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Mozilla Relicensing
bluephone writes: "Today, the bits go into the tree to relicense Mozilla under a triple license, MPL/GPL/LGPL. What this means, for those of you who aren't too up on this stuff, is that when YOU take the code, and make your own product, you now have a triple choice as to what license you want to distribute your code under. Read the FAQ here."
first post!!!
Gentoo Sucks
its about time more people bash gay microsoft
The dog got loose on my computer, and now there's XP all over the screen. -Paul www.ploeb.net
Second Post!!
Microsoft Fucking Sucks!! Up The Penguins!!
What shall we do.
Wait 'till Sheriff Stallman hears about this!
the next time osama does the world a favour, could he please take out redmond, nothing there but whores
is that we will now be restricted in 3 ways, since none of these is an OPen license. Down with commie linux.
losers
MOM
Lookout!
Note: we have only relicensed 6,000 files, using Netscape's ability to relicense files under the NPL. We have a bunch more of those to do (with different comment structure), and then we have to ask permission for the ones covered by the MPL.
This is the very beginning of the process. The story erroneously implies it's finished. It's not.
Gerv
I really wish people would get off this the GPL is "holier than thou" crap. Free mean free. Not whacko RMS's opinion of free. Thank goodness for the BSD license.
Would you like to go out of business: A) Next week, B) In a few months, or C) Kicking and screaming in about a year or two?
C) is really only available to the independently wealthy, as venture capitalists have figured out that FREE MEANS FREE, as in NO beer money.
This is exciting news. One step nearer total non-NPL-ness!
Our company is seriosuily looking at Modzilla for a variety business applications. Having total control of the product gives up the flexibility to create some really cool app. for our clients. I think Mozilla, if marketed correctly, could start regaining market share from MS. Honestly, technology trends start at the fortune 500 level (in my opinion) - start there and it may have a chance to succeed. Grass roots support is not enough to take it forward.
Cheers,
-Angreal
In and around the lake
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and they stand there
Now people will say dumb stuff about THREE licenses at the same time, because they never read it.
when YOU take the code, and make your own product, you now have a triple choice as to what license you want to distribute your code under
It's better than that -- you now have 8 choices for licensing when you redistribute Mozilla, because you can distribute the code under any combination of licenses. (The empty set is a choice because both the BSD and the MPL allow distributing just binaries.)
The shareholder is always right.
This post is >= post[1] and <= post[position(last)].
I rule.
If some of the original files (dbm, expat, jpeg etc.) are still being licensed under their original licenses (BSD, MIT etc.) how is that going to affect the overall GPL compatiablity of the triple-license scheme for the whole project? And if, as I suspect, it will make the whole Mozilla project incompatible with the GPL, what was the point of the tripple licensing scheme?
just wondering.
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What about the Artistic license? The Python license? The Common Public License? The Sleepycat license? The Nethack General Public license?
Why did they choose just 3 licenses, when the Open Source Initiative approves of 23 licenses?
Licensing... so fucking what. I'll do whatever I damn well please with it. Fuck what the 'developers' want. I'll piss in their eye and blow my putrid shit up against their face so hard they'll wish they were dead. So fuck licensing. I'll do whatever I want with Mozilla. I have no respect at all for software developers. They're probably gay anyways.
The Mozilla project is a great success of the Open Source Community. It has spawned so many good projects like Bugzilla and Tinderbox. It has also ushered in a new era of cooperation between commercial entities and the community with the release of both Mozilla and the proprietary Netscape browser based on the same source code. The resources required to organize a project of this size and complexity were until recently thought to be beyond the range of Open Source.
Even though the browser itself is a technical failure, being slower and more buggy than Opera and Konqueror, and even Internet Exploder, the project is one of the great successes of our Community. This relicensing is a further ambitious step for the good of the community that hasn't been tried on a project of this scale before. I wish the best of luck to the Mozilla people, and may your name live on long after your browser has died!
Even Slashdot wants to hide some things
and so on, and so forth.
I'll remember this post whenever I get mod points and see a post by you... I'll mod them all down, faggot "first post"er... I don't care if people M2 me unfair, i'm helping get rid of fag users like you...
