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Linux Industry Calls It Quits
A lot of readers have been submitting the story on SatireWire entitled "Linux Industry Calls It Quits". The title speaks for itself.
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And then when the hyberbolic nonsense about anything doesn't do it for me anymore, I read hyperbolic nonsense about Everything
Hopefully I didn't put any [] around my words.
. . . anything.
Corn (or insert food of your choice) grows pretty much anywhere. Even in your back yard.
Get one packet of seeds for a few cents and plant it and you can feed yourself forever.
How could anyone ever make any money from selling food? Do they think people would pay for someone just to package and transport (install) it when consumers can just grow it themselves for free?
What a ludicrous business model!
-- veni vidi nuclei deceri --- I came, I saw, I dumped core.
Satire.
Did you use sed to write that? :)
Well I've been able to install it. I can't very well use 3d studio max and photoshop in mandrake, can I? :)
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I got all excited when I saw a "submitting" related link. I was expecting leather-clad, whip-holding women, but all I got was something about linux. Dunno 'bout you, but the image of a leather-clad penguin isn't all that appealing to me.
Depends. What kind of whip is the penguin holding? Riding crop? Cat o' nine tails? Buggy whip?
Also, is the penguin mounted on Bill Gates, and is Bill au naturel with the exception of a saddle, and iron bit in his mouth?
--- Will in Seattle - What are you doing to fight the War?
This was posted by satirewire, not Microsoft.
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"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
It's too bad it ended so soon. I was so looking forward to getting the latest kernal in a box of cereal.
No you didn't! So send flames to hollyl@microsoft.com.
Yeah, d00dz!
Let's be real bastards and flame this gal to death!
After all flames are a sure way to raise someone's opinion of the linux 'community'!
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This would actually be quite funny if it weren't for the fact that the Linux crowd doesn't use FUD to the point that high level MS people do.
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Why pay for drugs when you can get Linux for free ?
echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln80~Psnlbx]16isb572CCB9AE9DB03273snlbxq' |dc
Another similar piece can be found here, entitled "Linus: Microsoft is Going Down."
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What's linux?
I got all excited when I saw a "submitting" related link. I was expecting leather-clad, whip-holding women, but all I got was something about linux. Dunno 'bout you, but the image of a leather-clad penguin isn't all that appealing to me.
Religion is the best example of mass psychosis
Now what the hell am I going to run??
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Why is this posted on slashdot? is every segfault story that is mildly funny going to be posted now? THIS IS NOT NEWS, IT DOES _NOT_ MATTER.
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Would Linux be anywhere near as popular without commercial distributions like Red Hat and SuSE?
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Journaling file systems, tons of hardware device drivers either contributed outright or aided by the manufacturer, XFree86 DRI, etc... none possible without the Linux "industry".
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Red Hat, VA Linux, IBM and many, many others are paying for Linux development. Would these developers be able to contribute as much on a purely volunteer basis vs. full-time? Would they be able to contribute at all?
The fact is that Linux will obviously grow much, much faster---both in market share and ability---with commercial support. And some things would simply not ever be accomplished without commercial support.I can understand some of the waryness, but to think Linux doesn't need "the industry" is fallacy. The only serious progress Linux can make is with industry support. If you don't want great improvements on the desktop, towards enterprise class server solutions and "Big Iron" mainframes, or towards embedded/portable devices, then fine, Linux can continue without the industry. But for Linux to truly succeed on a large scale, it needs "the industry" to take it there.
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In a real emergency, we would have all fled in terror, and you would not have been notified.
The penguin that was hatched is Linux, which was born in Finland. Have you ever done any interpretation of literature?
(And penguins don't all come from the Antarctic, but it is true none live north of the equator in nature.)
There's no "we" in team, only "me"
Linux and corporations don't go too well together.
Actually they probably could get along fine. Just that corporations can't use the propriatary software business model. (The one a certain Mr Gates invented a while back.)
