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Lain Discussion Panel At Otakon
Lawrence Eng writes: "At Otakon 2000 earlier this month, the producer and character designer of Serial Experiments Lain, Yasuyuki Ueda and Yoshitoshi ABe, answered questions at a Lain discussion panel. The full transcript of that discussion, the IRC transcript of the talk with Ueda and ABe that took place the day after the convention, and other related interviews can be found here. I thought people might appreciate a chance to look into the minds of the Lain creators."
Uhh this is no more off-topic than Cowpland leaving Corel. If you like to read about Corel more than you like to read about Anime, filter out the "anime" category but leave the "Corel" category.
Uhhh... I've watched Amazing Nurse Nanako today, and I was less than unimpressed by it - if a decent plot and/or story are also (seemingly) considered fan service these days, then I'd rather have that sort than the "boing boing" one... *urgh*
(Having a whiny ditz constantly being abused by her "superior" as a main character of course doesn't help the series, either... :( )
Concerning the rest of your post - I'm a fan of the first Armitage III OVAs, and I definitely want more of that - the original ending left far too much open... oh, and I have to agree that the OVA dub is much better than the movie one, but I guess you haven't even heard the horror that the German dub of the movie is... *blech* made me shell out quite a lot for the Japanese DVD that thankfully contains the original English dub as well, if only to reassure me that there was a good story hidden under all that horrible German voice "acting"...)
np: Underworld - Tongue (DubNoBassWithMyHeadMan)
As always under permanent deconstruction.
"I'm not anti-anything, I'm anti-everything, it fits better." - Sole
actually, those were all from memory/bookmarks. and yes, im being a karma whore.
no
So go to your preferences page and filter out of Anime section. If you don't like anime, yet still feel compelled to click on this thread and post a reply saying how much you don't like anime, that's your problem.
Here's my DeCSS mirror, where's yours?
It is, and I quote: "News for nerds, stuff that matters"
And that is a very irreverent thought as well. Everything on this site is meant to be fun, newsworthy, entertaining, illuminating, useful, interesting, whatever. At least, to the people who filter out the stories.
If you want to run a site that is software and circuitry, grab slashcode and set it up yourself. I like the variety. Sometimes I want to see news about latest processors. Sometimes I want politics. Sometimes I want movies. Sometimes I want something new. Slashdot has done well, so far, in providing this. It isn't a politics page, a science page, a software page, a law page, a news page, or anything else.
It does Linux and Legos, anime, IP rights, DVDs, toys and technology, science, whatever. And it works.
The nick is a joke! Really!
GPL Deconstructed
The two have a lot in common superficially, but if you actually watch all 13 episodes of Lain, you'll see that the two are like night and day.
The US release of Lain happened after everyone saw the Matrix, so a lot of misinformed people on this side of the ocean think that Lain ripped off the Matrix, when in fact it did not.
"You spoony bard!" -Tellah
As explained on Lawrence Eng's fan page, that voice is in fact called Whisper, and it comes standard on every Mac.
And while I'm posting anyways, I have a question about Otakon -- why is it so dang expensive? I would have loved to drop by for a couple hours and browse for some DVDs, but the door price was over $20.
Yeah, yeah, I'm know I'm not a real otaku. But why doesn't a big con like that set aside a section as an admission-free space for vendors to sell goodies to the public at large? The Baltimore Convention Center has 7 Halls, 4 Ballrooms, and 50 meeting rooms, and I'm pretty sure Otakon rented the whole thing that weekend.
As much as i like SEL, Evanagelion still reigns as my favorite. Since Antartica is still there as i write this, i guess second impact did not occur. darn.
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Do you think that the common audience between Lain and Slashdot is equal to or greater than the audience Moby (Radiohead, Sneaker Pimps, Korn, Talking Heads, Debussy, whatever) and Slashdot share? perhaps. then, why do we never see any articles about music? Because it's not primarily a technological field. If we begin to accept articles about anime, why can't we accept articles about a new release by Pantera, or even perhaps the launch of a new digital mixing board from Yamaha? i've never seen anything like that on slashdot before, and i don't expect to. IMHO entirely too many things get flushed from the submission queue simply because the people who run slashdot don't think it's cool enough. that is just how it works i guess, but it's a shame. -matt
it's all a giant conspiracy!
+1 Insightful?
The links are there for a reason. The reason? To give context to the story. What you're asking for is the equivilant of asking for a cookie when you already have it in your hand. Take 10 seconds of your time to click the link and read a little bit.
Just keep in mind whose site it is and that you can always check the little box to keep from seeing topics you don't like.
You people simply DON'T READ. Look at the rest of this thread, Phil. You are redundant, redundant, redundant. And by the way, I hate Star Wars too.
