I won't bother arguging one way or other, but I'd like to mention a very intersting book that everyone should at least take a look at in regards to this topic -- the Skeptical Enviromentalist by Bjorn Lomborg. Just pick it up at your local Barnes and Nobles and leaf through it. You won't be dissapointed you did.
Porting Costs?
This is a compression/decompression codec.
all that is required is to read in bits,
transform them, and read them out.
... you don't HAVE any porting
( assuming you keep it for x86 )
Why should we care?
simple.
1) random access
2) they're going to be quite a bit cheaper than the write-many chips that mp3/digial cameras use.
Thus, people were talking about how things like palm still need new version, etc..
with that, the actual OS can go on a 64M chip ( pretty damn big for palm standards ) and when an upgrade comes out, you get palm to ship you a new chip for $5.
Also, they did mention that heat what was preventing them from adding more layers.
so when fab size goes down, more layers can be added.Not bad.
You are obviously confused.
What wine needs to do is implement
all of the win32 functions.
While that may be easy to say,
actually doing it is not.
Often the way a function works is
how MSDN says it works.
What must be done then is painstaking
debugging in order to get the function
working in a way that the applications
that use it expect it work.
Secondly, saying that wine will never run all win32 apps is true, however I have a feeling you are thinking of something different.
VxDs are the problem; theu will be impossible to run in the way that WINE works, you can't translate what a VxD is doing -- it requires direct hardware access.
Thus you would have to throw in a whole emulator to get all VxDs to work. Not fun.
I feel you were thinking more along the lines of what I was mentioning as what the first goal needs to be.
Wine does include registry settings.
I'm not sure what you are thinking.
It does not include every one that it needs,
but there is a reason for that;
usually the functions that need that setting
aren't working.
As another AC mentioned, the kernel already has a mechanism for seamlessly running PE format executables.
However, if you're worried about running applications from other applications, wine already does that.
Since the people that need the kinds of things you are talking about usually click on icons,
I don't see this being a big deal.
Third, Why don't/you/ work on documentation?
It doesn't take a programmer. You can bug wine-devel when something doesn't make sense.
In fact, having non programmers work on documentation often is better, because things that don't make sense to them definatly won't make sense to a user.
As for truly useful things:
Alexandre mentioned a few weeks ago something I
would find very useful.
Having a part of wine or a frontend
that would handle per-application settings.
Thus, you could have the annoying installers that
want to run full screen run in a 604x480 wine desktop,
and you could have quick time player run in managed mode.
If you look, the message dialog name is
XDK Error
which would imply Xbox Development Kit.
Thus, I would think it isn't something from an actual game.
if one could find the story it goes along with,
it might make more sense.
It appears that they were a bit unfair to
wine ( but not really on purpose )
They seemed light hearted enough about it
that I believe the mistake was accidental.
What mistake is this, you might ask?
They tried running Microsoft Applications!
( the exception being Paint Shop Pro.. )
Not only that, but I'm not quite sure what the
snapshot date was on the wine that they used.
I have used Photoshop perfectly in wine.
Photoshop! I can also run Netscape. Just the other day, I got Real to completly work,
which I believe is an indication that they
have winsock2 working.
In the end, what should be added is this:
running apps in wine isn't what you think it is.
Just because wine has been in development for a few years, and doesn't work, doesn't mean it will be a few more years before it works! Chances are that it is a single call ( or family of calls, as DDE and COM are still under developement, afaicr.. ) that makes it not work. Thus, having a working app may be as little as a snapshot away.
I have no problem with them shutting off their connection. Having worked for an ISP in the past,
when the hounds are on you, you throw them a piece of meat.
What I do have a problem with, is with them making him sign something that said he wouldn't share copywritten material again.
Why does this bother me? He wasn't sharing copywritten material in the first place!
The fact is, if the company has that on file, and they knock him off - they can probably use that signed paper as proof ( unless he could prove he was forced to under duress.
I'm not quite sure what you mean
"would rather pirate them"
From the people I know that use *nix
of those that hate commercial software would rather eschew it than pirate it.
As for the "buying at the store", I bought
my linux version of Q3 at Electronics Boutique. The release problem, along with the "I'm not going to use software that costs money" is the problem.
The **real** problem is more than that though --
gamers won't use linux until it has enough games, and companies won't publish games for linux until there is enough of a demand. Until that point, the only choice would be to rely on wine.
While it can have a coolness to it ( eg, running windows binaies on linux ) its not a good way to go.
