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Brewing Storm: Stealth, ISPs And Copyright

Handulschteim writes: "As if nobody could have guessed, the Internet community has continued to circumvent the entertainment industry. According to this Reuters article, HavenCo has joined the action. It might be great marketing for them. But it might also be the beginning of the end if they attract the ire of their closest neighbor and its American buddies." (ruebarb contributes a link to the same story featured on MSNBC.) Since ISPs are going to face increasing pressure from the various 4-letter acronyms, it seems like the obvious next step for the the entertainment factories to lobby for would be a ban on all encrypted traffic for which no key is in escrow for easy policing.

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  1. Re:Again with the backdoors by Python · · Score: 5
    He also drew an interesting parallel between weak crypto and regular mail: you trust that your letters will be private if you seal the envelopes. Sure, anyone can open them. But doing so is federal crime with heavy penalties. Hence criminalizing the breaking of weak crypto.

    Accept that its really a bad analogy. With a "ripped-open" envelope, you can tell its been opened and then you can, hopefully, use that law to try and find out who did it (assuming they left any useful physical evidence to trace them down). With crypto, you can't do this. Its always been possible to read poorly encrypted data without the owner being any the wiser (just look at the NSA, thats all they do). So how would you ever be able to enforce this law? Rhetorically, you can't, so its a big fat Red Herring. That law would be utterly useless. Its about the illusion of safety. The US Government would want you to think such a law would keep you safe. As if laws keep you safe now, which they don't. You have to be able to take action against a person that violates a law for it have any effect, and with crypto, its suprisingly hard to do that.

    Equally, using his poor analogy, its also possible to open envelopes without leaving any traces that most people be able to detect. So, criminalizing the opening of someone elses mail is not really a good means for preventing it from being opened. It can be opened, quite easily, without the recipent or sender being any the wiser.

    So even in the case of just envelopes, its a lowsy security model and of course anyone with common sense, the US government included, knows this. If you want to keep your secrets, you have to do more than just say its illegal to obtain it. This is really about the fact that the US government does not consider its citizens to have any legitimate need for protecting their privacy in any meaninful way (read: keep secrets). The US government thinks its the only ones that have "real" secrets to keep, so why would the silly little citizens of the US need real crypto? Just look at what the man is saying, basically that you and I don't need strong security models we just need weak laws that can't be enforced (read: weak security model). Envelopes and weaks laws should be good enough for us. Afterall, we don't have anything important to protect. (I could digress into the "what are you trying to hide" argument, but I doubt he's coming from there, I think he doesn't believe that)

    The operative response to his analogy should have been something along the lines of "So why doesn't the US government send all of its Top Secret material via the USPS in plain old envelopes or on postcards"? And then follow that up with a "So, is the US Government the only organization with secrets that needs good protection for its secrets?" And then watch him try to equivocate his way out of that one or cave.

    Bah... with the US Government, its all about double standards. They want to be able keep their secrets, even if its to the detriment of their own people, while the peasants^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H citizens have to allow the government to go on fishing expeditions into their private lives. Thats why the US Government and its elected officials need to be continuously reminded that US citizens have inalienable rights to privacy. This isn't some privilige the government can take away at a whim. If they pass laws that require the stipping away of those rights, then its a BAD law. And they need to go back and try again. Its that fundamental set of misunderstandings on the part of US officials that has created the entire crypto/CDA/DMCA/next_stupid_rights_stipping_act_he re mess.


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  2. Re:It's not going to happen........... by isaac · · Score: 5
    If the very influencial LEA and Intel agencies failed to convince the US legislature / ANSI using the Four Horsemen argument (e.g. that nuclear terrorists, child pornographers, money launderers, and drug dealers, would flourish if crypto remained freely available) then what makes you think RIAA / MPAA can succeed by persuading congress with the argument that the latest movies are being copied illegaly?

    Law enforcement and intelligence agencies don't have lobbying budgets, and don't make campaign contributions, where the sole purpose of "industry associations" like the MPAA and RIAA is to collectively represent the cartels' interests in politics. Also, while cops show up on the news occasionally, the ??AA member companies *are* the news (see ABCDisney, AOLTimeWarner (CNN), CBS/Viacom, etc.). No politician is willing to trash the media cartels, as long as they're dependent on them to get elected/stay in office.