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Transformers was produced in Japan but that doesn't make it Anime (well, obviously). Transformers wasn't anime in the slightest. Anyway, the chief animator wasn't japanese, he called anime "to easy" on many occasions, and the japanese influence ammounted to "here japanese person, draw the frames inbetween these stills".
I'm talking about whatever I can see on TV. Admitedly there are some kickass anime movies, maybe even a series or two that i've missed -- where the animators have bothered to draw more than two frames every second -- but the likes of Pokémon and Dragonball Z, and so many other voltron wannabes and cack like that are all lazy animation.
Their nature is lazy. They draw the hero in a pose and parallax the background round him while the hero trembles in a strangely fake `Dr Katz` type way.
I don't believe for a second that this type of animation style -- as done so predominately in many (no not all, but many) Anime -- is because it's an artistic vision. It's lazy.
(oh, and to that idiot moderator - cheers; how about considering some people may have a different opinion and aren't just out there to get a reaction.)
--Giving to trolls for the benefit of us all
I am INCREDIBLY INTRESTED in anime, most anime is science fiction based, and thats what appeals to the real scientist. To quote Bruce Sterling "Science fiction writers are the court jesters of the hard science world". So its nice to sit back relax and watch a nice intelligent science based piece of fiction, not to mention the incredibile art work. If you shop for anime at a porn shop you really dont know what your talking about. In essence SHUT YO TRAP BIZTACH!
You know, I consider myself a geek and I feel at home at Slashdot until they go and post something like this. Shouldn't this be on a website dedicated to anime news?
Last I checked, Slashdot was "News for Nerds". Isn't this "News for Nerds"?
by Mike Buddha -- Someday the mountain might get him, but the law never will.
I'm just testing something with Slashdot, ignore this message.
ROCK ON!
Man, why do people keep on posting things like this?
So you are saying that you only want to see info on very strict categories that the majority of all slashdot readers agree are worthy. Wow, if only slashdot were really like that - imagine how great...zzZZZZzzZZzz...oh, sorry I fell asleep just thinking about how boring that would be.
If slashdot didn't "alienate" me once in a while, I would stop reading it! I don't know about you, but I like being exposed to new things - it gets really boring reading story after story about Napster or the latest update for **insert random product here**.
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People, if you don't like anime, CHECK THE EXCLUDE BOX FOR ANIME ON YOUR PREFERENCES. Then you won't even have the opportunity to start screaming about anime being a "genre" (it's a MEDIUM) in which people get raped by tentacles (and it isn't -- all you've being watching is hentai if you think this is so).
I don't apologize for this sounding like a rant, because it is. I'm rather annoyed, and I think that all of the other otaku out there who read Slashdot are also, because they too have to go wading through a bunch of crappy posts by uninformed people just to read anything of value.
Please, for the love of God, if you don't like anime, check "the box."
Now watch me get moderated down for this post by some moderator just because they don't like anime. >_
The Vision of Escaflowne is a GREAT anime series that's Different in style. It's still very anime, but also very refreshing. At first the Doonesbury-like facial features kinda weird you out, but you get used to it pretty quickly as you lose yourself in the story. All in all Escaflowne rates right up there in my anime top 10, together with Lain, Cowboy Bebop, Evangelion, Bubblegum Crisis and, ohwell, I guess most Anime lovers a kind of similar top 10 :)
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Never underestimate the power of stupidity
Never underestimate the power of stupidity
To err is human, to moo bovine
Most definitely. :-) What was really sad was when said people got moderated up for doing exactly that. My view is that its Rob's news site, and he can put what he wants on it.
-RickHunter
I enjoyed Lain, moreso for visuals and settings than story..and to compare it to the Matrix, I dunno...which was in production first? Not that that even matters since Media has been recycled over and over for a long time now. If you had seen Lain first, THEN the Matrix you may be argueing that all Hollywood does is rip off Anime.....
AND why hasn't Pokey the Penguin been updated in many weeks?? I'm beginning to get concerned...that strip is very intellectual...its like a MENSA comic strip!LOL!
I need Pokey UPDATED!
Sehr geehrter Toilettenbenutzer!
There was a PC in Tachibana General Labs, iirc.
As one friend to another, I must clue you people in.
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*lain* is not the same as *laid*. If you think that getting lain is the same as getting laid, please check again.
We geeks won't become the sex symbols of the 21st century if we can't even get the slang right.
If tits were wings it'd be flying around.
Belive me I had mod access last week and I'm wishing I had it now.
I love anime but I'm about to block the topic cause all people do is complain inside the discussion forum.
Remove the spam reference to email
meta-moderation obviously isn't working. It doesn't have enough teeth to make any real changes.F /...
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This was another benefit of being at Otakon this year, Boa, the band that performs the theme song was also there. (Some of the band were even on our floor of the hotel, woohoo!) Definitely a great band that I hope doesn't get trashed when the debut in the states next year. Here's their official website. Root for them when they release here in Q1 next year... they are a great band and great people.
