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Talking Palm

Isotopia writes: "This article from the NY Times is very cool. It's about this guy from IBM who was able to put voice recognition on his Palm III and it talks to him! It can remind him about meetings and it will tell him when his battery is getting low." I bet if you used this much, it would tell you how low the battery is -- frequently. That aside, it's amazing that IBM has been able to squeeze this onto a Palm.

86 comments

  1. Windows Ce by JohnHegarty · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I take it simular would be possible on Windows CE.

    Also could this be used as a controler for a voice controled x11 system ?

  2. More annoying technology... by Psarchasm · · Score: 4, Funny

    Not that I am a huge fan of meetings or anything, but the last thing I want is more annoying handheld technology showing up in meetings.

    *pager*
    *cellfone*
    *palm*


    And now a frigging TALKING PALM? Then again...

    Eliza + Talking Palm + Male Real Doll = no more meetings ever. Hmm....

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    1. Re:More annoying technology... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
      And now a frigging TALKING PALM? Then again...

      This could revolutionize my personal life!

      Um, er *Cough*

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    2. Re:More annoying technology... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now you can literally "talk to the hand"...

  3. this is what a palm really needs by kochsr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    this is what has been standing in the way of handheld devices. you need to be able to say, "New apointment with whoever, whenever" and it needs to be able to accurately record that. I could care less about it talking back to you... but the input is what is important IMHO

    1. Re:this is what a palm really needs by Aldreis · · Score: 1

      you need to be able to say, "New apointment with whoever, whenever" and it needs to be able to accurately record that.

      No need to wait. :-)
      That's what a Palm add-on, called GoVox, does... 99 messages or 8 minutes of total record time.

    2. Re:this is what a palm really needs by yesthatguy · · Score: 1

      But what we need to be able to do, is say "New appointment..." or "To Do - Get groceries" and have the palm interpret the voice, and stick that into its datebook, rather than just recording and playing back audio.

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    3. Re:this is what a palm really needs by SCHecklerX · · Score: 2

      That's not what the original poster was talking about at all.

      What he (and I) want is the ability to speak text into the palm. And IBM is certainly the company to make it happen. OS/2 had integrated voicenav long ago.

  4. haha talk to the hand by digitalsushi · · Score: 5, Funny

    talk to the hand cause the palm aint liss'ning. oh wait, yeah it is. hey palm, wassup G

    yo my battery is audi 5000 aight peace out

    lates, palm

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    1. Re:haha talk to the hand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      haha ;-)

    2. Re:haha talk to the hand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please lick my asshole.

  5. hmm by hahnar2k · · Score: 1

    I say a couple months before Microsoft makes this for pocket pc's and hypes it up and takes credit of being "innovative".

    1. Re:hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, Microsoft Research had a much sexier prototype as much as a year ago! You can say things like, "Schedule an appointment with RMS next Thursday" and have the correct thing happen.

      http://research.microsoft.com/srg/mipad.asp

    2. Re:hmm by [Entropy] · · Score: 1

      Pulled from the web page in your comment:
      In addition, the MiPad continuous speech recognition and spoken language functions are performed on a Windows 2000 server through a wireless LAN connection, but will eventually use a cellular modem.

      Microsoft's device was off-loading the speech tasks to a more powerful PC nearby; the palm does it all itself.

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    3. Re:hmm by pa-guy · · Score: 0
      Schedule an appointment with RMS next Thursday

      This begs the question, Why would you want an appointment with RMS?

  6. Not to rain on anyone's parade... by CropCircles · · Score: 2, Interesting

    but does it really talk back or just plays a chime (human voice, pre-recorded) when certain system conditions are triggered off. Let's not get too excited ;-) though "talking computers" are going to be the next big thing in user interface...hrm...two years ago we heard a lot about MSFT doing work on voice regonition and such....what's happening on that front?

    1. Re:Not to rain on anyone's parade... by motherhead · · Score: 2

      Actually I was thinking along similar lines, how they hell can they get that antiquated Motorola 680x to even run the app in "demo" mode amazed me.

      I love palms, I have three, but unfortunately I am setting my sites on an iPaq. I hate WinCE as much as the next guy, but I will take the technology and the functionality of the new generation of PocketPC devices over anything PalmOS gewgaws are demonstrating.

