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And don't forget ion's ancestor, pwm.
I use it and I haven't looked back.

I have never tried EvilWM but it looks much like another minimalist window manager called PWM, which is a tabbed Window Manager. It was the first window manager to implement so called "tabs" on windows which can also be found on for example fluxbox. More information on it's homepage.

http://www.cs.tut.fi/~rammer/aide.html

<genie voice>I GRANT YOU YOUR WISH.</genie voice>

Another myth: KDE users are leeter than me. Every time I get shit for using Windows, it's from a fucking KDE user. At least when I use Lunix I use a real window manager.

AIDE only received 4 votes, while 10 were needed to place #75. But I agree that it is a useful free tool that potential Tripwire users should know about. And so I have added an AIDE link to that entry.

Thanks,
-Fyodor
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Because he's a first-time Linux user. Compiling and installing the dozen or so KDE packages is not a task I would recommend to a Linux newbie. He would also have to compile XFree86 and GNOME, both of which have had major updates since Red Hat 8.0. Are you suggesting he should compile and install them, too, plus the kernel and all of the other updated packages that will be included in 8.1? I don't think we want to torture this guy. The idea is to show him that Linux can be just as easy to use as Windows.

RedHat's decision to crippl^W make BlueCurve was stupid which is proven by the absence of official KDE3.1 packages for RedHat.

Dude, if you're gonna troll, at least do it right. ^W=end of transmisttion block, ^H=backspace

No matter what you think about the politics of Bluecurve, I think we can all agree it improves the out-of-box experience for new Linux users like our friend dj_paulgibbs.

Your ideal GUI is out there, if you just put in the time looking for it. Maybe you want something like Ion. It lets you control all windowing operations with the keyboard, using whatever keybindings you desire.

I'm glad GNOME and KDE are there for people who want a Windows-like desktop, but I personally can't stand either one.

Hey, have you tried Ion?

I have Comcast cable here. It's digital cable. For $5 a month, I'm renting a box that decodes the HDTV signal for my TV. I recently switched (involuntarily) from Dish Network. I would have had to spend about $500 to get set up with a HDTV receiver and a new dish (all their HD programming is on a different satellite), but the monthly fee would be only marginally higher. My TV is a Pioneer SD-582-HD5 58" HDTV-Ready Projection TV. I spent only $3000 for it, not $5000, and that was over a year ago. It has PIP and 4 inputs (plus an antenna), two of which have component video.

Your points about Tivo and DVD are compelling. I have the first season B5 DVD box set, and the low DVD resolution is glaring, especially in the CG scenes, which weren't transferred properly. When they come out with DVD players with HD output, I'll be first in line. (It won't help my B5, but hopefully other DVDs will be better.)

For various reasons ( including access to the reading disabled) every site should, at the very least, serve a different page to pure text browsers than it does to graphical browsers.

The whole *point* of identifying browsers at all is to allow the server to serve optimized pages for different browsers.

But I hope that application designers will work to ensure that their applications are tiled window manager friendly. Popping up new windows is harmful to the interface, and screws up the display in tiling window managers like ion.

I'd be really curious to get the answer to this question from one of the "walking wounded" Corel developers that climbed on the client side Java bandwagon half a decade ago (in the Cowpland era), attempting to write an Office suite application.

As I recall, the bandwagon was bumping over a rough dirt road at the time and the project died.

With all the seasoning that's happened to Java, with the new possibility that the courts will make MS bundle a reasonable Java, I'd be curious if the speed, robustness, and cross platform issues have been sufficiently solved from the perspective of developers that hit all 3 of these issues back in 1996.

Apparently the "hydra" uses exploits/overflows on a number of popular media players - including xmms, which is a Linux mp3 player

Probably a good time to verify and finetune that installation of AIDE (Advanced Intrusion Detection Environment) just to be sure that those binaries are the same!

Because it doesn't look the same in all character codings, and since slashdot doesn't bother to send a codepage, it will look mangled in people who's default codepage is not western(latin 1) or a m$ one (try your post on iso-8859-7 (greek) or iso-8859-15 (latin-9)).

Also, see here for more fun with the euro sign.

Because it doesn't look the same in all character codings, and since slashdot doesn't bother to send a codepage, it will look mangled in people who's default codepage is not western(latin 1) or a m$ one (try your post on iso-8859-7 (greek) or iso-8859-15 (latin-9)).

Also, see here for more fun with the euro sign.

Why don't you check your facts before posting?