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(And no, I don't represent the band. I'm only a groupie.
I sig, therefore I am.
Pretentious, sure. Crap, no.
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You own whining basically pronounces the fact that you didn't understand the purpose of the series, which was to invoke discussion and thought. The "plot", such as it was, was left intentionally vague so that each individual was free to make their own interpretations. If you actually read the transcript, you would know this (they actually state that they left it intentionally vague). The point was to make you question your perspective of reality. You take away from it what you chose to. If you got nothing from it, then it's only your own fault. It's not meant to be a story: it's a conversation piece.
And with regards to people who feel that posts about this series are off topic because of it being anime, they are incorrect. Much of the imagery used is easier for people in the technology sector to relate to than anyone else. We tend to have a VERY different perspective on life, the universe, and everything than most people do. For example, I'm sure that you've experienced a situation where you're out with a group of friends, and start letting loose with techie talk with one of your friends, while the rest of them look at you like you've got 7 heads and a bag of marbles hanging from one of your noses. That's the same view you seem to be taking of Lain. Get the picture?
-Packgrog
Coffee is mother, Coffee is father
I think that after a certain point, you can't get moderated up. I've had a few highly rated posts recently and my karma is stuck at exactly the same point - 6.02E23.
If tits were wings it'd be flying around.
Hopefully you are simply joking when you call something jap filth. And if you are not joking, then you are simply ignorant, and you sound racist. Also, I can't believe how many ignorant people post on slashdot. Seriously people, why in the hell do we have to fight about an anime? I've seen Lain; I like anime; Lain is pretty fucked up; Lain is interesting. OK, look! I spoke my opinion! I'll be damned, I think i'm allowed to do that right? Would everyone just frickin calm down over this?
Anyways, I personally think its interesting to read about anime news on slashdot. I'm no huge anime fan, but I know plenty of geeks like me are. So I have respect for other people in the tech community, many of you should learn to do the same.
There's my two cents...well maybe a wooden nickel's worth...
-=MeMpHiStO=-Right. Most anime in the US was available years ago in Japan. Just like they wait a while to release US films in other countries (not as long, but US film isn't exactly a cottage industry in other countries).
/.: clearly many of us appreciate it, these posts get tons of replies and are appreciated by many of us. The first few had complaints of "you need an Iicon for Anime so I can block it out" all over the place. Well you got your icon, so go into your user page and block it out. Same for you Katz haters.
Incidentally, this "lag" also has an effect on aesthetic comparisons. Up until a few of the recent theatrical releases of anime (GITS, Mononoke) films, it was tough to explain to people how far ahead of the curve some anime art is compared to the Disnified bullshit you see in the US, especially when your comparing post-Beauty and the Beast US anim and basically late-80s anime. Those two recent releases sure have made a world of difference for those of us who've been into it for a while.
For the people who say it doesn't belong on
As for me: Nested, Oldest First, -1, every day for two years.
-jpowers
-jpowers
Yeah, a lot of people decide out of ignorace to make fun of that which they simply don't understand...
Also, although I haven't seen nearly as much anime as a "real" otaku should, I haven't seen any that give me the impression that all anime does is reuse ideas from Western media. Besides, I haven't seen all that many good American TV shows or movies (besides the occasional few) lately...
a)Why is Slashdot posting all this anime crap? Jeez, I'm a geek and I don't like it... it's all derivative.
Thank you for professing to speak for every "geek" around. I'm white, and I speak for all white people when I say you're an imbecile.
b)It's time for Cmdr Taco to grow up and out of watching this crap. Sure, I watched it in college, but then I became more mature when my friends told me that it wasn't cool to watch anime any more and switched to watching arthouse films. They're really deep, and everyone can learn something from the artful insights of their powerful symbolism.
In the same breath that you call for CT to grow up, you explain that "your friends" told you it wasn't cool to watch anime anymore, so you stopped. How grown up of you. I'm thinking that "cool" or "grown up" on YOUR scale is a place I don't want to be.
d)This doesn't belong here. This is news for nerds. I am a nerd and I don't see this as news.
Again, thank you for speaking for everyone. I don't remember making you our spokesperson, but perhaps I was out on the day of the vote. Personally, I found it an interesting read, and I find it hard to believe that you feel you're sufficiently important to decide what belongs here. Scary.
In short...I hope this was a joke designed to poke fun at the other whiners, otherwise it's just sad.
You know, I consider myself a geek and I feel at home on Slashdot until they go and post something like a silly new GeForce 2 Ultra being released. Shouldn't that be on a website dedicated to PC game news?
</sarcasm> Sorry about that, it probably would've been more effective sarcasm if I referred to something about the X-Files or quantum physics theories.
There are many geeks that like anime. There are many people that like anime that aren't geeks, and there are many geeks that don't like anime. But couldn't you substitute just about anything in the place of "anime" there?
