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UNIX Internship Programs?
startingInUnix asks: "I went to my college career fair today looking for a summer internships. Alot of the companies there (and on the web) that have internships are mostly Microsoft camps. I'm having trouble finding any place that offers UNIX positions. Does anyone out there have a business that looks for UNIX interns?"
The U.S. National Labs offer lots of internships/positions for computer scientists involving Linux or Unix. Here is an incomplete set links for the curious:
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Many universities have bulletin boards available for posting job offers; Check not only with the folks who handle internships and such but also the college of computer science -- if you can post closer to where the folks you want hang out, all the better.
As for what a student's looking for... well, needless to say, it depends. That could vary from experience and technical skills to contacts or simply money for college. Be sensitive about the differences in the cost of living between your location and where you hire your interns from -- my cost of living literally quadrupled when I went to Sunnyvale. If you can provide your interns with housing outright, such will doubtless be most appreciated.
If you are a programmer, at least, look at companies that develop so-called embedded systems. The operating systems of choice in this industry are UNIX-like: WindRiver vxWorks and LynuxWorks LynxOS/BlueCat Linux. Indeed, many embedded designs are starting to utilize plain Linux.
What are embedded systems, you ask. Damn smart question - you should be proud of yourself. Fact is, probably most programmers in the world are actually developing such systems. Basically, any electronic/computing device that is not a conventional computer. For instance, gaming devices, cd-rom drives, DNA analyzers (I do that), telecommunications devices, power utility switches, routers/bridges, medical instruments, .. ..
Keywords to look for would be firmware development, embedded systems programming, real-time development.
Best part of it all is that you'll probably get to deal with some of the most interesting development environments that exist. For instance, we developed our said DNA analyzer using ObjecTime, and going forward we'll be using Rational RoseRT - tools that automatically generate C++ code based on the model that you visually draw! (You just fill in the "meat" of each function - the action that takes place in a transition, say). Logic Analyzers, emulators/simulators, virtual platforms, cross-compiler environments -- this is all the stuff that teach you everything about computers - and nice OS designs.
Now, if you were not actually asking as a programmer, but as a systems administrator or other IT drone, here is the (more limited) tip: Go for the back ends - i.e. web servers, IBM's Net.Commerce development, DNS/Firewall administration, that type of stuff. But those are not real people - the I.T. world is just to stuffed with "management types". If you still have the choice, look for software/firmware development environments - much cooler people and more casual atmosphere.
In any case, I can empathize with you. I graduated in May, but prior to that, there were about three companies looking for UNIX interns as compared to over 100 looking for those who knew VB/VC/MS-SQL/ASP/etc.
I could not justify my existence if I were a turkey farmer. Would I terminate myself? Undoubtably, yes.
If you have any UNIX experience, your basically hired, turnover is high.
And they train you, since they need things done in certain ways, UNIX and networking basics.
Tech support is your key into higher paying jobs, they love to promote from within.
Ask if they do Internships, we hired 3 after they graduated.
NOC's are a little hidden gold mine. I get to take my friends who are NT tech support, and convert them to the dark side. :)
The pay is better too.
-Brook
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My company will be setting up a number of interships.
What I would like to know is what kinds of experience college students are looking for in an intership?
Who needs to be contacted at the college to set up an internship?
What other information should I be looking at while planning on offering interships?
Lando
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FedEx uses hundreds of interns, mostly in Unix-related positions.
The pickings are best in Memphis, Orlando, and Colorado Springs.
They have been known to bring the same person back for more than one internship.
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EMC has internships that are Unix-based, so if you're interested in working in Massachusetts or North Carolina (Research Triangle Park), there are possibilities. You can look at www.emc.com.
(If you don't know, EMC is the leader in very-high-end storage solutions. We're talking over 17 terabytes in one box right now. And yes, I do work for EMC--I use Linux at my desk.)
Of course, probably any large high-tech company will do Unix interns. As others have suggested, you can search the job sites. If you have a particular geographic area in mind, find out what companies are there, and contact them.
WorldCom I know for a fact is looking for a strong background in Unix. 3M and Lucent are some others.
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Cisco is always hiring - and we have a large
population of *nix geeks - Linux is very popular
internally and of course there are tons of sun boxes...
First they burn books, then they burn people.
http://www.oracle.com/college/jobs_sam. html
and the Internships page itself:
http://www.oracle.com/college/jobs_int.html
Disclaimer: I work for Oracle and like it here, so I am probably biased!
Part of the Second American Revolution!
We're looking for FT positions, but we do take a number of interns.
