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Dosemu v1.0 Released
Several people have noted that Dosemu has version 1.0 on their ftp servers. The comment that most people had was to test whether it could run Duke Nukem 3D *grin*.
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Too bad DOSEMU doesn't run on my alpha. I'm going to spend all tonight playing Commander Keen and Duke Nukem 2. BTW, if you want some classique DOS games, check out www.gangsters.org. They're the best for really old games. And I thought DOSEMU was dead!
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Fresh Meat!
Okay, this isn't really related to the release of DOSemu 1.0 (but maybe the new release will fix my problem?) But, has anyone had any luck getting Star Control 2 to work under DOSemu 0.97 or later? I seem to be having a keyboard problem, and I've done the obvious solutions of turning rawkeyboard on and hogthreshold to 0. Any ideas? Could it be that the AMD 486dx4-100 can't handle it? Shrug.
Nothing like using a rehash of a 30-year old OS to emulate a 20-year old OS.
Linux Community, thy name is creativity. Hats off to ya.
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
great, when is WINE hitting v1.0? :-) great work guys!
Finally! I might be able to play my old games, Leisure suit larry, King's Quest etc. I just love those old Sierra AGI games..
-SgtUnix.
Aaah, it takes me back to the time when I was about 14 years old, I had gotten my first computer, (it was a 486SX2 with 4MB) and I was using DOS as it was a REAL operating system. Sure, those other quiche eating wimps may use Windows 3.1, but I'm a real man (at 14, yeah right) who uses a REAL system. A CLI.
:)
:-)
I remember playing Doom, Doom ][, (always done with the backwards brackets) using some obscure phone program to dial my favorite BBS (it was called "Cyberia" -- how lame is that
I remember ridiculing edlin. I didn't think that it was possible to have an editor that was worse than edlin. Surely, edlin was the most pathetic program ever written. (Well, it wasn't, but I thought it was at the time. In all actuality, the most pathetic programs ever written were my early attempts at QBASIC)
And then all of the tricks shared with friends, like putting high-ascii characters in filenames so they couldn't be deleted by conventional means, (because you couldn't type the filename) and looking at virus source code trying to figure out what the hell "mov" and "cmp" stood for.
My progression went from Dos->windows->linux. It reminds me of a Pearl Jam song ("I'm Open") -- "Illusion was traded for Reality...no tradebacks. So this is what it's like to be an adult".
Dosemu is a total time machine for me. I use it every now and then to go back to my "roots" of computing. It's a personal thing, and probably isn't interesting to many people, but it's a holy shitload of fun for me.
-- Truth goes out the door when rumor comes innuendo. -- Groucho Marx
Dosemu is for linux a bad applicaton. To make emulate, taking ideas from people to write new linux program, when they can run old DOS program instead. Better seeing duke3d under linux, but not dosemu. Please agree.
Now if only we could have a Mainframe emulator... :-) --Ryan
Back in pre-1.0 days, I learned to like Linux and live without windows and dos. While I'm sure that dosemu and wine are a lot better than they were 4-5 years ago, I also suspect M$ is constantly coming out with new APIs and API extensions to create incompatibilities.
One has to wonder, if DOSEMU and WINE became fully functional, if we'd just see a repeat of what is happening with DeCSS and the MPAA. Maybe M$ could claim that their contorted API is in fact a copy protection scheme.
Also, big business has an incentive to let people slave away on free projects and then hit them hard as they are just hitting the market, so that the developers are fully demoralized. Helps convince others to go away.
Opinions?
ppl from the uk and the eu may be interested that www.linuxuk.co.uk had this story online several hours ago. /. so maybe you should drop by and see what we have to offer from time to time.
sometimes things can take a little long to reach
BTW I love DOSEmu and think all the guys that have worked on the project over the last 8 years really deserve a big hand, DOS had so much hidden away that recreating all the undocumented stuff can't have been easy.
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you mean complete emulation under linux! Great! Now I can run windows95 and their apps!
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This is the nice thing about emulators - so many classic pieces of software can be contained in a system. I hope that DosEmu will continue until you can run as amny pure DOS apps as possible.
So - what versions of windows can run on DosEmu?
However, I have a solution to this problem. Simply run the user-land version of Linux under Linux. Then, run the Archimedes version of Linux under the xarch emulator under the user-land Linux. Then, run an xterm over to the original Linux layer, in which you run dosemu.
You will now have a computer that will run at the "classic" 8086 speed, so that you can play all of your favourite games, without seeing just a horrible blur.
