, I've taken peeks @ what goes on there but I have YET to have to use their info. to date over what was a 24++ yr. professional programming career here)... apk
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Another source shows it's used often...apk
See subject: Delphi's never out of the top #20 in the TIOBE index https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/delphi-object-pascal/ & #11 currently https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/
As far as what you mean by "managed code", do you mean INTERPRETED (as in
.NET) vs. statically compiled single .exe code? If so, I've never seen any problems in doing so (but I don't generally take interpreted code over statically compiled .exe).* What I really LIKE about Delphi? VCL - it compiles into the program INTERNALLY (statically) so you don't have things like ActiveX controls or OLE server
.DLLs (or std. ones) external to it for more "moving parts" for breakdown OR version control issues (ala "DLL hell").APK
P.S.=> So much for Stack Overflow's "opinion" - their sampleset isn't the best one per my initial post (& yes, I've taken peeks @ what goes on there but I have YET to have to use their info. to date over what was a 24++ yr. professional programming career here)... apk
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Re:Underestimates kernel and embedded
Erlang is a little obscure. It's a great system and I think we'd be better off if it more developed on it, but it's not on the top 20 of GitHut or TIOBE lists. Popularity isn't an indicator of superiority of course, else I'd have to argue how Delphi/Object Pascal beats Erlang. I think popularity does indicate the availability of salary data. And there should be more samples of people working as Delphi programmers than of Erlang programmers. (Gut feeling is I suspect the Erlang programmers get paid way more)
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Re: Embrace, extend, extinguish
The problem with that example is that Java is the top ranked programming language on the TIOBE Index. In other words, there was no extinguish. Also, that example was from 1995. If that is the latest attempt then it doesn't seem like a pattern of behaviour.
So if there are 100 or more examples of them successfully embracing, extending and extinguishing, name one of those. You can probably easily name more than 100 examples where people have accused Microsoft of having that plan for something, but not one time when it has actually eventuated. In other words, it is FUD.
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Re:Embrace, Extend, Extinguish...
People are leaving the Microsoft toolset. [citation needed] Seriously though,
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Re:TIOBE says they're wrong on Pascal & C/C++
For everyone's reference https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-in... Delphi/Object Pascal's STILL in the top 20
Dephi's runtime is statically compiled... You can do the same with c++ binaries you produce and compiled java, python native executable (ELF/PE binaries) can also do the same...
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TIOBE says they're wrong on Pascal & C/C++
See subject: I'd also like to include the fact that Java & C#/.NET dialects are VERY close imo @ least (picking up java from a C++ background's pretty much cake (except EVERYTHING is an object in Java, not the case in C++)).
* Personally? I try stay away from interpreted runtime driven code (Java, Python, C++ to an extent in MSVC++ @ least in GUI interface code being LIB.DLL run,
.NET, VB etc.) but I had to use it @ times while working... they all work but aren't my preference (I like doing single .exe code, no 3rd party lib/dll OR runtime driven stuff IF/WHEN possible) - you never know when errors pop up in them is why ala https://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10606043&cid=54411855/ where SQLite was found to have bugs.They are correct in my experience that MUCH of what's done out there is "business logic/processes" translating to DB calls etc. (online webby stuff is mostly this, but so is a lot of client-server).
APK
P.S.=> TIOBE INDEX current - For everyone's reference https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ Delphi/Object Pascal's STILL in the top 20 (was #11 1-2 months back too) & always is - C++/C are STILL, as always, in the top 10 too... apk
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Re:Determinism
It's so silly that Java is one of the most used languages for projects of any significant size or scope.
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Re:Well that makes sense
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Ruby
Ruby is along with Python and Perl one of the big 3 scripting languages. It seems pretty stable at over 1% of programs according to TIOBE and is currently surging again to 2.5%: http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-ind... . At this point obviously Python is in first place but I'd say Ruby is mostly tied with Perl for 2nd. How is that not success? Certainly it isn't a top 5 language but a consistent top 100 is a successful language.
As for nim I think I've only heard of it a few times so I'd agree that language ain't doing so hot yet.
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The problem with the metric
"i-programmer suggests this could just be an artifact of the way TIOBE calculates language popularity (by totaling search engine queries). "
The TIOBE index is not based on the number of queires (see http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-ind...).
It is based on the number of results on the query " programming" in multiple search engines.
