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Why? 'cos it's cool to bash those corporate robots at Microsoft? 'cos Microsoft isn't rolling out perfect software like ? 'cos you once had a bad experience with a MS product and it "ruined your life"? 'cos (oh gosh, can't believe I'm gonna say this...) MS are a commercial entity and are looking to make money...

I'm not seeking to defend MS, but really slashdotters - stop being such caricatures!

I can't imagine why anybody would bother to hack Krugman's or Olbermann's accounts. It's not like you could expose them to be Democratic party hacks, we already know that they are. And if they actually knew much about politics or economics or had significant insider information, they wouldn't be constantly wrong. Trump and the Republicans don't consider these "liberals" adversaries, they consider them a gift from heaven: they couldn't hope for better caricatures of the Democrats and progressives.

The number of children that die due to firearm accidents is statistically insignificant. "BUT THINK OF THE CHILDREN" is the emotional and irrational side of this argument.

The rational side realizes that spending large amounts of time, effort, and money to pass laws that will have no affect on child death rates is not worth it. Not only is it not worth it, laws that turn innocent people into criminals for no reason whatsoever, or WORSE, bringing charges against grieving parents, is a phenomenally bad idea.

And yet here you are, with your emotional and irrational argument, and nothing to show for it except some caricature of gun owners that obviously came from political cartoon propaganda.

People that fight for gun rights fight for freedom, and fight against unnecessary government intrusion into the lives of citizens. People that favor gun control ignore statistics, ignore current gun law, and ignore reality. Nearly all pro-gun control arguments are based in emotion and irrational thinking.

Milo is a caricature of everything the alt-right says the left says the right hates. Hell I didn't even know he was Jewish until Bannon came under fire and he came out as "Hey look, I'm a Jew! He's not anti-Semitic".

I mean you have a flamboyant gay, Jewish man that loudly proclaims how much he enjoys large black men being the figure head for a large swath of single white males. For a lot of his followers I wouldn't be surprised if he was the token [adjective] that proved they weren't racist/homophobic/anti-Semite. "I can't be a racist hoomphobe. I follow this guy on Twitter".

That's essentially my point. /Either/ what he's saying is worth discussing on its own merits, /or/ he's already established as not worth discussing in isolation and thus this is not news. Instead, what's happening is that we're just driving in a story of "Hey, we don't like this guy, hate him with us as we twist everything he says into its worst caricature." Regardless of how anyone feels about the guy, this shouldn't be on Slashdot. I don't need to be told what to think, especially if I already agree where it's going, but that's tangential.

Hahaha holy shit... You're a caricature of the hypocritical liberal elitist everyone said exists, but I didn't believe.

How wrong I was. Wow. You're a fucking moron.

While I think there would have been a lot of angry talk, and maybe street protests, I wouldn't expect to see Trump supporters rioting and destroying property if he had lost. I would expect legal challenges over voting issues, and a lot of online vitriol, but that's about it. In fact I would expect Donald Trump to publicly call for an end to any violence that may have happened following his defeat.

And, for the record, I also have grown disgusted with both major parties. I voted Green Party this year, just like in 2012, but am really a small-el libertarian. Mainly, I just get annoyed over these discussions where so many people assume conservatives actually are like the caricatures the left makes them out to be. In effect they are calling people I know violent racists, and after a while it pisses me off.

Who gives a flying shit what HRC-the-hasbeen wants?

Her political power came from access and her ongoing connection to power.

After two failed runs at the presidency - including a loss to the biggest caricature on the planet - I can't imagine Qatar is going to be sending her and Billy $1 million dollar birthday presents. Nor will her brother "pick up" any other gold-mining concessions.

In fact, if the Clinton Foundation is allowed to just quietly close its doors and go away without being prosecuted for RICO crimes, that's about the most she can hope for.

She's done.

Bernie couldn't turn out minorities and could be easily caricatured as out of tune with the majority of America. It would be like nominating Ted Cruz as a Republican. He plays well with a certain demo that wears their underwear too tight, but nowhere else.

