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Shut up you liberal scum! How is our economy going to make it out of this recession if people "save"? Burn all the energy you can! Be wasteful! Spend more!

You and your rational approach crap! This "warming" and "climate change" crap are all godless liberal lies, besides Jesus is going to come save us before anything like that could happen anyways. If people start "saving" or "being green" our economy might slow down, rich people might stop getting richer and then how is Jesus supposed to know who to save!?

I would not be surprised if some of them start showing up in Western China.

And who wouldn't?

You'd liberate East Turkistan, Tibet, from those "murderous godless chinks".

Then the US funding Iran makes sense. Iran makes peace with its arab neighbours, one way or another, to fight off the new imperialist forces, the Chinese. The US pulling out of Iraq makes this perfect timing, Iraq is destabilised and falls to Al Qaeda or Iran's hands. US gets a pretext to occupy Saudi soil.

Now Iran is the US's proxy. Just in time to fight the chinese and the russians.

At the same time we'll be seeing the rebirth of the soviet union / russian empire. One country is already there. Next will be the other Turkic states, and then Ukraine, mother russia will teach them a lesson. Belrussia wants to come back, the baltics are an easy gain, and who's going to protect them, really? And even if NATO can keep the russians at bay (I'm sure they will, I doubt russia has the balls even now to challenge NATO for just a few eastern european states) it doesn't matter because now they've reconstructed the southern front. They no longer will have NATO in their backyard.

And then world is watching Iran, Russia, and Israel. Just as, hm, how many people now? 3 people predicted and have been saying for a long time.

tl;dr: Good night sweet prince.

But at some point the Islamic side will wake up and see just how godless the Chinese can be, and the Chinese will wake up and see just how unsensibly non-pragmatic the Islamic fundamentalists can be, and things will become "interesting", in the Confucian sense.

It isn't reported much, but there ARE Islamic bombings in China already...

re: PREEMINENT

I expect to see the political fallout from this within the next 10-20 years, assuming there isn't fallout of a more physical nature before then. There is something of an unholy alliance between China and the Islamic world, IMHO driven by pragmatism on China's part, and "enemy of my enemy is my friend" on the Islamic part. But at some point the Islamic side will wake up and see just how godless the Chinese can be, and the Chinese will wake up and see just how unsensibly non-pragmatic the Islamic fundamentalists can be, and things will become "interesting", in the Confucian sense.

Doesn't seem that clear to cut me, however it seems it can be interpreted either way. I've always thought of atheism as being "there is no God" and agnosticism as being "I don't know".

$ dict atheism
3 definitions found

From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 [gcide]:

Atheism \A"the*ism\, n. [Cf. F. ath['e]isme. See {Atheist}.]
1. The disbelief or denial of the existence of a God, or supreme intelligent Being. [1913 Webster]
2. Godlessness. [1913 Webster]

From WordNet (r) 2.0 [wn]:

atheism
n 1: the doctrine or belief that there is no God [syn: godlessness] [ant: theism]
2: a lack of belief in the existence of God or gods

(The third "definition" was Moby Thesaurus II, which isn't really relevant.)

Etymologically speaking atheism means godless (in Greek: a (privative) theos). etymologically speaking the word atheism/athos doesn't condemn the belief in a spirit (ie soul, ether, whatever) and thus spirituality. But the modern meaning is a bit more extreme these days.

Yes, how dare they use a scale that's rigidly defined in terms of kelvin! Godless metric communists!

Does 160 degrees Rankine make you happier?

My questiosn is, why is war between Russia and Georgia any of our damned business, anyway?

As always, oil.
The big BTC (Baku-Tblisi-Ceyhan) pipeline is a way to get oil to the West without dealing with Russians, and the pipeline is 13% owned by US interests.

Plus, of course, Russians are the traditional enemy, which the US is against, no matter what. Remember how we protested so heavily against the invasion in Afghanistan, and supported the poor oppressed Taliban in their noble fight against the godless commies? No? People tend to forget...