So the TIOBE index is "how much has been written online about "
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Re: Oracle
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Tiobe Index
According to the Tiobe Index C# is down -0.94% to 3.2% and is the 6th most popular language according to that metric:
http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-ind...The degree to which C# declined is nearly the same degree to which VisualBasic.NET grew. Perhaps there is a switch from C# to VB (shudder) ? Java is still King of the Hill by a long way at 17.86% You may not like it, but companies making long-tern strategic software investments do - although Oracle's latest move to clamp down on the licensed professional features of Java is horrible (thank goodness for OpebJDK though).
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Re:fast, efficient code?
I simply gave an example of the fact that Perl is not just "Python with C syntax", not an extended critique. Note merely said this affected "both efficiency and correctness of programs", not that it constantly caused problems.
The reason I switched away from Perl wasn't its poor design (after all, I still use C++), but the fact that it has been dying slowly. That, and people like you.
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Re:What does this mean for the newbie open sourcer
What have they ever embraced, extended and extinguished? Java was the only thing they ever applied it to and look at it now. Then some people said they were trying to do it with web standards and in fact they are dropping support for their extensions now because HTML is capable of doing pretty much everything they were designed for.
Embrace, Extend, Extinguish is like Year of the Linux Desktop, it's just something out-of-touch people to say to spread FUD. By now the phrases have been so wrong for so long they have lost all meaning. Everytime Microsoft does anything with open source the panicky masses like you run around like headless chickens shouting that the sky is falling...and it never does. How many more times do you have to be wrong?
And no, before you get all redfaced and furious Im not saying microsoft has never done anything bad, I'm saying the continued failed conspiracy theories are getting pretty ridiculous and tiresome.
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Delphi in TIOBE index top 10/20
It's always been in TIOBE index's "top 20" since they started it! 2015 (#20), #6 (2001) & #10 currently iirc http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/delphi-object-pascal/ so it's in or near the "TOP 10" no less hovering there consistently.
In fact, it's one of, IF not THE, FASTEST risers there (jumping up ~10 spots this year).
Quake rewritten in Delphi Object Pascal (on games) https://www.google.com/search?q=Delphi+and+Quake&gbv=1&sei=osbGV8STE8bUeNGMh4AC/
APK
P.S.=> I created APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=%22APK+Hosts+File+Engine%22+and+%22start64%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1/
& it's done well enough to be hosted + recommended by the #1 antimalware's people @ malwarebytes' hpHosts website w/ many 1,000's using it (including /.'ers)... apk -
Delphi's FAR from abandoned
See subject: It's always been in TIOBE index's "top 20" since they started it! 2015 (#20) & as high as #6 (2001) & currently #10 iirc http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/delphi-object-pascal/ so it's in or near the "TOP 10" no less.
In fact, it's one of, IF not THE, FASTEST risers there (jumping up ~10 spots this year).
APK
P.S.=> I used it to create APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=%22APK+Hosts+File+Engine%22+and+%22start64%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1/ BY HAND CUSTOM CODE I WROTE MYSELF (audited by malwarebytes people) & it's done well enough to be hosted AND recommended by the #1 antimalware's people @ malwarebytes' hpHosts website with many 1,000's using it (including
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C programmers don't need to consult the web
This TIOBE index relies on web queries for each programming language. Frankly, C programmers don't need to ask questions about the language itself since it is so simple.
I'm not questioning the popularity of the various languages but it seems to me that this metric favours the more complex languages.
Finally, in the embedded real-time space, there is still no real substitute for C.
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Consider the methodology
Basically the calculation comes down to counting hits for the search query "language programming"
It doesn't matter if those results are positive or negative. All that matters is the number. If you make a language and get ten billion people to post on indexed sites about how badly your language sucks, your language would take the top spot on the TIOBE Index.
So... yeah. This is about as lame of an index as you could possibly come up with.
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Re:Yeah right.
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Really....
"It's incredible that this community is still going so strong after so long."
I checked the Tiobe index and I guess they're right, it IS on the rise. They're almost more popular than Visual Basic
.Net, but they've got a ways to go to catch up to Perl.To be fair though, they've more than doubled in popularity since a low in early 2015, going from sub 1% to over 2%!
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Re:checked C
By "so many" you mean... 1?
The problem with language rankings is that there are many ranking tables to choose from. C ranks second in the TIOBE and IEEE Spectrum indexes, but it ranks lower than second on the RedMonk, PYPL, and Trendy Skills indexes.