1) As others have pointed out, this is a *Beta*, RedHat 8.0.92 to be exact, so many things can change between now and when 8.1 is released
2) This beta actually *includes* KDE 3.1(RC5 or CVS I guess) see http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=redh at or check the RPMs in the FTP, or install the damn thing!
3) This is *exactly* the same as with Gnome, the beta includes the latest Gnome 2.1(from CVS I think), that by the time 8.1 final is released will become Gnome 2.2(and the same is also true for XFree 4.3)
4) KDE on RedHat is/was not "crippled", I will not bother arguing about this, but if you think the version in 8.0 was "crippled", then doesn't mater what version they ship in the next release you will think the same.
5) You can be sure that RedHat 8.1 final release will include KDE 3.1, you may think that it's still "crippled" though...
(BTW, Gnome 2.2 and KDE 3.1 are both looking very good, I'm sure RH8.1 will be a great release, even better than 8.0, and 8.0 was already very nice)

Hope this sets some facts straight, BTW, I don't even run Linux or KDE/Gnome on my boxes(I administer a few RedHat desktops running both KDE and Gnome at work though), I love my FreeBSD box with Ion, just hate to see people spreading misinformation.

Best wishes and do some research before you post next time!

\\Uriel

He says that all the window managers are trying to imitate windows with the windows, icons, etc. I assure you there is quite a bit of innovation occuring in the field. The window manager I use is ION, and it's completely different from anything I have seen before.

It is far from complete, but still quite usable, IMO.

...that Mr. Dvorak used a stock install of Red Hat 8, fiddled about with GNOME2, and drew his conclusions from there. If the guy had played with Window Maker or Fluxbox or Ion or my girlfriend's arse he wouldn't be so fucking biased.

I wouldn't rate such hack as a good contestant simply because the method is way too simple. But if you prefer to do such a thing, just use this perl script.

Note that HTML tidy can easily clean up such simple hacks. Truly unreadable source cannot be fixed with something as simple as HTML tidy. You can try the above perl script on some HTML file and then inputting that file to HTML Tidy Online.

And just for the record, numeric character entities always refer to unicode character code positions. For example, &#151; (0x97) is undefined (reserved), even though many people try to use that in HTML source to represent emdash.

I also made the choice not to treat myself in many other ways. I occassionally take ibuprophen before I go to sleep, which reduces swelling and I believe that helps me heal. I never take it during the day, or ice, or use any other sort of physical intervention. I have feared that will just address my symptoms, while the underlying problem becomes even greater since I no longer get the painful feedback... when it finally catches up with me it might be worse than ever. My difficulties were only uncomfort and a limiting of my time on the computer -- I know other people have had much more serious conditions, and whatever happens I never want to get there.

the poster mentions Tripwaire, but what about AIDE?
In additon to being a proper Open Source project, it allows for features that (last I heard at any rate) tripwire doesn't support, like a centralized checksum DB. That feature alone makes the tool superior (IMHO). For example it makes the verification process a lot nicer (intruder can't courrpt the local md5sum's because there aren't any).

As far as NeWS, it went further than either Fresco or PicoGUI has gone so far (in terms of functionality and practicality). It was truly novel -- I really think it deserves serious thought from any wannabe-X-redesigner, both for its successes and failures. As is often the case, many of the most important choices are made early on, and many of the most important alternatives are forseen by those involved. Of course, the best choices are not always made, we all know what some of the shortcomings of X are, and some of the outright failures of the original vision. But there were important ideas on all sides.

Some of the most interesting window managers I've seen lately are those that are controllable from the keyboard, like ratpoison and ion. I've been using Ion just about exclusively for the past month and it is really quite good. You can arrange your windows the way you want once and save the configuration so you'll never have to waste time moving xterms around so you can see them all. And because all desktops are tiled, screen real-estate wastage is minimised.

I would not count myself an expert here, but I found the discussion in Chpt 2 of "Hacking Linux Exposed:Linux Security Secrets and Solutions" helpful. They recommend either AIDE or Nabou

1: You can have them in XP. Install powertoys, and turn them on.

2: Use one of the many spam filters for Windows (mozilla has a new Bayesian one).

3: Install mozilla for windows, or better yet Phoenix. You'll have the SAME FUCKING TABS as in Linux.

Depending on what is the field you would like to specialize in, think about studying abroad. For example, I have heard that studying in Finland in HUT or TUT for example might be a major boost both for your skills and employment opportunities especially if you plan to specialize in wireless stuff. (Why? Much of it originates from Nokia)

You're being very selective with your "everything" description.