(It'll also allow you to extensively test all these emulators for bugs, whilst you're at it. :)
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
A newer, better dosemu is all well and good, but I've yet to find a good TRS-80 emulator - I don't think those neat old nostalgiaware games like "Crush, Crumble and Chomp" or "Voyage of the Valkyrie" are going to be ported to Linux any time soon...
*mope*
Dosemu has been working really good as far as emulation goes. It could be a little faster - but I'm not complaining there. I loved playing Carmageddon (the first one) under dosemu nearly 2 years ago. However one critical component still seems to be missing - sound!
The README.txt for DOSEMU v1.0 pl0.0 says:
" The sound driver is more or less likely to be broken at the moment.
Anyway, here are the settings you would need to emulate a SB-sound
card by passing the control to the Linux soundrivers."
Until sound is working game play is fairly limited.
Joseph Elwell.
Anyone have any idea what the limits of this thing is? Like, will it run really complicates setups like 3D-Studio and ACAD --- the older dos versions, of course.
Check out AbiWord.
"'Hey, you bot...'"
"IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR OPINION IS!!!"
Many third world countries still use DOS as it's operating system. Let's be real, not every country can afford $1200 systems to load $250 Operating Systems just to start rebuilding their old DOS apps written in Fox or Clipper or whatever...
..err...well...some people in third world countries still likes those old dos games...
Anyway, I still want to know how good has became sound and joystick support in 1.0
Congratulations dosemu team!
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Yes, a 30 years old OS, emulating a 20 years Old OS, that's far stable that those supposed 0 years old OS that perform worse than 10 years ago...
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> Sorry.. had to be said. =)
And this, right here, is the proof that you're a troll regardless of whether you use a smiley or not.
Free Software projects need them.
DOSEMU Only Seams to Emulate X86 Microcircutry Under Unix.
The actual Dos you run with Dosemu is a separate package ( Freedos or Caldera Open Dos are prime candidates ). This of course is the only way to really do it since so many Dos programs did most of there work by going around the OS and dealing with the hardware directly.
Now that Dosemu runs and has even used substantial hardware trickery ( AKA X86 protected mode ) it will let your 1GHz Athelon under Linux run the same software as that old PS/2 under Dos. But faster.
A few questions though. Windows 3.1 actually sort of worked under some versions of it ( I'll check if it boots in the full 1.0 release ) and Windows applications still go around the OS when they feel like. What are the odds of getting this to help out the emulation mode of WINE? As an API for porting old application Wine is OK of course, but it leaves a lot to be desired in the emulation department ( maybe that's why they don't call it 1.0 ? ). Could running Wine and Dosemu together improve on that somehow ?
--= Isn't it surprising how badly I spell ?
Congratulations to the DOSEmu people and thanks for the many years of hard work!
Your design to a real part online: Big Blue Saw
On a completely different note, I used to use DOSEMU to play Heretic and Descent under Linux in the days before there were native versions, and it was great. It can only have improved since then. I understand they've even got graphics working in a window under X now.
"The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike." -- Delos B. McKown
But hey, dosemu was for a long-long time stable/feature-rich enough to "deserve" 1.0 label.
My, what a shock it was when I ran "nascar racing" in an x-window and it run almost with no slowdown whatsoever.
That was some years ago and the machine I had then was 486DX-66 with 8MB RAM and an VLB video.
But of course, it's not just a game-runner.
Cheers to dosemu team!
Please someone hack UFO: Enemy unknown so it's usable on anything higher that 486/33 or else I'll had to do it :)
What a great game! Nothing even close was made after it.
http://underdogs.cjb.net
It's the most comprehensive and well-maintained archive of classic DOS games I've ever seen on the net.
Wah!
Heh, I just picked up the Electronic Arts "Classic Gold" Ultima Collection, and have been wasting time playing them through in succession. I'm up to Ultima IV. :)
However, I tried running Ultimas 6-8 on my Win98 laptop, and it refuses to recognise the mouse - 'cause there's no MS-DOS mouse driver loaded, and no obvious way to find and load one.
So perhaps via DOSEMU I'll have more luck.
Say, any word if DOSEMU correctly handles games that came with their own OS replacement?
Want to learn about race cars? Read my Book
Now if I could only get DosEMU for WinNT... :)
...although maybe that's a UK thing - I don't know how popular ZX Spectrums were in the US, but over here they rocked the home gaming world for a few years...
A friend of mine recently got a spec emulator for windows, and seeing him playing all those old games made me wonder what happened to my youth, at my now advanced age of 26 ! :)
Regards,
Denny
PS - this story broke on Linux UK much earlier today - something to do with the time difference I imagine, most slashdot stories seem to appear in our afternoon...
