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The besty reason not to use Microsoft products : They're a Scientolgust conspiracy!

There's plenty of evidence :

All those two-letter product code NT, XP, ME are all scientologist jargon. OT "Office Two-thousand" is too.! See www.xenu.net

The disk defrag software is scientologist controlled! This was sufficient concern for the German government to ban it!

The "Satan" figure of Scientology is called Xinu (or Xemu, or Xenu). Clearly, this is a play on "unix". Scientology, and MS, is anti-unix!

I don't know if I totally agree with the writers outlook on elementary teachers avoiding the sciences - many of my favourite teachers in elementary school were strongly versed in the sciences.

However, I am Canadian, and I do not know if the rules for elementary teachers are different here.

Still, it does not surprise me in the least. In the course of my life I have run into only *five* people who were not Science Professors (or my parents) who truly understand critical thinking and Science.

I am still shocked by that.

The scientific method is not that hard to grasp - I got it in grade 8. Thats when I realized that it was a powerful tool for testing falsehood. I have been using it ever since.

Carl Sagan condensed these tools further into the following rules from the Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark.

If you are one of the few who understands these rules and applies them then you understand what I mean. I would dearly love to see the population at large appreciate science more, but as it is which gets more viewing? The Learning Channel or Fox?

The sad truth is not the teachers - but the population at large. Some people just don't want or care to know the answers, they just don't have the fundamental curiosity.

Maybe the article is correct. Children do have the fundamental curiosity - and that would be the best time to teach them.

Still - culturally we are left with statements like this from our leaders:

"Why should we subsidize intelectual curiosity?"
-- Ronald Regan

Ahem, yes, of course; I'd forgotten all about the fine religion that is Scientology - wouldn't want them to lose the revenue from all those fine books L Ron wrote. And it's simply dreadful when sites like Operation Clambake at http://www.xenu.net publish details of those books and make them out to be some sort of wacked-out cult.

It should be interesting to see what the lawyers plan to [try to] do with the usenet group:

alt.barney.dinosaur.die.die.die

I'll give five bucks for the head of any of the lyon's group's attack lawyers.

D - M - C - A

How about a good old fashioned Clambake instead?

Gold as electronic payment has been around for years. Duh! Heard of e-gold Slashdot?

You think my comment is reundant? This whole thread is redundant! OK so Slashdot is talking about Duke Nukems phrase competitions and things that have been around for years. I could forgive this if it wasn't for that right now Operation Clambake is in serious trouble because the ISP has given in to Scientology pressure and is removing his site for good. Hello?!? Then it becomes a bit silly to come here and talk about Protein Music.

2. No Pets. Scientologists like to release the "Thetans" in Pets. By killing them.

This comment reminds me of the hindus in India who think Catholics are cannibals because in the sacrament of Holy Communion you "eat the Body of Christ". [This used to be a widespread belief many years ago, and you still find it out in the less educated areas in India.]

The main criticism here is plain technique. FUD is best reserved for use by the Microsofties, not someone who is supposed to be intelligent.

You've misunderstood. There's no Scientologist religious sacrament involving pets. It's just that one of their standard intimidation techiniques is to kill the pets of those who they view as enemies. This is derived from Hubbard's "Fair Game" doctrine, which states that "Suppressive Persons" (enemies of the CoS) are "Fair Game" for certain tactics. From hour.ca:

In 1967, Hubbard issued the fair-game policy, which said that opponents "may be deprived of property or injured by any means, by any Scientologist. He may be tricked, sued, lied to, or destroyed utterly."

2. No Pets. Scientologists like to release the "Thetans" in Pets. By killing them.

This comment reminds me of the hindus in India who think Catholics are cannibals because in the sacrament of Holy Communion you "eat the Body of Christ". [This used to be a widespread belief many years ago, and you still find it out in the less educated areas in India.]

The main criticism here is plain technique. FUD is best reserved for use by the Microsofties, not someone who is supposed to be intelligent.

You've misunderstood. There's no Scientologist religious sacrament involving pets. It's just that one of their standard intimidation techiniques is to kill the pets of those who they view as enemies. This is derived from Hubbard's "Fair Game" doctrine, which states that "Suppressive Persons" (enemies of the CoS) are "Fair Game" for certain tactics. From hour.ca:

In 1967, Hubbard issued the fair-game policy, which said that opponents "may be deprived of property or injured by any means, by any Scientologist. He may be tricked, sued, lied to, or destroyed utterly."

