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Sklyarov Indicted

Nutcase was the first to write with news from the AP that "Dmitry Sklyarov, 27 and ElComSoft Co. Ltd. of Moscow were charged with five counts of copyright violations for writing a program that lets users of Adobe Systems' eBook Reader get around copyright protections imposed by electronic-book publishers." Here's a link to the AP story at the Washington Post. Here is the story at Salon as well. Update: 08/29 01:57 AM GMT by T : Here's the EFF's release on the indictment, too -- including information about where to go if you'd like to demonstrate your reaction publicly.

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  1. Too bad... by Tin+Weasil · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wouldn't it have been nice if ebook technology had been around when Ben Franklin instituted the first Libraries in the U.S.? Franklin could have been indited too!

    1. Re:Too bad... by AntiNorm · · Score: 2

      The fact that there are (according to press releases from the EFF) legitimate uses for this software does not mitigate the illegal utility within the software.

      By your logic, just about everything on the face of the earth should be banned. VCRs, for example -- they have legal uses, but what about all the people who are using them for piracy? Just ask the Supreme Court what they decided in the Betamax case.

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    2. Re:Too bad... by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 2
      E books cannot be 'checked out' of a library. You cannot 'lend' them to a friend (unless you lend him your whole laptop). As other people have pointed out, If E-Book technology had been much older, most libraries would have been impossible.

      Imagine what life would be like if, every time you wanted to fix your car, you had to pay a royalty to the writer of the 'fix it yourself' book...

      Imagine how impoverished we would be if, having read a wonderful book, we were unable to loan it to a friend to read... In fact, if we wanted to read it a second time, we'd have to 'buy' (OK, License) the book a second time!

      Imagine if, everytime you listened to a record that you'd paid good money for, your bank account shrank -- and if you were broke, you wouldn't be allowed to read, listen to music or watch TV.

      This is what the Sklyarov case is about -- that, and providing a 'chilling environment' for anybody -- inside or outside of the USA -- who even thinks of putting together software what would allow people to exercise 'fair use' of their artistic purchases.

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    3. Re:Too bad... by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 2
      Do you get in an uproar because you can't pay $20 to watch a movie at a movie theater as many times as you want,...?

      It actually costs the movie theatre money to run the theatre, pay the projectionist, etc. I think that $12 is a bit high to pay for the process, but I understand the need to pay something.

      Once I buy a book, it doesn't cost the author, publisher or anybody but me if I read it 2 or 200 times. We are no longer paying a charge for a service provided... They are setting up to place a tax on the process of reading, listening or watching.

      The original intent of the copyright amendment to the constitution was to give artists/publishers a reasonable incentive to publish their work, and then get those works into the public domain, after "a short period of time".

      BTW: If I could afford the thousands of dollars cost of printing a movie reel, and had the equipment to view it at home, I could view it as often as I wanted.

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  2. Elcomsoft!? by Linux+Freak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How the hell can Elcomsoft be indicted for breaking a U.S. copyright law when that firm is in RUSSIA!?

    1. Re:Elcomsoft!? by chrisvdp74656 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Easily. Everybody knows that the US Laws are applicable all over the world!

      [/sarcasm]

      Sorry, I needed to get that off my chest. IANAL, but I dont think they can, legally. They can only nab everybody involved eith Elcomsoft as they pass through the US (and that includes international flights). Skylarov had the misfortune to be the first.

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    2. Re:Elcomsoft!? by bugg · · Score: 2

      The same way they've done it in the past, with companies like DeBeers (the diamond people). They can't go over there and do anything, but if any representative of Elcomsoft (or DeBeers, for that matter) steps foot in America, they can be arrested and charged on behalf of their company.

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    3. Re:Elcomsoft!? by wfrp01 · · Score: 2

      Treaties.

      From Merriam-Webster:

      a contract in writing between two or more political authorities (as states or sovereigns) formally signed by representatives duly authorized and usually ratified by the lawmaking authority of the state.

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    4. Re:Elcomsoft!? by jgerman · · Score: 2

      Read the frickin story and know what the situation is. They were selling the software in the U.S.. Not only that but Dmitri was describing hour to crack it in his talk. That alone is enough to nab him.

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    5. Re:Elcomsoft!? by sql*kitten · · Score: 2
      How the hell can Elcomsoft be indicted for breaking a U.S. copyright law when that firm is in RUSSIA!?

      Because, as the article says:

      ElcomSoft was culpable because it sold the program for $99 in the United States through an online payment service based in Issaquah, Wash., and with a Web site hosted in Chicago.


      I honestly don't see why the slashbots are up in arms over this. If Skylarov had written his software and kept it to himself, no big deal. But he was selling software expressly designed to steal money from Adobe's pocket, of course they were upset. This is like someone inventing a device that can unlock any car, and selling it on the web.

      Bottom line is, if you want people to respect your precious GPL, you had better start respecting everyone elses licences too.
    6. Re:Elcomsoft!? by Lally+Singh · · Score: 2

      But selling a device that can unlock any car is available on the web! www.lock-picks.com. Its usage in a theft is illegal, tis all. That's fine by me, but this is utterly ridiculous.

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    7. Re:Elcomsoft!? by Znork · · Score: 2

      The software was expressly designed to make it possible to move your book to a new computer when your old one breaks down (that ever happen to you?), or to allow people with disabilities to access their legally purchased book.

      What Adobe and the publishing industry wants is to either force you to keep a server room with 20 computers at home to be able to read the books you accumulate over time (and pray that you never have to reinstall one of them or they break down), or to buy the books again if you wish to read them more than once. I think you have gotten the who a bit wrong in who is doing the stealing part.

      Bottom line is, the interested parties in this want to use the DMCA to violate every tradition of consumer rights in copyright law.

    8. Re:Elcomsoft!? by Milican · · Score: 2

      I agree with you. Granted, companies like Adobe try to put in content protection to help publishers. However, in the end customers are getting robbed because their electronic purchases are non-transferrable. For example, I just bought the ANSI C Standard (yes C99.. woohoo). I can view it on my computer just fine, but if I want to have it with me on my Palm I can't because the Palm Acrobat Reader requires a conversion which I cannot do without the password. I paid for the PDF yet I cannot upload it to my own Palm Pilot. Thats unfair use, thats why fscking e-books and any other non-transferable license can kiss my ass. As long as their is unfair content control they publishers not the users are the crooks.

      JOhn

    9. Re:Elcomsoft!? by Znork · · Score: 2

      This is configurable by the publisher of the ebook in question, Adobes reader supports printing if the publisher allows it, but probably not. After all, if you could print it that would be like copying, which is bad because then they cant sell the same thing to you twice. Heh.

    10. Re:Elcomsoft!? by Datafage · · Score: 2

      Thinking you can do anything you want to anyone else cause you're the biggest kid on the block is called being a bully.

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    11. Re:Elcomsoft!? by jgerman · · Score: 2

      Free Speech is not absolute. Nor should it be. It's illegal to yell "fire" in a crowded place, for instance. It's also illegal to Show people how to circumvent an encryption device. Again should it be, no... but it is.

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  3. these are felonies in usa by perlfish · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The indictment alleges that the programmer and the company conspired for "commercial advantage and private financial gain."

    We should be hanging everyone who is guilty of these things.

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  4. Moral of the story is... by WasterDave · · Score: 2

    "ElcomSoft was culpable because it sold the program for $99 in the United States through an online payment service based in Issaquah, Wash., and with a Web site hosted in Chicago."

    ...Don't host in the states. Rackspace Europe? Verio AsiaPacific?

    Dave

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  5. 5 counts? by jeffy124 · · Score: 2

    5 criminal charges against him!? I see about 3: trafficing software that violates DMCA, selling software that violates DMCA (which is his company, not him). Ok, so it's two. Little help please?

    Has the court posted the pdfs of today's proceedings anywhere?

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    1. Re:5 counts? by FredGray · · Score: 2, Interesting
      OK, so I just read the indictment. There is one charge of "Conspiracy to Traffic in Technology Primarily Designed to Circumvent, and Marketed for Use in Circumventing, Technology that Protects a Right of a Copyright Owner." There then follow four nearly identical charges of actually "Trafficking" in such technology, one for each copy of the e-book processor software sold in the U.S.A.

      That's right, friends. Apparently they think they can send you to prison for five years for EACH COPY of infringing software that you sell (plus one for "conspiracy"). It doesn't take long to build up a life sentence that way...

    2. Re:5 counts? by dipsy33 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh, there are several more:
      1.) being a foreigner defying a US law
      2.) being a RUSSIAN defying a US law
      3.) being a foreigner defying US corporate interest
      4.) Having the audacity to enter the land of the free thinking you can get away with it
      ...

  6. where's my checkbook? by klund · · Score: 2

    Where's my checkbook?

    It's time to make anothe donation to the EFF.

    Seriously, each and every one of us should make a small donation to the EFF so we can fight this miscarriage of justice. We don't have to put up with bad laws! Just because Congress has been bought and paid for by the members of the MPAA, the RIAA, and the BSA doesn't mean we have to bend over and take it.

    This DMCA crap has got to be stopped.

    Besides, the EFF raid hats are really cool.

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    1. Re:where's my checkbook? by tshak · · Score: 2

      I know it's not much, but my $300 just got sent to the EFF. What a small sacrifice in light of what's at stake for Dmitry, and our freedom.

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    2. Re:where's my checkbook? by gilroy · · Score: 5, Funny
      Blockquoth the poster:

      I've yet to see one news story cover this case that even goes so far as to mention the said act. And guess what? We never will.


      Well, how about:

      Every one of these includes a line like "first prosecution under the Digital Millenium Copyright Act". So I guess the mainstream media is noticing the case and they're even using the name of the "said act".
      Those are just the ones I pulled off the page I'm keeping following the case. It's hardly an exhaustive list, either.


      My point is, all this bellyaching -- "No one is paying attention" -- is simply not true. It's just an excuse to sit on one's behind and do nothing, because "the System" is allegedly ignoring the issue and "the people" allegedly don't care.


      Fact is, people do care. Copyright law is arcane and obscure, so perhaps it's understandable that there aren't mass protests in the streets. Yet. But the allegation that the mainstream media is completely ignoring this is hooey.

    3. Re:where's my checkbook? by Sloppy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      too bad not enough voters gave a damn to find out in '98

      Lewinsky scandal. DMCA isn't the only shady thing that got through during that period.

      The lesson here is that the media is easily distracted, and the Bad Guys know how to use it.

      I wonder what kinds of things have been happening in Washington over the summer while the spotlight has been focused on Condit, giving the other cockroaches a convenient cloak of darkness. I guess we'll find out next year.

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  7. This is a damn shame. by jjn1056 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now let's all concentrate on getting the guy home to his wife and kids, and not use him to further our political ends. If someone volunteers to be a test case for the FSF or others, that's fine; he did not, and is a unwitting victim of our police state.

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    1. Re:This is a damn shame. by jgerman · · Score: 2
      Jesus Christ! He's not an unwitting victim. He came here a broke the law. What is with you people that you think a foreigner can come over here and break ours laws with impunity. If that was the case, I'd start my own country, and come over to the U.S. to murder, and steal for a living, only to return to my country unhindered, becasue I wouldn't have laws against that. See how ridiculous that sounds. It doesn't matter that he is from another country, he broke the law and the situation will be handled as such.


      At this point the best thing you can do is to fight to get him off. It's going to court, it SHOULD go to court, because by our law it is a criminal case. Deal with it. And while you're dealing help fight it.


      There is no doubt in my mind that Dmitry should go free, but not because he's a foreigner, but because the law was bad to begin with, but that doesn't make it any less a law. Until the proper channels for repealing a bad law are tested and have failed do we have to right to start looking for other methods.

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    2. Re:This is a damn shame. by The+Mayor · · Score: 2

      Dalai Lama! He is an unwitting victim. He didn't break a Russian law. He broke an American law, while on Russian soil. How would you like it if Russian laws applied to you? I don't think you'd like it. Now, after breaking said law, let's say you take a business trip to Moscow. While in Russia, the Russian authorities nab you. That would suck. There would be a huge outcry against it. Yet that is exactly what happened here. The US tried to impose its laws on the citizen of another country while that citizen was outside the US. That's really bad.

      He did not break the law on American soil. And he's not an American citizen (American citizens can be held liable within the US for crimes they commit outside the US borders, even if they're legal in the country where the crime was committed). I'm not sure how US law really applies here. But, then again, I'm not really sure of the reasoning behind the DMCA.

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    3. Re:This is a damn shame. by jgerman · · Score: 2

      Wrong he broke U.S. law on U.S. soil. He was explaining how to circumvent the encryption in Vegas. Go read the DMCA, IT IS AGAINST THE LAW. It's not difficult to understand. I agree the DMCA is wrong but he still violated it while in this country.

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  8. Not exactly by JohnG · · Score: 2
    I hate to play devils advocate, but the moral of the story isn't "Don't host in the US." it's "Don't host in the US if you plan on breaking US law."
    Whether or not we agree with the laws, there is a big difference between the two morals.

    1. Re:Not exactly by S.+Allen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The moral of the story is that with enough money, you can craft your own law. The moral of the story is also that our lawmakers neither "get it" nor do they care. Until their polls tell them they're on the wrong side of the issue, expect more corporate-sponsored shackles on our hard-won freedoms (hard won by our ancestors, that is).

      Laws CAN be wrong. It's happened before (segregation, voting rights, prohibition, etc) and it'll happen again. We sit by idly at our own peril.

  9. No surprise here... by kcbrown · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But to see why, you have to first know the reason the DMCA exists to begin with. I talk about that here.

    Now, it's important to realize that the corporations behind the DMCA want to use it as a terror weapon. How else can you prevent people from creating and trafficking in copyright circumvention devices (software or otherwise)? A law which nobody behaves is a useless law. But a terror weapon isn't effective if people don't believe you'll use it.

    If the prosecution were to drop this case, it would make it clear that the DMCA is a law that the government isn't willing to enforce (after all, if they're not going to enforce it against a foreign national, what chance is there that they'll enforce it against a U.S. citizen?).

    So they'll take this case as far as the defense is willing to go, hoping that the defense runs out of resources or time before this gets to the Supreme Court.

    And trust me, the government will put a lot of money and resources into this case. They want to get and keep a conviction as long as possible, because that's what the government's masters (the corporations) want. so expect to see this case drag on for years, if not decades.

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  10. indicted? big deal... by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 2

    we all figured on this happening, right? now, if he's *convicted*, that'll suck.

    - A.P.

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  11. Freedom for Dmitry! by wfrp01 · · Score: 2

    This make my blood curdle. This man has a wife and two children. He is a guest of the United States of America. And he has been put in jail to await prosecutions for what?! - talking to a group of computer professionals about the weaknesses inherent to particular encryption technologies!

    The "freedom" we love to chatter about is not merely an abstraction, an interesting conversation at a summer BBQ, a fly in the ointment of our libertarian campaigns. Freedom is real. Dmitry's children can't see their father. He's been branded a criminal. This is wrong, wrong, wrong.

    Give Dmitry freedom! Give him freedom in a country founded on the principle of freedom!

    If Dmitry is not freed, I propose that everyone with the capability of shutting down an email server do so upon his conviction.

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    1. Re:Freedom for Dmitry! by wfrp01 · · Score: 2

      I'm awake. ;)

      But even in the USofA, we must suffer diatribes about the merits of 'abstract, difficult to understand, unfriendly to business' concepts like 'freedom'. Bah. Freedom is Freedom. Damn to hell anyone who wants to take mine away.

