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New TLDs Proposed To ICANN
MemeRot writes: "ICANN has a list here of the new TLDs that have been proposed, along with the companies that have proposed them. The applications haven't been checked to be complete, and ICANN still has to decide whether they're going to allow multiple proposals by a single applicant. Still, this is the list of all possible new TLDs and you will be happy to notice that many people are proposing common sense ideas whose time seems to have come - .sex, .xxx, .kids, and .wap. The current target date for completing any negotiations with registry sponsors and registrars is 31 December 2000." I don't see ".dot"! C'mon!
Another thing ... even if the creation of .xxx or .sex came about ... I see no reason why a commercial sex site would do that ... automatically gets into blockers and such ...
Then there's the wonderful idea of regulating the domains ... ahh yes ... .org is for non-profit orginizations only ... right? Whoa hold on there what's slashdot.org ... ohhh yeah ... commercial news site.
So here's my proposal ... I say GOODBYE ICANN ... and hello FREECANN ... I have no idea how to get something like this off the ground, but imagine a distributed database that linked domains for ... let's hear it ... FREE ... and anyone could add them ... we'll call it First Come ... First Serve ... and screw 3 letter limit I say we make .news .stuff .linux ... it will be like USENET And IRC And FREENET combined into one ...
Lost ya? okay IRC ... There's regulation services that hold channels for you ... but it's still first come first serve ... if they decide to not use the channel the service is ended ... then theres USENET ... a bunch of alt.whatever.sex and everyone knows by the name what the newsgroup has. Then theres FREENET the unregulatory shared filesystem that anyone can join and view ...
I say we make it happen ... FREE THE NET!
Ignore the "p2p is theft" trolls, they're just uninformed
Yeah, that .three33 stuff is strange since they
have it again in Chinese (Japanese too?) as .sansansan. I wonder if three has any significance, as do, say four (death) and eight (luck/fortune, though that seems to be more the case in guangdonghua, aka Cantonese).
As for enforcing the use of these TLDs, someone will probably have to figure out what would and wouldn't be allowed in a .kids kind of TLD, and all of this will take time and money, but those costs could just be passed on to people who keep complaining that the web isn't perfectly sterile and empty of thought - in other words, let them deal with it. An occasional check-up to make sure a .kids site hasn't turned into kiddie porn is all it would take to enforce this (and there are probably lots of people who would do this for free). If things get too restrictive, people might just realize how silly this nonsense really is.
There is no need to force any adult site to move to a special TLD. Many would probably do so voluntarily, just like many take precautions to keep people from "accidentally" viewing porn. It's good PR to look like you care about protecting underage people from nakedness, just like how beer and cigarette companies pretend to discourage children from using their products (although they are probably under pressure to do that). I'm sure a .sex TLD would be quite popular with adult sites anyway - everyone would want a domain with their favorite type of sex. The added bonus is that people could finally use the internet as it was intended by blocking all but the .sex sites.
Actually, someone suggests just that here. But trademarks conflict sometimes... the same name in different industries or different countries. So it'd either have to be hierachical (company.industry.country.tm) or it would have to include its full address (company.road.zipcode.country.tm).
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You know it makes sense.
All claims to other tlds should be thrown in the bin.
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when the time comes that you cant even register bigfathairychickswholoveskinnydudes.com .... its a sign that more tld's are needed
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The list is not complete as one of the submitters list says "other portions of application claimed confidential"
.eviloverlord, .takeovertheworld, & .resistanceisfutile, and they don't want to spoil their "surprise" for us just yet. But they could have saved everyone the hassle and just used .microsoft :)
I was wondering about that. If their business plan revolves around secret tlds--well, that's even more stupid that the cuecat nonsense.
Or perhaps it's
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I just use google's "I'm feeling lucky" for everything... Then you don't have to remember a TLD and you don't end up going to a pron site when you meant to go to the real white house. I think there were unlimited TLDs then people would be forced to use a search engine for everything and names would have less value. Still there is so much marketing and demand out there for ".com" that it will likely always remain a tight space.
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I'm surprised to see very little mention of the fact that you can choose your registry. With projects like OPENNIC available to us, we have much more choice than we think. Of course the great challenge is getting an "alternative" domain name system accepted, but this can be done on a server-by-server basis. Alternative DNS systems can co-exist with the mainstream and gain influence until we can overturn the current, corrupt, and f**ked up system.