Well, they do say 'they laughed at Tesla, Edison, and Einstein.' Unfortunately, they also laughed at Bozo the Clown. Alex Chiu strikes me as being closer to Bozo than any of the aforementioned.

However...

Some of the things he said actually struck very close to the core of things, simply because political correctness nowadays completely prevents many people from thinking them.

Here's one:
If you say Tibetans are not Chinese because they have their own language and culture, let me ask you this: Is Hawaii part of USA?


Reminding me of an old Onion article, that one is very true - Hawaii was pretty much assimilated after being occupied and used as a military base.

And about the notion of the peace-loving, religious, harmony-seeking Tibet being occupied by the evil Chinese - that's not total bunk, but a lot of it is nonsense. The Dalai Lama may be a nice guy, and a lot of atrocities did happen in Tibet, but Tibet is part of China and will forever be - it's a socio-geographical fact right now that we won't change. Complaining about that is a bit like complaining about Native Americans being murdered.

Sorry if this came out a bit flame-like, but I feel very strongly about certain things like the US' incessant complaints about human rights when people are being locked up right here and nowbecause they try to expose Scientology as the murderous cult they are. Human rights are a very complex issue, and China does have more than one billion people living in a country much less developed than the US. The US struggled with overpopulated inner-city ghettoes where human rights are an afterthought, but continues to point out the issues in countries that are struggling with gigantic problems.

How would the oh-so horrible blackouts in California look like if 300 million people lived there? Compare that to the populous regions of China?

Again, sorry if this drifted off-topic. I'll read and answer to responses, though. Thanks.

ATB

Oddly enough, Clearwater is also where the church of Scientology and anti-Scientology demonstrators frequently clash. Not that I'm saying that Microsoft and Scientology are similar in any way...

Just yesterday, the FBI raided Scientologist co-founder of Earthlink Reed E. Slatkin over his role in the biggest Ponzi scam of all time, detailed at the http://slatkinfraud.com site.

Not to mention their vicious actions against free speech on the Internet.

That's not to mention the somewhat questionable affidavit of former Scientology agent Robert J. Cipriano. Now according to Earthlink they stood up for privacy against the FBI. By the rule of thumb that anything a Scientologist says is the complete opposite of the truth, they just did that becuase they prefer to do all the spying themselves.

From the Cipriano affidavit:

37. On or about March 26th 1998, Mr. Moxon and I talked about my re-entering the work force. Mr. Moxon suggested Earthlink Network, Inc., in Pasadena. Earthlink Network is a Church Of Scientology company. Mr. Moxon contacted Mr. Sky Dayton, Chairman of Earthlink, who referred him to Mr. George Williams, Director of Dial-Up Sales. An interview was arranged, and I was hired March 27th 1998, even though they were not hiring at that time. Earthlink created a new sales management position for a girl named Jennifer so they could move her up creating an opening for me in the sales department. On March 28th 1998, I sent an email to Mr. Moxon thanking him for the introduction (See Exhibit 11 & 12).While at Earthlink Network in Pasadena, California, I had access to the Internet Service Provider's internal operations.

38. I was befriended the first day of my employment at Earthlink by a Mr. Michael Hamra, another sales associate. I quickly started a friendship with Mr. Hamra and spent countless hours talking about various things including how Earthlink started with investments, by Kirstie Alley, Tom Cruise, John Travolta and other wealthy Scientologists, into Sky Dayton's idea of an internet service provider. Mr. Hamra told me how Sky Dayton had a coffee shop before starting Earthlink and that he, because of being a Scientologist and his friendships with celebrity Scientologists, he was able to build a multi-million dollar company that could, "Watch over the entire internet from within the internet."

39. Additionally, Mr. Hamra told me he was one of the founding group of Scientologist who ran Earthlink out of a Glendale one room office where he made sales calls from a bathroom in the office. Mr. Hamra said, "The Church of Scientology now had a database of information on every subscriber which included names, credit card info., credit reports, telephone info., computer info., who had referred them to Earthlink and who were their previous ISP providers." Mr. Hamra told me about the "other Earthlink building" which was next door on New York Avenue in Pasadena. Mr. Hamra told me that the other building was high security and is where Earthlink and the Church of Scientology did all the monitoring of the internet. Mr. Hamra was always very interested in my testimony in Berry v. Cipriano. It became clear to me that he was reporting what I was saying to other in Scientology.

40. I received many incoming sales calls while at Earthlink from individuals who would ask, "Are you a bunch of Scientologists?" We were trained to never admit that we were involved with the Church Of Scientology.

