What Computer Speakers Do You Use?
karnal asks: "Since we all listen to a lot of music (who doesn't), I wondered if anyone could help me on this. I've been looking to buy a new speaker system, after growing tired of my current setup. I've recently bought the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz and I'm looking for a good set of speakers. Should I go the 4.1 route? Personally, I think I'd be happy with 2.1. I'm looking for low noise, decent power, and excellent sound quality. I've looked at the VideoLogic Sirocco Crossfire, but at 449$ a set, I wouldn't want to be dissappointed. Anyone test any outstanding speakers lately?"
Holy cow, dude! I'm about to be laid off any day now and you still have the disposable income to toss an old speaker set that you are 'tired of'?
How I wish I were in your shoes.
Why use 'computer speakers' at all? If you're going to spend some cash, just get a Y-cable and hook your computer up to your stereo receiver's AUX input.
This is the best way (IMO) to get decent sound, and of course, this gives you things like radio, tape decks, equalizer and whatever else you want to add to it. Add a subwoofer to that. Heck - you can do surround sound if you want it (assuming your program supports it).
disclaimer: this is what I have done and it's worked well for me for years. When I heard the improvement for the first time, there was no going back. Thus - I have absolutely no idea how good today's higher-end computer speakers sound
You can accomplish anything you set your mind to. The impossible just takes a little longer.
$449 is a ridiculous amount of money to spend on tiny plastic speakers with 2inch woofers. IMO surround sound on a computer is kind of a waste of money - they're only good for games, and where would you mount the rear speakers? on stands? by your desk?
These are the only computer speakers I would recommend:
Swans M200 multimedia speakers for $300:
http://www.av123.com/divaproducts.html
These are real bookshelf speakers with 5" woofers and soft dome tweeter (easier on your ears). The frequency response is 55Hz-18kHz which means they have enough bass as to not require a bass module.
Another option that you should consider is getting a small stereo - non amplified speakers, and a small integrated amplifier or stereo reciever. This opens up a lot more possibilities.
I just retired a set of $20 computer speakers (i.e. the movers killed them) so I'm thinking of applying my own advice and getting some good new speakers for my computer.
My personal advice goes along these lines:
First, 4.1 speakers are only good for games and merely OK for DVDs. Eventually, DVD-Audio/SACD/something else will make 5.1 sound for the masses possible. Right now, unless you are going to be doing gaming, just get a 2.1 setup. 4.1 doesn't have the center channel required for a proper DVD movie experience.
Second, there are advantages to properly constructed computer speakers. Generally computer speakers won't mess with your monitor if they are placed right up against it. They also tend to be nice and compact.
Third, there are great price and performance advantages to using non-computer speakers. A good audio setup will be weighted with a flatter, more realistic frequency response and work especially well with music. And they are generally more boom-for-the-buck then the high-end computer speakers. You often-times get 5.1 out of them, instead of 4.1. This can be a good thing, especially if you can get everything to work together, because you can get the center channel along with the 4 corner speakers. You need at least three speakers in front of you, preferebly five, to be able to accurately position sounds.
Fourth, both cheap stereo equipment and most computer speakers are heavily tuned for specific sounds. They give you thudding bass sounds so that you feel like you are getting your money's worth, but, once you get past that, have a really crappy sound. And they'll say they have a 15Hz-30KHz or better frequency range, with 200 Watts of power, when you really are getting about 20-30 watts of power, with great response and clarity in the 15Hz-1KHz range, and muddy the rest of the way.
If you are really wanting to blow some money, go to a musical instrument store and pick up a set of studio monitors. You will pay $500-1500, or maybe even more, but they will have a crystal-clear, completely flat, frequency response across the entire audible range. In today's computer-centric studios, they even make shielded monitors that won't mess up your monitors.
Best bet, get a good quality walkman and a CD with some music you like. Then run it through the various speaker systems in the store. Your ears will tell you what you should purchase. If you can't tell the difference between an $80 set and a $120 set, get the $80 set. It's probably the only way to do things.
Gentoo Sucks
I have the creative soundworks 5.1 speakers with the dolby digital input, and they work amazingly well. Great for movies, games and music. In fact, I've got them plugged into my DVD player in the living room right now (until I fork over the cash for a stereo).
There's simply no excuse to use speakers that are just too small and constructed without sound quality in mind. Once you hook up your pc to a decent stereo set with good speakers you'll never want those so called multimedia speakers back.
(I myself use a 2x110W Sony amp with B&W DM601 speakers, really beats the crap out of a 'normal' setup!)
The price is almost too good to be true: you can find these for about $45 at PriceWatch and Shop.Yahoo by searching on "BA635". But these sure as hell don't sound like $45 speakers.
