Slashdot Mirror
The New Athlons
An anonymous reader linked us to an article about the new batch of athlons. The story talks about the new 1.1 ghz mobile athlon 4, and also good price cuts for the older ones. I'm thinking its time to build my game machine.
← Back to Stories (view on slashdot.org)
troll me if you want, but this was onthe register yesterday
Website Hosting
Time for me to start building that Beowulf cluster I've always wanted...
/fp?
-- You are in a maze of little, twisty passages, all different... --
these are mobile chips and a Duron... I thought gamers needed top speed... do you read the articles?
Compaq will be among the first vendors to launch systems based on the new processors, offering both new mobile processors in its Presario 1200 family of notebooks, AMD says.
...i thought compaq & intel were sleeping with each other. i guess i haven't been keeping up with the soap opera.
Tell me about it. My current dilemma is whether to spring now for a SiS 735-based mobo, or to wait to see how the motherboards with the nForce chipset go...since the high-end nForce will be set to suck down data from two DDR DIMMs at a time (remember when you had to buy SIMMs in pairs? similar thing here...), it should pretty well obliterate the only real advantage the P4 has, namely raw bandwidth, leaving the P4 choking on the dust of a (considerably lower clock rate) Athlon.
I don't understand why people have to pointout when slashdot didnt get a story first.
I understand its good to see more sources of information but to think it is a bad to post something that has been posted elsewhere is short-sighted.
Most people, including me, come to slashdot first and dont look everywhere else, so its a good thing that slashdot posts a lot of things that matter, even if its not the first one to do so.
Sigs are dangerous coy things
Unfortunately, the price of the cpu is not the issue in building a game box. Those geForce 3's are what squeezes your pocketbook dry.
Besides, given AMD's track record for good chips (lately), and cheaply priced, that outperform the P4's, and with P4's hitting 2GHz soon, I wouldn't be surprised if a year from now you would be able to find those Athlon 4's for under $100...
Well, not at last.. they have been coming down in price for a while now. This should not come as a surprise to anyone
Even the dual Athlons...
QNX RTOS 6.1.0!!!
Go to http://get.qnx.com/!
This has to be the best OS I have used in years!!!
I've used Intel CPU's all my life, and never had a problem with them. The offer the most Ghz, are stable, fast, and 100% compatible with common applications. Can do SMP and have the MMX.
Why should I decide to go for AMD CPU's ?
This is how your average joe thinks when walking into a computer store for his new computer.7
How do you convince them, that AMD is "better" ?
They don't care it gives 5 frames more in Quake, when you've already got 40+ @ 1024x768. Then only know the Pentium and MMX buzzwords etc.
Besides, the new mobile Athlon is not *that* impressive, I'd definately go for a Transmeta CPU.
--sn0w
"I'm thinking its time to build my game machine."
Will he be using Windows (at all, perhaps dual boot)? ( :
I want my nForce!!! Where is it nVidia?? how else am I supposed to claim that gaming PC's can do everything consoles can?
--iamnotayam
Must resist urge to be early adopter
Couple a few of these in a cluster with HAL and you have a machine that will refuse to install winXP! I am sorry dave i can't let you do that.
I'm thinking its time to build my game machine.
If you are talking the latest and greatest games for your "gaming machine", that more than likely means that its a Windows box. Now I admit that my gaming machine is a windows box, but can you, Taco???
You always whine about quicktime movies that you can't play, yet you talk about playing "Black & White" (which I believe is only playable on a windows partition). Now, I know you have at least a small windows partition, but won't admit it. Will you admit taht you are going to have a windows gaming machine??
Good quote, too many chars. Seriously, the slashdot 120 char limit sucks!
... or Moron?
Slashdot requires you to wait 20 seconds between hitting 'reply' and submitting a comment
thus killing the +1 Funny one-liner.
Yes, the nick is flamebait
Ciao
M
I mean, my notebook has a 566 Mhz celeron, and that things gets so hot sometimes I fear great fears for the poor DVD's I insert into all that heat to be able to watch them whilst on the move.
A 1.13 Ghz notebook will therefore probably become standard issue survival gear since you can work, e-mail, game and toast bread on it. I wouldn't put in a DVD though, it'll probably melt.
Wicked.
-- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes.
... a beowolf cluster of these?
~ now you know
My goodness.. this is all like rearranging chairs on the Titanic. This is a serious global recession here, folks. Do you think athlon is going to be supporting these chips or continuing development in two years?
The weakest companies in chip manufacture ar going to be weeded out. There will be a few competitors, or maybe only one, in each tech-industry subcategory.