    If the collective tech/electronics industries weren't so cowed by the ??AA's political muscle (and deathgrip on the media), they would have kicked big media to the curb as soon as they realized that more dollars were spent on CD-R/RW drives and media last year, alone, than the entire MPAA grossed at the box office, and that unlike the MPAA, CD/DVD-R/RW sales are still growing to the tune of 10-25%/year.

    -Isaac

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  3. Re:Worry, worry a lot by Squeeze+Truck · · Score: 5

    No, ISP's don't want to go to court. ISP's also don't want to go out of business. If all file sharing were stopped at the ISP level, people would find new ISP's -- one's that maybe "didn't have the resources" to go after every little violation.

    Fortunately, I don't have to worry about any of this. I live in Japan -- what you might call a "free" country.

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  4. HavenCo Update from Ryan Lackey by rdl · · Score: 5

    Just to let everyone know how things are going, since I'm sure people will ask:

    HavenCo has been doing pretty well recently -- the dotcom funding crisis means we're getting a lot more resumes, although we're not actively hiring.
    We're pretty much breakeven now, which is quite a relief given the current funding environment.

    We're focusing on a few key markets:

    * financial information and services (payment systems, stock information, etc.)

    * gaming (aka gambling)

    * outsourced email/IM/file servers, subpoena proof

    * reseller/VAR/OEM packages -- (ISPs that want to move certain clients offshore, ASPs, etc.)

    AFAIK fairtunes and other music services are still underway, but HavenCo itself isn't that actively involved in them. While I'm sure we can weather any storm caused by hosting an opennap server or other controversial information, it is simply better business for us to go after higher-paying, zero-hassle, high value financial and gaming servers.

    I apologize for not updating the website -- we've been very busy, and I have a new site with lots of photos and everyone else sitting in cvs, and at a staging URL, but it's not live yet. Hopefully soon, but unlike a lot of companies now on fuckedcompany, we're spending more time on actually selling products and supporting customers than on flashy websites...

    We have a pretty good referral program now, which hasn't been publicized or put back on the old website -- bring us a customer, and when they pay their sixth month's colo fee, you get it.

    I also got some netra X1's, and would like to host more of them -- we're discounting them substantially, since they're so easy to host, and people run solaris, netbsd, or sparclinux on them, rather than windows, saving us a bunch of hassle. We're charging about USD 6000/year to host on an X1 with minimal bandwidth, additional bandwidth to be purchased separately, vs. about USD 1500/month for a 1U or 2U intel/etc. type server with
    much more bandwidth.

    sales@havenco.com has info, of course. Buy servers, save money in regulatory and tax issues, and enable me to buy better food for Sealanders, and maybe a sushi chef.

    It's pretty obvious where we stand on free speech, privacy, copyright, etc. issues, but unfortunately we have a duty to shareholders, and the "donate service to all sorts of cool free projects, bring a bunch of controversy, earn the hatred of the established media industry, etc." is just not good business practice for HavenCo, regardless of what the Sealand Government wants to do. They are from a pirate radio background, after all!

    Interesting but fairly random stuff:

    I was actually speaking at the Jupiter Plug-In Europe conference with Aram, the analyst quoted in that piece -- he's a really interesting guy who taught me things about Napster I didn't know! I also met Bruce Ward of NetPD, who turns out to be much cooler in person than one would expect -- I totally respect his/NetPD's technical competence, and if anyone needs to track down child pornography or other illegal use of their own network, I'd definitely recommend NetPD. After meeting a bunch of music industry people, ranging from lawyers to artists (Howie B. even gave me his new unreleased album, which I promptly mp3'd and put on my rio...it's *excellent*, and speaking of rio, the CEO of Sonicblue was there, and everyone standing around the table with him pulled out different generations of rio!). Barcelona, by the way, kicks ass -- all the goodness of France and of Spain, combined. I saw a yacht in the bay which was bigger than Sealand!

    I was in San Francisco for RSA -- I'll be in Vegas for BlackHat and Defcon, but not much other than some events in Europe before then. Alas, 13 hour plane trips kind of suck. I had sushi just about every day. It was good. I was also on techtv, which people may have seen. Makeup artists are good at making ultra-pale geeks look suntanned.