If you want good sound, and a versatile setup, get separate components. The downsides, are the wasted space, and complicated setup. And of course, the extra cost.
If you want to stand out, along with having great sound, flatpanels are the way to go.
http://www.monsoonpower.com/
Related note: these are also the speakers you'll find in Humvees.
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I have Klipsch Pro Medias and they are one of the best purchases I have ever made. They sound great, they look great, and they cost just slightly more than the creative/cambridge set with way more clarity and headroom for the money. Buy em, you won't be sorry.
I personally have no ear for quality of speakers...
:)
I can tell if they sound really crappy, but paying more than $10 filters out most of the really crappy speakers.
What I look for is everything is individually connected and disconnectable. Ideally speaker to speaker wires are disconnectable on both ends, at the least it should be disconnectable on both ends.
If I wanted good sound, I'd use digital out to a real speaker system, but i don't care
Need a Catering Connection
you need to have a sound card with digital out
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;-)
why ?
because of all the noise (electrickery noise) that your computer + monitor keyboard
then get yourself a decent amp with 5.1 out
why ?
a decent pre/power amp alows much more to be hooked up
I have a seperate DVD player and TV and I like digital radio and analoge tapes
so this way my needs all come out of the same high quality speakers (which tend to be quite cheap £ wise)
get yourself a good amp is my advice
they dont cost that much if you dont go for a sony (-;
look around their are bargins to be had
(the cost of valves is low so why not make your own
regards
john jones
I quit using speakers long ago. I still have them, but 99% of the time I wear high-quality, comfortable headphones. Why? I live in an apartment, so I can't run speakers loud enough to satisfy me without pissing off the neighbors. But neighbors aside, I might wear them anyway while playing 3D games. You can hear little things so much better, and it's easier for me to tell the direction of a sound. YMMV.
Stupider like a fox! - H.S.
I'm personally quite fond of the Klipsch ProMedia speakers. They have 2.1, 4.1 and 5.1 sets. Plus the speakers and amplifier are THX-certified. Which, in most peoples' opinions, is complete overkill for PC audio, but who says overkill is a bad thing? :)
http://www.klipsch.com/products/promedia/ for the ProMedia product line.
On my computer, for both listening to music and other such things I used to have a set of relitvly cheap speakers.. to be honest they sucked.
So, I went out and bought myself a pair of sennheiser headphones.
Let me assure you, these things rock. If you get a descent model (i've got the HD200) the sound is awsome, and you dont disturb anyone else around you.
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I have 4 Studio monitors on stands behind my desk driven by a pair of crown studio amps which is connected to my mackie mixer and then the PC. I set the speakers on dynamat and I have 4 sonex panels on the walls to remove reflexions.
That is what I consider a bare minimum for acceptable audio, but It'll cost you $3200.00.
Do this if you are mixing music and/or doing non-linear video editing and audio work. Buying that so you can play Quake III or listen to limp Bizzzkit is completely insane. If you want decent quality buy a small amp and some decent speakers. Bose 301's or 201's sound very nice. and you can get a small 50 watt crown amp for around $450.00 including a pair of 201's this would be acceptable audio for home use but still way too much overkill for usual computer use.
As for a subwoofer, a decent speaker system has no need for a subwoofer and they are only used for special effects or to make up for a crappy stereo system.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Nah, don't go for bose, look elsewhere, they are overpriced and underperforming (you might as well get a multimedia speaker setup than bose).
Audiophile 24/96 sound card -> ART DI/O digital analog convertor -> NAD C340 integrated amplifier -> Axiom Millenia M3Ti...
Cost you over $1000 though but will whomp ANY multimedia speaker in existence.
Also try the Acoustic Energy Aegios 1 (sp?), they are by far the BEST multimedia speakers available.
Headroom
I have about $1000 worth in headphone gear so I'm qualified
I've heard great things about the Klipsch Promedia 2.1's.
I'm just trying to get them to Toronto, Canada. It seems klipsch.com only ships to the states, and all the regular sites (e.g. outpost.com) say "not for export". Also, I can't find a local dealer here. Anybody have any leads on these things in Toronto?
Klipsch is all hype -- even more hype than the pathetic Bose speakers. (Bose: We Look Cool, So We Don't Have to Sound Good.) Bose, the Italian automobile of the audio industry.
The frequency response from a horn is ragged, and Klipsch tries to make their use of a horn into something virtuous. There are certain frequencies that are easy to produce (and match the natural harmonic of the horn), and others that are almost impossible to produce. Anyone who has heard a bugle or trumpet play knows that it produces certain pitches, and refuses to play others.
Why then would you want a speaker that over-amplifies some sounds, and hides other sounds? Horn speakers are great for "shit sound is OK" situations like public address systems, stadium sound, and air raid sirens.
For situations where you actually want good audio, avoid Klipsch. If you want loud sound, buy something cheaper.