Everyone is still at Microsoft's whim; so if they decide to break everything with DX9, people have to spend a year rewriting wine's DX support, in which time, all the gamers that **were** using linux go back to win* because they can't play their games!
No -- don't compile it.
Make sure that no stale mozilla processes are running, and do that with a talkbalk build.
Thats the kind of stuff that needs to get fixed.
If you just say 'screw it' and build it from source, then that might not get fixed!
The reason most people wouldn't want a feed straight from Japan is because the anime would be, suprise! in japanese! ( whouldathunk? ).
What most of us would want ( speaking for everyone, of course.. ) would be a network that showed anime either subbed or dubbed in english. But since this isn't likely, Cartoon Network is our best bet.
Cowboy Bebop is a great series, and one that would likely attract a more mature audince. Chance is, if it is highly sucessful, they will add more programming, and if it is large enough, spin off a channel -- remember Boomerang?
68000 is a toy nothing else
Do you know that a majority of video game machines
in the late 80s, through the mid 90s
( and maybe even now, not sure.. )
used the 68000 chipset?
Eg: Neogeo used two 68k chips.
As for that,
there is a plugin called
'Total Recall', I believe.
It isn't shipped with the browser,
ironically, as people are screaming
about how the moz team is adding too many features...
oh well.
What people often realize is that mozilla isn't slow.
If you run just the rendering core, its *very* fast.
However, it doesn't have all the "nice" features like history, etc... but this shows that
where they really need to speed up is in a relativly minor area, which is why it will be done in 2 Milestones, while its take 18 to get here.
(M20 is the first "release" for people that don't know..)
I wouldn't say that buying on the bleeding edge means that you need your head examined...
It's just simply a different philosophy.
for instance, I bought my P2-266 when it was the fastest thing, and I can even run Quake 3 on it;
It's simply a matter of when you want to spend the money.
This isn't much of a big deal in games like Total Annihilation -- you can queue a "producer".. which provides, legally, what those games don't have.
And it makes more sense too..
If you were the human leader in Warcraft 2, wouldn't you tell the town hall, "We need to build 5 more farms, and I want you to train 20 workers. I'll be off maurading."
I know this is a complete flamebait and I shouldn't answer it, but I have to mention how *stupid* your analogy is.
What would be the equavalent to that would be if he first did his port scan, found out where the cracker got in, GOT in himself, then went looking around for what the cracker changed.
What he did was more like look in the window, and maybe leave a hand print on the window-sill as he peeked in ( at MOST..).
Since he explained to the police what he did, they should be able to dust the rest of the house, and see that yeah, his prints aren't anywhere but on the window-sill.
Being there myself...
(dante@inferno.student.umd.edu),
I can verify that everything after I joined is true in that log.
As far as deleting spam posts...
would it be done by hand, or by script?
In both cases, what are "spam" posts?
First posts? N.P posts?
What I can say is, it would be a good thing to bring up in the IRC forum.
Have you ever had a bad camping trip?
Say, one where you lose your food to animals, you lose the spikes for your tent...
That really sucks.
Thats probably one of the closer experinces you could have living like people did in the past. Why did people make progress? Because life SUCKED. Spending all your days making sure you don't die SUCKS. That is why there was progress. Now that life doesn't ( in general ) suck so much, we have time to do other things.. like think! ( which you apparently didn't do before you wrote the responce...) . I don't know about you, but I would very much like to see what the surface of a different planet looks like in person. That is the reason for progress now.
Actually, no we couldn't live like this for centuries, and decades is a bit fuzzy.
See, we have this dependency on fossil fuels, and they're quite limited. We're also using them at quite a rate.
That is one reason for "progress".. to get into a state where we can once again live in a harmony with nature..
About progress -- who said ancient civilizations didn't progress? I think thats quite naive. If you looked at the Greeks, they didn't advance in a way that looks as magnificent as our advances today do, but their advances in thinking were quite tremendous. This is obviously something that needs more discussion, but don't be so quick to write the ancients off.
Ifdef's are one of the hacks in C that are nice if used in moderation, but you can see where this might go....
Say Linux puts one BigIron patch in, then he won't have any reason for not putting the rest in, and when you do that, you get a nest of #ifdefs and #endifs ( because they are funtamentally different than PCs, there would be a lot of changes -- the style of the kernel might have to be changed in order for the patches to be applied and keep it in a useable state).
What this means is, that it is significantly harder for kernel hackers to read the code. That is a bad thing (tm).