You might have a point, but I'd rather think that mankind has more compassion than that. We DO have a moral obligation to help the members of our community IMO. It's not a game show. It's not a game. That has fsck all to do with religion or god(s).

If you don't have it in your heart to be humane, the godless and the god fearing will both want your heart ripped out. The trouble with leaving such questions to god(s) is that there is no god, and you have failed in your duty to your community and to mankind in general. So, no, I will not leave it to the god(s) to figure out. We must be watchful of what man will do or suffer the consequences of waiting for the god(s) to sort it out.

Government systems are similar to computer systems in many ways.

Its a problem of scalability and fault tolerance. Scale too large and the government is more susceptible to corruption and monopoly-style abuse...(wink)

A failed government only harms the people who let it fail and to some degree other nations; the more centralized the more damage caused (which combined with the scalability problem means it will also fail more often.)

As far as finding enemies-- humans are great at finding 'outsiders' to dehumanize even if the distinction is completely fictional. There are too many people and too far apart to ever counter it (even then that isn't a full solution.)

A world of godless CLONES would break into groups and find/invent things to fight about.

Remember, beating the police up so much that they shit out their bones is something completely natural; the real harm comes from the hidden consensual sex scene. My child will probably start demonically masturbating by... oh... age 13, because of your horrid game. You, Rockstar, owe my child a second chance of not becoming one of those godless heathens. I'll shut up with a few mil.

Was added during the cold war as some way of segregating the US from the "godless" communists.

I'm talking about modern American Leftist values; i.e., those of the people supporting what they hoped Obama would be all about, (until the FISA thing, anyway).

North Korea is communist. They are communist and have a dictatorship because under communism and even socialism, the government, acting as the agent of the people, ultimately decides what property should be disposed of and in what way. This is entirely what you believe and that you choose to ignore the consequence of your own failed ideology only proves how mind boggingly ignorant you really are. You know why Obama flipped on FISA, why Democrats don't -really- do anything to try and stop all of this government wiretapping you are so appalled by? It's because the core believers in that party want all the power for themselves and they want to end private property and to use the government to steal it, just like all good godless commies do. You really, really believe, that liberal leaders push the environment because they care about nature? They are doing it because its just another excuse to get their hands on more loot. That's why you see carbon taxes, government inspections, all on the plate - it's all about gathering up more power for themselves, and they've got sheeple like you believing that, if you give them power, you'll somehow get something back...

and, what is it that you've gotten back, in all of these years of supporting the American Left, what has anyone in the left wing gotten back in 1960? That's the most amazing part - year after year, african americans pull the lever for the left wing and to this day, all of the major african american population centers in the USA are ghettos, and will be ghettos, until they adopt Republican values of investment, capitalism, freedom and individual responsibility.

Nope, you're wrong again. I explained it a couple of times in a manner whic

Your explanation is worthless. Again, the guy steals the passwords, and you send in the police ruin his life, and make the victims suffer more. I send in a couple of goons, waterboard the guy, get the password, he walks, and the victims are up in rolling in a matter of minutes. You can't argue that my solution isn't worse, so you set up an easily refuted strawman of a slippery slope argument which flounders even in self contradiction before you even finish your own posts.

Don't forget us godless Canadians.

We've made it this far without thinking about you, we're not about to change now.

Don't forget us godless Canadians. Although I must say that I have no idea why I would want to keep the poor people at a distance. Can you explain that to me please?

My case is that science should be taught as science. And I think the Catholic Church knows it is easily to hold an institution up to ridicule for refusing to consider observable events, as their persecution of Copernicus and their inquisition of Galileo have suffered under the test of time.

My comment about the Pope was to counter a number of comments in the forum suggesting that the Catholic Church are in league with the Southern Baptist Convention with regard to science.

Oh, by the way. Today, 11 June, is the anniversary of Congress passing a bill to place the motto "In God We Trust" on our currency. This happened in 1955. But too often the Bible thumpers point to this as defining the United States as a "Christian" nation. The reason why Congress took this step was to oppose "godless Communism" -- not to, somehow, redefine how religion instructs our government. Of course, I would have opposed that then knowing how it would be misinterpreted and understanding that it was proposed by a bunch of fearmongering witless ninnies intent on promulgating a red scare.