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We're based in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada, so a relocation would be required unless you wanted to be sales. Halifax is a cool city for geeks anyway. Lots of broadband, and there are apartment buildings that are connected to our office building via pedways.
They might have something at Hotmail. Or maybe their Linux portation group. Heck, now they might be able to get you in at Corel.
RealNetworks has a fabulous UNIX development story. We always need interns to do software development and QA. mail us!
BTW: RealPlayer for Unix is available today for the following platforms: Linux i386/PPC/Alpha, Solaris, Irix and AIX, and RealServer is available for Linux/i386, Solaris, Freebsd, Irix, HPUX, and AIX. RealProducer is available for Linux/i386. I know all these projects could use the help of good interns. download them here.
Thanks,
RealNetorks TLC Techlead && RealNetworks Server Devlead.
Since for all practical purposes all silicon design tools run exclusively on *nix, a very good starting place is the chip-design industry.
At last word Intel was hiring anything that wasn't down to room temperature, although that may have to do with their working-environment reputation. Still, there are lots of other companies that design ICs.
ISPs are another possiblity.
Lacking <sarcasm> tags,
Glad to see you're willing to help out a newbie, and aren't cynical or bitter like some of those linux zealots over at slashdot.... oh, wait a sec...
Neil..........
I used to have a cool sig.
This summer I was 14 and I was looking for a cool Linux job. asked at VA and ended up working in a summer internship with them. It rocked! :)
I'm sure my company would hire you.
www.speedyclick.com
We are lookig for new perl/mod_perl guys.
They hired me and I'm just a 17 year old punk
with an ego.
;-)
And yes we are all linux all the time.
I know I'm going to hell, I'm just trying to get good seats.
Maybe it's because you're asking for SKILLED people? How about this: Looking for students who want to program in C and learn UNIX.
The reason they're doing the internship is because they want to pick UP the skills. I've taken 2 semesters of C, I've been playing with Linux for years, but I couldn't apply to your internship in good faith because I don't consider myself 'Skilled' in either.
Later, Erik Z
Democrats or Republicans. They are both taking us to the same place and they are not afraid of us anymore.
Hmm, nothing about internships. Let's try the yellow pages for 'Human Resources' and get a phone number.
:-)
That's interesting, there's nothing human in there.
Later
Erik Z
Democrats or Republicans. They are both taking us to the same place and they are not afraid of us anymore.
Everyone knows? I think IBM's interest in Linux is sincere. IBM have
been the UNIX vendor whose participation in the UNIX standardisation
process was most genuine and least Machiavellian, and I think they see
Linux doing what AIX failed to: provide a kind of default standard for
UNIX. It would be great if some of their administration tools were to
migrate over to Linux...
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I know for a fact that freshman/sophmores in college START at $16+/hr (or often higher) at most of the bigger shops (SGI/HP/IBM/etc). After a summer or two, or just more school experience, it's fairly standard for software/UNIX interns to get $20+. And my experience is in the Midwest. I can't speak for anything out East/West (but its probably higher)
I was working at NASA Ames Research Center a few years ago as a Unix Sys Admin and I remember that there were probably 5 or 6 interns working in our area. Two of the local community colleges had deals with the center where interns would get to work at Ames, get college credit, and get low wages (like $7/hr at the time. Might be more now). Looking quickly on the web, I see that the program has a webpage at: http://interns.arc.nasa.gov
The main NASA webpage has a section for student jobs, but it's buried under some huge URL.
It might not suit you because of the location (Silicon Valley) but if there's a NASA location near you, chances are that they would have a similar program. It's not great pay, but what company are you going to go to where you get to work with HUGE supercomputers:
Crays, IBM SP-2, SGI O2000, and hundreds of terabytes of online tape robot storage.
(that list was much more impressive in 1996, I swear!)
It's definitely an interesting place to work for your $7/hr. (1996 wages) They'd end up hiring most of the interns that were interested.
Keine eier
You can do your part to help this --
Bring your hotshot resume, get them interested, discover they're in bed with Microsoft, offer your disapproval and leave.
Tech companies these days have to work hard to snatch up able graduates. Other kinds of pressure might not phase them, but this kind is real.
As an aditional point, companies that produce Unix operating systems often receive internal pricing (i.e. supposedly cheaper) on their O/S licenses, so you'll find that Unix is still greatly used in these shops.
I interned for a year at HP, and although we were far removed from the O/S group, the server platform of choice was, of course, HP/UX.
Persevere with your search for a Unix position - big shops are still a great way to learn Unix - and the skills and knowledge you'll acquire can easily be applied to Linux (with a few caveats).
- A good place to start might be http://jobs.hp.com/.