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    2. Re:Freedom for Dmitry! by wfrp01 · · Score: 2

      He is not being charged for TALKING but for trying to sell his program in US.

      What's the difference?

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    3. Re:Freedom for Dmitry! by gilroy · · Score: 2
      Blockquoth the poster:

      ... this country is based on freedom for americans, not for everyone.

      Amazingly, astonishingly, this is not true. It is one of the wonders of human history, and perhaps more than a little accidental, but the United States (in theory) recognizes the freedoms of humanity regardless of nationality. The courts have consistently ruled that immigrants, illegal aliens, foreign nationals, etc., are all entitled to all the Constitutional guarantees that citizens are. If these things are true, they are true for everyone.


      We can argue, of course, about how well the US lives up to that high standard, but it is the standard.

  12. Isn't this such a sad sight? by phoenix_orb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why, in this country of supposed freedom, do we allow companies to control not only specific markets, (in the case of Micro$oft monopoly) but also allow them to lobby towards laws that take away freedoms, such as freedom of speech.

    I know that ElComSoft Co. Ltd made mistakes when they started selling a program designed to defeat a specific type of encryption. I feel that this is wrong. Unfortunately, arresting a programer for giving a speech about how he broke the encryption is hogwash as well. (did I really say hogwash...)

    This country (the USA) was founded upon ideals that one man can speak his mind, and express himself in whatever way that he chooses, as so long as it doesn't detriment others. (thus, yelling "fire" in a theater is wrong) I see no reason why showing an encryption to be faulty and how to circumvent it AS A ACADEMIC STUDY wrong. As I said before, I think that the company was at fault, but can the "oh so mighty" hand of the US touch a company in Russia? Nope, we can't, at least legally anyway. So the goverment uses a poorly worded law to push the corporate views on American people. What will be next? Will I be arrested because I point out a security hole in Microsoft's hotmail site? No, but if I start selling a product that will allow it's user's to read other's email, I can and I should be arrested. I don't believe that Sklyarov ownes this company, he is just a programmer.

    This person has been arrested for violation of the DMCA. I don't believe in the DMCA, and unfortunately, I cannot make my congressman or senator understand why. (The breaking of encryption is over their heads, and copyrights and patents lasting forever is very vague to them as well.) They are too pressured my lobbyists throwing bags of money at them to listen to something that would blackball them in the lobbyists eyes. So what happens? More rights are taken away from all Americans, and 85% or more of Americans don't know of don't care.

    It is a sad state.

    Ben Franklin ( I think ) said that "the price of freedom is eternal vigilance." But Americans have become to apathetic to even care about there government, much less the actions that the government has been taking. And because of this more and more skewed laws have worked there way in the the US Code. Sadly, today, they could arrest almost anyone with the inordinate amount of laws on the books. They chose here and now to arrest Mr. Sklyarov. I hope that he wins, and I hope that the court system invalidates this very askew law. It would help put more freedom back into the individuals hand, and away from the greedy corporate entity.

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    1. Re:Isn't this such a sad sight? by zpengo · · Score: 2
      I see no reason why showing an encryption to be faulty and how to circumvent it AS A ACADEMIC STUDY wrong.

      I don't think I've ever seen a more grammatically challenged sentence containing the word "academic."

      In general, though, I agree with what you're saying. We're allowed to give speeches about how to make nuclear weapons in our garage, how to pick locks, how to have sex with dogs and just about anything else, but a man who gives a speech about a mathematical algorithm goes to jail.

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    2. Re:Isn't this such a sad sight? by sheetsda · · Score: 2
      Ben Franklin ( I think ) said that "the price of freedom is eternal vigilance."

      "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is the natural manure."
      - Thomas Jefferson

      Might Dmitry be one of those patriots? Just food for thought.

    3. Re:Isn't this such a sad sight? by mpe · · Score: 2

      I don't believe in the DMCA, and unfortunately, I cannot make my congressman or senator understand why. (The breaking of encryption is over their heads, and copyrights and patents lasting forever is very vague to them as well.)

      Maybe you should try a different tack and ask they whey they are not vigourously opposing the passing of laws which they don't understand...

    4. Re:Isn't this such a sad sight? by radja · · Score: 2

      what dmitry did is very much like yelling 'FIRE' in a theater. When there actually is a fire...

      //rdj

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    5. Re:Isn't this such a sad sight? by V50 · · Score: 2

      That's the problem here. Dmitry is not a patriot for the US any more than I am. If I went to the US and got arrested for doing something that was completly legal here in Canada, but illeagal under a contraversial law in the US and wasn't allowed to see my family in Canada until the court case was over, I would consider myself a US patriot much less than I do now (which is already less than nothing).

    6. Re:Isn't this such a sad sight? by flatrock · · Score: 2

      Why, in this country of supposed freedom, do we allow companies to control not only specific markets, (in the case of Micro$oft monopoly) but also allow them to lobby towards laws that take away freedoms, such as freedom of speech.

      Companies are made up of people. Those people also have a right to free speech. Those people have a right to tell their congressmen that they think there needs to be stronger laws to protect their interests, and that right shouldn't be taken away. Taking away their rights is no better than the govenment stomping on Fair Use with the DMCA. Laws always have to balance the rights of different people. The problem is that the DCMA should not have been passed, and the courts should toos it out.

      I know that ElComSoft Co. Ltd made mistakes when they started selling a program designed to defeat a specific type of encryption. I feel that this is wrong. Unfortunately, arresting a programer for giving a speech about how he broke the encryption is hogwash as well.

      Sklyarov was arrested because he creating the software and because it was distributed in the United States.

      I see no reason why showing an encryption to be faulty and how to circumvent it AS A ACADEMIC STUDY wrong.

      Sklyarov wrote the software that brakes the copy protection for a commercial company, and got paid for doing it. He had to know they were going to sell it. The real question is if he knew they would sell it in the United States. It's not an academic study when you're creating the product for money.

    7. Re:Isn't this such a sad sight? by sheetsda · · Score: 2

      I'm not trying to imply he's a US partiot, or even that his being held is just. I don't believe either of those things. Jefferson was saying in order to maintain the rights of the people in the US(which I believe are guaranteed to visitors as well as citizens), some people must make great sacrifices, exactly who is irrelevant. Dmitry's case is more unfortunate than most US citizens would be in the same situation because he is far from home and in a foreign place, beyond that, it could have been any one of us, luck just wasn't with him. You might take Bill Gates to be the tyrant in our time(as soon as his company is split up anyway). This case could be the one that shows the Supreme Court how outragiously unconstitutional the DMCA is, and precludes other countries from passing similar laws. Should things go this way, we'll have Dmitry to thank. If not, then we're only one more unjust trial further, not all that big of a margin. Despite what we Americans are brainwashed to think, this country currently doesn't get us anywhere close to "liberty and justice for all". This is where Dmitry's "blood" comes into play.

    8. Re:Isn't this such a sad sight? by p3d0 · · Score: 2
      Ben Franklin ( I think ) said that "the price of freedom is eternal vigilance."

      Well, if you ask Google, it seems a number of people may have said it, including Thomas Paine, Ben Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson. This site claims that it's none of the above.

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    9. Re:Isn't this such a sad sight? by dachshund · · Score: 2
      Companies are made up of people. Those people also have a right to free speech.

      Who suggested taking that right away from them? Of course, the bags of cash they give to politicians, on the other hand... Those could probably go. Unless you're of the "bags of cash" == "free speech" mindset.

      Sklyarov wrote the software that brakes the copy protection for a commercial company, and got paid for doing it. He had to know they were going to sell it

      That's sort of irrelevant, isn't it? The DMCA is an American law, and therefore applies to Americans and not Russians on Russian soil. End of story. If Dmitri had created it on American soil he would have broken the law. If he had personally distributed it on American soil, he would have broken the law. But intent is utterly irrelevant when discussing a non-crime, which is what his creation of the software was.

      Put it this way. We can't retroactively prosecute the guy who invented and first consumed synthetic LSD, because no matter what his intent, it wasn't a crime to posess or distribute the substance at that time. And thank god for that, or we'd always be worried about breaking some law that doesn't exist yet. Similarly, Iran can't prosecute non-Iranian citizens for breaking Iranian laws outside of Iran (and when the Ayatollah has attempted to do so in his way, it brought world condemnation.) This is the way things should be, and to try and flip it around is dangerous and illegal. If you want to prosecute somebody, it would have to be ElComSoft (and don't imagine that I'm condoning that either, but for other reasons.) I believe that the DMCA is an illegal law, but it is a law nonetheless, which means it must be applied just like all other laws... that is: legally.

  13. Re:Boycott Adobe Now! by mackman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    RTFA, "Adobe dropped its support of the case on July 23." IOW, it's now the US government that's persuing the case. Adobe's realized that the US is over-eager to apply the DCMA, and has backed off. Perhaps we should boycott the US instead?

  14. Re:looking forward to the russian response... by jeffy124 · · Score: 2

    you raise a good point - anyone of our russian slashdotters care to comment on how your government is reacting to the whole Dimitry thing? Or how ElComSoft has reacted?

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  15. not to "get around copyright protections" by bigpat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The software doesn't "get around copyright protections." Copyright is a legal protection, the software merely allows you to get around copy protections. Does anyone else think the difference is important?

    1. Re:not to "get around copyright protections" by gilroy · · Score: 2
      Blockquoth the poster:

      Does anyone else think the difference is important?

      Well, lurking on slashdot, there are a few of us who believe the battleground is the language employed. But we learn that the typical slashdot thread is not hospitable to arguments based on nuance and subtlety... that's why we can have a hundred messages arguing whether "piracy is evil or a right", but not one decrying the arrogation of the word "piracy" to apply to a markedly non-violent crime (copyright infringement).


      Yield the language and you yield the war... but it doesn't seem to make much headway here.

  16. Re:Guess we're in for the long haul by Ridge2001 · · Score: 2, Informative
    could spend 5 years in jail if convicted

    They added a few conspiracy charges against him. It's up to 25 years now.

  17. Re:well by lawyamike · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I do not buy it.

    Nearly all legal systems dating back to the Code of Justinian recognize the difference between malum prohibitum and malum in se. The former refers to conduct that is criminal by diktat; the latter refers to to conduct that is criminal by its very nature.

    In other words, were Sklyarov murdering people or depriving people of property, there might be a better case for not treating him with any leniency, particularly where his case has significant constitutional implications.

  18. Have you ever been to these protests? They're sad by bugg · · Score: 2
    Here's the EFF's release on the indictment, too -- including information about where to go if you'd like to demonstrate your reaction publicly.

    Has anyone here ever been to one of these protests? I attended an EFF protest of the DMCA in Pittsburgh a few weeks ago. It was scheduled for noon, but I was busy then, so I showed up around 2:30 pm. Nobody was there. No sign of a protest, no signs, nada. Later a friend of mine who was there said they left around 2, because they were tired. That's perhaps the sorriest excuse for a protest I've ever heard. I'm sure they left a lasting impression on society.

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    -bugg
  19. My song for dmitry by wrinkledshirt · · Score: 3, Funny

    Young man,
    there's no need to feel down
    Because your plane
    back home can't get off the ground
    I said young man,
    Get comfy in your new town
    There's no need to be unhappy.

    Young man,
    There's no place you can go
    I said young man,
    Until you cough up some dough
    You will stay here
    until you've served all your time
    For your insignificant crime.

    It's fun to stay in the U S of A,
    Because of that old grand D M C A
    For cracking DVD's,
    Or an e-book or three,
    You'll get jailed for eterniteeeee...

    It's fun to stay in the U S of A
    Because of that old grand D M C A
    For proving to the world
    That our encryption's a toy
    You'll get jailed with all the boyyyyyyys...

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    Bleah! Heh heh heh... BLEAH BLEAH!!! Ha ha ha ha...

    1. Re:My song for dmitry by mav[LAG] · · Score: 2

      Quite possibly the funniest song parody I've ever read on /. - where are my mod points when I need them!

      --
      --- Hot Shot City is particularly good.
  20. Elcomsoft should be paying for his legal fees by Telek · · Score: 2

    If they aren't, why the hell aren't they?!!? It was Skylarov under their employ writing the program. So you're telling me that if I write a program for my company that violates some stupid law in some other country, I cannot ever hope to go to that country under fear of prosecution?

    If he did it solely and entirely to make a financial gain, then sure I can see this case having a point. But without that, it's entirely pointless.

    But luckily, if this case goes to a jury (which I believe that with penalties like that it must go to a jury) they will never convict. There is no way that any group of 12 people could unanimously send a father to prison for 5 years because he wrote a program for his employer that, really, does jack all. How many e-books are there? What does this program really affect ??? This guy has done practically nothing. It's like arresting me for dropping a piece of paper out of my pocket and sticking me in prison for 5 years for "defacing public property" or something stupid like that. This is overkill to the nth degree.

    Sorry, but this just gets me all wound up again.

    Mind you, it was no surprise that they indicted. There was no way that they were not going to indict, but lets hope to God that this insanity stops before it gets to court, and that if it does get that far that they won't convict. Maybe then I'll still believe that the USA has at least a shred of hope...

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    If God gave us curiosity
    1. Re:Elcomsoft should be paying for his legal fees by aozilla · · Score: 2

      It was Skylarov under their employ writing the program. So you're telling me that if I write a program for my company that violates some stupid law in some other country, I cannot ever hope to go to that country under fear of prosecution?


      Sklyarov (note the spelling), not Elcomsoft, was the copyright holder for the program. Therefore he was not merely working for Elcomsoft. In fact, Elcomsoft was working for him (as a distributor). In reality the distinction may be minor, but legally it may turn out to be a key issue in the case.

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  21. ElComSoft yes, but Skylov? by Cerlyn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have never seen anything to date that said Sklyarov himself was involved with the Ebook decoder project. Just being with a company that did illegal things is not illegal in itself; otherwise we would arrest all their janitors and secretaries.

    Even if he did work on the Ebook project, he could claim that he did not knowingly do anything wrong since (1) it was not illegal work in Russia and (2) it work done solely for a Russian company. While claiming ignorance of the law is no excuse, I don't see how a jury could convict him directly given these facts.

    That being said, shouldn't the United States be going after the company's officers (CEO, etc.), and not Sklyarov?

    1. Re:ElComSoft yes, but Skylov? by bridgette · · Score: 2

      The FBI claims that Sklyarov is the copyright holder and that being the copyright holder makes him the responsible party. Elmsoft denies that Sklyarov is the copyright holder.

      Which makes me wonder, if I were a pornographer from say, Amsterdam, and I used 16 year old models in my work (legal), and I sold distribution rights for one of my copywritten works to a 3rd party who then tried to resell the work in the US (illegal), would they be content to lock up the seller and throw away the key, or would they feel the need to go after me as well?

      Are copyright holders now obliged to monitor any party that they sell rights to and somehow revoke rights if that party violates some law somewhere?

      Does this mean that I can purchase the rights to do a public screening of "Dirty Dancing" and then show it in Afganistan and some representative of the movie studio would be extradited to Kabul and tried by the Taliban?

      It's madness.

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      - bridgette
    2. Re:ElComSoft yes, but Skylov? by MrBogus · · Score: 2

      I have never seen anything to date that said Sklyarov himself was involved with the Ebook decoder project.

      Two scenarios:

      1) The FBI was acting on hearsay from the Adobe corporation, and arrested Sklyarov because he claimed at a hacker convention that he cracked eBooks. Totally possible, but this scenario would leave them open to great embarassment if it was found that either they had the wrong person or the software did not work as advertised.

