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Cowboy Bebop on TV This Fall
da3dAlus writes: "Anime Tourist has a confirmation about the fall programming on Cartoon Network, as mentioned at the San Diego Comic Con. Of greatest note is the mention of Cowboy Bebop: "It was disclosed that Cowboy Bebop will air this fall in the Adult Swim block on sunday nights. The source was unsure as to how much editing would be needed and admitted that it was 'something of a stretch for them.'" The 'Adult Swim' block begins September 2nd, and is geared towards the older Cartoon Network audience." If this is true, this is great news. Cowboy Bebop is one of the best science fiction tales that has been animated ever. I just can't explain it, but I hope they don't have to butcher it to put it on U.S. TV. Also worth noting is that a trailer for the Bebop movie is online if you can watch quicktime.
If you have broadband and have not gone to that site you should check it out. High bandwith streams of some pretty good anime movies for free and no nudity or violence seems to be edited out. I recommend the Angel Cop series.
See this billboard spotted along the 710 freeway in Los Angeles. Yep. That's Rio from Burn Up W.
Is anyone else scared about how much they'll alter the story of the episodes? Especially that episode about that guy with crazy hormone problems? Experience shows that they'll do crazy things to cover up nudity. Remember that horrible episode in Tenchi Muyo that was supposed to show the tattoo on evil washu's butt? Even though it was essential to the storyline, they covered it up, and the episode was one huge mess. Oh what fun.
Even the regular cartoons are butchered. Remember Wile E. Coyote drinking the entire bottle of "earthquake pills"? Your kids won't. How about the fish in "Horton hears a who": "Now I've seen everything *blam*". Not there. At least not the *blam*.
Sad state of affairs.
On the good side, I have seen some anime on cinemax, and "Ghost in the shell" is on frequent circulation on one of the Starz channels.
eva DVD's aren't that bad, are *excellent* quality, and are a blast to watch with friends. 4 ep/dvd.
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Am I the only one who would really like to see their respective production companies get together and have Ed meet Lain?
Thankfully, the dubbing on CB is actually passable.
But I'm still afraid of massive cuts that'll leave the show a bleeding gutter carcass. The first episode features drug trade, and a seemingly pregnant woman shooting her own husband (fiancee? boyfriend?) in the head before being killed herself.
Redeye, toxic mushrooms, crossdressers, hermaphrodites, blood, little boys (I know, I know, he's not a little boy dammit) that kill, death, organized crime syndicates, sword+throat and sword+eyes action, cigarettes. And they're gonna fuck up the ending I BET, I mean, how can the hero not live happily ever after?!?!
It's low on the explicit sex factor, so that may tender it some goodwill from Toonami.
But remember people: Cowboy Bebop has violence where people end up getting hurt, and where several people die.
North American media only tolerates violence where no appreciable consequence comes of it. A million bullets are fired, a thousand bombs set off, but everyone comes out alive in the end (and really, isn't that the way Jesus would want it?).
-Laxitive
Sounds like half a dozen or more of the standard TV sci-fi shows from the last 30 years.
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I am hoping that since they are relegating it to a "more adult" time slot, that they'll do it late enough on Sundays that they won't have to chop it too badly. But of course if it gets more explicit then what can you do? Bah. Good news/Bad news.
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Cowboy Bebop, the name actually makes sense. In the future of 2071, there are about 30000 bounty hunters all over the Solar System, and by trade, they are sometime known as cowboys. Hell, even the bounty hunter TV trade show "Big Shot" which lists the biggest bounty available is shot with an exaggerated Western theme. Bebop is the name of the space ship that housed the crew of the show. It's named by the ex-cop owner who also happens to be a jazz lover, and the soundtrack to the show is a mixture of jazz and other music.
Aren't we the elitist. Did you actually watch this show's dub track before you make your comment?
So Taco didn't pay the images bill again, or is it just a bad link?
