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Auburn University First To Offer Wireless Degree

EyesWideOpen writes "Auburn University in Alabama will become the first school in the country to offer a four-year bachelor's degree in the study of wireless technology this fall. Since its inception three months ago an estimated 30 to 50 students have signed up for Auburn's wireless engineering program. 'All engineering students are expected to complete liberal arts and general engineering classes the first two years of school. They then can focus on wireless during their last two years of study by taking courses such as Wireless Design Lab, RF Devices and Circuits, and 3G and 4G Wireless.'"

195 comments

  1. Wardriving Degree? by Komrade+S. · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can't wait to get my Wardriving degree, with a chalk marking hieroglyphics major. Let's not even get into the possibilities of fly-by wireless haxoring exams. Ooo, watch out for that tree little Jimmy!

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    1. Re:Wardriving Degree? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      predictable. In fact, would not a wireless curriculum
      include some coverage of security topics, and an
      investigation of warchalking, etc.? /. is full of tired little class clown posts like
      this, and carping like my post. *Sigh*

    2. Re:Wardriving Degree? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hardy fucking har. Asswipe.

    3. Re:Wardriving Degree? by zoid.com · · Score: 1

      Weagle weagle war damn eagle kick'em in the butt big blue!

    4. Re:Wardriving Degree? by shaldannon · · Score: 1

      So what's our chance against USC tomorrow? :)

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  2. Evolution by clones · · Score: 2, Funny

    By the time you graduate 3g will be deployed.

    1. Re:Evolution by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 2
      By the time you graduate 3g will be deployed.

      Wanna bet? ;-)

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  3. Electrical Engineering by miratim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wouldn't this kids be better off with a degree in EE, concentrating in wireless? That's like getting a degree in web services instead of Computer Science.

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    1. Re:Electrical Engineering by Chundra · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well it's like a degree in EE but with no strings attached. *cough*

    2. Re:Electrical Engineering by miratim · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      That's pretty good, especially since you apparently don't use periods.

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    3. Re:Electrical Engineering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And English should start with a capital 'E'. And you shouldn't start sentences with 'And'. Oh wait, that's me.

    4. Re:Electrical Engineering by hendridm · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's like EE for Dummies, just like MIS is for those who can't make it through CS?

    5. Re:Electrical Engineering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I uses all them punktwuasion thangs

      Iz gots a fowrth grad edumakason hoss

  4. Great by Zanek · · Score: 0

    I think its great that some college finally offered this degree so that people can get a jump start on promising areas like this.

    Waiting until people start graduate school is such a waste generally

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    1. Re:Great by N3WBI3 · · Score: 1
      Thats what you elective courses are for. I think I took 6 electives (I took mine all over the place so I could eventually teach) but you could easily take 6 elective in areas that would be wireless (computer encryption/rf circuits, ...).

      A good Enginnering program will have sub-programs, which are a listed set of classes to take if you want to go into a given area. A crap program will almost always have 20 different 'joint majors' between two departments becuase it lies kind of between them. (note not all schools that have them are crap so dont get you underware in a bind yelling at me).

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  5. Ph.D by Bakobull · · Score: 1

    With all the standards out there (11a, b, g, etc) they are going to need more than a BS, they're going to need a Ph.D.

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    1. Re:Ph.D by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm imagining a person who spends 8+ years of their life in college to get a Ph.D. in Wireless and wondering whether I should laugh or cry.

    2. Re:Ph.D by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My understanding of Wireless Technology is that a BS is sufficient, in fact ideal

    3. Re:Ph.D by tetro · · Score: 1

      I think an EE or CE degree would be sufficient. Focusing on signals processing itself and such might be sufficient. There's too many standards to cover, so I guess a foundation might be nicer.

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  6. just a marketing stunt? by jukal · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... or you really are stuck in the stone age, atleast here in Finland you have been able to study the subject in deep detail for years. Now, seriously, is this news there in US? This is not a flamebait, I am truly interested in this.

    1. Re:just a marketing stunt? by kemster · · Score: 1
      ... or you really are stuck in the stone age, atleast here in Finland you have been able to study the subject in deep detail for years. Now, seriously, is this news there in US? This is not a flamebait, I am truly interested in this.

      I think you're a little confused. There's a difference between studying a subject and receiving a degree in that subject. Most universities offer a wide variety of subjects to study, but a relatively limited number of majors. To major in something generally requires around a dozen subjects in the area (plus or minus a few), with some sort of structured curriculum, maybe a thesis, etc. There have certainly been classes on wireless technology for quite some time, but to have a wireless major is quite different. As many have pointed out, it seems akin to getting a degree in Web Development, and so is likely more of a PR bit than anything. A degree in Electrical Engineering with a concentration in wireless technologies seems like a lot better option.. Just my 2 cents.

    2. Re:just a marketing stunt? by i7dude · · Score: 1

      erm...more like people have been able to study this anyplace that offers a solid EE degree program. its not like its a brand new communication paradigm. my vote is that its just a marketing stunt.

      dude.

    3. Re:just a marketing stunt? by mirio · · Score: 1

      No, you have been able to study this for quite some time. To the best of my knowledge, when I graduated from university my institution offered at least 6 classes (two years of study) on Wireless engineering.

      The change here is that you can actually make it your major (i.e. primary) area of study (I'm not sure if you have this concept in Finland).

    4. Re:just a marketing stunt? by glam0006 · · Score: 0

      Well, since North America has yet to deploy decent wireless technology, this *is* news. Unfortunately, people are fairly stupid here -- the Europeans/Japanese won the wireless contest about 10 years ago. =(

    5. Re:just a marketing stunt? by jukal · · Score: 2
      > I think you're a little confused

      I don't think I am. If you could understand finnish, you could read this and a number of others, the naming of the degree might be different, but what you study is exactly same. Once more, to me - it is astonishing, if a wireless degree is news in US.

    6. Re:just a marketing stunt? by El+Neepo · · Score: 1

      Well the real reason they're offering is because Samuel Ginn gave 25 million to Engineering College if they did two things.

      1) Rename it to be the "Samuel Ginn College of Engineering" which everything officially now says.

      2) Offer a Wireless Engineering degree.

      I'm a Junior taking good old fashioned Computer Science at AU. I do think people are probably better off just taking EE and then concentrating on wireless. I'm sure there have been EEs studying wireless for years, just not an official degree for it.

    7. Re:just a marketing stunt? by N3WBI3 · · Score: 1

      Yes but to get your EE you have knoced down about 8 of your dozen areas, including (IMHO) the most difficult Electro-Magnetics.

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    8. Re:just a marketing stunt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, maybe I'm just confused. But it would seem that EM theory would be VERY important towards getting a wireless degree. At least, I remember covering antennas and this kind of stuff in my undergrad electromgnetics course. I would sure hope that they'd still be taking this class if getting a so called "Wireless" degree.

    9. Re:just a marketing stunt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do understand Finnish.... That is what happens when you cross the white line on the last lap of a race... AND YOU ARE SO SMART MR. "I don't think" You are right sir, you don't think.

    10. Re:just a marketing stunt? by N3WBI3 · · Score: 1
      Thats exactly my point. There is no reason to make it its own degree because you take almost everything you need to do it as *REQUIRED* ee courses (including EM). Therfore if you have a really good EE program getting so solid in wireless you can go anywhere would be a matter of 3 electives/ 4 tops.

      Sorry if I was not clear

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    11. Re:just a marketing stunt? by kemster · · Score: 1
      I don't think I am. If you could understand finnish, you could read this [cs.tut.fi] and a number of others, the naming of the degree might be different, but what you study is exactly same. Once more, to me - it is astonishing, if a wireless degree is news in US.

      Again, as others have pointed out, it's been possible for quite some time to study EE with a concentration in wireless technologies, which is virtually the same thing. So if you did EE with a focus on wireless then "what you study is exactly the same" and "the naming of the degree might be different." Comprende? It is only news because traditionally majors are predominantly limited to more classical areas of study.. Literature, Mathematics, Mechanical Engineering, Chemistry, Philosophy, Art, etc.

    12. Re:just a marketing stunt? by gambit3 · · Score: 2

      Nope you're right... we ARE that far behind in the wireless world. That's why this is such a huge first step.
      Of course, in Suomi you've had this for a while cuz you've had Nokia Oyj leading the way.

      Overe here in the States, standards are pretty much fragmented, and progress is coming in baby steps.

    13. Re:just a marketing stunt? by jukal · · Score: 2
      >. And what was the first thing Torvalds did? Move to the USA, where he knew he could get the job done better.