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I think that they should ease up on .int instead. Int is for international organizations formed by a treaty, that's OK, but then, what is meant by an internation organization is then defined to mean only inter-governmental organizations. I'll claim however, that it was never the intention of those who wrote the international law on treatises to come up with a general definition for "international organization". Now, the reason why I'm whining is that YMCA and ESA are not inter-governmental organizations, but yet they've got .int domains. Ain't fair. :-)
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Why should a company only get one TLD? It doesn't need to be three letters long... Let's just open it up and register it the way the domain registrars are set up.
1) Leave the domain structure as it is; it's heirarchial; anyone is free to expan beneath their current domain as much as they want.
2) Come up with a NEW lookup service for the WWW. DNS was *NOT* invented for the WWW. IT was not designed with this kind of use in mind.
.home (ianbicking.home -- only registration by individuals of their own name or variation on their name... maybe a different TLD, though... .person)
What about all those John Smiths? Peter Muellers? You'd have to append a number as 4th level domain, which will look ugly:
344.john.smith.home
Yuck! Lots of people want homepages with their nicks in the name:
1.cmdrtaco.home
Those names make a fine hierarchy, but they look butt-ugly... (IMHO) And if you want to visit a person's homepage, you would again have something that you cannot memorize: a number (given that you have no problems with the name itself).
I think the ICANN would do well bringing some order in the current 'Domain Chaos' before adding new Domains. I'll give you some samples. In Germany every Domain has the ending '.de'. In England or Israel you have endings like '.co.uk' or '.co.il' for companies and other endings for other Institutions, which is actually the best Solution and should be used in every country. The U.S. don't even have an own Domain (okay, there is '.us', but there is hardly somebody using it), so they use '.gov' for Government and '.edu' for educational Instituions, which is unfair as compared to other countries. '.gov' should be available for the UNO, NATO and other similar institutions. The ICANN must invent a fair system for Domains toface the Future.
Make the number of TLDs unlimited.
You could register under any TLD you wanted.
The catch: you can't own the TLD and can't stop someone else from using it.
So if I registered "FUJINON.BINOCULARS", somebody else could register "KOWA.BINOCULARS".
The reason people register more domains than they need is that second level domains under ".COM" are a very limited resource and therefore much more valuable than the registration fee. Talk to any business consultant and you'll find strategic cybersquatting is standard business practice.
If second level domains where many thousands of times more numerous then the value of any one is that much less. Thus while a domain like "ebusiness.com" is valuable under the current system, the name "acme.ebusiness" would be worthless except as functionally as an identifier for your enterprise.
While the root servers may have to be rearchitected, this solution would be transparent to all domain clients.
The biggest problem I could see is with TLDs that are synonymous with a company (e.g. ".IBM"). I'd say those folks could stay under "IBM.COM", or could register several second level domains under ".IBM", such as "computers.ibm" and "services.ibm".
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.dubai, as recommended by "Dubai Technologies"? .kids, suggested by both "DotKids, Inc." and ".KIDS Domains, Inc.", among others? .africa?
This is just the same old tired crowd of cybersquatters, speculators and egotists waiting for ICANN to fire its gun into the air.
While we'd appreciate the free book, I think you may be the one who needs to be brought up to speed if you think that there is a technical barrier to running several new TLDs. Name.Space has been operating a registry for 500+ new TLDs for 4 years now with no complaints from BIND. The FUD that we used to see from the likes of NSI about new TLDs breaking the internet is just that: FUD. There are thousands of domains operating in these new TLDs without a hiccup. You can see them for yourself by pointing your DNS servers to 209.48.2.11, 206.86.247.30, or one of Name.Space's 7 other globally diverse nameservers. Several ISPs have made the switch. Name.Space _IS_ the sort of alternative root system that people have been asking for on Slashdot everytime this pops up. If enough people express interest in a new domain which is generic and useful, then Name.Space will add it to the root. It's that simple.
Name.Space does not assert exclusive 'ownership' of the new TLDs, only a right to publish under them. It may look like a land grab when placed on a list of land-grabbers on that ICANN site, but it most certainly is not.
As for your point about domain-squatting vultures,
Name.Space doesn't support domain squatting or registrations on famous names. Name.Space will not allow a domain to be resold. Which domains are Name.Space squatting on?
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There's already a .at (Austria), go to town...
With new TLDs, every company is going to register in any TLD they can. This will lead to exactly the same problem.
This is exactly what will happen if TLDs are brought in 1, 2, or 3 at a time, with totally meaningless three-letter names. This is one of the strongest reasons why Name.Space has pushed to open up hundreds of new TLDs, with meaningful extensions. If you decide to make TLDs which are actually specific enough to do their job of segmenting the domain space, then you need lots of them.. The more specific, the more you need.. And there is no reason not to add hundreds of them. No reason at all... This is probably the only way will avert a landgrab and a goldrush in the new domain space.