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That's a good point, and I've thought of that at times as well. Just because it's animated doesn't mean it can't contain some amount of realism or provoke thought. My girlfriend isn't a big anime fan, and can't see why I enjoy DBZ. But when Cartoon Network aired the Tenchi Muyo series, not only was I hooked, but she took a liking to it as well. I ended up purchasing all 3 movies and the OVA boxed set. She watched the movies with me and even enjoyed them, but hasn't seen the uncut OVA yet. As a note, she's 3 years older than me ^_^
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Honestly, as far as exposure is concerned, what does it matter if a series is censored? It's nice to see more diverse anime series on TV than just the kid-friendly type (ie Pokemon). Yeah, CB may be a more mature series, but if it needs to be formatted to American TV standards, then it's fine with me. For example, Sci-Fi channel aired Fatal Fury and Armitage III a few weeks ago. I had thought about picking up the Armitage DVD on several occasions, but I wasn't sure if I'd like it or not. After seeing it (edited of course), I decided that I liked enough to get the DVD afterall. As for Fatal Fury, I deemed it not worth my money. It too was severely edited for nudity, but Sci-Fi just blurred out those specific body areas on the characters on several scenes, instead of deleting them altogether. However, the Card Captor series has gotten a severe re-edit, which completely changed the story and plot of the series--that's taking things too far.
I think my point is that as long as it's just censored and not re-edited, it's still good to see it on American TV. Pardon my rabling, but that's my $0.02.
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Just as a note, I didn't include that link to AnimeFu. I think that's CmdrTaco's own brand of 'smart tags', added pre-posting to the homepage of course...
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Lots of geeks learn japanese, he might actualy speak it...
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I started watching the Dubed version of Cowboy Bebop, and I was still blown away. Japanese with subtitles is great, but the English versions Aren't that bad. The acting was good, and the words actually 'fit' English pretty well
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Yea, on disc 2 or disc 3, (Vicious makes a reappearance) Valentine is following some bounty and ends up busting in on two guys in the sack... not exactly Cartoon Network material... and one of the episodes on disc 3 has a hermaphrodite as one of the main characters. There's probably a few other small scenes, but those are the big two that I can remember off the top of my head.
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I'm no anime freak like a few of my friends are, but I borrowed all 6 of my friend's DVDs of this and really got into it. The redtail ship is very cool looking. The hammer head ship? Eh. I'd rather fly Spike's ship.
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Interestingly enough, in one of the episodes, a Betamax VCR was featured that looked like exactly the one my family had 20 years ago(a Zenith top loading model).
The hacker kid "Edward" is interesting since she talks in riddles not unlike "Wheelie" from The Transformers, but less annoying.
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You're both right and wrong at the same time.
Only 12 episodes of Bebop aired on TV Tokyo in Japan, and the episodes that did air were lightly edited.
Bebop was later picked up by WOWOW (satellite network in Japan) and aired in it's entirety.
While I won't be watching the CN showing (don't like dubs, and I've got it all on dvd), I do hope they don't hack it.
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Democrats or Republicans. They are both taking us to the same place and they are not afraid of us anymore.
Considering the cost of putting everything on DVD, is it REALLY that much more expensive to hire good voice actors instead of hacks?
Democrats or Republicans. They are both taking us to the same place and they are not afraid of us anymore.
But we DO have the technology! The entire series is availiabe on DVD here in the US. It's produced by Bandai and is availiabe of 6 DVD's with 4-5 episodes apiece.
It also (of course) includes both English and Japanese language tracks.
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Obviously CN is a kid's channel based mostly on "classic" and kid cartoons on a perpetual loop. Great to plant a 4 year old in front of, but not exactly a killer formula for adults.
Sci-Fi on the other hand comes with every basic cable package and has still to figure out that anime, preferably uncut, would be great programming for their viewers. Imagine how much money could have been translated into bringing anime to the states instead of producing that horrendous Dune remake. Yes Sci-Fi, you put David Lynch in his place.
I'm sure they're too busy coming up with another great Outer Limits episode to bother with something as trivial as cartoons. "Okay, check it out: this alien comes down and infects this dude..." Or even better getting the rights to air the Knight Rider movie last night.
Yeah i know they used to play some anime during the day but I don't think it was very consistant and way too early in the day for me.
One of theys days, i'm hoping all of the mixing fuses into a single sound...
Something has frozen over because I would have bet real money that although COWBOY BEBOP is probably one of the most influential Anime to have been released in the last 5 years, there was no possible way that it could get released on the ever popular Toonami!!!
The reason is that its just to "adult" for Toonami to handle. The Big 3(sex, drugs, and violence) are all in full force in COWBOY BEBOP which would make any one who censors squirm.
Cartoon Network/Toonami has chopped up shows that have had far less of the Big 3 than Coboy Bebop to make them presentable on their network. There are some episodes that have so much "questionable material" how much is going to be left to air?