      2) The FBI purchased or obtained the software from the person said to be Sklyarov and then verified it did in fact bypass eBook copy protection before making the arrest.

      Most people here seem to be assuming #1. I'll bet a dollar on scenario #2.

      That being said, shouldn't the United States be going after the company's officers (CEO, etc.)

      Is there any evidence that there's more than one employee at this company?

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      When I hear the word 'innovation', I reach for my pistol.
  22. Not suprising by bobthemonkey13 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I hate to say this, but the grand jury indictment doesnt suprise me one bit. As much as we hate it, the DMCA is the law. And there's plenty of evidence that Dmitry violated the DMCA. Right now the most important thing is to get Dmitry home to his family right now. If that sets a precedent for the DMCA, that's great, but let's not make Dmitry a martyr at his own expense (yes I realize that's an oxymoron). The DMCA can be challenged later, probably in the Supreme Court. Unfortunatly, this means that there will have to be more and more Sklyarov/Felton/2600-esque cases untill the DMCA is gone for good.

  23. Maybe I'm alone here... by Sarcasmooo! · · Score: 2

    But I sincerely hope that the EFF will use the power of public support to push the feds for a plea bargain with no jail time, or just deportation maybe. I'm not a lawyer, and I definitely despise the DMCA and support Dimitry, but with the site that was hosted in the US and the fact that Elcomsoft was profiting from this, I don't think that this is a winnable case. Ethics and common sense are on our side, and I believe the Felten case is very strong, but I believe Dimitry would be convicted simply because a judge's reaction will go something like 'right or wrong, the law is the law.' Or maybe I've just been watching too much Law & Order.

    1. Re:Maybe I'm alone here... by Sarcasmooo! · · Score: 2

      And while Dimitry is the main issue, it would also be nice to not risk losing a case that would then appear to substantiate the DMCA.

  24. This is illegal? by CaptainCarrot · · Score: 2
    From the Salon article:

    The indictment alleges that the programmer and the company conspired for "commercial advantage and private financial gain."

    So this is now a crime? When will we see Microsoft hauled in on this charge then? Or Adobe? Or any for-profit entity for that matter?

    By the way, the original subject of this post was "This is illegal?!!", but I had to change it because of the "postersubj compression filter". Note to CmdrTaco et al: Your dumbass lameness filters are broken. They don't stop trolls and ASCII art, and they annoy legitimate posters. Either fix them or get rid of them. Or at least put a meaningful error message in there. "Postersubj compression filter" doesn't yield much of a clue as to what's wrong unless one wants to slog through the morass of Slashcode to find out what triggered the message. And I don't.

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    And the brethren went away edified.
  25. Sigh by cnkeller · · Score: 2
    I realize the indictment is not the fault of Adobe, but I still feel they are responsible for initiating this stupid mess. Although if we get the DMCA repealed it will have been worth it. Pity it takes the incarceration of a foreign national to make the US step back and take a look at our laws. You'd think we could do it ourselves.

    At any rate, I'm considering initiating a personal/cororate boycott of Adobe products, including PDF. I've fought long and hard to replace word documention with PDF (word isn't suited for technical docs anyway). Is there a good replacement for PDF? PostScript? Before anyone shouts something wierd like TeX or DVI; be serious, that may work in a lab or research group, but not for coporate america.

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    there are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots

    1. Re:Sigh by jmv · · Score: 2

      In almost all cases I prefer PostScript to PDF. Not that much for the format itself, but because ghostscript/ghostview/gv is 100x faster than Acrobat Reader. The other advantage is that you can produce Postscript from any application (in the worst case, you just need a Windows postscript printer driver) without paying Adobe a dime.

    2. Re:Sigh by Dr.+Sp0ng · · Score: 2

      In almost all cases I prefer PostScript to PDF. Not that much for the format itself, but because ghostscript/ghostview/gv is 100x faster than Acrobat Reader. The other advantage is that you can produce Postscript from any application (in the worst case, you just need a Windows postscript printer driver) without paying Adobe a dime.

      Dude, PDF is Postscript. Try opening a PDF in ghostview. It works fine.

    3. Re:Sigh by jcr · · Score: 2

      >I realize the indictment is not the fault of Adobe

      NO, damn it. Don't let them off the hook. The indictment is ABSOLUTELY the fault of Adobe. That company behaved like a pack of scientologists, using legal harassment to try to shut up someone who embarrassed them by pointing out their incompetence.

      They knew what they were doing, and they didn't relent because of conscience, they relented out of FEAR of protests and boycott.

      I've said it before, that if Adobe were serious about making amends, they'd pay for Dmitry's bail, and EVERY PENNY of his defense.

      -jcr

      --
      The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
    4. Re:Sigh by Dr.+Sp0ng · · Score: 2

      'Scuse me, PDF is not Postscript. Try opening a PDF in a text editor. A few keywords saying that it's PDF, and awhacking great collection of binary data.

      Yes it is. I don't know the specifics, but I do know that PDF is simply Postscript with some extra stuff (maybe the ability to encode it in some sort of binary format instead of plain text is one of these extra features). But I also know that the ps2pdf (and pdf2ps) script doesn't do much at all, and the resulting PDFs are plain text and look very much like a regular postscript file.

    5. Re:Sigh by Tackhead · · Score: 2
      > Yes it is. I don't know the specifics, but I do know that PDF is simply Postscript with some extra stuff (maybe the ability to encode it in some sort of binary format instead of plain text is one of these extra features). But I also know that the ps2pdf (and pdf2ps) script doesn't do much at all, and the resulting PDFs are plain text and look very much like a regular postscript file.

      PDFs also allow for things that postscript doesn't - like a table of contents off to the side, if you're publishing books. Like the ability to navigate cross-references by clicking on them like one would a URL. (PDFs also allow for some far-out stuff, like filling out forms, some really dumb stuff like running Javascript in those forms, and things like image maps. I can live without those bloat^H^H^H^H^H features if I can generate PDFs out of FrameMaker-generated PostScript, and end up with PDFs that have "live" hyperlinks and nice tables of contents in the sidebar.)

      I'm can live with using FrameMaker to create Postscript files with PDF metadata in 'em - IMNSHO it's the best tool for the job I'm doing.

      But I'd be ecstatic if I could ditch Acrobat (or Distiller) for some sort of free-as-in-speech solution.

      The next time my Adobe salesrep calls me to sell me another round of Acrobat and/or Distiller upgrades, I'd love to tell my him not just where to stick it, but why he should stick it. ("I've replaced your PDF-generation suite of tools with open source equivalents. They do the job better, for less money, and I sleep better at night knowing we've done our part to minimize the extent to which we fund what I believe to be your company's unethical behiavor.")

      The only way to get ethical behavior out of a company is to hit 'em where it hurts when they step out of line.

  26. Wow... this should piss Russia off by kypper · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Consider that this would seriously irritate Russia, who isn't too pleased with the United States as it is.


    Consider too that many of the best minds are not from America, and this sort of bullshit will easily dissuade them from ever touching on American soil.


    The DCMA and disgustingly similar concepts are going to box the United States in, and slowly but utterly stagnate it.


    Summary:

    Prosecution for Speaking (thought police) =

    Fewer bright citizens immigrating (or just plain aiding) for fear of prosecution =

    Fewer innovations in the USA =

    The eventual demise of an empire.


    Quite the leap, but you know... I ain't the only one saying it.

    1. Re:Wow... this should piss Russia off by fishbowl · · Score: 2


      I have a somewhat bleaker picture than
      simply the "eventual demise of an empire".

      The eroding of the constitutional framework
      brings heavy responsibilites to the nation.
      It saddens me to realize that we will probably
      be fighting another civil war this century,
      because of the activities of the entertainment industry.

      At least the last civil war was brought about by
      something closer to life -- agriculture. Fighting for the constitution over *entertainment* will be disgusting, but we are
      required to do it.

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    2. Re:Wow... this should piss Russia off by fishbowl · · Score: 2



      >Can you say "Revolution Calling?"

      But things have to get a lot worse. Evidently,
      they need to get a whole hell of a lot worse before the constitional issues even get noticed.

      It speaks volumes of the tolerance of Americans that the 20th century only produced ONE unabomber, and ONE Timothy McVeigh. How much more will we take? Can you think of a scenario
      that would lead to military divisions separating and turning against the lawful authority? (This has happened twice in the nation's history, so I don't doubt it could happen again).

      The existence of nuclear weapons throws a kink in the historical pattern that has never been tested, or even discussed openly, very much. But it is clear that the people in control of nuclear weapons would prefer to destroy civilization than to surrender their power.

      I hope it doesn't come to that, but history and human nature say that it will, eventually.

      Hopefully it will not be an aspect of the entertainment industry that sets off the revolution. That would be just plain silly.

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      -fb Everything not expressly forbidden is now mandatory.
    3. Re:Wow... this should piss Russia off by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2

      > Consider too that many of the best minds are not from America, and this sort of bullshit will easily dissuade them from ever touching on American soil.

      Or how 'bout if America's best minds start emigrating?

      I need only say "Goodwin's Law" to point out the historical precedent. It may sound like a stretch, until you consider academic researchers withdrawing conference papers over fear of persecution.

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      Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
    4. Re:Wow... this should piss Russia off by eric17 · · Score: 2

      Now wait a minute. We may have our problems, but at least the principles that this great country were founded on are still intact: individual rights, limited government, and a fair and equal justice for all.

      <ponder>

      All right. So much for that. So where's the next gig?

    5. Re:Wow... this should piss Russia off by IronChef · · Score: 2

      The American people will NOT continue to allow the Constitution of this great country to be raped, forever.

      I only wish I could agree with you. People are sheep. Every generation gets fatter, dumber and more complacent. I do now know why, only that it is happening.

      See how many people you know that can list the concepts in the Bill of Rights. Almost no one can. The Constitution is not relevant to today's society. Not because IT has failed... but we have, as a society, failed to hold up our end of the bargain. We have to be diligent to preserve our rights, and we are not.

      People like you and I that are mindful of these issues are labeled as whackos. The only arguments that carry any weight in today's politics are emotional. It's all "for the children," or against, "evil hackers."

      Being a patriot is never easy. And it's going to get a whole lot harder within our lifetimes.

    6. Re:Wow... this should piss Russia off by Baki · · Score: 2

      Not only piss Russia off, but also a lot of the rest of the world.

      I think America is developing itself to be the new totalitarian bully of the world that everyone fears and hates (at least the free world), a role once held by the Soviet Union.

    7. Re:Wow... this should piss Russia off by mpe · · Score: 2

      The eroding of the constitutional framework
      brings heavy responsibilites to the nation.
      It saddens me to realize that we will probably
      be fighting another civil war this century,
      because of the activities of the entertainment industry.


      Probably not just the entertainment industry, since the US constitution (especially 10th and 14th ammendments) has other powerful opponants.

    8. Re:Wow... this should piss Russia off by mpe · · Score: 2

      We may have our problems, but at least the principles that this great country were founded on are still intact: individual rights, limited government, and a fair and equal justice for all.

      Actually these (especially the latter) are very much not intact. But the vast majority of the US populace don't realise...

    9. Re:Wow... this should piss Russia off by Tackhead · · Score: 2
      > > Consider too that many of the best minds are not from America, and this sort of bullshit will easily dissuade them from ever touching on American soil.
      >
      > Or how 'bout if America's best minds start emigrating?

      Or both.

      I know a couple of non-Americans who came here a few years ago lookin' to make a bundle off the dot-com boom. They did.

      I met 'em for beer a couple of months ago, and we talked about the bust. They're not filthy rich anymore, but they've got green cards and managed to keep enough Silly Money that they can choose whether or not to stay here and found their own companies, or go back home and do it there.

      Anyways, one of 'em said something that really struck home:

      "I came here looking for the land of opportunity. A slow slide into a police state wasn't part of the bargain. Home doesn't look so bad anymore."

      I feet sorry for the guy. But he has a point. Most of the geeks I know (myself included), once we passed our larval "20 GOTO 10" stage, got heavily into computers by reverse-engineering assembly code in the 8-bit days. We discovered that cracking the stuff was more fun than playing the games. We then discovered that writing games was more fun than cracking 'em or playing 'em.

      I don't know if the same pattern holds for today's developers-to-be, but when it becomes illegal to learn how to develop software in the States, software development will move elsewhere.

      "The 'net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it."

      It looks like we're reaching the stage where it's gonna route people around it as well as packets.

  27. Perfect Target by Maul · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Unfortunately for Dmitry, he is a perfect target to be criminally prosecuted under the DMCA. I'm sure that the feds had many potential cases against domestic violators, but I think they chose Dmitry for a few reasons.


    First off, he isn't a US citizen. He is a visitor from a foreign country. This leaves him with fewer resources, fewer rights, and little understanding of the rights he does have.
    IANAL, and I don't know exactly what rights an accused foreigner has in the USA, but I'm sure that the feds are less inclined to play by the rules they have to when dealing with a citizen.


    Secondly, he isn't just any foreigner, he's Russian. If the general public is going to take notice of the DMCA, the feds want a good impression. Lots of people (sadly and surprisingly) still view the Russians as "the enemy" and will view Dmitry as an "evil communist." Thus they might see the DMCA as something that fights the evil commies.


    This also might strike fear into citizens of other nations, and convey the message that no country is as powerful as the US, which will FIND a way to subject everyone world wide to its laws.


    As a Citizen of the US, I am very angry about this. Dmitry should be freed and sent home immediately, and then the White House should send an apology to the Russians for this behavior.
    I know that they'd demand the same for one of our citizens cought up in a BS situation like this in another country.

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    "You spoony bard!" -Tellah

    1. Re:Perfect Target by psych031337 · · Score: 2, Informative

      First off, he isn't a US citizen. He is a visitor from a foreign country. This leaves him with fewer resources, fewer rights, and little understanding of the rights he does have.
      IANAL, and I don't know exactly what rights an accused foreigner has in the USA, but I'm sure that the feds are less inclined to play by the rules they have to when dealing with a citizen.

      Please take a look at http://www.thedailycamera.com/news/worldnation/28a cort.html for a recent case of the US authorities denying rights of "alien" citizens. In this case the right to consular advice has been denied, and also declined postponing the execution of the convicts. The UN court actually found the Americans *guilty*. If you find this disturbing or hard to believe, feel free to search google with the terms "us deny consular rights". Quite a bunch of results. Granted, these people were convicted of murder, but this makes it a more clever stunt to me. If they were engaged in a "victimless crime" the american masses might have cried out. But in a murder case...


      This also might strike fear into citizens of other nations, and convey the message that no country is as powerful as the US, which will FIND a way to subject everyone world wide to its laws.

      Well, power stems from the barrel of a gun, it is said. The United States are always very prone to show theirs. No matter who is/was president.


      As a Citizen of the US, I am very angry about this. Dmitry should be freed and sent home immediately, and then the White House should send an apology to the Russians for this behavior.

      A beautiful thought at all. But unfortunately it won`t happen. Even admitting that they were just *a very little bit wrong* might draw reimbursement claims from Dmitry, Elcomsoft, Russia, probably all thinking forms of homo sapiens.


      I know that they'd demand the same for one of our citizens cought up in a BS situation like this in another country.

      If this was an american sitting in a dark russian jail exposed to killers and the risk of catching tuberculosis, they'd already have an armed-to-the-death rescue squad standing by.

      This is just purely insane. Wrong as the Berlin wall. And probably nothing you can do to avoid or eliminate it...

