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Maybe ask someone in Europe why we buy Nokia instead of Chinese (crap) Motorolas for example...

http://wmpoweruser.com/nokia-lumia-800-the-best-seller-on-expansys-sweden-kpn-netherlands/

You mean the same place crappy Chinese factory Nokia pumps their phones out of? Or are you referring to the crappy plants in Eastern Europe they shut down, laid everyone off and owed money to?

I must say, it is amusing watching Nokia fail. You would think the Nokia board would be more intelligent than to fall for what Microsoft did to them. Hopefully, Nokia sees the light one day and dumps that POS Windows Phone OS and regains their independence.

Maybe ask someone in Europe why we buy Nokia instead of Chinese (crap) Motorolas for example...

http://wmpoweruser.com/nokia-lumia-800-the-best-seller-on-expansys-sweden-kpn-netherlands/

Care to show some references that show MS giving native code rights to 3rd parties instead of just showing idle speculation and rumors from some random forum threads?

http://wmpoweruser.com/microsoft-promises-to-fix-many-windows-phone-7-limitations-in-future-releases/

Regarding the managed code sandbox, he noted that over time this will become less and less strict, and that access to native code will just be in very special cases, like with Adobe Flash.

He being Charlie Kindel, Microsoft spokesman.

WP7 is a complete rewrite of WM because WM sucked in task management and battery life(like Android?). Also, the UI needed resistive pressure sensitive screens whereas the world is moving to capacitative touch.

My HD2 has a capacitative touch screen and runs Windows Mobile just fine. I think it's absurd to make version n+1 of an OS based on the idea that version n "sucked". Well at the very least you shouldn't do so and expect people to upgrade.

Think of WP7 as a new OS.

That runs fewer of my favourite applications than Android and irritates me by being even more crippled and locked down than an iPhone. If I was going for a new OS it would be Android hands down. If I were not going for a new OS - i.e. if Windows Phone 7 had run Windows Mobile applications the odds are I'd have bought a Window Phone.

So they can say goodbye to the sort of people that bought WM phones as customers for WP7

Question is - will more people switch from Android or iPhone to WP7 to replace all the Windows Mobile users who decide to jump ship to Android? And the answer to that is that if you look at the falling market share of Microsoft mobile OSs - i.e. WinMo + WP7 - a rather resounding no.

...which is (a) obsolete data from 2010, and (b) aggregate revenue, not average revenue per paid app. Keep on ignoring those points, however.

Right because the Android market has become such a developers paradise in the past year.....

http://makingmoneywithandroid.com/2011/05/google-android-marketplace-vs-apple-app-store-latest-report/

"With so many free applications on the Android Market, itâ(TM)s clear that consumers are becoming more accustomed to free (potentially ad-supported) apps. As developers, this creates a bigger challenge if we want to sell apps to generate revenue"

http://wmpoweruser.com/angry-birds-developers-paid-content-just-doesnt-work-on-android/

"Paid content just doesn't work on Android"

http://www.pcworld.com/article/212772/id_softwares_john_carmack_ios_vs_android.html

Firstly HP and HTC

Secondly if you can't see that iphone is a simpler version of windows mobile (basically being stuck in all programs the whole time and only ever being able to run one program) i struggle to convince myself to reply to you.

And yet, here you are...

Complexity is not necessarily a good thing; especially for a consumer device. IOS is, being a derivative of OS X, obviously capable of, and in fact does, multitasking. Proof of this is of course demonstrated on the iPad, which allows basically unlimited simultaneous userland apps. Since they run the same microcontroller, and the same OS, what's the difference?

Battery size.

Next uninformed comment?

Third all pre iphone smart phones had alright browsers, hell i didn't like the first iphone browser much at all, you can hardly say it was innovation.

So let's see, YOU didn't like it; so it must be shit, right?

Fourth half of your points are based around the point that they popularized capacitive touch (its not like they invented it) a technology that wasn't really possible when these phones were coming out (5 years ahead of the iphone) due to manufacturing techniques not available/affordable.