I'm not going to do your research for you, but there is lots to discover in the primary returns with Clinton. Bernie would have been trounced in the general which is why no one seriously considered him as a nominee.

Bernie wouldn't have done better than Hillary. Probably much worse, regardless of Trump's warts. Or, to put it differently, Bernie might have put some of the Midwest states out of reach, but would have made sure that Trump got a lot more votes in the South - west or east. He is easy to caricature as a useful idiot, a loon, and he would have been.

Now, we can't have a religious test for entry (obviously) but it is horrible, horrible leftist masochism to continue to imply that the floodgates should be opened for all countries equally.

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Keep the caricatures in check.

Yeah, okay.

And stop pretending that the biggest issue right now is that the fascists are taking over. The large majority of my extended family voted Trump, even though most of them voted Obama not once, but twice. And most of them live in a swing state.

That's a shame. I hope they don't get what they just demanded.

Partly because, as a liberal, I am not looking forward to having to clean up after they make an even bigger mess of their lives. But also, as a liberal, I really don't want to see people suffer in the first place.

You say that Trump is a caricature of the worst stereotypes...aggressive, irrational, uneducated, greedy, and violently racist...

Those can be used to describe Hilary as well - including racist - and you can add the adjectives corrupt, immoral, criminal, and incompetent.

No one should be happy with this election. The two candidates put forward by their respective parties were both awful. I wasn't planning on voting; I planned on abstaining, but my wife begged me to vote. Ultimately, I voted for Trump because he can't do WORSE than Obama or Hilary. He might do a terrible job, but he can't do worse, and to my knowledge, he's not a happy criminal whose family has anyone who airs their laundry killed.

I voted third-party instead of endorsing either Trump or Clinton.

You say that Trump is a caricature of the worst stereotypes...aggressive, irrational, uneducated, greedy, and violently racist...

Those can be used to describe Hilary as well - including racist - and you can add the adjectives corrupt, immoral, criminal, and incompetent.

No one should be happy with this election. The two candidates put forward by their respective parties were both awful. I wasn't planning on voting; I planned on abstaining, but my wife begged me to vote. Ultimately, I voted for Trump because he can't do WORSE than Obama or Hilary. He might do a terrible job, but he can't do worse, and to my knowledge, he's not a happy criminal whose family has anyone who airs their laundry killed.

BYes, the American people have spoken, they are happy to be represented by someone who is a caricature of the worst American stereotypes, aggressive, irrational, uneducated,greedy and violently racist and mysogynistic.
Frankly I predict a complete disaster in a years time when he has done nothing he has promised
The movie Idiocracy is closer than ever to truth .
One the plus side, Back To The Future predicted a Cubs win and Biff for president, they were just one year out.
Make no mistake this a continuation of a rise towards facism, from a greedy people who use far more of the worlds resources and have no intention of sharing.
Lee Harvey, where are you when we need you?

Except a gaff is not a policy position. His "racism" boils down to anti-immigration from Mexico and anti-immigration from Muslim Nations.

Now, we can't have a religious test for entry (obviously) but it is horrible, horrible leftist masochism to continue to imply that the floodgates should be opened for all countries equally. Stockholm had become the rape capital of Europe even before the Syrian refugee crisis ballooned, largely on the backs of the massive numbers of third world and largely Muslim (and yes that does matter, because Islam correlates to misogyny even more than Christianity does) people they had invited in. Trump is a either a psychopath or a moron (I tend to think the latter) about this, but the left didn't give us a good, strong, loud alternative.

His other anti-racism thing is strongly "supporting" the police. A pretty obnoxious thing to do, given the need for reform in this country. But still... not really the same as proposing racist legislation. Not really the same, when you think about it. If you're honest with yourself.

Keep the caricatures in check. Keep it positive. Reform the left. Help forge an alt-left. Stop pretending the main problem stems from gaffes. Stop pretending the main problem is that women from decades ago are suddenly making accusations (didn't everyone get sick of this like, 15-20 years ago? On the left in particular??)

And stop pretending that the biggest issue right now is that the fascists are taking over. The large majority of my extended family voted Trump, even though most of them voted Obama not once, but twice. And most of them live in a swing state.

