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Details of the Napster-Bertelsmann deal have been dribbling out all week, and they're interesting. Micro-payment subscription models are now the talk of drooling CEOs everywhere, many of whom think that Bertelsmann head Thomas Middlehoff has saved the idea of profitable intellectual property. Bertelsmann is clearly mulling the possibilities of open-media business models as well. Has Middlehoff found the perfect compromise, or has he jumped into the Big Muddy? (First in a series.)

The creation of Napster was a true convergence, the meeting of cyberspace, pop culture, open media, intellectual property and emerging Net law. Napster's agreement to be eaten alive by one of the largest info-tainmnent conglomerates on the planet is a different sort of milestone, but a big one.

The Napster-Bertelsmann deal was hailed all over Wall Street last week as one of the most significant business moves in years. Execs are watching to see if there is a way for gargantuan multinationals trafficking in intellectual property to thrive and prosper in the hacker-shaped, chaotic culture of cyberspace.

"Free ride might be over" was one USA Today headline. So much for all you thieves and pirates out there.

If it goes through, says Business Week in its forthcoming issue, then Thomas Middlelhoff, Bertelsmann CEO "conceivably will rescue the concept of profitable intellectual property in the Information Age."

Middlehoff's response to this nightmare of easily-transferred digital goods, says Business Week: "Recruit the thief to protect the jewels."

This seems a bit premature. Whatever happens to Napster, Big Media' ongoing Net nightmare is far from over. The brawl between the distributed architecture of the Net and corporatism is just getting rolling. It's clear that intellectual property needs some saving, but not necessarily in the Bertelsmann mode. The notion that music-sharing was only a free ride, a temporal window in the mediasphere for greedy and amoral kids, is too simplistic, as is the idea that nobody ever has to pay for anything non-material again. Those who are sick of the raging wars over Net content are breathing almost audible sighs of relief at the prospect of this deal bringing about something positive.

In the short term, what's most likely to happen is that Napster will become a sort of AOL for music: sanitized, commercialized, subscription-organized, the "free" zone shrinking by the week.According to Business Week and other interviews, Middlehoff "idolizes AOL CEO Stephen M. Case as a prophet of the Internet." And Case isn't big on the idea that information wants to be free.

If subscription models evolve as the sane compromise to the free culture wars, fine. People have the right to choose their own economic models for acquiring culture.This model makes a certain amount of sense, especially for the hordes of middle-class Net users piling online, some of whom are twitchy about all the furor about theft and copyright. But it seems a temporary solution. In a world where all of the textual and visual information on the planet is being archived, the very idea of what intellectual property is is going to have to be resolved, and not just by Bertelsmann and its lobbyists.

This deal might make CEOs happy, but it's bad news on several fronts, including the much-invoked artists and their rights, the diversity and choice of music, consumers and their wallets, or the architecture of the Net itself. A lot of very good things have come from open media models of information and culture-sharing, and they are likely to be threatened or lost if the Bertelsmann Corporations of the world establish an almost total monopoly on information, entertainment and culture, a monopoly literally shattered by the rise of the Net. Many techies believe that can't happen. For every Napster that gets bought, they claim, a hundred will spring up. Maybe so. Personally, I think that's a gross under-estimation of corporatism's contemporary muscle, and it's influence on government, lawmakers, and law enforcement. There will certainly be file-sharing sites, but they will become a fringe, alternative media, existing in small and sparsely-trafficked corners of the Web.

The Napster/Bertelsmann pact is an almost textbook study in how modern corporatism -- late capitalism -- works to dominate, influence and acquire culture. Even though there free music sites -- Gnutella, and Freenet -- and people will continue to use them, AOL and other commercial sites have proven that millions of people will gravitate towards subscription models online if they are cheap enough and hook users up with enormous volumes of information and services.