I would not say that Intel makes better technology, but it has better political-action-committee hires and better schmoozing skills, and will likely come under the protection of the United States when the real economic shcink-back begins and we revive the ancient pracitice of protecting our old industries.
AMD, athlon, etc. are unlikely to merit this protection.
Of course, those of you who change your technology several times a year at investments of hundreds of dollars a pop might not care. I've owned the same computer since I was 14 and not 'cause I am 1337 either, it's cause I've not been able to scrape up the cash for a new one that's worth buying.
Goat sex free since 2001
Building a new box from scratch right now is stupid cheap...
CPU Athlon 1.4 GHZ $120.00
Motherboard Epox 8KHA $115.00
Memory 256 Megs PC2100 Cas2 $37.79
Hard Drive IBM 60GXP 40 GB 7200RPM $112.00
CDRW 16x10x40x $87.00
DVD 16x $49.00
Video Kyro II $88.00
NIC NetGear $10.00
Sound SbLive Value $43.00
Floppy Generic $10.00
Case Fong Kai FK-603 $90.00
Cooling Vanteck CKK $31
Price* $792.79
The ultimate network admin tool needs HELP!
I was able to buy one on ubid for $260! Of course, it was part of a 200-something shipment, so everybody got them cheap.
This is what Tom says about the new CPU's:
l on 1400-17.html
"AMD's newly released Athlon 1400/266 is able to beat Intel's Pentium 4 1.7 GHz in a lot of benchmarks. The Intel processor performs better in Internet content creation software and some new 3D-games. Athlon can leave Pentium 4 far behind in 3D-rendering software, because of its superior FPU-performance.
Except for 3D-rendering software, Athlon 1400 and Pentium 4 1.7 GHz are pretty much neck on neck. However, the lower price tag of Athlon 1400/266 is clearly making it the more attractive product. It is also more versatile, as you can find inexpensive (though lower performing) PC133 platforms as well as DDR-motherboards for it, while Pentium 4 is still only supported by Intel850 platforms that require the expensive RDRAM memory. "
The whole article is here:
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q2/010608/ath
--sn0w
Perhaps they can invest some into R&D to figure out how to keep my pants from catching on fire?
All the speed in the world does me no good when my lap spontanously combusts from my laptop.
Isn't competition great? We get better products for a lower cost. My question is, where is transmetta and their power-saving cruscoe chip in all of this. I though they would have a higher impact on the portable market. They certainly can't complete against the Athlon 4 or the Intel equivalent, they just don't have the resources. Who will win the chip wars? I'm taking bets from 9 to 5. Maximum bet of $1000 dollars and minumum of $2. We will give odds. 25:1 Transmeta, 3:1 AMD and 2:1 Intel.
Just because a bunch of people believe or do something stupid, doesn't make it any less stupid.
My Duron 750 is not even 6 months old and is already deprecated, I must really resist the temptation to buy a Giga TBird, because I know that the performance would not be noticable, but then again, everyone seems to have 1GHz+ processors these days. Oh well, I'll just lie about it.
Je t'aime Stéphanie
Please list all the computer you have ever owned and the ones you are currently using.
Thanks
Help end the use of Sigs. Tomorrow
This stuff drives me Schizo. I like the idea of better processors for games etc.
But I am getting tired of propping up the bloated performance and software design practices of certain very big software software companies.
Makes me want to bang my head against a wall.
- - -
Radio Free Nation
is a news site based on Slash Code
"If You have a Story, We have a Soap Box"
- - -
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
Just look at PS1. It's still being actively developed on, and it was launched around '95 or so. Now let's see how many computers from 95 that can run recent games.
Yep. You'll get MUCH more gaming for your bucks if you get yourself a console. I know it's hurting our gaming pride, but it's really dumb to upgrade your computer to play games. Get a PS2, and save 500 bucks when you get a new PC (lower specs).
Stop the brainwash
Actually, this question was discussed in an earlier article.
The bottom line? Don't waste your money. Some of the comments mention a "price break", where you take a small hit in speed, but chop a lot off the price.
Here are some early benches of the Morgan based Duron:
:)
http://www.hexus.net/review.php?review=211
It seems that the new core and its new extensions puts it far ahead of the Spitfire core and nearly up to par with the current Thunderbirds. It will be interesting seeing durons compared to P4s in the near future
--------
It's OK to be social, just don't tell anyone about it.
Devo machine...it's all about compile time.
(Get yourself a good disk too)
actually .. IIRC he stated once that he dual boots.. about an year ago i think ..
..