So who's right? Probably none of them.
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Re:They were so eager to see if they could...
I'm not sure what you mean by "it." Just because some compiler vendors may have supported non-standard extensions that allowed recursion does not mean you can claim the language supported it in general
Almost all C programs in existence depend on implementation-define features, so by that measure, there exist almost no C programs at all.
What "implementation-define[d] features" do you mean, and how do "[a]lmost all C programs in in existence depend" on them?
My experience with both languages is that it is Fortran, not C, that has suffered historically from a lack of portability due to implementation-defined features.
For better or for worse (mostly the latter) Fortran has been very slow to adopt new paradigms throughout its history.
How? The first C standard ever came out in 1989, the first Fortran standard with recursion in 1990, one year later. The first C++ standard came out in 1998, the first Fortran standard with OOP came out in 2003. And, of course, C++ still lacks many of the numerical features, parallel programming features, and multidimensional arrays found in Fortran.
That's a straw-man. You seem to think that C and C++ are the only languages and standards to be compared with Fortran.
First of all, support for recursion dates back to Algol 68. And the de facto definition of the C language was contained in Kernighan and Ritchie's 1978 book, which was subsequently updated in 1988 to the ANSI standard that was adopted officially in 1989. The concept of object-oriented programming dates back to the late 1950s. Its first appearance in a formal language was with Simula 67. In subsequent years, languages such as Smalltalk, Lisp derivatives, and Object Pascal were followed eventually by C++ in the early 1980s. Object-oriented programming surged in popularity beginning in the early 1990s. Fortran caught up eventually, but as usual, it was late to the party.
I'm not sure what you're talking about regarding "numerical features, parallel programming, and multidimensional arrays." C++ supports all of that, just not the same way as Fortran.
I say again: Fortran has been very slow to adopt new paradigms. It didn't even support a DO-WHILE officially until 1990. Oh sure, most compiler vendors had it in their F77 offerings, but you could never be sure it was there when you ported your code to another machine and its compiler.
Perhaps what you are referring to by "adopting new paradigms" is the fact that C++ standards often wrote stuff into the standard that then took many years to implement correctly for compiler writers; I don't see that as an advantage.
Compared to what? Standards that pre-date their implementation provide a common adoption plan for vendors. Standards that post-date a number of divergent implementations are an attempt to remove redundancy and incompatibility between them.
And no, that's not what I meant by "adopting new paradigms." There you go again with a straw-man.
That has condemned it to a niche existence in scientific computing.
That "niche" is its purpose in life. C++, unfortunately, has found no niche at all; C++ seems to be a waystation for people moving up from C before they then abandon C++ for greener pastures.
Again, you seem to think that C and C++ are the only valid comparisons to Fortran.
Go ahead and Google for rankings of language usage. This one, for example. I challenge you to find a ranking that even has Fortran on the list.
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Its output hosts runs anywhere (almost)
See subject: On any OS w/ a normal BSD derived IP stack (99% of devices & OS are) on most any hardware platform!
* Now, you have a point on my program... HOWEVER?
I could EASILY PORT IT, easily (for the MOST part, other than avoiding drive letters vs. mounted devices & I've along ago abstracted away the sockets diffs between *NIX socketry & WinSock2 in the code) via the BEST DEVELOPMENT TOOL ever created which my program is coded in:
Delphi -> http://www.embarcadero.com/pro...
Back in the "Top 10" development languages as I knew it would be per the TIOBE index http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_ind...
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Not one of the "Big security & bug issue" generating languages either -> http://news.softpedia.com/news...
Which you can see ports to just about *ANYTHING* out there (of the major platforms)!
(For Linux, there's FreePascal + its LAZARUS IDE which is an almost EXACT CLONE of Delphi's Object Pascal (which whipped even MSVC++ in 4/6 tests, tying 1 with C++ & losing as C++ even did on ActiveX form loads to VB (a dead tech on VB & ActiveX))).
In fact, MORE THAN DOUBLING C++ in Math & Strings work in fact - which, face it, EVERY program does work on, in of ALL places, a competing languages' trade journal no less (VBPJ Sept./Oct. issue 1997 titled "Inside the VB5 Compiler")!