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    2. Re:Perfect Target by mpe · · Score: 2

      First off, he isn't a US citizen. He is a visitor from a foreign country. This leaves him with fewer resources, fewer rights, and little understanding of the rights he does have.

      I'm not convinced the latter is entirely true. Considering that many US citizens appear to have never actually read either Declaration of Independance, US Constitution or relevent state constitutions.

    3. Re:Perfect Target by flatrock · · Score: 2

      I would love to visit Russia. From everything I've seen it has some beautiful Cities. The world has a lot to offer, it would be nice to be able to travel to more of it safely.

    4. Re:Perfect Target by blang · · Score: 2
      Considering that many US citizens appear to have never actually read either
      Declaration of Independance, US Constitution or relevent state constitutions.


      Dead right. It would be interesteing to see if any of these fine young people ever read any of those documents. Or this bunch of gansters. And I would be extremely surprised if this promising young man ever managed to read it through.


      Most of these guys went to law school, but I suspect they used more time on "networking" than their curricilum.

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    5. Re:Perfect Target by Zigurd · · Score: 2

      Law enforcement is expected to exercise a great deal of restraint and judgement. Failure to do so, like, for example, allowing law enforcement resources to get pimped out to Adobe, is rightly a failure about which one should complain.

  28. Where's the ACLU? by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I questioned early on whether the ACLU would risk their hollywood gravy train by coming out in support of Sklyarov. Several Slashdot posters indicated they would use the feedback page to see why the ACLU was totally silent (try searching for "Sklyarov" -- absolutely nothing). Still nothing, though.

    Those of you who are ACLU supporters should take careful note of this.

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    1. Re:Where's the ACLU? by NMerriam · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I questioned early on whether the ACLU would risk their hollywood gravy train by coming out in support of Sklyarov

      That's okay, they ignore the whole second amendment, too. They're slowly paring down the amount of the bill of rights to expend energy defending, apparently...

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    2. Re:Where's the ACLU? by mlc · · Score: 2
      For whatever reason, the ACLU hasn't really gotten involved in much online stuff (with the notable exception of their lead in fighting the Communications Decency Act). Perhaps it's because they don't understand the issues; perhaps it's because they feel comfortable leaving the work to others; perhaps it's because they have only finite resources. The ACLU is also notorious for only taking on cases that they feel they can win.

      Even though they're (much to my dismay) not taking any initiaitive on Dmitry's case, the ACLU is still doing a number of other wonderful things and still deserves your support. See their webpage for more info.

    3. Re:Where's the ACLU? by nomadic · · Score: 2

      Those of you who are ACLU supporters should take careful note of this.

      What? That they haven't immediately jumped on this case? The constant attacks against the ACLU by extreme right-wingers on slashdot can easily be countered by actually looking at the ACLU web site, as you suggest.

      Do a search for "DVD" on the web site. Seem to be risking their "gravy train" there, eh?

    4. Re:Where's the ACLU? by nomadic · · Score: 2

      They don't "ignore" the second amendment; they state their viewpoint and philosophical justification for that viewpoint.

      Check this out if you want to read it.

    5. Re:Where's the ACLU? by Malcontent · · Score: 2

      If you won't support them then they won't be around when the govt comes after you. Sure they don't come running to every injustice done in America (too many I guess) but them and the EFF are the only organizations that do anything at all. Kill them and nothing stands between you and subjugation.

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      War is necrophilia.

    6. Re:Where's the ACLU? by Alik · · Score: 2

      Where's the ACLU? We're on the sidelines cheerleading, that's where.

      There are lots of organizations that fight for civil liberties in one way or another. EFF is good at handling technological cases, so they tend to get those. The ACLU tends to get cases on free speech in schools and other "right to speak your mind" issues. (Remember the CDA? The official title of the Supreme Court case is "ACLU v. Reno".) In the meantime, we file amicus briefs in EFF cases, they file amicus briefs in ours, and we coordinate as appropriate. The same thing goes for Second Amendment cases. Regardless of where the ACLU stands on what it means (and I disagree with their current stance), those cases can be better handled by the NRA, whose budget is orders of magnitude higher.

      It's called division of labor and specialization. It's the foundation of almost every economy. Get used to it.

      And FWIW, here in Pittsburgh, the ACLU is putting together a fact sheet on online liberties, and it explains the Sklyarov case. I myself got chewed out by Dave Touretzky for getting the facts wrong. So nyah.

    7. Re:Where's the ACLU? by NMerriam · · Score: 2

      they state their viewpoint and philosophical justification for that viewpoint

      As a longstanding member of the ACLU, I am well aware of their stated opinion.

      I simply find it HIGHLY bizarre that there is only one amendment to the entire constitution where the ACLU's official stance is "well, the Supreme Court has said in the past that the right only goes so far, so who are we to argue?"

      --
      Recursive: Adj. See Recursive.
    8. Re:Where's the ACLU? by aozilla · · Score: 2

      The purpose of the ACLU is to defend the constitution. The constitution specifically states that "The Congress shall have power to...regulate commerce with foreign nations." The DMCA is not copyright law, it is interstate/international commerce law. So what exactly is the constitutional issue with respect to Dmitry? I could see how you could call it speech if his software was freely downloadable, but it wasn't, he was selling it. This seems a lot more to me like international commerce than free speech.

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      ok then your [sic] infringing on my copyright! Could you as [sic] me next time before STEALING my comments for your own?
  29. check this by Faux_Pseudo · · Score: 2

    Had a hell of a time getting this past the lamness filter. But here is a link to a post on alt.ascii-art regarding this case

  30. Reminder: Fundraising Party by startled · · Score: 2

    If you're at LinuxWorld or just in or near SF, it's tomorrow night. Stallman and Lessig are speaking, free beer, music, representatives from the EFF an FSF, and plenty of opportunities to donate, join the EFF, etc.. See you there.

    Here's the web page.

  31. please by vena · · Score: 2, Insightful

    spend the time you'd be writing the same things you said last time news on dmitry was posted here writing to your congressman or attending/organizing rallies.

    less talk, more action.

  32. Welcome to Drug War II. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Citizens, attend.

    You are seeing the creation of the new drug war. You can expect to see the following features of DW-I in instant replay
    • criminalization of perfectly ethical behavior that powerful segments of society happen not to approve of,
    • draconian penalties for these supposed crimes,
    • justification of this nonsense on the basis of huge ass-pulled numbers purporting to show how much damage the "crime" is doing to the economy,
    • legislators and public prosecutors fanning the fire to further their careers,
    • courts that will set aside your traditional freedoms because the wankers in the FBI can't get their convictions in a free society,
    • ultimately, absolutely no impact on the behavior that Drug War II was supposed to control, and
    • a new eco-niche for genuine crime, created by the new legal system and exploited by punks who will ultimately be the next generation's Organized Crime (cf. prohibition, Drug War I).
    Fear for your freedoms.
    --
    Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
    1. Re:Welcome to Drug War II. by scruffy · · Score: 2
      I don't think it will be quite the scale as the Drug War, but this is not a bad analogy. Foreign nations with less draconian laws/enforcement will be used to traffic "illegal information". Illegal information networks will form to avoid the law (e.g., Gnutella, Freenet). The US will pressure other nations to get in line.



      Not a bad analogy at all.

    2. Re:Welcome to Drug War II. by HongPong · · Score: 2
      Quite unusual... If this is the next Drug War, and the next generation of organized crime, then the Norwegians (DeCSS), of all people, have a leg up...

      "You gonna pay Fadda Svetlander or you wanna dip in the Lutefisk vat?"

      I find your idea here compelling. I guess it means dorks like me will be badass or something... cool!

    3. Re:Welcome to Drug War II. by Catbeller · · Score: 2

      I've long predicted the new war, and christened it Prohibition III.
      Welcome to my future.

    4. Re:Welcome to Drug War II. by Catbeller · · Score: 2

      Actually, you are correct, it will not scale to the Drug War; it will be much, much bigger and will never end.

      "It's the information, Marty. It's who controls the information..."

      Ideas and writings are going to become corporate property, and the copyrights will never expire.

      The future is your face, with a fat lawyer stamping on it, endlessly.

    5. Re:Welcome to Drug War II. by mosch · · Score: 2
      the blacklists will be turned inside out and a walled city will be formed within the bowels of the net.

      a members-only group of users, with all traffic running strongly encrypted, with the source obscured via a mechanism like crowds. it's viable, and it's becoming neccessary.

    6. Re:Welcome to Drug War II. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2

      > You make some valid points, but what exactly do you see as the D.W.-II (to use your terminology) equivalent of crack houses, drive-by shootings, and monies spent cleaning up after people whose meth labs go up in flames [cnn.com] and result in the deaths of totally innocent people?

      Naturally, my crystal ball may have a bug in it.

      But I suspect that time will reaveal the exact analogies you demand, even though I don't know what they will be right now.

      My reasoning is thus: Wherever things are banned, there is contraband. Wherever there is contraband, there is organized crime. Wherever there is organized crime, there is war between criminal organizations. Wherever there is war between criminal organizations, innocent and not-so-innocent people get hurt.

      States should use extreme caution about banning substances. Those of us with progressive views would offer that as an ethical argument; those with less progressive views should still consider the pragmatic argument. What has DW-I done for the citizens of the USA? What did Prohibition do for them? What is DW-II going to do for them?

      If the public good outweighs the bad side effects, then you can justify bans with the pragmatic argument. If the public good outweighs the bad side effects by a very large margin, you might be able to justify bans with an ethical argument. But when the bad side effects outweigh the public good, either argument will stand against the ban.

      I do not advocate stealing copyrighted material. However, I'm enough of a realist to know that people, especially young males, are going to keep bootlegging music and warez regardless of what the law says. When citizens ignore laws, governments are usually pinheaded enough to consider only a single response: escalate. And that's what leads to the violence of a Prohibition or a DW-I.

      Yeah, it's hard to imagine people getting killed over an MP3. But outside Bizarro World, it's hard to imagine people getting killed over a doobie or a bottle of wine, too.

      Welcome to Bizarro World.

      --
      Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
    7. Re:Welcome to Drug War II. by Gleef · · Score: 2

      Anonymous Coward wrote:

      You make some valid points, but what exactly do you see as the D.W.-II (to use your terminology) equivalent of crack houses, drive-by shootings, and monies spent cleaning up after people whose meth labs go up in flames [cnn.com] and result in the deaths of totally innocent people?

      Note that all three of those examples are examples of the dangers of criminalization of drugs.

      If meth were legal, production would be regulated, and meth labs wouldn't go up in flames any more than any other pharmaceutical production does.

      If drugs were legal, there would be no incentive for drug dealers to do drive-by shootings. Criminal businesses cannot use most legal means to protect their business, hence criminal violence. Take the business away from the criminals, and it will become no more violent than any other legal enterprise.

      If crack were legal, distribution would be regulated. You wouldn't have crack houses, you'd probably have closer to the crack equivalent of a dive bar (still not pretty, but crack is not the most socially endearing drug, criminal or not).

      I'm not trying to argue that drugs should be legalized (I'll save that for another day), but I am pointing out that the strongest examples of how bad drugs are direct results of the fact that they are criminal, not that they are drugs.

      If you make encryption (or some other aspect of software) criminal, than the nature of criminalization will permit bad things to be associated with it. This, in turn, will be used as an example of why encryption is bad, and should remain illegal.

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    8. Re:Welcome to Drug War II. by Eloquence · · Score: 2
      Meth labs up in flames => Uhh. I dunno.

      China already publically shredders warez CDs as part of their efforts to become a good WTO member country. This public CD destruction is shown on national TV to "educate" the people about the importance of intellectual property.

    9. Re:Welcome to Drug War II. by Tackhead · · Score: 2
      > a members-only group of users, with all traffic running strongly encrypted, with the source obscured via a mechanism like crowds. it's viable, and it's becoming neccessary.

      And what - with the possible exception of wireless freenets - would prevent Them(tm), because They [control / have access to] the routers of every US-based ISP, from simply regarding any ISP user (logged, by definition) who transmits data in/out of the cloud, as a target for investigation.

      All it'll take is one judge to say "Yes, because $BADSTUFF happens in the cloud, and because access to the cloud doesn't happen by accident, the act of interacting with the cloud constitutes probable cause."

  33. Another story at news.com by A+Commentor · · Score: 5, Informative

    The news.com site also covered the story.

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  34. Fair use is dead by Colin+Simmonds · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, it seems to be official. Fair use in the U.S. is dead. Look at what the indictment boils down to:

    When an ebook purchased for viewing in the Adobe eBook Reader format was sold by the publisher or distributor, the publisher or the distributor of the ebook could authorize or limit the purchaser's ability to copy, distribute, print, or have the text read audibly by the computer [emphasis mine]. Adobe designed the Ebook Reader to permit the management of such digital rights so that in the ordinary course of its operation, the eBook Reader effectively permitted the publisher or distributor of the ebook to restrict or limit the exercise of certain copyright rights of an owner of the copyright for an ebook distributed in the eBook Reader format.
    On a date prior to June 20, 2001, defendant Dmitry Sklyarov and others wrote a program called the Advanced eBook Processor ("AEBPR") the primary purpose of which was to remove any and all limitations on an ebook purchaser's ability to copy, distribute, print, have the text read audibly by the computer, or any other limitations imposed by the publisher or distributor of an ebook in the eBook Reader format, as well as certain other ebook formats.

    Note that the indictment clearly indicates that AEBPR is only useful to purchasers of ebooks in Adobe's format, so there can be no allegation of it being used for widespread piracy. Instead, Sklyarov's apparent crime is to allow people to actually use the ebooks they've bought and paid for. Of the items enumerated as being restrictable by the publisher or distributor, only distribution is forbidden by copyright law prior to the DMCA, and then only when the fair use exemptions don't apply. It seems rather overreaching to me that the DMCA criminalizes being able to do such ordinary actions with an ebook such as having the computer read it aloud or print it, let alone making copies for backup or use on another machine.

    Note also that the indictment makes no mention of the AEBPR being used to violate copyright law. No evidence is offered that any of the handful of its purchasers used the program for any illegal purpose. The mere fact that it allows the purchaser full use of a bought ebook and the theoretical possibility of commiting an act (unpermitted distribution) which is already illegal under century old copyright law, is reason enough to send a man to jail for 25 years. Scary.

    And publishers wonder in vain why ebooks aren't selling very well? Gee, if you don't let the purchaser do anything with them, making ebooks far more restricted and less useful than print books, and totally upset the balance between public and private interests enshrined in copyright law, you should expect this. Indeed, I'm frightened that ebooks have sold as well as they have. The freedoms and rights associated with reading seem to no longer apply in the digital world if the interests that bought the DMCA have their way.

  35. Re:Have you ever been to these protests? They're s by wfrp01 · · Score: 2

    Then escalate. If Dmitry is convicted, and you have the power, shut down any email servers you control for a week.

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    --Lawrence Lessig for Congress!
  36. Re:Wow... that's a reeeeaaaal stretch. by buss_error · · Score: 2
    real deal with this is that he did commit a crime in the good 'ol USA


    Really? My understanding is that he didn't sell or provide the software here. The company he works for did. The fact that he owns a part of that company has on place in this discussion. Ford stock holders own part of Ford, are they being sued in their own right?


    No, the only way they could get him was with a real streach on the "long arm" provision of US code. That's the real stretch.


    IANAL

    --
    Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
  37. Re:shutup by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2

    > > I'm willing to sacrifice all my freedoms to win the War on Drugs.

    > Then you're a fucking moron. If you are an American, you should be ashamed of yourself.