As AOL merges with Time Warner, the control-and-sanitize model will become more ubiquitous, especially if companies like Bertelsmann pile on. In that context, the Napster-Bertelsmann hookup takes on a different hue -- as a blueprint of the strategy more and more multinationals will use in their ongoing effort to make up for lost time and commercialize the Net. Bertelsmann and the other companies have made it clear they will continue to go after any mini-Napsters that pop up. If they can't get them all, they can sure get the big ones. The shame here is that multi-nationals like Bertelsmann and AOL/Time-Warner are the only entities with the resources to fund and market those kinds of sites and services, develop the technology and the volume of information that could make commercial file-sharing sites work.

The details of the deal invoke the "Sopranos" more than the Net. Middlehoff is proposing to reshape Napster by lending the site $50 million -- pocket money -- and reserving the right to take an equity stake at a later date. Napster is supposed to use the money to develop technology and services designed to get users paying for music. If Napster behaves, says Business Week, Bertelsmann will settle its copyright infringement suit and ask other music and entertainment companies to do the same. If it doesn't, then there won't be a Napster. This is cooperation corporate style, sort of the way John Gotti might have done it, only there's no need for guns.

Middlehoff told a number of reporters last week that Bertelsmann wants to cooperate with rivals and turn Napster into a new kind of platform for downloading the entire range of media products, including books, films, and magazines from any company that wants to participate. Bertelsmann really has nothing to lose by going into business with Napster. The company acknowledged that it's aggressive campaign to brand music downloaders as pirates and to intimidate them into paying exorbitant rates for music has failed miserably.

For music lovers, though, the sense of betrayal was palpable. Messages poured into SaveNapster.com, reported USA Today last week. "I believe Napster's sole idea of the future was to be a part of the money-hungry record industry," messaged Jeff Margel of Northumberland, Pa.

It's impossible to know what Napster's motives really were, but the site had long been seeking help in its expensive fight against the music companies, right up to the moment they started cheerfully exchanging T-shirts with Bertelsmann officials in New York, portraying themselves as heroes and victims in the information wars.

Music industry analysts said it appeared that Bertelsmann's idea is for Napster to evolve into a two-tier, with both paid and free elements. Hank Barry, chief executive of Napster, has suggested that a monthly fee of $4.95 might be appropriate. AOL's $l9.95 price has also been mentioned. Napster would maintain a free, promotional component, but officials get vague when they are asked how a free service would differ from the membership one.

Other analysts, including some quoted by the New York Times, said that one plan under discussion includes adding unspecified "new technologies" that would impose a time limit on downloaded recordings. Non-members might be able to download digitized recordings which expire after a certain period, while members who pay their monthly fees would be able to download files permanently. Members might get other perks, like exclusive recordings from certain artists or the opportunity to pay for a higher-quality download that would work better on their personal CD's or MP3 players.

Until just a few days ago, Bertelsmann (whose major labels include Arist, Ariola, Arte Nova, RCA, New Talents, Windham Hill) was teamed up with the other big music and entertainment companies -- Sony, Disney, Universal, Sony, AOL/Time-Warner -- spewing legal warning notices, intimidating colleges and other institutions that permitted Napster and other free music sites to operate on their servers, branding music lovers and downloaders as pirates, filing lawsuits, hiring lobbyists to pass laws like the DMCA, and funding a barrage of spindoctors and publicists who successfully got the media to sound numerous alarms that a generation of obliviously amoral kids were steading ideas and wantonly ruining the very idea and sanctity of intellectual property.

Sony, Warner, Universal Music and EMI all said they would continue to pursue their lawsuit against Napster. Spokespeople for several of these companies, reported the London Financial Times said they felt they had to continue their struggle against free music in the courts, since there was nothing to prevent "Napster two, three or four" from springing up."

The other companies may be missing at least some of the point of Bertelsmann's deal: Napster/Bertelsmann could afford to play around for years with different models for music distribution, offering more music for little money in new ways. They could even begin re-building a culture of music acquisition.

But it won't be easy. A Pricewaterhouse Coopers survey released to USA Today Friday found that 75 per cent of U.S. music downloaders said they would stop downloading free music if they had to pay. The notion of free music suffered another setback this week. Listen.com, a music directory whose investors include the five major record labels and Madonna, bought the assets to Napster competitor Scour for $5.5 million. Music lovers are already checking out alternatives among the sites on some of the messaging systems, and on open sites like Songspy.com, which reported a huge influx of users in the wake of the Napter/Bertelsmann announcement.