Does Windows have a net-based install that only requires a couple of floppies to get going? Does Windows have a unified scheme where you can pull down whole libraries of software from either a command line, text-based, or full GUI interface? Does Windows have the ability to customize its kernel? Does Windows have tab-based, minimal, and even mouseless GUIs?

Linux offers choice. People are choosing to make programs that are similarly functional to those offered by Microsoft, but that doesn't mean that Windows is setting the standard for everything.

Besides that, there's a lot of crossover. A lot of programs run on both Windows and Linux. Emacs. Vim. Mozilla. Perl. Python. Ruby. Nethack. Windows doesn't set these standards either.

If you still don't believe that Linux is different than Windows, try doing a LFS or Gentoo install. Then come back here and tell me that Windows is setting the standards for everything.

I recommend pwm. Its a graphical WM with tabbed windows. Supports windowmaker dockapps.

Unfortunately, it does not support iconification of programs...I'm trying to convince the developer to include that as an alternative to window shading.

Imo, PWM's the best light window manager, providing a good combination of a clean graphical interface with minimalism.

For a more heavy-duty WM, I recommend WindowMaker over GNOME or KDE. WindowMaker is fairly light-weight, and has a much cleaner appearance and feel. Another nice feature about WindowMaker is that it has a lot of the nice Apps that you see in OSX, like the mail program and the column-file navigator. Better, its easy to port an OSX program to WindowMaker if you have the source, as its based on OpenStep.

I've been using Ion off-and-on recently, trying to decide if I want to switch. It is very great. I didn't like posion, because (a) it brakes my web browser, Konquerer, and (b) I find it akward to use.

Ion is similar. You can have multipal frames on the screen at a time (which is good), but the frames never overlap. One thing to note is that multipal clients can be in the same frame (one shows up at a time). Each frame (or the whole screen if you only have one) has a row of tabs at the top, one for each client. It's great.

Its not quite an emacs window manager. The closest thing I've found the the emacs experience in the window manager arena is Ion It has the frames and minibuffer thing going for it.
My desktop at work is dual-head running several Ion frames, with emacs windows, xterms, and galeon windows. Its really all I need. If Emacs were to gain the ability to run graphical applications in emacs buffers similar to how it can currently run console apps, it would be the perfect window manager for what I (and I think a lot of other people here) want out of a desktop.

1) The author cited as fact that the age of the operating system is directly related to its security, without any kind of proof. This makes sense at first glance, but it ultimatly glosses over the fact that both OSes are in constant development. New features are added every day. This might make sense if, after developing the system, all the time after that was spent patching and debugging, but this isn't the case.

2) The author has no concept of service vs. system. Most vulnerabilites are in sevices, not at the kernel level. All Linux is just a kernel. Packages are added to make a usable Linux distro.

3) The author cites number of bugtraq entries as a way of gauging relative security, without considering the severity. Also, bugs, like those reported to Security Focus aren't the only vectors of compromise

4) Open source software, by virtue of being free, allows an administrator to install much more security software for his dollar. Firewalls, IDSes, advanced cryptographic file systems, HIDS, and virus scanners can all be downloaded for free.

This one

Read the pdf on the site, it's a lot more informative than either the site itself or the slashdot article.

Prototype it right, people !
Support domestic banana farmers !

bottom right corner

http://www.cs.tut.fi/~ira/kuvat/web2.jpg

"Say, what should we do with this old banana cardboard box here?" "I know! Lets use it as a stand for our futuristic invention!"

Yeah... what do you call those things? Screens? Besides, that would remove the ability to walk through the image.

On another note. There has been some crazy case mods on /. before, but has anyone seen someone mod a case of bannanas before? A flavored fog-screen perhaps? I can only imagine the names: "tropical mist" or "mountain dew".

People want to do work on an IRIX. If they wanted a fancy pants desktop with no functionality they would go with a Windows or a Mac machine. IRIX is best at doing graphics processing, and there is no reason to waste that processing power on purty desktops. Hence the description "workstation" instead of "desktop."

At work I use a dual P3 933 running pwm. At home, an iBook with OS X. It's called using the right tool for the job, you nitwit.

The trick is to use keys that the browser has not already (probably) bound to shortcuts. For instance, the UK Goverment Standard on ACCESSKEYs specifies that designers should use the following:

• S skip navigation
• 1 home page
• 2 what's new page
• 3 site map
• 4 to the search facility on the site
• 5 frequently asked questions (F A Qs)
• 6 help page/facility
• 7 complaints procedure
• 8 terms and conditions (including privacy statement)
• 9 feedback page
• 0 the menu page of accesskeys detailing the accesskeys are being used within the website and the information or services they link to.