    I'm working on some software and papers, will probably set up a personal havenco page to post them. So much to do, so little time.

    1. Re:HavenCo Update from Ryan Lackey by rdl · · Score: 5

      Mmm, trolls. (ignoring the "do not feed the troll" sign)

      I dropped out to start a company in Anguilla: it was a simple financial issue, $30k out of my own pocket per year (no financial aid, no help from parents) vs. working on cool tech in the Caribbean, learning more every day than one would learn in a semester at university, and actually doing something meaningful for humanity and individual liberty.

      Simple choice :)

      I would have a *very* hard time justifying college if I were interested in 1) changing the world 2) computer practice, vs. theory. Aside from a few cryptography courses and advanced math courses, the most important aspect of university was meeting people and making contacts in industry; a lot of which can be done just as easily independently on the net.

  5. except not. by Malachite · · Score: 5

    To quote the oft-used cliche, The Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it. However, the truth in that statement comes from the inherent chaos and lack of central control, not from laws protecting speech.

    P2P software such as OpenNAP will survive, but not because of Sealand. When Sealand opens a napster server the RIAA will send them a polite letter asking them to turn if off. They will not comply. Then the RIAA will send a similar letter to Sealand's ISP's - and Sealand will find themselves disconnected. ISP's are businesses and their duty is to increase shareholder value, not to protect free speech. (hint: fighting the RIAA in court doesn't increase shareholder value)

    Now, as I was saying, OpenNAP will survive. Think about how long it takes someone to configure an OpenNAP server and how long it takes the RIAA to litigate one out of existance. Perhaps the next linux worm's payload will be that it assembles an OpenNAP server network, who knows...

    As for encryption regulations, timothy's comment is sensationalist crap. Will politicians continue to outlaw things like strong encryption in order to save the children or something? Yes. Will the courts throw out the worst of them? Yes. Will it make any significant impact on the real world? No. In fact, I have a feeling that if they outlawed encryption actual use of it would increase.

  6. Shift from recording model to performance model by LL · · Score: 5
    What is driving this change is the shrinking cost of storage, and subsequent improvement in bandwidth, both of which significantly reduces search costs. Traditionally in any media enterprise it was economical to archive all the masters and intermediate processing steps internally. Given the 90 years + life of author of artistic works, it made sense for companies to recycle old recordings and push recompilations rather than going through the hassle of actually supporting existing artists. The internet makes this store and forward model (record and broadcast for mass media) less attractive as compared with a publish and subscribe model. Unfortunately many businesses are in incredible debt due to buying up large content houses and they are seeing the value (and thus shareholder support) erode due to this fundamental shift in the economic landscape (P2P matcheses personal tastes better than radio). So Caute-like they are busily erecting legal sandcastles and counter-flooding the trenches in the hope that their exclusive hold (and subsequent control) on the store and fetch paradigm can be retained.

    However, those people with a half-a-clue are realising that alternative distribution models exists as software moves the relative power back to the artists and performers away from promoters and managers (unless they consolidate their distirbution channels and demand payola aka gateway fees). So what is likely to happen? I nthe long run you'll probably see more variety and different intermediatories but in the short term, its likely to be a scorched earth policy with ISPs being in the front line trenches squeezed between content holders (who want to pass the cost of enforcement onto someone else ... e.g. public law) and communications infrastructure providers who want to extract every last cent from providing bandwidth. In short the mom and pop UUCP and message boards are going to disappear as they don't have the intellectual or financial firepower to survive the coming firestorm (MS .NET initiative notwithstanding).

    Note that this is not new. Whenever a scarce resource becomes cheap, whoever's interest buildt on faulty assumptions starts screaming. For example, when radio stations were limited in NZ several decades ago, some entrepreneurs put raio masts on a ship outside the nautical exclusion zones and beamed "pirate" broadcsts inland. The internet is even easier as the infrastructure is outside the immediate juristiction and you cannot restrict people moving around except through controlling their access software (cough*AOL-AIM*cough).

    Maybe, just maybe, companies will actually support grass-roots artistic development instead of flogging over-hyped teenage boppers or overpriced dead rockers. On the other hand, cynics would note that money talks, bullshit walks.