After Brexit, racist and xenophobic attacks went up dramatically

So say your police, who are (very unfortunately) not to be trusted. Go look at their reaction to the Rotherham child rapes or Undercover Mosque. Your policing by consent philosophies, so wonderful in principle (and no, I don't excuse the current state of American policing, not in the slightest), have long ago turned sour resulted in your police forces forming alliances with some of the vilest segments of your society. (No, I don't mean "the Musims"; I mean, "the Islamists" and "the criminals, or at least the ones who can at least keep shit quiet and orderly.")

Keep on pretending that this is about fascio-sexist-racism at your peril. I mean fuck,, two thirds of the women in my family voted for Trump (and they all voted for Obama. Twice.)

If the racists are emboldened by Trump, it will be a side effect. (As it was in Brexit, if indeed the reports are accurate.) Harp on these side effects at your own peril. People very much do not like sensible conversations about immigration and global jihadism being turned into this stupid leftist caricature every damn it.

Democracy has failed,

No, people like you have failed us. You've failed the dialog. Your self-flagellating hyperbole seemed pretty spot in some of those dark Bush II years, but it's turned into one big anti-intellectual (not to mention anti-American / anti-West) joke now. Not that Trump is in any way some sort of alternative to the thinking and nuanced person; of course he wasn't. But he was easily, easily stoppable. You had a thousand chances, but you blew it all with your "orange Hitler", "move to Canada", "Democracy is broken" bullshit.

And you're still doing it.

Seriously, the only people calling for that, are the caricatures that exist solely in your head.
Reality is far different.

Turkey is not an Arabic nation.

A fair point.

Saudi Arabia took a long time to accept even the 100k, and that's a drop in the bucket compared to what Europe is taking. It's more than what we're taking, true, but at the end of the day America and Europe are proposing to take both moderates and extremists out of the Arabic-speaking parts of the Middle East.

Geographic reality suggests that Arab nations are going to take a lot of refugees. I think a lot of the reason they're so hesitant to officially accept them is the moment they agree to accept some everyone else will come there.

As for Europe, again geographic reality suggests they're getting a ton, and they don't have a lot of choice as to the composition.

The US on the other hand is taking in a very tiny number by comparison, and they get to choose the cream of the crop. In Canada we've taken 25k and had absolutely no problem.

I'm saying that dissecting the words of a man who is known to blurt out dumb shit gets old and isn't a good indicator of his political leanings. He leans pro-police and anti-immigration. You caricature these positions as "racist" at your (and the nation's) own peril.

That's why you need to rely on tone and subtext.

Donald Trump does not strike me, in any way, as a person with racist leanings. He's merely a demagogue and a populist and an airhead, and not very long ago he was a registered Democrat.

I don't know how racist he is personally, though he does have a long history of racially questionable statements and actions.

No no.... argh. I don't feel like repeating myself here. The point is that he's not engaged in any overt campaign of "othering". If he were keeping Latinos at arms length in all areas then you might have a slightly more reasonable case for parsing his comments about the "Mexican" judge as racist.

Again, subtext. Notice how blacks and latinos are always "the blacks" and "the latinos"? That's because blacks and latinos are not part of his group.

Illegal immigration thing is really only an issue when it's non-whites, and even if he doesn't directly say racist things he does nothing to contradict or restrain his supporters who do.

Yes, more or less. According to that logic. I already said (and you quoted where I said it) that I think this logic isn't reasonable, but by itself it's not racist. It's just dumb. Your case against Trump as a dumb person is much, much stronger than your case against him as a racist. Play to your strengths, damnit.

Do you think Trump would agree with you about the white judge and the black panther? I'd be shocked if he did.

Do you want to call that racism or stupidity him for not realizing he's holding different races to different standards?

Do black people commit more crimes per capita or are police just more likely to arrest them?