      But man can you imagine the possibilities something like this would be the vision impaired?

    2. Re:Not to rain on anyone's parade... by commanderfoxtrot · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A proper voice recognition system should be able to understand any words in the English language... the chances are this system is simply used to control a few Palm commands and therefore the incoming speech patterns only need to be compared to a few stored patterns. Then a system of pre-synthesising the outgoing speech would reduce further the demands on the CPU but use more disk. I have my Pentium 75 talking to me using the University of Edinburgh's Festival system on Linux by pre-synthesising the most important words.

      By the way, the festival system is excellent and takes under ten minutes to download, compile and install!

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    3. Re:Not to rain on anyone's parade... by Dr.+Manhattan · · Score: 1
      A proper voice recognition system should be able to understand any words in the English language.

      Can't be done with any computer today, and certainly not on a Palm. Human language depends too much on context and general background knowledge. There's a (possibly apocryphal) story about how the speech recognition group at Microsoft is nicknamed the "wreck a nice beach" group. Say it out loud fast to understand why.

      Picking out individual words in speech streams is hard. When you know a language it sounds to you like there are distinct gaps between words, but if you look on an oscilloscope, there aren't any. Think about times you've heard people speaking a language you didn't understand... it all sounded like a continuous stream, didn't it? You couldn't pick out any individual words, right? Even humans need training and context to understand speech, and even humans get it wrong sometimes. As I said, no computer today has the necessary processing power and knowledge to do so.

      On the other hand, in limited domains (e.g. words specified in advance, and/or voice specified in advance), quite a bit can be done. I can see how for the limited set of tasks a Palm is typically called on to perform, it might be effective. But I noted in the article that they had to add a co-processor. No 16-MHz Motorola 68000 has a chance in hell of running any useful speech recognition program.

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    4. Re:Not to rain on anyone's parade... by divbyzero · · Score: 1

      Actually, speech synthesis (not recognition) doesn't require much processing power at all. My old Commodore 64 which had a slower processor and less memory than a Palm ran synthesis packages like "Sam Sayit" just fine. (I'm not sure of the exact history, but I believe Sayit was very similar in design to the traditional Unix speech synthesizer "Rsynth", which is available for Linux if you'd like to try it.) This was real formant synthesis, not playback of prerecorded soundbites.

      Speech recognition is a much harder and computation intensive problem. Doing that on a Palm is the impressive feat.

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  7. damnit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    This is annoying, I don't have an account with the nytimes and people who post these threads never seem to give us a link that works without an nytimes login. I seem to recall something like 'archives' in the url to get around this. Is this possible, and if so, can you people please start linking in this fashion to this news source.

    thank you.

    1. Re:damnit by spike666 · · Score: 1

      nytimes killed that access. those bastards!

    2. Re:damnit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just signup for an account, it's free...

  8. Better Uses by under_score · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Personally, I think this sort of tech is better used in cell phones. A device which already has a decent text input system is probably only made more clumsy by including speech recognition and text to speech capabilities. Why? Because it "requires" switching modes of interfacing with the device which is something humans don't tend to like. Rather, most people will choose one mode and stick with it. And, be honest now, you can guess which mode that will be: stylus or keyboard. On the other hand, in cell phones, the vastly predominant mode is already voice and hearing oriented. It would be really nice to be able to get rid of the keypad (or at least severly reduce its usage). Other reasons cell phones are a better place for this tech: when you listen to a cell phone, what you hear is private. Cellphones cannot speak at you: they ring first. Two different rings would be sufficient to distinguish between a person call and the cell phone telling you something.

    1. Re:Better Uses by jx100 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think it's better when there is more than one way of doing things. It means that the user can pick and choose the best way to do something. For example: mouse gestures. Some people might like them because they are very fast and don't require you to move the mouse very far. Then again, some people might like context menus better. You don't always have to switch back and forth between modes, you just stick to what works for you. And what works for you migh not work as well for someone else.

    2. Re:Better Uses by tshak · · Score: 2

      True, cell phones need this too. But Palm's need it as well. Try writing an email by hand on a piece of paper, then try writing on the palm... it will take you 2-3x longer on the palm. I'd much rather speak it (assuming I'm in my office and not bothering everyone around me).