    LL

  7. Worry, worry a lot by Thalia · · Score: 5

    The problem is that ISP's don't want to go to court. They can be threatened by the MPAA, and they're likely to cave, because if they don't, they'll end up spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on attorney fees. And most of them can't afford to do that.

    But the truly odd part of the story is that it says that ExciteAtHome has responded by sending e-mails telling Gnutella users their services will be terminated within 24 hours if their alleged movie sharing continues. Now, how "alleged movie sharing" continues is beyond me. How do they know that folks are sharing copyrighted movies? Maybe they're sending each other something else that requires large files. Maybe it's home movies.

    There really isn't a business reason for the ISP to protect the user. After all, they don't have a time-based contract. The user can't sue the ISP (I think) for terminating them illegally, unless the ISP refuses to return any prepaid moneys or deposits.

    Review your ISP contract. I bet it allows your ISP to terminate you "at will." But if it doesn't, the subscriber who hasn't been using it for illegal stuff and is terminated should sue. A few lawsuits like that, and ISPs will think twice about just kicking users off based on a nasty-gram from the MPAA or RIAA.

    Thalia

    1. Re:Worry, worry a lot by EllisDees · · Score: 5

      All you have to do is send a letter to your isp stating that you aren't trading any copyrighted materials. Then they are obligated to keep you connected - you have removed the liability from them. Of course the next step the studios would have to take after that would be filing suit against you...fuck em!

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  8. Re:It Will Get Much Worse Before it Gets Better by jazman_777 · · Score: 5
    Intellectual property laws exist only because capitalism is a slavery system. Our livelihood depends on working for others so we can pay our taxes. The reason that we have to work for others is that 99% of people have been deprived of an inheritance in the land. Income property is owned by a few and the government. The others are slaves. Artists and inventors depend on their work to make a living. Can we blame them? With the exception of a few, we all do because we are all slaves and we are all disenfranchised. So now we are swimming in an ocean of laws and rules that take away our remaining liberties, one by one.

    I wouldn't say that capitalism is inherently a slave system... G.K.Chesterton, for example, had a vision of distributed property ownership, called Distributism (?), which basically addresses a major problem of today: the centralization of property and wealth. He was seeing this almost a century ago, so it's not a new problem.

    Right now in the US we have the Democrats, who love the state, working closely with Republicans, who love big business. Now both parties love both--what a deadly combo! Is there some way to slay this Statist Beast without a larger Statist Beast?
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  9. In other news... by 1010011010 · · Score: 5

    Sealand authorities painted several large patterns consisting of concentric red circles on their island.

    - - - - -

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    1. Re:In other news... by pcidevel · · Score: 5
      Have you got a link for that?

      It's in the Sealand History under the Initial Challenge to Sealand's Sovereignty heading. Read all about it! :) There is also information about Sealands first war on that page.. very interesting read!

      International waters or not, ocean platforms belong to the organization (or, in this case, military) that built them.

      This is VERY correct; however, you seem to have forgotten a very important point, your quote should read: International waters or not, ocean platforms belong to the organization (or, in this case, military) that built them, until they abandon them., Which is exact what happened, that is how Sealand was able to claim the land!

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    2. Re:In other news... by Guppy06 · · Score: 5
      Nevermind, found my own. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_778000/ 778267.stm
      But (Roy Bates') plans were dealt a blow in 1987 when the UK extended its territorial waters from 3 to 12 miles.

      Now Sealand sits inside waters that Britain claims as its territory.

      A spokesman for the Home Office said it had no reason to recognise Sealand as a nation. "We've no reason to believe that anyone else recognises it either," he added.

      ...

      (John Bates, an expert on sea law and piracy) said because Sealand was man-made there was little chance that it would be recognised as a nation. "I don't think structures of that kind count as territory," he said.

      So it would seem what I said earlier still stands: The only reason they're still there is because the Brits haven't had reason to shut them down.
  10. Re:Free Society? by Tackhead · · Score: 5
    > Until the people decide (the only body allowed to decide, according to the constitution) en masse that they want to change from a free society to a police-state, run by corps with lots of money, then there really isn't anything to debate here, is there?