Songspy, which has been online for a only month and claims 30,000 members, has pledged to stick to its policy of free music. "We don't want to betray our users like Napster did," promised Gavin Hall, Songspy's co-founder. Wonder if Hall will feel that way when Sony's lawyers come around in a few months, flex some muscle and suggest a "relationship."

Reading between the lines, Bertelsmann seems to be edging closer to trying to figure out how to commercialize the open media models that sprang from the open source and free software movements. As Lawrence Lessig pointed out in Code, the key to controlling and regulating cyberspace isn't law, but control of code. Regulation of cyberspace is possible, writes Lessig, but that regulation is imposed primarily through code. "What distinguishes different parts of cyberspace are the differences in the regulations effected through code. In some places, life is quite free, in other places more tightly controlled, and the differences in degrees of freedom are simply differences in the architectures of control -- that is, differences in code." Thus the money Bertelsmann is giving Napster is supposed to go to creating code that will make it possible to charge consumers for music.

In moving to acquire a file-sharing online pioneer like Napster, Bertelsmann may also be grasping what the other music and entertainment companies are still resisting -- the company that knows the most about and controls the most code will ultimately control the biggest chunks of cyberspace. Bertelsmann is taking a savvy approach: let the other big companies hire lawyers and try and stop the free music movement legally. If they can, Bertelsmann will still benefit. If they can't, Bertelsmann will be ahead of the curve and well-positioned.

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  1. I'm Surprised... by Gay+Mr.+T · · Score: 2
    Napster and the like are just using the same old .COM business model:

    1. Collect MP3s
    2. ?
    3. Profit

    The whole point of a .COM is to be bought out or IPO. After that, fuck it. I'm surprised the music companies didn't realize sooner that they could just buy out these companies for chump change and use them to prevent 'competitors' from becoming popular. It's not like they didn't want to be bought out.
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  2. Napster is neither Open Source nor Free Software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3
    Before the Napster move, the Open Source and Free Software realms seemed beyond the grasp of companies like Bertelsmann.

    I'm surprised nobody else has pointed out that the Napster software is neither Open Source nor Free Software. The Napster client is no-cost, but not Free in the sense we are used to talking about it. I have a hard time believing that the "new" Napster membership service will be any different from the existing service--closed system.

  3. Re:and was a major part of the Third Reich by anticypher · · Score: 5

    Bertelsmann was the publishing company that supported the ideals of the third reich in the late 20's and early 30's, and who rode the nazi party's wave to domination. The company was a bavarian family run business, and espoused self-censorship of their materials as being good, responsible citizens. During the nazi period, Bertelsmann were given all of their competitors properties, all those that were seized for being "subversive" of the state. Most of those competitors made their fortunes during the relatively free era of the Weimar Republic, by publishing books and magazines which touched on many subjects the nazis didn't like.

    After the fall of the Third Reich, Bertelsmann laid low and collected war reparations from the Marshall Plan, and generally tried to distance themselves from the horror of the war. They used the claim of being just a simple book seller, who by sheer coincidence ended up owning 100% of all publishing and distribution in Germany at the end of the war. They also took over most publishing in the occupied countries, using the power of the SS judges to "lawfully" transfer ownership. After the war, attempts were made in most countries to break the Bertelsmann connection, but with not any great effect, and those business connections continue to this day.

    During the 50's and 60's, Bertelsmann became the largest employer of ex-SS officers. Whenever an SS officer was released from prison after serving time for war crimes, Bertelsmann would send a car to pick them up, and they would automatically have a job with the company.

    Because of the large concentration of war criminals in the company, it has long been the focus of allied intelligence services. I've heard rumours that the company employs state of the art counter-surveillance at all their main buildings, and their internal communications are some of the most secure in the world.

    I've never worked directly on Bertelsmann's networks, but I've a few colleagues who picked up all their encryption and security experience there. The funny thing is they used Crypto A/G gear for all their inter-office communication because they all believed GCHQ/Echelon was watching them.