APK
P.S.=> So, before you ask it: Why don't I port it to OTHER platforms? Well, ok:
I am just not in the habit of "helping the competition", to be blatantly forthright honest about it (I'm a "Windows man", albeit Win7 & below, not the VISTA onwards wannabe Google garbage from MS)... apk
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There's almost NOTHING I can't code via... apk
Delphi Object Pascal (or on Linux, FreePascal & Lazarus IDE, an almost EXACT clone of ->) http://www.embarcadero.com/pro...
* FASTEST RISER IN THE TIOBE INDEX 2014-present -> http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_ind...
(TOP 10, again, & up from WHO KNOWS WHERE... not too shabby!)
Delphi "got ahold of me" back in 1997 (though I used it from version 1.0 in 16-bit as far back as 1995 professionally for Goulds Pumps, a then Fortune 500) where in, of ALL places, a competing language's trade journals (Visual Basic Programmer's Journal Sept./Oct. 1997 issue titled "INSIDE THE VB5 COMPILER") it took 4/6 tests (losing only 1, which C++ did also, in a dead tech now of ActiveX forms loads which VB actually won, & tying 1 w/ MSVC++) & SWEEPING THE FLOOR with MSVC++ & VB5 - actually LITERALLY more than DOUBLING even C++ in Math & Strings work (which, face it, EVERY program works with)).
APK
P.S.=> Why change? Especially when I've created a "best of breed" program in it that gives users more speed, security, reliability & even anonymity than ANY other SINGLE "so-called 'solution'" out there, for FAR LESS resource consummation:
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit http://www.start64.com/index.p...
Highly RECOMMENDED & HOSTED by none other than Malwarebytes' hpHosts admin no less proven safe by him & 60++ antivirus tests... apk
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WTF? Who came in here "posturing"??
You came "posturing" on your math background trying to belittle I've taken stat I/II & did well @ it but I never CLAIMED to be a statistician either - first of all!
SECONDLY & FACT: Delphi's just BETTER all the way around & FASTER too.
TIOBE INDEX SHOWS FAR MORE USERS USING DELPHI vs. "R", period -> http://www.tiobe.com/content/p...
(Got a BETTER source? Like I asked other WEAK "naysayers" for, put it out then... I can easily back myself, as always, but you? YOU CAN'T - NOT EVEN ON YOUR ALLEGED MATH BACKGROUND or WHAT YOU ACCOMPLISHED WITH IT allegedly for Pete's sake, lol... by way of comparison, I WAS ABLE TO SHOW A WHOLE SLEW OF DECENT THINGS I'D DONE IN CS, & that's only a FRACTION OF WHAT I COULD PUT OUT IN FULL...)
APK
P.S.=> For statisticians to NOT be using Delphi as you claim, then HOW COME SO MANY LIBS FOR STATS FOR DELPHI ARE WRITTEN BY MATH/CS NUTS THEN?
Fact is - I'd almost bank on it they're as complete as ANY OTHER LANGUAGE'S LIBS FOR STATS THERE IS in fact (& I long ago pointed out that like C/C++, Delphi being an older language, has libs GALORE for stats -> http://science.slashdot.org/co... AND HERE TOO-> http://science.slashdot.org/co... )
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No thanks: I'll stick by the BIG up & comer
Object Pascal/Delphi - biggest riser in the TIOBE index 2014-2016 (iirc more than 20++ places 2014-2015) http://www.tiobe.com/content/p... into the "TOP 10" again, like I knew it would be once more!
IF ANYONE HAS A BETTER INDICATOR OF LANGUAGE USE SOURCE? PLEASE - BRING IT ON!
(Apparently nobody does & all they had is downmods vs. this same post in this exchange 4-5x now, lol! E.G. - 1 of many http://science.slashdot.org/co... )
MARKETERS: YOU CAN'T KEEP A GOOD THING DOWN!
It JUMPED a full 20++ places (especially when combined with Free Pascal on Linux using the Lazarus IDE, which is an ALMOST exact 'clone' of the Delphi IDE (& it was a bad move, yes a bad move, for Borland to have killed off Kylix which they had working on Linux). Like Lazarus (pun intended) IT ROSE FROM THE DEAD (never having died though).
There's almost NOTHING you CAN'T program with it (yes, even drivers with addon toolkits) & on most EVERY major hardware platform http://www.embarcadero.com/pro...