I can't recommend COWBOY BEBOP to enough people whether they are Anime fans or not. On the other hand I'm not sure if I can recommend watching a very heavily modified verson that is more concerned with being presentable than persenting what was originally intended.
Can't seem to find it. :-|.
Dave.
Actually it being in Japanese is more of a plus than a minus in my book. A constant fresh source of Japanese would be a big help in my efforts to learn the language :-)
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
On a side note, remember all those Warner Brothers cartoons that you don't see anymore because they're not politically correct? You can still find that lot on Cartoon Network UK. For what it's worth.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Link to trailer in quicktime format.
The hint on the page is the big ole Quicktime word ;)
I haven't seen the cartoon yet, but I've heard the soundtracks,. If you get a chance to pick these up, DO IT! The music is amazing. Some of the tightest downtempo jazz/funk I've heard in years!
to be completely and utterly ruined by what will most likely be terrible dubbing, it's quite sad really.
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Maybe there is a good reason not to have cable *grin*. I am set anyhow cuz I have the entire Cowboy Bebop DVD collection, so Cartoon Network can eat my dust cuz I'll be lapping up miles of time in front of my DVD Player.
:) Unedited, Uncensored, and totally Dub Free 24-7; This would be my only reason to subscribe to Cable or Satellite TV.. If you can import BBC & Much Music... Why not Anime? Got Ed?
As Ed would call Cartoon Network - "Lunkhead, Lunkhead!"
Personally, I think there should be an All Anime Station...
PS. If you haven't seen Final Fantasy, its a real treat despite what the Slashdot crew said.
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The real question is, when is CowboyNeal going to be on TV?
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A couple of people posted corrections to my original post... and since they haven't been modded up or anything, I thought I'd quote them here so more people see them. :)
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"Only 12 episodes of Bebop aired on TV Tokyo in Japan, and the episodes that did air were lightly edited. Bebop was later picked up by WOWOW (satellite network in Japan) and aired in it's entirety.
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"Um, it wasn't just the first episode that was cut. Almost half of the entire series was omitted when first broadcast on TV. Later on, they played an uncut version on a satellite channel which had less restrictions than broadcast"
OK you can mod this post down as redundant or whatever, I wanted people to see the corrections. Thx all
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With all the talk about censoring Bebop, it's interesting to note that Bebop was censored in Japan, too! At Otakon in 1999, the director of the series was there, and it turns out that the very first episode of the series was considered too bloody to be shown on TV by the network. Apparently, Japanese fans didn't get to see episode #1 until much later, possibly until the home video release.
Of course, only episode #1 was blocked, and as far as I know there weren't any cuts made from the rest of the series. Which is kind of odd, since I didn't really think episode 1 was much bloodier than anything else in the series.
I've watched a lot anime, and I'd have to say Bebop is in the top five of all anime series of all time, IMHO. I also have to say that it has the best animation, hands-down, of any anime television series ever, by a wide margin. I don't even think that's a matter of opinion. The animation is as good as many theatrical and direct-to-video (OVA) anime releases I've seen.
God damn, I hate censorship. I also hate the English dub of Cowboy Bebop. Spike is one of the coolest characters ever, but the English dub actor sounds like he's trying really hard to sound cool. Sorry. If you have to try to be cool, then you're a thousand miles away from cool.
So what American audiences are going to see is one of the greatest series ever, hacked to bits, with a shitty dub that makes the characters sound retarded. And non-anime fans are gonna say, "what the hell is the big deal with anime? This is supposed to be one of the greatest series ever, and it's pretty lame. Anime is so over-rated, guess it must have some hidden appeal for geeks".
So I'd just as soon not see Bebop on TV under those circumstances. Ideally, I'd like to see HBO or something pick it up, then at least it would only have the shitty dub to drag it down, not the censoring. God, I hope I'm wrong, and they don't censor it too badly. I really want to be wrong.
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Actually, they removed a lot more than just foul language; they removed just about all sexually suggestive content (the appearance of nudity without any real nudity (airbrushed bathing suit), any mention of nudity, homosexuality, "inappropriate" contact between characters, etc.), as well as all blood (which got rather confusing when the blood was important to the plot) and various other instances of violence/death/suicide/etc. Most of what was taken out wasn't critical to the plot, but there's a lot of important character information that was lost. And the part where they changed the word "body" to "car" just made no sense... Of course, none of this even comes close to the sexual content of last night's episodes of The Man Show on Comedy Central (or South Park either) or the raw violence of last week's Robocop miniseries (which was probably edited itself) on Sci-Fi, so this just seems really silly. On the other hand, I think I watch far too much television...