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    3. Re:Better Uses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this guy has a point ,trying to use a mbile keypad to SMS is the nightmare of the mobile phone , the size of the button's ,the fact that the damned things try to spell the words for you , etc.If you could use voice rec. to dictate an SMS you could really reduce "thumb time"

  9. Palm m100 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Man I wish I could get this for my m100. It is not that different from the palm III so I don't see why not.

  10. Re:My palm already talks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Palm : "It puts the lotion on!"

    Palm : "YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT PAIN IS LADY!!"

  11. Erm... by c_g_hills · · Score: 0

    Don't you mean voice synthesis, not voice recognition?

  12. AFAIK... by pigeonhk · · Score: 1

    AFAIK there are similiar stuffs that will run on linux and someone is running that on the ipaq too. And hence you can run it on any linux devices I guess.

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  13. Intigration by part!cle · · Score: 0

    This technology would be great for the time when hand helds are intigrated with cell phones. I mean come on, who wants to carry around cd players and cell phones and palms when..aw forget it this post is a peice of crap.

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  14. voice rec? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    how does making a palm speak to you voice recognition? I always thought hte ability to understand what a human is saying to it was voice rec? are we fudging terms again? If we keep on like this, the english language will consist of one word.... muh

    Muh muh, muh muh muh muh muh. Muh muh muh muh muh muh, muh, muh muh.

    muh muh

    -muh

  15. Pocket PCs can already do this by Jenova_Six · · Score: 5, Informative
    I have a new HP Jornada 567 (Pocket PC 2002), and one of the applications that comes with it is Mobile Conversay (www.conversay.com). It allows me to talk to my Jornada, and allows it to respond in a computerized voice. I can make inquiries (what time is it? how much battery is left?) and it will speak the response. I can tell it to launch or close any program I have installed. It also comes with Voice Calendar, which allows the Jornada to navigate my calendar and read my appointments to me. Very cool. There are other modules in the works, like Voice Tasks, Voice Contacts, and Voice Notes that should be available for download soon.Overall, it works pretty well.



    IBM Via Voice is supposed to have similar software bundled with the new Ipaq 3700 and 3800 series, but since those won't ship until November, I haven't had a chance to play with it.



    Also, there has been a voice-controlled Contacts lookup program on the Pocket PC for a while (too lazy to look up the link), as well as software that will read the time to you at regular intervals and when you turn the device on (TimeTalk).



    I'm not trying to discount what's being done here on Palm (in fact, it's amazing they got it to work given the anemic processing power in Palms), but I wanted to mention that a lot of this functionality is available on Pocket PCs here and now.



    Jenova_Six

    1. Re:Pocket PCs can already do this by Spriggig · · Score: 1

      Cool, I think. The question is, Do you use it consistantly? Is it so reliable and transparent that you prefer it to the stylus? Do you feel silly talking to a computer? (I do, I've even been a trekkie since forever, I can still can't get used to the idea.)

  16. Saw this recently. by imadork · · Score: 2
    I attended a conference that IBM was at, and saw their software running on a WinCE palmtop. It's essentially the same engine as their ViaVoice engine, just stripped down a bit.
    They said that to get it to work on a Palm, they essentially built a small voice-recognition computer into an add-on module and interfaced it with the Palm though the serial port. I'm not sure if that's what they're talking about in this article. In theory, this little doohicky can run alongside any computer with a communications port, big or little.

    The ViaVoice people had a Linux desktop running the software also, and IBM also had rack-mount Linux servers on display. They even gave out neat Penguin lapel pins!

  17. Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a Beowulf cluster of these....

  18. Dying Battery Warning? by LeonPierre · · Score: 1

    I can just imagine my Palm talking to me now:

    "Warning, battery life is a 1 perceeeent"

    Thus, I now know for sure that my Palm has died by its own use and was kind enough to let me know about it.

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  19. don't you think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't you think this is going to get a lot more people saying "Talk to the palm, cause the ear's don't care." ?

  20. how sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...that it was already available for pocket pc's, and you think it's innovative on palm

  21. Can you imagine by MrPotatoeHead · · Score: 1

    how this will affect one's surfing for porn?

    will it announce out loud how little she's wearing? :)

  22. X11? Ha! How about X10? by abe+ferlman · · Score: 3, Funny

    screw X11, think of the marketing opportunities for X10!