Unfortunately, blowing off steam about how you don't like anime will not convince Slashdot to stop posting anime-related news, nor will it fix your problem of seeing anime-related news on Slashdot. You can fix the latter problem by going into your preferences and setting it to not display anime news.
Karma: Terrifying (mostly affected by atrocities you've committed)
You seem more like a troll than man.
And all those posts you hold so dear
Should be crammed in your ear.
And you know I mean to beat on you,
But you don't really mean very much.......
Heheh now all you Lain fans will have the intro tune stuck in your head for hours! muaahahahah... Anime is great and just because the simplton trolls cannot think about what they watch it doesn't mean it sucks. Come on you trolls would rather criticize a movie's credits' font than actually enjoy the movie itself!
"Survival of the fittest Max, and we've got the fucking gun!" - Pi
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I probably got here too late for this to be moderated, or even viewed, so likely no-one will see this, but:
A link for those people who want to learn more about Serial Experiments Lain:
http://www.anipike.com/series5.html
has a list of all sorts of pages devoted to Lain. Hopefully that's all the explanation people need. It is a worthwhile series to view, if you like anime, and if you wish to view something which asks questions about reality and our place in it. That, and the intro song is pretty good.
I know that this will most likely not change your mind about the subject of anime, but from some of the comments that you have made it is clear that you have had exposure to the darker side of anime (the half that more in common with porn). If Urotsokudoji is all that you have seen from the genre (I don't believe that it is just any other genre... more like a set of sub-genres) you would see that anime is much more than character drawings of guys with "six dicks".
/. contributors and editors tend to concentrate on anime titles that have most in common with scifi and fantasy, but there are plenty of other titles out there that don't fit into either of those genres (take for instace many of the anime movies directed by Miyazaki).
Take for instance Lain. Lain's subject matter has more in common with scifi movies like The Matrix than with porn. Lain has little if any sexual content. In fact I think Trinity and Neo are more overtly sexual in several scenes than in any scene from the entire 13 episodes of Lain.
I think what is so special about anime is that it tends to be very diverse. You name a genre and I bet that you could find an anime title that would fit right in. Yes the
one last parting shot... when was the last time you saw an american movie that did a cyberpunk theme that did not turn into a "shoot'em up"?
I knew there were some Apple and other computer references in Lain, like "Think Different" and even stuff like "Copland OS," but one of the pages on the link in the parent article has a lot more that I never heard of before or didn't notice, like "Navi" is an Apple reference?! And I've been a Mac fan for years. The mock "think different" ad is pretty funny, too.
holy shit people.
did anyone get the fact that this guy is joking?!? and Flamebait? try Funny next time.
i really want some of the crack that the moderators are smoking today.
Me too! Hey, maybe because its good? Hmmm.
Well, i can pretty much say that i've seen quite a few anime classics
Akira, Vampyre Hunter D, Ghost in the Shell (which i own). But it's always seemed to me that many fans of the genre (yes, i'm still going to call it a genre) are too into the mob mentality. If something comes out, it's immediately worth watching because it's good. personally, i thought Wings Of Honnemease(sp) sucked. I thought the Urotsockudoji series sucked. As far as i'm concerned, anime is just like everything else in this world. %99 of it sucks...the rest is DEFINITELY worth watching.
FluX
After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
"It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -David Hume
Give Ghost in the Shell a chance, too. (Hey at least when I re-watch it 10 times it doesn't take me 130 hours! Only 20.)
I thought a sentient computer was as far up the ladder as you could go...
See, Latin is on the rise again - everyone is speaking it now - even in Latin discussion panels. Now I guess I should brush up on my ero eris erit erimus eritus erunt. Sheesh, and I just had a good use for the pluperfect tense.
Oh, wait, you mean to tell me this has nothing to do with the Roman Language??? Stercus!
Extra Linux Non Es Vita!
Wheeeee
As much of a fan as Anime, I have to agree, plastering it up on Slashdot is a bit odd, seeing as how it really is something that one would consider a hobbyist thing, like building model rockets, ham radio, or flying remote control airplanes (or even being in the Jerry Springer fanclub, which you know has to exist!)
Rob, please stop. You know well more than half are derisive comments, and it simply isn't worth posting here. OK? -_-;;
Lain is one of my favorite anime series, and with regards to whether or not it should be posted on /., there's nothing wrong with it being posted. I, for one, enjoy it when there is an anime post on /. I consider myself a geek, and I think that many geeks do enjoy their anime. I am careful to say that not all geeks enjoy anime - as they all don't - which is shown by many of the "Stop posting this sh*t on /." posts. However, I think there are as many people who enjoy anime posts as there are people who enjoy Space posts, and who enjoy posts about games for Linux. /. posts many things for many different people and their interests.