    More recently, another proposed BMG merger fell through, which generated surprisingly little press. It was the topic of discussion over beers a few weekends ago, and one of my drinking buddies from the Commission made the very cryptic comment "Those old nazis still have many enemies with long memories, and they are all in a position to keep Berty down". There was a young and naive crowd, the ones who don't believe in any conspiracy unless it is first seen on the documentary series "the X Files", who didn't catch on at all to that remark. But there were several older and more clued-in people who nodded imperceptibly and exchanged knowing glances.

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  4. Re:Napster is neither Open Source nor Free Softwar by pestie · · Score: 2

    I thought about mentioning that, too, but I figured I had caused enough trouble by ranting about Katz above. ;-) Since you brought it up, though, I have to admit that I'm a little surprised, too. Napster has, from very early on, been a purely commercial venture. It's been a risky one, that's for sure, especially since nobody has been able to figure out how to make it profitable yet, but this deal with Bertelsmann sure looks like a good start. But the bottom line is that Napster is just another profit-hungry corporation with no interest in Free Software or Open Source. They're not even friendly toward the Free Software and Open Source people. They're refuse to release details of their protocols and they got pissy when Napigator listed their servers. It's too bad that we in the Free Software/Open Source community choose to ignore these issues just because Napster gives us so much free-beer music.

  5. Depends on what the meaning of the word free is by Obscura · · Score: 2

    "But it won't be easy. A Pricewaterhouse Coopers survey released to USA Today Friday found that 75 per cent of U.S. music downloaders said they would stop downloading free music if they had to pay."

    Heh... if they had to pay 100% would stop downloading free music!

  6. Micropayments by g_mcbay · · Score: 3
    I hope these people realize that if they go with micropayments (I'd be all for that), its a one time charge PER SONG.

    If they try to implement a system that charges per-listen they are going to be as bitterly disappointed as the Divx people (Circuit City's DVD-ish format, not the codec)! Particularly since they are going to be competing with non-controlled open P2P networks.

  7. Re:$5.00 a month might be worth it... by DeadEye · · Score: 2

    I think your idea of micropayment might be much different from my (their ?) idea of micropayment. :) I've always thought it was the concept of making payments at small intervals, not necessarily small payments. For instance, buying one song might be a micropayment, since you are paying at smaller intervals when you pay for every song on a CD instead of for the whole thing, even if the end cost is the same. Or maybe they'll charge per minute of music downloaded... who knows. All this pay-for-play stuff scares me. Corporations would rather have us rent, lease, or pay-to-play for everything rather than owning anything. shiver

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  8. nobody will stop by kootch · · Score: 2

    it's like a drug. can't get it one place, look around, do some research, get it somewhere else.

    lets not forget that IRC, Hotline, Aimster, FTP's, and tons of other means of getting a "fix" exist.

    you really think the kiddies will decide "okay, I can't get it for free... but what the hell, i'll put the $5 a month on my parents credit card"?

    doubtful. one of their more informed friends will teach them how to use IRC just the same as that friend taught them how to use Napster.

  9. Re:I'm turning 30 soon.... by Open+Source+Sloth · · Score: 2

    Oh god dude, please, please, PLEASE, tell me you are shitting me!

    I for one will never grow tired of good new music. I play guitar, piano, harmonica, violin, viola and a few other instruments, and I'm always looking for new musical styles and new music in general. Not everything is good, for sure, but there is always something new coming along that is worth a listen.

    I'm nearing thirty myself (just turned 27), but I have no plans to slow down my musical interest at all. I find it sad when someone starts to take the view that you've proposed. I used to play in a few bands here and there. I still play the instruments I've always enjoyed, even though I don't have the time to dedicate to a band. And the reasons are simple.

    There are always those people around you, especially men, that as they age they hold on to that one shining moment in their youth. Usually it is the high-school jock that never got over that one game where he scored five touchdowns (Al Bundy anyone?). That was the high point of his life. And that's all he talks about or thinks about. Then there are the people like some of the guys I played with in bands. Rather than moving forward with their lives, trying new things, finding mates or whatever, they are still practicing those same old songs the same old way. They are the musical equivalent of that guy that's always talking about his great high-school football game. They can't let it go, they can't move forward. They keep talking about that one night when the stage lighting was perfect, the girls were hot, and the crowd was wild. Sure it was awesome, and I still look back on it with fondness. But I've moved on.

