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Princess Mononoke Delayed.. To Add Japanese!
Dark Paladin writes: "It seems that Disney has had a change of mind (er, wallet) after hearing about the 4500 online signatures (and more on the way) regarding the DVD version of Princess Mononoke. You can read the official press release sent to DVD stores here. All I can say is: proof that sometimes The Man listens." This is very cool.
My current favorite Disney gripe: DVD tracks contain a bit that can be set when authoring to prevent people from skipping the legal messages at the front of DVD's, like copyright messages. Disney now sets this bit for 10+ (and growing) minutes of previews & advertisments at the beginning of their DVD's (children and 'adult' movies) that MUST be viewed before you can get to the menu and play the movie EVERY TIME you reinsert the disk. Is this illegal? Of course not. Is it odious behavior? YES! How many minutes of forced advertising exposure will you defend? This is also another example of the loss of fair use.
Considering that the hardcore fan will never consider American animation to be of anime caliber, there are a few animated series I would *love* to see on DVD here in the states.
:), and The Real Adventures of Johnny Quest.
:) I'd be more than happy to start petitions for the others as well if people are interested...
The Simpsons has been announced to be released like the X-Files - by Season - in February, 2001.
Beyond the Simpsons, however, there are a number of series I would want to see. Among them are Batman The Animated Series, The X-Men (I bet I could get many more signatures on a petition after that movie
I currently have a petition to get Batman The Animated Series published on DVD here . Please do go sign it
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The other day I pointed out the Propaganda site to somebody and had to explain to them that while not everybody thinks correctly tiled backgrounds are "cool", some people do.
I'm a fan of the Propaganda site and am using backgrounds from there as I write this but I have to say on a scale of "coolness", anime has a lot more going for it than swirly jpegs.
Every single change from literal translation was sent to Studio Ghibli for approval before being incorporated. The only two differences that I've heard of are mentioned above (the soup tasting like donkey piss vs. water, and the girl turning into Ashitaka's sister). I'd still prefer a different translation--you have different priorities for a sub. But a dubtitle would be okay.
Just don't read it!
You folks have apparently got enough time to bring up articles you don't like and then make comments about how much the're a waste of your time.
Must be a slow day at work, huh?
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Why didn't you mention Cowboy Bebop? Three very nice DVDs are out now - three more coming in the next few months. Brilliant series, up there with Eva, Esca, the Patlabor movies and Mac+.
Not to mention the classic Castle of Cagliostro.
Also, while I know it's an old favorite, the animation on the earlier BGCs hasn't aged well. I still love it, but I doubt that it would be a good introduction to anime for most people.
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I think what people don't know about Nausicaa.net is that it is by far one of the best sites I've seen to explain Japanese anime period, in this the works of Studio Ghibli.
This site is so well-done that I've heard that even Hayao Miyazaki is most impressed by the depth and scope of how Nausicaa.net explains each Studio Ghibli movie release to non-Japanese audiences.
Because the people who run Nausicaa.net are given a nod of approval by Miyazaki himself, that's why when Nausicaa.net had that petition going it definitely had the credibility to persuade Buena Vista Video to delay the DVD version of Princess Mononoke until they can release an English/Japanese DVD with extensive background notes and details on the making of the movie.
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- "This soup tastes like water."
In English, that's a rather ambiguous statement, but in Japanese, it's supposed to be a really nasty jibe at someone's cooking. So, in the English version, the Neil Gaiman changed it around to a line more suited to western audiences:- "This soup tastes like horse piss."
Note the difference. Personally, I'd prefer the English subtitles to be the direct Japanese translation. However, that may seem unfair to the English hearing impared. After all, they deserve to hear Billy-Bob wax poetic about urine just as much as the rest of us. In a perfect world, Disney would but both subtitle tracks into the DVD. But I'd be happy with just one or the other.--
Excuse me for the "mouth attitude"... just didn't think an anime movie deserved a slashdot headline... :)
Ummmmm...looks like we do have a topic for anime. Given that this article is in it...
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My letter, with Mr. Jessen's address at the top, is right here.