    ...and now that, judging from the legislation of the past 8 years and the current crop of Congresscritters sittin' on the hill, the people have decided they want the police-state ("for the chiiiildrun!"), we discover that you were right: there really isn't anything to debate.

    At least, nothing that can be debated without the debaters being threatened by lawyers.

    > The only thing that is needed to produce real art is the artist and the consumer, in this case the listener. Most everything else [e.g. RIAA] is excess baggage.

    Four words for you: "I want my MTV".

    Dire Straits was poking fun at themselves and the rest of Top-40. Unfortunately, they were also right.

    Money for nothin', indeed.

  11. I think you overestimate their chances by Illserve · · Score: 5

    Ok, I'm thinking about what sort of entities would already be taking advantage of a data haven... haven't really come up with much, sorry. What does a given country or company have to gain by capturing a "data haven" at this point in the history of the internet, honestly?

    I think you are greatly overromanticizing the importance and protection of Sealand. Sure things have worked out well so far, but I doubt any country would stand up for them, which means a single destroyer class ship is capable of "conquering" it. While there may be connections to positions of power in Britain, those are severely weakened by the departure of its founder.

    Yea it's nice to be your own country, but the flip side of that coin is that NO ONE else in the world is obligated to protect you.

    I expect that the only reason (apart from some sterling bravado in the 1978 war) Sealand is safe so far is that it hasn't been a big enough thorn in anyone's side to pluck out.

    And finally ask yourself this: If the big media are "small potatoes" why was Jon Johansen apprehended?

  12. Who's Secure? by geomon · · Score: 5
    I don't see any legislation getting through the Congress that would ban encryption w/o public keys because there are plenty of companies who need to send their email and other business traffic securely over the web.

    The thought businesses would agree to the RIAA or any other organization having exclusive rights to screen private information for potential copyright violations will never fly.

    Do you really think IBM or Chevron will agree to anything that gives the RIAA permission to read their email?

    They will shit on this quicker than seagulls at a beachside picnic.

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  13. The worst enemy of a "zero knowledge system"... by BierGuzzl · · Score: 5

    ... is yet another "Zero knowledge system". We've got enough already -- let's stick with what's out there. Otherwise we'll end up with these new entities coming into that field with commercial interests of their own, not necessarily in tune with the original intent/philosophy.

  14. It's not going to happen........... by ssimpson · · Score: 5

    "it seems like the obvious next step for the the entertainment factories to lobby for would be a ban on all encrypted traffic for which no key is in escrow for easy policing."

    Hang on: The NSA, FBI, CIA, DEA etc etc have lobbied congress for over a decade or so to try and get un-escrowed crypto banned and have failed miserably in all attempts. I'd recommend the excellent book Privacy on the Line by Diffie and Landau for a complete review of the history of escrow in America.

    They also lobbied ANSI to get Clipper escrowed technology implemented in banking systems in place of triple-DES but failed miserably.

    If the very influencial LEA and Intel agencies failed to convince the US legislature / ANSI using the Four Horsemen argument (e.g. that nuclear terrorists, child pornographers, money launderers, and drug dealers, would flourish if crypto remained freely available) then what makes you think RIAA / MPAA can succeed by persuading congress with the argument that the latest movies are being copied illegaly?

    Suddenly my permanent .sig is on-topic ;)

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    "Mary had a crypto key, she kept it in escrow, and everything that Mary said, the Feds were sure to know."
  15. Re:Again with the backdoors by ssimpson · · Score: 5

    Is that why use North Americans can use 128-bit encryption, but only allowed to export 56-bit? I would have thought they'd have just told everybody to use 56-bit.

    This information is out of date - companies can now export 128-bit encryption to non-embargoed countries (see for example here).

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    "Mary had a crypto key, she kept it in escrow, and everything that Mary said, the Feds were sure to know."
  16. Re:Pressure helps by Dyolf+Knip · · Score: 5
    Pressure from the music industry fostering privacy tactics is a good thing compared to other pressures. By developing privacy technology now to prevent corporations from tracking us, we're also developing the means to prevent the government from doing the same thing. I'd much prefer the pressure from music and movies than government regulations

    There's a problem, though. What kind of pressure are the industries going to exert? They apparently don't think that technical solutions by themselves will suffice (probably correct in that regard, since SDMI has worked so well), so they also resort to legal pressure. Hence the DMCA.

