You can tell me with a straight face that 1000x1000 is closer to 1x1 than 1415x1415?
The difference is you are arguing that you compare with the difference between pixel counts. My point is that the difference (using subtraction instead of ratios) between pixel counts doesn't make sense, my example was an attempt to prove that.
"It is 320x200, which, as you seem to need to have explicitly pointed out to you, is closer to 64x48 than 640x480"
I feel even dumber now. Do you realize that in comparison that has "64x48" as being closer, the resolution 1x1 is closer to 320x200 than 640x480 is. Your reasoning doesn't make sense.
Look at it this way. 640x480 is about 5 times bigger (surface area) than 320x200. Whereas the resolution 320x200 is 20 times larger than 64x48. 320x200 is closer in surface area to 640x480 than it is 64x48.
Incidentally, by your reasoning 1000x1000 is closer to 1x1 than it is to 1415x1415. Does that seem correct to you just thinking intuitively?
"No! Paying them is their employer's responsibility, not mine. No one is forcing them to do the job. If they don't like the salary, they should find a better paid job. I'll tip if they've given good service, but 15% is way over the top"
15% IS WHAT EVERYONE ELSE DOES! Absolutely it is your right not to tip, but don't get pissy when you get bad service next time.
The real beauty of this is that if I waited on you and gave you good service. I'm guessing you would tip around 5-10% since 15% is "way over the top" The next time I might give you shitty service. The really great thing is that I work very hard for my money and am well liked and respected by my managers and my coworkers, so even if you whined to the manager about my poor service, it wouldn't affect me at all.
Absolutely. You are totally and completely justified in a different view of the system. Now if you come into my restaurant and act like a know it all who doesn't tip, then I will suddenly become incompetent and forget to get your drink refills or anything else.
I've waited tables for 3 years. I used to be professional at 100% of my tables. Now I'm professional at 95% of my tables, and save up all my apathy for you. It is an incentive based system. If you want to be a tight ass and not tip, that is fine, but don't expect to get the service for free.
ps. pizza delivery drivers make lower than minimum wage. Tipping is a neccessity.
And the flip side is that I have waited on plenty of tables where I was on top of refills and gave customers great service, only to receive a 5-8% tip.
If you don't like the way the US works, move. If you want to get good service in a restaurant tip. If anything encourages servers to be apathetic it's tight asses like you who resent having to tip.
Actually, what you can't see in the screen shots is that pixel and texture popping are eliminated with 3dfx's FSAA implementation, while they still exist on nVidia's cards. I think you are misinterpreting what Anand said, but i'm not sure. I have heard from multiple sources that nVidia's max FSAA has a similar performance hit to 3dfx's 4xFSAA, but only offers an approximation of the 3dfx's 2 sample. I have a Voodoo5 and I can say that the FSAA is truly awesome, especially in flight sims. Part of the reason why the GTS has been declared the winner and 3dfx has been declared dead is because everyone is benchmarking quake3.
The GTS is a good card and has advantages over the V5, but I haven't heard anyone who has looked at both say the FSAA implementations are comparable. I do think that FSAA is just on the brink right now tho, true frame rate junkies won't be able to live with the performance hit of FSAA, but I can and I can't play without it anymore.
Here is a quote I did find from Anand:
3dfx definitely has the best 2 sample FSAA setting out of the bunch
I'm not trying to set off a video card holy war here, I just think that people in general underestimate the Voodoo5.
Actually it is effectively more than 32 megs of ram, as only the texture memory is duplicated, not the framebuffer. And I wouldn't say the GeForce 2 outperforms the Voodoo5 across the board. FSAA isn't just some marketting mumbo jumbo, it is a real feature that many people happen to like a lot, and the V5 blows away the GF2 in FSAA visual quality and does it faster.
Yes RAMBUS sucks, but maximizing profits and minimizing risks isn't such a bad thing. What if they didn't do that, and half the memory manufacturers went bankrupt. Goodbye cheap ram.