As for your corporate comparison, Scientology's structural oranization is not that far from that of the Roman Catholic Church, or those of many Eastern religions. The Christian Coalition is an American non-profit that has poltical lobbiests, PR people, fund raisers, advertisers, etc. Religions are organizations. They have marketing, accounting, operations, and other departments just like any business or government.

You're confusing things. The Catholic Church and the Christian Coalition have nothing to do with each other. Some Catholics may be members of the Coalition, but it is not even remotely connected with the Catholic Church.

In fact, the Catholic heirarchy discourages those with positions of authority (priests, etc.) from running for political office. This is not to say that political advocacy is not encouraged. Priests and other such ministers have so many other obligations that holding a political office is simply impossible.

Religions are organizations. They have marketing, accounting, operations, and other departments just like any business or government.

They have these things because they're needed, not because they're scams. If no one was accoutable for the money, how would it get doled out to the right people? Not to mention that churches are made up of fallible people, so embezzlement would almost certainly be more prevalent than it is. Also, the government requires record-keeping for tax purposes, even for tax-exempt organizations.

Is the modern Catholic Church a scam to get your money? I don't think so.

Good. :)

Clearly, the Scientologists are a scam, but the only difference between them and the other organizations is one of intention.

If you honestly believe that, I think you are dangerously uninformed about Scientology. Have a look at Operation Clambake and spread the word!

I do believe the 2nd Ammendment needs to be ammended, especially with regards to the tax-exempt status.

Why? A legitimate religious organization should not have to pay taxes. If they did, the government would have control over religious activities. Think about taxes applied to religious actions we don't like -- a "religious sin tax," if you will :). Such an ammendment alteration would be dangerous.

If a particular "church" sells items to fund vacations, it is acting fradulently and should be prosecuted.

The majority of the country (perhaps rightfully) would rather put up with Scientology than have their church pay taxes.

It's not an either/or situation. Scientology is not a religion and should not be a tax-exempt religious organization. What's lacking is information in the right hands.

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Google "RPF" or "Rehabilitation Project Force".

Do the Methodists train their members in how to give false testimony as a sacrament?

Google "TR-L"

Do the Lutherans have a scripture stating that the purpose of lawsuits is not to win, but to harrass into submission?

You can read this scripture at http://www.xenu.net/.

..of course "Unix" backwards is "Xinu", which is awfully close to "Xenu", super being. Ask your local Scientologist if you're not sure.
The Master Of Muppets,

I think you probably don't know, because otherwise you'd understand! The Scientologists sue absolutely anybody they can, for whatever reason, often without any grounds at all. Yet they throw enough money and effort at it, that they win a disproportionate amount of times.

I can only say, go to http://www.xenu.net. Read. Marvel at it.

posted as a/c because I have the fear.

Scientology has had critics online for a long long time. They routinely pursue them more vigorously than any other organization in modern times. The msot notable of online criticisms of Scientology is called Operation Clambake and has been around for many years. The proprietor of this collection of information has helped several people high in the Scientology organization 'escape' the clutches of that organization. It's a vary interesting read, and it gives insight into why it's in the vested interest of the organization, not to tolerate descenters.

--CTH

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If you don't have anything nice to say, say it often.

the mental health industry were to help government and big business control populations and to control markets

Ok ok - Xenu is that you?

In addition I would like to bring up other points along these same lines. Bob Abooey, Jon Katz, and I have been conducting extensive studies that cover many of the social ill that plague our country. We have discovered the following truths:

1. Vehicles are involved in 100% of drunk driving fatalities. Elimination of vehicles would reduce the number of dead by 100%.

2. Computers are involved in 100% of all computer hacking cases. Elimination of computers would reduce these cases to 0.

   Fat people are major contributors to the number of deaths in the US that occur from obesity. Mass killings of fat people would drastically reduce the number of deaths from obesity.

   Dogs are involved in every single known dog bite case in the United States. To bring this problem under control we suggest the elimination of all dogs.

Indeed, these are pressing issues facing us all. For further information on Handgun Control please visit HCI's web site. Thank you.

http://www.battlefieldearth.net/ links to the Warner Bros site;
http://www.battlefieldearth.com/ was written by Author Services, Inc which we all know is merely another of the corporate identities of Co$. In fact, it has been written that:

[...] the not uncommon view that [L Ron] Hubbard's name smells, and the sole purpose of Author Services, Inc is to sanitise it.