    One might also ask what it means to "win" the War on Drugs. In practice, its supporters are "winning" so long as it is getting bigger, more expensive, and more draconian. If everyone in the USA quit using drugs tomorrow, thousands of careers would be ruined. Legislators would have to find some other drum to beat to scare voters into supporting them. Law enforcement agencies would have to find other drums to beat to scare the public into upping their funding and granting them more arbitrary powers.

    And of course, if a politician took a stand against the drug war and looked like he had any chance of putting an end to it, the drug lords themselves would be quickest at the assassination attempt.

    No, don't expect the drug war to be "won" anytime soon, no matter how many of your freedoms you give up. Willingly or otherwise.

    --
    Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
  38. Re:Well yeah... by nathanm · · Score: 2
    Yeah, you won't find a lot, considering the guy's name is Skylarov...
    No, the previous poster was right. His name is Dmitry Sklyarov, see www.freesklyarov.org
  39. Re:Have you ever been to these protests? They're s by bugg · · Score: 2
    Protests are generally expected to last several hours (save police intervention). If they don't, then the organizers have failed at their jobs.


    I was with a group of about 6 people; shame NOBODY was around to provide signs, etc, when we showed up.

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    -bugg
  40. This is cool... by Dlugar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Never have I seen such negative speaking of the DMCA from a "real" news source, even the Associated Press:

    San Jose-based Adobe Systems had complained to the FBI that Sklyarov's employer was selling a program that let users manipulate Adobe's e-book software so the books could be read on more than one computer or transferred to someone else.

    Is it just me, or is that the most neutral, almost pro-Sklyarov paragraph you've ever seen? It even continues:

    The program is legal in Russia. Sklyarov's supporters say his work merely restores the "fair use" privileges consumers have traditionally enjoyed under U.S. copyright law. Adobe dropped its support of the case on July 23.

    Beautiful. Absolutely beautiful.


    Dlugar
    --
    Computer Go: Writing Software to Play the Ancient Game of Go
  41. emailing protest? by psych031337 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So, after the arrest Adobe got email-bombed by us guys (&gals) trying to voice our protest (see http://www.boycottadobe.com or .org - too lazy to check)

    As it seems now, the protest has to be taken to higher ranks in the legal system.

    Can anyone supply email adresses of the people involved? I mean lawyers, consulars, attorneys, judges, congresscritters, whatever?!

    I think about the only way this could lead to a conviction is the sheer ignorance of a lot of the involved people (see Microsoft Antitrust case). Well, ignorance can actually be a form of violence. And there is only one cure for it, so who can i tell what is going on, what the real-life analogy is, and how i am feeling about this (even as a foreign citizen... i think, i hope actually that every voice counts!)

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    1. Re:emailing protest? by Hanno · · Score: 2

      Standard response: E-Mail protest has no effect whatsoever. Write a letter. On real paper. Even better, write it by hand. This is how you get attention.

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  42. Of course the Grand Jury indicted... by s390 · · Score: 2

    All a Grand Jury hears is what the Prosecutor wants them to hear. It's not a trial, but merely the prosecution's presentation of their prima facie case - witnesses mostly, maybe hard evidence.

    It's an old saying around courthouses that a Prosecutor can get a Grand Jury to indict a ham sandwich.

    The trial won't be so one-sided, one hopes.

  43. Indictment by mlc · · Score: 2

    The indictment itself is available as PDF from the US Department of "Justice".

  44. What is wrong with these people? by gnovos · · Score: 2

    One would think in a civilized society, somone on the prosecution would stop for a second and actually think about what they are doing. They original plaintifs have since changed thier minds, the public (at least those who know about it) is against it, the man is not even a U.S. citizen! The case in completely unwinnable, and unworthy. At best it will get thrown out right away, at worst it will go all the way to the Supreme Court before getting struck down. Why can't the prosecution see that they are in a perfect lose-lose situation. They don't even have the moral imperative on thier side to keep going, becuase locking up somone for what amounts to thought crime is morally wrong.

    I realize this is ranting, but please, where is the glimmer of intelligence in these people that tells them to give up now?

    --
    "Your superior intellect is no match for our puny weapons!"
  45. and where is this in the traditional media? by unformed · · Score: 2

    sure, it's available on web-based media; what about the local and national newspapers in print, CNN, FOXNews, ABC, CBS, on cable? Most people still get their news from traditional news sources (print and TV).

    That's where I want to see these news, and until then I will not be satisfied.

    1. Re:and where is this in the traditional media? by gilroy · · Score: 2

      Well, the New York Times web site is a mirror of the New York Times in-print edition, so I don't think your argument applies. I'm pretty sure the Tribune site is similar.

  46. You're prepared to give in too much by tswinzig · · Score: 2

    What will be next? Will I be arrested because I point out a security hole in Microsoft's hotmail site? No, but if I start selling a product that will allow it's user's to read other's email, I can and I should be arrested.

    Why should you be arrested even then? It's good that you can see how wrong it is for Skylarov to be indicted for a speech, but you've still let the government brainwash you a bit.

    You should be arrested if you break in to a computer with malice of forethought and read other people's email. You should not be arrested if you: talk about how to break in, create a tool to break in, distribute a tool capable of breaking in. All of those things are protected by free speech, whether the government currently realizes it or not.

    --

    "And like that ... he's gone."
    1. Re:You're prepared to give in too much by Hilary+Rosen · · Score: 2

      Shouting "buffer overflow" on a crowded Internet?

      Please choose 'formkeys' for the category!

      --
      Yes, the nick is flamebait
  47. Some good may come of this. by child_of_mercy · · Score: 2
    It's just possible that the DoJ's stubornness on this is through a desire to have the DMCA overturned.

    Unless it causes harm it's hard to do, but the threat of harm may still cause damage.

    But this way they can get it dealt with quickly.

    --
    'There is a Light that never goes out.'
  48. Re:Sigh - of course it is Adobe's fault by victim · · Score: 2

    Of course it is Adobe's fault. They requested that he be arrested but not be prosecuted. Unfortunately they can't stop the government, Dmitry will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

    Adobe should at least accept responibility for their actions and pay Sklyarov's legal bills.

    Yes, I said that. Adobe intended to slap his wrist and instead dropped him into the meat grinder. He is suffering more hardship than they intended. They are at the very least responsible for his legal bills and some sort of compensation for his detention in the US. (I assume Dmitry is not allowed to work to support his family while he in the US.)

  49. Moron by q-soe · · Score: 2

    Yeah 350 million population of the us - 50 people who post this shit on slashdot

    What revolution - the 'normal' people (you know the sheep who pay taxes, vote, use MS products, actually buy copyright movies and books etc) would rise up and skull fuck you so fast your eyes would spin.

    Whos scared of an overweight big talking pasty faced turd anyway - geez i bet the US military are quaking in their boots.

    THE GOVT HAVVE SPOKEN - LIKE MITNICKE ETC FROM NOW ON IF YOU BREAK THE LAW THEY WILL STICK A LARGE BAT UP YOUR ASS - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED BY THIS AND OTHER CASES AND IF YOU IGNORE IT YOU DO SO AT YOUR PERIL

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    1. Re:Moron by q-soe · · Score: 2

      DAMN - hit the enter key by mistake -

      and what i meant to say was that

      Continued - it means we need to find a way to worm within the law NOT try and break it

      We can not win at that - but we can force the government to adapt or think a little different - they cant be fought on their own turf, you can mailbomb them and hack them and attack their morals but they will win - they have the majority of the population.

      I dont agree that this guy deserves the effort BUT if he does then he needs help in court NOT in the hal hearted attack ways

      BREAK THE SYSTEM BY MAKING IT WORK FOR YOU

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      I refuse to argue with Anonymous Cowards - if you want a discussion get an account....
  50. Maybe this is the strategy... by VValdo · · Score: 2

    Ok, so the Feds find themselves in a tough position-- they've got to enforce this law that Adobe themselves say they don't want enforced.

    If they drop all the charges, this looks too obviously like they were just Adobe's bitches, a private police force at the beck and call of big business ("arrest him? Ok. Don't arrest him.. Ok.")

    If they do indict him mildly, they set up a situation where Dmitri's sentence might turn out to be enough of slap on the wrist that it's worth contesting on principle, and then this would surely become a test-case for the constitutionality of the entire law. Since they ARE bitches to big business, the government doesn't want this. If it's gonna be tested in court they'll want a more clear-cut case of some obviously evil megapirate somewhere, not a sympathetic programmer out to topple an unjust law.

    So what did they do? They decided to throw the book at him, pile up enough charges that it becomes a very high-stakes game for Dmitri personally. Dmitri will be intimidated (and rightly so) into negociating his way out of it. He's got nothing to gain from being a test case in a bad American law...and everything to lose.

    After the judge dismisses some charges along the way, Dmitri will likely plea-bargain his way down to probation or something and skip off to Russia shortly thereafter.

    The Feds look like they're not pussies, the law remains unchallenged, Dmitri gets a slap on the wrist, and the MPAA/RIAA's message is preserved: "Don't fuck with us. We WILL fuck with you."

    W

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  51. Re:Fair use is dead - is it? by victim · · Score: 2

    I'm not sure where you block quote comes from, I assume from the indictment text?

    If so, it appears that the prosecutor is deliberatly casting the case in terms that will allow the defense to challenge and break the DMCA.

    The law will stand until a judge declares it invalid. The first step in that process is for the prosecutor to charge someone with the law. Dmitry is being charged in a very favorable light. No emphasis about how the unprotected books could then be published illegally. Equal weight is given to the three legitimate uses. (copying, printing, and text to speech.)

    Someone with a very fine sense of how that district works should read that indictment and see what is between the lines.

  52. Re:I don't care, criminal. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    [Ignoring the fact that you're just trooling...]

    I'm curious why you call me "criminal". Is it because I disagree with something the government is doing? Is it because I disagree with you?

    It certainly isn't because I'm a drug user, because I'm not, and never have been, and wouldn't become one if they legalized it tomorrow.

    However, the fact that I'm not a droogie doesn't mean I don't live in fear that the FBI will read my post on Slashdot, take Rob to court and make him give them my meatspace name, kick my door down, throw a baggie on my couch, and haul me off to prison for 30 years. I wouldn't stand the slightest chance of proving my innocence.

    The Soviet Union had its gulags; the USA has its drug war.

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    Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
  53. Its all about Adobe by gad_zuki! · · Score: 2

    Its nice to see that US corporate officers and employees can cower behind the corporate shield for liability but the DMCA can put blame on one man and violate his first amendment right to speech at the same time?

    Second, Adobe chose to invoke the DMCA demon, tipped law enforment to the speech, and is part of this big propaganda/scare tactic. They chose NOT to go the way of a civil lawsuit. They wanted this gestapo crap and since they've gotten what they wanted they just bowed out and left everyone bitching about the evil DMCA and not the coporations that bought it and use it.

    Where's the big adobe boycott? The DMCA can be overturned at any moment, but business tactics like these will stick around if they think they can get away with it and right now they are getting away with it.

    1. Re:Its all about Adobe by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > Would Adobe even have grounds for a civil lawsuit against Dmitry? The software facilitated infringing the rights of the copyright holder of the book(s), not the rights of Adobe.

      Which points out the real "crime" in this scenario. The "crime" wasn't theft; it was pointing out that Adobe's crapware doesn't prevent theft. And since Adobe's crapware doesn't prevent theft (as advertised), they can't sell it. And since they can't sell it, they take a hit on their bottom line. And since they take a hit on their bottom line, their share prices aren't what they could be.

      And that is the one unforgivable sin in the U$A.

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    2. Re:Its all about Adobe by NearlyHeadless · · Score: 2
      Its nice to see that US corporate officers and employees can cower behind the corporate shield for liability but the DMCA can put blame on one man and violate his first amendment right to speech at the same time?

      There is no shield of liability for corporate officers or employers. Limited liability applies to shareholders, so that if your Aunt Bernice invests in Intel and Intel gets sued for a billion dollars, the most she can lose is her investment, and not her house.
  54. Franklin *was* indicted. by jcr · · Score: 2

    Didn't you hear? He was a traitor to the British crown, and under sentence of death for his part in revolutionary activities.

    We sure could use him right about now.

    -jcr

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    The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
  55. Re:What a sick F*cking World in which we live. by IronChef · · Score: 2


    you'll never get 5.56 mm NATO out to 800 yards with good accuracy. For that kind of range, you are far better off with a heavier round, like 7.62 mm. Very popular with the high power marksman crowd, using rifles like the M14. For the "evil black rifle" look, I'd suggest the HK G3.

    To get back on topic... oh, the hell with the topic for today.

  56. NO, Adobe is STILL CULPABLE. by jcr · · Score: 2

    I don't give a damn if Adobe backed off. The very LEAST they could do if they were sincere about making amends is foot the bill for Dmitry's defense.

    -jcr

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    The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
  57. No, ADOBE should be paying his legal fees. by jcr · · Score: 2

    This fracas is Adobe's fault, and nobody else's.

    -jcr

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    The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
    1. Re:No, ADOBE should be paying his legal fees. by bnenning · · Score: 2

      Well, Congress and Bill Clinton share a bit of responsibility as well. But you're right, we should absolutely not let Adobe off the hook. Their "change of heart" after Sklyarov had been arrested is transparently self-serving and meaningless. I'd actually have some degree of respect for Adobe if they had said to the EFF "no, he broke the law, and we want him in prison". At least that would demonstrate some honesty.

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      How to solve most of our problems: 1.Lots of nuclear plants. 2.Cure aging.
  58. Re:looking forward to the russian response... by Dyolf+Knip · · Score: 2

    Tit for tat. Just start arresting any Adobe employees in Russia. Do it all at once and you could have quite a haul. Anyone here who cries foul at Russia for arresting US citizens for the actions of the company they work for while outside Russia is going to look really fscking stupid and hypocritical.

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    Dyolf Knip
  59. Forget the ACLU. by jcr · · Score: 2

    Their time has passed. Today, they're bloody close to useless.

    If you want to support the causes that the ACLU stood for in the past, send your money to Amnesty International and/or the EFF.

    -jcr

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    The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
  60. Re:American world awareness: by Dyolf+Knip · · Score: 2
    There are 10 Moscows in the US, as well as 5 Londons, 6 Bostons (and another in the UK), 11 Atlantas, 12 Genevas, 10 Berlins, 9 Romes, 3 Madrids, 10 Viennas, 12 Parises, 9 Warsaws, 2 Pragues, etc, etc, etc.


    Granted, it's a rare case where two major cities have the same name, but text is cheap and clarification is never a bad thing.

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    Dyolf Knip
  61. Use this form letter by Bonker · · Score: 2

    Remember that paper letters and faxes almost always count more in the eyes of elected officials than E-Mails.

    Still, now's a good time to start carpet-bombing Washington with paper *and* Bits:

    ----------

    Dear ,

    I write you today in order to ask your support to help overturn the law known as the DMCA, or Digital Millennium Copyright Act.

    This law is currently being used by the federal government to quash the Free Speech rights of a Russian computer programmer, Dmitry Sklyarov, who was arrested for using his programming skills to demonstrate that Adobe Corporation's E-Book security was flawed and held without bail for several weeks in the United States. This is despite the fact that what he did is a protected right in Russia, and many in the United States believe that this use of the DMCA violates the First Amendment to the constitution.

    I don't know about you, but it's a pretty sad day when a Russian has more freedoms in his homeland than an American does in his. It's even sadder that a Russian was arrested in the United States for exercising his rights to Free Speech, something the United States fought for decades to promote in Communist-controlled Russia.