Your days of karma whoring are over!
or is licensing (in this case at least) getting out of control? Sheesh, I have enough trouble understanding the nuances of ONE license let alone THREE. Then you have interactions between each of the licenses, mutual exclusions maybe... my mind shudders at the mere thought of it. I'm sure the lawyers have thought about all this, but it just seems strange to me to have three different licenses. Oh yeah, the FAQ confuses me even more... maybe I'm just a confused person.
http://www.geocities.com/cy_ent/bugroff.html
Simply stated, the Bugroff license says...
The answer to any and every question relating to the copyright, patents, legal issues of Bugroff licensed software is....
Sure, No problem. Don't worry, be happy. Now bugger off.
Follow the link for more on my reasoning and why the GPL is cosmically speaking a bad idea.
I guess this now means that there are three times as many people on /. that will flame one for releasing a derived product.
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And they say the corporate world is full of beurocracy (OK I know I can't spell that)? What happened to just old-fashioned bloody copyright: "I made it, shove off". Give it away for free if you want, and then if the company every goes bust, the source is made available. And this would also stop crap companies being rescued by last-minute buyouts as they would have no software assets.
Problem solved.
Next: how to prove that I own the idea of software.
Acting stupid isn't much fun when there's someone around who knows better
People still use Mozilla? They must be morons. Konqueror and IE6 are so much better.
Mozilla Repenising
Posted by michael on Wednesday September 19, @05:21PM
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bluepenis writes: "Today, the dick goes into the mouth to relicense Mozilla under a triple penis, MPL/GPL/LGPL. What this means, for those of you who aren't too up on this cock, is that when YOU take the ass, and make your own buttfuck, you now have a triple choice as to what penis you want to distribute your ass under. Read the FAG here."
You may only distribute this work under the following terms:
- If you distribute this work, it must not be distributed in a manner that satisfies these terms.
End of license.Damn, I hadn't realised that the Mozilla browser had failed as I use it daily on 5 different computers without having had it crash for well over a month. I guess the fact that it is the most standards compliant browser ever made and that it is a joy to use are sure signs of its failure. It must all be an illusion. ;-P
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You obviously haven't tried 0.9.4 . It's really quite good, both faster and much less buggy than previous releases. I was very pleasantly surprised.
Hey, I've had my own criticisms of Mozilla. But it looks as if they may have been right, and the rest of us may have been wrong.
Bruce
Bruce Perens.
Lgpl *and* GPL, why not just the GPL, geesh
The Mozilla browser is far from a failure. Recent releases preform very well against konq and opera. Mozilla is the only serious alternative to IE. Although Netscape 6 may be a failure in the market due to questionable positioning of product release, it should be a force to reckon with if Windows loses grip of the market.
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Yeh, right, the browser is a total flop. That's why major companies are using Gecko (Mozilla's HTML engine).
:) (posting from Moz 0.9.4)
That's why my friends, both geek and non-geek, choose Mozilla >= 0.9.3 for their daily browsing over IE 4/5?
That's why there is now a browser that works, for all intents and purposes, on every modern OS? Jeez, this thing already runs on OS X, it runs on Linux, it runs under BSD and Solaris and Win32.
Not only that, the Modern skin is just fucking schweet
Andrew
Bruce
Bruce Perens.
Besides, Mozilla are the only free, complete, platform-independent browsers available (not counting thing based on Mozilla's components). Take a look at the list:
This alone is enought to ensure that Mozilla never dies.
From now on, just because of that one little troll, whenever you post something, I'll always mod it down no matter what. I have a document that lists all the Slashdot users that have ever trolled, so don't think I'll ever forget. Hahaha!
More people use Mozilla than you may realize. Mozilla is embedded in Galeon, the ascending champion of GNOME web browsers. It is also embedded in GNOME's file and desktop manager Nautilus. Also, it is embedded in the windows client for Bloomberg, the premier financial data and news service. It is not as prolific as Internet Explorer, but that is due less to technical merit than to market reality.
What will they think of next ...
Which will likely mean that you'll post these messages, maybe mod one or two people down once, and then give up on it.
Unless you are a looser. Which is, of course, a distinct possibility.
Nah, I have a cron script that automatically mods them down.
It's a shame you hippies can't get on with writing the damn software instead of spending countless hours arguing over the damn licensing of the product.
Or, like the BSD folks, making sure things work together instead of the Linux hippies which pull sources from everywhere and just hope it works.
When asked if he was finally satisfied, Richard Stallman was quoted as saying, "You know, it should really be called GNU/Mozilla."