Think about it: who's to say Microsoft doesn't create their own build and release it freely, along with the source, and then write a set of free libraries that works only with their distro and wuns all of windows programs.
Because they would not have control over it. Once Microsoft released it it wouldn't belong before their extra bits would work with any distribution.
think that the hard part is getting companies to realize that it's free as in speech, not free as in beer. As much as I like free (price) software, I think opinions won't be changed unless OSS moves to a buy-our-product-and-get-the-freely-modifiable-sour ce-code model instead of being
able to download it without cost on the Internet.
This is highly unlikely. An effect of OSS being "free speach" is that there is no supplier monopoly, thus the "market price" is very close to the real cost of supply.
The barrier here is people having had expensive software for so long that they think distributing software is intrinsically expensive.
Also downloading from the Internet isn't "free" the connection isn't "free", the time isn't "free". It's a bit like the difference between someone paying a courier to deliver a parcel and taking a company vehicle to go and pick it up themselves.
TWW
"Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
You're wrong basically, what your saying is that people selling GNU/Linux will not make as _much_ money as those selling proprietry operating systems that cannot be given away for free.
Actually you can sell GPL software at whatever price you choose, as you can with proprietary software. The difference is that the former has no monopoly on supply, so if the price is unreasonably high another supplier can undercut. With the latter there is no competition, no "market forces" on price, etc.
because you fail to understand so much about this. Your post was a Troll, right? OK, I'm taken in... "Linux and corporations don't go too well together." What makes you think this? It's false simply based on recent announcements by very large corporations. Do you regard Compaq, Dell, HP, IBM as corporations? They've all committed big money to supporting Linux, all in the last few weeks! "...but it can't last as a commodity for long." Linux isn't a commodity - it's free intellectual capital in software form, just like academic work. PC hardware is a commodity. MS Windows is likely a commodity soon - once they lose their preloads lock on new OEM PC sales. Just watch - MS Windows price will drop from $100 to practically nothing - $5-$25, and this will happen very fast, and soon. "...companies will start creating their own distros strictly for profit...." Here you reveal your inability to grasp the essence of the GPL. If anyone did this, they'd be sued and would lose. Read the GPL and come back when you understand it. As for the rest of your desperate post - it won't happen. Microsoft release Win/Linux free? You're dreaming. MS won't ever mess with Linux, but will instead attempt to FUD it out of a mass mindshare (like they did to OS/2). But it won't work simply because the market for Linux vs NT/2000 is smarter than the captive preload desktop market ever was. Go back into your Redmond bunker and try to think up a better set of arguments. These don't work.
That's if you can install it. I've finally managed to get it installed after numerous freezes. It's also crashed 3 times in the very short time I've had it installed. I've never had any trouble with any distro on this same machine, and the only time I've had Linux crash was when I screwed up my X configuration. I'm sorry, but until Microsoft can provide me with an OS that doesn't crash randomly then I'll only use them when I have to. Have you tried Mandrake Linux 7.2? Blows W2K out of the water for stability and usability.
that being said, you are correct that this is a far cry from Open Source, and still reflects the "trust us, we know best" attitude we all know so well.
i speak for myself and those who like what i say.
Listen moron, Slashdot used to be a site for nerds, not just Linux Zealots such as yourself. They still have a lot of good articles posted every day that are NOT about Linux, it's just harder to use their basic tools to not display any Linux articles.
I'm sorry if I upset your little world by bringing some reality into it: not everyone here likes Linux.
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Re:Microsoft redefines Open Source (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 01, @09:03PM EST (#127)
Link to interview with ZDNet's Mary Jo Foley
Thank you very much, I looked for it quickly, but did not find it. You did.
Again, Thank you, Anonymous Coward!
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"Contrary to popular myth, Microsoft doesn't hate everything about open source. While Microsoft (Nasdaq: MSFT) officials publicly vacillate between declaring Linux either the most hyped operating system or the biggest threat to Windows, in reality, the company has learned some powerful lessons from its open-source competitors."
etc.
The summary at the Register is fairly on the money.