What I would really like to see is a good method for binding ACCESSKEYs to Alt+Left Arrow and Alt+Right Arrow for / navigation.

Lots of good ACCESSKEY info can be had here.

I agree with the output part and in addition not that many consumer amplifiers have inputs for 20 bit digital audio either. However, I think that using 20 bit original for Ogg or MP3 should increase the resulting quality because you have more information to select from to discard unneeded pieces during compression. If you had 20 bit output I'd guess that 20 bit Ogg or MP3 (assuming 20 bit format is supported) would sound better than uncompressed sound dithered to 16 bit.

But then, I don't have audio equipment or ears to hear even full 16 bits. Even NICAM sounds pretty nice to me.

I believe I was talking about the themes people were offering. People created these aqua-like themes privately, and gave them away freely, not for commercial profit.

I realise that GPL'ed software may be commercialized, but the point is it tends to be non-commercialized.

Sending a cease and desist letter is just as bad as suing, since no individual could win a lawsuit against a corporation like Apple.

Your justification for this is that if we're allowed to put the little Apple logo in the themes we post on themes.org, that's going to confuse consumers? Please. Yes, trademarks exist for consumer protection -- so that we can easily identify and differentiate between brands. They exist *only* for consumer protection. When there's no risk of confusion, they should not be applied. Person X posting an Aqua-like theme for say WindowMaker and including the Apple symbol isn't confusing anyone. They're not doing it to try to make money off of Apple's trademark. They're simply trying to make people migrating from MacOS to Linux more comfortable.

As for "to promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts" and a "limited time". (1) The current duration of patents and copyrights would horrify the founding fathers. A limited time did not mean and NEVER meant that whenever copyrights are about to expire, hollywood nazi's can get a retroactive extension for another 99 years. (2) Also key to that statement is to promote the progress of science and hte useful arts. Where it does not promote such, it should not be respected.

I never said the end goal of the FSF is to eliminate or vastly reduce the duration and scope of copyright. I was speaking for myself. Though I suspect that RMS and any other reasonable person would agree that the scope and duration of intellectual property must be drastically cut back.

Yes, the NeXTStep dock was different and more advanced from that of twm. However, the point was that at least there was a kind of dock independent of NeXT.

I actually believe that some of the smartest most innovative people in the world make OSS / FS software. Alot of very innovative brilliant solutions were created and cultivated in our community. It was people in our community (and I refer to the OSS & FS as one community here). It was a very brilliant Valkonen who decided to make a WM for Linux where separate instances of an application would be grouped into a frame of tabs. I really wish that the people who work on WindowMaker would incorporate tabbed windowing. Its really so superior to other methods. I have some ideas of my own, which include cascade retention.

I believe I was talking about the themes people were offering. People created these aqua-like themes privately, and gave them away freely, not for commercial profit.

I realise that GPL'ed software may be commercialized, but the point is it tends to be non-commercialized.

Sending a cease and desist letter is just as bad as suing, since no individual could win a lawsuit against a corporation like Apple.

Your justification for this is that if we're allowed to put the little Apple logo in the themes we post on themes.org, that's going to confuse consumers? Please. Yes, trademarks exist for consumer protection -- so that we can easily identify and differentiate between brands. They exist *only* for consumer protection. When there's no risk of confusion, they should not be applied. Person X posting an Aqua-like theme for say WindowMaker and including the Apple symbol isn't confusing anyone. They're not doing it to try to make money off of Apple's trademark. They're simply trying to make people migrating from MacOS to Linux more comfortable.

As for "to promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts" and a "limited time". (1) The current duration of patents and copyrights would horrify the founding fathers. A limited time did not mean and NEVER meant that whenever copyrights are about to expire, hollywood nazi's can get a retroactive extension for another 99 years. (2) Also key to that statement is to promote the progress of science and hte useful arts. Where it does not promote such, it should not be respected.

I never said the end goal of the FSF is to eliminate or vastly reduce the duration and scope of copyright. I was speaking for myself. Though I suspect that RMS and any other reasonable person would agree that the scope and duration of intellectual property must be drastically cut back.

Yes, the NeXTStep dock was different and more advanced from that of twm. However, the point was that at least there was a kind of dock independent of NeXT.