    I am a hard-core metal-head. But I always did like other genres as well. My bands were always hard, heavy, fast, and loud. But, since the demise of 'real' metal, I haven't sat around and pouted. I haven't whined about how there's nothing for me to do, nobody appreciates my music, blah, blah, blah. I moved on to the other things I always wanted to accomplish. I still collect music from that era, and many, many others (including classical (love Mozart!), American folk, and many others), and I still love to crank up the old guitar when I'm feeling a bit pissy (it's a great way to relieve stress), but I've moved forward.

    Since that time, I've gotten married, I've studied my ass off and learned computers, become the head of IT for a mid-sized business, and started planning for a family. The life I wanted when I was sixteen? No, not really. But would I have been happier with that life than the one I am living? Probably not. I found that I've struck a nice balance between that 'rock-n-roll' life that I always wanted, playing the occassional concert and still working on my music, and the life that I always knew I 'needed' to live, having a wonderful understanding wife and planning a family and a future for myself and them.

    Don't stop growing dude. I realize I started rambling here, but seriously, don't give up on there being something 'more' out there. Maybe the crap on the radio won't appeal to you (it never did appeal to me), but there is surely something out there that you would like. If nothing else, start looking backwards. You would be suprised at the similarities between some of the heavier/obscure rock styles and the really old classical styles of music. Anyway, just don't close up into a little shell of yourself. As one of my friends put it, if you start to do that, at some point you become a charicature of the person you wanted to be, and fail to be real. Be real, keep learning, keep seeking.

    Of course, having said all of that, you probably just think I'm some raving lunatic. Fair enough, I probably am.


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  10. I'll answer that rhetorical question! by AFCArchvile · · Score: 2
    "Has Middlehoff found the perfect compromise, or has he jumped into the Big Muddy?"

    For all I care about Mister Megalomaniac(TM) himself, he can go jump into the river Styx. I won't be there to hold his ankle, cause if I was, I'd push him down!

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  11. Radical Change in Business Model by StormyMonday · · Score: 5

    Currently, you don't download any music from Napster. That's their whole defense in the lawsuits. They simply act as an information broker, putting people who want to download music in touch with people who are willing to serve it up.

    With Bertelsmann in the act, the model has to change. Why should I put the latest Barfing Weasels CD on my server if somebody else gets paid for *my* bandwidth and disk space? Additionally, putting music on a server is legally questionable. If money gets involved for downloading, it becomes even more questionable. (Hmm. Perhaps part of the deal would be "amnesty" for people who put up songs for downloading through an "approved" broker? I expect a rash of lawsuits against people who allow downloads via "nonapproved" (ie, Gnutella) sites....)

    If Napster starts charging, the only way it will work is if they have their own servers with music on them. This is a good deal for Bertelsmann (and whoever else gets in on it); it's essentially free money. It's a good deal for users, who get guaranteed quality and availability. (Hope they've got a *big* pipe!) However, it changes the business model so totally that it might as well be a different company (as well as needing a lot of new hardware!)

    It can be a roaring success if they treat it right, particularly if the price is reasonable. US$5/month sounds about right. Unfortunately, the big multinationals seem to treat a new business area like a small child treats a kitten -- they love the idea, but then they squeeze it to death.


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  12. Napster Inc. has little control over Napster by yerricde · · Score: 2

    If the free(beer) Napster Network goes away, there are always other Napster-compatible networks running free(speech) server software and client software.