If our legislatures want to do something for schools, they should fund them better.

I've been a long time reader here but never posted until now. My tolerance for intolerance has reached a critical mass with this stuff. I've grown pretty weary of supposedly "open-minded" and "tolerant" individuals from both camps spewing their venom on others.

I am a scientist. I have been a passionate student of the hard sciences (physics, chemistry, astronomy, etc) all my life. I am an engineer by profession, trade and training. I absolutely devour all the science television programming, scientific literature, etc. I can get. I am also very much a "fundamentalist" Christian, what most of you guys would call an "idiot" or a "nut job" or a "wacko".

My personal view of all of these types of debates is that science and faith are not mutually exclusive. Both are dedicated to the pursuit of truth. One studies the wonders of the Creation and the other the wonders of the Creator. My belief in science is not so small as to not be open to all possibilities not disproven. My faith in my Creator is not so shaky as to not withstand critical thinking.

People of faith are often attacked as "ignorant" or "uneducated" or "bumpkins" or "fundamentalists" and "zealots" but I would like to put forward the observation that many of those applying those labels are most often just as zealous in defense of their favorite theories, philosophies, etc. I think we have just as many Churches of Darwinian Evolution and Secular Cosmology as we do Roman Catholic, Baptist, Episcopal, Whatever Churches. I am not a Christian because I have been "indoctrinated" or "brain-washed". I have read. I have studied. I have questioned. I remain still a scientist AND a Christian.

I wish that as educated, self-proclaimed men and women of intelligence we could realize that open-minded discourse and critical thinking are vital to healthy science and healthy faith and, indeed, a healthy society. I wish we could just stop applying labels and displaying our collective ignorance by bashing others with blanket statements and insults. I no more believe that all people of faith are "ignorant idiots" than I believe that all scientists are "deluded Godless heathens". The universe is a magnificently beautiful, ordered, expansive and complex place. Just because we don't yet, in our limited understanding, see how it all fits together doesn't mean that it doesn't. I think we could get to that fuller understanding a lot quicker if we spent less time in low-brow bickering and hate-mongering (on both sides) and more time in the pursuit of a holistic understanding of that beautiful universe.

Just my $.02. Flame away.

This is yet the second time i'm mentioning slashdot helped bury this.

I'm an old school moderate, which, since 1994, means I'm "OMG PINKO LEFTIST GODLESS COMMIE ENEMY OF THE STATE", and I sacrificed karma by the pana-max shipfull pointing this out.

All to no avail, the leftist version of the moronic bushite scum we love to hate descended upon my posts and anyone who dared to agree with my assertions this man should be examined under the same scepticism as any other beltway sellout with zealous fury, "-1 troll" mods in hand.

If you hate the irrational blindness of bush supporters, then mod someone calling for skepticism of Obama, you are a hypocrite.

(Good grief, they're right; the comment box in this area of Slashdot really is tiny)

As one who has regularly flown transatlantic to/from both US airports and Toronto and has never been tasered yet (despite probably being a godless heathen - I even have a Russian visa in my passport) I frankly recommend flying from the US. Toronto airport was not one of my favourite experiences last time round. Weight-limit and hand baggage nazis, for one thing, and they picked me for extra screening, too. There's nothing particularly wrong with Pearson Int, but I certainly wouldn't say it was a better experience than flying out of New York or Chicago.

Posted anonymously so as not to undo moderations.

Send them pre-charged.

When kids use up the battery, they can mail the laptops back to the first world where they will be recharged and returned to the kids - for a small fee naturally.
Its not our fault they are godless, electricityless lazy savages.
We are trying to HELP here, hello! They could get off their asses and help us help them.

You know... like... put those sockets on the walls of their huts so they could recharge the laptops themselves.
I mean... how hard can it be. You like.. need a screwdriver and thats about it...

BTW and FYI - All my posts in this thread were meant as sarcastic jokes. Since someone already branded me insightful, I find I might need to mention that.