* All the bullshit "hype" of the "new hotness" that turns up "old & busted" was just that - I knew it would be since reinventing wheels USUALLY runs into the same problems already solved by the "old classics" (like my favs C++ & Object Pascal).
APK
P.S.=> So, though it may be an interesting language that was built ground-up with GOOD solid fundamentals? I'll stick by WHAT IS OUTRIGHT KICKING "R"'s ASS, Delphi... besides: I create "best of breed" no questions asked programs that the likes of the BEST in Malwarebytes's folks recommending & hosting it for me proves:
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit: http://www.start64.com/index.p...
So why "argue with success" & WHY change? It works for me... apk
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No thanks: I'll stick by the BIG up & comer
Object Pascal/Delphi - biggest riser in the TIOBE index 2014-2016 (iirc more than 20++ places 2014-2015) http://www.tiobe.com/content/p... into the "TOP 10" again, like I knew it would be once more!
IF ANYONE HAS A BETTER INDICATOR OF LANGUAGE USE SOURCE? PLEASE - BRING IT ON!
(Apparently nobody does & all they had is downmods vs. this same post in this exchange 4-5x now, lol! E.G. - 1 of many http://science.slashdot.org/co... )
MARKETERS: YOU CAN'T KEEP A GOOD THING DOWN!
It JUMPED a full 20++ places (especially when combined with Free Pascal on Linux using the Lazarus IDE, which is an ALMOST exact 'clone' of the Delphi IDE (& it was a bad move, yes a bad move, for Borland to have killed off Kylix which they had working on Linux). Like Lazarus (pun intended) IT ROSE FROM THE DEAD (never having died though).
There's almost NOTHING you CAN'T program with it (yes, even drivers with addon toolkits) & on most EVERY major hardware platform http://www.embarcadero.com/pro...
* All the bullshit "hype" of the "new hotness" that turns up "old & busted" was just that - I knew it would be since reinventing wheels USUALLY runs into the same problems already solved by the "old classics" (like my favs C++ & Object Pascal).
APK
P.S.=> So, though it may be an interesting language that was built ground-up with GOOD solid fundamentals? I'll stick by WHAT IS OUTRIGHT KICKING "R"'s ASS, Delphi... besides: I create "best of breed" no questions asked programs that the likes of the BEST in Malwarebytes's folks recommending & hosting it for me proves:
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit: http://www.start64.com/index.p...
So why "argue with success" & WHY change? It works for me... apk
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No thanks: I'll stick by the BIG "up & comer"
Object Pascal/Delphi - biggest riser in the TIOBE index 2014-2016 (iirc more than 20++ places 2014-2015) http://www.tiobe.com/content/p... into the "TOP 10" again, like I knew it would be once more!
IF ANYONE HAS A BETTER INDICATOR OF LANGUAGE USE SOURCE? PLEASE - BRING IT ON!
(Apparently nobody does & all they had is downmods vs. this same post in this exchange 4-5x now, lol! E.G. - 1 of many http://science.slashdot.org/co... )
MARKETERS: YOU CAN'T KEEP A GOOD THING DOWN!
It JUMPED a full 20++ places (especially when combined with Free Pascal on Linux using the Lazarus IDE, which is an ALMOST exact 'clone' of the Delphi IDE (& it was a bad move, yes a bad move, for Borland to have killed off Kylix which they had working on Linux). Like Lazarus (pun intended) IT ROSE FROM THE DEAD (never having died though).
There's almost NOTHING you CAN'T program with it (yes, even drivers with addon toolkits) & on most EVERY major hardware platform http://www.embarcadero.com/pro...
* All the bullshit "hype" of the "new hotness" that turns up "old & busted" was just that - I knew it would be since reinventing wheels USUALLY runs into the same problems already solved by the "old classics" (like my favs C++ & Object Pascal).
APK
P.S.=> So, though it may be an interesting language that was built ground-up with GOOD solid fundamentals? I'll stick by WHAT IS OUTRIGHT KICKING "R"'s ASS, Delphi... besides: I create "best of breed" no questions asked programs that the likes of the BEST in Malwarebytes's folks recommending & hosting it for me proves:
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit: http://www.start64.com/index.p...
So why "argue with success" & WHY change? It works for me... apk
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No thanks: I'll stick by the BIG "up & comer"
Object Pascal/Delphi - biggest riser in the TIOBE index 2014-2016 (iirc more than 20++ places 2014-2015) http://www.tiobe.com/content/p... into the "TOP 10" again, like I knew it would be once more!