.. how much will you pay me ?
when he was talking of some laptop thingy
whatever.. he said that he keeps the partition
for games.. or something
give him a break will ya !
he's not an elitist linux zealot
so buddy Taco
:)
It's like the post where the guy actually complained that Slashdot has posted two articles which contradicted each other: Apparently Slashdot must a) be the absolute first to ever link to anything, b) must stick to their guns and stand by the original posting regardless-> No contradictory findings can be presented.
They required an AMD Certified power supply, and the heat given off required huge heatsinks, CPU fan, case fans, etc. With all the cooling, it would make enough noise to drown out my MP3's. And, when my apartment hits the mid 90's on those hot summer days, I would not be confident in one of these staying up.
When they shrink the die size, why don't they also release some of the lower clock speeds? Like an 800MHz chip that would only need passive cooling, and a 250W power supply.. Yes, I could underclock one of the new ones. But, I want one that's tested & confirmed to work with passive cooling.
The article mentions forthcoming price cuts by Intel. Here is some info on that, describing dollar values as well as the justification for it - the demo of the Pentium IV 2GHz.
can anyone recommend a (preferably UK based) source of cases with power/ reset switches(and even better CD drive) which can't easily be accessed by a 14 month old son who is fascinated by all the bright lights?
i.e. power and reset behind either a sliding or locking door.
Donte Alistair Anderson Roberts - hi son!
Karma: Chameleon
A quick check to Pricewatch.com shows the Athlon 1.4GHz at $107 and the equally performing Pentium 4 1.8GHz for $548 (Note - OEM prices without HS/F). For that same $548 I can get the Athlon 1.4, a $300 GeForce3 and four sticks of 256MB DDR PC2100 RAM.
If Peter Molyneux had vomited in the game box it would have been more enjoyable.
Intel, wake up... Someone's knocking on your door.
. html
9 35
http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1515
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q3/010821/index
http://www.sharkyextreme.com/news.shtml#1010821:0
Oh, and by the way... Happy birthday, Athlon.
& a=tpc&s=50009562&f=77909774&m=5690986652
http://arstechnica.infopop.net/OpenTopic/page?q=Y
"Stop saying 'Don't quote me' because if no one quotes you, you probably haven't said a thing worth saying" -KMFDM
B&W - worth a reboot
crappy quicktime trailer - not worth a reboot
They don't call the OS "Wintendo" for nothing.
Here posted today. Basically the SiS 735 wins:
The real beauty of the 735 isn't its performance, especially since you'll find it quite difficult to notice a performance difference (in most cases) between it and the 760/KT266. No, the real beauty of the 735 is its price. The ECS board we used in this review retails for less than $80. We have seen it places for as low as $65 plus shipping. This makes the board and the platform the perfect companion for the very low cost Duron and Athlon processors. For less than $200 you can easily upgrade your system to a Duron on a SiS 735 board with DDR SDRAM courtesy of the very aggressive pricing from AMD, SiS and DDR SDRAM manufacturers such as Crucial.
Doesn't matter which OS to Taco, just as long as it makes a killer MP3 jukebox and has many, many mouse buttons.
--
"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
These announcements usually turn into AMD/Intel bickering. I have lately been siding with AMD, and I figured I'd summarize the reasons for disliking Intel here:
-CPU ID
-False advertising (speed up the internet my arse)
-Forcing a proprietary memory standard on us
-Three different socket standards in the last year
-Exploiting the consumers lack of knowledge, pushing the Ghz over performance
Here in norway, the P4 1.8 costs NOK 3200, more than twice the price of the better performing Athlon 1.4 at NOK 1500.
In addition we have all the problems with the Camino chipset and the botched P3 1.13 launch
Did I miss anything?
What reasons do we have to dislike AMD lately?
-Tharald
Hello, Pentium 4 Xeon's do dual procs. A little more costly but they do it. And besides you need a $500 mobo to do dual Athlons currently, killing that price advantage right? Come on now...
If not now, when?
You suck.
Anonymous person?? what happened to anonymous COWARDS?
Oh good, it seems I'm not alone. B&W seemed to be a collection of pet projects, not a game.
Dave
I write a blog now, you should be afraid.
You really shouldn't delete posts you fascist fux0rs. The moderation system is supposed to take care of situations, like people spanking Taco & co for the shoddy message board mechanics.
!Viva la trollistas!
Something that has SCSI u160 and dual chips...
CPU Athlon MP 1.2GHZ $185
Motherboard Tyan S2510 $495
Memory 256 megs PC21000 ECC $57
Hard Drive IBM 18g SCSI Ultra160 $400
CDRW 16x10x40x $87.00
DVD 16x $49.00
ELSA GLADIAC 920 $359.00
Sound SbLive Value $43.00
Floppy Generic $10.00
Case SUPERMICRO CSE-044 $209.00
Cooling Vanteck CKK $31
Price* $2333
The journey is better then the end.