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  13. Mojo Nation and micropayments by Jim+McCoy · · Score: 2

    It is hard not to take this opportunity to point out that Mojo Nation (http://www.mojonation.net) is already out there providing most of what Bertelsman is demanding of Napster but with more flexibility and future potential. Check out our updated beta (version 0.919.0) for significantly improved download/publication speed and a much easier installation process. Win2k/NT support has also been added!

    jim

  14. Isn't this obvious? by Pickle · · Score: 3

    The only reason they agreed to this is that they know users won't use Napster if they have to pay, not because they think the micro-payment business model is viable. This model will kill Napster and there is no risk for them, Napster takes all the risk, pretty sweet deal. Any backward-thinking record exec would see this and get behind this agreement full tilt.

  15. Gnutella sandwich? by jTepp... · · Score: 2

    Okay, nobody is going to use Napster if they have to pay... The people saying that are just lying...

  16. $5.00 a month might be worth it... by EFGearman · · Score: 3

    for the privledge of downloading all the music I want. I mean when you think about it, that is pretty cheap all things considered. If I wasn't downloading all those songs, I might be buying a Cd every month only for the three to five songs on it I actually want. For $5 a month, that would be a pretty big savings. And since I usually only listen to music on my computer (no cd in car), I don't have to worry about mp3 players or anything like that. Now if they go with the $20/month price, things might change...

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    1. Re:$5.00 a month might be worth it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      You're right, $5 a month might not be so bad, but I'd bet that if the drooling record company CEO's have their way, they'll figure that they can get the most money charging about $25 a month. What they might do is have various membership types, just like your cell phone. For $5 a month, you could download 10 songs. For $10, you could get 25 per month. If you wanted to get unlimited songs, you might have to pay upwards of $25 each month. That would almost certainly drive a lot of users away from Napster, and subsequently make the service less valuable (fewer users, less selection).

      That's my two cents... ($.02 is what I'd pay for a Napster account)

  17. Hmmm. by sulli · · Score: 3
    Well, as I see it, Bertelsmann & Napster have a choice:

    1. Offer a "micropayment" service and fail
    2. Offer a flat rate service and succeed (think ASCAP as the model)

    Maybe, just maybe, they'll choose number 2, and we'll still have our music. If they don't, there will always be someone else trading pirated MP3s (think Gnutella).

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  18. And an easy way to stop it by sips · · Score: 2

    All it takes is me say paying the 5 bucks a month and then downloading everything and anything and burning archival CDs then I can give these mp3s to anyone I want through the conventional internet. Easy.

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  19. jingoism by alienmole · · Score: 2
    Now, there's the Fourth Reich, which is composed of German mega-media/tech companies

    How is this any different from the American or Japanese mega-media/tech companies? Sounds like simplistic nationalistic jingoism to me. I've accused you of being a troll before; add flamebaiting to that list.

  20. Why I have a problem with Katz by pestie · · Score: 2
    I hate to join the ranks of those shouting "K4TZ SUX0RZ!!11!" but dammit... this guy just doesn't fit in on Slashdot. It's clear he just doesn't have a firm grasp of the technology he's writing about. In this article, he refers to Gnutella and Freenet as "sites." They're not - they're programs, they're networks, but they have nothing to do with the web. We all know that, but Katz misses this distinction completely. It's bad enough that someone claiming to be a professional writer misuses "its/it's" as Katz does in this article, but that's a minor mistake and can be forgiven. What I can't get over is his use of a lowercase L in place of the digit 1 (one). What's this guy thinking? That's a habit one acquires from working on ancient typewriters which didn't even have 1 or 0 (one or zero) keys because a lowercase L or uppercase O would suffice.

    The sad truth is that Katz is a product of the old-school media he's so fond of criticizing. If he really wants to be a part of the Slashdot community, great - the more, the merrier - but he really needs to take the time to better understand the technology he writes about. I'm not saying the guy needs to become a hardcore coder, but he really needs to be able to grasp the difference between "the internet" and "the web," as well as the difference between a lowercase L and the number 1.

  21. YES! by bludstone · · Score: 3

    I agree with the AC. They are making you pay 5$ a month, and not putting ANY hardware costs on their part. They dont have to pay for bandwidth, (limited to napster.com) drivespace, support, or any of the other standard costs that come with an internet based service.

    I WILL NOT pay for a service that doesnt gaurentee a product. I could download an mp3 of "theme to ducktales" and get a recording of a women orgasming (this happened. was very funny)

    im not complaining about this file..