      <place tongue in cheek>

      There's an interview with Linus in Linux gazette issue 32, 1998 which you can use as a shocker, be warned, you might realize that your understanding of USA might be just a result of long-lasting brainwash ;))

      "I agree that Finland is a lot more "neutral" in many ways, and that had its advantages in Linux development" ........ "Moving to the US has meant a lot better weather " ....... "The idiocy of the US cryptography export rules were a problem even before I moved here" ....... " I don't think anybody really dislikes Finland, while a lot of people are nervous about or even actively dislike the US. So in some sense that could have been a downside, but I felt that most people trusted me more as a person than as a Finn, so I didn't feel it to be a major issue. "

      To be honest, I would not consider even the weather part as a plus ;))

    14. Re:just a marketing stunt? by jukal · · Score: 2
      > AND YOU ARE SO SMART MR

      Yes, very close, now, when you next time punch in the A, you might try moving your little finger just a little bit left and you might actually be able to turn Caps Lock off.

    15. Re:just a marketing stunt? by afidel · · Score: 2

      This is news because it is a special degree designed towards wireless rather than an EE degree with a concentration in wireless design. Besides it looks like more of a systems aproach than an EE aproach.

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    16. Re:just a marketing stunt? by jukal · · Score: 2
      >Again, as others have pointed out, it's been possible for quite some time to study EE with a
      > concentration in wireless technologies, which is virtually the same thing

      Ok, point understood, finally :)

    17. Re:just a marketing stunt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is just the equivalent of a MIS in the EE dept.
      Sort of an "EE lite" degree.


      God bless America!

    18. Re:just a marketing stunt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My opinion is, marketing. My reason is, my brother's been in something like this for a year.

      http://www.mum.edu/wireless/

      this link is to the graduate version of the program that he's in... his program doesn't have it's own web page at moment.

    19. Re:just a marketing stunt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Saab came out of Finland, and it fucking rules. (Yes, I know it's a Swedish company. But my car is Made In Suomi.)

    20. Re:just a marketing stunt? by csirac · · Score: 1
      I'm studying Micro-Electronic-Engineering here at Griffith, Brisbane, Australia.

      This all sounds much like the degree I'm doing, where after two years of a common program you can spend the remaining two years on either "computer systems" or "communications".

      http://www.gu.edu.au/ua/aa/pccat/program/1149_01.h tm

      (go to "program stucture" down the bottom)

      At least here, 3G etc. is treated like any other standard in communications; we're taught all the fundamental theory, as well as practical applications and important working examples, so that we can pick up anything else fairly easy if we have to, such as CDMA, GSM, bluetooth, 802.x, etc.

      BTW I had a lecturer who was the guy who did the speech compression for GSM mobile phones ;)

      - Paul

  7. Great :-) by xintegerx · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now, juniors and seniors can bring Cell Phones to class and the professors don't have a say.

    "Tomorrow" ON SLASHDOT:

    "Due to increasing interest, Auburn University will launch a first-in-the-country program next fall for a B.S. degree in

    NOISE POLLUTION MANAGEMENT"

    :/

    ~Int

  8. Egad by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    3G and 4G Wireless

    Oh, well, that's good. We all know that "3G" and "4G" are such important, well defined engineering terms.

    Coming soon to the CS department "Software engineering principles of version 2 and version 3 software.

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    1. Re:Egad by mph · · Score: 1
      Coming soon to the CS department "Software engineering principles of version 2 and version 3 software.
      Oh, that's easy. Version 2 will be bigger and slower than version 1, and version 3 will be bigger and slower than version 2.
    2. Re:Egad by WEFUNK · · Score: 2
      Coming soon to the CS department "Software engineering principles of version 2 and version 3 software.
      Oh, that's easy. Version 2 will be bigger and slower than version 1, and version 3 will be bigger and slower than version 2.

      ...and don't forget, if they're proprietary products, Version 2 will be more expensive than Version 1, and Version 3 will be even more expensive and no longer compatible with version 1.
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    3. Re:Egad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, they are very important, well defined terms. Something that is actually compareable would be along the terms of "Coming soon to the CS department "Java 2 and Java 3 programming."

    4. Re:Egad by plcurechax · · Score: 1

      We all know that "3G" and "4G" are such important, well defined engineering terms.


      3G is shorthand for "3rd Generation Partnership Project (3GPP)"

    5. Re:Egad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear clueless moderators,
      That, was supposed to be funny!

  9. Why is this a separate degree? by LaserBeams · · Score: 4, Interesting

    First of all, it shouldn't take four years to learn most of how any kind of networking works. On the computer/electronics side, both are basically the same, it's the transmission that's different.

    Now, why not combine wireless with wired networking as a major, and then get more people into that? While wireless is all "hip" and whatnot, you can't do everything wirelessly. Transmitting through thick rock and transmitting top secret data for example. However, if you're knowledgeable with both wired and wireless networks, you are of use to almost any company, even small ones who wouldn't otherwise be able to afford separate "in-house" and wireless network engineers.

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    1. Re:Why is this a separate degree? by kemster · · Score: 5, Funny
      First of all, it shouldn't take four years to learn most of how any kind of networking works.

      Maybe you missed the fact that the students are at Auburn University...

    2. Re:Why is this a separate degree? by gambit3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      First of all, it shouldn't take four years to learn most of how any kind of networking works.

      Yes, it does. And even more. I've worked for a telecom equipment maker for three years now, and the depth of this stuff can be mind numbing. It's a commonly uttered truism here that you need to be working for at least 1 1/2 years to be able to actually say you KNOW what you're doing, and it's not until you've been working with the same thing for around 5 years that you can be considered an expert. And that's living and breathing this stuff day in and day out, without English, arts, and all those other classes getting in your way.

      While wireless is all "hip" and whatnot, you can't do everything wirelessly. Transmitting through thick rock and transmitting top secret data for example.

      People shouldn't get into this because it's "hip". They should choose it for the same reason they choose ANY major: they should have a reasonable expectation that this is a line of work that they'll enjoy.

      And we're not trying to do EVERYthing wirelessly. Just communicating.

      However, if you're knowledgeable with both wired and wireless networks, you are of use to almost any company...

      Heck, I could've been a janitor, and those are of use to any company. But again, that's not the point. People should major in this because it's something they think they'll enjoy doing.

    3. Re:Why is this a separate degree? by Bishop · · Score: 2

      a commonly uttered truism here that you need to be working for at least 1 1/2 years to be able to actually say you KNOW what you're doing

      So you are saying it is easy stuff then? I did a full 2 years at a manufactureing plant. When I left the only thing I really knew was my narrow field of functional test enginerring. Sure I knew of the other types of tests and the process of making a computer. But I would never say I KNEW what I was doing.

      Like the rest of my dept I was just faking it and hopeing no one would really notice. :-)

    4. Re:Why is this a separate degree? by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 2

      They did say it included RF classes. RF hardware design can be interesting, in the Chinese sense of the word. Modeling fading and multipath over real terrain is something else you can't pick up in a day.

      Then you have all the issues of a high-noise environment. Phil Karn, for example, had to invent some algorithms to let TCP/IP run decently in a world where packet loss could happen without congestion. It's an interesting question -- do you hope the noise that obliterated your packet is temporary, or do you risk wasting bandwidth on futile retries? If you retry, how do you get good performance for both the congestion case and the corrupted-packet case?

      May not be a separate discipline worthy of its own degree, but there's more than one course worth of material to learn.

    5. Re:Why is this a separate degree? by gambit3 · · Score: 2

      Hmm.. make sure you post what it was you manufactured next time. ;)

      No, what I was saying was that you could confidently say that you were able to do the job yourself, which often entailed going in the middle of the night to work at a customer's site.

      It was common to work as sort of an "understudy" for about a year and a half, and that's what I meant.

    6. Re:Why is this a separate degree? by My+Third+Account · · Score: 1

      First of all, it shouldn't take four years to learn most of how any kind of networking works.

      It should if you want to start designing anything.

      First you need a few semesters of math to understand E&M physics, then after physics you can learn about antennae, etc.

      Again you build on a few semesters of math to learn the basics of signal processing, then DSP.

      Again with some math you can begin to learn probability and random processes.

      Then with signal processing and random processes you can finally learn how radio really works from a signals perspective. You can also now learn how to design digital communication systems that work under noisy conditions.

      It takes a lot of classes.

    7. Re:Why is this a separate degree? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Now, why not combine wireless with wired networking as a major, and then get more people into that?


      Being a network admin and using a network is much different from being an Engineer and designing one.
    8. Re:Why is this a separate degree? by yomegaman · · Score: 0

      Yeah, the "wireless technology" lab will be fully equipped with a crystal AM radio kit for each student!