    Really, the whole cause of these problems is the government giving legal force to the demands of the media industries.

    There's a Heinlein quote that describes the situation perfectly: "There has grown up in the minds of certain groups in this country the notion that because a man or corporation has made a profit out of the public for a number of years, the government and the courts are charged with the duty of guaranteeing such profit in the future, even in the face of changing circumstances and contrary public interest. This strange doctrine is not supported by statute nor common law."

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  17. Re:Again with the backdoors by dannywyatt · · Score: 5
    On this note, I went to a panel on privacy and crypto last week. It included Michael Rabin (Turing award winner, inventor of vanishing key encryption), Whitfield Diffie (co-inventor of public key crypto), Steven Levy (author of Crypto), and John Podesta (Clinton's chief of staff).

    Anyhow, Podesta was very candid about how the tight enforcement of export controls was meant to hinder the spread of strong crypto until the NSA could recover from the clipper chip fiasco. So, no, I don't think gov't key escrow will rear it's head again in that form.

    He also drew an interesting parallel between weak crypto and regular mail: you trust that your letters will be private if you seal the envelopes. Sure, anyone can open them. But doing so is federal crime with heavy penalties. Hence criminalizing the breaking of weak crypto. But he also said the MPAA deserved what they got. So go figure.

    The whole thing is archived on-line (alas, WMP only).

  18. Re:All Your Sealand Base... by Golias · · Score: 5
    All land-line connections, even to France, probably pass over (or under) British land. A backhoe could make short work of them. Signal jamming would also be easy enough for the satelite signal.

    Worst case, the UK or US navy takes out the whole structure (after giving them time to evacuate).

    I think concepts like FreeNet offer a lot more promise.

    William Gibson's "Walled City" concept could also be adapted to vpn technology, if the file-sharing crowd were so inclined.

    HavenCo's problem is the have a physical presence (a.k.a. "a target")... in international waters no less. The Chinese recently reminded us all about how much you can get away with in international waters. If a submarine were to "accidentally" bomb the shit out of that oil platform, what could anybody do about it?

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  19. Re:A spineless solution by Golias · · Score: 5
    I don't think you understand. It's not who elects them, it's who funds them.

    People really need to get past this myth.

    The only reason why politicians accept funding is so they can spend it persuading people to vote for them.

    According to a recent column I saw in Newsweek, the typical Congressional candidate spends about $3.00 per vote. For some sentators, it has been as high as $7.00 per vote.

    So, if you make me a donation of $30,000 (actually, you can't make a donation that large to me under current campaign finance law... but you can donate that to my party or spend it on ads bashing my opponent), there is no way I am going to return the favor by doing something that costs me 15,000 votes, no matter how corrupt I am.

    Unfortunately, people with your attitude never bother to let your elected leaders know what it is that you want. When that Big Donor tells them that Bill x is a Good Thing, and they are not hearing otherwise from their constituents, they are more likely to listen to the guy who is helping their next campaign.

    But hey, you just go ahead and keep telling yourself how 1337 you are for knowing better than to bother. You might as well stay home on Election Day too, since you are so powerless.

    Meanwhile, pardon the rest of us while we continue to tilt at windmills, blissfully unaware of the hopelessness of our situation.

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  20. A glass house for the media moguls. by Alien54 · · Score: 5
    (I don't want to retype this, and what I wrote originally seems to fit here. so pardon me for a quick cut/paste/edit)

    In an earlier thread someone posted the following:

    Why would individuals encrypt their emails and other correspondence to each other? What is the rational explanation? The only reason I can see for day-to-day use of encryption is personal emails is that you have something to hide or you have a bad case of paranoia. No offence people - but what makes what you say so interesting that you are so concerned about other people reading it? If you are doing something illegal, or you are concerned about maintaining secrecy because other people may steal your original (and so far unpatented) ideas then maybe there is a point - but I have met some people who refuse to exchange email unless it is PGP encrypted - what's up with that?

    My response was:

    The issue is one of Privacy.

    If you do not belive in privacy, then I can recommend a glass house for you.