Note only llamas like you call it that.
bend over for daddy
I recommend Asus motherboards if you go AMD-- my research indicated that they have the fewest problems, but expect to upgrade your drivers immediately after installing your OS, or things will crash.
-m
1GHz Durons are not only just a small ramp in clockspeed from the 950MHz Duron, they are also based on the new 'Morgan' core, which is the budget version of the Palomino. Tomshardware already has benchmarks here, and he talks about the new technology involved in the new morgan core. Worth a read.
It's easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.
But AMD is the beloved underdog! They just *have* to win! Movies said so. The underdog always wins in the end. They aren't corporate fatcats, like intel. They appreciate technology for technologies sake. They're the friends of the little guy. They love us and we love them. They're like a cottage industry. I bet they run their fabrication plants in a real friendly way. I bet the managers have to call the techies "hackers". In the end, AMD is bound to win, as sure as linux is bound t oovercome windows, and mozilla will topple IE from it's perch. It just *has* to be this way.
Besides, I've been buying AMD for ages. It can't have been because I'm too poor to afford top-of-the-line hardware. I made the choice because AMD is just better. My hardware is the best there is, and that's because I know what components are the best. That's just the way it is.
When i previewed (before i submitted) my last comment, and added the link in there using html code in my text, it came up in the body text even though i had 'extrans' selected as my submit type. When i changed it to 'plain ole text' the link worked fine. Another bug? Looks like extrans and plain text got switched or something
It's easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.
I submitted this news a couple days ago. More news like this can be found here .
"All your market share are belong to us!"
After getting to use a flat-panel LCD at work, I won't use anything else. I can actually look at the screen for more than an hour without my eyes getting tired. No glare. No funky reflections. I'd trade a 21" monitor for a 17" flat-panel in a heartbeat.
I'm spec'ing out a home computer. The 17" flat-panel is more than the rest of the machine put together...
You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
A free market tends toward the most efficient and effective answers, it does not gurantee them. A company or style that YOU like is not ensured success just because YOU like it.
When "we revive the ancient pracitice of protecting our old industries", we are thereby ensuring that the market tendency toward efficiency is destroyed, and the demonstrably better AMD chips will be relegated to the same pile as the DEC Alpha, also a demonstrably better technology than anything built at its time.
It is perfectly normal for companies to fail as technology changes. To try to shore-up inefficient processes and corporations is hubris, the sin of pride.
Bob-
The Ludwig von Mises Institute. The reasoning individuals economics
I have installed Debian and Turbolinux on 486s with as little as 8 MB of RAM. In fact, one is running right now as my cable modem's router/NAT box.
It is Red Hat that is giving you grief, but then RH is designed for general desktop use, rather than the more specialized, trimmed down systems such as those for a network box. I can't think of anyone masochistic enough to run X on a 486 with less than 32 megs of RAM - that would be just painfully slow. (Hell, it's slow on my Pentium 266 with 64 megs!)
That's it. I'm no longer part of Team Sanity.
He already made an abortive attempt at a game machine (http://cmdrtaco.net/jubei/) and n'er athlon ner duron nor itanium will help it, gigahertz notwithstanding. Unless that was one of those editorial comments that wasn't in his voice but in the voice of the 'anonymous reader.'
/., and I can think of many reasons why one wouldn't want to. It appears now he doesn't read his own website. Which reinforces my believe the real CmdrTaco was replaced with the current doppleganger sometime in late 1999 early 2000.
McDrTaco has stated he doesn't read
AC's cheerfully ignored
should i spend the money left over from
taking my kid to the doctor for
laundry, food, rent, or the phone bill?
i guess i can wash clothes in the bathtub.
food, well, i can go down to the college and find
some 'free pizza' meetings they are always having.
now if i dont pay the rent, i might get evicted,
but if i dont pay the phone bill, i will be OK.
because i dont REALLY need a phone to keep going to work...
ill just have to tell my boss.
so the rent it is. thanks slashdot! you make every decision easy!
What we have here is someone new to trolling. See how lame a comment he makes? Now, he'll crawl back into his hole and think about this for a while before emerging and trying again elsewhere.
This has been Bill Axelrod on Mutual of Omaha's Wild Troll Kingdom.
-- www.globaltics.net
Political discussion for a new world
An alternative might be Abit, but i'm not really into the hardware hacking community: better to check what guys on some of the really esoteric hardware sites say first :)
-Elendale
IANAT (I Am Not A Troll)