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Keyboarding Love Or Keyboarding Pain

flyingember writes "Over on Ars, they've done the ultimate review for anyone who sits at a computer more than someone on AOL does, the IMAK Smart Gloves. These gloves are supposed to both prevent and help ease pain associated with conditions such as carpal tunnel syndrome. Read it to see if our code monkey enjoys the gloves or if they're just something for him to throw at the gawking crowd."

276 comments

  1. Yeah and by Cat_Byte · · Score: 2, Funny

    It also works well for beating the hell out of any key to continue. I think one of those pictures looks like a rat attacking a hand.

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    1. Re:Yeah and by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      also works well for beating other things. can anyone say repetitive motion injury?

    2. Re:Yeah and by grumpygrodyguy · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Mentioning beating, how are we supposed to jerk off with those things on?

      Thanks but I'll pass.

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    3. Re:Yeah and by grumpygrodyguy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Much obliged for modding this redundant.

      Guess most slashdot readers already know this. My mistake.

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    4. Re:Yeah and by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but - are they any good for ordering a TAB -cola?

    5. Re:Yeah and by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's in the post right above you, you whiney dipshit.

      You do know what redundant means right? I know it is a whole bunch of syllables.

    6. Re:Yeah and by Del+Vach · · Score: 1

      "All this computer hacking is making me thirsty!"

  2. Can it get any nerdier? by ekrout · · Score: 5, Funny

    Glasses? Check.
    Dorky parted hair? Check.
    High-pitched, nasally voice? Check.
    Skinny fragile body? Check.
    Computer gloves? Check.

    Sigh.

    So much for useful innovation...

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    1. Re:Can it get any nerdier? by inode_buddha · · Score: 2

      This makes me wonder if it's possible to get carpal tunnel, etc. from spanking the monkey (http://www.monkeypoem.com)

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    2. Re:Can it get any nerdier? by SmoothOperator · · Score: 1

      Yes. With a pocket protector in place.

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    3. Re:Can it get any nerdier? by l810c · · Score: 2
      Slashdot? Check.

      Me.Duck

    4. Re:Can it get any nerdier? by MattCohn.com · · Score: 2, Funny

      Me.Duck

      Object oriented postings? Check.

      But seriously, at least he didn't start numbering his items from zero...

    5. Re:Can it get any nerdier? by cicatrix1 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      ????. Check
      Profit!!. Check?

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    6. Re:Can it get any nerdier? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hey, my hair ain't parted!!!

    7. Re:Can it get any nerdier? by squarefish · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Pocket protector? Check.

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    8. Re:Can it get any nerdier? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually, damn I feel so outta place here on slashdot... no whiney nasal voice, no frail body, don't wear glasses ('cept my okleys) and no goddamn pocket protector either.

      ugh, I'm drunk

    9. Re:Can it get any nerdier? by AndroidCat · · Score: 3, Funny

      Nerdy .. Slashdot
      Nerdier .. Using the email feature for when you get a reply or are modded.
      Nerdiest .. Noticing the replies or moderation before you get the email.

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    10. Re:Can it get any nerdier? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "actually, damn I feel so outta place here on slashdot... [...] don't wear glasses ('cept my okleys)"

      I know why you're here! It could be one of two things, or maybe both..
      • You're a pathetic poser. Oakleys? Please. Spend the money on some consultation time about that insecurity.
      • You can't spell worth shit. Hey, MANY of your brethren are here.


      If you're going to be a poser, you need to know how to spell the names of the stupid trinkets you waste your money on to try to "look cool."
    11. Re:Can it get any nerdier? by praedor · · Score: 2

      Of course. You should keep your back straight (posture!) and do not flip your wrist. Yes, yes, you may do a "better" job with a bent wrist but you are asking for RSI. Straighten your wrist, straighten your back, and you and your monkey will do fine even. Err, with regards to RSI. Can't do anything about the acquired blindness.

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    12. Re:Can it get any nerdier? by juhaz · · Score: 1

      Never ever heard about a pocket protector before. And didn't know what it was for until I googled a bit.

      Is this solely US'ish custom or am I the only one that went "WTF is a pocket protector?"

    13. Re:Can it get any nerdier? by SmoothOperator · · Score: 1

      Are you serious? It is part of every stereotypical image of a nerd/geek.... Thick glasses, short sleeve button-down shirt with a gawdy tie, and a pocket protector in the breast pocket...

      Ah, an American cultural icon!

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  3. This worked for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I had a moderate case of tendonitis from keyboarding and mousing about 2 years ago, and this thing does work.

    I like the fact that you can still bend your wrist as much as you want, but you are gently reminded that you are bending, so you eventually stop doing it. It's not constricting like those braces.

    1. Re:This worked for me by Sad+Loser · · Score: 4, Informative

      tendonitis is real, CTS is real, most doctors would say that RSI patients tend to be nutters.
      (IMHO, IAAD)
      rest and splinting are standared treatments for tendonitis and CTS. Use whatever works but CTS has a genetic component, and other diseases may also predispose you to it. CTS is not really classified as an 'overuse injury'in that overuse is not proven to cause it, although overuse may exacerbate the symptoms, if you appreciate the difference

      tendonitis is an overuse injury, and splinting, drugs like ibuprofen and steroid injections are all useful.

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    2. Re:This worked for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, RSI is caused by the mind. I had RSI and now know the real reason:

      Follow this link for more information.

      Or this link to the Google cache if you can't view a Word document

    3. Re:This worked for me by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Yes, RSI is caused by the mind. I had RSI and now know the real reason:

      Yes, RSI has one unique cause, always.

      Just like asthma. And autism. And air crashes.

      I'm assuming that you aren't old enough to remember the bad old days when desks were too high, chairs too low, keyboards too thick & too stiff, etc etc. Try coding all day with your hands 3 inches below your chin and the monitor face 6 inches from your nose, with a PHB checking your LOC per day.

      Kids today, sheesh!

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    4. Re:This worked for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ummm... I've been using computers for the last 15 years. Did you even read the document I linked to??? It really makes sense. Do you really think the human body is so fragile that it can't heal itself?

      Granted, I'm young and didn't experience the "bad old days" except maybe that I started using computers when I was so small (9 yrs old) that I was coding with my hands 3 inches below my chin.

      I think of what you said, the most important factor is the PHB checking your lines of code.

      Please read the link. It explains RSI, back pain, and a ton of other ailments in a way that actually makes sense (many of which I've had and were all caused by the mind and easilly cured at that). The human body is NOT fragile. If you don't believe it, it obviously won't work for you, but hey, it's your life and you can be in pain if you'd like.

      I'm willing to admit that my pain was caused by my mind. I'm not ashamed to admit it. People can learn from me, I'm not the only one, I see this everywhere. I wouldn't be typing if it weren't true. I now use my hands/arms literally all day long, without any real break except the 7 or 8 hours of sleep I get. Life is good again, and I hate to see other people going through the same thing I did when there's an easy solution.

    5. Re:This worked for me by juhaz · · Score: 1

      YOUR RSI, and many other cases might have psychosomatic cause, but that doesn't mean that it's always so.

      Human body IS fragile when it comes to things it's not designed to do, and people DO get wrist, and other problems from using computers too much, even if it's only a hobby without any emotional stress to cause psychic problems.

      World is not black and white.

    6. Re:This worked for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but I disagree (I should mention my neurologist totally agreed with this theory as well). I would say that 99% of the cases are psychosomatic. And the 1% that aren't, are not RSI and are probably more serious. Of course there are serious illnesses that can cause pain and should not be confused with all this, but that's not what I'm talking about here. The entire idea of "repetitive strain injury" is psychosomatic. Chronic pain in the arms cannot come from typing too much. The human body hasn't been "designed." We've evolved. And to think that we've evolved in such a way that simple use of our body can lead to disability is ridiculous. People have done intricate and repetitive things with their hands for centuries and have not had these kinds of problems.

      I will give you this much: I think it is possible on a given day, to use the computer in such a way that you have pain at the end of the day. But healing is spontaneous and should happen immediately.

      Sure, I can argue this for days, but I can't explain it as well as Dr. John Sarno does. If his book "The Mindbody Prescription" doesn't convince you after repeated readings, then well, there are other people with slight variations of this same idea, the differences are in what the source of the problem is -- Sarno thinks its repressed emotions, other people have somewhat different ideas, but they are all talking about the mind.

      I know I'm basically trying to discredit all this information we've been hearing for the past few decades (mainly in the last decade). But do you really take all information is truth? Even doctors say conditions like thoracic outlet syndrome, etc are very vague. The medical professionals are baffled by all this, they don't have a definite cure for any of this. The recent back epidemic is another example, and it should be noted that it is recent and nothing something that's been going on for very long (last 50 years). Ulcer's and TMJ (jaw grinding and clenching) are other typical examples. If you have pain, read up, this concerns you. It may be coming from me as opinion, but don't doubt until you've given the idea a fair chance.

      The world IS NOT black and white. Its filled with colorful illusions.

  4. dvorak by YahoKa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    switching to dvorak would probably help more than theses gloves...

    1. Re:dvorak by CanadaDave · · Score: 4, Funny

      I never liked John Dvorak's stupid newspaper articles.

    2. Re:dvorak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      John Dvorak isn't associated with wrist pain but a
      pain where the sun don't shine.

    3. re:dvorak by Elbows · · Score: 2, Informative

      Only if you have the time to adjust to it...
      I tried switching to Dvorak once, but I was spending like 4-5 hours a day at the computer, doing homework, talking on IM, etc. The result was a lot of tension and a lot of pain, and after a month there hadn't been a significant improvement so I gave it up.

      I might try it again someday if I could restrict my computer use to half an hour of typing practice each day, for 3-4 weeks (like that will ever happen)

    4. Re:dvorak by tigertigr · · Score: 1

      I never liked John Dvorak's stupid newspaper articles.

      Yes, but he's a hell of a typist!

    5. Re:dvorak by Graspee_Leemoor · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, I do roll out this story of mine every time, but here we go again.

      I switched to Dvorak layout AND touch typing from being a very fast (70wpm) 6-finger-looking-at-the-keyboard-qwerty guy.

      Not only that, but I switched right in the middle of a big VB project I was working on.

      For the first week it was amusing. I would have typed out half of a word and I'd be staring at the screen going "L- now where is it? erm erm erm- ah! Now, S.... erm..."

      I know that it would have better to do some sort of typing exercises or something to make the switch but I didn't want to be typing everything else in qwerty and getting myself confused.

      The results, after a couple of months were astonding: my RSI-like symptoms were gone and only come back slightly when I am forced to use a non-split keyboard. (Note that I can actually type faster these days on a non-split keyboard but it sure as hell isn't good for me).

      I am now up to about 70 wpm again which is only the same as before, I admit, but typing is a lot more comfortable and of course I don't have to look at the keyboard as I type, which increased my score in Typing of the Dead no end. (By the way, I totally recommend this game to people who want to practice Dvorak).

      I was amazed at myself in the end- not for the fact that I had got rid of my RSI-like symptoms, but because I had managed to achieve the same typing speed after only about 5 months that I had had with my old technique, which had been built up over about 20 years.

      graspee

    6. Re:dvorak by rherbert · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      You've got six fingers on one hand, or is that the total between the two?

    7. Re:dvorak by Starquake · · Score: 1

      I agree wholeheartedly. I just took a DB exam yesterday, and we had to use QWERTY keyboards because ITS at my school won't let you install anything useful. Long story short it hurt after about 10 minutes of typing. At home on my Dvorak keyboard, I can type for hours with no stress whatsoever. I recommend anyone with wrist strain (which I'm sure everyone has by now to some degree) switch to Dvorak. It takes some time to learn, but once you do it is *much* faster and easier than QWERTY.

    8. Re:dvorak by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2, Interesting
      It takes some time to learn, but once you do it is *much* faster and easier than QWERTY.
      If it works for you, great, but the case isn't really that clear-cut. Studies show little or no difference.
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    9. Re:dvorak by thgreatoz · · Score: 0

      I was typing this paper once. It was a really good paper... But then, my fingers started getting all cramped, and I couldn't feel my wrist. Plus I was typing slow. Then I switched to Dvorak. Now my wrists feel great, and I'm flying across the keyboard at 75 wpm! I finished my paper in record time and got an A+. My name is Kevin, and I'm a student...

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    10. Re:dvorak by rleibman · · Score: 1

      Anectdotal, I know, but my experience mirrors yours very closely. Long live Dvorak keyboards!
      Now my biggest complaint of pain has to do with the stupid mouse wheel, which is VERY useful, but also a very unatural movement
      aoueidhtns!!!!!!
      I also speak Esperanto, vote Libertarian and use Linux.

    11. Re:dvorak by Doppler00 · · Score: 2

      I think more needs to be done to educate people about dvorak. If you know the dvorak layout, show it to people you know. From experience, it only takes abotu 2 weeks to learn and after that it's much easier to type. I've been able to convince 3 other people to learn the layout. If it can go from just a few people typing it -> a few thousand geeks -> it may eventually reach the main stream. This is really one of the few things that could really help improve user experience with computers if it is taught from the start.

    12. Re:dvorak by rywilly · · Score: 1

      I totally agree. I wouldn't have known about Dvorak if it wasn't for my high school science teacher, who had a Dvorak keyboard. I used to have a hard time typing, so I learned Dvorak in a matter of days, and after 2 weeks, I was typing faster than in Qwerty! It really is a more efficient layout, and people should know about it.

    13. Re:dvorak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clueless moderators! MOD THIS UP!

      Maybe you missed the whole Ellen Feiss incident. Can't you see the hiliarity?

  5. This is great, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    What really would be good for the holidays....A stress ball! For all the time spent fixing their server!

  6. dirty mind by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 5, Funny

    I admit it. I'm a big perv. But when I read "keyboarding love," I thought it was a new euphemism for cybersex.

    Man, that is flagrant false advertising.

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    1. Re:dirty mind by motardo · · Score: 4, Funny

      is that why your keys are sticky?

    2. Re:dirty mind by l810c · · Score: 5, Funny
      I admit it. I'm a big perv. But when I read "keyboarding love," I thought it was a new euphemism for cybersex

      It does hide the hair on your palm.

    3. Re:dirty mind by CanadaDave · · Score: 1, Troll

      Oh, I get it, because his hands got sweaty and the sweat got into the keyboard. That's a good one.

    4. Re:dirty mind by CoolVibe · · Score: 3, Funny

      As the title does mention keyboarding love _and_ pain, I though of S&M practices with keyboards first... Oh well

    5. Re:dirty mind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actaully, i think he means from all the semen that he ejaculates onto them while masturbating to pornography he views online. ;)

    6. Re:dirty mind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I concur. A sticky keyboard is commonly, as you have stated, meant to imply that the keyboard is covered in semen. Good call.

    7. Re:dirty mind by slide-rule · · Score: 1

      Relatedly, the first thing that came to my mind was...

      Person A: qwd43f1dvzs21sdfa1sdv....
      Person B: So you're a southpaw, eh?

  7. Smart? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Smart Gloves

    What's so smart about them? Do they intelligently do the typing for me? Now that I'd pay for.