- Agilent is a spin-off of some HP divisions, they also take interns: http://jobs.agilent.com.
- Finally, HP spun off it's Mechanical Design Division into CoCreate Software, whose jobs page is here.
Good luck!The only jobs I can get are Unix jobs! Please, I'd love to intern at a company playing with Microsoft stuff. Where are you trying to intern?
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I work for Merck. We have thousands of sites around the world, and we are actually having a hard time finding UNIX interns. I live and work in New Jersey ( our headquarters ). If you are in the area or would like me to pass along you resume, email me at work. peter_perfetti@merck.com
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- For example, Unix copied the DOS "more" command, but called it "less", because it didn't do as much.
- It doesn't matter if you type DOS commands all in capitals or not (so "MORE" and "more" do the same thing), but you have to be real careful not to hit the shift key when you type Unix commands, because the Unix guys couldn't figure out how to make it case insensitive.
- DOS has much better video games. For example, one of the best video games of all time, Doom, only works on DOS. It would be impossible to program a game like Doom on Unix, because Unix has something called a "colonel", which is kind of like an army officer that prevents prevents video game programers from using the full power of the hardware.
- DOS comes with a really great editor called "edlin", which was so powerful that most people weren't smart enough to figure out how to actually edit a file with it. In contrast, Unix had a really poor editor called "TeX". You need a special printer to use TeX, and it has to use special fonts. Its not user friendly at all.
- All the commands in Unix are really short, like "cp" instead of "copy", and "rm" instead of "rename". They had to do this because Unix can only use 300 baud teletypes (teletypes are kind of like typewriters), which are really, really slow. Computers that use DOS are much, much faster than computers that use Unix, so DOS computers are able to use something called a "terminal", which is kind of like a television, but with words on it.
- Unix computers are so unreliable that the people who made Unix constantly had to look at the directions. So, they put all the directions online, in something called "man" pages. On the other hand, DOS computers never break, so there was no reason to put any of the directions on the computer.
- DOS computers are made by the same company that makes Microsoft Word, so all DOS computers come with Microsoft Word pre-installed. You can get Microsoft Word for Unix computers, but its really expensive, so most people don't bother. But, Microsoft Word is the international standard for the exchange of text documents through email, so most Unix users aren't able to read email sent to them by DOS users.
I hope that I have explained to everyone most of the really important differences between Unix and DOS.Slashdot is jumping the shark. I'm just driving the boat.
When choosing a company to do an internship at, it's also important to define what your goals are. Do you want money? General technical experience? Technical experience handling midscale or enterprise level computing? Business experience?
If you want money or general tech experience, it might be better to start cracking the books and hacking the code on your own so you can focus on improving your own weaknesses rather than learning what you're assigned by your boss. Or, if it's business experience you want then you should focus on how much contact you will have with key decision makers in the company (and thus how much you will be able to learn from them).
OTOH, if you want tech experience handling larger UNIX systems then definitely go for your original plan and seek out the companies that use UNIX throughout their business.
Just look for an internet startup; a sizeable chunk of them use Sun, and a fair amount Linux. Plus the fact that whatever company you join will probably be out of business in a year won't matter if you just want to intern for a little while.
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UNIX may be old, but it's definately not a fad. Linux's currently popularity may be a fad, but it will still be around even after it's time in the spotlight has faded.
Although I know many people who predict the death of Linux in the next five to ten years, I still believe that Linux will still have it's place. After all, the various BSDs are still around, and they're based on a UNIX 10-15 years older than Linux!
You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
Hey. They adopt gnome. They work to make gnome better. They make StarOffice for Linux. They release StarOffice under GPL. this seems neither evil nor Linux-hateful
Currect me if I'm wrong here.
t /netkit-base.lsm | grep Description
/usr/sbin/*BSD*
/usr/games
Basic Unix history tells us:
*Some guys at AT&T wrote Unix
*Some guys at Berkely added and altered parts of it
*Some guys at Berkely realized that a lot of it had been rewritten, rewrote the rest, and declared it as being entirely University of California property
*Meanwhile there are other systems based on Unix System 5 and such
*Lots of cross-pollination happens
Anyway, my point is
*BSD itself is a complete rewrite of Unix*
therefore, there is no reason Linux cannot be considered a complete rewrite of Unix
(though my system has a lot of bsd code in it)
Here's a couple of places I noted BSD code:
lynx -dump ftp://ftp.uk.linux.org/pub/linux/Networking/netki
Description: Basic network tools, fixed and ported from BSD code.
ls
/usr/sbin/ftpd-BSD*
ls
adventure* canfield* gnomehack* phantasia* robots* wargames*
arithmetic* cfscores* gomoku* pig* rot13* worm*
atc* countmail* hunt* pom* sail* worms*
backgammon* cribbage* mille* ppt* snake* wump*
banner* dm* monop* primes* snscore* xsoldier*
battlestar* factor* morse* quiz* teachgammon*
bcd* fish* nethack* rain* tetris-bsd*
caesar* fortune* number* random* trek*
Stop using the idiotic non-word "alot". If that was on your resume, it would go straight into my trash can. Yes, grammar and spelling count.