Anyway, back to my subject - Lain. Cafe-Lain is a nice site for people who enjoy Lain as well as other anime. I highly recommend it.
mmm...physics...
Actually, a Mac-user friend of mine tells me that the OS the Navis use (can't remember the name,) was one of the great MacOS vaporware versions before OSX. It was supposed to be this mind-blowing cool revolutionary OS, then they dumped it, and incorporated parts into OSX.
I'm reading up at +3 and the posts I see are, at best stupid and offtopic. I can only hope that meta-mod cleans up some of this kind of crap:
1.5 article bitching about how bad the front page was today
2 articles bitching about how anime doesn't belong on slashdot.
1.5 articles telling them how to not read a topic
2 OTHER stuff
5 actually even remotely about lain
So, over 50% OT posts moderated at +3.
To avoid being OT, myself; I rented lain about a week ago, and watched the first two episodes... It looked like it could be really cool, but it was in Japanese, so I couldn't really tell. My local video store had one of the recalled copies, the ones that Pioneer accidentally forgot to include the English dub on.
What really frightens me is that when they pulled up the movie's file and it showed 20-30 people had rented the movie, and not said anything about it not being in English...
my sig's at the bottom of the page.
I like the whispering speech synthetizer voice that announces the episode's name: "Layer Zero One
(...)and liked the intro/ending song.
Great song! The group is called BOA, the song, Duvet. Look for the extended accoustic version on Nap__er, it's got great guitar works!
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<insert freaky organ music here>
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faeryman
hmm considering these guys were working on it long before the Matrix every came out, I have a hard time excepting your "good ideas from Western media" theory.
Actually I would venture I guess that some of our
better programs and movie come from a decidely non-Western influence.
Come down off your Western Civilization high horse and enjoy the Global Economy
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Anyone think perhaps CmdrTaco is just earning his paycheck by posting stories that benefit VA Linux and/or Andover? Perhaps this LAME anime shit has something to do with that. Maybe the same reason why copyleft isn't linked anymore. "Clothe yourself in commercialism".
The new anime icon is, as far as I can tell, Sasami of Tenchi Muyo and Magical Girl Pretty Sammy fame. Definitely a step up from the previous anime icon.
then it's time to get some scaffolding.
~ppppppppö
In the meantime, there's always Nanako (boing boing)!
Check the preferences page. There is a section for Anime...check it off and you won't have to read them. Check it off and go away.
Why is that?
Because when you can't come up with decent scripts and plots, you have to create goofy character designs to compensate.
Anyway, want some 'interesting' character designs? Watch Urotsukidoji. *_*
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It is one of the most interesting philosophical debates i've seen on what is the net, what effect does the net have on people, etc. It is not about ninjas or demons or typical anime action. Very thoughtful, and has examples of the best-looking user interfaces i've ever seen. Wouldn't you want her navi program on your box? I don't think anyone whose trashed this being on slashdot has actually watched it or paid attention to the tech. I mean, the scene where lain has completely rewired her room to be this tech fortress, it's the equivalent of porn for overclockers and hardware geeks.
You know, I consider myself a geek and I feel at home at Slashdot until they go and post something like this. Shouldn't this be on a website dedicated to anime news?
Hey Rob, I know this is your site and you should run it the way you see fit. But Slashdot has grown to become a monster that means a lot to a lot of people. I'm sure there's lots of geeks out there that enjoy anime, but I'm sure there are MANY more anime fans who AREN'T geeks.
The fact is, this story does not belong on Slashdot. Let's stick to software and circuitry.
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okay...
Here is a link to an interesting Lain site, Thought Experiments Lain. It has spoilers galore, and a good explanation of the computer, literary and historical references in the anime. Don't visit the site unless youve seen Lain in its entierty and are trying to make some sense of it.
Here's a link to my little' 'ol Lain Gallery. With plenty of pretty pictures for you to look at.
I was also at otakon, but I went to the bandai panel instead of Lain. Got an interview with the guys for atanime.com too. (eep, shameless self promotion!) BTW, did anyone else who was there think that BOA's Performace at otakon was sub-par?
Anipike has plenty of links for other stuff.
Personally, I loved this anime and found it intriguing. Yes, I do think it is VERY pretencious, but that just part of the experience. When doing an anime like this, its impossible to avoid it. Eva was amazingly pretencious too. Lain is currently my favorite set of anime dvds, and if you havnt seen it yet, I honestly reccomend checking it out.
Okay, Im done..
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Well, I'm an avid anime watcher (though I can't say I've seen Lain besies on shirts and pictures) and I see no problem whatsoever regarding anime on slashdot. All of my "geek" friends who have reason to associate with slashdot love anime. There is always more anime that is terrific, not just the stuff people like vertical-limit don't like. If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all! Just my two cents worth.
Blessed are the geeks for they shall Internet the Earth.