  8. Geek Factor by Professor_Quail · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Was I the only one who thought this was going to be something cool and geeky since its on Slashdot? I was hoping it would be something like the P5 glove, except it would allow you to type in mid-air. I did read an article on something like that one time, but the last I heard it was just a prototype.

    1. Re:Geek Factor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, how about a PRACTICAL story, instead of just "hmm, that's cool", and then back to our 15 hour days at the keyboard, with aching eyes and wrists...

    2. Re:Geek Factor by blincoln · · Score: 2

      I can't be the only one who looked at that site and thought "I love the Power Glove, because it's bad!", can I?

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  9. Gloves wont help. by packeteer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A glove will either restrict your movement to keep you from moving in the wrong way which will cause physical stress from the unnatural movement. Or it wont restrict your movement at all and might jsut be uncomfortable. These gloves prevent you from moving your wrists wrong but even if it holds you wrist in place the muscles and tendons are still being strained as they try to move.

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    1. Re:Gloves wont help. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      maybe if you studied medicine you would know that splinting the wrist works to relieve tendonitis.

    2. Re:Gloves wont help. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm impressed. You can evaluate a medical treatment with no evidence or training. You are either a higher life form, a troll, or an idiot. So far as I can tell, damn few higher life forms hang around on /.

      I'm not sure which is worse... a troll or an idiot.

    3. Re:Gloves wont help. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RTF article.
      HTH
      HAND

    4. Re:Gloves wont help. by alonsoac · · Score: 1

      someone up there said that the gloves don't actually keep you from moving but they remind you when you do move so you start doing it less. Which sounds logical to me.

    5. Re:Gloves wont help. by gCGBD · · Score: 1

      They certainly do help.

      I'm wearing the SoftFlex gloves even as I type this.

      They've been helping me reduce hand and wrist pain.

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    6. Re:Gloves wont help. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your tone implies you know what you're talking about. But your content clearly indicates that you don't. And your sig has an incorrect unix command in it. All of which combine to make you a boil on the pimply arse of the world.

  10. Mouse Mitts? by kabir · · Score: 2

    These things look like a bean-bag version of Mouse Mitts, which have been around for years. While they aren't a panacea I have found the proper use of Mouse Mitts actually did help me out (though not in isolation, of course... it's always important to alter damaging behaviours, etc.).

    While the bean bag thing is interesting, really these don't look like anything new.

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  11. It's kinda hard by nuckin+futs · · Score: 3, Funny

    to masturbate while wearing that. isn't that why we're all in front of the computer? :P

    1. Re:It's kinda hard by CoolVibe · · Score: 1
      Yeah, but with THESE you won't get RSI or CTS when doing it. The pads 'n beads 'n stuff only add to the enjoyment I guess :)

      Didn't you see the hair that guy's palms? Oh wait duh... He was wairing the gloves

    2. Re:It's kinda hard by The+Snowman · · Score: 1

      to masturbate while wearing that. isn't that why we're all in front of the computer?

      While you're at work? And I take it you didn't get caught? Good job! Now tell me how you did it.

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    3. Re:It's kinda hard by Digital11 · · Score: 1

      Lol, you mean you've never masturbated at work???...

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    4. Re:It's kinda hard by CoolVibe · · Score: 1
      Good job! Now tell me how you did it.

      Well... You step into a vacated office, lock the door, close the window, boot up the workstation, load your favorite pr0n website and have a wank.

      There, mission acomplished! :)

    5. Re:It's kinda hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      to masturbate while wearing that. isn't that why we're all in front of the computer?

      While you're at work? And I take it you didn't get caught? Good job! Now tell me how you did it.


      Blow your load in the washroom. Good "job" indeed.

  12. My solution by Devil's+BSD · · Score: 2

    Those things look a lot like like those sport grip glove things you see people at the Y wearing.
    But anyway, I found a "massager neck pillow" at a garage sale, and integrated the massaging unit into my wrist rest, so whenever I push down hard enough on the rest, it feels really nice. I don't know how much this helps prevent carpal tunnel syndrome compared to these gloves, but it sure feels good whenever my hands get tired.

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    1. Re:My solution by rudedog · · Score: 2

      Xwrits is good, but Workrave is even better. It enforces periodic rest breaks like xwrits, plus it does timed microbreaks and a daily limit on typing. Plus, it's cross platform, so it runs on windows or Linux. Needs Gnome, though.

    2. Re:My solution by //-izer · · Score: 1

      I use xwrits too. But it isn't necessary to get a splinting device like "smart gloves". Handeze gloves have been around for years (see google) and can be found at many chain pharmacies in the ace bandage section. When combined with frequent breaks and stretching, it holds the RSI at bay.

    3. Re:My solution by sn0wcrash · · Score: 1

      Regular breaks are a must. I suggest smoking... but only outside. Your nicotine desire will force your butt out the door to take a 5-10 minute break regularly so you can burn one. Works for my anyhow!

      Which rmeinds me...

    4. Re:My solution by bandy · · Score: 1
      Hm.... RSI or lung Cancer?


      Tough choice.

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  13. link? by Nate+Fox · · Score: 2, Informative

    how bout a link to the actual article?

  14. From the review... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    The heels of the gloves contain a pocket of beads

    Bring on the pr0n, baby, bring on the pr0n!!! I sure hope these gloves are washable!

  15. Couple this with Dvorak... by MattRog · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Also try switching to Dvorak.

    You probably won't be any faster, but your fingers *will* travel less. I know I used to have pain in my hands after long coding sessions at work on Querty - after switching to Dvorak I can say I have regained my previous speed (after three months or so) and long coding sessions no longer produce painful fingers!

    Of course, you should see your doctor immediately upon RSI-type pain.

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    1. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by CanadaDave · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Is it tough to go back to Qwerty, once you've mastered Dvorak? I mean, if I go a friend's computer (without Dvorak setting turned on) and start typing, am I going to be able to remember the Qwerty style?

    2. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by Fizgig · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You'll feel a little frustrated at first, but for a week after you've mastered Dvorak, practice 50/50 Dvorak/QWERTY and after that you'll be set. I have a few seconds of confusion at a new keyboard, but other than that, it's fine.

    3. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by MattRog · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It depends on how often you switch back and forth. If I go a long time (a month) I sit there like an idiot in front of the keyboard hunting and pecking for a while until I can remember.

      If you regularly use QUERTY there should be no problem, really. Of course, if your friend uses Windows 2000/XP it is incredibly easy to temporarily change to Dvorak and back. That's what I end up doing if I need to use another computer for any length of time.

      The problem comes into play when playing some games - most Quake derivatives (Half-Life, Medal of Honor: Allied Assault, etc.) use hard-coded Querty key layouts, so your keys revert back to Querty. Just something to keep in mind.

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    4. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by IIRCAFAIKIANAL · · Score: 3, Informative

      At least you are making a claim about Dvorak that perhaps makes sense (contrary to popular belief, Dvorak layout does not lead to superior typing speeds - see this) - has anyone researched whether Dvorak would help with RSI's? No offence to the parent, but I can't just go on one anecodote here :)

      I personally can't switch as I need to be able to sit down on anyones PC and just start typing... I don't seem to get RSI pain at all, but I'm sure it will start in a few years, given I am a gamer and a programmer...

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    5. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by Steve+X · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Early on in my second year at college,my hands had been tingling from too many late nights, days, and afternoons coding and chatting. I started to get freaked out (I mean, really, where's a coder if his hands are dead?). So I switched to Dvorak.

      Dovrak is wonderful - much less finger travel and a better balance of the hands (try typing english words with just your left hand vs. just your right hand in qwerty and you'll see what i mean). But Dvorak alone won't help you.

      The most important thing I found about switching from Qwerty to Dvorak is that I actually learned to touch type properly. Not having an actual Dvorak keyboard to look at the keys, I simply stopped looking as I typed and started relearning how to touch type. Mind you, I could touch type in Qwerty, but not fingers-on-homerow, actually-using-your-pinkeys typing.

      It was the proper relearning that I think really made my hands stop hurting. My fingers move substantially less than my poor Qwerty skills and as such, less strain from long finger reaches.

      Many people I encounter say, "oh, i'd learn Dvorak but then i could never use anyone else's computer" or "it'd take too long to learn" Yeah, it's true: it does take dedication. One can't just sit down in front of a Dvorak keyboard, not knowing it, and not get frustrated trying to type in real-time conversations.

      I found the best way to learn was to type class notes. That way, not only was I only limited by my own speed (not the speed of the conversation), but it provided good incentive to type faster (more notes).

      As for switching between the two: this is also a challenge, but well-worth overcoming. I kept getting confused at first which key was what in which mapping, but over time, I eventually got used to them as seperate layouts and my brain formed a nice distinction between the two. I can still type about as fast in Qwerty as I could before (though, honestly, i havn't tried recently), and I can type as fast, if not faster, in Dvorak.

    6. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by kirkjobsluder · · Score: 2

      Dvorak may help some cases but it depends on exactly which bad typing habit causes the problem. Dvorak has not helped me much because I learned to type back on typewriters that required a much firmer touch. As a result I tend to be a "pounder" unless I think very hard about typing.

      Basically my experience with RSI is that there is no "one size fits all" solution.

    7. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by Idarubicin · · Score: 1
      I know I used to have pain in my hands after long coding sessions at work on Querty...

      The biggest problem is the long reach to the backspace key. After developing carpal tunnel syndrome, it's just not worth the trouble to reach over and retype QWERTY correctly.

      How hard is it to spell, really? You just have to roll your hand across the top row of the keyboard...

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    8. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by MattRog · · Score: 5, Informative

      Correct, most "Dvorak is faster than Qwerty" claims are not based on fact. Theoretically, though, your fingers travel less so perhaps you can type faster. I haven't coded Qwerty in a long time so I do not know what speeds are, but I am confident I am no slower.

      Most RSI help claims are, of course, anecdotal, but from what I have seen virtually everyone who has switched has seen vast improvements in comfort - that I can't ignore.

      A short list of pros and cons are here:
      http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/procon.html

      Note that no claims of speed superiority are made - most speed claims are made by uninformed converts and not by evangelists.

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    9. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by MattRog · · Score: 2

      No, because I do not use Qwerty (duh). :rolls eyes:

      I actually just caught it on my previous post because I was spell checking it in Word.

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    10. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Hehe, first post.

      Anyway, I switched to Dvorak close to three years ago now. My advice is to get an old IBM Model M keyboard. Besides the fact that they are simply the best keyboards ever made, the removable keycaps means that you can make a Dvorak board in about 10 minutes. It looks great, and can be switched back to Qwerty in about 10 minutes if you are so inclined.

      As for switching over, it's really tough at first. The first fews days I could not type a paragraph in less than 5 minutes. But after a couple of weeks I was banging away. Now that I have used my board for several years, I have found I am silghtly faster, at typing - but with much fewer errors - so the resulting speed is considerably greater. And basically no physical stress after long typing sessions.

      As for switching back and forth, when I first switched over I did not use Qwerty very much, so when I was confronted with any other computer in the planet my typing speed was awful. Gradually, I relearned Qwerty and can type at a reasonable speed on it now, but with tons of errors (my fingers have a tendency to hunt out the Dvorak location for keys) I even tried keeping my lesser used computer as Qwerty as practice, but switched it over recently as it was driving me absolutely nuts. (I can't stand Qwerty anymore, my fingers feel like they are doing some awkward dance every time I use one now)

      Also, the Dvorak board is also good for other things, like the look of people's faces when they sit down in front of your computer. And it's also a great security feature too. Oh yeah, if you do this at work your coworkers will hate you.

    11. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by Sludge · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's alright, sometimes I forgek ,jgij mdkjsh Gqm ktrglu gl alh G ysoudk ks pssv ak kjd mslgkso yso a ,jgpde

    12. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by MattRog · · Score: 1

      All apologies on the repeated misspellings of QWERTY. I subliminally think "QU" and type it as such. :(

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    13. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by juju2112 · · Score: 2

      I junt switched to dvorak a few days ago. I'm still pretty slow, but I am getting faster much more quickly than I would have expected. Anyway, I don't forsee any problem going back and forth. All you have to do is go into the control panel and change your keyboard settings. And if you're on Linux, just type 'loadkeys dvorak' in the console and 'setxkbmap -layout dvorak' in X. It's pretty simple.

      The strange thing is the fear in people's eyes when you change their keyboard layout. Like you won't be able to change it back or something. It really frightens them.

    14. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by lazelank · · Score: 1

      please tell me that you typed this with dvorak. cause if you misspelled qwerty on a qwerty keyboard..

    15. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by darxpryte · · Score: 1
      This may get a redundant but I just wanted to pitch in as a dvorak typist primarily. I currently switch between using my TiBook and my Kinesis keyboard at work (who's interestingly enough in the same business park as I am). I use Dvorak on both of them.

      If you don't use Qwerty much you *will* forget it if you don't use it for 4 months or so. This happened in my case. However, like not using a second language after learning it, it's easier to pick up again which I had to do after starting a new job. I'd equate typing both Qwerty and Dvorak a lot like knowing two languages. Since I have to use Querty from time to time to admin other systems, I've still retained it, but I'm much better at (and prefer) Dvorak.

      Since I make a living from being able to type well, CTS scares the hell out of me so I've not bothered trying to going back to Qwerty. Plus like other people said, your fingers move a lot less when you type Dvorak. It also has the nice added bonus of people less frequently trying to "borrow" my computer when I'm not using it.

    16. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by tigertigr · · Score: 1

      ,jgij mdkjsh Gqm ktrglu gl alh G ysoudk ks pssv ak kjd mslgkso yso a ,jgpde

      Please tell me this is just gibberish, or I will be forced to write a shell script that maps Dvorak chars to Qwerty chars. It's gibberish, right? Please, God, let it be gibberish!!

    17. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by Darkforge · · Score: 2

      Please tell me this is just gibberish, or I will be forced to write a shell script that maps Dvorak chars to Qwerty chars. It's gibberish, right? Please, God, let it be gibberish!!

      Nope. It's Dvorak, alright. It's nothing exciting. It just says:

      which method I'm typing on and I forget to look at the monitor for a while.

      Hslqk ysoudk ks hoglv tsfo S.apkgld! z)

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    18. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by Jester99 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Uhm... Just one correction: in Half-Life, you can bind your controls to anything you'd like. Unreal Tournament is the same.

      I think most modern games allow you to rebind your keys; everyone has their own "perfect" layout and they want it just a bit different.

    19. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by tdegruyl · · Score: 1

      Yeah, after a while, it is just like working on a keyboard with the control key in the wrong place (below shift, that is). You get used to switching, but you still make mistakes.

    20. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by LegendLength · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think what he is saying is binding to the 'Q' key in Half-Life will bind to the top left physical key regardless of whether you are in Qwerty or Dvorak mode.

    21. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by stype · · Score: 2

      I probably went a year without typing qwerty, once I started using dvorak. It took me a couple minutes to get used to qwerty again, but I can still type just as fast as I used to. Its kind of weird too....when I picked up dvorak, I started typing more correctly...ie, fingers on home row, using the correct fingers to hit the keys. When I go back to qwerty, I still use only about 2 fingers on each hand and fly all over the place just like I used to. Switching keyboards is a fun mental experiment.