No, it's "Tank" composed by Yoko Kanno and I THINK the band is the Seatbelts. The Soundtrack for Bebop is quite good.
Yes, I don't think human beings were supposed to talk that fast ^_^
If that's all you see in anime well then, you're really missin' out, looking in the wrong places or just messed up.
Oh don't remind me. I think this is a great example of how an American Company can ruin a great show. I thought it would be pretty hard since Escaflowne is just that damn good, but I guess it's easy when you delete the plot, the characters and even the well orchestrated music by Yoko Kanno.
eva DVD's aren't that bad, are *excellent* quality, and are a blast to watch with friends. 4 ep/dvd.
Just a minor correction, 4 episodes per disc on the first two discs. The rest only have 3, making a grand total of 8 discs for the whole series. A lot of people complained about the way ADV films cut the number down, cause.. yeah, that's $60 more (roughly) you end up paying. That being said, I totally think that Evangelion is worth the money, although you might want to wait or plan to finish getting the dvds around the end of October when the movies come out on dvd. Be thankful you no longer have to wait 6 months between discs! - rew
In some Outlaw Star episodes the language edits can get annoying. They either put in "heck" or "darn" depending on the context. This is fine normally, but in the heavy swearing scenes it gets stupid. Example: Gene dramaticly yells "Darn it!" when the pirates kill Hilde. It loses just a wee bit of the drama.
I just love Cowboy Bebop, only things that have to be done now are: + Buy a TV + Immigrate to US Anyway, I expect anime to be higly successful in Germany, because I noticed that the mainstream-people around here are getting attracted to NGE, Golden Boy and stuff ..
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There's a big difference between porn and lack of censorship.
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CN has a fairly consistent record in regards to their editing. Let us begin with Tenchi Muyo, where bathing suits magically appear in hot tub scenes [understandable, but an edit is an edit]. Similar editing appears [I believe, I could be mistaken] in Outlaw Star [the black thing Melphina wears when 'part' of the ship... looks out of place and edited in to me]. From what I've read, the editing done to Big-O was relatively minor [the God/Good thing was probably so they wouldn't piss off some obnoxious religious group or another]. All in all, yeah, it's hacked up a bit, but not as bad as what Fox tends to do [feel pity for Slayers, should they ever get around to it. Slayers without the flat chest jokes just isn't the same], and besides, it's a good way to preview anime before shelling out $20 or more per tape/disc [I wish someone somewhere would run Eva... I've heard good things, but at $25 per tape it's just obnoxiously expensive]
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Keep your John Williams, this is some of the best soundtrack work I've ever heard. These guys can sound like Duke Ellington, Ry Cooder, Vince Guaraladi, half a dozen other styles, in the space of 24 minutes. Great stuff.
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It starts of with this "Completely, rain something the blowing Á, this time of kind of today which it flies is, but everyone how you probably will pass? "
I love it.
is the editing that will probably be done, even in the 'adult swim' block.. For those who have not seen it, Bebop is disturbingly violent at points. Especially eps 5(Ballad of Fallen Angels),16(Black Dog Serenade) and 20(Pierrot le Fou). But as long as they can avoid editing them, and keep the voice acting intact(the Bebop dub was surprisingly good), I'll be happy
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Cowboy Bebop has no nudity.
Or "Ranma" when it comes down to it. Lots of nudity with no sex and lots of violence with no-one really getting hurt (like road runner), but they would still be cut. There would probably be no coherant story left, and it's difficult to work out what's going on as it is.
Pop in a tape/dvd/whatever of Cowboy Bebop, and when the opening credits are going by, listen to the music and think "dah dweeee dah dah dah dweee dow." It fits!
edit out nudity and foul language
Nudity? Foul Language? I sure don't remember any.
Then again, it could be there was nudity but I didn't notice because I was too involved in the plot. Damn but that's a well written series. A friend of mine was depressed for weeks after seeing the last episode.
It's more of a western/detective thing. The only thing science fiction about it is the scenery.
Reboot macht Frei.