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.movie (since every movie wants its own domain name... cell.movie, excorcist.movie, etc.
buy.movie would be dumb, though, and I'd hope they'd keep them out. Maybe .film, definately not both) .museum (field.museum) .law (kurneysmithjones.law or something) .sex (obviously) .game (starcraft.game, etc... only actual games, not sites about games) .coop (wedge.coop) .home (ianbicking.home -- only registration by individuals of their own name or variation on their name... maybe a different TLD, though... .person) .alt (free for all! But it can't mirror any other TLD)
Ones that might be good are:But .web, .dvd, .pro, .biz, .wap, etc., are simply dumb. They are totally ambiguous -- how do you know if something should be a .com, .biz, .ecom, etc? I would be rightfully concerned if I had mybusiness.com and someone else registered mybusiness.ecom. The other TLDs have to actually mean something, and be exclusive of the generic online-business/zine/community/whatever that is .com/.org/.net. If someone registered mybusiness.hotel, it wouldn't really matter to me.
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They don't even mean anything anymore. .GOV and .EDU are the only correct TLDs anymore.
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Companies who wanted to farm TLDs would just spin off many microcompanies. It's cheap to be a microcompany.
What definition of a 'company' would you use? SEC "C-Corporation"? LLC? Aunt Gertrude's Bead Jewelry Enterprises? How about international definitions of companies?
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OpenNIC, the Democratic Name System, has a .null TLD that is often compared to alt. of Usenet.
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...the new web browser feature to block out DNS entries with specific TLDs. I don't know about you, but I redirect all the damn ad pages to 127.0.0.1 in my /etc/hosts file (that is, E:\WINNT\System32\drivers\etc\hosts, hehe). Doubleclick should be forced to use the TLD of .ads. That way, we can block them out at will.
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Well, if we let commercial sites use .org, then commercial porn sites should be allowed to use .com or .org too.
Remember that the purpose of names is to make hosts easier to remember, instead of using numbers. It makes it easier to find things, not easier to block things. If I have a not-specifically-sex site, and I post a rant that contains the word "fuck" too many times, or a raytraced picture of a simulated woman with big bouncy hooters, am I going to have to worry about the government telling me to move my site to another domain? I better not.
This TLD stuff is not a replacement for filters and ratings. It is not mneumonic purposes only!
BTW, is it just me, or does .xxx seem stupid? .sex is much better, since it is descriptive. "Sex" refers to reproduction and the enjoyable sensations that mother nature gave us to trick us into reproducing. Whereas "XXX" just refers to an obsolete rating that the MPAA used to assign. My guess is that most people who are looking for porn, are completely uninterested in the MPAA.
"Yeah, everything on this site is XXX. We ran every JPEG by the MPAA, and they said that none of them qualified for an R."
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ICM Registry, Inc. wants both .kids, and .xxx, and nothing else. I am sure congress is going to have a field day with this one.
.aids? .shoes?
The whole point of the DNS is to create a hierarchial naming system. If the roots of the hierarchy are going to be this numerous, it defeats the point of having a TLD at all.
What is needed is for the people buying domain names *cough*corporations*cough* to stick to the suitable hierarchy. Owning ford.org is perfectly legitimate if I happen to run the Betty Ford center. Try to fix the system before you destroy it altogether.
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Yes, but the entry requirements are rather high. You have to be an organization founded/recognized by international treaty.
My dream is to have 31337.int.
Would require a little more pull than I have right now though...
(by the way if there are any major world leaders reading that would be willing to help me out, please email me)
This brings up the issue of typo TLD squatting. Maybe I don't like Apple Records so I register apple.recodrs with a bunch of FUD about them. However, there's no advantage to having apple.recodrs over, say, spple.records, so it's not any worse than the current system in terms of typo squatting (though it's not any better either). I haven't been bothered too much (or bothered at all for that matter) by typo squatting so far.
Why put any limit on the number of tld's? If a company or organization or whatever is willing to sponsor a tld and act as the database for looking up tld addresses etc then why not let them? Just make it so one company can't own more than one tld.
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Not to say that it makes it any less stupid.
That's it!
.etc TLD?!
Why isn't there an
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As in New York City? What happened to .ny.us.whatever?
For the most part, the pther requests seem even and measured, thoguh I might urge some consolidation (eg, having both .sex and .xxx is a bit redundant; same goes for some of the other categories)
But Name.Space looks like the largest group of domain-squatting vultures I've seen. I'm thinking they should be unilaterally rejected just to prove a point.