      For fun, try remapping caps lock to backspace and vice versa. That alone will screw you up for a while, but is worth it in the long run. (til you use another keyboard).

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    22. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by x1048576 · · Score: 1
      At least you are making a claim about Dvorak that perhaps makes sense (contrary to popular belief, Dvorak layout does not lead to superior typing speeds - see this)
      However, those guys get so carried away debunking the claim that Dvorak is much faster that they go too far and claim that Dvorak isn't any faster. The best estimate is that Dvorak is 5-10% faster. See this 1982 Usenet posting from Don Norman or read his book The Design of Everyday Things. Heck, read the book anyway.

      As for Dvorak and keyboard pain, I don't think there have been any scientific studies, but lots of people think it does help and often any sort of change helps RSIs.

    23. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When most people switch to Dvorak, the learning curve slows down their typing. While I understant the Dvorak layout is statistically superior, it still places a similar amount of stress on the hands. Couldn't the switching period actually be part of the healing process? Think about it: by slowing down your typing speed for that period of three months, you are basically putting your hands through a period of rehabilitation and restrengthening. There's nothing to say that the Dvorak layout causes fewer problems than the QWERTY layout.

    24. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Type qwerty yourself without just dragging a finger along the top row of letters... It's actually pretty difficult. Even more so when you're on a split keyboard.

    25. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by Spoing · · Score: 1

      I can't speak about Dvorak to Qwerty, though I have worked conferences where there were a few different keyboards (UK, Belgian, German) and after a short bit of practice I could switch between them fluidly.

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    26. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by IIRCAFAIKIANAL · · Score: 2

      Yes, the article I linked says that there could be a marginal (5%) improvement in typing speed for average people but for expert typists, switching to dvorak did not increase their speed.

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    27. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by orasio · · Score: 1

      I dont know why all that fuss about interchangeable keycaps in IBM keyboard. Most low-end keyboards let you interchange their keys, you just need to pull harder. About the microswitch thing, I find its noise very annoying, mostly when I am not the one using it.

    28. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by frunch · · Score: 1

      Figuring out that your fingers travel much less in dvorak isn't tough. Just take the number of times you type each bigram in the english language (on average), and multiply each by the distance your fingers have to travel to reach that combination. (For example, TH requires no finger movement in dvorak, but movement by both index fingers in qwerty).

      What I can't understand are all these claims that "oh sure, you can move your hands less, but that doesn't mean you'll type faster". If you only have to drive your car 5 miles, instead of 10, you're going to get to your destination faster.

    29. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by x1048576 · · Score: 1

      But Don Norman says that Dvorak is 5-10% faster than Qwerty for experts. And he is an expert on this stuff, unlike the authors of your article.

    30. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by SuperPedro · · Score: 1

      Translation: "don't forget to drink your Ovaltine! ;)"

      That sig's a lousy commercial!

      Hahaha... Dang, now I'm bored again. lame. :(

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    31. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CTS/RSI should not scare the hell out of you. Read this entire document to find out why. Using this approach I am 100% cured of my RSI that I had for over a year. Knowledge is the cure. Nothing to fear but fear itself.

    32. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may get RSI if you expect to get it. Trust me, I've been through this already. Read the link, it'll change the way you look at these things.

    33. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by Doppler00 · · Score: 2

      No it is not difficult to switch between the two. I still type 40wpm in QWERTY and it only takes my mind about a second to switch between the two. The only problem I ever have with dvorak is when co-workers who try to use my computer :)

    34. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... by Doppler00 · · Score: 1

      It is possible to switch to dvorak and still retain your ability to use QWERTY. Just don't try switching between the two often while you are learning.

      BTW, the article you posted is often cited as a reason why dvorak is not better. However, I believe that more substantial research needs to be carried out, as this article is mostly opinion.

  16. News? by Flamesplash · · Score: 2

    If I'm not mistaken wrist splints/supports that aim to keep the wrist from moving are old news, and alone an ineffective solution. I think one of the best things to do is get a split keyboard of some kind. This alone helped my RSI out within days.

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    1. Re:News? by JVert · · Score: 1

      I agree, I tried wrist support for a few weeks, while fighting with them my symptoms eased from lack of typing (time well spent restrapping velcro). Requested an ergo at work and got one at home at the same time. It took I think 2 weeks to adjust completly, and even still I think i'm down 5wpm but I dont miss it at all. Per day I can type alot more now then I could with those "flat" keyboards. Which makes me realize, keystrokes are time, time is money, slashdot isn't free afterall!! (grrr, i'm still not used to this ontopic thing...)
      Go ergo keyboard!

    2. Re:News? by japhmi · · Score: 1
      Odd, my doctor told me that the fancy split keyboards are actually worse for CTS. They make your wrists bend upwards while typing. I found comfort with my wrist braces and having one gell-filled rest in front of the keyboard. The best way to type is supposedly to have the keyboard tilting town and away from you so your wrists fall onto it in a natural position.


      I also got 2 cortisone injections which makes things better, and I only have to wear the braces when I'm doing heavy typing. I'm also much more careful with things, because you can only have 3 injections before they start talking surgery.

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  17. Offtopic, but appropriate Google link... by dagg · · Score: 0, Offtopic
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    1. Re:Offtopic, but appropriate Google link... by joejoejoejoe · · Score: 1

      I had a couple of failed page loads.

      Then later it was up, but around 10:45pm-11:20pm I could not login, and a lot of pages like search, user, just redirected back to the home page...

      Obviously something was up. Check this thread, nothing got posted for nearly an hour. I tried a 'reply' link, while not logged in, and it just went back to the home page too.

      So yeah, something was whacked out.

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    2. Re:Offtopic, but appropriate Google link... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I do indeed believe hell has frozen over...

      ...you didn't link to that fucking tilesex website in your post.

    3. Re:Offtopic, but appropriate Google link... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes he did. It's in his damn sig.

    4. Re:Offtopic, but appropriate Google link... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Soviet Russia, tilesex posts YOU!

    5. Re:Offtopic, but appropriate Google link... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Soviet Russia, he did damns YOU!

  18. This has been around for um... 10 years? by JVert · · Score: 1

    Nothing new here, move on.
    These can be had at wallmart for $10.
    These could have been had for many years now...
    And yes she looks very comforatble holding her eyebrow with her thumb, try drinking coffee when you can't bend your wrists.

  19. cheaper alternative by kuroth · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Pick up a pair of wrist braces at the local drug store. Much cheaper, and they do the same thing.

    1. Re:cheaper alternative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, what part of $19.95 == $19.95 don't you understand? If you're going to link to something cheaper, make sure it's cheaper. Not only that, they don't "do the same thing". One is the equivelant to strapping a hunk of wood to your wrist to prevent it from bending, the other reminds you not to bend your wrist so often, and reduces strain when you do have to bend your wrist. Next time, read the story.

    2. Re:cheaper alternative by rudedog · · Score: 2

      Hmm, the "cheaper" alternative at CVS is $19.99, while the smart glove from the article is $19.95. Have you considered a remedial math course?

    3. Re:cheaper alternative by kuroth · · Score: 1

      It costs $8 to get the IMAK to my house. I can stop at a CVS on the way home for nothing.

      Cheaper.

    4. Re:cheaper alternative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HA! pulled out your little forum gun and lined up a shot aye? Good job! Next time try to line up the shot with something besides your foot, cause it got in the way!
      CVS is a pair, smart gloves are per hand.
      Wait, I think they are, no, these arn't 19.95 at all! its 4.99!? Gah confused, should stop message, cant stop!
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      form[0].postanon.checked = True
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      Ow!
      My Toe!

    5. Re:cheaper alternative by Kazimira · · Score: 1

      You can also go to your local sporting goods store and looks at their braces. I picked up one at Sports Auth with similar features for under $20.
      It had top and bottom braces which are removable and 3 velcro straps for adjustments.
      It's not a cure but it does help.

    6. Re:cheaper alternative by rudedog · · Score: 2

      Umm, you posted a correction to your original comment, saying "you want one that goes around the thumb", and linking to the following item:

      Futuro Wrist Brace Left
      Large
      1 EA
      $19.99

      Not a pair, not $4.99.

    7. Re:cheaper alternative by kuroth · · Score: 1

      That wasn't me posting AC.

      You're forgetting about shipping costs, like I said. You can probably buy the plain 'o beige-and-velcro within four minutes of your home, instead of sending away for it. You can also probably find a it cheaper than $20.

  20. The REAL solution to carpal tunnel syndrome... by OverRated · · Score: 4, Funny

    Obligatory UserFriendly comic.

  21. Sorry, wrong one by kuroth · · Score: 1

    You'll want the one that goes around the thumb, here.

  22. Uhhh is this just an advertisment or something? by Tmack · · Score: 1
    Or is there really something "Smart" about neopreen wrist wraps? I bought something similar many months ago at Wall-Mart for less than $10, the only difference is I didnt opt for the removable splint (removable strip of metal), as my wrist was sore from a Mtn Biking injury, not actually broken (as it was when I was 9ish, and then the brace I got did have it). Looks to me like just an advertising ploy.

    TM

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  23. Braces are bad by skwelch · · Score: 1, Informative

    I just stopped wearing a wrist brace to protect my thumb after a motorcycle accident (and no, airbags wouldn't have done much for me), but all it seemed to do is force my wrist straight at the expense of the rest of my body. Some decent form and posture seems like a much better way to help yourself.

  24. check out this pic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    maybe a good product but check out this classic backwards pic from there web site on this page

  25. this might seem off-the-wall... by nido · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...but if your computer is causing you pain, I speak the truth:

    1. check your insulin levels (no, it's not about diabetes)
    2. learn how to relax (body asleep/mind awake)
    3. get some exercise
    It's taken me three years to put this puzzle together, and that first point is probably the most important (I learned it last week, and cutting out the carbohydrates has already started to make a difference). email me if you need more guidance, i'll be happy to dish out some knowledge..

    links:
    on the subject of insulin - invert the frickin food pyramid
    why relaxin' is important - and some suggestions for getting started
    the exercise one - well, that one's kinda obvious, but is worthless without the other two.

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    1. Re:this might seem off-the-wall... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GRRR! RAR!
      Hippie freaks always get me worked up!
      Make my blood preasure rise!
      Make me eat too much candy!
      I hate them for it!!!

    2. Re:this might seem off-the-wall... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well i don't know about the insulin article, but things that can definitely make a difference:

      - posture and relaxation--this can be very difficult to get right, sometimes you don't know when you are clenching your muscles (in your arms, back, and neck). this is one area where you might need professional assistance. a keyboard tray adjusted properly and a keyboard that fits your body is very important too.

      - breaks -- don't type email or slashdot posts all night long! if you can just do computing at work, and cut back what you do at home you'll notice imrovement. try cutting off your isp for a few months and reading your email strictly at work. if you can't do this, you've got an addiction that is harming your body.

      - when conditions are bad, use the gloves. not forever, but try them out for a few weeks.

      -- exercise your arms in different ways. serious weight lifting isn't necessary, but anything to get the wrists or elbows moving in directions different than when at the keyboard is beneficial. foosball works great ;), but try whatever you find fun. biking and boxing (punching bags) i don't recommend, they are high impact and can put a lot of weight and your wrists.

      -- use vi not emacs. seriously, the ctrl and escape sequences are a real strain on the wrist.

    3. Re:this might seem off-the-wall... by RantRant · · Score: 1

      Exercise is key. I added wrists to my weight lifting routine and haven't had any problems since. My personal theory is that the resulting increased blood flow and strengthened muscles are better able to recover from the strains of typing all day.

  26. Flextend is a very good product, too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Flextend is a great product. My wife suffered from debilitating CTS, so bad that she had trouble using doorknobs and couldn't drive for more than 15 minutes at a time. She used the Flextend gloves for about 3 months and has normal use of her hands back.

    Flextend gloves aren't braces, but an exercise device. The idea is that by strengthening specific muscles in your wrists and forearms the small bones in your wrists will naturally align themselves properly, reducing the symptoms of CTS.

  27. Re:I got pain right here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now that's just wrong!

  28. Get some weights. Lift them. by xtal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I had some minor problems with wrists and my thumb that were really annoying. I used microsoft ergo keyboards, but they're not popular anymore and I needed a replacement. I got a good quality normal one. I've used the really nice IBM monsters in the past, still have one in fact.. but my girlfriend can hear it across the house, so that's not a long term option. *click click click*

    The solution for me was when I started lifting weights.. the problems just went away. Get some free weights and a curl bar, cut back on the typing for a little while and then give it 6 months of 20 minutes three times a week. You'll look better, be stronger, and I bet your RSI will be better, too.

    And stop typing when it hurts!

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    1. Re:Get some weights. Lift them. by shepd · · Score: 1

      >Get some free weights and a curl bar, cut back on the typing for a little while and then give it 6 months of 20 minutes three times a week. You'll look better, be stronger, and I bet your RSI will be better, too.

      Or learn to type on a manual typewriter. Well, it might not make you look better or get you very strong, but you didn't hear anything 'bout RSI on those.

      Of course, a side effect is the fact that any keyboard that isn't built like a tank will be destroyed in no time. This can be good if you're in a cheap workplace and prefer a clean keyboard.

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    2. Re:Get some weights. Lift them. by kiddailey · · Score: 1

      I actually have to agree with this -- it's really kind of obvious: exercise is good for you.

      I used to get a lot of regular exercise, but too much work and my own business have changed that and I started experiencing problems when typing at the keyboard and using the mouse.

      My hunch was that over the years my wrists/hands/forearms had some of lost their strength, so I went to Walmart, got a couple of 10pounders and started using them for a few minutes each day.

      I had less to no pain almost immediately.

      As xtal said, don't type when it hurts. And don't forget to take breaks often!

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  30. Good posture helped me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My ex-boss (who had CTS surgery) noticed I was having serious pain one day and suggested I change my posture. This involved several things:

    1) Elevating my arms above my keyboard
    Having my arms below my keyboard resulted in my wrists resting on the desk or keyboard and puting more pressure on the tendan (sp?). This can simply be done by raising your chair or lowering your keyboard.

    2) Elevating my monitor above my keyboard. Having both the monitor and they keyboard on the same level resulted in my head being pointed down and my arms raised up. In general this is bad.

    3) Having my legs at a 90 degree angle. That is your chair should be at the correct height so that your legs come straight down at a 90 degree angle.

    4) Not slouching back. This is soooooo bad for your back. If you have a chair that allows you to lean back, make sure to stick it up right and in place. Slouching will result in lower back pain..

    In general sitting at a computer all day writing code is bad for your health. Poor circulation and repetitive motion is not good. Take some time to make sure your workstation is setup ergonomically and it will improve whatever work related pain is ailing you. In aidditon splits do help, at least they helped me. I have to say though, just setting my workstation up right did more help than any doctor or splint.

    1. Re:Good posture helped me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dont forget the ergo keyboard!

    2. Re:Good posture helped me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah my boss suggested that too, but I can't type on those things. :)

    3. Re:Good posture helped me. by angeles13 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Good posture is definately a way to help prevent problems in the wrists and hands. One way that I make sure that I sit correctly is corsets (yes -- I am serious, corsets). It is very difficult to slouch or scrunch up in a chair when one has bones (steel not whale) poking into one's waist and back. The laced up garments are perfect for working at the computer for eight or more hours.