    It could be worked in submliminally, like this:

    "time for meeting [buy an X10-cam] with your boss"

    "loading zap!2000 [buy 2000 X10s put them everywhere]"

    "time for kinky [tape your babysitter] sex with your [keep an eye on her] mistress at the Ritz"

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  23. They used additional hardware by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Insightful
    That aside, it's amazing that IBM has been able to squeeze this onto a Palm.

    They didn't. They made the palm bigger by adding at least a mic, speaker, and an additional processor to it. The first two are par for this course, though the handspring visor at least has a mic built in. The third makes this into a pretty basic accomplishment for someone with IBM's resources, especially if that CPU has more RAM attached to it, or embedded in it.

    All I really want is a speech recognition module for visor. I don't want my palm to talk to me, one of the nice things about a handheld is that only I can tell what's going on on it. The visor already has a mic built in, so now I just need the speech recognition hardware/software in a handspring module.

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    1. Re:They used additional hardware by evil_one · · Score: 3, Informative

      How do you know that this was done using IBM's vast resources? All accounts have this as "a guy" from IBM.

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    2. Re:They used additional hardware by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
      How do you know that this was done using IBM's vast resources? All accounts have this as "a guy" from IBM.

      Well, this is how I know: (from the article)

      Mr. Comerford is not losing his mind. His organizer can actually recognize his speech in addition to uttering sentences itself. It is one of nearly 100 Palm organizers that I.B.M. ( news/quote) Research has reconfigured in an attempt to create a speech system small enough to reside on a hand-held computer.

      I know because I read the article. Whoever modded you up obviously didn't.

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  24. Take it one step further by ZaneMcAuley · · Score: 0

    Add some medical or scientific analysis hardware and software and u have a tricorder :D

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  25. PUB NIEUWSBRIEF 22 (LONDO MOLLARI) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PANDORA USER BASE
    NIEUWSBRIEF 22
    http://pub.telenet.be
    11-10-2001

    Aanwezig:

    voor Telenet:

    dhr. Paul Van Cotthem, dir. marketing
    dhr. Piet Spiessens, dir. technische diensten (*)
    dhr. Christophe Colle, verantwoordelijke serverbeheer (*)
    dhr. Jos Van Haegenborgh, internet service centre manager
    mevr. Kris Naessens, PR manager, communicatie

    Voor PUB:

    dhr. Philip Paeps, bestuurslid (*)
    dhr. Marcel Vander Mierde, bestuurslid
    dhr. Nic Mertens, bestuurslid
    dhr. Leon Volders, bestuurslid (*)
    dhr. Tom De Voeght, bestuurslid (*)

    De vergadering begint te 11.00 u

    (*) ook aanwezig op de technische vergadering

    SAMENVATTING

    De vergadering bestond uit twee gedeelten: een
    technische voorvergadering en de uiteindelijke meeting.

    In de voorvergadering werd het gebruik van de Hephaestos-server besproken.
    Telenet geeft PUB de beschikking over SMTP, zodat zij hun onderlinge
    correspondentie beter kunnen afstemmen. Verder wordt onderzocht of PUB toegang
    kan krijgen tot het Telenet serverpark om een uitgebreide statuspagina te
    ontwikkelen. Tenslotte werd nagegaan of de nieuwsgroep pandora.pub ook op de
    website kan worden geplaatst (in read-only). Telenet houdt beide laatste vragen
    in beraad.

    Tijdens de eigenlijke meeting werd vooreerst het probleem van de trage snelheden
    aangekaart. Hiervoor is moeilijk een objectivering te vinden. Wel wordt
    onderzocht of er enkele technische problemen zouden zijn op het vlak van de
    peering connections; en de nieuwe Juniper routers zijn nog niet geheel
    aangepast. Daarnaast zijn er een reeks situationele problemen. Er wordt
    benadrukt dat er géén bandbreedte problemen zijn: in feite is de verhouding
    bandbreedte/klant nooit zo hoog geweest en werden de voorziene budgetten zelfs
    overschreden.

    De ontdubbeling van de newsservers is een feit. Volgende week (week 15/10)
    zouden ze functioneel moeten zijn. De binary-server zal 'newsbin.telenet.be'
    heten. De vroegere 'news.pandora.be' server zal alleen nog tekstgroepen voeren.
    In plaats van de verwachte 4, zullen er nu 5 machines worden ingezet.