    I'm not alone in my feelings. Thousands of individuals who share these beliefs are organizing protests and fundraising campaigns to help Dmitry, who is being unfairly prosecuted by the U.S. government.

    Even the company who leveled charges at Sklyarov, Adobe, has since dropped its charges. Still, the Department of Justice continues to try to persecute this poor individual under a bad law.

    As your constituent, I ask you to help overturn the DMCA so that it cannot be used as a bludgeon by profit-minded companies against individuals who chose to express their First Amendment rights in this manner.

    It is your duty as an American to see that this man's basic rights are not trampled on.

    Do your duty, .

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  62. Re:shutup by mpe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Like, yeah drugs are bad and I don't ever plan to use them but you gotta think, if you're killing all the drug users, what's the whole point of making the stuff illegal?

    Guess the best way to make any drug dangerous, prohibition. If you want something to be safe you don't hand over the entire production and distribution to criminals.

    Isn't it to keep harmful substances from killing people?

    If that were the case you'd think they'd be coming down hard on paracetamol...

  63. Here's what I think... by aiken_d · · Score: 2

    God, I want out of this god-damned country.

    I'm no anti-corporatist (I hold several patents that I intent to profit from).

    I'm no anarchist (I absolutely respect the rule of law).

    I'm no L/libertarian (I can't stand people who talk about doing rather than doing).

    I'm no American (I expect my government to respect me).

    Bye-bye. I'm off to live in a free country.

    -b

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  64. It's Still a Pain in the Ass by Greyfox · · Score: 2
    Given that none of this shit particularly took place in the State of California. Everyone wants to use Sklyarov to further their political motives though. A lot of folks 'round these parts of course want to see this case take the DMCA down on constitutional grounds, something that could be tied up in court for a decade. I'm sure making an arrest on DMCA charges and being tough on a Russian didn't hurt Robert Mueller's bid for leadership of the FBI recently. Especially after the recent black eyes the FBI's recieved over cold war incidents with the Russians. And of course the corporate concerns (Adobe) want to demonstrate how easy it is for them to make someone disappear now. All those inconvienent questions about juristiction are easily wiped away. If you sold anything anywhere, you're liable under the state laws of California. How long, I wonder, before they start prosecuting people who sell marijuana in Denmark?


    Meanwhile, is there even a Sklyarov legal defense team? IANAL, but I'd start with questions like, was Sklyarov read his rights under the Vienna Convention and granted prompt access to a Russian consolate under that treaty? Although the US tends to ignore international law when convienent (particularly the Vienna convention, according to my research) now that Mueller's actually been named as the head of the FBI, there might be less resistance to letting him just go home. Though I wouldn't hold my breath. Keep in mind that our government's observance of the Vienna convention endangers our citizens travelling abroad, too. We've pissed several countries off already and I'm sure that our notification of our rights under the Convention will be slow or non-existant in those countries should we be arrested there.

    Immediately follow that up with the juristictional issues. Again, those issues could easily lead to the dismissal of the case after an appeal or two. It would have the added benefit of short circuiting other cases being tried in California even though the "crime" never took place there.


    Of course, if he can just get a plea bargain that results in his immediate deportation, that'd be the route I'd advise him to take. Just get the hell out and never come back and tell all your friends that "The Land of the Free" is really "The Land of the Corporate Interests" and has been for decades.

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    I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

  65. DMCA makes a crime out of a contract breach by Xahmish · · Score: 2, Informative

    The difference should be important. But only in terms of educating the lay public about what is going on here. The point is really moot as far as Sklyarov's case goes. Copyright protection is a matter of civil law, not criminal law. Copy protection should be a matter of contract law and civil law because that is what software licenses are for.

    This is why the DMCA is so draconian; it has made a crime out of the violation of a private agreement to not copy a piece of software. If the license for the software says, "thou shalt not copy and distribute this software" and you accept the license, you have entered into an agreement with the software manufacturer and are liable for civil damages should you violate that agreement. Then the DMCA comes along and says that if you invent a way to defeat built-in copy protection of a given piece of digital data you have committed a crime. It doesn't matter what you do with your invention; just the act of inventing it is a crime. This seems a little bit like thought-crime. So this issue really has nothing very much to do with Copyright and has more to do with cracking an encryption scheme -- regardless of whether or not you actually copy the software or distribute it.

    So if you want to argue the fine points of semantics, don't lose sight of the real issue; that the mega-corp lobbies of Amerika have pushed through a bad law that makes a crime out of a civil breach.

  66. Department of Defense getting in on the fun? by Platinum+Dragon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I guess I'll take this opportunity to link to this entry in my Smokedot diary. I encourage webmasters to read it, because I'd like some assistance.

    The short version: if you're a webmaster, and have pages on your site related to digital copyright issues - especially Sklyarov's case - check your logs for hits from the 198.25.0.0 - 198.26.255.255 netblock, which is controlled by NIPR (DoD Network Operations - a quick whois of 198.25.0.0@whois.arin.net will confirm this) containing a user agent of "Inktomi Search". A pair of machines at Kelly AFB in Texas with that user-agent have been the source of regular hits to my page on Sklyarov, about once a day. The hits are regular and targeted enough to convince me it's not a case of kiddiez spoofing, and I've had at least one report of very similar behaviour toward another site; targeted hits from a couple DoD boxen using a web spider. I'm doing some light investigation of the activity, and would be very interested in any logs documenting this type of behaviour.

    If nothing else, I'd love to know why DoD machines are being used to search for copyright-related pages.

    Side-note: some of the information I've gathered on NIPR implies that the group has constructed a firewall around the DoD workstations and servers; hence, any hits from NIPR.mil addresses may be the firewall/border routers and not the actual boxes performing the searches. However, at some point, DoD boxes are involved, and I'd like to know just what they're up to.

    --

    Someday, you're going to die. Get over it.
    1. Re:Department of Defense getting in on the fun? by Quila · · Score: 2

      There are actually real people on that network, government workers, airmen, who are doing their daily job. It's probable that you have someone interested in the case, maybe even on your side, who likes to keep up to date with what's going on. Although I haven't visited your site, I'm a good example.

    2. Re:Department of Defense getting in on the fun? by Ben+Hutchings · · Score: 2

      Then why the fake User-Agent field?

    3. Re:Department of Defense getting in on the fun? by sparcv9 · · Score: 2
      Then why the fake User-Agent field?
      It's not a fake User-Agent. Inktomi is a search-engine company. They (used to) make their money by licensing their search engine software to other people. (Now they're laying off workers left and right.) Looks like the DoD is one of their customers.
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    4. Re:Department of Defense getting in on the fun? by Platinum+Dragon · · Score: 2

      Inktomi of course is a search-engine [inktomi.com].

      I really don't see what the big deal is.


      Inktomi also provides custom search and indexing solutions to customers. This would include indexing spiders that could be tailored to look for specific types of information.

      The big deal is that the hits I'm noticing aren't being referred by an Inktomi Search portal; they're hits from an Inktomi indexing agent, once a day, for at least the past month. If the DoD were simply spidering entire sites for caching and internal search purposes, I'd just ignore it - but the nature of the indexing is too targeted, IMO, to be coincidence. I'm not the only person to notice this, either. Why in hell are DoD computers being used to index sites on digital copyright issues? Why not DoJustice machines?

      I don't suspect some great conspiracy behind this (yet); it just seems... bizarre.

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      Someday, you're going to die. Get over it.
    5. Re:Department of Defense getting in on the fun? by Platinum+Dragon · · Score: 2

      They (used to) make their money by licensing their search engine software to other people.

      They still are (licensing the software, not sure about the making money part:). Check the main page, second news item; Inktomi just inked a large deal with a swath of government organizations. Interestingly, the press release lists a whack of others... but not DoD. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that DoD wouldn't let as much info out about their operations, whatever they may be.

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      Someday, you're going to die. Get over it.
    6. Re:Department of Defense getting in on the fun? by Platinum+Dragon · · Score: 3, Informative

      Since I can correlate her hits with actually talking to her on IM I know it's not DoD spooks or anything like that.

      Do her hits contain an "Inktomi Search" user agent?

      The thing that gets me about this is that it's not an individual visiting the same data, including robots.txt, every day. Unless some people have faked user-agent strings of "Inktomi Search", these aren't humans retrieving defcon.ppt every day. As well, the hits are only to robots.txt, adobe.html, and defcon.ppt! main.css isn't even being retrieved, which it would be if a real person were viewing it - in which case, that person wouldn't be looking at robots.txt or defcon.ppt.

      See what I'm getting at? There's more than just an interested individual here. Maybe just a little more, but it's something enough to use (probably expensive, paid for with taxpayer dollars) searching and indexing software to keep tabs on sites about copyright and Sklyarov.

      Heh, maybe I should stick in something like "Overthrow the US Government!" and see if I get a visit - a honeypot for law enforcement, as it were:)

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      Someday, you're going to die. Get over it.
    7. Re:Department of Defense getting in on the fun? by Platinum+Dragon · · Score: 2

      Um, is it possible that they're not really doing anything malicious?

      Of course.

      Would you be suprised if Yahoo started indexing your site?

      Of course not. I watch web spiders crawl around my pages all the time; hell, I've been watching a crawler from IBM's Alamaden lab over the past couple of days.

      The fact that the gubment has decided to buy our products and (heaven-forbid) actually deploy them on the Internet isn't necessarily any more suspicious than if they bought yours and did the same.

      Oh, I don't mind that they bought the products and all. However, I'm not the first to notice that the DoD seems to be using Inktomi web spiders to catalogue pro-Sklyarov and digital-copyright info sites. I know the DoD spider hasn't touched anything besides my Sklyarov page and defcon.ppt. Reports from two other people, one of which is in this thread, indicate I'm not just nuts, and perhaps not even paranoid.

      If it were the DoJustice doing this, I'd be less surprised, but I'd still report it. I'm really confused as to who in the DoD gives a flying crud about the Sklyarov prosecution and copyright issues.

      --

      Someday, you're going to die. Get over it.
  67. Law Confusion by Darth_Burrito · · Score: 3, Informative

    IANAL
    Someone may have mentioned this before, but after reading the charges in the indictment, and referencing the applicable law (Title 17, Section(b)(1)(A)), it appears that inumerable people are guilty of this crime.

    "No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing protection afforded by a technological measure that effectively protects a right of a copyright owner..."

    To me there are a coupe details that leap out at me here. First the use of the words component and part. Software design is filled with reused parts and components. Does this mean the author of Tree.h commited a crime when his component object was used in the decryption software?

    Secondly, the phrase "effectively protects a right of a copyright owner" is unclear. If a person like Dmitri breaks an encryption scheme then that encryption scheme did not effectively protect the rights of the copy right owner.

    Finally, Fair Use (Title 17 Section 107) allows for the copy of copyrighted works for specific purposes. Since the Exclusive Rights (Title 17, Section 106) are "subject to Subject to section(s) 107", I don't see how his software violates any right. Under Fair Use Copyright owners do not have the right to prevent their work from being copied.

    Am I making some colossal error in my interpretation of these laws?

    Indictment: PDF
    Copy Right Law: Cornel / US Code

    1. Re:Law Confusion by epukinsk · · Score: 2

      Does this mean the author of Tree.h commited a crime when his component object was used in the decryption software?

      Only if Tree.h is "primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing protection."

      Which it's not.

      -Erik

  68. Where's the outrage for the other crap going on? by Arandir · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Okay, we've got protests getting organized left and right. I've received fundraising requests in my email. I see people up in arms and outraged with righteous indignation.

    Good for you.

    But where the hell were you guys for all the other crap going on in this country and all the rest? From the looks of things, you all act as if this were the first injustice ever perpetrated in history.

    In California our prisons are overflowing with those who got arrested, indicted, convicted and sentenced for nothing more than ingesting chemical substances. Unwittingly violating the DMCA is just one of hundreds of nonviolent acts that can land you in jail. Why do we only care about one of them?

    Let's free Sklyarov, but at the same time lets get all the other people convicted of nonviolent activities freed as well.

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    A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
  69. Unfortunately... by rjh · · Score: 2

    ... their explanation is a load of hooey, as any first-year law student can point out. The problem rests in the usage of the word ``the people''. According to the ACLU, ``the people'' in the Second Amendment refers to a collective right held by the State, not an individual right held by the people.

    If we are to believe this, then every other instance of ``the people'' in the Bill of Rights needs to be interpreted identically. Otherwise, we wind up in a state of Constitutional inconsistency. While it is not impossible from a legal perspective to have the same phrase mean two completely different things, it is certainly deeply frowned upon.

    This is the strongest argument in favor of the Second Amendment being an individual right, not collectivist--because any other interpretation would strip us of all our individually-held rights under the Constitution.

    Alan Dershowitz (a well-known and respected attorney) is fervently opposed to firearms, but even he acknowledges the importance of viewing the Second Amendment as protecting an individual right--as Dershowitz says, ``any argument that can be used to take away someone's Second Amendment rights will sooner or later be used to take away their First Amendment rights.''

    The ACLU is walking down a very slippery slope here. They know it's a slippery slope, and they don't care. It would be too hard, and too politically unpopular, to defend the Second Amendment. So they don't.

    Personally, I think there's a spot in hell close to the fire saved especially for those people who lack the courage to defend the things they do not like in order to stand up for the things they do.

    1. Re:Unfortunately... by nomadic · · Score: 2



      ... their explanation is a load of hooey, as any first-year law student can point out. The problem rests in the usage of the word ``the people''. According to the ACLU, ``the people'' in the Second Amendment refers to a collective right held by the State, not an individual right held by the people.


      And I can simply point out that "the people" in that single instance might indeed refer to a collective right, simply because it is prefaced by "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free state". Out of the necessity to maintain the state's security, the people can collectively possess firearms, as part of a regulated militia. Now note I didn't say I agreed with the ACLU-- I simply pointed out that they didn't "ignore" the 2nd amendment, they simply interpreted it differently than you (or I) do.

      It would be too hard, and too politically unpopular, to defend the Second Amendment. So they don't.

      I think even many of their detractors would admit that the ACLU has no problem defending unpopular viewpoints, i.e. flag burning or the anti-death penalty movement. Besides which, as much as the pro-gun movement tries to make themselves out to be the underdog, almost half the people in this country own guns. Not exactly an oppressed minority.

    2. Re:Unfortunately... by rjh · · Score: 2

      The problem is the inconsistency still exists. The first clause, regarding the well-regulated militia, is preparatory language; the second clause, ``the right of the people'', is the operative language.

      The preparatory gives context to the operative, but the edict the government must adhere to is the operative clause--not the preparatory. To elevate the preparatory to the level of operative would invalidate most Federal law existing today--after all, the preparatory language to the Constitution is full of high philosophical ideals which modern Federal law mostly fails to uphold, and as such, if the preparatory language is considered to be operative language, we wind up with another inconsistency problem.

      The other problem is that the Constitution already authorizes Congress to field an army for national defense. If the collectivist interpretation was the correct one, then the Second Amendment would ambiguate the Constitution--because Congress may field an army (but is not required), but the entire Bill of Rights is viewed as affirmative law, establishing what the Government must do--i.e., it must not infringe upon the right to free exercise of religion, etc.

      And if the Second Amendment is a collectivist right which can only lawfully be implemented by a Legislature, then why was it not amended into the Constitution in the same Article which enumerates the powers of the legislature?