I guess, but somehow I doubt that 100 dollars will be a big decider for most would be buyers of these video cards. If you are willing to spend 500 dollars for a cutting edge solution, why not pay 600? Neither card is going to hold their value very well. If the prices were reversed would everyone be singing the praises of the V5 6000? Somehow I doubt it.
Maybe linux isn't the operating system for you then. There are a lot of good things about linux, but flawless hardware support isn't one of them, and may never happen.
You sound like a pissed off customer, shaking his hand at the company. The company that you should be mad at is the one who made your video card. It's their hardware, their drivers. Oh, some nice soul decided to write a driver for your hardware, for no money...hmmm...maybe you shouldn't bitch then.
Also, although I am a newbie to linux, I would suspect the support for low end hardware is a lot better than for high end hardware, simply because two different kinds of hardware support exists:
1) from the manufacturer
2) from nice souls
nice souls are less likely to have access to thousand dollar video cards, and have the time to write a driver for them.
I believe you are mistaken about the performance numbers you are looking at. The benchmarks that I've seen only show the new P3 (coppermines) beating the new athlons (thunderbirds) when the P3 is coupled with rambus. So If you are willing to pay more for the P3 chip, and 250 dollars _extra_ for a 128 meg stick of rdram you can have a system that is the same Mhz, and faster in some benchmarks. Of course you could just buy a faster athlon with that money too. The true comparison is in performance for the buck, which the athlon still leads. Although the P3 has surprised many, and it really isn't a bad choice at the lower speed grades.
Of course no one has a right to live over someone else. But you can't expect people to put themselves at higher risk in order to facilitate a change for the better, which isn't likely to come without government intervention or a quadrupling in gas price.
I understand not liking SUVs, buy my dad got one not too long ago, and I have to say it's pretty nice. Does he go offroad in it? nope. He does make use of the extra space, though.
My guess is that people who don't like SUVs because they are wasteful, probably just plain don't like them for other reasons too. My dad himself has been very conscientious, buying only cars that had very good gas mileage, before now. But now that his needs have changed and he has a little bit more money, he's changed his tune.
I'd like to add that gas isn't really that much more expensive if you put some perspective on it. We are just spoiled so everyone is complaining. Has anyone in the US experienced even a doubling in price? I'm sure if the price went up to 5 or 10 dollars per gallon for a couple years, the demand would become elastic. I know my gas consumption would go way down.
"-more hypocritical (using taxes on people with poor math skills to pay for education?)"
Common people understand that the odds of winning are very low. They enjoy playing the game and the chance of winning. It's a different approach, or philosophy if you will, not poor math skills.
Standardizing the interface is a nice idea, but when new a mb is only a 100 dollars, I just don't see the point. Why go to all that work and increased cost, when new motherboards are cheap? Besides, it would probably just make it harder to make newer and faster busses. On a side note, BX motherboards have had pretty good longevity. from the old 300 Mhz days to now. Not too bad. Yes it would be nice to have a standardized interface, but if our new P3s and Athlons were running through a bus interface designed in the 486 era, we would all be bitching.
Maybe he shouldn't include the quoted text. I don't know. I still feel like many times editors at Slashdot use the quoted text from a user as a cop out. They can take an opinion. Slap it up on the front page. Then when people cry foul, we get this lame response of "I didn't write it." That's fine and dandy, but they still put it up. Yes, I was the AC that you responded to.
Perhaps I should have marked my post "completely offtopic" I wasn't referring to IBM's mainframes or the ram doubling technology. Consumer video cards with ram to spare are here today, I have one. My 3dfx Voodoo5 video card has 64 megs of memory (incidently textures are stored twice, reducing the actual memory available, but increasing the bandwidth - during 3d operations). Surely when in the desktop we could put some of this spare memory to good use. Of course it would have to be returned when starting any application that needed full access to the video card for 3d graphics.
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You can tell me with a straight face that 1000x1000 is closer to 1x1 than 1415x1415?
The difference is you are arguing that you compare with the difference between pixel counts. My point is that the difference (using subtraction instead of ratios) between pixel counts doesn't make sense, my example was an attempt to prove that.