Both. It's tricky but they're measurable. (and poverty may play a role)

The second aspect doesn't even require racism on the part of cops. Police accountability is extremely poor,

Yes, yes yes yes. Yes. YES. That was my entire point. Effective solutions involve increasing accountability--body cams, better body cams (none of this "falling off" / "wasn't working" bullshit), better body cam policies (to make it harder for police to say it wasn't working or they forgot to turn it back on), and indictment reform. I would even go beyond indictment reform and advocate some form of private prosecution in this country, though there are all kinds of tricky areas there and there will be a tremendous amount of opposition from the establishment.

But the reason such a bad situation is allowed to persist is the typical victim is black and not deemed important. Hence the insistence that black lives matter.

As a nation of 30 million Saudi Arabia has already accepted 100k [wikipedia.org]. Sure they could do more, especially considering they're the source of the whabbism driving ISIS, but it's not true that Arab nations aren't accepting refugees. Sure there's a few holdouts but many, especially Turkey, are doing a lot.

Turkey is not an Arabic nation. They don't speak the same language (except some as a second language primarily for reading the "original" Qu'ran) or ethnically identify with Arabs, excepting any pan-Islamic movements that might be popular over there.

Saudi Arabia took a long time to accept even the 100k, and that's a drop in the bucket compared to what Europe is taking. It's more than what we're taking, true, but at the end of the day America and Europe are proposing to take both moderates and extremists out of the Arabic-speaking parts of the Middle East. If we're taking out millions of moderates, then we're giving the crazies the upper hand. If we're taking out the extremists, we're increasing the odds/prevalence of terrorist attacks, which over time will only embolden the right and far right.

There are ways to help these people flee the war zone that avoid these dire risks. I say we focus on those ways, and we worry about creating some kind of global super duper pluralistic multicultural utopia much later... after Islamists no longer have multiple strong seats of power.

On the one hand you're using a careful literal parsing to defend Trump from charges of racism. At the same time you're claiming he can't be called racist based on his words, because can't take Trump's words seriously.

I'm saying that dissecting the words of a man who is known to blurt out dumb shit gets old and isn't a good indicator of his political leanings. He leans pro-police and anti-immigration. You caricature these positions as "racist" at your (and the nation's) own peril. I would've thought that the Brexit result (something that is a hundred times more dangerous to them than Trump is to us) would've made this clear enough... people are getting tired of having the conversation be hijacked and turned into a finger-pointing anti-racism game. There are plenty of intellectually honest ways to rebut his statements about supporting the police or his ridiculous "wall".

Donald Trump does not strike me, in any way, as a person with racist leanings. He's merely a demagogue and a populist and an airhead, and not very long ago he was a registered Democrat.

Which is basically saying "I can't be racist! I have black friends!" (I can explain why this argument is false).

No no.... argh. I don't feel like repeating myself here. The point is that he's not engaged in any overt campaign of "othering". If he were keeping Latinos at arms length in all areas then you might have a slightly more reasonable case for parsing his comments about the "Mexican" judge as racist.

So according to logic a Black Panther couldn't be judged by a white judge. Or an accused rapist judged by a female.

Yes, more or less. According to that logic. I already said (and you quoted where I said it) that I think this logic isn't reasonable, but by itself it's not racist. It's just dumb. Your case against Trump as a dumb person is much, much stronger than your case against him as a racist. Play to your strengths, damnit.

There are two aspects where race is important. Both white and black cops can be racist against black civilians, that's actually well established research wise.

I wouldn't doubt it, but if you'll notice I'm talking about importance regarding effective solutions. Non-explicit bias is extremely hard to stamp out (and it's also extremely hard to measure the precise magnitude of that bias. Do black people commit more crimes per capita or are police just more likely to arrest them? Adjusting for poverty makes sense, but what other fac

Ehehehe. The Jester is a creation of US apparat, in my opinion. He's a propaganda figure to emulate. Politically correct, lovable rascal, protecting interests of the corporations. The patriotism he displays is how to say it gently... incompatible with the hacker ethos. Not a true Scotsman!

Using operational capabilities designed against actual threats to swat flies is counterproductive. Removing Jester would send a signal that they are incompetent at what they do? It's like USA authorizing a drone strike on Pavlik Morozov, or Hamburglar. You cant kill a cartoon caricature, lol.

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavlik_Morozov