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It must be the 5th "We need an Anime Topic because we don't wanna read anime news" I've seen recently. I don't get it! Why does it get moderated up to 5 every time. It's disturbing for the rest of us.
Why did you click
"Anime Story"->Reply-> (writing reply)Submit
if this topics doesn't interest you at all!?!?
Okay. Looks like you got your wish on the Anime topic. Now for the other stuff:
/. (though some of us always worked it into our posts...) was Essential Anime, an Ask Slashdot posted by Taco Hisself.
The big post that seemed to start this anime stuff here on
A bunch of people put lists up (as a few have done here) but rather than repost mine, I direct you to the one I posted there.
Note that there are other lists near mine with an equally large array of highly watchable, sometimes even great, fare. Most of us separate our favorites by genre (drama, comedy, scifi/mecha, fantasy) so you can pick and choose what's most likely to appeal to you.
Incidentally, I had a conversation with someone on anime's appeal under the Tenchi Story, our thread is right around here.
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So don't read it, much less respond to it. I don't read every Slashdot article and certainly don't post in ones I don't care about. If you have no interest in the article ignore it. Many people do find this interesting. Heck even if you don't like anime, you gotta admit changing Disney's mind with 4500 names submitted of the web is pretty cool.
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Of course. More than anything, I was mocking the posts who were portraying Disney as being philanthropic and understanding for allowing us the privilege of buying what they make. As if they give a rats ass about anything but the money they'll make off it.
Mononoke is anime. It's just being distributed in the US by a subsidiary of Disney that often does foreign or non-mainstream movies. It is some of the best animation I have seen, it is a really great story, and it is really great anime. I recommend it highly. Also, it DOES have demonic tentacled monsters in it! It's also not a musical or a love story. It is not like The Little Mermaid at all... although the Little Mermaid also did have a tentacled monster and a barely clad teenager, so I don't see what you have against it. :)
I bought Tank Police DVD in the US, and my native language not being English, I tried to have both the English dubbing track+English subtitles to help understanding.
Well, it turned out I switched to Japanese soundtrack+English subtitles, because the English subtitles and English dubbing were significantly different ! It felt so weird !
So now the most popular movie in Japan is being released as an America-encoded DVD, with a Japanese soundtrack. So the only thing stopping millions of anxious Japanese customers from watching their favorite movie is the DVD region-encoding byte.
A number.
hmmmm.
How much is a pre-respun Apex 600A dvd player worth on ebay now? 5 million yen? Ten?
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Also for those that are interested and didn't read more than the PM blurb...it appears that there will be an Oct 3, 2000 release of Vampire Hunter D on DVD.
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will be rather difficult to incorporate. we did not see the original screenplay translated into english when this played at theaters in america. neil gaiman (of sandman fame) did a rather extensive rewrite of the plot to make it more understandable to western audiences.
so i'm wondering, if you watch it in japanese with english subtitles, will you see a translation of the japanese words? or will you see the english words used by gaiman at that point in the movie? releasing a movie with essentially two different plots is kind of odd even for a feature loaded dvd.......
Is that a guy or a girl?
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Don't forget those classics of the tentacle pr0n genre, now available on DVD with introductions about the lofty cultural place schoolgirl tentacle pr0n holds in Japanese culture:
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f fer-overflowed-by-evil-tentacle-demons glory. A classic.
Urotsukidoji (Legend of the Overfiend)--now available in an excellent DVD reviewed at
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/reviews/urotsukid
in all its young-schoolgirl-in-cute-sailor-outfit-getting-bu
"The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws."--Tacitus, *The Annals*
Ok. I wanted to attempt to address some misconceptions I've seen repeatedly among the (more inane, IMO) replies regarding the recent anime posts here on /.
1. Animation & Comics are for kids.
If you believe this, I am trying extremely hard not to think evil thoughts about you right now. I thought people here were supposed to have open minds - but maybe I was being too idealistic. Anyway, I may be able to understand that here in the States, we've been accustomed to cartoons as being a forum for (mostly) children. I cannot understand why bright people can't think outside those lines. The Japanese have a very rich visual tradition, and Comics (Manga) and Animation (Anime) are deeply embedded in their culture. Everyone reads and watches them.