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    9. Re:Why is this a separate degree? by shaldannon · · Score: 1

      Just out of curiosity...where does your college rank on the scale comparative to Auburn? (the whole glass houses and stones thing)

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    10. Re:Why is this a separate degree? by kemster · · Score: 1

      i had the good fortune of attending a school in cambridge.. although i'm originally from the south so i'm very familiar with the academics of auburn university.

      a joke i've heard many times back home about auburn: What's the admissions test at auburn university like? Admissions official asks the prospective student to hold out his hand, palm down. The student does so, then the admissions official holds his two hands out in the same manner. He holds them on either side of the student's hand, then moves his hands around very quickly. First to one side, then the other, back again and again. After a few seconds of shuffling his hands around the student's, he asks, "Now which one is yours?"

  10. Wireless? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh, great. That ranks up there with a degree in Communications.

  11. Good Intro class by bdigit · · Score: 2, Funny

    A good intro class would be "Build your own wireless network card" Professor: "Ok all the course materials will be available online which you can access using the campus' wireless gateway." Student: "But how Can i get to them if I dont have a wireless network card?" Professor: ::evil grin::

    1. Re:Good Intro class by Student_Tech · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that buying one would be considered cheating....

  12. Go me, I'm enrolled. by Streyeder · · Score: 1

    I'll let you know how well it goes in a few years. Woohoo...!....

  13. Microsoft uses GPL, sells GPL, has gcc on ftp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, you heard me. SFU version 3, for $99 (isn't that what Redhat's going for these days?), includes a range of the GNU toolset, including gcc and g77. The source code is freely downloadable from the link below: Follow this link

  14. Pontless... by N3WBI3 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I hate 'special degrees' Wireless shoudl be a specialization in either Computers or Electrical or both. Im sorry wireless fall totally under EM theory, Computer Algorithms, and Electronics. There is nothing in it that an EE major (or Computer Engineering) would not/could not be exposed to in the course of their required courses + their elevtives. Its a gimik to increase admissions, no more no less.

    just like the $EthnicGroup Studies majors. They should be specializations in either history or political science. What were beginning to do is produce college graduated who are way too over specialized. I know of EE's who think they dont need E-Mag because they are going to do VLSI.

    Sorry for the rant its just my 2 cents.

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    1. Re:Pontless... by i7dude · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "I know of EE's who think they dont need E-Mag because they are going to do VLSI."

      this is off topic, but what you said is so true...when i was getting my EE undergrad degree, the technology that we were using was so coarse that secondary EM and micorwave effects were neglegible. then i graduated and was thrown right into the wonderful world of sum-micron design at Ghz speeds...guess what, now EM and microwave theory is very relevant...most students would understand this if they were exposed to the technology that industry uses, rather than lagging behind and having to catch up on 5 years of innovation after graduating.

      specializing in a "wireless" degree is useless...if i was hiring...give me somebody with a strong background in EE and Physics over these cupcakes anyday.

      dude.

    2. Re:Pontless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd need a whole extra year to take all the electives you'd need.

    3. Re:Pontless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most university require you to take qute a few electives, they are part of a normal education..

    4. Re:Pontless... by Drakonian · · Score: 1

      I agree to a certain extent, but is that beginniners course on EM going to be at all relevant 5 years later when you graduate? The fundamentals, yes, but nothing you'd truly use in your job. In my opinion, school can't really teach you anything you need for a job, OTHER than how to learn.

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    5. Re:Pontless... by N3WBI3 · · Score: 1
      Usually EM is taken late in an education (at least a 300 level class). To pass it youre going to need strong calc, and physics.

      As for will it be relevant, emag has not changed a great deal in the past 50 years. A strong understanding of the basics (now 'basic' emag is very complex) should be enough..

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  15. Long live Telsa! by BLAG-blast · · Score: 1
    A wireless degree would cover Telsa, right?

    He was the first to demostrate trasmitting information via wireless, right?

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    1. Re:Long live Telsa! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tesla

    2. Re:Long live Telsa! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps, but Marconi plays the Mamba (listen to the radio...) etc.

    3. Re:Long live Telsa! by ch-chuck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No - TeSLa patented a device to transmit ENERGY - he wanted to light light bulbs w/o wires using coupled resonant RF tank coils (Take that, Edison!). Marconi was the 1st to make and install useful wireless telegraphs and built a big business, altho he infringed on Tesla's patent in doing so. The patent office didn't catch the prior art and it was overturned by the Supreme court in the 1940's.

      SEE the actual Tesla patent here and note that it says ENERGY, not INFORMATION.

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    4. Re:Long live Telsa! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      No - TeSLa patented a device to transmit ENERGY - he wanted to light light bulbs w/o wires using coupled resonant RF tank coils (Take that, Edison!). Marconi was the 1st to make and install useful wireless telegraphs and built a big business, altho he infringed on Tesla's patent in doing so. The patent office didn't catch the prior art and it was overturned by the Supreme court in the 1940's.

      (score:-2, just plain wrong.)

  16. Might as well get degree in Communications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is yet another worthless degree like underwater basket weaving, or MCSE.

  17. obAuburn Joke by dwm · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Of course, research into "wireless technology" at Auburn mostly involves development of a cattle fence that doesn't use barbed wire...

    1. Re:obAuburn Joke by PMCausey · · Score: 1

      Some needed clarification - Auburn is a land-grant school, this means that it started as an agricultural school.

      (As opposed to my alma mater, The University of Alabama, which is a cultural school)

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    2. Re:obAuburn Joke by Honig+the+Apothecary · · Score: 1
      As opposed to my alma mater, The University of Alabama, which is a cultural school.


      That remains to be seen. :-) If cultural is a box of Tide and roll of Charmin, or perhaps lots of crimson and white plaid, then you might be correct.

      Sorry sorry. Glad to see someone who has spend at least some time in the state of Alabama have the common sense to puruse /.

      War Eagle,
      Honig

      (Yes I know all the terms "common sense" and "/." should not be used together.. :-) )
    3. Re:obAuburn Joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, how is the will-work-for-food business nowadays anyway?

    4. Re:obAuburn Joke by autiger · · Score: 1

      Wow! A bama grad that can use a computer? I'm impressed. War Damn Eagle!!!! - j AU '92

  18. Still waiting... by Chemical+Serenity · · Score: 1

    I'm still waiting for the REALLY cool stuff, 100% full online non-classroomed university.

    Yes, I'm aware of U. of Phoenix, but the courses they offer are pretty minimal, and definately don't seem like they're going to get you much of a job anywhere (except perhaps the MBA).

    Why can't a good university (Dalhousie? UBC? UCLA-Berkeley?) put out a fully virtualized, 100% online computer science degree? You'd think with the computing luminaries these universities churn out there'd be enough brainpower to overcome whatever technical problems are left to tackle. All the elements are there... streaming video for lectures, standards to deliver homework assignments... what else is needed but professors willing to get with the program, and administration willing to shell out a few bucks with the possibility of getting back much, much more?

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    1. Re:Still waiting... by tetro · · Score: 1

      because people would cheat.

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    2. Re:Still waiting... by JOKane · · Score: 1

      Actually, you can earn a (non-thesis) master's degree in CS at UIUC (which is rated as one of the top 5-6 CS schools in the country) without ever setting foot on campus.

      http://www.cs.uiuc.edu/education/i2cs/index.html

    3. Re:Still waiting... by Chemical+Serenity · · Score: 1

      Hmmm... this implies that you've already completed a graduate program at some 'in person' university already.

      It's getting closer though, maybe the goal of getting an accredited full undergrad->grad->doctorate program in CS isn't that far off after all.

      I thought we were all spoda be in paperless classrooms and everything by now, anyways. And driving levitating bubble cars that got 700 miles to the gallon of seawater... ;)

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    4. Re:Still waiting... by Chemical+Serenity · · Score: 1

      People cheat on in-person work anyways. Online would just make it (slightly) easier.

      I'd be okay with requiring tests and so forth be done under in-person supervision, so long as the in-person testing was done locally. I think they do that for grade 12 distance education anyways and it seems to work fine.

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  19. First wireless degree? Not... by dillon_rinker · · Score: 3, Funny

    So, what, there's never been a degree in radio engineering before?

    I'd go into the huge theory/practice techschool/university debate, but I've finally realized something:

    The truly curious and intelligent will get the theory no matter what, because they want to know and find out. The dull masses will not get the theory even when it's taught to them for four years straight. They're probably better served by a practical course of study (with lots of flashing lights).

    1. Re:First wireless degree? Not... by N3WBI3 · · Score: 1

      Thats a great point and should be moded up. This would be a great assioated degree, or tecnical 2 year degree but it is not a borad enough field for its own BS..

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    2. Re:First wireless degree? Not... by SN74S181 · · Score: 1

      The sad truth of the matter is, there is a serious deficiency in good RF design engineers. It just isn't being taught well. It's much more complicated than cookie-cutter digital design work.