You gotta admit, the opening line "present day, present time, hahahaha..." is pretty funny, and quite possibly the best part of the series! Lain is much overrated. Although its the only anime DVD I bought, it was more 'cuz it appealed to my mac-geek side, and liked the intro/ending song. The story was too ambiguous and it doesn't come close to Evangelion when it comes to being profound. Gainax and Studio Ghibli's works are much better. As far as 13 eps OAV is concerned, Record Of the Lodoss Wars was better.
AnimeOnDVD.Com is basically the source for anime on DVD news. This past Monday, the site's main artist - Bethany Neal (who drew the marvelous Divi-Chan) and her husband, Justin, passed away in a car accident.
I don't know the details since that's what was posted on AnimeOnDVD. There is an address to send condolences to the family:
Bethany and Justin Neal
130 SW 112th Street
Seattle, Washington 98146
More information is here.
[rant] It was probably some moron who felt he could drive while having a beer. Fucking morons. [/rant]
You should never take life too seriously - You'll never get out of it alive.
heh.... little do you know that Transformers was :)
originally done in Japan
If you want to compare good anime verses animation done by disney I think you should take a look at some of Miyazaki's movies (Nausica of the Valley of the Wind, Laputa, Porco Roso). Any of his movies would put any but some of the very oldest disney movies to shame.
When did anyone on /. ever claim to be open-minded?
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-- Danny Vermin
Oi, anime kankei suru posuto uke irerarenai hito!
Anime suki ja nakereba, sono posuto yomuna yo! Sonna ni kantan da. konpyuuta kankei no posuto to anime kankei no posuto to, konpyuuta no hou ga ooinda kara, anime posuto ga areba, komaranai deshou. Baka ja naide.
Koitsu... Konpyuuta no tsukaikata ha wakarukedo yasui hito ni narikata ha zenzen wakannai...
Anime no suki hito: Lain tanoshimou!
Nihongo dekinai nara, ki ni shinaide.
Sore wo paipu ni irete suiro.
as a frequent slashdot reader, i'll add my voice to the fire: i don't think of /. as just a "computers-n-such" site, and i found the lain discussion to be very interesting.
this site may be viewed by some as computer-specific, but the fact is that it also tends to pick up some of the more interesting -- and oftentimes elsewhere-neglected -- stories from across the spectrum that tend to be of interest to those of us involved in the "tech" side of life. lain may not have the social importance of linux or MPAA v. 2600; but if, to some degree, "lain" and slashdot share an audience, then that community is all the 'relevance' that the story needs to belong on this site.
cmdrtaco: thanks for the post. i wouldn't have read the transcript otherwise, and i'm glad that i did.
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Well, it's not really "the boys at slashdot" who decide these things. CmdrTaco is the one who posts all the Anime stuff, because, hey, he likes it. And it's his site. If you don't like it, turn it off. As I reminded another poster above, you can still read /. for everything else; all you have to do is uncheck the Anime option in your preferences!
This may be a bit redundant but I'm just trying to help out :)
"Well kids, you tried your best, and you failed. The lesson is, never try."
6 points wasted on my post that clearly labeled itself as off topic. the moderation system is broken. i offered a possible fix, one that many other have offered up as well.
F /...
lets do something about it.
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Seeing as how Lain was out in Japan before Matrix entered production, I'd have to say that the idea-thieving was the other way around. The directors of Matrix said they took ideas from Anime -- guess which one was high on the list?
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And the "What is the Wired" slogan you refer to never to my knowledge appeared anywhere with relation to Lain (okay, maybe it was said once in the series). The slogan is "Exit the world enter the nExt", a clear neXt reference, which Lain is full of. If you can't remember what the slogan is, no wonder you can't remember anything happening.
Or, in a word: THWACK.
P.S. This is still a dumb thing to post on
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heh, lain is definatly one of my favorites - thank you very much for the links! :)
Cybie! aka Ralph Bonnell
got a garage full of the stuff I could sell you cheap, except of course for the UK -> US container rental/tansport prices, and of course the fact I enjoy the stuff way more than any pleasure a T1 could give me, then again my favourite game as a kid was jumping out of the top of large pine trees and sliding down. I've heard you can do wonderfull stuff with bamboo though. And anyway isn't it worth it to trancend this short brutal /. existence?
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Actually, I think karma has been frozen for a week or two now. When my karma stopped moving, I also noticed a lot of others complaining about their karma being stuck. My guess is that it's a recently added bug.
seems pretty broad...whatever that nerd Rob feels is news, and whatever matters to him...
Sure is, and i would filter but sometimes the Anime topic is kinda cool. As I said, I like anime. I just thought this post was a little ridiculous. And I was bored. And had karma to burn. I always forget to hit that stupid "no score +1 bonus" button. Which I also think is ridiculous. Why, just because I've been here long enough to accidentaly accumulate some karma, should I automaticaly be assumed to be worth reading more than any other logged-in user? This post was sort of an experiment to see if I could burn some karma off to lose that damn bonus, but it didn't work that well. Oh well.