# Using Linux in the UK? Check out Linux UK
Police State UK - news and
Will it run Fusion (a Mac emulator for DOS that can emulate a 68040-based Mac Quadra and run Mac OS 8)?
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I just love Duke Nukem 3D. If you can ignore the blatant sexism of the game, it's got the highest giggle factor of any game I've ever played. I can play for hours and just laugh the whole time.
:)
I'm really really desperate to play this game again. The problem is that my WinBox is behind my Linux IP masq box, and I'm having a lot of difficulty.
There's a program out there called iC, an add on for Duke that is great for two machines connecting via TCP/IP. Doesn't work behind IP masq... It suffers from the "your IP address is 192.168.*.*, the other comp can't connect to you" problem.
Last night, I was trying Kali with their new kproxy software. It works great for Starcraft, but we just can't seem to see each other in Duke. I'd be eternally grateful for anyone willing to offer Kali/ipmasq/kproxy support for Duke. My wife on the other hand...
Now comes DosEmu. I could just run Duke on the Linux server! Does anyone have experience getting Duke to run over the Internet with Duke3D and DosEmu?
Its all ready to go for most people....
When you compiled gcc, it assumed you started on an impure system/foreign compiler. Then after you compiled it once, it used the compiled gcc to compile itself again. Then it used the 2nd gcc to compile itself a 3rd time as a test. If everything came out the same size, you were golden. I haven't done it in several years, drawn in to the laziness of user friendly distributions. So pardon me if I missed a part.
So, with DOSEMU, I suppose it doesn't REALLY work, until we can start DOSEMU, unpack LOADLIN and a linux installation kit, reboot linux within dosemu, and install linux inside linux.
But then, what would be the point?
Would this actually be useful for anything?
I went just about the same way in OSes (though I was never really into using Windows). Then one time when I was re-installing Linux from scratch I gave the command to create the swap partition
/dev/hda1
/dev/hdb1... Well, I less'd /dev/hda1 and noticed only the first blocks to be wrong, so I created a DOS partition of exactly the same size and copied the first n blocks to /dev/hda1, and it worked! I could copy most of important stuff I had there.
mkswap
And then started to wonder why it seems so big, until I noticed it should be
Later on again re-installing Linux I somehow mixed up the partitions and noticed at some point that I had overwritten my C: several times already.
The first notion was of utter shock - many year's of work collecting pieces of software (I still had backups of what I had created) and interweaving them into the system - down the drain.
The second notion (about two seconds after the first one) was one of relaxation and total freedom.
I have never regretted it...
I doubt, therefore I may be.
A few years ago, Ken and Roberta Williams sold their company to a larger corporation (forgot the name). They continued on for a while; but from what I can tell they're now retired. The entire facility near Yosemite, CA was let go about a year ago, so the old Sierra of adventure-game history is gone. However, I recently exchanged email with an employee of a game company that's setting up a new site there, and hiring lots of the former Sierra employees. And, he reads Slashdot, and is pushing for multiplatform development, so maybe there's some hope for the future.
Ultima6 might work, since it works fine in DOS emulation under OS/2 (which I keep around because it's better than DOS emulation in Win95, for some reason). But forget U7 and U8, as they have wierd memory managers that prevent them from running under anything but true DOS or a virtual machine like VMware.
VMware has figured out how to get around the aspects of the x86 architecture that don't virtualize properly. If Dosemu could do those same tricks, that would be truly cool.
Of course, there is the FreeMWare project, which aims to do just that. From a brief look, it seems that they have to scan the instructions before execution to find instructions that have to be emulated.
...I and a few others are working on reverse-engineering it to run under Linux using the original data files. This may take years, but it's GPL, and you can take a look at "exult.sourceforge.net".
a fave trick is "mkdir " makes a nice almost invisible directory. "cd ", and "rmdir ".
try { do() || do_not(); } catch (JediException err) { yoda(err); }
a fave trick is "mkdir " makes a nice almost invisible directory. "cd ", and "rmdir ".
That's better.
try { do() || do_not(); } catch (JediException err) { yoda(err); }
I tried a while back to run Autodesk 3D Studio release 4 under DosEMU but I got a crufty error about DPMI or something. I thne realized in the docs that 3DSR4 was specifically listed as non-op for this very reason.
.. anyone?
Now, after checking the docs on the website link above, I can't find anything that claims one way or the other if this app works.