      As for pains in the wrists, I don't know how many of the guys are going to do this, but I knit during my lunch hour. After being diagnoised with carpel tunnel in both wrists and serious ulnar nerve irritation in one - knitting and crochet have stopped the pain and have kept me from having to have surgery.

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  31. There is No Such Thing by ecolitalks · · Score: 1

    Just a pair of gloves that can fix all your problems? That is nonsense. Just think about basically, it just fix your wrest and make it the right position which also means that when you need bend it, you will need use more strength and in return, your muscle hurt more. It will only make thing worse not better. Just as the author said, he religiously wore the gloves. That how the gloves work! Religious is the important word here.

    1. Re:There is No Such Thing by japhmi · · Score: 1

      Except with CTS and other RSI injuries it's not the muscle that we're worried about, it's the tendons.

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  32. Watch out for medical advice... like THIS advice: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    Two things:

    1. Over in Ars Technica's forum someone named Figa made an excellent point:

    Ars Technica shouldn't be recommending medical devices to its readership, even if they're over-the-counter. I hate to think how many people will go out and buy the things instead of seeking medical advice, hoping that their pain will go away.

    My doctor warned me to avoid splints specifically because they can weaken your wrists, especially if they're worn 24-7 as the author recommends. Think about what happens to muscles when you wear a cast. They atrophy!

    There was a lot of lousy advice in the forum as well, which I can attest to firsthand...

    Figa (quoted above) then proceeded to explain why other people's advice was bad and then gave a 15 point treatment plan :)

    That said, if you're going to self-medicate with gadgetry, my vote would be to check out Kinesis's Contoured Keyboards

    The keys are arranged in lines in pits in the shell of the key board. Your fingers naturally droop into the pits and then move forward and backward (rarely to the sides) to depress the appropriate key.

    Claimed to make the activity of typing simulate CTS reducing exercises. I have a co-worker who has one and loves it.

  33. not my arms/wrist... by bonezed · · Score: 1
    no problems with the arms/wrists etc (unless i spend all day playing games). But my back (center left) is extremely painful, already spent large sums of money at the chiro...


    atm, a regualr massage is all that seems to help :(

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  34. hehe by Tuxinatorium · · Score: 1

    When I saw the topic I thought it might have something to do with a new type of S&M involving keyboards...

  35. My solution by Schemer · · Score: 5, Informative

    My solution to wrist pain has been to use a break reminder program like xwrits to remind me to take a 5 minute break for every hour of computer use. I would use those five minutes to get out of my chair and walk around for a while, so not only was I resting my hands, but my whole body as well.

    It's also a good idea to look out the window at something distant while taking your breaks, you can avoid eye strain by not focusing on something 18 inches from your head all the time.

    JWZ has some good advice about this stuff on his site which I found very useful.

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  36. IMAK vs. iMac by Daleks · · Score: 2

    Wait 'til Apple hears about this. Lawyers attack!

  37. Re:Watch out for medical advice... like THIS advic by dubbreak · · Score: 1

    wow impressive. from the site: -Select 24, 36, or 48 macros (56, 38, or 28 characters long, respectively)
    -Switch between QWERTY and Dvorak layouts on the fly!
    -The embedded keypad offers maximum productivity and comfort for 10-key users, especially using a foot switch.

    so can i use the footswitch to hide the pRon when the boss comes in? very nice indeed. I think i need a big foot keyboard so i can get some exercise for once.

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  38. There are real solutions by nonameisgood · · Score: 3, Informative

    At the risk of being too serious for this crowd - three things cause hand pain commonly (mis-)diagnosed as carpal tunnel 1) neck problems - very specific diagnosis, but think of it as a pinched nerve 2) shoulder problems - "thoracic outlet syndrome" now more often called "neurovascular compression syndrome" primarily due to holding arm up and/or out, as in mousing - specifically spasm of the subscapularis muscle - push your fingers up under your shoulder blade at your armpit - it will elicit the same pain 3) forearm muscle problems - primarily due to prolonged forearm twisting (screwdriving, etc.) and sometimes sports. These things seem to be carpal tunnel to diagnosticians (read most MD's). They need professional treatment and/or work position changes or they will get worse. If you have true carpal tunnel syndrome (CTS), the gloves in question will ease the pain at the expense of healing, since the typical nighttime hand pain in CTS is due to blood flow and the healing process. For CTS, weights or rubber bands used to strengthen the extensor muscles (back of the hands and arms) will fix many cases of true CTS. Don't let CTS go untreated as it can become permanent if it remains uncorrected. #1 priority in all cases should be workplace changes to prevent damage.

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  39. pain? by Spudnewt · · Score: 1

    are these gloves really necessary? I've been using computers for years, and it seems that only the first few times i used a keyboard excessively were the only times when my fingers hurt. (other than the times ive had my fingers stapled, slammed, etc)

    when it comes down to it all, i think proper typing 'stance' and posture are the key to painless keyboard use.

  40. Re:Watch out for medical advice... like THIS advic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i believe its pronounced pr0n

  41. Quotes from satisfied customers: by pctainto · · Score: 1

    "When I first learned, my boyfriend didn't show me the proper technique. I have sense developed CTS and now I can't satisfy my boyfriend near as well. Thanks to these gloves, I can go on for hours, without the slightest pain in my wrist. Both my boyfriend and I are happy now." -Colleen, Age 18

    Or, the geek...
    "I used to hide the bishop 2 or 3 times a day. I developed a bad case of CTS due to my strange posture, since I was trying to hide what I was doing under the keyboard. The gloves have worked wonders and I can now make the bald man puke more efficiently and with less pain. Thanks IMAK!"

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    1. Re:Quotes from satisfied customers: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhm, ok, that's just stupid.

  42. Don't cough up the cash by xygorn · · Score: 2, Informative

    For those of you too cheap to cough up the cash, an excellent weapon against RSI is simple exercises. Every five to ten minutes of typing, stretch your fingers as wide as you can for a couple seconds, then clench your fists as tight as you can for a couple seconds. Repeat a few times.

    This works best as a preventative measure, but also helps lessen the pain if you already have RSI problems

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    1. Re:Don't cough up the cash by slide-rule · · Score: 1

      In addition to the finger stretches (see parent), here's a nice wrist stretch: put your hands (palms) together in front of you, fingers pointed away and hands touching chest. Keeping your hands together and arms in the same general position, rotate them so the fingers point upward to the ceiling for a couple seconds, then rotate them so that the fingers point downward to the floor for a couple seconds. Repeat. (I could also recommend a number of wrist exercises we do in Aikido, but they're too tricky to explain in flat text.)

    2. Re:Don't cough up the cash by qengho · · Score: 2

      an excellent weapon against RSI is simple exercises

      More exercises, as well as good ergonomic info, can be found in this poster from TidBITS. I used to distribute copies to co-workers, back when I had a real job.

  43. I feel his pain - solved with MS Natural kybd by Call+Me+Black+Cloud · · Score: 3, Informative

    I was having problems with numbness and a little pain in one wrist. I switched to MS Natural Keyboard at home and work and I don't have the problem any longer. I think it's because the Natural keyboard keeps my wrists straight whereas before they would be canted to the left and right (using a "normal" keyboard").

    1. Re:I feel his pain - solved with MS Natural kybd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When will Linux make a keyboard? I'm looking for a replacement for my current one. Do you guys make mice, too?

    2. Re:I feel his pain - solved with MS Natural kybd by Call+Me+Black+Cloud · · Score: 2

      Silly troll, the brand of the keyboard is germane as not all "natural" keyboard are the same. Different angle, different slope. I was just reporting what worked for me.

      Now go post somewhere else. Here, let me give you a start:

      In Soviet Russia, keyboards make Linux!

    3. Re:I feel his pain - solved with MS Natural kybd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be the blue keyboard of death?

    4. Re:I feel his pain - solved with MS Natural kybd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess what I meant, indirectly, was that it'd be cool to have a Linux branded keyboard. I'm sure there are companies that will add pictures onto a generic keyboard, but can you get a Redhat or Debian keyboard? I personally think it'd be cool to have the FreeBSD daemon on my keyboard.

      Microsoft started out as software, and now they're making peripherals? I just thought it amusing if Linux were to do that also.

  44. When's the extreme coding comp? by Keylarn · · Score: 1

    With all the wrist braces and elbow braces that IMAK is selling, combined with the plethora of case mods available out there I have to wonder when is the first telecast of the Extreme Coding competitions going to be on TV? Will there be replays of the geeks who's hands sieze up? And most importantly will this make it easier for geeks to get chicks?

  45. The TIME.. by katalyst · · Score: 2

    Magazine featured a list of the almost available gadgets that will revolutionize the way we live. This article was featured in a late Nov issue. Of the featured gadgets, one was a projected keyboard. It consisted of this tiny projector/sensor which projects the image of a keyboard on a flat surface. As your finders touch the kyes(or rather the image of the keys), the sensor, by calculating the position of ure finger would know which key you are pressing. Now that's technology !! And no strain. These gloves look ergonamic all rite, but I would prefer this projected keyboard system.

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  46. I use something very similar to this. by AtariDatacenter · · Score: 3, Informative

    I got it from the doctor because of carpal tunnel like problems. (Insurance paid for a paid, even.) It has two velcro straps (which are tied to the glove kind of like shoelaces) which hold it on the arm. When I wear the glove, zero pain or problem whatsoever.

    If I wear the glove for a few months time, all my problems disappear. But they'll eventually come back if I stop wearing them. So, now adays, I wear it as a preventative measure, and it really works great.

    HINT: You might want to wash it on a regular basis, and you might want to have a backup pair for while it is being washed. Or two to switch between on a regular basis.

  47. It's not new by jsse · · Score: 1

    Doesn't it sound so familiar?

  48. not for 0.001% of the slashdot crowd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    very phallocentric of you. some of us would manage just fine... :-)

  49. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... AND A VISUAL EDITOR! by QuietRiot · · Score: 3, Informative
    Vi in Dvorak? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller. Bueller.

    How is it?

    Training tools for learing this fanciful new keyboard layout? Anyone? Anyone?

    Want to switch Ctrl and Caps Lock? Make your h's into m's or 6's into 9's? Be sure to check out jwz's XKeyCaps. You can rewire your primary input device to your heart's content. From the site...

    xkeycaps is a graphical front-end to xmodmap. It opens a window that looks like a keyboard; moving the mouse over a key shows what KeySyms and Modifier bits that key generates. Clicking on a key simulates KeyPress/KeyRelease events on the window of your choice. It is possible to change the KeySyms and Modifiers generated by a key through a mouse-based interface. This program can also write an input file for xmodmap to recreate your changes in future sessions.

    Nice home page Jamie. (BTW This is the guy behind everybody's favorite collection of screen hacks, XScreenSaver, the DNA Lounge and an explanation of cut and paste in X, among other things .)

  50. EAT MY FUCK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I HOPE YOU ALL FUCKING DIE

  51. Sllort's own review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    Before we truly begin, the truth needs to be revealed. I too suffer from horrible wrist pain due to repetitive stress injury, and therefore have been trying to find some way to relieve my brain of receiving constant pain signals from my wrists.

    Indeed, I have over the years tried many methods of alleviating my suffering: split-keyboards, one-handed keyboards, some early stress-relieving gloves, injected antihistamines, muscle relaxants as well as gel wrist-rests. Unfortunately, no method had managed to make me feel appreciably better until the joyous invention of the IMAK Smart Gloves. I had been following the Company's research with great ardour, hoping that I might one day find from them a product that would solve my problem. After traveling down to their San Diego office twice, I had finally managed to let me be an early tester.

    I have used the gloves for months, and the results are mixed: my left wrist's condition has degraded, and I now feel the sting of a thousand fireflies at all times. Surprisingly, my right hand doesn't hurt anymore. The doctors feel that I had some kind of pre-existing condition to my left wrist, and think that surgery might be required. They say the gloves have nothing to do with my newly tenfold grown pain. However, they are amazed at the recovery of my right wrist, and will suggest it to their further patients. They also say that I should wear the IMAK gloves on my left hand after surgery, if we go through it.

    I do not know wheter the gloves are good or bad, but I may say this: you ought to try them, they may very well forever silence your endolored wrists !
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  52. A zero-cost solution that works by r55man · · Score: 3, Informative

    I often type for over 12 hours a day--not 12 hour workdays, but 12 hours of actually banging at the keyboard. I used to get really bad cramps in my forearms and shoulders that would totally incapacitate me for a day or two at a time. Because I'm too poor to afford any high-tech gadgets (split keyboards and such), I had to come up with a cheap solution.

    What I did was to put a four books on the table and use one of those "natural" keyboards that have the keys at an angle. The four books are positioned in a way that the top two hang over the base of the keyboard, and nearly butt right up against the space bar. The books are angled so the base of my palms sits on the corners, and my wrists end up being perfectly level and aligned with my forearms. Also, the books are fairly thick, so my fingers kind of "hang down" onto the keys. These are large (long and wide) hardbacks, large enough so my elbows are also resting on them, and the net result is to take all of the strain off of my forearms and shoulders.

    Since my shoulders no longer have to do any work to hold my arms in place, and my forearms no longer have to do any work to maneuver my wrists, all of the pain has disappeared. I've done several consecutive 16-hour days of coding without feeling much of anything at all, and have never even felt close to the point where I'm too sore to type.

    I actually suspect that a lot of the so-called "RSI" is not so much due to repition as it is due to the stress of holding ones arms and wrists in a certain position for hours at a time. If you've ever tried to hold a couple of heavy books with your arms perfectly straight for any length of time you'll know that the pain eventually becomes fiery and unbearable, and is quite similar to the pain you feel after several days of coding. By simply supporting your forearms and wrists with something other than your muscles, you do away with all of the strain, and in my case this was all that was needed.

  53. *cough*advertisement*cough* by Derg · · Score: 1

    Nuff Said...

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  54. Some other thoughts by AutumnLeaf · · Score: 1

    The best thing I ever did was change my office at work to a "Standing Office." My desk height is 42 inches. I can stand and work, or sit in an elevated-chair and work. I find that I stand in the morning, and sit in the afternoon usually. I've also found that also sorts of back issues have greatly diminished because of this.

    As for the upper-extremity RSI problems, I found this book to be very educational (Check out the readers comments). The main message is: "It took many years for you to do this damage to your body - there are no overnight cures, and the problem is not the symptoms."

    The title of the book referenced by the link is: "It's not Carpal Tunnel Syndrome! RSI Theory & Therapy for Computer Professionals."

  55. Compounding the problem with other activities by lux55 · · Score: 1

    I wonder if these gloves would help my in playing guitar too. It says they're specifically made for keyboards, but going from one to the other throughout the day (I work at home, so I play guitar more often now), really strains my wrists fast. I'm careful about wrist positions on the keyboard and the guitar neck, but that doesn't help much. Neither does stretching and exercise.

    I'd be interested in something that was supportive in a range of activities (keyboarding, guitar, piano, jerking over pr0n -- I mean... ah shit ;)).

  56. dvorak with wine and ease of switching by Erpo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The problem comes into play when playing some games - most Quake derivatives (Half-Life, Medal of Honor: Allied Assault, etc.) use hard-coded Querty key layouts, so your keys revert back to Querty. Just something to keep in mind.