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Cowpland resigns from Corel,
:)
Indrema allies with Redhat.
Lokisoft produces BSD games.
Ge2 released.
Must be a slow news day
Mode (3) smart-aleck mode. Press * to return to main menu.
It also seems that you are a weak individual who gives in to peer pressure easily and has to do everything your friends tell you to do just to be "cool" or "mature". Personally, I think watching anime has nothing to do with the intellectual capacity of anyone. I am a very art oriented person, but I definitely see more depth and intelligence in some anime (not all anime mind you) than in a lot of 'artsy' films. Of course, I realize that both have their own styles and ways of portraying different ideas, and so I can appreciate both.
I hope that you can one day do the same, instead of basing your opinions on the beliefs of other people...
Some of the /. crew like it! It thus passes their coolness filter, and they post it.
*I* like Lain. I think it's entertaining. I think it's deep. I think it's cool. So I read the posts, I write my own.
*You* think it's crap. You think it's boring and derivative. Cluestick! *thwap* Don't read the submission, don't enter the thread, don't read the posts, and don't dilute the SN ratio with your presence please.
The nick is a joke! Really!
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Lain is ALL about software and circuitry. It is the best movie ever about future tech and the net. Want an image of the uber-geek? The guy with all the wearable computers going on and on about how cool he was, how he was so connected, freaking brilliant. If the anime was about computers I think it's relevant. Watch the movie. Look at the user interfaces. Powerful, sleek, look like they came out of a video game rather than a lame version of unix. If the os in lain were real, microsoft would be dead, as would linux. It's what everyone wants and nobody has any idea how to make.
No, it's just another medium. 'Anime' is the Japanese word for animation. That the best animated stories seem to come from the Japanese is a side issue.
There are many different genre in anime, just as there are different types of shows on American TV. Some are for kids, some aren't. Some are comedic, some are dramatic, some are titilating, some are documentary. Some are cute, some are nasty, some are scary.
There are Japanese terms for the different types, I just don't know them by heart.
My preference: Good scripts and plausible plots. I also enjoy stories told without the additional baggage of some "star actor's" personal life.
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So I hope that was a joke to poke fun at the other whiners, etc. etc. etc.
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what i do not understand is where there is this great rift of understanding about anime. it is generally recieved as marvelous, and is generally classified as a genre because of a few key factors:
anime has much more imagination and thoughfulness than anything distinctly american in terms of animation
anime is not afraid to take cultural and subject-matter related risks
anime is very high quality, with accomplished artists putting more hours and frames into just average anime filmes than most american animators can claim.
so i guess people should actually watch anime and/or Lain, specifically, prior to making derogatory comments about it.
also, being that the slogan is "news for nerds. stuff that matters." one should observe the typical anime otaku (anime-lovers) would be considered nerds. so it matters to them. which i suppose, is a lot of slashdot.
uhh. thanks for posting about Lain.
ciao
So, you want a 2 line summary of something that isn't easily summarized, so people can get a very, very basic impression of the series (or whatever the topic is), and quite possibly the wrong impression to begin with?
And if you don't have the time to read the links, what are you doing reading the comments?
What you do not see is all the styles of anime and manga
influences that get left behind in Japan, because only
the "popular to western eyes" stuff gets carried over
commercially. Many titles that are made popular over
here look the same as the last best seller, because the
distributors are looking specifically for something that
will have the same appeal to their market as the last title.
Sometimes that even occurs as an opposite to a shows Japanese
popularity - "Battle Angel Alita" is considered to have had
a much more favorable response in the west than it did in
Japan, becuase the character designs were so different than
other popular efforts of its time.
Two of the great factors that are often missed in other peoples
perception of anime are one: That much of the character designs
are influenced by over a thousand years of established Japanese
paintings and drawing; and that much of the artistic style is designed to
be familiar to modern Japanese, one of the most homogenous societies
on present day earth. Because of factors like these, to a viewer that
has only a limited exposure to anime, it does all look the same. But,
as ones exposure increases, one can see the greater degrees of artistic
style, and understand the subtler nuances that are applied for effect on
a given storyline.
To say they all look the same, is kind of like saying all C code looks
the same...
Different anime OVAs, Movies, and series also reflect different trends
and fads that can affect artistic styles over the years.
Compare AstroBoy and Kimba the White Lion to Neon Genesis Evangelion
and Akira for examples of how styles change over many generations.
A better example might be the original Bubblegum Crisis vs. BGC 2040,
which is a retelling of the original story with some radical variations
in character design (at least it seems that way to many fans).
It is as easy for a fan to tell anime from the 70's, 80's, and 90's as it
is for us to tell popular music from the same timeframes.