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
I guess it's a damn good thing someone ported the PalmOS to my 1Ghz x86 box so I'm not completely out in the cold!
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Money is still to be made. GNU/Linux will survive!
The problem with capped Karma is it only goes down...
SIG: HUP
Mind you, I support linux, etc., but this had a certain humor
It is not perfect, but it is not bad.
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SLASHDOT SAYS MICROSOFT HAS NO FUTURE, SO MICROSOFT INDUSTRY WILL STOP NOW
Despite Gains in Market Share, Microsoft Firms To Call It Quits
Redmond, Wash. -- Chastened Microsoft executives pledged to stop their "crazy dreaming" and disband their efforts Wednesday after an executive from SlashDot proclaimed Windows was doomed, and openly questioned whether the operating system should exist.
The executive, Slashdot manager Commander Taco, told a reporter for Wired "Microsoft is not leading anything, it is failing to provide an operating system," adding that, ""Hype does not sustain a business," and, "the recent security problems with Microsoft ... really call into question whether Microsoft should be used at all."
The startling reprimand from SlashDot sent shockwaves throughout the Microsoft industry, which was doubly disappointed because it had been steadily gaining share on Microsoft 's operating systems.
"When I read what Cammander Taco said, it was like I'd been blindsided, like a doctor told me I had six months to live," recalled Bill Gates, CEO of Microsoft. "We recently exceeded earnings expectations, and figured to be profitable for years to come, but it looks like we were wrong."
Other Microsoft allied firms, public and private, said they would follow Bill Gate's example and liquidate. "If we don't have Slashdot 's blessing, then what's the point?" said a shaky anonymous employee
Columnists have denounced as "absurd" allegations that Linux might be utilizing its infamous FUD tactics to spread Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt about an opponent in an effort to steal market share. "That would be deceitful," he replied, "and Linux Advocates have stated repeatedly that they do not lie or cheat or mislead."
When it was pointed out that many people lie about their honesty, Commander Taco grew defensive. "Maybe some people do cheat, but then, most people tell the truth, just like Linux developers have had to do, over and over again!"
At Microsoft community site ZDNet, which will be closing despite its remarkable growth and popularity, columnists grew introspective. "Somebody said to me that Linix was guilty of hypocrisy because it gave away it's source code for free to eliminate competition from the operating system market, but this is a totally different situation," said Anchor Desk's David Coursey. "We're talking about Microsoft , for God's sake, not a bunch of utopian, open source geeks like them."
"No, we all have to take this for what it is," he added, "the cold, hard truth. Damn their probity."
Reached at his office, Microsoft 's Bill Gates said he didn't enjoy delivering the sobering news, and prayed his opponents would be able to find peace. "Revealing that Microsoft is full of errors, shouldn't be used, and has no place in the software world was one of the hardest things I've ever had to do," confessed Gates, who appeared to be holding back tears. "I can only hope that one day, they will see I was doing this to save them years of wasted effort."
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
I feel that The Register had a better take on the "Microsoft goes Open Source" thing. Puts it into perspective.
proof, n. A demonstration that a conclusion is implied by certain premises and axioms.
And exactly what is new and interesting about those stories? It's the same information that's been known before and debated to death on Slashdot.
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Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
I've removed the email addresses to prevent harassment of the people involved.
No you didn't! So send flames to hollyl@microsoft.com.
My firewall is here. And I bet it's at lease as hard to hack as yours :)
Largely because of the quantity of dickheads who'd all be competing for the "Last Post".
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First my Dreamcast, now Linux! What's next!? Cable modems? *sob*
Who's the black private dick, who's a sex machine for all the chicks?
Clearly the only way to save the linux industry will be to create a Microsoft Like linux. ML linux will be priced at $300 US for a workstation. If you plan to use it as a server it will be $1000 per conection.
You might think that it will be difficult to emulate Window's no source feature because of the GPL. This requires the source to be made available. However, fortunately, the GPL contains a loophole. It never states that the source code cannot be encrypted. Furthermore it never states that you have to give away the key if it is encrypted.