IF ANYONE HAS A BETTER INDICATOR OF LANGUAGE USE SOURCE? PLEASE - BRING IT ON!
(Apparently nobody does & all they had is downmods vs. this same post in this exchange 4-5x now, lol!)
MARKETERS: YOU CAN'T KEEP A GOOD THING DOWN!
It JUMPED a full 20++ places (especially when combined with Free Pascal on Linux using the Lazarus IDE, which is an ALMOST exact 'clone' of the Delphi IDE (& it was a bad move, yes a bad move, for Borland to have killed off Kylix which they had working on Linux). Like Lazarus (pun intended) IT ROSE FROM THE DEAD (never having died though).
There's almost NOTHING you CAN'T program with it (yes, even drivers with addon toolkits) & on most EVERY major hardware platform http://www.embarcadero.com/pro...
* All the bullshit "hype" of the "new hotness" that turns up "old & busted" was just that - I knew it would be since reinventing wheels USUALLY runs into the same problems already solved by the "old classics" (like my favs C++ & Object Pascal).
APK
P.S.=> So, though it may be an interesting language that was built ground-up with GOOD solid fundamentals? I'll stick by WHAT IS OUTRIGHT KICKING "R"'s ASS, Delphi... besides: I create "best of breed" no questions asked programs that the likes of the BEST in Malwarebytes's folks recommending & hosting it for me proves:
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit: http://www.start64.com/index.p...
So why "argue with success" & WHY change? It works for me... apk
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TIOBE index shows DIFFERENTLY
See subject: Do YOU have a better source? Let's see it vs. -> http://www.tiobe.com/content/p... & they explain their methods there so, there you are (you're left with nothing but downmods to hide my posts & that is WEAK bullshit & you know it - anyone reading does).
APK
P.S.=> Thanks for validating everything I post by showing all you have is downmodding my posts but not proving them wrong... lol! apk
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Again: TIOBE index shows differently
Delphi in the TOP 10 (up ~20++ places from 2014 in fact): As I said to you before - you just haven't used it yourself!
EVERYONE & their brother thinks what they use is "king shit" until they hit shops that show them otherwise (especially young "noobz", lol, & I wasn't ANY better to be honest in my younger days...)
APK
P.S.=> For your reference-> http://www.tiobe.com/content/p...
... apk
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No thanks: I'll stick by the BIG "up & comer"
Object Pascal/Delphi - biggest riser in the TIOBE index 2014-2016 (iirc more than 20++ places 2014-2015) http://www.tiobe.com/content/p... into the "TOP 10" again, like I knew it would be once more!
MARKETERS: YOU CAN'T KEEP A GOOD THING DOWN!
It JUMPED a full 20++ places (especially when combined with Free Pascal on Linux using the Lazarus IDE, which is an ALMOST exact 'clone' of the Delphi IDE (& it was a bad move, yes a bad move, for Borland to have killed off Kylix which they had working on Linux). Like Lazarus (pun intended) IT ROSE FROM THE DEAD (never having died though).
There's almost NOTHING you CAN'T program with it (yes, even drivers with addon toolkits) & on most EVERY major hardware platform http://www.embarcadero.com/pro...
* All the bullshit "hype" of the "new hotness" that turns up "old & busted" was just that - I knew it would be since reinventing wheels USUALLY runs into the same problems already solved by the "old classics" (like my favs C++ & Object Pascal).
APK
P.S.=> So, though it may be an interesting language that was built ground-up with GOOD solid fundamentals? I'll stick by WHAT IS OUTRIGHT KICKING "R"'s ASS, Delphi... besides: I create "best of breed" no questions asked programs that the likes of the BEST in Malwarebytes's folks recommending & hosting it for me proves:
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit: http://www.start64.com/index.p...
So why "argue with success" & WHY change? It works for me... apk
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No thanks: I'll stick by the BIG "up & comer"
Object Pascal/Delphi - biggest riser in the TIOBE index 2014-2016 (iirc more than 20++ places 2014-2015) http://www.tiobe.com/content/p... into the "TOP 10" again, like I knew it would be once more!
MARKETERS: YOU CAN'T KEEP A GOOD THING DOWN!