Any clues,
I've actually seen one game work with DOSEMU sound. I have no idea how or why, but it does. Star Control II, my favourite game of all time, plays music and sound in DOSEMU. I suppose it uses some kind of unorthodox method for poking at the soundcard because I've never seen another game produce sound in DOSEMU. It was a little latent from game events, but still good.
This was with a SB16 clone (evil AVS mixer thing) with one of the newer developer versions. I'll have to try it again with 1.0 and my new emu10k1 (may not work without a real soundblaster, hrm...)
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Man, I remember in *my* day, I used to have a 486 with DOS and I was the shit at my school. It was fun going to grown ups and say "Windows", pshhhh, REAL MEN use the command prompt. Kind of like what I tell them now with Linux. . .
It still works under win95 and so on. You can make directories that win95 can't handle. (You can only delete them through DOS) every once in a while at work people go around and put folders on people's desktops called: XXXGOATPORNO Which looks like "XXX GOAT PORNO" of course. You can't move it, you can't rename it, you can't delete it. Gotta try that on the PHB some time...
-- Truth goes out the door when rumor comes innuendo. -- Groucho Marx
word? :P
Does anybody remember using Norton Disk utilities to create a "pruned" directory tree that existed as an isolated island in the filesystem so that it could be manually "chdir"ed to? That was cool :)
It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
I've just taken a quick look in freshmeat for BASIC programming tools for Linux. There seems to be a few - bwBasic, CINQ, Cubix, Production Basic, Rapid-Q, XBasic, YaBasic, etc...
Any thoughts on these? I remember how fast I could whip up a program in QuickBasic for DOS, and was wondering if there are any similar Basic languages for Linux - ie. With support for subroutines, no line numbers, lots of very "integrated" code (such as being able to read the joystick port with one command).
I'm just wondering...
Still no working sound support (can someone explain why is it so much harder in dosemu than in wine?), and it still doesn't like my mouse... yeah, i know, that the mouse is M$ IntelliMouse Explorer, probably made of UFO technology and all, but it works with gpm and it works with X, so why the heck it doesn't work with dosemu too?
Oh man, that ruined a few years of my early life... I remember one of my first non-pointless programming projects was an extensive modification of Nibbles. I figured out how its speed-checking routine worked (it used For...Next loops for delay in the main subroutines to avoid the floating point ops and to get better precision, but timed a similar loop to determine a multiplier for the iterations of the For (excuse me, FOR) loops later on. This was before I took any algebra or even pre-algebra ... a good guess is probably age 7 or 8... and I'm sure that understanding the little formula that it used and some other things was the root of my interest in mathematics from that point on). I discovered its key-getting-and-parsing section, and once I had read over it at least 50 times, I understood it and added my own keys. I tweaked some other routines too so that you could turn off walls (i.e., go right through them), start at any level (that was easy), return the snake to the middle of the screen, change how much it increased after hitting each number, and lots of other stuff that I dreaded leaving.
/usr/games in the default path!!!) (the Debian package is gnome-gnibbles, fyi). It's even cooler! Pass-through walls (I never thought of that!), bonuses that make you shorter, totally new levels, up to four snakes (once me and one of my friends played four-player GNibbles, each one doing two snakes... that was fun!), and unmatched speed!!! And more overjoyed was I to find a Gorillas clone for the TI-89 over at ticalc.org! Unfourtunately, it doesn't do the little sun-smiles-when-you-throw-a-banana-at-it thing (screen's too small) that I just loved (hacked it once to do that at random...). Anyone know of a Linux port?
Of course, now that I use Linux, I very quickly found gnibbles (Debian maintainers please put
You missed money.bas. I didn't hack that one very much (too boring), but I did see that it had a small machine code section for something like fast screen scrolling. It even had menus. High-tech BASIC coding!
Before leaving BASIC and moving on to more advanced languages, I undertook a very large project, specifically to fix up and enhance my friend's program called "Vocab Quizzer" (for English). I cleaned it up a lot, sped it up a lot, made the code a lot neater, fixed bugs, and (this took up most of the time) added lots of awesome graphics. I found probably the fastest and least memory-intensive way (in BASIC, that is) to draw and maintain a starfield bitmap in the background of everything in the program. I added in a grade-keeping section that was password-protected, and even devised a checksum algorithm to allow grades of home or lab-based quizzes to be verified by the teacher. Way-cool for a 6th grader like me. Okay, so it was pretty pathetic. But that wasn't important. It's what it led to that was important. Scheme, C. And of course I always liked CLIs, so Linux came naturally. Did I mention I discovered Slackware at about that time? Now I'm using Debian, and very very happy with it. Look how far we've come!