  20. They've beta tested this program... by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2

    I got to attend a preview of one of the classes. I was asked to leave over a debate about whether or not two cans held together with a shoestring is a wireless technology. Despite the dictionary's support of my view, it is not classically considered a wireless technology.

    1. Re:They've beta tested this program... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, such a bright student your are. I can't imagine why you were kicked out for spreading your intellectual wisdom with the rest of the audience. Maybe because THERE'S A FUCKEN STRING YOU IDIOT!

    2. Re:They've beta tested this program... by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2

      a.) There's a (literal) difference between a wire and a string.

      b.) My post was a joke. I figured most Slashdotters would find it funny considering that people love using literalism as a starting place for a heated debate.

      c.) Grow up.

  21. Who would want such as specialised degree? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would anyone want such as specialised degree? I am studying the most general course I can in computing - a BSc in Computer Science at Merton College, Oxford.

  22. gimic degrees dont impress employers by peter303 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd hire a plain vanilla degree with good grades and from a competative university any day. In three years the current fads will have changed and only the basics will matter.

    1. Re:gimic degrees dont impress employers by BxT · · Score: 1

      Yes, but it's hard to consider wireless as a fad, I'm sure we'll be doing it in some form in 50 years. Sure, the tech will change but it has for EE's and others (last time I checked they weren't teaching punch cards anymore).

      -BxT

    2. Re:gimic degrees dont impress employers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank goodness that your spelling of "competative" proves you'll never be in such a position to hire people.

  23. Can I have a degree in GigE? by gelfling · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why is this a distince degree? It would seem to be self limiting, yes?

    "I'm sorry but the job opening is for advanced networking design, I'm afraid that only wireless won't cut it"

  24. And this is news... Why? by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 3, Informative

    This isn't a first, in any way whatsoever.

    Many universities have EE programs that require a concentration. What's a common concentration in such programs? You guessed it, wireless. Even Cornell, which admittedly is not a "strong" school in wireless despite a top-notch EE program since the main physical-layer wireless guy was hired away by Illinois, has a pretty good wireless concentration. (Due to the fact that most of the domain of "wireless" can be covered quite well by the DSP, Information Theory, and the radar people in Space & Plasma Physics, all of which are fields where Cornell is top-notch) All in all, you'll get a much broader exposure to signal theory and RF in general than you would in a "Wireless" degree.

    Whatever this program is, I'm sure it pales in comparison to the EE programs at Georgia Tech and the University of Illinios (They have two of the top wireless programs in the country - It's all under the EE umbrella.) I believe GaTech has an antenna testing range and numerous other facilities that rival that of most corporations in the field.

    If you want to do wireless, go to Georgia Tech or the University of Illinios. I hear Ohio State is pretty good too, as are UCSD and probably Caltech. If you want to go to a wannabe program that won't get you a broad exposure that'll leave you with backup if wireless dries up, go to Auburn.

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  25. Specialized degrees and market forces by Infonaut · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Universities operate in a marketplace. They recognize that students are free to choose from any number of competitors. So they attempt, however slowly and clumsily, to offer degrees that fit the needs and in some cases the demands, of students.

    I'm not a real proponent of specialized degrees, but the world is becoming a very specialized place. I'd also argue it's also getting tougher and tougher to make a living as a generalist, whether coming from a technical or liberal arts background.

    Maybe we ought to take notice of why Auburn offered this degree, and the forces behind it, instead of just running up the, "Back in my day, we all got EE degrees and boy were we thankful!" flag.

    Just my two cents. Feel free to tell me why I'm wrong. After all, I was an International Relations major, so what the fsck do I know about technical degrees?

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    1. Re:Specialized degrees and market forces by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Auburn offers this degree because an alumnus (Samuel Ginn) gave them $25,000,000 with the condition that they offer the degree.

      Everyone calling this a fad degree reminds me of reading how the first universities to offer computing degrees were laughed at and everyone said computers should just be a specialized math degree.

  26. Sounds too much like IBM's Robocode by DeadBugs · · Score: 2

    The Task is to implement a program that acts as a player in a multi-player robot game. Contributed programs will play against each other in a tournament.

    Sounds a lot like IBM's Robocode for teaching Java.

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  27. Sigh by Coffee+Warlord · · Score: 1


    I've said it before, I'll say it again. You don't go to college to learn about computers. Designers/Artists, maybe. Technical stuff (programming especially), no. You learn it by deciding you want to do something, and doing it. You make mistakes, you learn what you did wrong, you fix it, you learn. This is a process that simply does not happen in college classes, thanks to a whole multitude of reasons/distractions that anyone who has been in college knows. Not to mention the fact that the technology will be dated before the graduates can attempt to apply said instruction.

    I honestly hope this doesn't catch on, else in about 10 years we're going to be flooded with a whole new generation of people with degrees and zero practical knowledge, taking jobs from people who actually know what they are doing, yet have no degree. Joy.

    1. Re:Sigh by mind21_98 · · Score: 2

      The reality is a college degree is practically a necessity. You'd have a very difficult time getting a job with no real work experience unless you did go to college. In college you also work at internships which gains job experience. :)

    2. Re:Sigh by Coffee+Warlord · · Score: 1


      True, (although I did beat the system and get a job with no degree, but anyway), but that doesn't mean I can't bitch about the people coming out of college with no real knowledge of what they are doing. Especially on /. :)

  28. Alabamer by LordNimon · · Score: 5, Funny
    "It's really neat that you can communicate just through the air," Trueblood said in an interview over his cell phone. "Without wires you aren't limited to one specific area. Wherever I go, people can call me. There are a lot of advantages to that."

    With such insightful commentary from Auburn's engineering students, it's no wonder that Alabama is such a hotbed of intellectualism.

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    1. Re:Alabamer by alanwj · · Score: 1
      With such insightful commentary from Auburn's engineering students, it's no wonder that Alabama is such a hotbed of intellectualism.
      Exactly which intellectual hotbed do you live in?

      Auburn University's engineering program is ranked 63rd. It's business school is ranked 49th. And ranked 54th in their doctoral program. Those may not be the highest numbers around, but they are certainly doing okay.

      Additionally, the University of Alabama's Law school is ranked 66th (no link), and their doctoral program is also in the second tier.


      On the non-academic side of things, Alabama is home of NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center, and is the location of many industry leading businesses, particularly in steel and construction materials. Mercedes also apparently has enough confidence in the competency of Alabamians (there is a rather large Mercedes plant in Tuscaloosa county).

      Now I realize you were just taking a cheap shot to get some quick karma, but I'm rather tired of the stereotype that south = slave-owning rednecks.
    2. Re:Alabamer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, I don't see where he said Alabama was full of slave-owning rednecks. Idiots who state the obvious, perhaps--care to jump in and expound?

    3. Re:Alabamer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot to mention how much lower the cost of living is (a cup of coffee doesn't really cost $5 ya'll).

    4. Re:Alabamer by monkeymanbob · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe I'm biased since I have degrees in math & physics from a prominent Alabama university specializing in cutting-edge materials science and optics and am currently working on third generation spacecraft... oh, did I mention while living in "Alabamer" and hailing from "Tennduhsee"? And you critics of "Alabamer" are from where exactly? Perhaps that state where even New Yorkers won't live, New Jersey? Or that bastion of good government, Taxachusettes? What exactly have *you* done to advance the human race lately besides post ill-conceived comments to slashdot and burn your karma getting your ever-witty observations modded up to "funny"? Special bonus: +2 to your self-assumed intelligent self if you can actually figure out the source of my nick.

    5. Re:Alabamer by joeblakethesnake · · Score: 1

      You really need to grow up. Alabama is not so backwards as you think. Just a few days/weeks ago NASA announced a new NOC at the Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville. The University of Alabama at Birmingham is probably the best medical school in the Southeast and is one of the best in the entire nation. Alabama is also the home to several new automobile manufacturers such as Mercedes, Honda, and Hyundai. If you look at the cities of Alabama, most do not have the major crime problems of other cities. Sure, Alabama has its problems, but so does every state. When you bash Alabama with uneducated quotes like that, you simply make yourself and the state you live in look ignorant.

  29. wireless degrees are old news by leroybrown · · Score: 1

    correspondence schools have been around for decades and they're wireless!

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  30. Who would want this? by greenrom · · Score: 1
    Given the downturn in the telecom industry, are there really that many students eager to focus their area of study exclusively on 3G and 4G wireless? Then again, with a little luck, all the overcapacity might be burned off by the time they graduate, so maybe it's not such a bad idea after all.