    This is why I switched to linux/wine for quake and quake derivatives (mostly Half-Life for me). Well, that and that I like to be able to individually tweak per-game opengl settings like FSAA in startup scripts. Anyway, keypresses in X are always translated before they get to the program, so I don't have to worry about using qwerty on my own machine.

    It's not all that hard to switch back and forth, but there's a huge amount of inconsistency in windows. Most 3D games come with their keybindings preset for the popular WADS layout (w for forward, a for strafe left, d for strafe right, s for back, e for use, r for reload, etc...). Nicer, more modern games like Hitman II (the demo at least) automatically set themselves for your keyboard layout. I was incredibly pleased when I installed the game, got ready to reconfigure the key bindings, entered the menu, and found that the game had replaced WADS with ,AEO automatically. Some games like Jedi Knight go the opposite route, and read QWERTY in the menu and during gameplay. Not as good, but at least I can press a key during configuration and have the same key perform that function during gameplay.

    Wine fixes all of those problems, but what I really appreciate is what it does for Half-Life. In windows 2000 with the keyboard mapping set for dvorak, Half-Life reads dvorak in the menus and qwerty during gameplay. ARG! That means than I have to configure the game by entering a qwerty layout using a dvorak keyboard, and then play as if my keyboard weren't remapped. I tried HL under wine, saw that games worked like they should, and never went back.

    ----------

    As for the parent post's question about how easy it is to switch, I didn't get really comfortable with dvorak until I had been using it for about two months. Now that I'm comfortable with it, I find that I type significantly faster than I did with qwerty; I'm probably about 10-20% faster, but I've never done a benchmark or anything (before or after). The most significant benefit, I think, is that I got to re-learn how to type and get rid of some bad habbits I could never shake. Before I switched, I would hit shift with the same hand I used to type the capital letter; now I hit shift with one hand and hit the letter key with the other.

    As for how hard it is to switch back and forth between qwerty and dvorak, I have some direct experience with that. I use dvorak on my home computer and on a friend's computer (he switched about the same time I did), but I'm forced to use qwerty on the computers at my college. I spend much more time typing at home than I do at school, so using qwerty is fairly awkward for the first few minutes. After that I probably type at about 80-90% the speed I did before (again, that's just a guess).

    1. Re:dvorak with wine and ease of switching by wompser · · Score: 2

      "The most significant benefit, I think, is that I got to re-learn how to type and get rid of some bad habbits I could never shake"

      but it is a shame it could not improve your spelling....

      :-)

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  57. I've got knee braces by Syncdata · · Score: 1

    I've had trouble with my knees since I came into my own, and honestly, compressing the joints via some foam rubber type vice does not help with anything. Short term? Perhaps (maybe). But longterm? Think about it. What good does further compressing joints being frequently used do? None at all.

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  58. The solution to CTS... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    STOP USING CHEAP-ASS KEYBOARDS!

    Go buy a real keyboard, with honest-to-god buckling-spring switches, and stop home-row touchtyping on $5 CompUSA keyboards. I personally guarantee a 200% improvement in keyboarding-related injuries after two months of this treatment.

    Also, stop being a pussy. Chinese children are mining coal, and you're cryin' because your wrist stings a little?

  59. advertisment by mojowantshappy · · Score: 1

    Well, this thing got the ultimate advertisement, a posting on slashdot. Hell, it looks good enough, I might give it a shot.

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  60. The cure for RSI by commodoresloat · · Score: 2

    Well, not really a cure, but this works for me pretty consistently. I do yoga, try to do it regularly, things are always better all over my body if I am doing it regularly. For keyboard/mouse pains a particular pose is the trick. You bend over from the waist. Like this. Now put your hands under your bare feet, with the toes at your wrists. Let your feet press your body weight into your carpal tunnel. You can pull up a bit, straightening your back like you're going to stand, creating more pressure massaging the carpal tunnel. Do this every day for a minute or so for best results. Another good one is to get on hands and knees, and instead of having your palms on the floor, bend your wrists so the back of your hands are on the floor. It's awkward but it's another good way to massage that part of your wrists and hands. It's a good counterpose for the pressure you put on that part of your body during keyboard work. And doing this regularly may be a pain, but I am sure it beats the shit out of wrist surgery.

    1. Re:The cure for RSI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This, of course, assumes that you can get your toes at your wrists in the first place. That's the trouble--you have to do yoga to be strong and flexible enough to do yoga. *sigh*
      -Rivaine

    2. Re:The cure for RSI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also do Yoga every morning. Although yoga is good for the body, its main purpose is to address the mind. Mindfulness is key. I had RSI, too. There is a 100% cure (it's not yoga, but yoga can be a part of this). The true cause of RSI is in the mind. Don't reject this idea until you have read the following:

      Follow this link for more information.

      Or this link to the Google cache if you can't view a Word document

      It changed my life and now I'm pain free doing everything I want to without restristions and without pain.

  61. Re:Watch out for medical advice... like THIS advic by stype · · Score: 2

    I'll put in a good word for kinesis too. I love mine and it made my wrists feel better (not perfect....typing is still bad for you, no matter how you do it). When I'm forced to use a flat keyboard, I feel it after even just a few minutes.

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  62. Post Office & Hardware Dvorak/custom keys by jago25_98 · · Score: 1

    1) I have a friend who works for a POSTAL SORTING OFFICE.

    I might consider buying him a pair for Chrismas but he doesn't touch type, more of a 2/3 finger affair. What's the likelyhood he'll never wear them?

    2) Dvorak: Could I just move the keys on an older keyboard and carry that around? I've found somewhere selling ps/2 keyboards for £1 anyway.
    If not, what about custom keys?

    -thanks

  63. On the topic of RSI... by stype · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Since this has just turned into an RSI discussion, I thought I'd add another overlooked point. In my own personal experience, I feel more pain from using a mouse than a flat keyboard. Resting your wrist on the mousepad with your hand bent up and forward, over the mouse, is very bad. I think its the act of having your wrist bent awkwardly while using your fingers that leads to RSI. Gel mouse and keyboard rests shouldn't be used *while* typing/using the mouse, only to rest when you *aren't* doing that. I switched to a trackball from a mouse and I always try to keep my wrist straight (not bent) when using it, and its made a big difference (in addition to my kinesis keyboard). Figure I'd mention this, as the mouse often gets overlooked.

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    1. Re:On the topic of RSI... by Brummund · · Score: 1

      Another point is to set the mouse acceleration speed and resolution to the max. I only use the thumb to move the mouse pointer from left to right side of the screen. People who use old mice with dirty balls should really consider buying an optical one, and adjust the speed of the mouse pointer. It worked for me.

    2. Re:On the topic of RSI... by MikeBabcock · · Score: 2

      I have an old cordless keyboard (airboard-styled) with a trackball and buttons built into the right and left front corners (respectively) of the keyboard. I can easily hold it on my lap and move my hands to the sides of the keyboard, holding it much like a Gameboy Advance (TM) without strain to operate the 'mouse'.

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  64. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... AND A VISUAL EDITOR! by MattRog · · Score: 1

    SSH-ing into my linux boxen provides no problems since it maps correctly.

    Go to google and type in 'Dvorak'. The first link is here:
    http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/

    There's a "Training" link which points to here:
    http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/training.htm l

    And then finally it points to a great training tool (I used it as well) here:
    http://www.karelia.com/abcd/abcd.html

    Was that so hard?

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  65. Second picture by itwerx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you look at the picture on the second page where he's sitting in front of his laptop you can see why he's got RSI!
    Guy obviously didn't read the little ergonomics flyer that comes with practically everything these days.

    1. Re:Second picture by Paul+Menage · · Score: 2, Interesting
      If you look at the picture on the second page where he's sitting in front of his laptop you can see why he's got RSI!

      Guy obviously didn't read the little ergonomics flyer that comes with practically everything these days.


      Absolutely - he needs to get a separate keyboard and a good keyboard/mouse tray. Bringing my hands down several inches so that my forearms were level was IMO probably the single biggest factor in getting rid of my tendonitis a year or so ago.
    2. Re:Second picture by StoneTable · · Score: 2, Informative

      That picture was taken solely for showing the glove in action. 80% of the time I use my laptop I have a seperate keyboard and mouse.

  66. did you know that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Before his arrest Mumia was a Philadelphia radio reporter, a member of the persecuted MOVE organization and President of the Philadelphia Association of Black Journalists. Very highly respected for his in-depth reporting and courageous honesty, he was well-known for exposing the police brutality of the notoriously racist Philadelphia Police Department. Because of that he was hated by thugs like Mayor Frank Rizzo (an ex-police chief) and the city's corrupt political establishment.

    In fact the entire, rotten, evil establishment in America hates Mumia -- because they hate the truth. The only things they love are money and power. The only law they respect is "the law of the jungle."

    The real criminals are managing their latest schemes of legal robbery and ecocide from their corporate boardrooms.

    The real criminals are executing their latest campaigns of mass-murder and torture from their offices in the Pentagon, the CIA, Congress, the State Department and the White House.

    The real criminals are strutting around in uniforms on America's streets and in America's prisons, beating people, raping people, torturing people and murdering people with impunity. Too many pigs and prison guards are nothing but gangsters, nothing but goons and hitmen. Pigs are merely the sadistic "muscle" of the United States Corporate Mafia Government.

    And too many people have been letting these uniformed criminals get away with it.

    But growing numbers of people in America are beginning to realize that we are living in a nation ruled by a truly evil, sick and predatory plutocracy. Growing numbers of decent people are beginning to recognize and value those courageous few who dare to devote their lives to speaking out against this evil system. But what happens if he or she is so rare and effective that large numbers of people really listen? That person's days are numbered. That is why Martin Luther King was murdered. That is why Malcolm X was murdered. And that is why Mumia Abu-Jamal is in prison awaiting legalized murder at the hands of the criminal authorities.

    They never had a case against him and they never will. The only thing the criminal authorities have is their guns -- pointed to our heads.

    "[Mumia's] 1982 trial was marked by repeated and flagrant examples of prosecutorial misconduct aimed at punishing him for his political views. A witness who had been coerced later recanted her testimony, and another whom the prosecution had refused to call came forward to tell his version, which pointed to another shooter. The medical examiner's report indicated that Mumia's gun could not have fired the bullet that killed the officer.

    "In addition to the coercion of witnesses, fabrication of a confession, suppression of evidence and other misconduct, Abu-Jamal faced judge Albert Sabo, a lifetime member of the Fraternal Order of Police. Sabo has sentenced 32 defendants to death, more than any other judge in the country. During the sentencing phase of the trial, Jamal's former membership in the Black Panther Party was introduced, an act that was blatantly unconstitutional." [1]

    As a teenager Mumia was a "minister of information" in the Black Panther Party, traveling around the country filing reports for the party's news journals. That automatically put him on the U.S. Corporate Mafia Government's hit list. For the kangaroo court trial in 1982 Mumia's lawyers obtained his FBI file through the Freedom of Information Act. It was a whopping 800 pages.

    Writes Mumia: "How many people can brag -- and I use that term with a little humor -- about having an FBI file from the time they were fourteen?"

    The file revealed two previous FBI attempts to frame him while he was a member of the Panthers: one for "murder" and the other for "robbery." But the criminal Philadelphia pigs finally succeeded where the FBI failed.

    During the kangaroo-court trial in 1982, stenographer Terri Maurer-Carter was present. In between proceedings she overheard Judge Sabo make a racial slur towards Mumia. When Carter tried to bring this racist insult to the attention of other judicial authorities she discovered that they were just as corrupt: she was dismissed from her job.

    During the miserable excuse for a trial, Mumia Abu-Jamal was even denied his constitutional right to the legal counsel of his choice. His court-appointed lawyer Anthony Jackson conspired with the district attorney's office to railroad Mumia to a conviction. This collusion has been documented in a recent legal brief. When Mumia tried to exercise his right to fire the crooked lawyer and legally represent himself, he was physically removed from his own trial.

    The predictable conclusion to these kangaroo-court proceedings was that racist Judge Sabo sentenced Mumia Abu-Jamal to death. Albert "Hangin' Judge" Sabo has sent more people to death row than any other judge in America.

    In August 1995 Mumia was granted a stay of execution because of new testimony from eyewitnesses that he was innocent. In 1996 there was a "post conviction relief act hearing" during which the courts nevertheless refused to accept the testimony of eyewitnesses William Singletary, Veronica Jones and Cynthia White. They all said that during the original trial they had been coerced by the Fraternal Order of Police to lie on the stand and finger Mumia for the cop's death, and they recanted that coerced testimony.

    In October 1998 the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ignored all the evidence and testimony and refused to grant Mumia a new trial. Pennsylvania Governor Thomas Ridge vowed to sign a new death warrant for Mumia's execution. Ridge is now the director of the new Federal police-state bureaucracy known as the "Office of Homeland Security". But there will never be any security for anybody in the United States as long as murdering hypocrites are ruling it.

    In December 2001 Judge William Yohn overturned the death-penalty sentence for Mumia Abu-Jamal, ruling that the original sentencing phase of the trial was unfair. The racist pigs are dismayed by this little bit of semi-justice of course, even though Judge Yohn let the crooked murder conviction stand. This means Mumia could spend the rest of his life in hellish prison for a crime he didn't commit, existing at the total mercy of violently racist guards. And there is always the possibility that he can be re-sentenced to death.

    The ruling by Judge Yohn is widely seen as a ploy by the ruling elites to neutralize the steadily growing worldwide support for Mumia. Perhaps the criminal authorities are hoping that Mumia's supporters will stop being enraged at the blatant injustice of framing and imprisoning a political dissident, as long as he isn't on Death Row anymore.

    That's not going to happen. It is the criminal rulers of the U.S. government who belong in prison. There will never be any justice in this country until the United States Corporate Mafia Government is totally overthrown by the American people -- and replaced with a democracy.

    In addition to his books, Mumia's writings have been published in The Nation and the Yale Law Review.

    See also:

    Who is Mumia Abu-Jamal?
    http://www.geocities.com/redencycloped ia/mumia.htm

    "The brutality of the Philadelphia police was so notorious that the U.S. Department of Justice later filed an unprecedented suit against the force. ...[there have been] massive police scandals in Philadelphia, where dozens of people were released from jail because they had been convicted on the basis of evidence fabricated by the police."

    "A worldwide movement has grown in the last few years demanding a new trial. 35,000 people marched on April 24, [2001], California longshoremen staged a work stoppage, students did walk-outs. Those questioning Mumia's conviction include the European Parliament, E.L. Doctorow, Toni Morrison, Jesse Jackson and Amnesty International."

    Note:
    [1] Helen Halyard, "The social context of a police frame-up: Why we defend Mumia Abu-Jamal", 17 May 1999, World Socialist Web Site [Back]

    From the International Action Center:

    December 9, 2001

    As Over 1,000 Turn Out in Philadelphia for Mumia Abu-Jamal:

    PHILADELPHIA COPS AMBUSH RALLY
    BEATING & PEPPER-SPRAYING MUMIA SUPPORTERS

    Ten Arrested; One Left Rally In An Ambulance

    The International Action Center (IAC) condemns in the strongest terms the Philadelphia police's unprovoked and brutal attack on today's thousand-plus march in support of death row political prisoner Mumia Abu-Jamal.