I'm stunned that the BSD license is not being used. The BSD license has historically been on the forefront of increasing the freedom of users and developers alike. The GNU license is actually designed to further Stallman's communist political philosophy, which even the most cursory examination of the GPL would illustrate. I think the BSD license has the most flerbage too, yes, the GPL is very deficient in the flerbage department.
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Osoma Bin Stallman says this is the one of the greatest days for free software fundamentalists.
The idea that mozilla is slow and buggy is a myth. While it may have been true a six months ago, the most recent releases are extremely fast and stable. No surprise -- the basic functionality has been completed for a while, and most of the recent development has targeted speed and stability.
It now renders most content faster than IE. It is still a bit sluggish with some types of DHTML and Javascript, and the startup time is behind most other browsers.
It is extremely stable, mostly due to the talkback bug reporting system. Talkback automatically allows users to submit back bug reports complete with stack trace to the developers when a crash occurs. This system allowed the moz developers to target the bugs that make the most difference.
The browser may arguably be a failure, but not a technical failure.
I use Mozilla as my primary browser. I don't believe I've yet experienced a crash. Maybe the Windows version isn't as stable, but on Linux, Mozilla is about the best browser available (with Konqueror coming in a very close second).
It's not without its problems, but it's quite a good browser. You have to keep in mind that it's still in development (and probably always will be).
I do agree that the Mozilla project itself is doing all sorts of great things. It takes a lot of work to manage such a huge project (and its associated side projects), but I would not consider Mozilla a "technical failure"...
As for Opera, I've only used it a couple of times, but the MDI interface is just terrible, especially if you have more than one monitor. It's fast, but I just can't get used to the interface.
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if you are a moderater then you are a piece of shit. JEWS SUCK.
laaaah-hooooserrrrrrrrrr.
My post violated the comment oppresion filter.
Yeah, I guess if it doesn't crash for you, therefore everyone else's problems must be an illusion.
I'm sick of these liars who try and say mozilla is better than IE. That's just not true. It's such bullshit. Mozilla is slow, and buggy and bloated. Sorry IE is fast as hell and everything works. IE6 is so fucking awsome. I spend most of my time in linux using mozilla. When i go to a windows box to do something and i check out a website or two with IE6 it's like oh my god this is fucking fast as hell, all the sites work properly and despite the fudsters it crashes alot less than mozilla. I use linux constantly and i think free software is important, but face facts, IE smokes mozilla in a major way. Mozilla is a perpetually beta peice of bloatware. Each release some bugs get fixed, but other bugs pop up. In fact posting to slashdot sucks ass in 0.9.4, becuase if you hit replyto fast in less than 20 seconds, then hit back, the form is empty. And since slashdot has multiple filters that do this, it becomes close to unusable. 0.9 was a big improvement. But every release after that is just a wack-a-mole of kill some bugs here, some others pop up somewhere else. Sorry IE6 is fast and stable and everything just works. I wanted mozilla to be good, but lets get realistic, it's time to give up hope on that floundering project. The Hurd will probably be finished before mozilla.
They should've made the code public domain. I mean, really, the only point of the GPL is to be anti-business. If you really are out for the betterment of humanity, that includes corporations...
:-p
Oops, shhh, I didn't mean to reveal the secret purpose of GPL.
i order you to m0d this post up too u fucking homo bastards!!
the same republicans who want a free market economy and all that rot are going to give the airlines a bunch of tax money to keep them in buisness...
glad to know the free market works.....
stupid capitalists.
SHIP???
I'm not familiar with what you mean, I'm afraid. I'm using Mozilla0.9.4 under Debian 2.2r3 to send this and for ALL my web browsing. It is (finally) a browser that is as good as the latest versions of IE.
P.S. I know you're a Troll, but sometimes I just can't help it.
"a joy to use"
Oh puh-leez. Mozilla is slow and bloated as ever.
People that try and say Mozilla is better than IE are just liars.
Either their lying for karma or for the great free software empire or just to themselves, which exactly i don't know.
But i do know saying mozilla is fast and stable is a lie.
I have written a truly remarkable program which this sig is too small to contain.
1.) You're a moron
2.) You only get 5 points at a time, and only once every so often. My main account has 26 Karma, and going up all the time. It would take you months to mod me to 0 (if you know who I was), even if you could. And you wouldn't be able to concentrate on anyone else at the same time
3.) You probably couldn't because once you get enough 'Unfair' meta-mods, you lose mod capability
(see, the Moderation system is actually pretty abuse-proof)
4.) Who fucking cares about all of this anyway??