  31. What's the ultimate goal of a graduate? by stratjakt · · Score: 1

    "It's really neat that you can communicate just through the air," Trueblood said in an interview over his cell phone. "Without wires you aren't limited to one specific area. Wherever I go, people can call me. There are a lot of advantages to that."

    Alot of advantages, yes. Too bad a rewarding job isn't one of them.

    Seriously, I thought highly specialized technical degrees were becoming ever useless. As the dot.com bubble burst, and tech stocks swirl the toilet bowl, aren't employers looking for more versitile, well-rounded employees that can innovate?

    The liberal arts background of this program bothers me. I've always believed that the focus in engineering and comp. sci should be in a solid understanding of math and science (esp. physics).

    What do they learn? The physics of electromagnitism and how signals propogate? Network topologies? How to calculate Sprints latest cellular payment plan? The article is weak on details.

    I'm all for higher education, but this reeks of an industry-bought program designed to churn out tech support seatwarmers.

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    1. Re:What's the ultimate goal of a graduate? by HP+LoveJet · · Score: 1

      So the liberal arts background bothers you, and yet you think the highly specialized technical degree doesn't make sense. Which do you want? You can't have it both ways, dude.

      Also, in the interest of well-roundedness: you probably meant to type "A lot," "versatile," "electromagnetism," "propagate," and "Sprint's."

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  32. One other thing regarding concentration... by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2

    If you want to concentrate very specifically on a field in depth (i.e. wireless), that's what graduate school is for.

    I regret concentrating too much on RF as an undergrad, despite having taken a few courses outside of RF in DSP and information theory.

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  33. Wireless 101 by Animats · · Score: 3, Funny
    Wireless 101
    • Week one - selecting a cell phone
    • Week two - picking a payment plan
    • Week three - making calls
    • Week four - receiving calls.
    • Week five - using the phone directory
    • Week six - sending text messages
    • Week seven - roaming
    • Week eight - additional phone features
    • Week nine - final exam
    1. Re:Wireless 101 by BrookHarty · · Score: 2
      Wireless 102
      • Week one - Unlocking a GSM phone for any network.
      • Week two - Copying a Sim card
      • Week three - Unlocking more data channels for increased speed
      • Week four - metered bandwidth and ways around it
      • week five - connecting with IR or Bluetooth under linux
      • week six - using customer support to avoid charges (churn!)
      • week seven - buying phones off ebay
      • week eight - downloading unlicensed ringtones
      • week nine - cyber sex with 1 thumb typing.

  34. Waaaaaarrrrrrr EAGLE! by petemarkey · · Score: 1

    HEY!

  35. Specialized/Hybrid Degrees by cmpalmer · · Score: 2, Informative

    I am assuming from reading the article (*gasp*, yes I read it) and the comments that this is basically a EE degree with a high degree of specialization.

    My Computer Engineering degree from Auburn is similar. Where at most schools, Computer Engineering is a EE with a specialization in Computer Science, at Auburn it is essentially a CS degree with a EE minor. I had to take the basic engineering courses, the bulk of the CS major courses, and the EE courses in digital electronics and computers. I thought (and still think) this combination is cool, but I found out later (when looking at graduate school) that it is kind of screwy. Basically, my credits didn't qualify me for admission to masters programs in CSE/EE in most schools without taking a few more undergraduate classes in analog electronics/powers/etc.

    People taking the wireless major may have the same problem, but you can probably take most of the wireless classes as tech electives in a EE program and have the same result with a "standard" engineering degree.

    As to why they did it, they wanted the money...

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  36. Re:And this is news... Why? by afidel · · Score: 2

    I work for a wireless division of a large network equipment maker and almost all of the guys that do the advanced theory stuff and actually push the design of the next generation products are Phd's in particle or quantum physics, but the engineers who actually design the products are mostly MS and Phd in EE. We are in Ohio, so OSU is where most of our interns come from, and we have worked closely with GeTech for antenna testing and verification, as you said their facilities are better than most corporations.

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  37. Re:Wireless? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hibbert: Son, I'm afraid that leg is hanging by a thread.
    Lubchenko: Lubchenko must return to game!
    Hibbert: [chuckles] Your playing days are over, my friend. But, you can always fall back on your degree in ... [reads chart] communications!? Oh, dear Lord!
    Lubchenko: I know! Is phony major. Lubchenko learn nothing. Nothing! [cries]

  38. Killing Our Ability To Innovate by RhettLivingston · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This continuing trend to greater specialization is killing our ability to innovate. Different specialists can never communicate well enough to replace a multi-disciplined individual. Teamwork can only go so far. There is no substitute for knowing it all.

    1. Re:Killing Our Ability To Innovate by drinkypoo · · Score: 2
      Some people aren't smart enough or motivated enough to know it all, or to figure it out. For those people, there are specialized degrees. For those who are, there are multiple degrees.

      And finally, for those of us who are seriously lazy, there are two year degrees.

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    2. Re:Killing Our Ability To Innovate by BxT · · Score: 1

      This continuing trend to greater specialization is killing our ability to innovate.

      Actually, I think many people would argue just the opposite- if everyone tries to learn everyone no one will have the wall-clock time to master any one field. It's the same reason why some people specialize in Unix / Mac / Windows. Just, as things get more involved you have to dig into deeper and deeper specializations.

      -BxT

    3. Re:Killing Our Ability To Innovate by RhettLivingston · · Score: 1

      I really don't think that's true. I've learned and programmed in more than 50 languages and can say now that you move to a point where all the languages are simple instantiations of a single abstraction in my head. Some are perhaps better instantiations than others, but still, just instantiations. True knowledge is not found in the facts but rather in the patterns behind them. We've turned college degree programs into technical howtos and gotten off of the track of knowing the theory under all of it.

      The same is true of operating systems, RF systems, and other disciplines. Disciplines are merely instantiations of fields of knowledge. A single 4 year degree should be able to teach several fields of knowledge. I learned at least 4 that I can think of in computer engineering. After that, everything else is just instantiating your knowledge with new parameters.

      The mistake I think we make today is to believe that in order to understand a field we must be able to perform in that field without reference. I understand several fields at a deeper level and can perform better than those that don't need a reference in the fields because I understand the reasons behind their reference.

      The idea that information has become too voluminous for one individual to learn is also false. Rather, the art of applying abstract knowledge to predict or understand great volumes of detailed information without actually having to know those great volumes has been lost.

      When going through college, I didn't do homework as a rule. Couldn't see the sense in practicing such obvious things. I noticed that in general I didn't even have to listen in class or read the book. For instance, in Calculus, most of the thought process of solving the problems on one test was implied by the thought process of solving the problems on the last test. It was relatively easy to go into the test cold and simply solve the problems based on a slight stretch from past experience.

      When one knows the sequence of steps that have been used historically in developing knowledge, the next step is usually implied (hence the reason it became the next step (not, in most cases, because someone was particularly brilliant, but rather because they were in the right place at the right time to be the one person of the many possible ones to develop that step).

  39. 3G? Wow!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, when I graduate in 2007, I'll be guaranteed a job with Sprint and their picture taking cell phones. Think of all the limitless possibilities, sending wannabe jpeg files at blazing speeds of 70k/s, or developing poor-ass attempts of Gameboy Advance style games. Remember, stay within the 2MB per month transfer limit.

  40. The University of Texas at Dallas Offers Similar by EvlG · · Score: 4, Informative

    For those interested, The University of Texas at Dallas offers a similar degree program called Telecommunications Engineering. Its scope is a bit broader than just wireless.

    Check out UTD's page about the program for more information.

  41. Re:Probably Flamebait. by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 1

    Integral? What's that?

  42. E-Mag by Zordak · · Score: 1

    Also, probably the most important. It's one thing to draw a circuit in PSpice or MentorGraphics and watch your simulations do their thing neatly and precisely. It's another thing altogether to deal with realities, like the fact that simple conductors actually do have finite impedances and capacitances, that wires arranged the wrong way can cause inductance problems and that the 60 Hz noise from the lights can cause a hum in your audio amplifier.

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  43. Re:Probably Flamebait. by Valdrax · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It depends on your school. CS, CmpE, and EE are all equally tough where I went to school. Management and IE (aka Imaginary Engineers) got our drop outs. Now THAT's the kind of thing that inspires cynicism in the workforce long before you enter it. All the washouts and losers are going to be your boss!

    Of course, we didn't actually have an MIS degree. ...You know, not being an over-priced community college and all.