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.c0m and .n3t should do it :)
This is just like television, only you can see much further.
Why should they pay you anything?
It's your silly broken software..
The world changes.. Deal with it.
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.dot is there -- it's under the section proposed by JVTeam, LLC. So if .dot becomes a TLD, how do you register slashdot? Is it slashdot.dot or slash.dot? I prefer the former, then you can register dot.slashdot.dot and slash.slashdot.dot. Too bad no one's proposed a .slash TLD; then you could have slashdot.slash and dot.slashdot.slash.
.god domain hasn't made it into the proposed lists. Anybody know what gives there?
BTW, I notice that Joe Baptista's
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What we've aparently got now is ICANN creating a horde of mega-squatters who can afford it. And now that we've finally gotten control of the registry away from NSI, we're going to have a whole bunch of little registrar monopolies shooting up offering domains under their space. (Excepting those that just want it to have their own TLD just for them). You can bet that they aren't going to be as competitive as the ones offering .[net|org|com] are right now.
The big companies will just buy company.*, which defeats the point. If you actually manage to buy Microsoft.sux before they do, they'll just sue you into oblivion anyway.
Lastly, there's alot of software out there that validates hostnames by some pretty specific rules. 4+ character TLDs with dashes and numbers are going to break all that. Are the companies that just bought .my1st-tld going to pay me for the time it takes to fix those checks in my company's software?
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how would you tell someone that your URL is dot.dot.dot without spelling it out?
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Some of these just seem silly. Actually, a lot do...
.org isn't big enough for 'em?
.com. I'm not sure what that would be, short of legislative action, however, and that'd have to be done through treaties or agreements between all registrars...
".three33" ?
".air" -- what, now industry-specific domains?
".cool" -- Um, right.
".museum" -- why, oh why, would they need an entire TLD ? What,
A lot just seemed aimed at grabbing a piece of the pie -- especially coming from those corps that appear to be registrars, and choose a TLD named after themselves. And the folks at Name.Space, well, my thoughts on them aren't exactly polite...
But some are interesting.
".global" -- makes sense for multinats orgs/corps.
".mobile" -- Hrm. Perhaps.
".kids" -- Hm. If they have a decent TOS/AUP requirement to allow booting the obvious kiddie-porn domains...
".xxx" -- if there's an incentive for porn operators to use it, rather than just
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At least give me credit for using the DIV tag to properly display the mailing address! All those other ninnies did was cut and paste!
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With new TLDs, every company is going to register in any TLD they can. This will lead to exactly the same problem.
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Don't they realize that no matter how many TLDs they add, companies are still going to buy them. Amazon will buy amazon.stupidfuckingtld if they have to just so that nobody else has it.
.ORGs and only ISPs could have .NETs, but that won't happen any time soon.
The real solution would be to limit the number of domains that people can have, but we know that won't happen, and if it did it would only hurt smaller people and the big companies would find a loophole in it.
I wish we could make it so that companies couldn't have
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I think there should be a
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then you have to worry about the pronounciation. slash dot dot (sounds like colon slash slash, yes?)
.dot, it would be http://slashdot.dot as in:
That's the whole point. When slashdot was first around you couldn't go to www.slashdot.org (well... it redirected you to remove the www). The whole point of the name "slashdot" is the annoying pronounciation. Say the whole URL out loud:
H T T P SLASH SLASH SLASH DOT DOT ORG
If he had
H T T P COLON SLASH SLASH SLASH DOT DOT DOT
Whoa! Cool! h-t-t-p-colon-slash-slash-slashdot-dot-dot. Say that 3 times fast!
Will these companies have exclusive rights to those TLDs? If not, this seems kinda stupid. Not that having exclusive rights to a TLD makes much practical sense, either.
.net, .com. and .org at the same time. If we add more TLDs, then these same people will buy up as many names as they can.
Right now, people who are aggressive in their pursuit of domain namespace will grab
If they don't you can bet that whoever grabs disney.sex or microsoft.sucks will get slapped with a suit.
We'll see even more namespace squabbling, even more lawsuits, even more domain grabs, and the only ones to really benefit will be marketdroids pitching TLDs to clients.
Bah!
If we're going this far, why not just hand the whole thing over to RealNames and do away with TLDs altogether.
Humbug!
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I cannot imagine any company or organization using exclusively .wap
What I found disturbing was that ICM Registry, Inc. proposed the pair: .kids and .xxx .
Uhmmm... What exactly does their business plan entail? (shudder) No, nevermind, I don't want to know.
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