I'm using a 1975 Harmon-Kardon receiver which was once sitting outside on someone's porch. It's not the loudest thing ever, but it makes my Boston Acoustics bookshelf speakers (made well before they got into the "computer speaker" business) sound sweet.
Options... A man's gotta have options always...
i used to use a 2.1 altec lansing set, which were very good. then i bought a Zen Triode amp (http://www.decware.com/zpage1.htm) and a pair of Celestion bookshelf speakers - my god. better surround sound out of 2 speakers and a sub (home-built, 10") than with any 4.1 pc speakers i've ever heard. costs a bit more (cause it's a damn good amp), but as long as you've got a pair of good speakers (like 92db sensitivity at least), you'll be laughing :)
Dammit, I meant to post that anonymously!
I too have the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz sound card. Right now, i have on front and back Cambridge Soundworks FPS1800. They are actually quite nice. Hooked up to the versajack, I have an amp running two 8"s in a box and for sub, two 12"s in a bandpass filter box. Yes, the center and sub are made for cars stereo systems, but I pimp out my computer, not my car.
The FPS1800 gives good sound all around. My 12's give a nice bass thump, and the 8's make for a good center (although I had to put them behind me.....) Oh well, you can only do so much in a dorm room.
Just bought a set of those today. Not earth-shattering, a simple subwoofer and 4 satellites, analog input only, but sound quality is excellent.
Unless you are a real audiophile, this might just be a set worth looking into. It cost me only HFL 399,- (somewhere between $175,- and $200,-), and it is definitely worth it. Here is the link in case you're curious: A.3500 Speaker Set. They also have more upmarket stuff using the same technology.
Hope this helps,
Mart"I know I will be modded down for this": where's the option '-1, Asking for it'?
www.crutchfield.com has a decent quality rep for this kind of thing.
Where do you want to be, What are you doing to get there.
First of all good call on the Santa Cruz, it's a really decent part; It costs much, sounds fantastic and it takes up far less resources on Windows boxes (lay off you bastards, I like ALL the games).
I just built another game box using the SC and pulled myCambridge Soundworks DTT3500s (5.1 digital) off the other box that was using the SoundBlaster Live! Platinum. Even without the optical out the versa jack/din digital worked great and really sounds magnificent. I would hazard to say that the DTT3500s sound better for music and games on the Turtle beach part then did on Creative Labs part.
Now the other part of the story... so since Klipsch is releasing 500watt ProMedia 5.1s, the 400 watt 4.1 version is much cheaper, so I lit out to BestBuy (of all freaking places) and picked up a set. The Klipsch ProMedia 4.1s are the best speakers I have ever heard for the money. Yeah, you can get some Polk Audios or B&Ws or whatever and spend $600 per speaker and have sound engineers come over and dance a little audio geek dance or whatever...
But I am telling you this; find a store that has a good return policy on Klipsch ProMedia 4.1, after listening to them you will not be taking them back. Or you could wait and check into the ProMedia 5.1s that, from what I understand, take the product to an entirely higher stratum.
Altec Lansing AVS300 Multimedia
seem to be the best for budget speakers I plan on buying 15 sets of them for a cyber/gaming cafe I plan on opening in Japan. Incidently I need 5000 more dollars anyone want to send me a check?
I have a sb16 (I know, I know) attached to a ancient Zenith AMp. The Amp is attached to 6 sets of speakers. Front, back, and two channels above me. The amp is so powerful, half volume shakes the house.
I have my aiwa mini system connected to my computer...It's one of those combo cd cassette radio tuner with 2 speakers...the old ones..from about 94 when mini systems didn't suck like all the shiny light show crap going on....
:)
also in my plans is to hook up a crossover and a pair of 12 inch subs to my system so i can make DVD watching much more fun
if your just needing some decent speakers...i recommend the Harmon/Kardon's that come with dells...they sound good for their small size...
Kenny Sabarese
www.kennysabarese.com
I'm currently on my second set of Siroccos (the first set got dropped down the stairs, they're not unreliable), and I have to say that they're excellent with a capital EXCELLENT - I don't spend that much money twice on a marginal product!
Sure they're expensive, but if you're really interested in getting quality sound (not "killer bass") out of your computer you can't go wrong with them.
For sound quality I'd reccomend the 2.1 siroccos over the crossfires since they're bi-amped and bi-wired. It's the 2.1s that I have, although my DTS surround system (VideoLogic Digitheatre DTS) is based on the sirocco crossfire speakers and sounds pretty good.
They (obviously) don't sound as good as serious HiFi kit, but I for one don't have room for my HiFi in the study, and the audio outputs (even with the fantastic Santa-Cruz, or Sonic Fury as it's called here in the UK) on a computer aren't up to it anyway.