    According to one eyewitness account, on behalf of a right-wing heckler of the rally, bicycle cops towards the back of the march rode into the middle of the crowd, dismounted their bikes and, wielding guns and batons, started indiscriminately beating, pepper-spraying and arresting people. Guns were pointed at peoples' heads; others were thrown against cars.

    The crowd was marching from the corner of 13th and Locust, where 20 years ago Abu-Jamal was arrested for a crime, the shooting of police officer Daniel Faulkner, he says he did not commit. Today at that location protesters viewed the videotaped confession of Arnold Beverly, who has publicly admitted to killing Officer Faulkner for the mob.

    As police drew their billy clubs and guns, protesters surrounded the cops to try to protect those being arrested and/or attacked and chanted, "Let them go! Let them go!" and "Shame! Shame!" Police attacked some of these protesters.

    Several IAC members were among those attacked, with some being maced and others receiving several blows from police batons. Further eyewitness reports include a woman being dragged for at least a block, choking and with her skin exposed. One person was taken off in an ambulance. In one incident, an African American reporter photographing the events from on top a car was grabbed and pulled to the ground; the attack left a dent in the car.

    After the attacks, the march proceeded to the final indoor rally at Philadelphia's Ethical Society, where more spoke out in favor of Mumia's demand for his release based primarily on Beverly's confession. Protesters saw the attacks as further efforts on the part of the Philadelphia's Fraternal Order of Police to prevent the truth about Mumia's case from emerging. Those present also watched fresh video footage of the police attacks.

    Currently a number of protesters who traveled to Philadelphia are staying there to provide legal and political support to those who have been wrongly incarcerated.

    Call Philadelphia Mayor John Street at:
    215-686-3000
    or FAX him at 215-686-2170
    to express your anger at Saturday's attack of the peaceful Mumia rally by cops.

    You can also call Philadelphia Police Chief John Timoney at:
    215-686-3149 or 215-686-3388.

    For more reports go to www.iacenter.org

    Bibliography, Videos

    The Prison Industrial Complex:
    A video interview with Mumia Abu-Jamal on Death Row
    Interview by Monica Moorehead and Larry Holmes
    28 minutes, VHS, People's Video Network

    From Leftbooks.com:

    Censored journalist, political activist and death row inmate Mumia Abu-Jamal, framed for his ideas, speaks about the current political scene in the United States. In an excellent interview Mumia discusses prison labor in the United States, youth, elections, economics and the state of the world.

    See and hear the man called the Voice of the Voiceless in this uncensored interview.

    All Things Censored
    by Mumia Abu-Jamal
    Foreword by Alice Walker
    Edited by Noelle Hanrahan
    Seven Stories Press, 2000
    includes CD, 79 minutes

    From Leftbooks.com:

    All Things Censored is Mumia Abu-Jamal's major new release with more than 75 writings, many freshly composed by Mumia with the cartridge of a ball point pen -- in his death row cell.

    Abu-Jamal writes on a host of topics, including the ironies that abound within the U.S. prison system, the consequences of those ironies for us all, and his own case. Mumia's composure, humor, and connection to the living world around him represents an irrefutable victory over the "corrections" system that has for two decades sought to isolate and silence him.

    The accompanying CD (previously released by Alternative Tentacles Records as All Things Censored) Includes readings by Mumia and other luminaries, writers and activists, including Assata Shakur, Martin Sheen, Alice Walker, Cornel West, John Edgar Wideman, Howard Zinn and others.

    Live From Death Row
    by Mumia Abu-Jamal
    Avon Books (Paperback), 1996; ISBN 0-380-72766-8

    "They want me to die alone -- silently."

    -- Mumia Abu-Jamal

    From Leftbooks.com:

    Once a prominent radio reporter, Mumia Abu-Jamal is now in Pennsylvania prison awaiting his state-sanctioned execution.

    In 1982 he was convicted and sentenced to death for the murder of Philadelphia police officer Daniel Faulkner after a trial many have criticized as profoundly biased.

    LIVE FROM DEATH ROW is a collection of his prison writings -- an impassioned yet unflinching account of the brutalities and humiliations of prison life. It is also a scathing indictment of racism and political bias in the American judicial system that is certain to fuel the controversy surrounding the death penalty and freedom of speech.

    "His voice is vital and strong. The power of his voice is rooted in his defiance of those determined to silence him. Magically, Mumia's words are clarified, purified by the toxic strata of resistance through which they must penetrate to reach us. Like the blues. Like jazz."

    -- John Edgar Wideman

    "An important book [that] takes us into the bowels of hell. Abu-Jamal offers expert and well-reasoned commentary on the justice system. His writings are dangerous."

    -- Village Voice

    "A tough, true, timely book. You cannot read it and remain unmoved."

    -- E.L. Doctorow

    "A rare and courageous voice speaking from a place we fear to know: Mumia Abu-Jamal must be heard."

    -- Alice Walker

    Mumia:
    A Case For Reasonable Doubt?
    Mumia Abu-Jamal
    Produced and Directed by John Edginton
    Fox Lorber Windstar Co.
    Video, VHS 74 minutes

    From Leftbooks.com:

    Journalist, writer, death-row inmate and political prisoner -- from behind the walls, Mumia Abu-Jamal speaks for the first time in "Mumia: A case for reasonable doubt?"

    This excellent and professional video contains new footage not included in the original 1996 HBO special.

    Mumia was convicted and sentenced to death for the December 9, 1981 murder of a white Philadelphia police officer. Mumia's conviction has been protested by activists and celebrities because of irregularities in both the evidence and the conduct of his trial.

    This video is an excellent tool for understanding the case and can be used to organize activities anywhere.

    On A Move:
    The Story of Mumia Abu-Jamal
    by Terry Bisson
    http://www.mumiabook.com/

    "Covering Mumia's childhood in the North Philly projects, a turbulent youth in Oakland and New York, a promising career in radio journalism, and a fateful sidewalk altercation that changed everything, Bisson's colorful sketches tell the story of one of the stormiest periods in American history, and of a young rebel who came of age in its crucible."

    War At Home:
    Covert Action Against U.S. Activists and What We Can Do About It
    by Brian Glick
    published by South End Press

    This book provides a history of the FBI's infamous COINTELPRO operations which were used to murder, beat, intimidate, harass, confuse, fragment, destroy and silence political dissent by all leftist activists. These ILLEGAL FBI operations took place in the 1960s and '70s against any Black, Puerto Rican, Indian or White person/group courageous enough to oppose U.S. government-military evil doing. The FBI is inherently a White-racist organization, however, and COINTELPRO operations were generally more violent and ruthless against the Black Panthers and other Black or Indian activists than they were against people of other races.

    Today's FBI persists in the murder and intimidation of Americans of all races, of course, but not under the same codename of "COINTELPRO."

    War at Home also gives practical tips on how to deal with today's U.S. Corporate Mafia Government thugs. Basically the more unity and publicity the better. Like the criminal bullies they truly are, the FBI and the pigs hate and fear the public exposure of their crimes by a unified opposition. Their basic strategy is to divide and conquer.

    The book includes a checklist of essential precautions, information on your legal rights and defenses against the psychological warfare which the American Gestapo (FBI) uses to harass people who have moral consciences and political consciousness.

    More about War At Home

    The Beast Reawakens
    by Martin A. Lee

    See also the bibliography:
    Enslavement and Oppression of the African-American Peoples

    Related sites

    Justice for Mumia Abu-Jamal
    http://www.mumia2000.org/

    Up-to-date news on the struggle to free Mumia. Includes organizing tools, such as pdf flyers to download for distribution, and links to buttons, t-shirts, and books.

    Free Mumia Abu-Jamal Coalition, NYC
    http://www.freemumia.com

    "The Free Mumia Abu-Jamal Coalition, NYC is an independent, citywide coalition of many different organizations and individuals who are united to:

    stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal,
    work for a new trial for Mumia Abu-Jamal,
    additionally, many of us have become convinced that Mumia has been framed and is innocent, thus our name, the Free Mumia Abu-Jamal Coalition."

    INTERNATIONAL CONCERNED FAMILY & FRIENDS OF MUMIA ABU-JAMAL (ICFFMAJ)
    http://www.mumia.org/freedom.now/

    Site Contents include:
    Latest News; Legal Update; Mumia's Articles; News Archives; Legal Archives; Web Links; Downloads; Submit News; Activity Board

    International Action Center
    http://www.iacenter.org/

    Mumia Abu-Jamal On Death Row / Political Prisoners / Racism and Oppression
    http://www.iacenter.org/imumia.htm

    This page at the International Action Center has links to a great wealth of articles and the latest information about Mumia Abu-Jamal.

    FACT SHEET ON MUMIA ABU-JAMAL
    http://www.iacenter.org/majfact.htm

    Affidavits Released at 5/4/01 MUMIA Press Conference
    http://www.iacenter.org/maj_affidavits .htm

    The social context of a police frame-up:
    Why we defend Mumia Abu-Jamal
    The World Socialist Web Site
    http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/may1999/ma j-m17. shtml

    WSWS: News & Analysis: Mumia Abu-Jamal
    http://www.wsws.org/sections/category/n ews/na-jama l.shtml

    Who is Mumia Abu-Jamal?
    http://www.geocities.com/redencycloped ia/mumia.htm

    "The brutality of the Philadelphia police was so notorious that the U.S. Department of Justice later filed an unprecedented suit against the force. ...[there have been] massive police scandals in Philadelphia, where dozens of people were released from jail because they had been convicted on the basis of evidence fabricated by the police."

    "A worldwide movement has grown in the last few years demanding a new trial. 35,000 people marched on April 24, [2001], California longshoremen staged a work stoppage, students did walk-outs. Those questioning Mumia's conviction include the European Parliament, E.L. Doctorow, Toni Morrison, Jesse Jackson and Amnesty International."

    The Martin Luther King You Don't See On TV
    http://www.uvm.edu/~wmiller/faironmlk.htm

    "Beyond Vietnam"
    A speech by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., given at the Riverside Church, New York City, on April 4, 1967
    http://www.uvm.edu/~wmiller/mlkbeyondvietnam .htm

    The Martin Luther King, Jr. Papers Project
    http://www.stanford.edu/group/King/

    Who Killed Martin Luther King?
    http://www.douglasvalentine.com/articles.ht ml#king

    "On Dec. 8, a jury in Memphis, Tenn., deliberated for only three hours before deciding that the long-held official version of Martin Luther King Jr.'s assassination was wrong.

    "The jury's verdict implicated a retired Memphis businessman and government agencies in a conspiracy to kill the civil rights giant."

    Related pages

    Terrorism Begins at Home: Police Brutality in America

    America's Techno-Fascist Future

    U.S. Government Surveillance

    U.S. Government Domestic Oppression

    Police-State Brutality and the Battle of Seattle

    Taking Action Against American Terrorism

    Solutions: American Revolution 2 and a Humane Future of International Socialist Democracy

    Colonialism in Africa Today

    WSWS : News & Analysis : Africa http://www.wsws.org/sections/category/news/africa. shtml

    The World Socialist Web Site provides the latest major news from Africa with a Marxist analysis. Very eye-opening -- unlike anything you'll ever read in the corporate-controlled mass-media. Find out what the United States Corporate Mafia Government (and it's European partners in crime) are up to in Africa. Colonial exploitation isn't finished at all -- it just hides its fangs behind its IMF/World Bank mask.

    Full-coverage sections include:

    South Africa
    Zimbabwe
    Angola
    Mozambique
    Sierra Leone
    Liberia
    Cote d'Ivoire
    Ghana
    Guinea-Bissau
    Nigeria
    Congo (DRC)
    Rwanda
    Uganda
    Kenya
    Ethiopia and Eritrea
    Sudan
    Egypt
    Niger
    Libya
    Clinton's 1998 Tour of Africa
    HIV / AIDS Pandemic
    Colonialism in Africa

    Clinton "feels the pain" of Africa -- and prepares new imperialist crimes
    http://www.wsws.org/news/1998/mar1998/afr- m28.shtm l

    The significance of Leon Trotsky's thought for Africa today
    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/oct2000/t alb-o28 .shtml

    Join the Blue Ribbon Online Free Speech Campaign!

    "If you want free speech you can go down to a street corner and shout."
    -- Jim Olson
    owner of Humboldt Internet
    September 26, 2001

    On September 14, 2001, three days after the WTC attack, the owner of the humboldt1.com ISP summarily deleted the original American Terrorism website. When informed that he was suppressing online free speech, he offered the helpful advice above.

    http://www.humboldt1.com/~016910/Amerikan_Terror is m.html
    Launched: May, 2000 -- Torpedoed: September 14, 2001 R.I.P.

    To spare my vocal chords I offer these remaining mirror sites:

    http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterroris m/

    http://www.AmericanStateTerrorism.com/ (Germany)

    http://usterrorism.topcities.com/
    Toppled from Topcities.com: February 15, 2002

    http://www.angelfire.com/dc/americanterrorism/
    Axed by Angelfire.com: December 13, 2001

    http://americanterrorism.tripod.com/
    Torpedoed by Tripod.com: October 18, 2001

    "Lycos [Tripod and Angelfire]... reserves the right to terminate any user's access to the Lycos Network...for any reason or for no reason at all, in Lycos' sole discretion, without prior notice, or any notice." ...or without any discretion, or, after September 11, 2001, for a hypocrite, patriot-idiot, police-state censorship reason.

  67. Touch-typing by eGabriel · · Score: 1

    I think it is this asdf-jkl; business they teach in school that is responsible for much of this strain.

    I taught myself to type at a young age, and over time have achieved very good speed. I experience pain from time to time, but the best thing I have done for it is use a happy hacking keyboard and trackball; it brings the mousing device closer to my right hand.

    Using so-called ergonomic keyboards hurts my hands more, as do attempts to type in the traditional "home-row" manner. Typing in my usual free form way doesn't require my hands to be in any particular position and I think this is what keeps me from having worse problems than I do.

  68. Lucky me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll be thoroughly sick of the internet long before my wrists give out. Was having some trouble when I was employed as a writer a year or so back. After a few thousand pages of writing and rolling the scrollwheel a hundred or so miles, my hands would sometimes be weak enough that I'd drop my coffee cup.

    But now that I've been unemployed for awhile, and am getting sick of the internet, my wrists are fine. And the only pain I experience is of the mental variety when I realize just how unpleasant the internet has become. I'd liken it to adventuring in a large garbage can while feeling powerless.

    Anyway. Back to dial up in a week or so for me. I'd rather investigate the garbage can at a rate of 10 dollars a month versus 50.

  69. That can't really help... by soccerisgod · · Score: 1

    ..it doesn't prevent you from placing your hands on the kb in an all unnatural angle...

    The only solution is a good keyboard - like the Siemens KB PC-E (E as in ergonomic). It's a bit like the MS natural keyboard, only it's a) not from MS (which is a big plus) and b) it's more "configurable".. you can adjust it to your likings more. Looks a little strange, granted, but ever since I bought it, the pain in my hands is gone.

    Well I also had to buy a new mouse. I took this one that looks like a joystick. It makes me an object of pitty and laughter, but that's worth it. It's called an Anir Mouse and once you used it for a few months you can actually work as fast as before - without the pain!