The "news" page is particularly amusing. The top news item claims that BE is "#2 BEST SELLING DVD" (among which audience?). It's accompanied by a frothing review from a Dr. John L Flynn ...

One of the truly epic science fiction films of recent memory has finally been released as a special edition DVD from Warner Home Video [...]

I agree. I don't block out viewpoints I disagree with - particularly not when I'm researching. I do block out spam and flames; I don't enjoy abuse any more than the next guy.

"His answer: exposure to materials that people might not have chosen in advance. "

Sounds like a longing back for the age of opinion-pushing that we are now putting behind us (at least we net nerds). I'd like to see evidence that people are largely avoiding information they don't like.
I visit Operation Clambake often. There Scientologists who have broken free because of that site - despite the scieno net nanny all the other efforts of the church. When even scientologists can willingly seek out critical information, then I think we should be able to, too.

http://www.xenu.net/archive/FBI/

Welcome to The H-Files, an archive of documents from the US Federal Bureau of Investigation relating to L. Ron Hubbard and the Dianetics and Scientology movements which he founded. There are 638 pages ranging from 1940 to 1983. They are being transcribed now and will be included continuously.

Looks like the scientologists at FOX are going to have to sue xenu.net too!

The Mormon Church -- er, I mean, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints"* -- once pulled a similar feat when they sued to get Jerald and Sandra Tanner (two of their most prominent critics) to remove several pages of copyrighted material. The material was from the General Handbook of Instruction, a book of procedures and policies used by LDS bishops, and it described how to get one's name removed from the records of the Church.

So the Mormon Church sued, the Tanners took down the material after a protracted legal battle, replacing it with a link and later with a summary of the material. Meanwhile, hits to their website tripled, and it became very popular in "anti-Mormon" circles for everyone to have their own electronic copy of the General Handbook of Instruction. The Tanners have a summary of the whole legal battle, for anyone interested. I think it's relevant to the discussion because they discovered that linking to the copyrighted material -- as /. has -- still opened them up to liability.

* Lately, "The Church" has been strangely obsessed with media outlets using its "proper name."

1. Church of Scientology International v. Fishman and Geertz

2. Church of Scientology vs. the Net

3. Scientology Court Files

4. Scientology Cult Attacks XS4ALL

5. Scientology v. the Internet

(Found via Google and Yahoo!)

Remember, kids, Xenu says:

All your race are belong to us! You are on the way to supression. You have no chance to ascend, make your time!

Oh my god, it's been a long time since I've laughed that hard.

Operation Clambake needs to make up and sell T-shirts with that on it and sell them as a fund-raiser...

Jay (=

This text is not the posters original work. The original is for a leaflet found at Operation Clambake's Web site here

As an agnostic, I truly don't know whether I believe or disbelieve Scientology.

Scientology is a dangerous, stupid religion, but no more so than any other religion.

See what happened to Lisa McPherson. Sure, Christianity might have been this bad several hundred years ago. But then, that was *very* bad.

Actually, the problem with Hubbard is not that his religion is drivel. It is that his religion is a very nasty cult. The fact that it is drivel is almost incidental in comparison.

det er ikke bare Sverige ... Operation Clambake in the Netherlands has suffered similar legal attack, and Scientology gets tax-free status in the US. Only Germany seems to take the problem seriously.

PS. Anyone know why all those Hollywood "stars" are suckered in?

The big difference between an acceptable faith and a ... let's say "secret society" is the secrets. Scientology is rife with secret. One could say it's based on secret. The Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormon) has quite a few secrets, and they aren't looked favorably upon by many Christians for this reason. The Roman Catholic Church to my knowledge doesn't have any secret doctrines. (And hey, give me specifics if they do.) Doctrines would be very hard to follow if they were secret. Catholics publish their doctrine in the Catechism which is available for believers and non-believers alike.

Also, major religions have stopped endorsing killing the non-believers. The Catholic Church has formally apologized for this behavior in the past. That's hard to do when an organization considers itself the Church of the Almighty God. (You may be able to tell that I have some affinity for the Roman Catholic Church, though I am not Catholic myself)

Scientology is dangerous, as in causing deaths. Their obsessions with their oddball practices of "auditing," learning the secrets of Scientology, and giving money to Scientology often destroy followers' lives. Does anyone else wonder why this church is the most litigious organization in the United States (and there are a lot of lawsuits in this country)?