    Im more concerned with the lack of resposibility on the RIAA if they charge for napsters service.

    Wanna make money? fine. spam cd sales on napster, but unless you are going to set up an ftp or something w/ files i KNOW are correct, im not going to pay you a fucking dime.

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  22. Dumb, but the point? by Kooop · · Score: 2

    I could be making an ass of myself because I'm not very educated about the subject yet. But I think that kids are a lot of the people who download on napster. Therefore, if charges for Napster are only accepted by credit card, then they probably won't be able to pay the monthly fee. Maybe they think that they will then go out and buy the cd then, but I'm sure there will be some way of swapping mp3's... =)

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  23. That's myopic, Jon by Anne+Marie · · Score: 2

    In the short term, what's most likely to happen is that Napster will become a sort of AOL for music: sanitized, commercialized

    Jon, where have you been lately? Napster has always been heavily commercialized. Could you ever find any obscure bands? Occasionally. Could you always find forty copies of N'Sync's latest POS? Always.

    "Sanitized", you say? If that means the new Napster won't have mp3s with all the skips and blips we've come to hate, then by all means! This further corporate involvement in an already corporate enterprise can only improve the quality of the service.

    Kill Napster and let Gnutella thrive. Kill Gnutella and let its successor rise. Survival of the fittest, may we here surely witness.

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    1. Re:That's myopic, Jon by Crash+Culligan · · Score: 2

      Could you ever find any obscure bands? Occasionally. Could you always find forty copies of N'Sync's latest POS? Always.

      And this is Napster's fault how, exactly?

      Napster doesn't tell people what to make available over their service. The idea from the beginning was to provide a way for people to share what they had and wanted to share. In its own way, it was democratic, in that the more popular artists were going to be found on the service more frequently.

      Ironically, this made obscure bands obscure because they were obscure. You could fill your personal share-space with the highest quality recordings of the best garage-band indy music you ever heard. People who you play it for would instantly fall in love with it. But very few on Napster would know about it because, of course, they wouldn't know to look for it in the first place.

      In that way, I consider Napster a failure because of its fans. mp3.com at least makes an effort to point people at new kinds of music.

      "Sanitized", you say? If that means the new Napster won't have mp3s with all the skips and blips we've come to hate, then by all means!

      Yes, a fully corporate Napster might have better quality recordings. But then you might end up with other controls too, like prohibiting songs with 'obscene' lyrics and 'unwholesome' ideals. You'll end up with an online music service that's almost Disneyworldesque -- high quality, happy, bright, shiny, and totally intolerant to anything that falls outside the narrow scope of its preferences. What If Woodstock Were Held In Singapore.

      This further corporate involvement in an already corporate enterprise can only improve the quality of the service.

      As a corporate enterprise, Old Napster was almost anarchic, and willing to let users do as they please. They could post music from any source (not counting those pesky copyright problems), and download music from any user who had what they wanted. And they could do it for *free*.

      New Napster will be reorganized, regimented, and improved so that it actually makes money. Guess who it's going to make it from? If not the users paying fees to listen to the music, then from the artists paying fees to make their music available on the networks' play lists. And maybe both, if they're both willing to pay.

      I will agree on one particular point: Napster's time has come. And gone. I look forward to the Next Thing, especially if it's antithetical to big corporate involvement.
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    2. Re:That's myopic, Jon by alienmole · · Score: 2
      Napster has always been heavily commercialized.

      "Commercialized" is not the same thing as "popular". The songs available through Napster reflect the tastes of its users. If you couldn't find obscure bands, it's because Napster users either aren't aware of those bands or don't like them. (Aside from which, I've found that the "no obscure bands" objection is usually made by people who don't actually use Napster much, or don't know how to use it well.)

      The only connection this has to commercialization is that Napster user's tastes are heavily influenced by the marketing done by commercial music promoters. Still, the Napster song collection has an honesty and purity about it that hasn't been seen before: if an old song, or an obscure unmarketed song, appears on Napster, it's not because of marketing but because people actually like that song enough to keep it around and keep listening to it.