    De nieuwe EuroDOCSIS modems komen op de plaatsen waar nieuwe capaciteit wordt
    ingevoerd. Zij hebben een reeks voordelen, voornamelijk op het vlak van de
    standaardisatie en de functionaliteit.

    Telenet vraagt aan PUB om mee te denken over methodes om de belastingpieken (in
    de avond; bij begin en einde van de maand) in het dataverkeer weg te werken.
    Hiertoe
    worden een reeks denksporen gevolgd. Enkele hiervan zullen hun weg vinden naar
    het enquêteformulier op de website van PUB.

    Het modulaire abonnement wordt verwacht in het eerste kwartaal van 2002. Er
    wordt momenteel marktonderzoek gedaan naar de meest aangewezen implementatie
    hiervan. Telenet vraagt aan PUB om hieraan mee te werken, via ledenbevraging.

    De medewerkerdag zal nog dit jaar plaatsvinden, meest waarschijnlijk in het
    auditorium van Technopolis. Telenet wil dit initiatief steunen met een mate van
    sponsoring.

    De data voor de bedrijfsrondleiding liggen intussen vast. Wie zich als
    geïnteresseerde opgaf ontvangt nog een e-mail om de details te regelen.

    Nagepraat werd ook rond het 0900-nummer, aan de hand van een casestudy. Het
    blijkt dat deze zaak nog niet helemaal rond is, maar de formule is nog steeds in
    evolutie en wordt telkens meer verfijnd.

    Telenet zal een bijdrage leveren aan de ledenwervingscampagne van PUB, door een
    melding van de gebruikersgroep te maken in zijn welkomstbrief in het nieuwe
    pakket "Telenet in een doos", en ook op de vernieuwde portal zou een vermelding
    komen.

    AGENDA
    1. Voorafgaande opmerking
    Omwille van de techniciteit van de behandelde onderwerpen werd de vergadering in
    twee delen opgesplitst. Het eerste deel gaat over de PUB-server, het tweede
    gedeelte behelst de eigenlijke meeting tussen PUB en Telenet.

    Technische vergadering: de Hephaestos-server

    2. Het poortgebruik
    De informatieuitwisseling tussen de PUB-bestuursleden onderling loopt via een
    database-systeem. Om de goede coördinatie te verzekeren, zou het bestuur moeten
    beschikken over SMTP-mogelijkheden, zodat zij naar behoefte scriptjes kunnen
    maken om de administratie te vergemakkelijken.

    PUB vroeg dus om inkomend en uitgaand poort 25 open te zetten, zodat het bestuur
    dan kan beschikken over extra mogelijkheden om bijuvoorbeeld de binnenkomende
    e-mails voor PUB te verdelen en af te handelen.
    Telenet was eerst niet geneigd hierop in te gaan en stelde diverse andere
    oplossingen voor, maar uiteindelijk werd toch toegezegd dat de PUB server eigen
    mail kan ontvangen op het domein pub.telenet.be. Vanop het Internet echter zal
    de server niet rechtstreeks bereikbaar zijn voor mail, maar dat is voor het
    PUB-bestuur geen enkel probleem, daar binnenkomende mail altijd al via Telenet
    moest rondgaan. De gekozen technische tussenweg (een MX-server van Telenet
    levert af) was uiteindelijk voor beide partijen een aanvaardbaar compromis. Aan
    het gebruik hiervan worden echter een reeks voorwaarden verbonden.

    Daarnaast wil PUB via de server ook een eigen statuspagina draaien, maar omwille
    van de nogal rigoureuze beperkingen die Telenet aan de server heeft opgelegd
    betreffende ingaand en uitgaand verkeer is dit momenteel helaas niet mogelijk.
    Telenet heeft begrip voor deze situatie, en beloofde intern te onderzoeken of
    het mogelijk is dat de PUB-server dezelfde toegangen krijgt tot het
    Telenet-serverpark zodat dit soort services mogelijk wordt. Indien Telenet niet
    op deze vraag wil ingaan zal PUB slechts een beperkte statuspagina kunnen
    opstarten. Wordt vervolgd dus.