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IBM has devoted itself to Linux/AIX/Sun development in ways you'd never think of, if you didn't read slashdot, where every week it's something new- either the linux watch, the interview with the head of the Linux Dev Center of IBM, all sorts of things.
Co-ops are hired all the time. If you're serious, I can put your resume' in with HR.
A host is a host from coast to coast, but no one uses a host that's close
You were saying, Orifice? Oh yeah, and somebody should have patented the power button, that was a great innovation too.
SIG: HUP
I just started an an intership working with Tru64 at Woldcom. Pretty exciting stuff
Hey, just wanted to let you know that SGI has plenty of UNIX interns throughout the year.
-Mason
Unfortunately, my company can't afford this right now or I'd be recommending it--and not just for the summer.
We are a Unix/Linux development shop with several development/QA machines (not to mention servers). The programmers are the only people who know Unix, so we get stuck admin'ing that side of things. There isn't much to do, but it adds up--plus when something goes wrong it can eat up a lot of programming time. What I want to do is have a student (even a bright HS student would do, otherwise a college person) come in in the afternoons or 3 days a week or something to do things like:
-rotate backup tapes
-add disk space
-cannibalize old machines to make some good ones
-massage the mail system into shape
-setup Samba for file sharing
Etc.
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If you're looking for a good intern position working with UNIX or Linux, and don't mind relocating to the west coast for a couple of months, then seriously try Intel (see http://www.intel.com/jobs/usa/students/)& lt;/a>
They've always got intern positions both for people who want to develop and/or administrate Linux and other UNIX types.
For students, they'll help finding housing and getting a car for the duration of the internship.
I'm a little biased since I've worked for Intel for over five years. It's always been nice to stay focused on UNIX systems and let other people deal with the Windows world.
(And yes, these opinions are my own and I'm not a spokesperson for Intel Corporation)
Try getting a job at your school. A lot of professors as well as various labs etc tend to look for people to admin their Unix/Linux systems without using up all their grant money. You wouldn't make as much but you'll get to grind your teeth on a lot Unix. :)
Web firms also tend to need Unix perople.
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1. Depending on the school, they may have summer job openings at the Computer Networking department. Many schools run *nix systems due to financial constraints. They can also be an excellent source of reference for later jobs. Trust me.
2. Check http://www.geekfinder.com to find out what companies are hiring, and give them a call. They may be looking for an intern. It never hurts to ask.
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Sun has a program called BoB. It stands for the best of the best. While you're in college, and just after you graduate, Sun invests in you by setting up a regimine of 70-90% training and the rest working with Sun people, shadowing engineers, etc. I'm sure there's info on the website, or you can contact the local team or the HR department. Also check out www.sunsandiego.com-- there are some engineering groups there if you're interested in hard core stuff.
And by the way, Sun is not "evil". Yes, perhaps I'm biased, but I don't think anyone that really knows the organization would think Sun is"evil".
I run linux on my Sun issued laptop-- and I know I'm not the only one. Unix excels at flexibility, so it's easy to integrate the systems. Use the right tool for the right job....
Oh, and as a bonus, they take the kids on a free plane ride one afternoon (one of the planes being flown by Thompson).
I'm a Student Affairs Director at an engineering school and send a number of my students to do unix internships - more, in fact, than to MS (though MS is more visible). Sun, and other big unix vendors, mostly - but some smaller firms as well.
We use JobTrak, as do many other universities. They have a stronger focus on students than Monster, and have a lot of jobs, internships that don't require experience (and jobs that do, for alums).
The universities like them since they provide feedback on how their students and alums fare and where they go. That's good because if we send a pile of students to Sun, we'd start talking to them and form stronger relations.
Heh.. moron. Clickitty click.
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Just make sure you know your C really well, and you should have a good chance - these places hire an awful lot of interns...
Here's a wacky idea: try going to hotjobs.com|monster.com, and search for jobs containing the words "unix" and "intern". Just a thought. Or here's a more complicated idea: search for jobs that contain the word "unix" and then contact those company's hr depts about possible internships. If you have trouble with either idea, just feel free to ask slashdot again.