"It is 320x200, which, as you seem to need to have explicitly pointed out to you, is closer to 64x48 than 640x480"
I feel even dumber now. Do you realize that in comparison that has "64x48" as being closer, the resolution 1x1 is closer to 320x200 than 640x480 is. Your reasoning doesn't make sense.
Look at it this way. 640x480 is about 5 times bigger (surface area) than 320x200. Whereas the resolution 320x200 is 20 times larger than 64x48. 320x200 is closer in surface area to 640x480 than it is 64x48.
Incidentally, by your reasoning 1000x1000 is closer to 1x1 than it is to 1415x1415. Does that seem correct to you just thinking intuitively?
"It is 320x200, which, as you seem to need to have explicitly pointed out to you, is closer to 64x48 than 640x480."
I feel dumber for having read that.
Doesn't sound like you play 3d hardware-accelerated games, why do you care?
heh, you're right. that was my mistake, i should have realized that.
"No! Paying them is their employer's responsibility, not mine. No one is forcing them to do the job. If they don't like the salary, they should find a better paid job. I'll tip if they've given good service, but 15% is way over the top"
15% IS WHAT EVERYONE ELSE DOES! Absolutely it is your right not to tip, but don't get pissy when you get bad service next time.
The real beauty of this is that if I waited on you and gave you good service. I'm guessing you would tip around 5-10% since 15% is "way over the top" The next time I might give you shitty service. The really great thing is that I work very hard for my money and am well liked and respected by my managers and my coworkers, so even if you whined to the manager about my poor service, it wouldn't affect me at all.
Absolutely. You are totally and completely justified in a different view of the system. Now if you come into my restaurant and act like a know it all who doesn't tip, then I will suddenly become incompetent and forget to get your drink refills or anything else.
I've waited tables for 3 years. I used to be professional at 100% of my tables. Now I'm professional at 95% of my tables, and save up all my apathy for you. It is an incentive based system. If you want to be a tight ass and not tip, that is fine, but don't expect to get the service for free.
ps. pizza delivery drivers make lower than minimum wage. Tipping is a neccessity.
And the flip side is that I have waited on plenty of tables where I was on top of refills and gave customers great service, only to receive a 5-8% tip.
If you don't like the way the US works, move. If you want to get good service in a restaurant tip. If anything encourages servers to be apathetic it's tight asses like you who resent having to tip.
Actually, what you can't see in the screen shots is that pixel and texture popping are eliminated with 3dfx's FSAA implementation, while they still exist on nVidia's cards. I think you are misinterpreting what Anand said, but i'm not sure. I have heard from multiple sources that nVidia's max FSAA has a similar performance hit to 3dfx's 4xFSAA, but only offers an approximation of the 3dfx's 2 sample. I have a Voodoo5 and I can say that the FSAA is truly awesome, especially in flight sims. Part of the reason why the GTS has been declared the winner and 3dfx has been declared dead is because everyone is benchmarking quake3.
The GTS is a good card and has advantages over the V5, but I haven't heard anyone who has looked at both say the FSAA implementations are comparable. I do think that FSAA is just on the brink right now tho, true frame rate junkies won't be able to live with the performance hit of FSAA, but I can and I can't play without it anymore.
Here is a quote I did find from Anand:
3dfx definitely has the best 2 sample FSAA setting out of the bunch
I'm not trying to set off a video card holy war here, I just think that people in general underestimate the Voodoo5.
Actually it is effectively more than 32 megs of ram, as only the texture memory is duplicated, not the framebuffer. And I wouldn't say the GeForce 2 outperforms the Voodoo5 across the board. FSAA isn't just some marketting mumbo jumbo, it is a real feature that many people happen to like a lot, and the V5 blows away the GF2 in FSAA visual quality and does it faster.
Yes RAMBUS sucks, but maximizing profits and minimizing risks isn't such a bad thing. What if they didn't do that, and half the memory manufacturers went bankrupt. Goodbye cheap ram.