Which half was that?

And beside that; Apple has some special hold on technology? Even years later, a lot of other phones were still using resistive touch screens.

Fifthly all the pre iphone smart phones i had also had voicemail i don't understand why it being random-access, or that fact that the "phone manufacture defined the feature set" is all that great. Hardly an argument that its the mother of all all smart phones.

I'm sorry that you lack understanding.

It wasn't that it had voicemail. Of course that wasn't innovative. It was that the voicemail didn't have to be listened to in order. That was the cool thing. Random Access Voicemail. And if you don't understand the advantage of that feature, there is seriously no hope for you.

Manufacturer defining the feature set (as opposed to the CARRIER deciding what features that your phone can have, like EVERY phone before the iPhone (and most after it, too))??? WTF, DUDE??? I mean SERIOUSLY, WHAT. THE. FUCK? Are you even reading what you are typing???

Android is closer related to windows mobile than ios (the front desktop with multiple widgets operating followed by being able to move to an all application page or settings).

So it comes down to a nice onscreen keyboard. Good on you apple surely you now own and are the creation of all smartphone os.

Evolution happened god damn it. I understand this wont convert you and no doubt tomorrow you'll log on to whatever ifan website you guys go to and read all the latest rumors and reason apple is the greatest and never bother to check out the competition; but please try to be a little open minded they aren't the only tech company out there.

Oh, how little you know me. The site that I must log into every day is, surprise, Slashdot. There is only one "Apple oriented" site that I regularly read (TUAW), and I rarely post on it, and usually read it (and then only briefly) only if I have thorougly exhausted everything on /.

I am open minded. I just haven't seen any other tech-oriented company that has such a consistent record of leading the industry in so many ways. Sometimes they aren't the first attempt at something; but when they do something, they more often than not, do it in a way that is actually useful. And anyone who knows the first thing about computers recognizes that they had a remarkable string of successes in the past decade.

So, it is you that seems to have the blinders on; not me.

Here are a couple of multitouch resistive screens:

http://wmpocket.com/toshiba-introduces-resistive-screen-with-multi-touch-capabilities/

http://wmpoweruser.com/fujitsu-releases-resistive-multi-touch-screen-likely-too-late-for-windows-phone-7/

This claims to be a software-only upgrade:

http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/19/stantums-mind-blowing-multitouch-interface-on-video/

1. Fantaisie-Impromptu is public domain. That only happens when the IP rights expire or are forfeited. So this is a different situation.

2. The copyright protections on the IP is not to protect a trade secret, so it doesn't matter how many people know or are familiar with the game.

3. The Tetris Company was formed and the creator of the game started getting paid. They copyright protections is for the people that own the rights to the property and still actively defends and use it, to retain control so they can continue making profits. The still make tetris games. There is one even scheduled for the 3DS. So are they right in protecting their interest? Sure they are. I believe ANYONE should be entitled to the same protections whether it is an indiviual or a the company that forms thanks to an individuals work. The implication that because they become a successful business that they shouldn't be afforded the right to protect their IP has to be one of the silliest things I have read in a long time.

4. Have you seen the game people are mocking? It is like a carbon copy clone. I would understand if this was a scenario of them going after a title that only barely resembles tetris (like lumines) but no this game is a clone. Down to shape, design and function. Even the blocks are the same. How is a clone like this beneficial in anyway?

http://wmpoweruser.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Tetrada11.png

Because nobody will bother as it gains them nothing since IOS doesn't support it? The future is mobile and it belongs to Apple, full stop. And this is from someone who doesn't own a single Apple device.

This is because Google shot themselves in the foot by refusing to put any standards on Android so now you have this big fragmented mess where in just my local Walmart you are looking at no less than 4 Droid versions and frankly more than 2/3rds of them are total shit. I'm already seeing the backlash working retail with people telling me how much they hate their Droid device and how they wish they got an iPhone/iPad, and it looks like I'm not the only one seeing that.