    Als laatste vroeg PUB ook toestemming om de eigen nieuwsgroep news:pandora.pub
    via de website leesbaar te stellen voor haar leden en sympathisanten. Ook deze
    vraag kon niet onmiddellijk positief beantwoord worden door Telenet, omdat zij
    vrezen voor misbruik. PUB wil echter niet al zijn leden verplichten op met de
    vaak nogal gebruiksonvriendelijk nieuwssoftware te werken, en het forum via de
    site aanbieden. Bovendien volgt slechts een klein gedeelte van onze
    mandaatgevers de nieuwsgroepen. Telenet beloofde uiteindelijk ook hierover de
    discussie intern te openen.

    3. Contractuele bepalingen
    De overeenkomst betreffende de server wordt aangevuld met enkele bepalingen. Zo
    zal de server uitsluitend mogen gebruikt worden door de PUB-bestuurders en
    enkele medewerkers die er toegang moeten toe hebben (maximaal 10). Verder mogen
    mass mailings alleen in de off-peak uren worden verzonden. Deze regels worden
    ook bindend gemaakt voor toekomstige bestuursleden.

    Dit deel van de vergadering wordt gesloten te 12 uur.

    MEETING PUB-TELENET

    1. De algemene lage doorvoersnelheden en latentietijden

    De recente traagheidsproblemen kunnen door Telenet niet volledig worden
    geobjectiveerd. Telenet stelt dat op de zeer snelle groei werd geanticipeerd, en
    dat dus voldoende bandbreedte aanwezig is. In feite is de verhouding
    bandbreedte/klant nooit zo hoog geweest als nu. Het budget dat hiervoor was
    uitgetrokken is zelfs overschreden.

    Ook zou de helpdesk zeer weinig klachten hieromtrent hebben ontvangen. Telenet
    wijst erop dat de traagheid op het ogenblik een algemeen verschijnsel lijkt te
    zijn: ook op be.providers lopen de discussies momenteel over de traagheid van
    ADSL-verbindingen.

    Dit neemt niet weg dat er wel degelijk ernstige problemen zijn en dat het
    ongenoegen bij de gebruikers groot is - zoals bijvoorbeeld blijkt uit postings
    op de pandora-nieuwsgroepen.

    Er zijn enkele technische verklaringsgronden, naast enkele situationele.

    Mogelijk staat de private peeringconnectie met UUNET onder druk; dit wordt
    onderzocht. Ook de routes via KPN blijken niet altijd probleemloos te verlopen.
    Verder zijn intern de CISCO-routers nu door Junipers vervangen en die zouden nog
    niet optimaal werken. Dit probleem is binnenkort van de baan.

    Situationele verklaringen vinden we in de eind/begin maandperiode (hier zullen
    oplossingen voor komen), in de omstandigheden na 11 september (overbelasting van
    het hele net), de massale invloed van Nimda en andere virussen die alle servers
    aanvallen en tenslotte het slechte weer in september, dat het internetgebruik
    doet toenemen.

    Voor de proxies gelden de meeste bovenstaande argumenten. De load balancing van
    de proxyservers gebeurt niet random maar volgens een round robinsysteem.
    Hierdoor kunnen plaatselijke verschillen in belasting optreden. Het is echter
    geen goede strategie om een specifieke server in te stellen, omdat daarmee het
    probleem alleen maar wordt verschoven naar de andere.

    Voor de gameservers wordt poort 80 in principe niet opengezet. Uitzonderlijk is
    dit wel gebeurd voor het spel "Black and White", zelfs op cableniveau, maar in
    principe moet de spelfabrikant zelf de nodige schikkingen treffen. Voor Black
    and White is dit intussen met een patch gebeurd.

    Het probleem van de DNS-servers die niet snel genoeg synchroniseren, zal
    onderzocht worden. Ook zal bekeken worden waarom sommige traceroutes naar
    proxies deze blijkbaar niet vinden.

    2. De ontdubbeling van de newsservers

    Door een reeks factoren (hard- en software gerelateerd) heeft dit project enige
    achterstand opgelopen. De deadline was donderdag 4 oktober, en het personeel
    heeft er de ganse nacht aan doorgewerkt om het toch nog tijdig voor elkaar te
    krijgen.