A kernel patch will be of course be required that will at random intervals kill all processes and display pretty blue and white text screen that with helpfull looking yet meaningless hex codes.
To simulate Windows security features we will have to go through all the security advisories for the last two years and carefully remove about 70 % of the patches. A few of these patches would be shipped out at six month intervals as a service pack. Every fourth service pack would be sold (with a few useless GUI changes) as new version of the OS.
This will give us the edge we need to beat Microsoft at their own game.
134340: I am not a number. I am a free planet!
Microsoft redefines 'open source' - look, don't touch
By: Andrew Orlowski in New York Posted: 01/02/2001 at 18:24 GMT
Remember the gag about how many Microsoft programmers it takes to change a light bulb? The answer's none: Redmond simply redefines darkness.
As a variation, try this one - how does Microsoft make Windows open source? It doesn't: it redefines free software - software that gives the user the right to change the source code, as software that doesn't give the user the right to change the source code.
In a slightly whimsical interview with ZDNet's Mary Jo Foley, Microsoft's Doug Miller says the company has been opening up its Windows source code, with the intention to "make this (source code) available to many hundreds of customers" Mary Jo puts the number at less than a hundred.
But it turns out, this isn't software libre at all. End users can't modify the source code, giving the statement the air of something that was dreamt up in a hurry. Microsoft has like most other major OS vendors, provided Windows source code to academic institutions for years: taking its cue from Sun Microsystems which worked academic modifications back into the old, Berkeley based SunOS successfully. But enthusiasm has waned more recently, as it did for Sun, because Microsoft increasingly viewed the exercise as a free bug fix. And lo, here's Miller expressing the hope that Microsoft customers "who find a bug... would contact Microsoft for tweaks".
Miller admits that very few customers want to see the source code - shock! - and so presumably even fewer want to find Windows bugs and pay for the privilege twice over: once for the source code license, and secondly for the company time.
And remember that not even Microsoft's biggest OEM customers and OS rivals wanted the responsibility of picking their way through the Windows source code. That suggestion was touted around the industry last spring by the AntiTrust Department as a suggested remedy against Microsoft. They received no takers. So if HP, IBM and Compaq don't want to fix Microsoft's Windows bugs, why would Marks and Spencer?
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
Instead, why not look at two of the storiesSlashdot didn't care to accept for you today.
- I don't care if they globalize against free speech. All my best free thoughts are done in my head.
I'm a true Linux user, and a follower of RMS and his insights. We don't need a Linux industry. I remember the days when this view was the mainstream, throughout the community, but ever since the 'Industry' came along, our ideals have shallowed. Look at that travesty Open Source - a retreat from our principles, not the first and not the last, caused by the 'Industry'.
I yearn for the good old days. If this article is correct, we will get them back.
You know exactly what to do-
Your kiss, your fingers on my thigh-
You know exactly what to do-
Your kiss, your fingers on my thigh-
I think of little else but you.
And here I thought having to use MS every day for the last several years would qualify me to speak to its poor quality. Silly me.
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...the MS story on Segfault. What I crave is originality in my humour.
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Remember the headline from the Pons and Flieshmann's cold fusion debacle?
Open source programs close their source?
"I have not failed. I've simply found 10,000 ways that won't work." --Thomas Edison
heh. must be winblowz
===sam=== free nessus vulnerability scan = www.vulnerabilities.org
For a group of people who are calling it quits, we slashdotted that server really quickly.
Damn Linux zealots, taking out the messenger with their last gasp!!!
(In case you did not notice, that is a joke. Anyone have a mirror?)
Try to hack my 31337 firewall!
In other news, Bill Gates has reportedly checked himself into a psychiatric ward for treatment of severe depression. Close friends of Gates say that he recently got himself an account on the popular Slashdot website. After several weeks of reading thousands of negative comments about his pride and joy, the Windows operating system, Gates became withdrawn and despondent. He reportedly spent hours in his Seattle mansion whimpering "Why do they hate me? I just want to make people happy. Why?"