No, you don't, you lying sack of shit! If you do, copy and paste it here, fuckwad!
I guess the fact that it is the most standards compliant browser ever made [...]
Prove it. I'll make a contrary assertion: Internet Explorer 6 is the most standards-compliant browser ever made. I'm not going to support it at all, but you didn't support your "fact" either.
I've heard this statement given as fact a lot, and I don't buy it. Last time I tried to make CSS pages on Mozilla, it seemed to have some important CSS-1 stuff broken. (And before a Bugzilla person jumps in: I don't really want to spend the time checking Mozilla's complete CSS compliance and creating bug reports. I just want people to stop spouting "facts".)
it may be fast to render a page, but it take more than a second just to open a right-click menu or any simple action like that. WHY?
(on a 750MHz K7 with 256Mb memory, running nothing else)
this is very anoying.
I like the BSD license because I'm a strong believer in corporate welfare. My goal in life is to spend all my free time writing software for Microsoft to steal. I think every programmer should devote several hours per week of free time to donate their skills to multi-billon dollar multi-national corporations. I plan on devoting all my vacation and leave time to this worthy cause.
Thanks for reading this thread and replying. :)
:)
One question: there is only one drawback to Mozilla on Linux left for me, which is that I can't access my credit card account at CapitolOne.com. They say my browser (Netscape 6.0) is Non-Compliant, but they're "working on it".
Do you have any insight into this?
Thanks for all your (and everyone else's) great work! (and for putting up with all our whining while we were waiting to get to this point
Cheers!
Yet another crippling bombshell hit th beleaguered *BSD community when last month IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of ll servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last in th recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick nd its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For ll practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
*BSD is dying
How odd. On my Debian 2.2r3 system, there is only the slightest pause when right-clicking in a window for the menu to come up (I have Duron 750/256mb).
:)
Opening a new window (Ctrl-N) takes a little more than a second.
Regardless, all this stuff has gotten better with each successive release, so hang in there, all the performance issues will eventually just go away.
first off, -1 Offtopic...
Second, I rather think this situation is a special case. This isn't just your usual corrupt government subsidy; we're talking a part of the national infrastructure that is privately run and in serious trouble from many people's new-found (and rather understandable) fear of flying.
I am inclined to think that it will work out worse for everybody if only the strong survive here -- the big carriers will crowd all the smaller ones out of the market.
/Brian
Ya mozilla is holding out on a 1.0 release until fast hardware is common enough that it doens't seem so fricken slow and bloated.
well of course the free market isnt good for the majority of the people.
working conditions and wages and stuff wold be horrible for the majority if we had a free market.
thats why the free market sucks, and either you agree that it sucks, or you dont give money to help out buisness'
the market will fix itself.
Good one! Wow, razor-sharp, aren't ya?? So nice to have you around.
Lord knows it doesn't require much hardware to run W2K or WXP, does it?
What a fucking idiot, you can't even Troll effectively!
Well, with IE you can't disable popup windows. It has no themes. It isn't very standards compliant. Seems like a pretty losing browser to me.
You've probably tried Mozilla 0.6 and based your judgment on that. Well, that version is crap. Everybody agrees on that.
Just try a recent version. Since 0.9, Mozilla has never crashed on my box. Completely unlike IE. Once started, it's just as fast as any other browser (it still starts slowish, but it's way better than it used to be.)
Context menus don't appear until you lift the right mouse button, because of the gesture feature, which is great for power users but not very useful for most users.
In IE 5.5, context menus don't appear until you lift the right mouse button, and you can exploit this to get around JavaScript right-click traps. In Mozilla build 2001091403 (the nightly trunk build released right after the 0.9.4 milestone), context menus don't appear until you lift the right mouse button. Your point?
Will I retire or break 10K?
It takes more than a 1.2 gig athlon with 256 meg fo ram to run Window 2k?
I ask becuase i know that's the minimum hardware mozilla needs to not be slow as fuck.
Oh wait windows 2k needs a 486.
I dare ya to run mozilla on a 486, bwahahha.