      If a corporation steps in and tries to change the way music is made available on a service like Napster, then I agree with Jon: the service will become both sanitized and commercialized, which is unlikely to be an unmitigated improvement.

      I'm a little disturbed that I'm agreeing with Jon Katz, though. I'll schedule a psychological checkup immediately, and write 500 lines of Perl as an antidote/penance.

  24. I'm turning 30 soon.... by mini-meme · · Score: 3

    and will have all the music I'm ever going to enjoy in mp3 format. seriosly, I look around the cubes and all the guys 5-10 years older than me are still listening to Rush! I'm thinking that after a certain point, new music is irrelevent. I will stick with my sonic youth, tom waits and stereolab, my bloody valentine, pumpkins, etc, for a long long time. I have a bunch of single entry albums from a lot of artists too, like garbage 'garbage', nirvana nevermind, portishead 'dummy', on and on.

    enough variety for sure. maybe I need never buy another album already.

  25. What's to stop me? by H3lldr0p · · Score: 3

    Okay, fine.

    Let's say that they go thru with this deal, and only the payers get to "keep" their music. What's to stop me, once I have paid for the service, from turning around and giving away copies of music I just dl'ed from them for free? Or for that matter, getting together with a group of other people, pooling our money and buying a subscription.

    Code? I'll make my own player after I exercise my right to backward engineer it.

    Encrypt it? I'll break it myself, make my key for decryption public, or find somebody who already has done one of the first two. Despite what DMCA says, I believe that circumvention of "copy controls" is just as legal as tinkering with own car. (Despite the many, many propritary parts and tools I now need to do that)

    It doesn't matter what they try. People will find ways to make it work for them.

  26. your only goning to get what they give you... by RogueAngel7 · · Score: 2

    "$5.00 a month might be worth it for the privledge of downloading all the music I want" There is only one problem with that line of thought. The only music they are going to be able to sell is music they own or liscence the rights to (otherwise its still piracy). I can already see each of the major label corp groups trying to start or otherwise aquire something similar to nabster for themselves. (they don't really play well with others) I doubt nabster will even be carrying music from anyone but TimeWarner or its subsidiary labels, and at that it may only be released singles or new and relativly unheard of new bands that the label is trying to push. While it may carry a significant amount of music, its probably not going to be what people expect. lastly, even if they do carry music that you're going to want I can't see a way for them to allow unlimited downloads with out taking a significant kick in arse financily compared to other forms of media.($5 unlimited d/l's over a $12-20 cd?) especialy if they carry liscenced music from other companies. It might end up being a pay for play type system as exists in radio. Either way the chips fall, I wouldn't trust the Bertelsmann(burgermiester) head Thomas Middlehoff any farther then i can throw him, uphill, in to the wind... the guy is a shark of the highest order. "You have a generation that's smart and rich and one that's stupid and poor but delivering the real profit," - Bertelsmann CEO Thomas Middlehoff on the 25 to 30 something generation as quoted in a usa today article. http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/review/crg 608.htm

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  27. Bertelsmann's and Intellectual Diversity by vergil · · Score: 3
    In my experience, the bigger the media conglomerate, the blander the product. According to the profit-tinted perspective of media corps, safe and simple is an axiom for succesful.

    Consider, for instance, a sampler of Bertelsmann's magazine portfolio in the U.S.

    American Homestyle
    Family Circle
    McCall's
    Parents
    YM

    Sincerely,
    Vergil

  28. Hummm.. by YanceyAI · · Score: 2
    There will certainly be file-sharing sites, but they will become a fringe, alternative media, existing in small and sparsely-trafficked corners of the Web.

    Isn't that how Napster started?

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  29. Good work Pricewaterhouse Coopers by RedX · · Score: 3
    A Pricewaterhouse Coopers survey released to USA Today Friday found that 75 per cent of U.S. music downloaders said they would stop downloading free music if they had to pay.

    Shouldn't that be 100%? It no longer is free (as in beer) music if you have to pay for it, and if you continue to download this music without paying a fee, it technically isn't considered to be free music.