As I read in another post, Linus will put these things in, just not in the 2.4 kernel.
The only rationalization I can come to is that
since these aren't made by the studios in the MPAA
they are actually spending a good amount of the money that the DVD costs to actually MAKE it ( gasp!), eg, licensing fees, cost to create the dvd, etc...
The only other thing that can be said is this actually helps your case against the MPAA.
Without any DVDs, they can say "These people are just talking theoricial talk!".. when you have a dvd , you can say "No, I have a dvd that I want to watch in linux!". This, of course, is a very gray area to tread in. If I knew the right answer I'd do that, but I don't think there is one.
Well, the best way I know of telling how many linux desktops there are is going to the #gnapster ( if thats how you put it?) channels on napster or opennap servers, since Gnapster's default configuration has you join that channel.
I for one have seen over a hundred people on a opennap server -- and these severs each handle only about 1000 people!
This assumption being that people won't run gnapster on a server, since it's a gui program, and thus a waste of resources on a server...
Dante
The only reason they keep their main line CISC is because the demands placed on them by Microsoft for backward compatability.
In fact, if you look at one of Ars Technicas rather good articles, you'll notice that from the Pentium 2 onward, they've gutted the core of the Processor, and the core is RISC. All the CISC functions are broken down in microcode.
Thus, a RISC processor, the ARM series, which has been used for a while ( this is just Intel's ARM processor...) isn't too odd.
With the G4 being similar to the P2+ in architecture, ( eg not RISC vs CISC.. its more like hybrid vs hybrid ) chances are the ARM is ment as nothing but a powerful, but low power mobile chip.
I think the DBZ problems are due to the CN translation of it.
I've noticed in the NGE DVD that if you put it on Japanese with English Subtitles that it makes more sense. I'm assuming this is probably true with DBZ. ( thus the grunts.. also notice sometimes there isn't blood? I think they remove some of it [ remember the story about them remove the cig one character smokes in Blue Submarine?])
As for spending money...
anime is too expesnive! Now that I'm going back to school, how am I going to afford my addiction^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hhobby?
DanteAliegri
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I won't bother arguging one way or other,
but I'd like to mention a very intersting book
that everyone should at least take a look at
in regards to this topic --
the Skeptical Enviromentalist
by Bjorn Lomborg.
Just pick it up at your local Barnes and Nobles
and leaf through it. You won't be dissapointed you did.
--Dante
Porting Costs?
This is a compression/decompression codec.
all that is required is to read in bits,
transform them, and read them out.
... you don't HAVE any porting
( assuming you keep it for x86 )
please, if you want to argue, make sense.
Why should we care?
simple.
1) random access
2) they're going to be quite a bit cheaper than the write-many chips that mp3/digial cameras use.
Thus, people were talking about how things like palm still need new version, etc..
with that, the actual OS can go on a 64M chip ( pretty damn big for palm standards ) and when an upgrade comes out, you get palm to ship you a new chip for $5.
Also, they did mention that heat what was preventing them from adding more layers.
so when fab size goes down, more layers can be added.Not bad.
You are obviously confused.
/you/ work on documentation?
What wine needs to do is implement
all of the win32 functions.
While that may be easy to say,
actually doing it is not.
Often the way a function works is
how MSDN says it works.
What must be done then is painstaking
debugging in order to get the function
working in a way that the applications
that use it expect it work.
Secondly, saying that wine will never run all win32 apps is true, however I have a feeling you are thinking of something different.
VxDs are the problem; theu will be impossible to run in the way that WINE works, you can't translate what a VxD is doing -- it requires direct hardware access.
Thus you would have to throw in a whole emulator to get all VxDs to work. Not fun.
I feel you were thinking more along the lines of what I was mentioning as what the first goal needs to be.
Wine does include registry settings.
I'm not sure what you are thinking.
It does not include every one that it needs,
but there is a reason for that;
usually the functions that need that setting
aren't working.
As another AC mentioned, the kernel already has a mechanism for seamlessly running PE format executables.
However, if you're worried about running applications from other applications, wine already does that.
Since the people that need the kinds of things you are talking about usually click on icons,
I don't see this being a big deal.
Third, Why don't
It doesn't take a programmer. You can bug wine-devel when something doesn't make sense.
In fact, having non programmers work on documentation often is better, because things that don't make sense to them definatly won't make sense to a user.
As for truly useful things:
Alexandre mentioned a few weeks ago something I
would find very useful.