I really like Mozilla. I don't like Microsoft, so I don't like IE. Netscape 4.7 is OK. I don't like Opera -- it has many bugs too. Konqueror is too "KDE" -- it's not for everyone, just KDE folks. Lynx won't display graphics at all. So that is why I like Mozilla.
Sounds like you used IE4 or something, everyone agrees that version is shit.
Try IE6.
I try every release of mozilla, and they always suck.
Last time I read the LGPL, there was a clause that said that you are free to relicense LGPL stuff as GPL. Explicitly saying it's both LGPL and GPL seems redundant, right? Or am I missing something?
From the LGPL text:
You may opt to apply the terms of the ordinary GNU General Public License instead of this License to a given copy of the Library. To do this, you must alter all the notices that refer to this License, so that they refer to the ordinary GNU General Public License, version 2, instead of to this License. (If a newer version than version 2 of the ordinary GNU General Public License has appeared, then you can specify that version instead if you wish.) Do not make any other change in these notices.
Once this change is made in a given copy, it is irreversible for that copy, so the ordinary GNU General Public License applies to all subsequent copies and derivative works made from that copy.
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I am not sure if your statements re: Konqueror are accurate. I think that Konq exists mainly to provide an exact counterpart to Internet Explorer for KDE: an "integrated-with-the-desktop" Web browser.
I do not agree with this idea. More importantly I do not want to subject my desktop to the kinds of bloat that KDE and GNOME represent. Hence my reasons for not using Konq and for using Mozilla; if I were a KDE user I'd give it a go.
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Does that mean if I want to break the rules of one license, I can choose another license in which that rule does not apply?
Open Konqueror and point it at espn.com and you'll see that it doesn't render properly at all. Mozilla has rendered this just fine since 0.9.1 (Flash & Real plugins included).
Now, go to your Hotmail account. Notice how there's no "Add/Edit Attachments" button? It's there in Mozilla. This is also true of IMP, which I run on my mailserver. You can click to add an attachment under IMP, but when you browse to the file, highlight it and click OK, it says "You must choose a file to attach".
Don't get me wrong, Konqueror is a nice browser and improving all the time, but for general browsing (under Linux anyway), Mozilla is the best overall at rendering and handling pages properly.
Moz runs quite acceptably on my 266MHz laptop.
Your troll nature has been revealed for what it is. You lose.
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I suggest you fix your computer, because it's obviously broken. Even my Celeron 500 with 64Mb of RAM isn't that slow.
Once started, it's just as fast as any other browser (it still starts slowish, but it's way better than it used to be.)
In Windows, you can configure Mozilla to load itself in the background when Windows boots up, just like Internet Explorer.
Now that Mozilla uses the same cheat to lower startup times, which browser starts faster?
Answer: Mozilla.
Which browser renders pages faster?
Answer: Mozilla
After the recent readme.eml debacle, I switched all our computers here at work over to Mozilla. They range anywhere from a P200/128mb up to 1ghz Athlon/512mb. No one has complained about speed.
Also, please paste the link that says W2K runs on a 486. Given the way it runs on a P300/256mb here at work, I'm quite sure it would be absolutely unusable even if it did install.
*sigh* Sorry, you're just a luser Troll, and not even a good one.
buh bye............
WHO CARES?!?!?!??!?!??!? MOZILLA IS AND ALWAYS WILL B GAY MY GOD WHO THE FUCk WOULD USE A MORE COMPLICATED AND TROUBLESOM BROWSER JUST GO BE A COOL ANTI-MICROSOFT?????? FUCK YOU
If any of your machines at work were still suseptable to the old holes that this latest worm expoits then you or your IS people are morons.
Which faggot likes giant dicks in his anus?
Answer: You.
Whoever you are, I think that you need to take a reality check. Like anyone would care that you're going to mod them down. Please.
Do I believe that you have an automated mod down script? No. Do I care? Not particularly.
I don't care about Karma anyway. I'm just here to read posts made by really, really smart people and maybe learn a thing or two.
pressure/grep
Microsoft Fucking Sucks!! Up The Penguins!!
I've used Opera 5.11, with all the cookie settings set wide open (SIGH...) to access Wells Fargo online banking.
Opera didn't used to work there, I complained. I don't know if it was my complaint, but shortly thereafter, I was able to access via Opera.