For some anime fans, it is those subtle differences within the greater detail
that can make anime more compelling than what is seen as a haphazard style
in Hannah-Barbera. And it provides for an even more jarring experience when
that fan is faced with a suddenly distinct new artistic style.
Just as a fan of modern art can respond differently from a Van Gogh to a
Manet, so too does an anime fan from Ranma 1/2 to the Vision of Escaflowne.
What seems now to be a new trend in anime is to move away from the "cartoonish"
elements of character design, and to make the characters look either more
consistently 'human', or more generally Japanese in appearance.
Serial Experiments Lain, City Hunter, Perfect Blue, The Princess Mononoke,
and even Key the Metal Idol all base powerful storylines (more or less) on
the idea that these are regular people thrust into very unusual circimstances.
As for the most recent example I can think of as "diversity" in character design,
see if you can get your hands on a copy of Excel Saga. They use just about
every major character design ever thought up to effect in that series,
and thats just the first episode.
Uhm, is it just me, or does anyone else wonder what the deal is here? I am, (and many other readers, as evident from other posts), INCREDIBLY UNINTERESTED in this topic. If I want anime news, I'll go to anime.com or my local porn shop. Jesus.
I'd like to see the anime section replaced with something more relevant, like monster truck shows.
Possibly OT, I have to say how bewildered I am at the way American fans proudly use the term "otaku" in describing their Anime fandom. Do you have any idea of the connotations this word has in Japan?
Using "otaku" in the name of an animation con is like a target-shooting team calling themselves the "Shifty, Dangerous Paranoids Rifle Society."
I know of at least one college anime club that eventually wised up and took "otaku" out of their name, because it was scaring away the Japanese students they had hoped would join.
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You're misreading the comment. Tell me to look in a dictionary? Get a freaking clue about how the English language works, dickhead.
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I agree. So someone doesn't like s particular post or topic. Whoopie doo. Rob can choose to listen or not to listen. Personally I wish they'd do a wee bit of fact checking before posting some stories, the thesis story comes to mind. But journalism isn't about the truth, it's about manipulating us poor slashdot sheep until we're exhausted.
Yes, the effort to reply is about the same amount of effort it takes to edit your slashboxes to remove "anime" or "JonKatz" topics or whatever. Instead, they'll choose to spend that same amount of energy, if not more, to add to the noise as in a signal-to-noise ratio.
I don't think either topic will go away anytime soon anyways.
As opposed to simply NEVER seeing them, i'd like to have a section devoted to anime.
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why I have the Anime category filtered out.
(Why I'm reading this story and it's comments anyway is another lesson for another time..)
-Rob Ewaschuk
After every episode (except the last, ofcourse *duh*) it says "To Be continued", where Be is in Be Inc blue and red. The Navvies are also refreshingly non-Microsoft-like. Damn, I'd love to get my hands on that operating system *grin*.
Oh, don't EVER watch Lain dubbed. Sucks. Subbed all the way.
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Never underestimate the power of stupidity
To err is human, to moo bovine
i love the lain series, but don't scour the web for stuff about it all the time. thanks for posting this.
on a side note:
quit bitching. who has the right to say what can and can not be posted on slashdot. It's a news site. supposed CmdrTaco liked anime when he first started posting stuff on the site. HEY quit posting stuff about linux, this is an anime site.
For a bunch of people who claim to be open minded and all for free information and free exchange, you bitch about it WAY too much.
phew. screw karma...keep sending me the news.
xavii aka bob
Look, when I said "waste my oh-so-precious karma", that was the cue to mod that post down, not up.
For the last time, don't sniff glue and moderate!
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If I were Rob, I'd be reading this trash while humming the tune to "It's my party and I'll cry if I want to" happily to myself. I think it's pretty obvious by now...if you don't want to read about a topic...DON'T READ THE FUCKING TOPIC. This is a simply concept, one would think.
I laugh everytime I read a comment from some half-assed imbecile that actually took the time to open up a topic they didn't want to read about, click the reply link, and explain how "inappropriate" the content is on slashdot.
Perhaps someone could enlighten me..what, pray tell, is appropriate content here? News for Nerds, Stuff That Matters....seems pretty broad...whatever that nerd Rob feels is news, and whatever matters to him...
Or no more articles by that lame CmdrTaco dude?
/. account. Yes, it requires you to not be an Anonymous Coward anymore, though, as a registered user, you can still choose to post as an AC so that shouldn't matter to you one bit.
... There's no step 3!
Easy!
Step 1: Create yourself a
Step 2: Go to the user prefs, and select to not show any Anime items and/or anything from CmdrTaco.
Step 3:
Apple references aside, is that so hard? Guess not. Go out and do it. Please.
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Never underestimate the power of stupidity
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If you filter, why are you here? If you have nothing to add about complaints about the article, maybe you should email CmdTaco. However complaining about a article not discussing the article it self should be OT
This post is OT
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