To wrap up : the 2.1 Siroccos are absolutely the best multimedia speakers I've encountered, with sound quality more comparable to my $1000 (arcam/denon/technics/AE) HiFi system than to other multimedia speakers. The frequency response is great, the volume certainly fills my study and the musicality blows me away every time I listen.
But you do pay for the privilage.
I have never understood why people spend a fortune on computer speakers -- they all sound so awful.
Blow the money on a stereo and one of those Y-cables (3.5mm stereo plug to 2 RCA connectors).
For the same money, you get something that was designed to sound one heck of a lot better.
Heck, even those cheapass bookshelf systems sound better. Plus you get a tuner, cd player, tape player, whatever...
...you're going to hook these up to your computer and play .mp3 or .ogg on them, right?
If so, WHY BOTHER with getting $500 worth of speakers? You're sacrificing sound quality right there with the media you have chosen, so why get some outrageously expensive computer speakers or even worse, a dedicated amp/component stereo system?
Just head down to your local computer store, try out a few 'good' speaker systems, and buy what you can afford. My Altec-Lansing ACS54's have worked fine for me.
der dee der.
I've been using my home stereo amp for my computer for years. I tried some of the speakers that have come with computers I've bought, and they've all sucked. Period. I don't care how expensive they've been (I've tried some 'good' ones), or whether or not they have an amplified subwoofer, they have all sucked. I honestly don't know why people use these things. I haven't come across a single set that sounded anythign remotely like my home stereo, or even a cheap set of headphones.
I've got Cambridge SoundWorks/Creative Labs' FPS2000 speakers. They're really great, I'm very happy with the sound quality in all of the games I play. They're 4.1, and the satellites mount easily on the wall, and come with cheap-o stands (only two, presumably for the rears) if you're too lazy to mount 'em. They work great with digital out (and even better if it weren't for Creative's issues with Via chipsets. CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS WASN'T FIXED FOR THE AUDIGY!?) I can't report on DVD sound quality, as I use independent home stereo equipment for that stuff (not to mention my lame-o SBLive Value doesn't have a digital input).
Try iZotope, a WinAmp plug in. It will take your speakers to places your sound card is not allowed to go.
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After reading the responses, I went back and read again the question. Your focus is music and it seems that you're wanting to generate a near-field sound. If you have uncompromising space constraints, top quality headphones will be the way to go. There are two basic types, open (where the earpiece is set in an open foam and lets in room sounds as well... but your hand must not get too heavy on the throttles!), or closed (where the earpiece is a padded affair which seals completely around the ear). Any top brand that sounds good to you will do. I'd buy it new.
If you insist on top notch sound but don't want headphones, then you'll need to get a quality external amplifier and monitor speakers. Previous writers have mentioned NAD and Crown amps. I've used these brands and there are others which are good too. From the price range you mention, I don't think there's any danger of you falling into the clutches of the tube-snobs. Any good quality solid state amp of adequate power will do. Speaking of power, inefficient personal equipment rated at 500 watts is silly puffery. Up close and personal, one (1) watt of radiated power is LOUD. My first career was in music and early on I formed a preference for the efficiency and response of JBL speakers. Used (not abused) equipment will be fine here, and save you a bundle.
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I recently got a set of Harmon-kardon speakers and was wondering if maybe someone could tell me HOW to set them up instead of what to buy? Like ... speaker placement, subwoofer placement for the best sound in my carpeted, wood-paneled room?
Any thoughts?
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I don't work for any of those outfits, but thanks to a Scottish heritage, I do enjoy a good buy.
Good luck on your shopping and let us know what you finally get.
...go with Klipsh Promedia 5.1 speakers. If you're an audiophile, these things will satisfy any need you could want: music, games, DVDs, or anything else.
With a 113dB max volume, these things can crank up to the volume of a jet taking off next to your house. It has an incredible 25Hz-20kHz frequency response and sounds absolutely beautiful. Once again, if you have the money, these are the absolute best you can buy. Nothing else comes close, and at $399.00, it has a fairly low price tag for what you get.
No comment.
$300 a pair, quite excellent nearfield monitors... I'm so happy with them that I'm considering buying 4 more for my living room.
http://www.tannoy.com/product.cfm?D=2&ID=47
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I use a hand-me-down subwoofer for an amplifier. I took apart my boombox (the CD player broke) and connected the speakers to the sub, since the speakers that came with the sub were trash . . .
Got two 6" Bose and two Yamaha studio monitors. A friend gave me a no name subwoofer. It makes the hair on my legs tingle. This is run through my wife's stage amp and mixer. UUURRRGGGHHH
My friend has the Harmon Kardon sound sticks and subwoofer for his iMac. The sound very good. But my set up will kill small animals at 50 yards.
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