So unless you enjoy making fun of what's different than you (it's called bigotry, friend), think some more before you start advertising your ignorance.
2. Anime mouths are synced to the dialogue.
Most anime is done under a tight budget, and it would require massive amounts of man-power and time to make sure all the character's mouths work with the spoken dialogue - that coupled with the fact that most anime production houses know (or hope) that their product will be translated into other languages basically explains why anime mouths are not synced to dialogue. Most definitely not as "important" as the first one, but just a little annoying thing that I see crops up in replies from time to time. =)
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You're entitled to your opinion, but calling anime "cartoons" is almost an insult. Anime is nothing like American Saturday-morning craptoons. It's serious stuff in Japan; much of it is intended for mature audiences (Japanese law prohibits depiction of live-action genitalia).
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Secondly, not to offend who did the picture but its not very good looking. Maybe you guys should ask the slash crowd to send a better one? Or maybe not... Hmm... There has to be something that looks better than that...
As for the actual story (OT dodge) i think Disney is doing something right this time. Releasing one of the most popular movies in Japan without a Japanese language option is basically suicide. Blah.
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They re-released The Little Mermaid in theaters at the same time as when Anastasia came out.
Oh, those evil monsters. How could they? I mean, trying to compete with a rival product? For shame. Now this is just the sort of thing the government ought to be seeking an anti-trust ruling on, not those nice Microsoft people.
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Disney has one of the most ruthless marketing departments in the world (personal opinion). Did you see what these guys did when anyone tried to get into their space. For example, Anastasia.
For those of us not paying attention at the time, can you elaborate on this? What did Disney do to the guys who produced Anastasia?
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In Japan and in most of the world outside
N. America. This was Buena Vista Japan's
worry that made them request BV America
not to include the original sound track.
Also given that DVDs usually cost a lot
more $$ in Japan means that these would
for sure have been reverse-imported back
to Japan.
I hop they are just going to release the
"international" version in region 1 and 2
at the same time and just get over themselves,
but it is Disney so probably not.
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Way to add the new anime topic!!!!
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This is not just some movie...its only the highest grossing film in japan....next to ick....titanic...uughh... This isnt made buy disney either, it was made in japan by a man..whos name slips my mind right now...who is compaired to walt disney. When it came to the US it was dubbed over and licenced under miramax...owned by disney....this IS a great film...not just disney using its iron fist to inflate its typical stream of crap
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- First place kudos go to Johnson at Nausicaa.net for getting everybody rolling on this whole protest thing for Mononoke.
- Second place kudos to the good people at DVDTalk.com for helping the few screaming ninnies grow into the ruckus it is today.
- Honorable mention kudos granola bars to all the angry anime geeks that signed petitions, wrote letters and beat up Mickey Mouse mascots in the name of our cause. We did it!
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Read more about it:
http://www.anime-genesis.com/anime/g ra ve.shtmle s.html
http://www.u mi ch.edu/~iinet/cjs/films/reviews/graveofthefirefli
http://animedomain.com/addict/ag/gof.html
Any video rental shop that rents anime should have a VHS or DVD copy available.
Oh, and pick up some kleenex while you're out. You'll need it.
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This is a really big surprise to me.
Anime kids have these stupid petitions all the time, but seldom do the companies ever listen (except for the ones who specialise in anime like AnimEigo). Tens of thousands of people signed the Sailor Moon petitions a few years ago when it went off the air on USA... it took a long time for it to get picked back up.
But they listened... and Disney? Incredible. Anybody have some insight into this?
Yes, slashdot needs an Anime topic.
Disney has one of the most ruthless marketing departments in the world (personal opinion). Did you see what these guys did when anyone tried to get into their space. For example, Anastasia.
I'm willing to bet that there may have been some other underlying motive. Maybe the competition is getting ready to put something out and they want to swamp the market at that time.
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The last post was an accident... sorry!