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  44. Because of money and politics by Glycerine · · Score: 1

    The wireless degree is essentially a EE degree with a hotter specialization on wireless applications. i.e. you still take power, but you deal with small scale voltages, etc. From a learning and administrative standpoint, keeping this program as a specialization of EE (as it always has been, at AU and other schools), makes more sense. Just like with the ECE (EE with computer option). It's easier to get an engineer to program, than a programmer to engineer. Plus, it's better to start broad and specialize on your way in, so you are better equipped to meet any challenge thrown at you. The traditional major may not know every in and out of an area like the specialist does, but will know a little bit about more things. So while the specialist will have no idea of stuff outside his field, the traditional major will have at least that little bit to fall back on and get going quicker.

    BUT, If Samuel Ginn comes up and gives you 25 million dollars to make that specialization a full fledged curriculum,.... are you going to say no?

    1. Re:Because of money and politics by shaldannon · · Score: 2

      I think at this point someone should mention that Samuel Ginn has a vested interest in producing wireless engineers.....been a while since I read the Alum mag on the purchase of the CoE, but iirc, Mr. Ginn owns a large regional cellular company.

      Being an Alum, I have to say I think that's a lousy name to plaster on the CoE, but nobody asked me, and I can't outbid him, so... ;)

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  45. Tesla and wireless information by Jecel+Assumpcao+Jr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How about the 1898 wireless robot boat demo? Even though the focus is on power, it seems to me like he is transmitting information.

  46. The problem I see with it... by KC7GR · · Score: 2

    ...is the tightness of focus. There's a LOT more to RF than just digital wireless networking devices, cellphones, etc.

    I would hope that the college will include solid background material in RF circuit basics (oscillators, modulation techniques for both digital and analog, power amps, basic antenna theory and practice, receivers and demodulation, etc.) as well as the material on networking.

    Failing that, I would hope that they at least encourage the kids to get their ham radio tickets, and to be experimenters. That'll at least get them some hands-on.

    (Yes, I'm biased, I admit it. Don't ask about my plate voltage). ;-)

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  47. Uh... by autopr0n · · Score: 2

    Havn't we had 'radio engenering' for like decades?

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  48. Available as an online course? by Wireless+Joe · · Score: 1

    This degree is meaningless to me unless I can take it in online courses via GPRS and/or 802.11b.

  49. Roll Tide!!! by alta · · Score: 1

    Ok, who knows what I'm talking about?

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    1. Re:Roll Tide!!! by rfreynol · · Score: 1

      Some ag prof probably head about all this wireless technology and is trying to apply it to an electric fence.

      Roll Tide.

    2. Re:Roll Tide!!! by shaldannon · · Score: 1

      Figures the Alabama fan can't spell "heard" properly. You were probably thinking about cattle...(gd&r)

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  50. Auburn? The Hell? by ASimPerson · · Score: 1

    As a resident of the state of Alabama, I'm greatly appalled that one of our major schools is actually offering something like this. I mean, this is like, progressive or something....

    Actually, in reality, this is nice and all, but I agree with most other people in this post: it's rather worthless because it's too specific and based on the current trend. Sounds like AU just wanted to get some national recongition for something else besides football and their upcoming SACS accreditation review.

    Basically, all this really means is that the best engineering school in the state is the one in my backyard, UAH.

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    1. Re:Auburn? The Hell? by joeblakethesnake · · Score: 1

      It all depends on what type of engineering. UAB is good for biomedical engineering, and Auburn is good for civil engineering.

    2. Re:Auburn? The Hell? by ASimPerson · · Score: 1

      That's true. I visited some friends at UAB just last week....seems as though everyone and their brother has "bio" somewhere in their degree there.

      Unfortunately, though, UAB's campus kind of sucks. :\ But I've never been to Auburn, so I don't know about there....although I believe I have heard before that they were good at something, just that no one seemed to give anything specific.

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    3. Re:Auburn? The Hell? by Montezuma58 · · Score: 1

      UAH's campus is not really that great either. Its not as bad as UAB's though. I just can't imagine someone enjoying spending their college years hanging around downtown Birmingham. UAH is not a traditional college environment. Very few of the students live on or near campus. It has been jokingly called the University of Alabama at Home. A large percentage of the students are older people that work full time and go to school part time. Most of the others are locals that wanted to stay at home. I just would not recomend to someone just out of high school to move there to go to school.

      As far as engineering programs both Auburn and UAH are pretty good. I would not really say one is better than the other. UAH's is a bit smaller though. But I guess I'm biased though since I do have degrees from both.

    4. Re:Auburn? The Hell? by ASimPerson · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I live in Madison, so I've been on UAH. While I know it's not much, at least it's seperated from the city, whereas UAB (which I was at last week visiting some folks) is literally just this school with some buildings in Birmingham --- there's really nothing to distinguish it.

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    5. Re:Auburn? The Hell? by shaldannon · · Score: 2

      Well, I did a year at UAB, and enjoyed it...nice campus if you don't mind dodging bullets on 8th Ave S. in B'ham (kinda close to the Engineering building I might add), but since it's really spread all over south B'ham, it's not exactly a student friendly campus...in fact, it's mostly a commuter campus.

      I finished my degree at AU, so I can also speak from experience on that score. AU has a nicer campus, generally nicer people, and the professors and students help each other a lot...

      One of my fellow students had been to UAH...I lack knowledge on it beyond getting the idea that it was great for pre-engineering and aerospace.

      And then there's that den of iniquity that people call Tuscaloser...I mean, Tuscaloosa...then again we can't all be perfect can we? :)

      Oh yeah... Go Tigers

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  51. hillbhilly wireless by jhampson · · Score: 1

    Upgrade path: they cut the string between the tin cans.
    "Heyyyyy Bubba, y'all got'cher ears on? Come on. Over."
    shweeeee Convoy!

  52. CS school moved to the engineering college by mblumber · · Score: 1

    This makes as much sense as moving the computer science school into the college of engineering...

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    1. Re:CS school moved to the engineering college by shaldannon · · Score: 2

      Hmmm...you don't know Auburn all that well then do you? The Dept of Computer Science there has been administered by th College of Engineering for many many years (maybe I should say, the "Samuel Ginn College of Engineering" (that leaves a nasty taste in my mouth) since they sold naming rights to the school to the highest bidding Alumn. Oh well...still a good school despite the ugly name change.

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  53. Teacheing Policy by jackalvcs2 · · Score: 1

    If I remember correctly isn't Auburn the college that just fired a professor for stating in class that all the hijackers on 911 Arab. Why would you want to go to a school that fires teahcer for stating the truth.

    1. Re:Teacheing Policy by jackalvcs2 · · Score: 1

      sorry I'm doing several things, and I'm on drugs, from surgery maybe I should type a little slower...Isn't Aubrun the College that just fired a Professor for stating that all of the 9/11 hijackers were Arab. Who would want to go to a college that fires professors for stating the truth.

    2. Re:Teacheing Policy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you referring to the professor at Orange Coast College in California who refered to Arabs at Nazis. Here is an archived link: http://www.thefire.org/offsite/data/latimes_121701 .html

    3. Re:Teacheing Policy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I think that you're thinking about an incident at Florida State University. I live in Birmingham, so I think I would have read about it if something similar had happened at Auburn. And as a University of Alabama grad, I take note of all the negative AU news that I can. :-)

    4. Re:Teacheing Policy by jackalvcs2 · · Score: 1

      go to http://www.boortz.com/nealznuz.htm near the bottoem of the page above reading assignments..the letter was written by a student at Auburn

    5. Re:Teacheing Policy by thisisnotmyid · · Score: 1

      The page you refer to says: -- BEGIN QUOTE -- POLITICAL CORRECTNESS AT AUBURN This e-mail from an Auburn University student. After explaining to the class that The Oddyssey was written in 1150 B.C.,my liberal great books professor (great books is basically a core literature class) quickly apologized for the offensive religious language embodied in "B.C.". She then went on to tell us that if we were offended that she would use the term "B.C.E" or, Before Common Era. (Auburn University) It's worse than you think. In the reading assignments you'll find two more links about liberalism and political correctness at our colleges and universities. Mona Charen tells us that a college professor was fired for telling the class that all of the hijackers on September 11th were Arabs. Also a link to some study results which will show the overwhelming number of leftists on our campuses. -- END QUOTE -- Sorry jackalvcs2. You are wrongly mixing two different parts of the story. This piece if talking about political correctness on college campuses. The email from the Auburn student says nothing about a professor being fired for comments. The web site then goes on to make another example of political correctness gone wild, and says that Mona Charen, a syndicated columist cites a college professor being fired for his comments about Arabs. Sorry, nothing in this piece says that it was an Auburn University professor. It is unfortunate that the web site is so poorly put together that someone can read one quote from a student, then read something entirely different from someone else -- but believe that they are related. It is also unfortunate that the site is willing to float second hand information from a syndicated columnist but not offer any citations to the source. To the contrary, it was NOT an Auburn professor. The Electronic Frontier Foundation is keeping a running collection of people who have been fired due to issues relating to September 11. Someone else who replied to you seems to be correct, the only professor fired for derogatory comments was a person at Orange County College in California. A guy was also apparently fired in Florida because he allegedly supports terrorists. But it looks like Auburn University isn't involved with any of the stuff you mention. See the following link for details: http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/Terrorism_ militias/antiterrorism_chill.html

    6. Re:Teacheing Policy by jackalvcs2 · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry I'm still drugged from the surgery you are right the link I sent you was not about a professor being fired. if you go the main page for that site http://www.boortz.com/ he mentions the proffesor at Aubrun being fired. I though he link to more information about it, but when I first found it was a few days ago he may have already removed the link...btw thanks for the link at the EFF about people being fired due to 9/11 I was unawair of that.