    --
    If a train station is a place where a train stops, what's a workstation?
  70. Similar experience by leoboiko · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't lift weights, but I'm a martial artist. When you train with weapons (nunchaku, jo and sword in my case), your wrists need to get stronger. After some weeks of nunchaku training my wrist pain stopped.

    So, if you don't like to lift weights, try training some traditional martial arts.

    --
    Prescriptive grammar:linguistics :: alchemy:chemistry. Stop being a nazi and learn some science.
  71. mini RC cars! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this from the same company that sells the mini RC cars? Must be, since I heard about them "on" Slashdot and now I cannot keep these little unwanted fuckers out of my inbox.

    And /. was where I first heard about them. Gee, hmmm...

  72. The Sexy Losers strip came true... by Nameles · · Score: 2
  73. ...carpal tunnel syndrome aside by mihets · · Score: 1

    ..what kind of gear would one need to protect onself from so called Nintendo thumb? no thimbles, please...

  74. Kinesis keyboards by Walles · · Score: 2
    I am using one as well and can really recommend it.

    One word of warning: It took me something like a month before I was able to type on one of these keyboards as fast as I did on an ordinary one. So if you buy one of these, have patience.

    Now that I'm there however, there is no looking back. I can warmly recommend these keyboards.

    --
    Installed the Bubblemon yet?
  75. How's that pronounced? by AyeRoxor! · · Score: 1

    "the IMAK Smart Gloves."

    Please tell me that's pronounced "EE-mock," or anything other than "EYE-mack." I don't want to wear the entrails of a computer so 'cute' that my sister wanted one even though she doesn't know anything else about them. :-P

  76. Changing my mouse really helped by Bazzargh · · Score: 2

    I changed over to a microsoft optical trackball from a standard mouse; I now very rarely get the pains in my elbow, upper arm and shoulder that came from using a mouse.

    However, I now get my ass whipped in the office UT competitions :(

  77. Dvorak doesn't cut it by jmichaelg · · Score: 3, Informative
    I developed a burning pain in my wrists because I wasn't holding my wrists perfectly flat while I typed and I was typing quite a bit more than coding normally requires. I had heard Dvorak made a difference and the pain was a sufficient enough prod that I took the plunge and switched. Didn't help. At first it did, but that was because I was barely typing.

    Once my speed had picked up to the point where I could actually get something done, my old habit of letting my wrist bend came back to haunt me. If the gloves look nerdy, imagine a man with sharp pencils strapped to the top of his arms with velcro for an even nerdier image. The pencil points would poke me every time my wrists bent which would remind me to straighten my wrists. That was what this geek needed to get rid of the problem. I've since discarded the pencils and instead, stacked two keyboard wrist rests on top of each other so I don't have to think about wrist posture - it comes automatically. YMMV.

    For what it's worth, I never did regain my qwerty speed. I type at 70 wpm now but back in the days when cpu speed was measured in khz I'd hit bursts of 95 wpm. The other down side is it annoys the hell out of people I work with because nobody ever knows what the current state of the keyboard is until they start typing and discover they're typing gibberish.

  78. Dealing with Carpal Tunnel by IceFox · · Score: 2
    I do not think that you can ever help your hands by doing just one thing. A few weeks ago I sat down and wrote out a number of actions that all in conjunction create an enviorment that is much better for your wrist I believe. Check it out here and let me know what you think.

    -Benjamin Meyer

    --
    Do you changes clothes while making the "chee-chee-cha-cha-choh" transformation sound?
    1. Re:Dealing with Carpal Tunnel by IceFox · · Score: 2

      Hmmm, the url didn't come out.... http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/articles/wrists.p hp

      --
      Do you changes clothes while making the "chee-chee-cha-cha-choh" transformation sound?
  79. Dvorak layout by Luveno · · Score: 1

    I had a problem were my hands and lower wrists would get painful after typing a while. On the suggestion of a friend, I switched to the Dvorak keyboard layout. After two (difficult) months, I regained my old typing speed, and now I type faster than I ever did on a qwerty board. And my hands don't really bother me anymore. Any time I type qwerty now (which is real slow for me), it feels like my fingers are getting stretched or something.

    I like Dvorak. YMMV.

  80. changing your keyboard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Change your keyboard to one with less key-pressing tension.
    I own around 10 different keyboards and all are different; I dislike cherry ones, they have too long key-travelling space until the char is "activated" and their vertical layout also involves you to lift your fingers to much if you want to go from "g" to "t", for example.

    My favourite keyboard is an old 102keys from fujitsu (they do also make great new Win9x-ones) and I also lubed every single key with silicone-spray to lessen the strength of the keypress (CAUTION: Not every keyboard likes silicone; critical is that plastic-thingy between keys and contacts).
    Also critical is the amount of surface the top of the key is giving to your fingers - cherry ones (old Sun, too) tend to have less amount (and, as such, more space to the next key) than others so you have to aim better and your whole finger isn't lying relaxed on the key, so you are under constant tension.

    I also have one of those foamy things you find in computer packaging put unter my wrists, including forearm, wrapped into some skin-friendly cloth, so I don't have to bend them too much.

  81. Re:this might seem off-the-wall... MOD PARENT UP by Chalex · · Score: 1

    People in the US these days really are not educated about nutrition, or rather whatever they're taught is obliterated by the constant marketing blitz of the latest Doritos...

    One has to hope that Slashdot readers are more educated than the average Joe, and know that carbohydrates are bad for you. If you DIDN'T know that, please spend an hour (that's how long it took me) to read the link
    on the subject of insulin

    I found it to be a great summary of all the bits and pieces of wisdom that i've picked up from my nutrition-conscious friends and family.

  82. Another solution by Contrarygirl · · Score: 1

    for tendonitis that works well for me, besides splinting, physical therapy etc (which I've done), is using the mouse with my non-dominant hand. That and keeping my wrists level, not cocked up or down, has made all the difference in the world. I won't ever regain the strength I had (let it go too long, according to my physical therapist) but the pain is mostly gone.

  83. Kinesis keyboard by IronyChef · · Score: 1
    For a less exotic (and less expensive) solution, try a Kinesis keyboard.

    I had severe tendinitis for years, treated with wrist braces, ice, and ibuprofen, but then a couple years ago a friend encouraged me to get one of these keyboards. Problem solved -- brilliant.

    1. Re:Kinesis keyboard by rudedog · · Score: 2

      I would say that the kinesis is more exotic and more expensive. The brace is $20. A kinesis can run up to $400, depending on which model you want. The professional with foot pad is 375 or so. That being said, I definitely like my Kinesis.

    2. Re:Kinesis keyboard by IronyChef · · Score: 1

      I have the basic Kinesis, which cost only $100. (As I mentioned, braces didn't work for me.)

  84. Relearning by gidds · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The most significant benefit, I think, is that I got to re-learn how to type and get rid of some bad habits I could never shake.

    This is certainly a significant factor; maybe the significant factor in the increased comfort of Dvorak.

    I started learning Dvorak, and got quite far, but the number of QWERTY keyboards I found myself using made me rethink. But like you, when I tried Dvorak I also stepped back and thought about how I type, and was able to use all of that when I went back to QWERTY, so that my typing is much more comfortable than it was.

    For example, I'd toyed with touch-typing before, but at that point I learned it properly. I also looked at my hand positions; the touch-type positions I'd seen for the left hand felt quite unnatural, so I changed (using middle finger for RDX instead of EDC, for example), and like you ensured I used the right Shift key.

    Later on, I had a small right palm strain, and found myself looking again at how I used my hands. (Stop sniggering at the back!) I found that my left hand was pretty much stationary, but my right was forever leaping between alphabetical keys, cursor keys, numeric keypad and mouse. As a result, I learned to mouse left-handed (I said stop sniggering!), which gives a much better balance of hand use for me. (Actually, I found left-handed mousing very easy to learn.)

    The important thing is to think: look at what your hands are actually having to do, and think about how to improve things. This should help most folk who have problems, especially if you do it before they get too bad.

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  85. REnassance mouse. by Unknown+Poltroon · · Score: 2

    http://www.keyalt.com/pointdevices/renaissance.htm
    Get one of these, if you mouseing wrist bothers you. I havent had a single twinge since i started using it 2 years ago, and neither have my friends who started using it. I would never use a normal mouse again, if i could.

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  86. obKinesis by pez · · Score: 1

    Well, I can't let a /. post about input devices go by without talking about my beloved Kinesis keyboard. If you have heard about it and are on the fence about trying one out -- don't hesitate!

    From my journal:

    The Kinesis keyboard has done nothing less than save my career. While starting a company in 1995 the long work days took a toll on my hands. After seeing doctor after doctor and specialist after specialist the best advice they could offer was "type less." Thank you very much, but I had deadlines to meet.

    Everything changed when I splurged $300 for the Kinesis Contour keyboard. There are four major differences between this keyboard and the others out there, and together they make typing feel to me like I'm running down hill.

    1. Separated "key wells" (you have to see the picture to understand) which allow a much more natural hand position.

    2. Keys are lined up directly above each other (i.e. the T key is directly north of the G key, not up-to-the-left). This makes your fingers extend out and back, not out and back and side to side.

    3. The key wells are curved, which brings the keys on the upper and lower parts of the keybard closer to your fingertips. This is probably the single largest factor contributing to the "running down hill" feeling.

    4. Thumbs. Your thumbs are the two strongest digits on your hands. I don't know about you, but the way I used to type I would only use one of my thumbs, and only for one key (the space bar). My left thumb sat dormant. What a waste! Additionally, two of my most actively used fingers were my pinkeys due to the RET, Backspace and Control keys. Guess which fingers are your weakest? On the Kinesis, the thumbs get the most commonly used keys. I've got a couple of buttons re-mapped (due mostly to Emacs usage patterns) so the four major thumb buttons are Control, Alt, Return and Space. I couldn't live any other way.

    Give it a try. You won't regret it.

    Kinesis home page

    -Pez

  87. Kleenex and K-Y Jelly by sharkey · · Score: 2

    A keyboard lovers' best friends.

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  88. Not really. by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Switching to dvorak is an improvement over qwerty, but it's a very minor improvement compared to using correct typing posture. You'll get RSI typing in dvorak just the same as qwerty if you have your wrists bent while typing, though it might take longer. I type dvorak and have for a good four years, but I still see a pair of these gloves in my future.

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    1. Re:Not really. by golrien · · Score: 1

      It's been proved that in an average day, an average QWERTY typist's fingers move an average of around 20 miles. On an average Dvorak the same average typist's fingers would travel around 1 mile. Sounds to me like a great way to prevent RSI.

    2. Re:Not really. by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2

      Sure, but the point is that you should be able to have your fingers move 20 miles, if you have correct hand posture. With correct hand posture, the difference in movements between the keyboard layouts doesn't make as much difference in your RSI. It's lots of repetitive movements -while your tendons are scrapping across your bone- that is the big problem.

      But I didn't mean to imply that using Dvorak wasn't a good thing in and of itself. :)

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  89. Use 'em, love 'em, never type without 'em by Del+Vach · · Score: 3, Informative

    At my previous job, my (right) mousing arm was in a very bad position for mousing, and I started getting a significant amount of pain in my wrist. (Would have been less than $100 for a proper mouse tray so I can use a computer for the remainder of my life, cheap bastards)

    When I switched jobs, I started using the Imak SmartGlove and my wrist DOES NOT HURT AT ALL ANYMORE. If I type/mouse without one for a few hours, I feel the pain coming back.

    The only drawback is wear. If this thing in on my wrist basically all day, it gets dirty. After a few weeks or months (depending on your particular body chemistry), it will start to get a bit rank, and will need to be washed. Just take out the support and throw it in with the laundry.

    But drying can shrink them, and the support does weaken over time (although I must say, in the last two years they've made a few design improvements that have worked towards fixing this). So every few months when it's getting worn out, I get a new one at Staples for $15 (large tends to sell out first), and I use the 'old' one at home.

    My 2 cents: If you have experienced wrist pain, or want to avoid it, invest in at least one of these. They're well-constructed, a great value, and much less expensive and painful than carpel tunnel surgery.

    Buying a few SmartGloves a year? About $30-60. Not having burning wrist pain and weak hands? PRICELESS.

  90. Chord-lite by dbm1175 · · Score: 1

    It really seems that the standard keyboard is an antiquated input device. Hopefully it will be replaced in the near future. Along those lines, there was a thread here on Slashdot a few months ago about the chordlite one-handed keyboard. Has anyone tried to build one of these? Are there any other 'fit to your hand' type of keyboards out there? I'd love to build and try one... But Radio Shack scares me.

  91. Brace gives better results than a glove. by darkxman · · Score: 1

    I tried one of those types of gloves before but I found they just didn't protect enough of my wrist or give me enough support. I switched to this brace and felt a whole lot better. Plus I sorta look like Batman now. Bonus!! http://www.carpalproducts.com/3ringtext.htm

  92. Re:Watch out for medical advice... like THIS advic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Using a Kinesis Contour AND switching to Dvorak cured my ills. Best keyboard ever - and it outputs dvorak so your games all work the same :)

  93. Re:Watch out for medical advice... like THIS advic by figa · · Score: 1
    Here's a summary of my crits on the Ars forum:

    1. Ars should have put a medical warning up front. They give all sorts of disclaimers when they discuss overclocking and hardware modifications. Splinting is a physical modification and should be taken as seriously.

    2. The review treated the splints like a new MS mouse, video card, or other general use computing accessory, which they are not. The reviewer didn't offer much context for his medical condition, and his method of testing them (12 hours+ for over 3 weeks?) could be damaging. They're medical devices and don't need burn-in.

    3. Their treatment/resource section at the end was heavily biased toward surgery. There was very little on the proper techniques to prevent RSI. Ars has done incredibly detailed and informative reviews of new technology (OSX, CPUs) and this was really weak, given the serious nature of the topic.

    4. They lump hand conditions together as "Carpal Tunnel", which is outdated and misleading. There are a number of hand injuries that can be caused by overcomputing. Carpal Tunnel Syndrome is only one of them.

    5. The Ars forum has a couple bad suggestions, which could cause additional damage to an injured person. Ars should have consulted a medical expert to dispel some myths up front.

    To clarify, my 15 point "treatment plan" isn't really treatment, and I hope nobody takes it as medical advice. I'm not a doctor, and the points I listed are preventative measures that I've informally discovered through my own research and discussion with my doctor.

    Check out the Ars forum and give them the hits they deserve for at least addressing the subject. I'd like to see them do a an in-depth follow-up with their usual thoroughness.

  94. This Dvorak claim is real by tamills · · Score: 1
    I don't think slowing down is the healing process. I had great pain in my palms, hand-heel, wrists, and forearms after working as a data-entry clerk in college in 1986. I lived with it till 1993 (often in tremendous pain). Then I switched to Dvorak. The pain went away. Period. I switched over a period of two weeks and I did it by typing _more_ not less. I typed the alphabet on Dvorak _literally_ hundreds of times till I could touch-type.

    Nine years, constant keyboarding, and still no pain. I go through coding binges and still have no pain.