Just before checking himself into the nearby hospital, Gate instructed his Senior Vice President of Research, Rick Rashid, to look into the "Linux" operating system. He put him in contact with Slashdot operating systems expert TuXR0X who told Gates the startling news "L1nuX r0x0rS! Winbl0ws sux0rs!".
Gates is expected to be released in three weeks.
Ok, I'm sick of these "recent security problems" with Linux. Have I been out of the loop here? I mean, I heared about problems with the default install of redhat, but those weren't holes is Linux. I bet I could take any network enabled OS, run a service(like a shell bound to port 8080) with all the access rights in the universe(as far as the OS in concerned), and let people hax04r away at it. Although a lot of the MCSEs out there think of redhat as linux, I believe the only true linux is the kernel. Then we have the GNU tools that are commonly installled, which many associate with linux, and then we have the pretty Boated-Do-It-All_For-You-'cause-You-Will_Assume-it s-Secure installers. I could probably configure any network enabled and disk writing OS to be insecure if I had the time.
Yes, this is genuine. I'm a committe member for Linux users of Victoria This was recently sent to out committee. I've removed the email addresses to prevent harassment of the people involved.
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:42:50 -0800
From: Holly Lindsey
To: "'XXX@luv.asn.au'"
Subject: Networking Heaven
Hello,
My name is Holly Lindsey and I am a recruiter with Microsoft in the US.
First, I want to apologize if it is inappropriate to approach your
organization. I understand lovers of Linux/Unix sometimes don't have much
love for Microsoft, but I'd like to get this information out to ALL the
serious software developers.
We will be conducting interviews in Sydney in March for the Windows Core
Networking team. I have a deep respect for users of Linux/Unix and know they
are sometimes the most hard core devoted programmers out there. We are
looking for the best and brightest to join our team to produce the next
generation of Windows. The Windows Core Networking team is responsible for
building the next generation networking for Windows workstation and server
platforms. This includes high performance network interfaces and transports,
networking services that provide security, load balancing, scalable
multicast capabilities and seamless wireless LAN experience, and
technologies to make networking self configuring, self diagnosing and self
healing. This group works with Windows Workstation (Consumer and Professional) and Server teams to ensure that these products are second to
none in networking offerings. For more information about this product see
their site at: http://microsoft.com/windows/default.asp.
If you would be interested in learning more about our opportunities in this
area, please don't hesitate to contact me directly at hollyl@microsoft.com
and check out our web site at http://www.microsoft.com/jobs/intl.
Sincerely,
Holly Lindsey
Associate Recruiter, International
Microsoft Corporation
Microsoft will announce that Unix never should have been developed in the first place. Then all the BSD's will call it quits, Sun will go supernova, and Bell Labs will offer an apology for wasting everone's time and money.
Linux and corporations don't go too well together. Yes right now companies are doing great, but that's because it's still in the "fad" stage. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Linux is a bad OS; I think it's a great OS, BUT it can't last as a commodity for long.
Why?
Because it's FREE
That's the same reason most people can't some to understand how it can make any money. It goes against the essence of true capitalism, where everything is for the money and just for the money. Linux is a great OS, and written and maintained who want just that.
Which is great for the product. But as soon as the product becomes popular (even right now it's beginning that stage) and more people begin using it, companies will start creating their own distros strictly for profit, which will result in lessened quality and eventually the birth of a new "underground" OS.
Think about it: who's to say Microsoft doesn't create their own build and release it freely, along with the source, and then write a set of free libraries that works only with their distro and wuns all of windows programs. As much as the Slashdot community would try to stay away from it, you can't stop the inevitable. People would pick that up because its a free OS AND Windows-compatible. In doing so, they'd help and kill the Linux movement in the same sweep. True, they'd be ending their Windows sales but they'd also be ending the competition. And anyways, everybody knows that their major sales are from their other products, not Windows.
Ah well, that's my 2 cents...
Where AMD states that Intel rules the planet and closes shop.