    7. Re:Teacheing Policy by shaldannon · · Score: 2

      I'm an AU grad, but I hadn't heard of this. However, if you don't like that, maybe you'd like attending the University of North Carolina (Chapel Hill) where it is now mandatory for freshmen to study the Koran and write (positive) reviews about what they read.

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  54. Re:And this is news... Why? by BxT · · Score: 1

    Whatever this program is, I'm sure it pales in comparison to the EE programs at Georgia Tech and the University of Illinios

    So, what's your definition of 'pale'? And what data from both sides of the coin do you have to back this statement up?

    Just asking for clarification...

    -BxT

  55. This could prove useful by bembleton · · Score: 1
    With the huge market for wireless technologies these days, we (the general public mind you) need more and more technical support for our phones, pda's, wireless candybars, or whatever the hell they have simms in now.

    The Auburn Wireless graduates would have just about the right amount of education for our tech lines!

    future Auburn Wireless graduate

  56. Perspective from AU class of '99 grad by OpenGLFan · · Score: 1

    I see a lot of comments bashing Auburn for creating a specialized degree. Relax! I've seen it, and it looks like a solid program rooted in good EE principles. As a grad student (now at the University of Texas), trust me: if you want to know a lot about wireless communications, the old answer was: get your Master's degree or PhD. That's still the answer, and if you'll look at the class listings, you'll see that a lot of this effort is concentrated in graduate-level courses.

    They're not replacing the EE degree. They're just adding more courses; undergrads can take them until their ears bleed and get a degree with a title that emphasizes their interest, or they can get a graduate degree heavy on wireless.

    (That said, I'd still get an EE. But I'm a computer architecture gEEk, not a wireless gEEk.)

    1. Re:Perspective from AU class of '99 grad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but as the EE students in the green room liked to point out, you also can't spell bEEr without EE. :)

      Cheers and War Eagle!

  57. Perspective from AU class of '95 grad by Montezuma58 · · Score: 1

    I agree. This really is not any different than other specializations. I do think it is a little overhyped. I guess if you don't suck up to people who give you $25e6, they'll be less likely to give you $ in the future.

    I'm not too big on specialization anyways. At least at an undergraduate level. It's crutch that helps you get a job right off of the bat. I think in the long run the ability to think rationally and objectively are more important than any specific knowledge about some currently hot field. I do think good undergraduate engineering programs can help develop these skills though. I know several people that are doing pretty good in fields that weren't even their major much less any specialization.

  58. Sorry.. but.. by mindstrm · · Score: 2

    this is kind of hokey. It's more like a trade than a degree.
    3G? You mean cellular services? So they are offering a degree in cellular?

    Degree has ceased to mean what it used to mean in America.

  59. Do you know Auburn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those of you who are bashing Auburn may want to consider a few things.

    The Wireless Engineering degree was made possible through a donation of $25 million to the College of Engineering by Samuel L. Guinn. Dr. Guinn is the former chair of Vodaphone and a pioneer in the development of wireless technology. He's also a 1959 graduate of ... Auburn University!

    Astronaut Jim Voss spent time on the space station. Kathryn Thorton helped repair the Hubble Space Telescope. Jan Davis (STS-47, STS-60, STS-85), Henry Hartsfield (STS-4, STS-41D, and STS-61A), Thomas Mattingly II (Apollo 16, STS-4, and STS-51C), and Clifton Williams all flew in space. What do they have in common? They're all ... Auburn graduates! Auburn is in the top ten schools nationwide as a producer of astronauts.

    Millard Fuller co-founded Habitat for Humanity. Fuller is a 1957 graduate of Auburn University.

    No list would be complete without mentioning Don Logan. Some of you might have heard of him - he's the Chairman of AOL-Time Warner's Media Communications group. Don Logan is also a gratuate (magna cum laude) of ... Auburn University.

    And we can't forget Johnny "Mike" Spann. He may not be as well known as some of the others here, but, in my opinion, he is one of Auburn's greatest heroes. Spann was the first war death of the U.S.'s action in Afghanistan. He, like some other Auburn graduates, heeded his nation's call, nad made the ultimate sacrifice.

    Do you know Auburn?

  60. WARDRIVING DEGREES AVAILABLE SEE LINK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality,' which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to pedophilia.

    What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:

    Linus Torvalds is an anagram of slit anus or VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the first initial.
    Richard M. Stallman, spokespervert for the Gaysex's Not Unusual 'movement' is an anagram of mans cram thrill ad.
    Alan Cox is barely an anagram of anal cox which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.
    I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for secondary rim and cord in my arse. It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.

    Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail, which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male' -- a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, 'felching' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into 'e-male.'

    As far as Richard 'Master' Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following: 'I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance,' he says. 'It's about being able to question conventional wisdom,' he asserts. 'I believe in love, but not monogamy,' he says plainly.

    And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo slut!

    Speaking about 'flaming,' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children. To quote from the article linked:

    'I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'

    Is this why you were touching your penis in the cinema, Jon? And letting the other boys touch it too?

    We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot's resident Gasbag.' Is there any more doubt? For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of homosexual terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code,' a 'Gasbag' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, 'piss-pipe'), then his homosexual lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum. This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.

    Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.

    In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups. The Slackware distro is named after the 'Slack-wear' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes. Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of claw arse, a reference to the homosexual practise of anal fisting. The Mandrake product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator. It was also chosen because it is an anagram for dark amen and ram naked, which is what they do.

    Another 'distro,' (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like 'Disco,' which is where homosexuals preyed on young boys in the 1970s), is Debian, an anagram of in a bed, which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares. 'Woody' is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male penis, glistening with pre-cum. But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato' that they use. This filthy term, again found in the secret homosexual 'Sauce Code,' refers to the solo homosexual practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid. The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.

    And Red Hat is secret homo slang for the tip of a penis that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.

    The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry! For example, the 'supermount' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration, which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland. 'Automount' is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and gay, and need to mount each other automatically.

    The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points.' These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration. The main one is obviously /anus, but there are others. Militant fags even say 'there is no /opt mount point' because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life.

    More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love `man`, even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda) should try out `man`. In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.

    Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherit gayness. For example, people are often told of the 'FAQ,' but how many innocent heterosexual Windows users know what this actually means. The answer is shocking: Faggot Anal Quest: the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags!

    Even the title 'Slashdot' originally referred to a homosexual practice. Slashdot of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting. The Slashbots, of course are those super-zealous homosexuals who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, http://www.eff.org/.

    The editors of Slashdot also have homosexual names: 'Hemos' is obvious in itself, being one vowel away from 'Homos.' But even more sickening is 'Commander Taco' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco,' filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement. (The best form of lubrication, they insist.) Sometimes, these 'Taco Commodes' have special 'Salsa Sauce' (blood from a ruptured rectum) and 'Cheese' (rancid flakes of penis discharge) toppings. And to make it even worse, Slashdot runs on Apache!

    The Apache server, whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after homosexual activity -- as everyone knows, popular faggot band, the Village People, featured an Apache Indian, and it is for him that this gay program is named.

    And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.

    To summarise: Linux is gay. 'Slash -- Dot' is the graphical description of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus. And BeOS is for hermaphrodites and disabled 'stumpers.'

    FEEDBACK

    What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do. I'm scared I actually read this whole thing. I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people. This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this. And actually take the time to do it too. Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it's early. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot
    Well, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code' once. Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel'?), this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major animal species. It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo-calypse which threatens to engulf our planet.

    You must work for the government. Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot won't be able to continue or something, due to legal woes. If i ever see your ugly face, i'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass, after it's nice and hot, to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot
    Doesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it's way up my most sacred of sphincters? You're beyond help, my friend, as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man. Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond? The government, being populated by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual child molesting Linux advocacy. Hell, they've given NAMBLA free reign for years!

    you really should post this logged in. i wish i could remember jebus's password, cuz i'd give it to you. -- mighty jebus, Slashdot
    Thank you for your kind words of support. However, this document shall only ever be posted anonymously. This is because the 'Open Sauce' movement is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom. I speak for the common man. For any man who prefers the warm, enveloping velvet folds of a woman's vagina to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child. These men, being common, decent folk, don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture. I am the unknown liberator.

    ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot
    We shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society. This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism.

    Actually, that's not at all how scrotal inflation works. I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum. I've never tried this, but you can read how to do it safely in case you're interested. (Before you moderate this down, ask yourself honestly -- who are the real crazies -- people who do scrotal inflation, or people who pay $1000+ for a game console?) -- double_h, Slashdot
    Well, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code' is riddled with bugs that need fixing. (The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: 'Given enough arms, all rectums are shallow.' And anyway, the PS2 sucks major cock and isn't worth the money. Intellivision forever!

    dude did u used to post on msnbc's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot
    For one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing, NT is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them. Remember, a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church. Clearly, the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor. All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems. It is the only route to salvation.

    Secondly, this message is for every man. Computers know no colour. Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by a Black Man . Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher.

    And don't forget that slashdot was written in Perl, which is just too close to 'Pearl Necklace' for comfort.... oh wait; that's something all you heterosexuals do.... I can't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them. -- phee, Slashdot
    Although there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her neck and chin area, it should be noted that Perl (standing for Pansies Entering Rectums Locally) is also close to 'Pearl Monocle,' 'Pearl Nosering,' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema.'

    One scary thing about Perl is that it contains hidden homosexual messages. Take the following code: LWP::Simple -- It looks innocuous enough, doesn't it? But look at the line closely: There are two colons next to each other! As Larry 'Balls to the' Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation, Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of 'colon kissing,' whereby two homosexual queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters together. They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone. This is also referred to in programming 'circles' as 'Parameter Passing.'

    And PHP stands for Perverted Homosexual Penetration. Didn't you know?

    Thank you for your valuable input on this. I am sure you will be never forgotten. BTW: Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars? Mars rulaa. -- Eimernase, Slashdot
    Well, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I do know that homosexual Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years.

    That's inspiring. Keep up the good work, AC. May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community, and make it pure again. Yours, Cerberus. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot
    *sniff* That brings a tear to my eye. Thank you once more for your kind support. I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the Good Lord's work, but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.

    However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot. It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical. Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide, treating it as an 'extension' to the Linux 'Sauce Code,' for the sake of 'interoperability.' (The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse -- their favourite kind.)

    In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties, (Love of Anal Naughtiness, needless to say.), wherein they entice a stray dog, known as the 'Samba Mount,' into their homes. Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal. Eventually, the 'Samba Mount' collapses due to 'overload,' and needs to be 'rebooted.' (i.e., kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.) Many Linux users boast about their 'uptime' in such situations.

    Inspiring stuff! If only all trolls were this quality! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot
    If only indeed. You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible. I recommend '+1, Underrated,' as that will protect your precious Karma in Metamoderation. Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture. Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender'???

    If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it will be archived forever! Others will learn of our struggle, and join with us in our battle for freedom!

    It's pathetic you've spent so much time writing this. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot
    I am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity that is Linux, in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow. It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment.

    As with any great open-source project, you need someone asking this question, so I'll do it. When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready?!?! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot
    I could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of 'Every time someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours,' but the truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two,' as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe.

    I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel, you sexy hunk, you. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot
    I sincerely hope you're Natalie Portman.

    Dude, nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading. Try to distill the message, whatever it was, and maybe I'll read it. As it is, I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time. 10 seconds is all its gonna take M$ to whoop Linux's ass. Vigilence is the price of Free (as in libre -- from the fine, frou frou French language) Software. Hack on fellow geeks, and remember: Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins. Those godless, oil drench, bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons (another fine, fine French word) and eat that. Anyway, try to keep your message focused and concise. For concision is the soul of derision. Way. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot
    What the fuck?

    I've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I'm impressed. In particular, I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing homos tend to be full of. Thank you again. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot
    Well bugger me!

    ooooh honey. how insecure are you!!! wann a little massage from deare bruci. love you -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot
    Fuck right off!

    IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not HURD, which is an acronym for 'Huge Unclean Rectal Dilator') across the whole community, so it has been released into the Public Domain. You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the GPL (Gay Penetration License) that is no more than an excuse to see who's got the biggest feces-encrusted cock. I would have put this up on Freshmeat, but that name is known to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.

    Come to think of it, the whole concept of 'Source Control' unnerves me, because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control,' which is a description of the homosexual practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver's scrotum. And 'Open Sauce' is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later. Obviously, 'Closed Sauce' is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about.

    Contributors: (although not to the eternal game of 'soggy biscuit' that open 'sauce' development has become) Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, double_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward. Further contributions are welcome.

    Current changes: This version sent to FreeWIPO by 'Bring BackATV' as plain text. Reformatted everything, added all links back in (that we could match from the previous version), many new ones (Slashbot bait links). Even more spelling fixed. Who wrote this thing, CmdrTaco himself?

    Previous changes: Yet more changes added. Spelling fixed. Feedback added. Explanation of 'distro' system. 'Mount Point' syntax described. More filth regarding `man` and Slashdot. Yet more fucking spelling fixed. 'Fetchmail' uncovered further. More Slashbot baiting. Apache exposed. Distribution licence at foot of document.

    ANUX -- A full Linux distribution... Up your ass!

    Feces Thrower UNIQUE4

  61. NASA by Streyeder · · Score: 1

    We do have NASA! :D

  62. Not the first by Eric+Smith · · Score: 2
    "Auburn University in Alabama will become the first school in the country to offer a four-year bachelor's degree in the study of wireless technology this fall.
    Wireless technology is at least 105 years old, and there have been degrees relating to it for at least 40 years.
  63. Degrees in OOP? by rockhome · · Score: 1

    What kind of crap is this?

    Isn' this a specialization.

    "Hi, I know little about other forms of communication, but I have a BS in an extremely focussed area".

    I can't stand people who talk about their BS vendor certs, now I have to deal with some engineer-lite?

    Please

  64. Another future fry cook by Mister_Personality · · Score: 1
    Without wires you aren't limited to one specific area.
    With obvious aptitude like this I'm sure this guy has a wonderful future in the wireless industry. He already has a better understanding then the drones at my local Cingular location who blame my poor reception at home on my satellite television.
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    Karma: Anything remotely associated with Boy George I have no interest in.
  65. Auburn is perfect place for this... by Grandal · · Score: 1

    Testing can be done in a sterile environment... Not to much interference from the single traffic light and Wal-Mart in Opelika.

    31-7!!!!!

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    - "Bill Cosby - Himself"
    1. Re:Auburn is perfect place for this... by shaldannon · · Score: 2

      Aw come on....you're forgetting the Wal-Mart on College Street, the super Wal-Mart in West Point, various Winn-Dixies, the police and fire stations, and the airport :)
      >
      seriously though...Auburn is a small town and Opelika would dry up without it, but I miss my college days there!

      shaldannon
      Graduate, Auburn University, '00 CS
      WARRRRRRRRRRRR EAGLE! HEY!

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  66. Already Available in Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.athabascau.ca/

    Offers complete degrees in Comp. Sci., "E-Commerce", Information Systems, and the other usual suspects.

  67. Off Topic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, this may be a silly degree, and I agree
    with the posters who said it should just be
    a concentration of an an EE degree, but, damn,
    I am pretty impressed with the advances in
    wireless technology over the last few years.

    I am only 36 years old, and it blows my mind
    that clock speeds in personal computers are
    in the microvave range.

    Heck, not very long ago it was black magic
    to build a communication system in the
    microwave range...

    I grew up around electronics, earned a BS in
    EE (with a few RF courses) and I am still amazed
    at the level of technology necessary to make
    possible the little three ounce cell phone
    I can buy for less than a hundred bucks.

    of course, the obvious Arthur C. Clark quote
    comes to mind.

  68. Alabama! by genrader · · Score: 0

    I live in Alabama, yeah! Auburn rules :P

  69. Re:Probably Flamebait. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That almost sounds like Georgia Tech....

  70. Re:And this is news... Why? by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2

    Reputation, quality of program, broadness (Well-rounded engineer with extra knowledge in wireless vs. wireless-only engineer who is screwed if the industry goes tits-up, or gets dragged down by the fact that most of the equipment manufacturers were also involved heavily in optical networking), and facilities.

    If you ask someone "in the industry", i.e. someone who is hiring, which they would rather hire - Either one of these Auburn "wireless" engineers or a GaTech EE that concentrated in wireless, they'll probably say GaTech because of its reputation and the fact that a lot of the major players do large amounts of business with GaTech.

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    retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?