    I highly recommend trying Dvorak. BTW, I am bi-keyboardal. I can still type QWERTY.

    Regarding speed. Yes my fingers really can move faster. Not my brain, but my fingers. I suspect it's the brain that is the limiting factor. I keep having to stop.... and think. If I know exactly what I'm going to type, BRRRRRRRPPP, it's done.

    But forget the speed. It's worth switching just to be rid of the pain.

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  95. Kinesis contoured keyboard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...saved my programming career. I had tried the MS natural keyboard, it made the problem worse. I saw on Slashdot in an RSI thread one day several people had recommended the Kinesis keyboard, and I was desperate, so I tried it (starting about 8 months ago). The positive effects didn't happen overnight, and it was difficult to get used to at first, but I can say that if I hadn't stuck with it, I'd be on a different career path by now.
    http://kinesis-ergo.com/contoured.htm

  96. Re:Couple this with Dvorak... AND A VISUAL EDITOR! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All those links, and no +1 ?

  97. split split keyboard by Flamesplash · · Score: 2

    I think it depends on the split keyboard. I currently have a MS ergo keyboard, which is split but not adjustable. I type above the keyboard so my wrists don't have to bend up, but if you were typing at a bad level I could see how you would have to bend them.

    I currently have on order a split keyboard that allows you to adjust the angle of split as well as the y tilt. Something else I like about it is that it doesn't have a number pad and integrates the insert/home/... and arrows keys into the main key section so the width profile isn't much more than the main section. This is nice for me because most keyboard trays aren't made so that the main key section is centered in front of the user, it's off to the left.

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  98. S, M, L, XL keyboards please. by giaguara · · Score: 1

    We don't have everybody the same sized hands.

    I have tried the "ergonomic" keybarods and those were a pain for me (20+ y, and rheumatic tendence, if it changes anything). the keys are too far for me.

    On the other hand, my bf can hardly manage to type on my laptops. the keys are too close to each other for him.

    i am 16 - 20 hours a day at my computer, and have no pain. or, no pain since i use just the ibook keyboard. but i know that for many people it's not probably so comfortable; if you have big hands or fat fingers, you may want a bit bigger keyboard.

    i saw a month ago a really small keyboard, and was thikning that it would do for me.

    but where are the different sized keyboards? s, m and l.

    if you move your fingers and hands how they move naturally, thus have a right sized keyboard, that'd resolve something.

  99. Re:Watch out for medical advice... like THIS advic by Ian+Bicking · · Score: 2
    Ditto on the Kinesis keyboard -- I have one that has helped me tremendously. After using the Kinesis for a few years I no longer feel pain from flat keyboards (like I did before I used it), but I can still feel the difference after long periods. And after the short learning period, my typing accuracy improved considerably using the Kinesis without any loss of speed. I recently started using a trackball, which also seems to help -- especially with my thumb doing the clicking (which it can do forever without tiring, unlike my fingers), while at the same time I've set up my environment so that I use the mouse less anyway (using , a very neat window manager).

    I also made the choice not to treat myself in many other ways. I occassionally take ibuprophen before I go to sleep, which reduces swelling and I believe that helps me heal. I never take it during the day, or ice, or use any other sort of physical intervention. I have feared that will just address my symptoms, while the underlying problem becomes even greater since I no longer get the painful feedback... when it finally catches up with me it might be worse than ever. My difficulties were only uncomfort and a limiting of my time on the computer -- I know other people have had much more serious conditions, and whatever happens I never want to get there.

  100. AW Dammit! I should have adv. for MY Company! by Havokmon · · Score: 2
    Here's a whole selection of supports

    Personally, I use the Heavy-Duty Single Wrap (WHD-1) when I sleep, and nothing during the day.

    I don't type constantly, so the Dr. says after 15 years, I only have mild carpel tunnel, and I should just keep my wrists from bending when I sleep. Apparently, it's common for people to sleep curled up, and if you are starting with carpel tunnel, that just damages your wrists more.

    Besides, who the hell is "IMAK"? You buy Valeo, you can say "Hey, Mr. Olympia wears this stuff." (Check out any Muscle and Fitness mag)

    This ends my advertisement. :P

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  101. Wrist support?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After looking at the pictures of the gloves, I see a great similarity between these and 'Bowling' wrist supports. Mine usually cost between $8.95 and $15.95 (I'm cheap). Not only that, but I get out once in a while for some physical activity !! Sometimes that can do more than any prophylactic device (Get yer mind outta the gutter!) can ever do.

  102. My experience, my solutions by ringrose · · Score: 1

    Caveat: I am not a doctor.

    I have RSI. As a graduate student working on my Master's thesis, the pain was so bad I would go home after typing half a day. I was scared and a little depressed. Many of my friends at MIT had similar problems.

    What I found is that there is no generic solution which works for everyone. I have a collection of things people have found useful.

    0. Listen to your hands. When it hurts, stop. I made a habit of paying attention to feelings from my hands, and there's a funny feeling I get right before they start hurting. If you've got RSI, you have probably trained yourself to ignore this warning.

    1. Keyboards. I use a dathand and love it. It is expensive, but almost immediately I could type all day. Other people I know prefer Kinesis (I still don't understand where they put their thumbs while typing...) or the Microsoft Natural, both of which are substantially lower cost.

    2. Gently stretch your hands and wrists before typing. You're about to use them for hours; if it were for a sport you would stretch first.

    3. HandEze gloves are very much like the ones described in this article, without the padding. They don't seem like they should work, but they helped me a lot. I used them for months until I no longer needed them. They're really cheap, it is worth the money to see if they help. If the seams bother you, turn them inside out, and if you don't like the color you can always dump them into some dye.

    4. Posture. Occasionally I have a relapse. Most of the time I realize that it's because I've stopped sitting correctly.

    5. Exercise. Occasionally I spend a weekend running around in the woods with a bunch of friends, and I noticed that every time my hands stopped hurting. Now I bicycle to work when the weather permits. Bicycling and going to the gym do not work as well for me as running around in the woods, so there is something else there - I'll be examining another poster's comment about insulin, which I had not heard before.

    6. Ibuprofin. When my hands hurt at night (hasn't happened for a long time now) I take Ibuprofin before going to bed to reduce swelling and let the tendons heal. Don't do this when you're going to actually use your hands, it masks the warning signals that you are doing something bad.

    7. Tension. Because I'd been through so much pain at keyboards, when I sat down in front of a keyboard my hands immediately tensed up in anticipation of pain. This did not help. For me, the Datahand was a different enough keyboard to break that cycle.

    8. Arm rests. I took the arm rests off my chair. They were compressing my ulnar nerve (outside of the elbow) and causing numbness and pain in my pinky fingers.

    9. Breaks. Every half hour, take a five-minute break. One of the reasons I listen to CDs in the office (on headphones) is that when a CD ends it forms a good pausing point at which you can ask "did I take breaks during the last hour?".

    RSI takes years to develop. It is taking even more years to go away. But, for me, it is going away.

    My opinion on wrist splints: use them at night if you wake up with hand/arm discomfort. Do not use them during the day, because they can let your muscles atrophy.

    I have no relation to any of the companies which make the products I mention here, except as a user.

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  103. Another cure... by curunir · · Score: 3, Informative

    Rock Climbing (indoor or outdoor).

    I used to have a mild case of CTS. I could only go about an hour before typing would become too painful. My wrist position while typing is pretty much as bad as could possibly be imagined, so that probably had something to do with it.

    Then I started climbing. Climbing builds insane amounts of finger and wrist strength. I can now support my entire body weight (which has decreased by 30 lbs too!) hanging from any one of my fingers.

    And my CTS is gone. Entirely. I routinely go 8-10 hours of continual typing (yes, I am a programmer) without any pain whatsoever. And my wrist position is as bad as ever.

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    1. Re:Another cure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, more proof that RSI is caused by the mind.

      Sorry I am posting about this link so much in this thread, but it needs to be heard. I don't mean to say that you're wrong about building finger/wrist/arm strength, that is a very good approach to RSI. It is good to see that streneous excercise got you past your RSI. Many RSI sufferers (I was one) are afraid that using their hands/arms at all will make the problem worse. A lot of information out there tells them that they should quit all activities and wait for it to heal. This is of course wrong and starts a cycle which eventually conditions you to think that using your hands causes pain. There's a whole lot more to this, check out the link, it changed my life entirely (I'm also 100% better).

      Anyways, rock on man. er no pun intended.

  104. RE: Curing CTS or other wrist problems by tilleyrw · · Score: 0

    Anyone suffering from CTS or wrist problems in general should look into Bikram yoga. Not only will you improve your specific conditions of the wrist but you will improve your overall health as well.

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  105. Mousing? by freeride · · Score: 0

    Anyone have any experience with the glove helping with mousing as well? The article focuses on keyboard use, but many RSI injuries are mouse-specific, usually because the mouse is out to the side of the keyboard and the user has to keep one arm extended at a weird angle to reach it. Wondering if the pellets help/interfere.

  106. Re:Watch out for medical advice... like THIS advic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  107. Re:I got pain right here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Man, that chick was hot, dude. Seriously. I'm not gay or nothing.

  108. Personal experiences of RSI by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 1
    I had RSI two years ago. I'm right-handed, and the problems started with the occasional ache in my upper right arm (the best description of this is "like toothache" - the pain comes from right inside the bone structure where the nerves run). Later I got pins and needles in some of the fingers and thumb of that hand, and the pain started to become distracting; enough to make me wince.

    I'd heard about RSI, so I muddled along using my left hand for the mouse instead. Over the course of a fortnight the pain went away. Then, a week before I was due to go on holiday, I did an hour or so of image editing and used my right hand again (because it's more accurate). A few days later the pain was excruciating - the only time it went away was if I was lying down on my back or holding my arm above my head. The strange posture this forced me into then gave me pulled muscles in my back and shoulder, which meant I was in more or less constant pain for the whole of my annual holiday.

    This was July; it took until September for the symptoms to subside, and I had to re-learn how to use a mouse *properly* with my left hand (I believe Guy Steele once called this this "ambimoustrous"). My doctor couldn't offer anything except a cortisone injection if the pain got too bad - one morning it almost made me throw up!

    The situation now is that I mouse with my left hand nearly all the time, but I can manage an hour of Quake with the right one without much problem. However, after the hour is up there is some tingling and an unusual warm sensation in my arm, which leads me to think the damage is permanent, and I'm only 33! If the left hand looks like going the same way I'll switch straight to a tracker ball, a graphics tablet or something - my employers were quite supportive and do take RSI cases seriously.

    Humans weren't designed to use mice or keyboards. I can see BIG problems in a decade's time, maybe an explosion in disability claims among office workers. You have been warned - don't ignore the warning signs.

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  109. Keybaord angle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If these are supposed to help your wrists, why the heck does the lady in the picture have her keyboard tipped all the way up? That just makes your wrist bent even more. Your arm, hand and wrist should be as straight as possible - just like your piano teacher alwasy told you. That's also why some of the really expensive ergonomic keyboards are flat, with actual typing/key areas being concave.

    -Dan.

  110. speeling and grammer by Erpo · · Score: 2

    but it is a shame it could not improve your spelling....

    Actually, my spelling is usually fairly good. The problem is that learning dvorak just made it easier to stay up until 2am writing posts on slashdot while reading about the latest LoTR movie (you know, the one with hobbits in it? ;) ).

    That said, good for you. Slashdot and the internet in general are absolutely polluted with posters who don't understand basic English grammar such as the difference between there, their and they're. I'm not talking about those for whom English is a second language -- they're pretty easy to pick out, and the fact that they're making an effort (most of them do) is a positive thing. I'm talking about people who fell asleep in their ninth grade English class -- every day -- and now spend their time chatting on AOL using "u" instead of "you" and ignoring the difference between your and you're.

  111. Kinesis isn't radical enough by bandy · · Score: 1
    When my hands blew out, I was told by management that I had one shot at buying a keyboard to help me out ....

    I ended up buying a DataHand keyboard...er...key-thing. Minimal movement of all of my fingers in all directions, I didn't have to learn much of the new layout as it's 85% QWERTY and I can definitely type faster and more accurately than before. I was a very good touch-typist before everything went cattywampus, probably due to the very attractive typing teacher I had to look at when I learned.

    I ended up liking the one I had at work so much, I bought another for use at home. Flat keyboards are a pain.

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  112. Not in my experience. by Inoshiro · · Score: 2

    I'm a Dvorak guy. I tend to remember "modes" for how I'm typing (such as, I always try and type "slashdot.org" in qwerty mode, because all my Dvorak machines have bookmarks for it).

    But that didn't affect the layout I used for games. What did affect the layout I used for games was that UT wouldn't accept ' , . as keys. Quake handled this fine by always not caring about the raw input, but no UT-based engine I have found yet has support for non-letter keys as input keys. Very frustrating.

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  113. A suggestion for Ars Technica's next review by Ross+Finlayson · · Score: 1

    Which is easier on the eyes: White text on a black background, or black text on a white background? :-)

  114. Re:moderators by Ninjacam · · Score: 1

    There are many people who can moderate the posts. If you read the faq, you will see how many possibilities there are as to who moderates what posts.

    The faq is located at http://slashdot.org/faq/ in case you need the link.

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  115. Obligatory SL reference by Skiboo · · Score: 2
  116. Re:This worked for me, and I am everyone. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    I would say that 99% of the cases are psychosomatic. What a coincidence, the same as the percentage of statistics that are made up. You may imagine things, but that doesn't mean that other people don't experience them for real.

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  117. Re:This worked for me, and I am everyone. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not imagined (that's not what psychosomatic means, when you used that word yourself I thought you knew what it meant). That shows that you didn't even bother to read the article. Read the article and then "The Mindbody Prescription" by Dr. Sarno and then try to argue. I'm willing to bet you will have a change of opinion if you actually sat down and read the book instead of immediately attacking an idea which is difficult to comprehend.

    It's not imagined and it's very real. The mind causes blood flow to decrease to an area causing waste particle buildup and sometimes muscle spasm. It can be very painful, but ultimately harmless.

    I admit, I rejected the idea at first. It was presented to me by many people. But it was never properly explained in the way that Dr. Sarno explains TMS. My point is not that this will work for everyone. Obviously if you don't accept it, it won't work for you.

  118. Re:This worked for me, and I am everyone. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You weren't the one who replied earlier and used the word psychosomatic, sorry.

    But anyways, you can ignore the statistics I gave you as I admit they don't mean much. I should restate it: 0% of pain syndromes are caused by repetitive strain or typing too much or lack of ergonomics, etc.

    I think everyone is subject to this. Our minds and our bodies all work the same. Some people are more prone to this. It's no surprise that a particular "personality type" has been identified for RSI. We ALL repress emotions. I think many of us have had pain in the site of a past injury well after it has completely healed. Many of us have back pain. We've been conditioned to think that lifting improperly can seriously injure our backs and that structural anomalies like herniated discs can cause pain. There are many people with structural anomalies but who are completely pain free. There are people who are having surgery with no results for these kinds of things. There are people who are spending thousands of dollars in medical expenses and those who can't work. There are people who are in terrible physical and emotional pain because of these syndromes. But there's hope for all these people.

    Anyways, thanks for the criticism. I'll present this idea in a form more tangible to Slashdot readers next time.

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