Having a part of wine or a frontend
that would handle per-application settings.
Thus, you could have the annoying installers that
want to run full screen run in a 604x480 wine desktop,
and you could have quick time player run in managed mode.
If you look, the message dialog name is
XDK Error
which would imply Xbox Development Kit.
Thus, I would think it isn't something from an actual game.
if one could find the story it goes along with,
it might make more sense.
--Dante
Please don't post things like that.
Saying something like that is rude;
to the United States,
and most of all to all the people who died.
The USA has done questionable things over its 200 year history, but even considering something like that makes me sick to the stomach.
It appears that they were a bit unfair to
wine ( but not really on purpose )
They seemed light hearted enough about it
that I believe the mistake was accidental.
What mistake is this, you might ask?
They tried running Microsoft Applications!
( the exception being Paint Shop Pro
Not only that, but I'm not quite sure what the
snapshot date was on the wine that they used.
I have used Photoshop perfectly in wine.
Photoshop! I can also run Netscape. Just the other day, I got Real to completly work,
which I believe is an indication that they
have winsock2 working.
In the end, what should be added is this:
running apps in wine isn't what you think it is.
Just because wine has been in development for a few years, and doesn't work, doesn't mean it will be a few more years before it works! Chances are that it is a single call ( or family of calls, as DDE and COM are still under developement, afaicr
--Dante
I have no problem with them shutting off their connection. Having worked for an ISP in the past,
when the hounds are on you, you throw them a piece of meat.
What I do have a problem with, is with them making him sign something that said he wouldn't share copywritten material again.
Why does this bother me? He wasn't sharing copywritten material in the first place!
The fact is, if the company has that on file, and they knock him off - they can probably use that signed paper as proof ( unless he could prove he was forced to under duress.
--Dante
From the people I know that use *nix of those that hate commercial software would rather eschew it than pirate it.
As for the "buying at the store", I bought my linux version of Q3 at Electronics Boutique. The release problem, along with the "I'm not going to use software that costs money" is the problem.
The **real** problem is more than that though -- gamers won't use linux until it has enough games, and companies won't publish games for linux until there is enough of a demand. Until that point, the only choice would be to rely on wine.
While it can have a coolness to it ( eg, running windows binaies on linux ) its not a good way to go. Everyone is still at Microsoft's whim; so if they decide to break everything with DX9, people have to spend a year rewriting wine's DX support, in which time, all the gamers that **were** using linux go back to win* because they can't play their games!
No -- don't compile it. Make sure that no stale mozilla processes are running, and do that with a talkbalk build. Thats the kind of stuff that needs to get fixed.
If you just say 'screw it' and build it from source, then that might not get fixed!
The reason most people wouldn't want a feed straight from Japan is because the anime would be, suprise! in japanese! ( whouldathunk? ). What most of us would want ( speaking for everyone, of course .. ) would be a network that showed anime either subbed or dubbed in english. But since this isn't likely, Cartoon Network is our best bet.
Cowboy Bebop is a great series, and one that would likely attract a more mature audince. Chance is, if it is highly sucessful, they will add more programming, and if it is large enough, spin off a channel -- remember Boomerang?
Dante
68000 is a toy nothing else
Do you know that a majority of video game machines in the late 80s, through the mid 90s ( and maybe even now, not sure.. ) used the 68000 chipset?
Eg: Neogeo used two 68k chips.
Be careful what you say.
Dante.
As for that,
there is a plugin called
'Total Recall', I believe.
It isn't shipped with the browser,
ironically, as people are screaming
about how the moz team is adding too many features...
oh well.
Dante.
What people often realize is that mozilla isn't slow.
If you run just the rendering core, its *very* fast.
However, it doesn't have all the "nice" features like history, etc... but this shows that
where they really need to speed up is in a relativly minor area, which is why it will be done in 2 Milestones, while its take 18 to get here.
(M20 is the first "release" for people that don't know..)
I wouldn't say that buying on the bleeding edge means that you need your head examined...
It's just simply a different philosophy.
for instance, I bought my P2-266 when it was the fastest thing, and I can even run Quake 3 on it;
It's simply a matter of when you want to spend the money.
This isn't much of a big deal in games like Total Annihilation -- you can queue a "producer" .. which provides, legally, what those games don't have.
And it makes more sense too..
If you were the human leader in Warcraft 2, wouldn't you tell the town hall, "We need to build 5 more farms, and I want you to train 20 workers. I'll be off maurading."