Mozilla fucking blows. I had an awsome flame all typed up and ready to go and then i hit reply and "you need to wait 2 minutes between posts" so i hit the back button, and kablamo the form is completely empty, so instead of rewriting said flame, i'll simply mention this new and exciting bug that has just appeared in the "better than ever" 0.9.4 release. Hehehe, mozilla really does suck. Eventually people will have to admit it and discard hope. Pretending mozilla doens't suck and will actually be good some day is about the same as the people still clinging to hope that their husband will be found alive in the world trade center rubble...it's ain't gonna happen, throw in the towel and get on with your life...
Netscape 6 has the best support for CSS of any commercial browser (only Mozilla, the open version of Netscape, has fewer bugs)
got drum'n'bass?
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Perhaps a multi-million dollar marketing blitz to get people to switch from that free browser to this free browser. Banners, billboards, posters, superbowl commercials!!!!!!
We'll figure out how to recoup the money later, first thing's first! Onward, into battle! Yee-ha!
Yes, your company is smart to consider PFL software (profit-free license).
1) You are stone blind.
2) You are so deeply zealoted that the standard rules of physics no longer apply.
3) You are flatly lying.
IE blows the doors off Mozilla in both areas you mentioned and any other report is patently false.
7 choices. You can't release it under no license. 2^3 - 1.
The first time I opened up my home page with Konqueror I laughed so hard. It looked like Konqueror just gave up and randomly drew stuff onto the screen. And this is supposed to be better than Mozilla? Try a few CSS-2 tricks with fixed positioning and see for yourself.
And does IE6 finally support fixed positioning yet?
So can we finally include mozilla source in our own projects?
If so, this makes things so much easier for all of us doing mozilla-based projects -- now, instead of saying "works with this nightly, get the devel headers from wherever you can find them, may not work with others" we can just package it all up in one. Ooooh, sweetness...
I think I'll go have a drink to celebrate!
Still not dead.
What are you a member of Osoma bin Stallmans cult. Face it mozilla is gay as hell and only getting fruitier by the release. Mozilla is a joke. Only zealots use it. Seriously what person is going to give up the power and speed of IE for some gay big bearded psychos dream for faggoty society of semen and source code sharing.
won't be long before we'll need how-to's just to explain the licences, and a moz-licence.bugzilla.org just to track them.
The adware version is.
Netscape 4.x: Not free, and buggy as hell
Well, yes it is free. I will admit, though, it is quite buggy.
I prefer Opera. It's fast, you can have as many windows as you want open, and switch between them quickly. Good multitasking. I also find the interface easier to use than Netscape.
Konquerer is good but it can't render some web pages.
Damnit, Jim, I'm an anarchist, not a F@#$!^& doctor!
Answer: Mozilla
Amen! I could not BELIEVE how fast 0.9.4 rendered pages. I've got the latest IE 6 and I thought the latency was network related - my friend - an MS freak, thought I was kidding when I told him Mozilla was rendering pages MUCH faster than IE 6 - he took control (Pent III 700MHz w/ 512MB RAM), browsed like crazy and had to admit it was true! Congrats to the Mozilla performance team!
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Ever notice if you put a turbin on alan cox he would look exactly like osoma bin laden?
He's not talking about free as in beer you cock goblin.
I loved what Opera did - it saves open windows so if there's a crash it can resume. How about the same ability to store form comments? (ie, autosave every minute, and upon submit)
If you're sick of waiting and still want Mozilla try MultiZilla, it's much faster than IE at everything (well - beginning ftp is a bit screwy).
All i know is pages are rendered instantaneously in IE, in mozilla they are not.
I'm the only IS person, and all of our computers have the very latest patches applied to all versions of IE. There was a test .eml file in the original discussion (I forget the link, look it up yourself) that was auto-opened by IE 5.0sp2 and IE5.5sp2, whereas Netscape 4.77 and Mozilla0.9.4 simply ignored the file as if it weren't there.
The record is clear on one thing: no operating system has ever come back from the grave. Efforts to resuscitate *BSD are one step away from spiritualists wishing to communicate with the dead. As the situation grows more desperate for the adherents of this doomed OS, the sorrow takes hold. An unremitting gloom hangs like a death shround over a once hopeful *BSD community. The hope is gone; a mournful nostalgia has settled in. Now is the end time for *BSD.
My problem is that as an employee of a software development company, any accidental of copyleft code into our copyright codebase would mean that our copyright is null and void.