It JUMPED a full 20++ places (especially when combined with Free Pascal on Linux using the Lazarus IDE, which is an ALMOST exact 'clone' of the Delphi IDE (& it was a bad move, yes a bad move, for Borland to have killed off Kylix which they had working on Linux). Like Lazarus (pun intended) IT ROSE FROM THE DEAD (never having died though).
There's almost NOTHING you CAN'T program with it (yes, even drivers with addon toolkits) & on most EVERY major hardware platform http://www.embarcadero.com/pro...
* All the bullshit "hype" of the "new hotness" that turns up "old & busted" was just that - I knew it would be since reinventing wheels USUALLY runs into the same problems already solved by the "old classics" (like my favs C++ & Object Pascal).
APK
P.S.=> So, though it may be an interesting language that was built ground-up with GOOD solid fundamentals? I'll stick by WHAT IS OUTRIGHT KICKING "R"'s ASS, Delphi... besides: I create "best of breed" no questions asked programs that the likes of the BEST in Malwarebytes's folks recommending & hosting it for me proves:
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit: http://www.start64.com/index.p...
So why "argue with success" & WHY change? It works for me... apk
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No thanks: I'll stick by the BIG "up & comer"
Object Pascal/Delphi - biggest riser in the TIOBE index 2014-2016 (iirc more than 20++ places 2014-2015) http://www.tiobe.com/content/p... into the "TOP 10" again, like I knew it would be once more!
MARKETERS: YOU CAN'T KEEP A GOOD THING DOWN!
It JUMPED a full 20++ places (especially when combined with Free Pascal on Linux using the Lazarus IDE, which is an ALMOST exact 'clone' of the Delphi IDE (& it was a bad move, yes a bad move, for Borland to have killed off Kylix which they had working on Linux). Like Lazarus (pun intended) IT ROSE FROM THE DEAD (never having died though).
There's almost NOTHING you can program with it (yes, even drivers with addon toolkits) & on most EVERY major hardware platform http://www.embarcadero.com/pro...
* All the bullshit "hype" of the "new hotness" that turns up "old & busted" was just that - I knew it would be since reinventing wheels USUALLY runs into the same problems already solved by the "old classics" (like my favs C++ & Object Pascal).
APK
P.S.=> So, though it may be an interesting language that was built ground-up with GOOD solid fundamentals? I'll stick by WHAT IS OUTRIGHT KICKING "R"'s ASS, Delphi... besides: I create "best of breed" no questions asked programs that the likes of the BEST in Malwarebytes's folks recommending & hosting it for me proves:
APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit: http://www.start64.com/index.p...
So why "argue with success" & WHY change? It works for me... apk
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I could easily port to OTHER platforms
See subject: Via Delphi Object Pascal I coded it in (fastest rising languge in the 2015 TIOBE index in fact-> http://www.tiobe.com/content/p... ) & Delphi 10 (& earlier versions) port to all major platforms -> http://www.embarcadero.com/pro... easily but since Windows runs on ~ 94.5++% of ALL the world's PC's (the SUPERIOR overall "weapon of choice" for me) & roughly a 50/50 of all the servers? Then, how far WRONG can I be?? I command a BIG market segment & hosts run on ANYTHING with a normal BSD derived IP stack - pretty much on any OS, any device (barring bogus alteration to favor advertisers that is (Google KitKat ANDROID smartphone toys imo onward)).
APK
P.S.=> Pascal & Object Pascal have shown their superiority since the 1990's & stood the test of time. Borland USED to have Kylix but FreePascal & it's Lazarus IDE (proving it's risen from the dead there too, pun intended) are, as I said, COMING BACK W/ A VENGEANCE (hype from other vendors notwithstanding) - like superior tools always do! It can do JUST ABOUT ANYTHING my other fav. in C++ can (yes, even drivers via added on toolkits) & BEAT IT as far back as 1997 in of all places, a competing trade journal (VBPJ) taking 4/6 tests, tying 1 with C++, losing only 1 (which C++ did to VB too on a dead platform in ActiveX forms) but SMOKING IT, more than DOUBLING IT in math & strings work (which face it, every program does) - it's why I love it, it's been my fav since that Sept./Oct. 1997 issue "INSIDE THE VB5 COMPILER" in fact... with good reasons - it's the BEST! apk
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Re:Java = Dead Language in 2009
Java's a security issue riddled and didn't live up to its promises and is interpreted slow. Delphi showed 4th most growth overall http://www.tiobe.com/content/p... from 2015 to 2016.