I won't say that Scientology is an evil cult. I will merely say that Scientology is a dangerous, ligtigious, exploitative, secretive money pyramid organization that was founded by a mediocre science fiction writer in order to make money.
-the Pedro Picasso

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The big difference between an acceptable faith and a ... let's say "secret society" is the secrets. Scientology is rife with secret. One could say it's based on secret. The Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormon) has quite a few secrets, and they aren't looked favorably upon by many Christians for this reason. The Roman Catholic Church to my knowledge doesn't have any secret doctrines. (And hey, give me specifics if they do.) Doctrines would be very hard to follow if they were secret. Catholics publish their doctrine in the Catechism which is available for believers and non-believers alike.

Also, major religions have stopped endorsing killing the non-believers. The Catholic Church has formally apologized for this behavior in the past. That's hard to do when an organization considers itself the Church of the Almighty God. (You may be able to tell that I have some affinity for the Roman Catholic Church, though I am not Catholic myself)

Scientology is dangerous, as in causing deaths. Their obsessions with their oddball practices of "auditing," learning the secrets of Scientology, and giving money to Scientology often destroy followers' lives. Does anyone else wonder why this church is the most litigious organization in the United States (and there are a lot of lawsuits in this country)?

I won't say that Scientology is an evil cult. I will merely say that Scientology is a dangerous, ligtigious, exploitative, secretive money pyramid organization that was founded by a mediocre science fiction writer in order to make money.
-the Pedro Picasso

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You obviously hasn't read anything about Scientology. They're a mad cult. May I recomend Operation Clambake? for you ? Good. Now, go read the OT documents. The scientology "religion" is crazy. Those documents SHOULD be public. Go read'em.
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May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.

Have a look at xenu.net. Basically, a 'religion' started by a nutter SF author, L Ron Hubbard which involves giving away scads of money to be let into the secret that we're all covered in little dead aliens which... oh heck, just read it. They're well crazy and well dangerous. Extremely litigious and scourge of usenet (the scientologists were probably the first to systematically abuse newsgroups to supress dissent and criticism).

Theres an old alien guy who sent a bunch of space ships here to Earth to solve an over population problem. The ships all got blown up by nukes he made once they were here. I guess somewhere in the process was a muck up because lots of "thetans" (bad souls?) were left around. Its these thetans, scientology claims, that keep you from achieving your true goals and dreams because they compete with your true soul. Scientology says they can remove them from you and help you become a better person.

In truth this church has even less real foundation than many cults and is known for exploiting people and using is monetary muscle to hide many of the more evil facts known about it. Check out http://www.xenu.net it should answer all your questions.

Try this and this, both offer a brief introduction into the Scientologists' mindset from an outsider's perspective.


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They just love to go after people who say bad (but true) things about them online. They would like nothing better than to be able to identify anyone and everyone because it makes it easier to harrass critics. Remember anon.penet.fi? You can thank the clams (scientologists) for its demise. Check out www.xenu.net if you want to know the whole story about this criminal organization that pretends to be a religion

Lee Reynolds (yes OSA its me)

Not to be confused with "Battlefield Earth", which was made by another cult, the "church" of scientology. Check out this web page for more info on the mormon/BG connection. Check out this web page for more info on the clams:

I made no such claim of perfection - you read that into my post.

My apologies then.

I agree with you to some extent that the US constitution has probably influenced other constitutions. But the US constitution in turn was clearly inspired by other constitutions as well. Many good constitutions are significantly older. While not all of them (and associated laws) included what we today consider basic rights from the start, they laid the groundwork. And modern democracy is really quite young, in any nation. For example, many modern nations did not have universal suffrage until well into the 20th century. (1921 in Sweden and 1947 in the US.)

The Swedish constitutions or "grundlagar" (they are actually four) date back to the 14th century, and many basic principles of democracy have been part of those constitutions for hundreds of years. Two examples are the freedom of press (prohibition of censorship, etc) and offentlighetsprincipen that were both made part of the constitutions of Sweden in 1766, ie 22 years before the US constitution was drafted. The offentlighetsprincip deserves special attention, since it probably has nothing quite comparable in other constitutions except the Finnish. It guarantees access to most documents and communication at courts, govermental agencies and institutions.

That principle was reason for a dispute with the US Congress a few years ago (acting on behalf of lobby groups with no real national interest in the issue) when Swedish authorities published the Bible of Scientology and made copies available to anyone in the world. It all began after a citizen began sending the Bible to parliament, courts and other institutions. Letters of protest sent by a US congressman and a US commerce agency spokesman also became public, much to their surprise and dismay. All these texts automatically became public according to the constitution, there was no way around it. The principle has been the cause of many politicians' fall, since the media routinely browse new documents and find out things they otherwise would not have.