I actually believe that some of the smartest most innovative people in the world make OSS / FS software. Alot of very innovative brilliant solutions were created and cultivated in our community. It was people in our community (and I refer to the OSS & FS as one community here). It was a very brilliant Valkonen who decided to make a WM for Linux where separate instances of an application would be grouped into a frame of tabs. I really wish that the people who work on WindowMaker would incorporate tabbed windowing. Its really so superior to other methods. I have some ideas of my own, which include cascade retention.

Ah, I guess I didn't explain what I meant well at all :) I meant that voila.fr seems to be a web portal type thing where they basically are their domain name--i.e. they're named after their domain name. Whereas voila.hu is the domain for a magazine--the domain is named after the magazine.

Doing it in the same way that I'm used to doing it ... is greatly preferable to learning a whole new layout...

Okay... well I admit I have no idea why you need to type accented chars, or how often you need to do it. I just do it occasionally, and for me, it's no big deal to switch between the Windows US-International layout and the Mac layout. Since the majority of my typing is English, I don't think of the Mac as a whole new layout (even though they are completely different for the accented chars). Anyways, my feeling is that the majority of users will be happy with the standard layouts... people in the US will happily use the US layout, people in Germany will use the German layout, etc... and it'll be the same between Windows and the Mac. I think the percentage of people who want to use the US layout, but also want to type accented characters is small and not worth worrying about.

Actually, I do have a keyboard layout complaint, but it applies to both Windows and Mac... neither provide the standardized Thai keyboard layout, but rather use their legacy layouts that have been around since Win 3.1 and System 6, respectively. While it's understandable that they'd keep their old layouts around since the Thai layout was only standardized in 1995, they really should include the standard one now that it exists.

I doubt it has anything to do with French or Icelandic. Look instead at old and middle English and it makes perfect sense.

Old and middle English are dead languages... Icelandic is still spoken, but it's a comparatively minor language. The ð and are in ISO 8859-1 for Icelandic, not for old and middle English. As this page about Latin1 says, "This character (), originally a runic letter, was included into ISO Latin 1 due to its use in Icelandic. It is also used in Old English." and "ISO Latin 1 was designed mainly for use with languages of western Europe. These languages use Latin alphabets with some extensions. More exactly, ISO Latin 1 was designed with the following languages in mind: Danish, Dutch, English, Faeroese, Finnish, French, German, Icelandic, Irish, Italian, Norwegian, Portuguese, Spanish and Swedish. However, for Finnish and French it is not quite sufficient; see my notes on ISO Latin 9."

1. I like the size and convenience of the iBook. It has Unix on it and that makes it useful for me to carry to clients' sites and check out their network. Normally I carry a Linux laptop for this but the P-120 laptop (my wife's old machine) is too slow for a useful GUI.

What's "useful" ? I've got a P120 laptop I use pwm on and it's plenty useful. The most I need to do is run some xterms and occassionally netscape. Not particularly resource intensive there.

Try ion. Forget the eye candy. This is the vi of X window managers. You can't get more *nix than that.

I don't think I am. If you could understand finnish, you could read this and a number of others, the naming of the degree might be different, but what you study is exactly same. Once more, to me - it is astonishing, if a wireless degree is news in US.

Tuomo Valkonen has written a window manager called PWM that sounds like the sort of thing you're talking about. Windows are grouped together into frames with tabs along the top. I don't know if the windows automatically group together by application but you can certainly do it manually by dragging windows (or tabs) in and out of frames.

I keep a template of the email handy, so that only a few seconds are required to make the complaint to both the webmaster AND two others who are as high up in the firm as I can discover in a quick web search.

<script type="text/javascript"><!--
function popup(){
newwin = window.open('','universalpopup','width=150,height= 150,resizable=1');}
//--></script><a href="bigger.picture.gif" target="universalpopup" onclick="popup();">Make picture bigger</a>

Who says he planned on using KDE or GNOME? I'm running a 486 laptop without X installed, and it's blazingly fast - and very useful. I write papers on it with vim, print from it, connect to the net via links, check my email, and even play the occasional game of nethack.

A slightly beefier system sits to my left - a P75, running Ion, which uses very few system resources. It has X installed, and is quite nice for doing development work.

$200 is still a significant chunk of change - that's two months of food for me, or almost a month's rent, for example. A free system is not something to be turned up - you just don't install the bloatware that most people are clamoring for.

laserdisc, quite sure of it... check out -> The laserdisc FAQ

Anwyay, before we try to make 3D representations of objects in the air we should try to make them in 2D reliably. We had to learn to walk before we ran, now didn't we?