      Essentially, the collectivist interpretation (a) ambiguates the usage of ``the people'' throughout the Bill of Rights; (b) it ambiguates the Constitution, changing a MAY permissive into a MUST imperative (to use RFC terms); (c) it ambiguates the very structure of the Constitution by ambiguating the places in which the various powers of the government are delineated.

      In essence, the collectivist interpretation makes sense only if you suspend your disbelief.

      I know, I know--it's not exactly politically correct in this day and age to say, ``No. That idea's not worth the paper it's printed on. It has no concrete basis in reason or fact.'' I never quite adopted the twentieth- and twenty-first century reluctance to apply judgment to ideas, though--if someone can present a logically consistent framework for their ideas, then I'll grant their idea has validity even if I vehemently disagree.

      But if the logical framework is insufficient to support the weight of the proposition, then I have to say, clearly, ``no''.

      --I am, by the way, not an NRA member, nor am I fond of their political aims or methods. It is certainly within the rights of the states to pass laws to establish good order in the militia--but most gun control laws nowadays don't even bother with making an attempt at finding Constitutional grounds. They just get passed anyway.

    3. Re:Unfortunately... by rho · · Score: 2

      Well, if you read the Federalist Papers, Alexander Hamilton explains what the militia is.

      The Fathers did not intend for us to have standing armies in times of peace -- it's one of the reasons we rebelled against the king of England -- and all men of fighting age would be expected to muster and drill according to the rules of their state, not of the Federal government.

      In a very real sense, all men of fighting age should be required to own an automatic assault rifle, and be expected to drill and practice with it. The ACLU is wrong, the Supreme Court is wrong. One has taken your freedom away, and the other is complicit in that action.

      Remind me why I should support the ACLU again?

      I think even many of their detractors would admit that the ACLU has no problem defending unpopular viewpoints, i.e. flag burning or the anti-death penalty movement.

      If they were intellectually consistant, they would support concealed-carry laws and such as well -- equally "unpopular" and equally a "civil liberty". Instead, they support things that get them on TV and agree with their agenda. The ACLU is a Hollywood leftist organization, period.

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    4. Re:Unfortunately... by nomadic · · Score: 2


      The problem is the inconsistency still exists. The first clause, regarding the well-regulated militia, is preparatory language; the second clause, ``the right of the people'', is the operative language. to uphold, and as such, if the preparatory language is considered to be operative language, we wind up with another inconsistency problem.

      But that begs the question of why the preparatory clause was included in the first place, if not to modify the operative clause. None of the other original amendments have similiar wording.

      Anyway, I agree with the reasons you put forward, I was simply was pointing out that it can be interpreted in other ways. The ACLU's views are more moderate than the posts here might indicate; they have no objection to moderate, regulated gun use.

    5. Re:Unfortunately... by rjh · · Score: 2

      Sure, Congress can ban guns and say ``everyone is permitted to carry a club''.

      Just like they can ban worship services on Saturdays and tell the Jews and Muslims and Seventh-Day Adventists, ``oh, get over it, everyone's permitted to worship on Sundays''.

      The two are equivalent. The two are equally illegal.

      I don't see how that equates to carrying a concealed weapon

      Simple. Congress has no authority to outlaw it. At the time the Constitution was drafted, the Bill of Rights applied only to the Federal government, meaning it was still lawful for a State government to have an established church (Massachusetts did, for instance), or to forbid their citizens the ownership of weapons. But once the 14th Amendment was passed, and people enjoyed all the protections at the State level that they enjoyed at the Federal level, most state gun control laws also became invalidated.

      Note that this doesn't really seem to prevent the states from passing more laws, but hey.

    6. Re:Unfortunately... by rjh · · Score: 2

      But that begs the question of why the preparatory clause was included in the first place, if not to modify the operative clause. None of the other original amendments have similiar wording.

      To give context. Or, alternately, for linguistic elegance. The Preamble to the Constitution gives context to the Constitution, even though it's not operative language. For instance, even though the operative language clearly says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed", the preparatory language explains the intent of the Amendment is to provide for a well-regulated militia--or, to use modern language, an "assembly of armed citizens equipped appropriately for military operations".

      I was simply was pointing out that it can be interpreted in other ways.

      Oh, I know it can be interpreted in other ways. I just don't think the collectivist interpretation holds any water at all, and I loudly point out the problems with the collectivist interpretation whenever anyone brings it up. :)

      [T]hey have no objection to moderate, regulated gun use.

      But they won't stand up for gun users, either. That's why I'm not a member of the ACLU. Instead of standing up for a civil right, they quietly duck behind a sophistic argument wherein the Second Amendment isn't a civil right at all (i.e., not a right possessed by individuals), and thus they don't need to worry about it.

      That's why, when I'm feeling particularly snippy, I call them the American Civil Liberties We Like Union. :)

    7. Re:Unfortunately... by rjh · · Score: 2

      No, I can't support this interpretation because it's unconstitutional. Once the government gets into the business of banning weapons, they can just as easily get into the business of banning religions. There's not much difference between ``those damn handguns! We have to get rid of them!'' and ``those damn Jews! We have to get rid of them!''

      If you want to support a Constitutional amendment which would change the wording of the Second Amendment, more power to you. I have no objection at all to people who wish to amend the Constitution to achieve their gun-control objectives. The amendment approach has intellectual integrity; it doesn't try and spin and contort words until the entire Constitution is left inconsistent as an e2fs partition after a five-year old has been playing with the power switch.

    8. Re:Unfortunately... by rho · · Score: 2
      I don't think the Founders were thinking of assault rifles when the Bill of Rights was written.

      You're kidding, right? ALL rifles were assault rifles when the Bill of Rights was written. What handguns there were were assault handguns (they certainly didn't use them to hunt with -- they were too squirrelly for hunting. Their only use was for personal defense against biped animals)

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    9. Re:Unfortunately... by rjh · · Score: 2

      It's not the same: prohibiting people from worshiping on Saturday is the sanctioning of Sunday-worshipers over Saturday-worshipers and is thus implied as establishing Sunday-worship as a National Religion.

      I beg to differ. Please find me a Con Law professor, reference or Federal court decision which finds them to be substantially different.

      If the government is allowed to circumvent a ``shall not'' in one Amendment, they can then apply the exact same logic to circumvent any other Amendment. The reference for that one, by the by, is Alan Dershowitz.

      I'm not a Second Amendment enthusiast because I love guns. I defend the Second Amendment because I really, really love the Fourth.

      A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

      Please explain how that phriase means that you can carry a concealed weapon.


      Simple. The ``shall not be infringed'' means Congress lacks the authority to infringe, in whatever manner, on the individual's right to keep and bear. ``Bear'' means ``carry''. Putting a no-concealed-carry restriction on the Second Amendment means that the right to keep and bear arms is being infringed by Congress--an explicit Second Amendment no-no.

      Up until the Fourteenth Amendment came along, states had an unlimited right to enact gun control measures--as was appropriate, since the state was tasked with regulating the militia (as was hinted at in the preparatory language). Ever since the Fourteenth Amendment, though, things have gotten considerably muddier.

      I am marginally in favor of gun control laws being applied at the state level. But it's pretty clear that Congress' hands are tied pretty tightly on the gun-control issue. Please don't mischaracterize my position as one of unlimited Second Amendment freedom--the Second Amendment, as originally drafted, merely meant the Federal government could not enact gun control law.

  70. The problem is not the DMCA... by Otis_INF · · Score: 2

    it's the Justice System of the USA which thinks it has the right to convict people for crimes they have 'committed' outside the USA. The USA may think they are allowed to do this, but what a person does in, say, the Netherlands, is not of the USA's business. Now EVERY citizen of EVERY country needs to know the USA laws, because he/she can get arrested when he/she visits the USA, and get convicted for a crime based on USA laws, that only IS a crime according to THOSE laws, but f.e. not according to the laws in the country the 'crime' was committed. (example: in the Netherlands you can legally buy and sell hasj, smoke hasj etc.)

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    1. Re:The problem is not the DMCA... by Otis_INF · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But he's arrested because the USA government says he committed a crime based on USA laws, but USA laws are not valid in Russia. So technically, he's not a criminal, but because some government abroad cooked up some laws (DMCA) suddenly he is. Odd. That's like arresting all Americans who are owner of a handgun, when they visit a western european country, allthough they don't carry the gun with them.

      Also, he's not charged with the crime 'selling illegal software'.

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    2. Re:The problem is not the DMCA... by flatrock · · Score: 2

      They sold the software in the US. They committed a crime in the US. When he visited the US he was arrested for a crime that was committed in the US.

  71. I propose a new icon for stories like this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    the US Constitution burning in flames.

  72. Re:Skylarov's Big Mistake by isaac_akira · · Score: 2

    Wasn't his big mistake to sell the program?

    Do you think he decided to sell it in the U.S.? He is just a 26 year old programmer at the company, and if it's anything like the software companies I've seen, the programmers have very little to do with the sales side of things. The program was meant for the domestic Russian market, but at some point they had a deal with a U.S. distributer to sell it here as well (until Adobe asked them to stop, which they did, after only selling a few copies).

    If they were gonna lock somebody up, shouldn't it have been the market droids at ElComSoft? ;-) Nah, frat boys in suits aren't as scary as hackers.

  73. You Americans know he is your Hero by Iva_Davokov · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I see you kind people know he is should free. Bad law and he make everyone know about. I hope that make him free and make thing better for America. I read that he is hero here, is true, no. 'If this happens, then with any luck the plight of this poor Russian will come to an end and his sacrifice will have served as a catalyst to awaken a broader spectrum of America to the injustice of this law. If in doing so it leads to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act being suitably revised, he will become the latest, if somewhat unwilling and accidental, champion of the First Amendment and a somewhat unusual protector of the U.S Constitution. ' Make free, please. Love Iva

  74. And another thing! by Greyfox · · Score: 2

    Can you be convicted under the DMCA? Have you ever written code to convert one file format to another? Especially a proprietary file format? For a company? Might the evidence that damns you to jail for longer than a crime of rape woud be in your own Resume? Stranger things have happened...

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  75. Russians seem a bit quiet? by HuskyDog · · Score: 5, Interesting
    If a US citizen was arrested in Moscow for violating a Russian law whilst he was in the US then it would be the top story on CNN and Bush would be shouting down the phone at Mr Putin (spelling?).

    Why isn't the reverse happening now? My girlfriends (who speaks Russian) tells me that the case is being covered in the Russian press, but its very much a 1/4 column on page 6 type of story. Perhaps Russia wants the big US corporations to invest in their country and doesn't want to upset them?

    Anybody seen any comment from the Russian government?

    1. Re:Russians seem a bit quiet? by anticypher · · Score: 2

      Americans are regularly arrested in Russia for various crimes, mostly drug related. About 2 per week in Moscow alone, according to my embassy friends.

      There is a notice up in the lobby of every US embassy in Europe, and probably Russia as well, warning Americans that the embassy can not support them in any way if they are arrested. It goes on to say that the ex-USSR countries no longer notify the embassy if an american is arrested in the country, since the US state department has quietly stopped obeying an international treaty to do the same for foreigners caught in America.

      There is a whole list of things to do to attract the attention of the embassy staff in case of arrest in Russia, Byelorusse, Ukraine, or other ex-communist states. Simple advice such as repeatedly asking to phone the embassy or a relative in the US, asking other prisoners to relay the message, or ask a local lawyer to relay the message. Then there is a whole list of things the embassy will NOT do for americans, such as provide legal advice, apply diplomatic pressure, or provide any monetary assistance. All the embassy will do is relay your plight to a close relative in the US, and will ask officials to be kept advised of your location. That's it.

      There is also a special note that anyone accused of any drug related crime will not receive any assistance from the embassy, part of the "war on drugs" policy. So most police forces always toss a drugs trafficing charge in with the other charges, which, by US law, keeps the embassy away. During the trial, the drugs charge tends to just disappear, but by then the US State Department has completely forgotten the case.

      I'm so glad I'm not an american.

      the AC

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    2. Re:Russians seem a bit quiet? by HuskyDog · · Score: 2
      Americans are regularly arrested in Russia for various crimes, mostly drug related.

      Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. I didn't say that there would be a fuss if Russia arrested an American. I said (read my post carefully) that there would be a fuss if they were arrested for what they had done whilst they were still in the USA. Presumably the guys you are talking about are aledged to have broken Russian law by trying to smuggle drugs into Russia. They therefore committed the aledged offences on Russian soil. Clearly that is completely different to the Dmitry case.

    3. Re:Russians seem a bit quiet? by karb · · Score: 2
      since the US state department has quietly stopped obeying an international treaty to do the same for foreigners caught in America.

      There was a lot of press about this concerning the two german brothers in (insert name of correct southwestern state here).

      The real reason for the problem is that

      1. It would basically have to be an addition to miranda, since, as in the case of the german brothers, they had dual citizenship and it just hadn't occurred to anybody that they were also german
      2. Coming out of europe, ironically, with their pronounced regional problems that still exist today (see northern ireland, scotland, the basque region, and others my small intellect have missed) we have very powerful _states_, who do many criminal prosecutions. The State Department and DOJ cannot force the state/county/municipal DOJ's to do much of anything, including informing foreign citizens of their consular rights, and (presumably) informing foreign consulates of the arrests of their citizens.
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  76. Re:Where's the outrage for the other crap going on by VB · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It'd be cool if this tirade actually focused enough media attention on this situation to effect a repeal of this law. It's possible. The law is wrong and there are many in the /. community who are vocal; sometimes get noticed; and, don't have a hobby besides technology.

    You might be off doing art, but you'll probably continue geeking out your machines to those graphic ends regardless.

    The "minions" you appear to refer to on /. are your silent friend while you're off painting.

    Acknowledge that and don't alienate those who'll rabidly be defending your interests while you're painting your ideas.

    If you can help them, you should. If you're part geek/part artist, you shouldn't criticize those who are just geek. They might be helpful to you when you're more focused on your art.

    Artists tend not be judgemental. I am one. I'm also a geek, but respect the diverse opinions this forum depicts and don't make judgements. I couldn't since I'm an artist.

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  77. plea bargain and police state by mj6798 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    You know that this is going to be settled: prosecutors know that going through with the trial is risky, but they can sure intimidate Sklyarov with 25 years in jail (he wouldn't survive it, so it might as well be the death penalty) and a $2.5M fine (try paying that back in rubles).

    But, hey, why stop there? If we have such unbounded trust in our legal officials, why do we bother with laws at all? Why not give police complete freedom to pick up people that are engaged in unsavory activities according to their judgement, give prosecutors complete freedom to craft punishments, and give judges complete freedom to impose whatever they see fit for whatever action they see as illegal or detrimental to society? Given the penalties currently on the books, we might as well.

    What this comes down to is that the US is increasingly not a country of laws but a country run by the law enforcement and justice system. The distinction is profound and it is very important to keep it in mind. In fact, we have a name for the latter situation: it's called a "police state".

    1. Re:plea bargain and police state by bnenning · · Score: 2
      Why not give police complete freedom to pick up people that are engaged in unsavory activities according to their judgement, give prosecutors complete freedom to craft punishments, and give judges complete freedom to impose whatever they see fit for whatever action they see as illegal or detrimental to society?


      We're at least halfway there. See "civil asset forfeiture". Punishment is no longer just for the guilty.

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  78. Now what? by slaida1 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Hostile retrieval of Sklyarov by Russian undercover squad or some other paramilitant group? He's freed for now after bails of $50,000 so somebody do this man a favour and smuggle him out of the country.