For more info about the Swedish constitution:
ICL - Swedish Constitution
The Finnish-Swedish Offentlighetsprincipen (s.c.nordic FAQ-related texts)

For more (but partly outdated) information about the very fascinating Scientology case in Sweden, these sites are recommended:

Failed US pressure on Sweden
Zenon vs CoS - the A.R.S. Posts
Operation Clamblake: Zenon Panoussis vs. Cult of Scientology

Moving on to the federal constitution of Switzerland, it is admittedly significantly younger (from 1848, although its democratic traditions are quite old and direct democracy has been an integral part of the country's history for some time. In my opinion, the Swiss constitution is the best overall, despite that the democracy comes with a price: slow decision making.

If anyone wants more info about the Swiss constitution, I whole-heartedly recommend the book "The Referendum - Direct Democracy in Switzerland" by US political scientist, professor Kris Kobach. The following URL can also be useful:

Global Ideas Bank - Exporting the Swiss constitution
ICL - Swiss Constitution

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Regardless, Julf shut penet down because he could no longer guarantee the privacy of his users and he was being sued by the cult of scientology. Furthermore, the Finish police admitted that there was no evidence that the remailer was involved in child porography. So that entire line of reasoning is a red herring, and is this digression you have thrown up to confuse the issue.

Anonymous bi-directional communication is happening now, via all manner of vectors, not the least of which are Type I, Type II and nym anonymous remailers. So, you are wrong that this sort of thing won't happen, which was your original argument. Its happening now and its being done in a way that does not leave the users identity open to attack as with penet model.

Python

"Operation Foot Bullet"
That comment kicks serious ... umm, bottoms.

Its ripped from Operation Clambake which flames the scientologists.

:-)
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The original story on c't can be found here, mentioning the ongoing legal problems in Germany as well as the Hamburg opening. Executive Software is a member of the World Institute of Scientology Enterprises. Of course they believe that their way is the best: what group doesn't? The group's methods allow only members who follow their business philosophy, which is based on what they called Hubbard's 'religious' texts. Their purpose is to spread the use of their business practices/religious beliefs; hence their licensing of WISE consultants, who must be approved by the organization.

The homepage of their CEO says about as much; that his method of practicing business is to incorporate Scientology. Thus, anyone working for him must also use the same beliefs and methods.

Does this satisfy? Theres also this place, but I recognize a serious logical flaw in taking your evidence from a vehemently anti-scientologist source; let them hang themselves by their own words.

Scientology vs the Net

Scientology's lies

Operation Clambake

Sure all of these sites are opinionated and maybe even slightly propogandish, but they all have links to court cases, documents and accounts. And these are just the first three non-scientology sites found by a quick search on Google. The AC just didn't want to have to do your homework for you.

W

Well, I tried to defend my position in a reasonable manner, despite the out right bigotry and name calling from people who are supposed to be educated and intelligent. I am not a shill, I am just someone contributing my view.

And I don't believe you, nonetheless, especially since you are posting as an Anonymous. Anonymous trolls defending CoS but not coming up with details when asked for it have been a standard technique on alt.religion.scientology.

Anyone reading Scientology's documents and documented statements by CoS officials will see that what you said contradicts Scientology's official standpoint.

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You are following right along with your government's views and condoning the discrimination against a (harmeless) religion all because of one person.

Harmless !!?! I suggest your read up a few posts and follow FFFish's links. Just in case that's to difficult try this one... Scientology

How can you compare a hate group to Scientology? I don't know that much about it but from what I know it's harmless.

You admit you know nothing yet insist that they're harmless? Damn Sheeple...Find me One religion that hasn't committed atrocities in the name of "God"(whoever that might be to them) and I'll eat my CPU.

Their beliefs do not include ethics and/or morals of any sort that you would recognize

The whole religion is based on L. Ron Hubbard's failed science fiction writings. The premise is that your body is inhabited by evil demons banished to earth millions of years ago and you must give the $cientologists millions of dollars in order to help you through various 'levels' of spiritual development where you eventually rid yourself of these demons. L. Ron Hubbard was a stupid, failed science fiction writer, but evidently he was a bullshit artist on par with Bill Gates and Adolf Hitler, because now this whole bullshit religion has flourished. Read more http://www.xenu.net.

-jerdenn