    After all, you are not doing anything illegal? And if all houses were made of glass we would be able to catch criminals alot easier. We could just watch them all of the time with TV cameras.

    What are you doing that is so important that it would require secrecy and privacy 24 hours a day? You must have a criminal frame of mind, not wanting to live in a glass house. This obsession with privacy is merely paranoia, y'know, and is easily fixed with one of several medications. Let us recommend a nice doctor who would be very willing to help you with medications.

    I think this is very easily applicable to the Media companies. Let's open all of the books of all of the companies, and of all of the executives, because after all, They have nothing to hide at all, Right? Right?

    [There have been so many rumors of associations with criminal elements, we need to make sure that everything is on the up and up]

    What is good for the goose is good for the gander. The Media Moguls deserve the Glass House treatment. Since they are acting in a way that seems so criminal to many of us, how about actually investigating them for other crimes? What are the odds that someone would find something?

    Check out the Vinny the Vampire comic strip

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  21. Economic restructuring and a new way of thinking by TooTallFourThinking · · Score: 5

    In an information age, maybe the information should be "free".

    Free in the sense the creator of the idea gets a limited monopoly on said idea, limited to about 10 years, and after the time ends, it becomes public domain.

    I understand such a statement undermines the economic structure we have now, but in the past IP laws did not last as long as they do nowadays and everything worked just fine.

    People will survive, books will still be written, music will still be produced; they were in the past and we will all move on. Trying to control all the information will provide to costly to our diginity and it will take away from time we could be working towards other ends.

    I doubt the people starving to death in the USA and the world have much interest in this debate. Maybe they should. The RIAA, the MPAA and others are dropping millions of dollars into lawsuits. Maybe that money could be used elsewhere.

    "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it.

    Its peculiar character, too, is that no one possesses the less, because every other possesses the whole of it. He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.

    That ideas should freely spread from one to another over the globe, for the moral and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by nature, when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space, without lessening their density at any point, and like the air in which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of confinement or exclusive appropriation. Inventions then cannot, in nature, be a subject of property." - Thomas Jefferson

  22. Re:Again with the backdoors by mad_clown · · Score: 5

    Well... you have a point. However, people won't stand for it for long. Joe-sixpack LIKES Napster. No government ban, no RIAA/MPAA/DCMA whining will ultimately stop him. If Napster dies, he'll use something else.

    Combined with the power of the ACLU, the EFF, and similar organizations, Joe-sixpack, whether he's doing the right thing or not by stealing content, is a potent force against the growing anti-privacy movement now engulfing the internet in the name of intellectual property.

    The battle continues, but people, sheeplike as they may sometimes appear, posess the power to halt this kind of thing in its tracks, and when the public becomes outraged... its all over for these corporate chumps and their pit of vipers... err, I mean lawyers.

    As always: contact your representative, write editorials, hold your own well-publicised media events (really, who's stopping you?).... Protests don't have to be a bunch of dirty hippies rioting and spraying "Die pig" on overturned cars. The battle can be won, but it must be won in a way that makes our side look better.

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    "Cut word lines. Cut music lines. Smash the control images. Smash the control machine." - William S. Burroughs
  23. Well of course... by joshyboy · · Score: 5

    Chris Hansen, the guy at Earthlink knows what's going on and the Un-'napsterization' of the internet is fruitless. He states "The stronger the protection, the stronger the attack,"
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  24. Re:Again with the backdoors by H310iSe · · Score: 5
    "...Joe six-pack likes napster..." True but can Joe six-pack work encryption, or even figure out how to use gnutella or work with freedom network? I've been thinking alot about this lately - now I'm not the fastest fish in the sea but I work w/ computers for a living and it takes me an hour or two to figure some of these systems out. Napster is Joe six-packs favorite because, IMHO, it's the only easy to use file sharing system out there, completely monkey proof; more importantly it feels easy to use. It's a friendly site that Joe six-pack can figure out even after the first three beers.

    Which reminds me that a friend judges ease of use by how drunk he can be and still figure out how to use it. I actually like this as a test...