I guess, but somehow I doubt that 100 dollars will be a big decider for most would be buyers of these video cards. If you are willing to spend 500 dollars for a cutting edge solution, why not pay 600? Neither card is going to hold their value very well. If the prices were reversed would everyone be singing the praises of the V5 6000? Somehow I doubt it.
500 dollars is much less than 600?
Maybe linux isn't the operating system for you then. There are a lot of good things about linux, but flawless hardware support isn't one of them, and may never happen.
You sound like a pissed off customer, shaking his hand at the company. The company that you should be mad at is the one who made your video card. It's their hardware, their drivers. Oh, some nice soul decided to write a driver for your hardware, for no money...hmmm...maybe you shouldn't bitch then.
Also, although I am a newbie to linux, I would suspect the support for low end hardware is a lot better than for high end hardware, simply because two different kinds of hardware support exists:
1) from the manufacturer
2) from nice souls
nice souls are less likely to have access to thousand dollar video cards, and have the time to write a driver for them.
small note: 486 DX processors did have math coprocessors. the SX didn't.
I believe you are mistaken about the performance numbers you are looking at. The benchmarks that I've seen only show the new P3 (coppermines) beating the new athlons (thunderbirds) when the P3 is coupled with rambus. So If you are willing to pay more for the P3 chip, and 250 dollars _extra_ for a 128 meg stick of rdram you can have a system that is the same Mhz, and faster in some benchmarks. Of course you could just buy a faster athlon with that money too. The true comparison is in performance for the buck, which the athlon still leads. Although the P3 has surprised many, and it really isn't a bad choice at the lower speed grades.
Of course no one has a right to live over someone else. But you can't expect people to put themselves at higher risk in order to facilitate a change for the better, which isn't likely to come without government intervention or a quadrupling in gas price.
I understand not liking SUVs, buy my dad got one not too long ago, and I have to say it's pretty nice. Does he go offroad in it? nope. He does make use of the extra space, though.
My guess is that people who don't like SUVs because they are wasteful, probably just plain don't like them for other reasons too. My dad himself has been very conscientious, buying only cars that had very good gas mileage, before now. But now that his needs have changed and he has a little bit more money, he's changed his tune.
I'd like to add that gas isn't really that much more expensive if you put some perspective on it. We are just spoiled so everyone is complaining. Has anyone in the US experienced even a doubling in price? I'm sure if the price went up to 5 or 10 dollars per gallon for a couple years, the demand would become elastic. I know my gas consumption would go way down.
"-more hypocritical (using taxes on people with poor math skills to pay for education?)"
Common people understand that the odds of winning are very low. They enjoy playing the game and the chance of winning. It's a different approach, or philosophy if you will, not poor math skills.
Caught anyone interesting selling your email address to a spammer?
Standardizing the interface is a nice idea, but when new a mb is only a 100 dollars, I just don't see the point. Why go to all that work and increased cost, when new motherboards are cheap? Besides, it would probably just make it harder to make newer and faster busses. On a side note, BX motherboards have had pretty good longevity. from the old 300 Mhz days to now. Not too bad. Yes it would be nice to have a standardized interface, but if our new P3s and Athlons were running through a bus interface designed in the 486 era, we would all be bitching.
Maybe he shouldn't include the quoted text. I don't know. I still feel like many times editors at Slashdot use the quoted text from a user as a cop out. They can take an opinion. Slap it up on the front page. Then when people cry foul, we get this lame response of "I didn't write it." That's fine and dandy, but they still put it up. Yes, I was the AC that you responded to.
Perhaps I should have marked my post "completely offtopic" I wasn't referring to IBM's mainframes or the ram doubling technology. Consumer video cards with ram to spare are here today, I have one. My 3dfx Voodoo5 video card has 64 megs of memory (incidently textures are stored twice, reducing the actual memory available, but increasing the bandwidth - during 3d operations). Surely when in the desktop we could put some of this spare memory to good use. Of course it would have to be returned when starting any application that needed full access to the video card for 3d graphics.
and now for a third time: it would much faster than your hard drive!
doh!