    This US justice shit has gone too far, kidnapping foreign people for no reason (Adobe retreated) and promoting US as the last country where one could find fair trials. It's a circus, paid clowns babbling whatever bs that makes'em most money and making general public somewhat content about the show.

    I can tell what's fair when I see such actions. Maybe Adobe and other corporations should understand not to treat individual people as they treat other corps. It may backfire other ways than to what they are prepared for.

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  79. Re:A General Strike! by joss · · Score: 2

    Threats are useless unless you mean it, and people know that you mean it. At the very least it would get the attention of a more mainstream audience.

    Lives are already put at risk by this stupid law, in an indirect but very real way. It's the information equivalent of welding shut the hood of your vehicle and making it illegal to try and open it. The burden this puts on everybody will, in the long run, cost thousands, possibly millions, of lives. For instance, a medical researcher today can photocopy a useful page which may be the key to finding a drug that saves lives. Take away that convenience, and maybe he doesn't find the cure, or it takes him longer. It's hard to point and say - this guy died because of this law, but the effect is real regardless.

    If people die fighting this law, it's unfortunate, but people often die fighting bad laws, and they die because of bad laws. As civilization advances a larger proportion of the economy is in the form of IP. The amount of benefit that people can gain from information is diminished by restrictions. The DMCA acts as an anchor on the advancement of civilization.

    I'm not saying we should genuninely risk people's lives to fight this thing, but one has to accept some risk to do anything. Sometimes there is a greater risk from doing nothing.

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  80. What about his family? by Badgerman · · Score: 2

    I'm bang alongside helping and protesting for Sklyarov, but are there any ways to donate for his family? I'm sure they've got enough concerns and expenses as it is.

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  81. Re:Skylarov's Big Mistake by flatrock · · Score: 2

    He did decide to sell the program. He sold it to his company for his salary. They paid him for it and he gave them the rights to distribute it.

    The more important and more specific question is if he knew they would sell it in the United States. I guess that's one for the courts to decide.

  82. Re:General Blustering and Posturing by wfrp01 · · Score: 2

    Unfortunately, I think you're right. The mass of computer related professionals has no real organization. And like any other group, their opinions will run the gamut on this or any other issue. Not to mention, even the people who would like to shout in unison have families to support, jobs to worry about, etc.

    "Blustering and Posturing". How frustrating. But true.

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  83. He broke no law by Hilary+Rosen · · Score: 3, Informative

    Developing the alternative ebook reader is not a crime in the country in which it was developed. He should be freed because of lack of juristiction.

    Trafficking in the reader, is a crime in the US, and the effects are felt in the US (until the govt. firewalls us like China). However, it was Elcomsoft (codefendants) who were doing this, and not Sklyarov.

    What Sklyarov is guilty of is the long-abhorred practice of being $NATIONALITY in vicinity of $CRIME. He's going to get nailed to the wall.

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  84. Re:Skylarov's Big Mistake by Ben+Hutchings · · Score: 2

    I thought corporations were supposed to take away individual liability. Isn't that the whole point of them?

  85. Stage a Book Burning in front of Adobe offices! by takochan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    how about staging a book burning (or old adobe software burning) in front of Adobe offices..

    Since that basically is what the DMCA fight is all
    about anyways.. control of thought, expression and writing in the digital age.....ie book
    burning in the modern acge a la Fairenheit 451..

    This is a type of action that might make it clear to the mainstream press what this fight is really about... control over our expression, and companies attempts to control press, throw people
    in jail for thoughtcrime...etc..

    And why Adobe? Well, they started it, and as far
    as I am concerned, it was companies like these
    that lobbied/bribed/pressured our congress people
    to get this law.. so now they can use all that
    political power and money to get Dmitry out, and
    then get rid of this law, or suffer the
    consequences publicly in the street from us.

  86. Bad analogy by Legion303 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    He didn't "run the store," he didn't sell the software and it certainly isn't his company. He's just a lowly programmer.

    If you were to be arrested in, say, Afghanistan, because the company you work for is run by a woman (and is trying to do business there), would you meekly accept whatever punishment they meted out? After all, you tried to "push" your illegal woman-owned company there, right?

    -Legion

  87. Re:Skylarov's Big Mistake by flatrock · · Score: 2

    Corporations limit finacial libility to the amount invested in the corporation, unless the investor commits a crime such as fraud.

    Corporations do not limit individual criminal liability. Individuals are still and always should be responsible for their individual actions.

  88. But where would you go? by Teancum · · Score: 2

    I would agree that there are many injustices in America, and basic freedoms being taken away. All that said, where exactly is a place to go that you could enjoy more freedoms?

    I'll admit that Russia is beginning to look very attractive, but they still need to get their act together, and learn what ideas they need to reject from western democracies (like the DCMA... BTW) but still allow their citizens to enjoy basic freedoms.

    China? Yeah, right.

    Australia? A resonable choice, but it is becoming more like the US in all the wrong ways.

    New Zealand? I don't know if they would appreciate it if a couple of million Americans suddenly showed up in their country (assuming a mass exodus). Still, it has some appeal to Americans wanting to get out of the country.

    Anywhere in Europe? America is made of people who wanted to get away from Europe. I think both America and Europe are better for everybody leaving. (no pun intended)

    Africa? Again... yeah, right.

    India? WTF?????

    Latin America? Heck, the United States needs to point guns just to keep people out. Brazil isn't too bad (I've lived there) but the governments in this region are still too unstable, and rather prone to military takeovers.

    Canada? From the viewpoint of Americans, this is simply a country that should be called US-#2. I know canadians and that isn't exactly true, but at the same time, their laws tend to follow the US at least for things that affect the average person. Again, this is a good choice if you simply have to get away, but extradition is much easier from Canada than many other countries.

    Middle East? And you want to go there for more freedoms? Yeah, right. Israel isn't too bad for the ordinary citizens, as long as you understand that everybody else in that region wants to kill you as an ordinary citizen. It is also hard to become an Israeli citizen if you are not a Jew.

    Moon? Mars? Antarctica? At least there isn't a government at these three locations, but there are some rather important technological problems that need to be solved, and probabally a whole lot of money before you can even think of living in these places. The environmentalists would probabally have a hard time with a large, permanent settlement in Antarctica, which could only be successful anyway if they did mineral extraction (oil, natural gas, mining, etc.) The oil from Antarctica would be extreamly expensive.

    Anyway... I'm just saying that America may have its problems, but so does the rest of the world. Instead, at least for now, you need to work with what you got and at least use the basic freedoms that you still have. That and be grateful that at least America will let you leave if you want for now. Indeed, leaving America isn't a problem, the problem is trying to get back in. Even as a US citizen.

  89. Don't forget to write. by CrosseyedPainless · · Score: 2

    I'm serious. If you find one that's really better, let us all know. From my researches, the Scandinavian countries look best from an all-around perspective, but they're not exactly encouraging immigration. Plus, they've been known to knuckle under to corporatism/imperialism. (I'm not knocking them for that, it's realpolitik.)

    Good luck, and report back.

  90. Re:Sigh - of course it is Adobe's fault by bnenning · · Score: 2
    Adobe intended to slap his wrist and instead dropped him into the meat grinder. He is suffering more hardship than they intended.


    Why do you say that? Aside from Adobe's meaningless "oh, we didn't mean it" statement after their meeting with the EFF, they have shown no indication that they give a damn about Sklyarov. Until Adobe takes an affirmative step toward defending him, we can assume that his arrest and imprisonment is exactly what they want.

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  91. Just a process issue by Kope · · Score: 2

    Of course he was indicted. Indictment simply means that there is enough evidence to warrant a trial. It says NOTHING about if the law is good or not. I says NOTHING about constitutional issues. ALL an indictment means is that there is ample warrant to apply the resources of the court system to trying this case because there is sufficient evidence to suggest that a guilty verdict is POSSIBLE (not probable or even likely, but POSSIBLE).

    Now, here's a hint of what will happen next. There will be a hearing to discuss constitutional issues. The defense will raise the issue of the constitutionality of the DMCA and it's application. The judge will enter the hearing into the record of the trial but will proceed anyway. More than likely a guilty verdict will be returned. The defense will appeal based on the evidence supplied at the aforementioned hearing. At this point the courts will look at the constitutionality of the law and it's application. It won't happen before the appeal process. Prior to the appeal's court the judges aren't going to weight in on constitutional questions

    This isn't a reason to "give up" on the american legal system. It is simply the way the system is designed to work. The legislative body has passed a law. A lower court is applying the law as it understands it. An appeals court will (likely) look at the wording of the law, how it was applied, and what it was intended to address and rule on the constintutional issues. It is precisely the way the system is designed to work. Moaning about "unfairness" at this stage is just demonstrating ignorance of the way the system works.

    1. Re:Just a process issue by Quila · · Score: 2

      Indictment simply means that there is enough evidence to warrant a trial. It says NOTHING about if the law is good or not.

      Indictments have nothing anymore to do with whether there is enough evidence to warrant a trial, since the general wisdom is that "A good prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich."

      They are now either rubber stamps for a trial or the legal muscle behind a prosecutorial fishing expedition (e.g., Whitewater). Their original place as protectors of unwarranted prosecution is long gone.

      Of course, this fact makes your case even better.

  92. Re:looking forward to the russian response... by tzanger · · Score: 2

    I seem to remeber a guy getting caned in China (or was it Hong Kong?) for breaking a law. I also seem to remeber the US population screaming and whining about the brutality and unfairness.

    The little shit who did that committed the crime while in the country he was arrested in. Dmitry did nothing wrong while in the U.S.

    Therefore I doubt Russia will raise a fuss, and I don't think Sklyarov should be set free. you don't break a country's laws (no matter how stupid), go to that country and expect not to get arrested.

    See my comment to your first paragraph. If Dmitry did something wrong while in the U.S. (and I don't think giving a speech is illegal yet) then sure, he will have to be punished under U.S. Law. AFAIK, he did not write the eBook decryptor in the U.S.; he did that in Russia.

  93. Constitutional Law by underwhelm · · Score: 2

    I'm no constitutional scholar, but the US constitution only applies to US Citizens and those on US soil. Dmitry never broke a law on US soil. Your reading would imply that that phrase has the meaning "Congress shall have the power ... to regulate commerce _in_ foriegn nations," which is patently incorrect.

    If the US doesn't want people *buying* circumvention devices, they should have put that in the DMCA and prosecuted Americans for buying the program sold by Elcomsoft. That would have eliminated any nasty jurisdiction problem. Nowadays, the economy's global until an industry lobby group throws a few soirees in the nation's capitol. Then it's jingoism time.

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    1. Re:Constitutional Law by aozilla · · Score: 2

      I'm no constitutional scholar, but the US constitution only applies to US Citizens and those on US soil.


      Well then, if the constitution doesn't apply, then it can't exactly be unconstitutional, can it?


      I believe that there is jurisdiction in this case, since the products were sold through a U.S. company to U.S. citizens living in the U.S. But that's not my point.


      The DMCA is a horrible law. The Dmitry arrest is doubly horrible. But that doesn't mean you should throw around the word "unconstitutional". A lot of people get the false impression that the constitution protects them from the government making bad laws. It doesn't. What it does is allows the people to make informed decisions about the laws and correct them when an overwhelming majority of people disagree with them.


      Most people are for copyright law, not against it. Banning tools which are designed for the primary purpose of breaking copyright laws is a fairly natural extension. IMHO the solution is education of the public so that they can see that the DMCA (and indeed copyright law itself) is an unnecessary evil. Whining about constitutionality without backing it up with reasons as to why you think it's unconstitutional in the first place is completely unproductive. In my opinion, even fighting the DMCA on the grounds of constitutionality is unproductive. If it is unconstitutional, it's only due to the specific phrasing of the law and it will be trivial for congress to change that phrasing to make what Dmitry did illegal without the new law being unconstitutional.

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  94. Yikes! by Merk · · Score: 2


    If you're going to supply a form letter at least make it readable:



    This law is currently being used by the federal government to quash the Free Speech rights of a Russian computer programmer, Dmitry Sklyarov, who was arrested for using his programming skills to demonstrate that Adobe Corporation's E-Book security was flawed and held without bail for several weeks in the United States.


    Change that unreadable run-on sentence to something like: "This law is currently being used to quash the Free Speech rights of Dmitry Sklyarov, a Russian computer programmer. Mr. Sklyarov was arrested after using his computer programming skills to demonstrate the serious security flaws in Adobe corporation's E-Book technology. Adding insult to this arrest, Mr. Sklyarov was held without bail for several weeks before being indicted." I also think any letter should emphasize that Sklyarov wasn't sneaking around, he was speaking at a conference on computer security.

  95. Re:Where's the outrage for the other crap going on by Arandir · · Score: 2

    For the berating, I do apologize. I was on my feet all day at LWCE and I was tired and exhausted. But I will not apologize for my main point.

    There's a lot of unjust imprisonment in the world, but to focus on one to the exclusion of all else is counter productive. Yes, I said counter productive. The rest of the world is going to look at the protests and think "hackers only care about hackers, so this protest doesn't mean anything." They will be wrong, but that is what they will think.

    People won't care about our issues until we care about theirs. And if no one cares about anyone else's issues, we cease to be civilized.

    I don't want to berate anyone for rallying around Sklyarov. But I do want to open people's eyes tot he fact that Sklyarov is not alone.

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  96. Re:One word: by Bobo+the+Space+Chimp · · Score: 2

    Perhaps he just forgot to check the "No Score +1 Bonus" box. I forget once in awhile. (It would be nice to have an option on your personal page to make it default to checked.)

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  97. Maybe the Feds are doing the right thing here by Guppy06 · · Score: 2

    *instert obligatory "free Sklyarov" statements here*

    Now, let's pretend for a moment that you are the executive branch of the US government. You see a law that the previous administration enacted that you don't like. How do you get rid of it? The executive branch is the only branch of the three that can neither create nor strike down laws. All they can do is (not) enforce it.

    Bush and his people could try to convince Congress to modify the law, but the last time the DMCA went through there not so long ago, it got an awful lot of support. The idea might lose some votes this time around, but not many. (MPAA and RIAA represent a big chung of US exports, economic troubles, blah blah blah)

    They could decide not to enforce it, more or less ignore the white-collar copiers and only bring it up against those that should be thrown in jail. Unfortunately, that still leaves the ugly wording of the law lurking under the surface to strike back at inopportune times (say, when the next president comes into office). Besides, if you slack too much in enforcing the law, you get impeached for not doing what you're supposed to be doing.

    The only other real option they have is to get the courts to strike it down (or at least modify it majorly in their interpretation of it). But, when there's a good chance that the case will appear before a judge that you didn't help put into office, how do you make sure that the court decision goes your way?

    By enforcing the law in the broadest and strictest way imaginable, in a way that not only blatently demonstrates the unconstitutionality of the law as-is (so the judge would have to be a complete and utter facist to let it stand), but also pisses off enough constituants to convince Congress not to try it again any time soon.

    Is what is happening really some sort of "master plan" by the Attourney General, lying in wait until they got just the right kind of nudge from dim-witted CEOs at Adobe? Probably not, Occam's Razor being what it is. However, if it's not being done on purpose, then they seem to be shooting themselves in the foot by going forward with a case that's such an attention magnet.

  98. Re:Have you ever been to these protests? They're s by bugg · · Score: 2
    I gathered my friends; all five of the people had no intention on going before I talked them into it. (And there already were signs around the CS classes in Wean)

    You really can't expect much more than that out of someone who isn't claiming to be running the protest (nor has the time to organize a successful protest)

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