And to bring it all full-circle, I can run DOS from Linux. Vocab Quizzer -> QBASIC -> DOSEMU -> Linux -> P3-450.
I beleive I had Joe Montana Football working with sound at some point. I didn't get much else working with sound however.
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they put a dummy point and click interface on Space Quest 4 I stopped playing. It was actually harder with the stupid icons. Should I use the hand or the arrow icon to turn the switch on? See my point? Luckily not long after that Wolfenstein came out and my 8088 was upgraded to a 286.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
anyone know where that game can be found? I played that on my ancient 486 and remember it being le merde. I found RoE2 at this site, but can't seem to find the original..
Ahh, memory lane.
I remember when they was teaching in school how to directly manipulate the partion table and other structures using debug. But since this was a school for people into hardware, you also learned how to build an IBM PC from the chips up. You even built your own processor (no fooling)[1].
[1] No it wasn't an Intel Processor.
Sound on SCII is fine under 1.0 - I wouldn't have got any sleep last night if it wasn't for some problems with the colours which I suspect is the fault my graphics card (CL Banshee), not DOSEMU.
Heh heh you got that right. I'm not sure it's the kind of program that benefits alot from hardware upgrades either.
Looks like the initiator of the project is looking for a job or funding in exchange for opensourcing the project. Apple, Be, Redhat and Sun should help him out. Give Lawton some dough and a few machines. Put one engineer from each company on the mailing list and give them a paid day every month to work on it. Give them a year to speed it up a notch or two.
Actually that's an outlandishly expensive plan. It Bochs that valuable I wonder.
All you need to boot dos are your io system files (in ms-dos they were msdos.sys and io.sys) and the command interpreter (command.com) the dos directory did the other stuff. If you deleted a dos directory it still booted. You must have been introed into pee-cees in the days of winblows 95, you luser.
Now that we got this out of the way, where the phuk is commodore64emu????
Hmmm, well great, so somebody noticed that there is a 1.00 on the ftp server - but golly, their web page says nothing about it! Perhaps its because they HAVEN'T ACTUALLY RELEASED IT YET AND MAYBE SLASHDOT SHOULD LET THE RELEASE IT THEMSELVES??? What good does this do? Pretty stupid.
don't be an idiot, there is no higher honor than being a /. troll
The only similarity between the two is that the Minix filesystem was used by Linux before ExtFS (and its userland utilities like mkfs, fsck) was stable.
That, and Linus looked at the Minix source and rejected its design before writing a completely new kernel from scratch.
Hands in my pocket
I'd agree that native versions are always better and I hope everyone bothers companies to release the source to old programs, especially games, so that they can be ported and kept alive. I try to send an email to all my favorite game makers every couple months asking them to release old programs as source but thus far none have done it. I long for the day I can play Commander Keen native in Linux as I sit cleaning up the source code to the same. :) But since many old programs have been lost so that source no longer even exists or the companies refuse to give it away I think there will always be a need for emulators.
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
The bochs is kinda weird.
On its website it says that its contribution is "open", meaning open to the public to contribute codes, while its a shareware of sort - trial use for 30 days and then you must pay the guy money, or you must delete the thing from your box.
Hmmm....
And then there is a mention of bochs merging with freevmware, in order to make it GPL.
Well... freevmware is not exactly GPL either. It's LGPL.
Hmmm....
Don't know what to make of it.
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
Oops, OK. It was 32768 words, not bytes, on the PDP-11. Still, that's nearly half the memory . . .
Someday, I need to actually get the timeline on the larger memory 11's staight in my head . . .
AFAIK, DOSEmu doesn't emulate VGA or Sound Blaster fully. It seems to have problems with apps writing to VGA palette registers (instead of using VGA BIOS calls), and doesn't support FM (Adlib, OPL2) sound nor DMA-based wave/digital sound. In other words, the only aspect of the Sound Blaster that is properly emulated is feeding one byte at a time straight to the DAC - my experiments hacking the emulated SB directly from QBasic seem to bear this out. The only game I know that actually uses this method of sound playing is Star Control II.
/G:BIOS option (for example, "STARCON2 /G:BIOS /S:SBLASTER"). This corrects colour problems under DOSEmu.
BTW, you can force SC2 to use BIOS calls for palette handling by starting it with the
I have colour problems in DOSEMU and in plain DOS with my matrox G200. I think I finally got it working with xdos and Enlightenment's full-screen mode (alt+enter, tee hee).
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