Minor corrections and addendums, I think my info is correct as I own most of the titles listed ('cept Pokey & Akira)
El Hazard The Magnificent World 1 is on 4 VHS tapes, not 5. Seven eps total, one on the first volume, two on the following. The first one is as long as two of all the others, except the last one is a little longer. There are two TV series and an additional OAV series, IMO they pale to the original, the same way for Tenchi. Done by most of the same people too.
Escaflowne will be on 8 DVDs as far as I can tell. The present tapes are subtitled only. I can only expect the worst, pray for the best on the dub job, it will go to FOX Kids as noted elsewhere.
Ghost in the Shell Akira, Kiki and Totoro are theatrical movies running at about 90 minutes each, they are not episodic.
Grave of the Fireflies is also available on DVD.
Serial Experiments Lain has 13 episodes.
The mention of Evangelion is missing the movies, which there are several edits, and are mostly intended as a clarification of the last two episodes which apparently those two pissed so many fans off. There is a final edit of the EVA movies, known to us as "Revival of Evangelion" I believe.
For newer stuff, Trigun and Cowboy BeBop seem to be popular. Anything Lupin is hillarious and madcap insanity. Some people _really_ like Slayers, it's not my personal style.
For fantasy, presently the best I've seen is Record of Lodoss War. The OAV set is on DVD, the TV series will be in a few months.
I think the Anime subject addition was a good idea. That way some people can choose not to have it show up on their page. Another incentive for AC's to login...
A few additional titles that are quite fun:
Humour:
Irresponsible Captain Tyler
The City Hunter series
Dragon Half
More serious:
The "Patlabor" series
How nice of the gracious multinational corporation (as well as MPAA member) to allow us to fill their wallets in exchange for media we can only use on their draconian terms, further assisting them in their tyrannical court fight! Proof that execs really can be reasonable.
Let's see, things like Star Trek, comic books, computer games, Lego Mindstorms sets, the latest high-tech toys and gadgets, science-fiction, etc etc, are all universally embraced by geeks, often with a bit of pride to boot. Yet whenever an anime topic pops up on Slashdot we have some geeks here sincerely dismissing it as childish, stupid, dorky, etc etc.
Yes, there is awful anime out there, but there are also awful computer programs, Star Trek movies, useless gadgets, etc etc. For a geek to be so blindly dismissive towards anime smacks of hypocrisy; to adopt the same narrow mindset found in mainstream society that derides geeks as inept social misfits stuck in childhood. How Nietzsche.
After all, aren't geeks supposed to pride themselves as being more inquisitive, playful, and willing to experiment, no matter how supposedly "stupid" or "worthless" the subject may appear be? Aren't geeks supposed to be above proving how "cool" and "macho" they are, above tearing down others because they are different and "wierd"?
Don't slam anime unless you're willing to slam all the other geek hobbies on the same criteria.
Younger:
Kiki's Delivery Service (1 episode, vhs)
My Friend Totoro (1 episode, vhs)
Pokemon (tv)
Drama:
Macross Plus (4 episodes, 2dvds)
Grave of the Fireflies (1 episode, vhs)
Serial Experiments Lain (14 episodes, 4dvds)
Action:
Ghost in the Shell (1 episode, vhs)
Bubblegum Crisis (8 episodes, 3dvds, tape)
Akira (1 episode, vhs)
Random Highly Recommended:
If you can find these...
Escaflowne (7 vhs)
El Hazard (5 vhs)
Evangelion (26 episodes, 13vhs)
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It's been said before and I agree -- we really do need a topic just for ANIME. This one doesn't quite fit in topic=TV
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Here is a big company, Disney, trying to release a foreign film DVD into its own market. It is putting in big money in the efforts of selling a piece of work that many customers will fork over money for. But it fails to understand the basic motivations and the demographic that is buying this foreign work.
Whatever happened to market research? Whatever happened to giving your customers what they want? Is this big market giant asleep at the wheel?
It happened that this particular case, the fanatical customers were very vocal. But for your average movie, and your average audience, they are just silent. I guess in such cases, these sheep deserve to be ripped off, right?