When Mozilla copylefts SAMPLE code, the only way to avoid the risk to corporate intellectual property is to use cleanroom reverse engineering procedures.
This is quite expensive. Just use a BSD compatible license and you do the entire world a favor. If you want commercial software developers to be able to read and help you improve your code, give us a license that dosen't kill our employers.
Here are the minimum system requirements for running the Windows® 2000 Professional operating system.
a l/ evaluation/sysreqs/default.asp
Minimum Requirements:
* Computer/Processor 133 MHz or higher Pentium-compatible CPU (hmmm...that's not the same as a 486, is it, Sparky?)
* Memory 64 megabytes (MB) of RAM recommended minimum; more memory generally improves responsiveness (boy, that's for sure...)
* Hard Disk 2GB hard disk with a minimum of 650MB of free space (how many 486's even shipped with a hard drive at least 650mb, let alone with that much free space? Oh, that's right, THEY DIDN'T! HD's were limited to 528mb back then)
From:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/profession
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Sure, motherfucker, here it is! Enjoy?
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I don't know what kind of crack you're on, but I just did what you said: I typed in the above gibberish, hit Submit, then had to go Back because it was less than 20 seconds and everything was still there.
Not only are you a luser, a moron and a piss-poor Troll, you're a liar too.
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Wow so now mozilla supporters they not only lie about speed they also deny the existence of real bugs in attempt to make the object of their cult seem less shitty. See maybe you can lie to yourself about how great mozilla is, but everyone else with like, a life, doesn't give a rats tits about how evil microsoft is or how dick stallman declared a jihad on commerial software, they just want some shit that doesn't suck. Lying about it won't make it suck less, well maybe in your mind, but for everyone else it's still a buggy bloated peice of shit, which is evident if you look at mozillas laughable market share.
And this makes mozilla less bloated, buggy and beta how?
Yes, that is stuipid. They should just lower the taxes on aviation fuel (that they raised when airlines started making a lot of money back in the 80s but foolishly forget to use some of that profit as congressional campaign contributions).
What happens when someone takes their GPL copy and makes a bugfix or an enhancement? Does that force a code fork, or is there a mechanism to get the contribution into the other-licensed versions?
how the hell can you smoke a cock?
is it just more or did a censormaster, er, editor just remove a huge thread from this article?
... at this rate, pretty soon they're going to have to change their namesake to "Hydra".
spam, spam, spam, spam, e-mail, news and spam.
The sample code that comes with Microsoft Visual C++ is "Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation All rights reserved". How does your employer feel about that?
Old Mozilla
Under our reading of the GPL, it will not be possible to incorporate code covered by the GPL into the Communicator source code base. It is also not possible to use GPLed code and NPLed code together in a Larger Work. This is different for LGPL code. It is possible to create a larger work using LGPLed code that can then be used in conjunction with NPLed code through an API.
New Mozilla
After the NPL and MPL were created, the Free Software Foundation stated that the NPL and MPL were "incompatible" with the GPL. "Incompatibility" in this context means that (in the opinion of the FSF) developers who combined code licensed under the NPL (or MPL) with code licensed under the GPL and distributed the resulting work could not do such distribution without violating the terms of the GPL. Given that the LGPL contains similar language to the GPL, if the MPL were in fact incompatible in this way with the GPL, it would arguably be incompatible with the LGPL as well.
That's nice and all, but have you read the MPL?
(Section 3.7, for example.)
I actually had the pleasure of running Windows 2000 on a Pentium 133. It was fine -- well, no worse than NT4 anyway, and IE 5.0 was maybe a little snappier.
No way in hell would I run Mozilla on that box.
See, I tol' yoo yoo din' haf no steenkeen krahn djahb.
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It doesn't make it more of a technical success just because it's the best of the free, platform-indepent browsers. If Mozilla can't compete with non-free browsers, it's not a technical success.
Linux can claim/argue to be the best OS, free or not, so that's why it can be called a success.
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a 747 filled with CD-ROMs.
More stable that Opera maybe but not as fast. I use both Mozilla and Opera on my laptop, mostly Opera because of the speed. I go to Mozilla when some page doesn't work. Mozilla is pretty fast at rendering (Gecko) but still, Opera is faster in many case. There's no question that Mozilla's UI is slow, though much faster than it used to be.
On my 2x1 GHz/2 GB machine I only use Mozilla.