I know this is a complete flamebait and I shouldn't answer it, but I have to mention how *stupid* your analogy is.
What would be the equavalent to that would be if he first did his port scan, found out where the cracker got in, GOT in himself, then went looking around for what the cracker changed.
What he did was more like look in the window, and maybe leave a hand print on the window-sill as he peeked in ( at MOST..).
Since he explained to the police what he did, they should be able to dust the rest of the house, and see that yeah, his prints aren't anywhere but on the window-sill.
Being there myself ...
(dante@inferno.student.umd.edu),
I can verify that everything after I joined is true in that log.
As far as deleting spam posts... would it be done by hand, or by script? In both cases, what are "spam" posts? First posts? N.P posts? What I can say is, it would be a good thing to bring up in the IRC forum.
Have you ever had a bad camping trip? Say, one where you lose your food to animals, you lose the spikes for your tent... That really sucks.
Thats probably one of the closer experinces you could have living like people did in the past. Why did people make progress? Because life SUCKED. Spending all your days making sure you don't die SUCKS. That is why there was progress. Now that life doesn't ( in general ) suck so much, we have time to do other things.. like think! ( which you apparently didn't do before you wrote the responce...) . I don't know about you, but I would very much like to see what the surface of a different planet looks like in person. That is the reason for progress now.
Actually, no we couldn't live like this for centuries, and decades is a bit fuzzy.
See, we have this dependency on fossil fuels, and they're quite limited. We're also using them at quite a rate.
That is one reason for "progress" .. to get into a state where we can once again live in a harmony with nature..
About progress -- who said ancient civilizations didn't progress? I think thats quite naive. If you looked at the Greeks, they didn't advance in a way that looks as magnificent as our advances today do, but their advances in thinking were quite tremendous. This is obviously something that needs more discussion, but don't be so quick to write the ancients off.
--DanteIfdef's are one of the hacks in C that are nice if used in moderation, but you can see where this might go....
Say Linux puts one BigIron patch in, then he won't have any reason for not putting the rest in, and when you do that, you get a nest of #ifdefs and #endifs ( because they are funtamentally different than PCs, there would be a lot of changes -- the style of the kernel might have to be changed in order for the patches to be applied and keep it in a useable state).
What this means is, that it is significantly harder for kernel hackers to read the code. That is a bad thing (tm). As I read in another post, Linus will put these things in, just not in the 2.4 kernel.
The only rationalization I can come to is that since these aren't made by the studios in the MPAA they are actually spending a good amount of the money that the DVD costs to actually MAKE it ( gasp!), eg, licensing fees, cost to create the dvd, etc ...
The only other thing that can be said is this actually helps your case against the MPAA. Without any DVDs, they can say "These people are just talking theoricial talk!" .. when you have a dvd , you can say "No, I have a dvd that I want to watch in linux!". This, of course, is a very gray area to tread in. If I knew the right answer I'd do that, but I don't think there is one.
--DanteWell, the best way I know of telling how many linux desktops there are is going to the #gnapster ( if thats how you put it?) channels on napster or opennap servers, since Gnapster's default configuration has you join that channel.
I for one have seen over a hundred people on a opennap server -- and these severs each handle only about 1000 people!
This assumption being that people won't run gnapster on a server, since it's a gui program, and thus a waste of resources on a server... DanteThe only reason they keep their main line CISC is because the demands placed on them by Microsoft for backward compatability.
In fact, if you look at one of Ars Technicas rather good articles, you'll notice that from the Pentium 2 onward, they've gutted the core of the Processor, and the core is RISC. All the CISC functions are broken down in microcode.
Thus, a RISC processor, the ARM series, which has been used for a while ( this is just Intel's ARM processor...) isn't too odd.
With the G4 being similar to the P2+ in architecture, ( eg not RISC vs CISC .. its more like hybrid vs hybrid ) chances are the ARM is ment as nothing but a powerful, but low power mobile chip.
--DanteAliegri
I think the DBZ problems are due to the CN translation of it.
I've noticed in the NGE DVD that if you put it on Japanese with English Subtitles that it makes more sense. I'm assuming this is probably true with DBZ. ( thus the grunts .. also notice sometimes there isn't blood? I think they remove some of it [ remember the story about them remove the cig one character smokes in Blue Submarine?])
As for spending money... anime is too expesnive! Now that I'm going back to school, how am I going to afford my addiction^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hhobby? DanteAliegri