D'oh... I originally posted this to the Tenchi story by accident, proof that I should down a whole pot of coffee before bringing cognitive functions online, otherwise bad things happen.
I don't really agree with all the people who say they'll kill it... They won't kill it, thay'll do to it what they've done to everything that came before, *edited to protect the insecure*, and leave it in a ditch to die.
What the hell is the story anyway?? They put it in the midnight run, how many kids are gonna be watching it at midnight?
Our society fills the airwaves with all this anti-drug, anti-drinking, anti-smoking, anti-damnneareverythingelse, kids aren't stupid, they DO understand these concepts. I have neices and nephews who are thoroughly amused by sillyness like trying to pretend that the characters are drinking TEA when they are OBVIOUSLY loaded. (Tenchi series)
Or the painstaking task of painting out Heyami's (SP?) cigs in Blue Sub 6 (only to screw it up in silly ways).
And someone please tell me what is wrong with the concept of death? Why can't they say DIE, DEAD, DEATH or anything like that?? What in the hell?
No... I'm not going to continue, I fear if I continue, my head will explode. I think I'll go watch FLCL (Sorry, Japanese only), something that will NEVER be shown on CN. (Never never never never, if you've seen it you know what I mean. CN's style of editing would leave less than a commercial break worth of material left per ep, wait... HA. They'd probably air all 6 eps in a half-hour spot)
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The direct link for the Cowboy Bebop movie trailer is: here.
Also, here are the links for the IMDB entries for both the series and movie.
Yes, it is available on DVD, and the quality is good... but the DVDs are reeeeeeealy expensive! Maybe that's just cuz i'm in Canada and they have to be imported from the States. Ah, bother.
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Don't forget Ein the dog. Remember Bebop episode 23? That dog is one l33t h4xx0r.
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I also wish it would go on Sputnik7, but it's probably not gonna happen. Sputinik7 gets its content from Manga, while Bebop is released by Bandai in the states. Grab the DVDs if you can get 'em at a decent price.
It sucks, but them's the brakes.
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I'm glad that Cartoon Network is putting more and more popular Anime series. Unfortunatley I'm a big fan of subtitled and unedited anime, but latley through the lack of money I have been restricted to buying my preciouse anime. This is a great way for Anime to gain a larger fan base in the States, and appreaciate the finer series of Anime, instead of the long popular card game based Pokemon and Digimon. Lets hope the trend keeps up and Sci Fi decides to bring back Saturday morning Anime.
So I'm an idiot. That should have read "edit out foul language and nudity (if any)." Doesn't change the fact that I expect little to no editing. After all, to edit a series that you are explicitly presenting as "mature" kind of implies that it will be unedited or at the very least minimally edited.
"Why Subscribe?" Good question...
If Cartoon Network decides to run this as a "mature" block, I expect the worst they'd do would be to edit out nudity and foul language. It would be insane to edit a show for content and call it "mature". Not to mention obscenely hypocriti-- oh.
"Why Subscribe?" Good question...
I think Kodomo No Omocha would be great for Cartoon Network... Finally an anime series on CN which is centered around comedy, instead of violence and drama... Although I can't help but wonder how they would deal with Rei-kun being introduced as Sana-chan's "pimp" for the first 10-20 episodes... Also, I'm skeptical that they could find a good voice-actor for Sana-chan.
They literally ditched ALL character exposition, (the ENTIRE first episode actually), then ripped out the incredibly moving soundtrack and thew in what sounded like a casio keyboard techno preset into mechs fighting.. alot.. with the same footage duplicated 7 times per episode, to make up for all the plot they ripped out... and don't even get me started on the voice-acting...
Bebop will at least not suffer in the dubbing department (in case anyone noticed, it would appear it is actually *MADE* for english and dubbed japanese, or mroe doubtfully, totally re-animated)... don't believe me... just watch it on a dvd and flip back and forth... their mouths actually sync to the *ENGLISH* dialogue, not the japanese.... go figure
Among the many reasons CBB is far superior to Lupin:
Although cowboy bebop has many humerous moments, it is a "serious" anime, with a great tragic storyline and compelling characters with richly detailed backstories. CBB is much better visually, and has a superior soundtrack. I wonder if you actually saw all 26 episodes, i highly doubt it ("seems like" followed by a storyline judgement sounds pretty weak to me). Comparing it to Lupin is downright silly