Then there is the matter of hardware acceleration which frankly just can't be "dropped in" via firmware on most devices, they just don't have the chip space for that big of a change. So you have a codec that 1.-doesn't work on IOS and probably never will, 2.-Can't have hardware support on a LARGE section of devices, whereas a combination of H.264 plus flash does and 3.-Thanks to Google torpedoing the HTML V5 tag (which was only gaining in the first place by Jobs killing flash on IOS) by pushing a niche codec that brings NOTHING to the table, not video quality nor file size nor support base, the simplest and cheapest solution for websites is to simply have a "raw" H.264 for IOS and anyone else who supports it and drop the very same file into a flash wrapper with ZERO re-encoding for those that don't (because even Linux has flash)

So I'm sorry, not gonna work, never gonna happen. Might have worked 5 years ago before everything had hardware support for the competition and folks fell in love with the iPhone,but now it has about as much chance as Vorbis taking control away from MP3. All this little stunt has done is make flash the defacto format for all those not on IOS because it is THE one thing all those not on IOS have in common. Just because a big corp pushes it doesn't mean it will get the public onboard, just ask MSFT about little things they tried like ohhhh...WMA, WMV, and Vista.

So I'll say it plain: There are Top Ten apps in the Windows Phone Marketplace that have five sales total ever.

Not sure about your numbers...

I have done some iPhone programming using XCode and Interface Builder. I have also used Monodevelop and Monotouch, which I found to be preferable. In my view, using XCode/Objective-C and IB is like being dragged back to the 90s. I have a friend who has completely dismissed WP7, who does a lot of iPhone programming. But what does he use? Monotouch because the Apple dev tools and Objective-C are archaic.

I started using Expression Blend and Visual Studio, which you can get for free, to try WP7 programming. The contrast between ExB/VS and IB/XCode is shocking from a developer's point of view. I would guess a team using the Microsoft tools could be anywhere from 2x to 5x more productive than an iPhone team, simply because the Microsoft development tools are that much better. No way is WP7 Vista. The dark horse might be Microsoft, but as developers start to realize how much better the platform is from a programming perspective, I think that will change. As soon as my carrier has a WP7 phone, I will be getting one.

There are announcements of Windows Embedded Compact (AKD Win CE) 7 tablets:
http://wmpoweruser.com/asus-eee-pad-ep101tc-first-windows-ce-7-tablet-announced/
(yes I know there was announcement dumping WinCE for Android, but there was a counter saying it was still going ahead).

There exist Windows 7 tablets:
http://www.archos.com/products/nb/archos_9/design.html?country=us&lang=en

So is this yet another previously unknown flavor to further muddy the waters?

Pretty sure if this thing will run Windows, it is not going to be an ARM chip.

It runs on a Consumer Ultra-Low Voltage CULV Intel Core 2 Duo processor.

The OS is Windows 7 Compact Embedded. [May 29]

And how exactly do you do it with your mythical Windows Mobile phone without buying it through the device or using another PC? Does it magically appear? I can't wait to find out how you've circumvented the laws of physics by making mp3's or pdf's appear magically from another dimension and show up on your Windows phone.

Obviously, you've never owned a Windows phone. It's just a little PC running Windows CE. You can copy files to it and such. Numerous WinCE phones have USB2 OTG, meaning they can serve as a USB host, and you can plug a flash drive into them. Microsoft has announced that there will be no file manager in Windows Phone 7, but there is clearly a filesystem explorer in the OS, and it is also highly unlikely that the user will not be able to download an actual file.

Windows Mobile has had excellent handwriting recognition built in from the beginning.

One problem with modern phones and handwriting recognition are the new capacitive touch screens. They don't work with traditional phone styluses. HTC recently patented a thin stylus that works with capacitive screens yet has the same accuracy as it would with a resistive screen. I would bet that styluses, and built-in handwriting recognition will be a feature of HTC's Android phones in the near future.

http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=7347