Life's a bitch but somebody's gotta do it.
They tell us that you can still use the code under the NPL, just as always. See the FAQ for some details; talk to your lawyer for legal advice.
The important point here is that Netscape thinks that you can indeed use their code to make proprietary applications. If your lawyer tells you that you can't, you should have him communicate his reasons to Netscape. I'm sure that they would appreciate the feedback.
I think that Netscape is being a good deal more generous than I would be with my code. As always, if you don't like the license, don't use the code, and don't release your code under a license you don't like.
Getting off topic now: By the way, for the folks who point to a BSD license as a cure-all, I have a question: is it true that BSD licensed code may be re-released under the GPL, just as it may be re-released under a closed-source license?
See what I've been reading.
> When Mozilla copylefts SAMPLE code
But it didn't. the code is still available under the MPL. The GPL is only an *option*. Please read the MPL 1.1. Thanks.
You call that to (quote)help you improve your code(unquote)?
Not going to start a war BSD vs GPL all over again, but it seems fair to me that if you want to use the work others have done, you contribute. BSD license does not provide that IMNSHO.
One shall speak only if what one has to say is more beautiful than silence
Maybe Mozilla render HTML and XML better than Konqueror, I don't know.
But also have in mind the number of developers contributing to Mozilla vs. Konqueror. And certainly the number of PAID developers on Mozilla vs. Konqueror...And how much venture capital is burried down in Mozilla vs. Konqueror?
Just questions...
I like to eat turds.
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Konq is a decent browser, but it has awful problems with tables from my experience. Example: it doesn't deal with the colspan, rowspan, and width attributes properly. I can give an example page to demonstrate it if anybody wants (send me an email).
I don't like trolls and mod against me if you like, but I'd prefer if you'd reply.
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a 747 filled with CD-ROMs.
Never underestimate the total energy of a fully-fueled 757 moving at top speed.
The shareholder is always right.
I thought it was just my imagination, or improved network throughput here at work. But it sounds like the performance improvements I noticed on 0.9.4 were real. I still think there are some serious improvements to be gained on the network side of things (vs the rendering), but 0.9.4 is definitely perceptibly faster than 0.9.3.
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Why is it I can write insightful comments but can't come up with a clever signature?
Well, this *could* have a logical explanation. Some geeks probably are like me: they read slashdot at work and at work IE is company policy. No choice possible.
My whole surfing needs (and those of my family) are covered with Netscape, but that is at home... I visit slashdot at home, but not as much as at work. So, from a statistical point of view I'll contribute to the IE part, but from a "choice" viewpoint I'm all Netscape.
Agreed on the "joe user" part: they use IE exclusively....but that's not out of choice, that's because "it comes with the computer".
I'm not a browser fanatic, not at all, and on my Linux machines I prefer Konqueror anyway.
Ahhh...the great dumpster continuum. Many a free computer will be found there. -- sowth (748135)
Galeon (a good streamlined GTK+-based browser that uses the mozilla engine) is becoming increasingly popular too...
If I understand LGPL, it is possible to relicence it (== use the code in) GPL, but not the other way arround. So why not just to use MPL/LGPL and simplify the situation?
Mozilla is much slower than Opera on my Sun Ultra 1. I don't expect that it will ever run at an acceptable speed on this hardware.
By the time this machine gets upgraded I imagine I will be so accustomed to using Opera that I won't give Mozilla a second thought.
At home on my K6-2/400 (Debian Potato) Opera is also much faster than Mozilla and the latest Technology Preview is a much more stable platform for Shockwave and Java plugins.
I'm no expert, but does this solve the licensing issues with libart?
If it does, that could mean native SVG support by 1.0 (the current implementation has licensing issues because of libart, if I am not mistaken). That would be a great thing for Mozilla.
... or at least the article said so.
Someone in the mozilla.license group explained it this way:
1. GPL coplefts an application.
2. LGPL copylefts a library.
3. MPL copylefts a file.
The distinction is merely how far the copyleft aspect of the licenses reached
First, free BSD-type licenses. Obviously using a completely free license like BSD would scare people off (see, look how everybody has stopped using Apache these days because it isn't GPL?).
And obviously, the huge number of developers makes the normal version of the second worthwhile license a little difficult to work with. I mean, how on earth are you meant to send beer to that many people? Fortunately, there is an alternative.
Probably the best license in the world.