    So I've been thinking alot about how we can get friendly, easy to use (not the same thing, remember) access to all these neat-o technologies like MP4, anonymous encrypted filesharing, etc. (MP4s - anyone try to figure out how to make a @#$!%# MP4 with flask and then make, say WMA (heheh) play it? It's not brain surgery but it's most _definately_ drunk-proof, at least it was 4 months ago when I was drunk and trying to figure it out).

    o-u-t-r-e-a-c-h
    Since this is also an issue w/ linux in general I thought there might be some ideas out there. Are there any groups trying to make more cutting-edge technologies in the web more friendly? I'd voulenteer to do monkeyproof hand-holding documentation and tutorials in a second.

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    closed minded is as closed minded does
  25. To the roots of the "Internet" by Rory_O · · Score: 5

    Almost all /.ers know that the current state of the net was born out of the hard work and research of mostly public and a few private academic institutions.

    During the late 90s, we all know that changed, mostly for the worse

    Now we're seeing the clash of the 'geeks' who have had their last haven against the extreme capitalism invaded, and we're not taking this lightly at all.

    Problem is, there is so damn few of us to matter...

    But to stay on topic... what crossed my mind is: I'm seeing the current 'net floating towards a balance of 2 seperate entities: the aolmsnyahootimewarner.megacom variety, and the berkelyslashdot.orgu.

    Capitalism can have their side, nobody here cares about that if they stay on their side of the fence. But what happens when the 4-letter acronyms start invading our home turf Universities, the havens of intellectualism. The slashdots, kuro5hins.

    As an aside, some universities are driven by some corporate entities to some extent, mostly out of necessity to keep admission and tuition costs from inflating to unreachable heights. A state university here is well known to have its biology department almost totally funded by a select few multinational drug corporations, mostly to keep its head afloat. Now, the biology department has mostly turned into a cheap research lab for those companies.

    So what does this mean for our last fortresses of defense? What I'm fearing is the 4-letter acronyms start attacking the universities after they have done cleaning up the blood of non-conformant ISPs wishing to take a final stand for their users rights (or greed, whichever is fine by me). Oh, well we all know they have done half-hearted attempts before, but nothing very serious. I think they're waiting until they're finished testing where they can push the government and the people before the final 'battle' will begin.

    I can't see where it will go from here. All I can see is a horrible bloody mess between the 4 letters and the multinationals that run some universities, with the rest trying to hold out on their own. The outcome? I can't say... just years and years of hurtful words, damaged egos, broken spirits and one side not willing to give into the other. After it all clears, possibly, the best will stand and can say "we are standing because we are here for what is right"

    But we can't do it at the corporate level. Fighting with ISPs, organizations and such all take money. We simply can't even to begin to raise enough money to even put up a decent fight [see: napster, et al]. What we can do is take a stand at the intellectual, thoughtful, insightful level. Win with ideals, not money. Its the only chance we have.

    *Off soapbox now

  26. Re:A spineless solution by SomeoneYouDontKnow · · Score: 5

    Agreed! I've said this before, and I'll say it again. The only way to stop the destruction of our fair use rights, as well as the patent and IP madness, is to make a stand. Get out there and fight like hell. Bring the battle to the forefront of the news as often as possible, and turn up the heat on the greedy corporations whenever possible. Speaking of copyrights, The New York Times has a column by Lawrence Lessig on just that subject. I strongly suggest everyone here go and read it. And after you're done, write a letter to the editor on this subject and mail it in. The Times is an influential newspaper, and any issue that can get traction within its pages is going to find its way into other media sooner or later. Here's the opening. Anyone care to take advantage of it?

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    That light you see at the end of the tunnel might be from an oncoming train.
  27. Re:Again with the backdoors by bumski · · Score: 5
    Comparing laws protecting weak crypto with laws prohibiting mail tampering is interesting, but flawed. A law, narrowly drafted to protect a very specific service, might, IMHO, be good or at least acceptable. Too bad that in order to protect the mail, we now find it necessary to prohibit:
    • studying individual envelopes, to determine whether they might be openable,
    • opening envelopes, even if used for purposes other than mail delivery, and
    • teaching others how to open envelopes.

    BTW, manufacturing letter openers is now a federal offense. Also, we're considering criminalizing the manufacture of envelopes that are too difficult for government employees to open and re-seal surreptitiously.