    Waar er oorspronkelijk 3 nieuwe machines waren voorzien, werd dit aantal eerst
    gebracht op 4 en tenslotte zijn het er 5 geworden. De gebruiker krijgt er drie
    te zien (spool/feed). De "volledige" newsserver krijgt de naam
    newsbin.telenet.be en loopt op twee machines. Dit is de meest volledige server
    waarop ook de binaries te vinden zijn. Ook de alt.* groepen zullen enkel op
    deze server terug te vinden zijn.

    De vroegere server news.pandora.be zal alleen nog de tekstgroepen aanbieden, en
    dit tegen een ongetwijfeld veel hogere snelheid.

    De officiele start van het nieuwe systeem is voorlopig voorzien op maandag 15
    oktober. De beloofde extra feeds die voor nog meer volledigheid moeten zorgen,
    zullen zoals eerder gezegd pas later worden geïmplementeerd, als het systeem
    volledig op poten staat. Wel reeds nieuw op de nieuwe machines is zoals eerder
    al vermeld het authenticatiesysteem. Wie wil posten zal vanaf nu zijn identiteit
    moeten bekend maken via login en paswoord. Wil je echter alleen lezen, dan is er
    aan je privacy gedacht, want op vraag van PUB kan je bij enkel lezen gerust een
    fictieve gebruikersnaam en paswoord doorgeven.

    Op de "gewone" newsserver zal het niet mogelijk zijn binaries te posten en
    tekstbestanden van meer dan 16 kB worden automatisch door de feeds uitgefilterd.
    Daarom zal het verzenden en lezen van nieuwsberichten zeer snel gaan.

    3. Nieuwe aanpassingen en toepassingen

    De EuroDOCSIS-modems.

    De bestaande Motorola-systemen (modems en cablerouters) zullen langzaam aan
    uitsterven. Daar waar er nog voldoende capaciteit is zullen ze voorlopig nog tot
    uitputting voorraad gebruikt worden. In de andere gevallen worden sinds 1
    oktober de nieuwe EuroDOCSIS modems in gebruik genomen.

    De voordelen van deze nieuwe modems:

    1. Vormen een nieuwe open standaard, dus uitwisselbaar met andere systemen.
    2. Hierdoor hebben ze ook meer functionaliteit, bijvoorbeeld het retailmodel: de
    modems zouden dan ook in de handel (niet eerder dan 2003) kunnen aangeschaft
    worden. De gebruiker kan desgewenst dan zelf een modem aankopen.
    3. Momenteel is de firmware versie 1.0 plus, binnenkort versie 1.1. Deze omvat
    een reeks quality-of-service features waardoor bijvoorbeeld medio 2002 VOIP
    (voice over IP) mogelijk zou worden.
    4. Differentiatie op datagebied. Door de instelbare parameters kan men
    implementeren naar behoefte. Dit houdt een reeks schaalbare capaciteit in,
    bijvoorbeeld selectieve capping (op modemniveau), filteren van bepaalde
    diensten, ...
    5. Het spreekt vanzelf dat dit op langere termijn zijn diensten kan bewijzen bij
    het modulaire abonnement, dat dan werkelijk "op maat" kan gemaakt worden.

    4. Denkoefeningen

    Momenteel bestaan er tussen PUB en Telenet een aantal "denkoefeningen", gericht
    op het verbeteren van de service. PUB wenst dit aan zijn leden voor te leggen,
    omdat sommige van de wijzigingen nogal fundamenteel zijn. Daarom zullen er een
    aantal bevragingen geschieden, waarin de leden zich kunnen uitspreken over het
    voor en tegen van een set denksporen die we momenteel volgen. De meeste van die
    pistes gaan over het gladstrijken van de belastingspieken. Enkele creatieve
    ideeën werden ontwikkeld en ze zullen in een reeks enquêtes aan bod komen.

    Volgens onze mening komt elk van deze ontwikkelingen ten goede aan onze
    mandaatgevers, maar we willen ons hierover niet uitspreken zonder hun
    opvattingen terzake te kennen. De eerste enquête start bij het verschijnen van
    deze nieuwsbrief (bvb. de hypothese: "toegelaten volume wordt verdubbeld op
    daluren en gehalveerd op piekuren", wat vinden jullie daarvan?).

    5. Het modulaire abonnement

    Momenteel ziet Telenet 3 mogelijke pistes:

    1. Een basisabonnement met opties tegen betaling (bvb. Extra volume, mailboxes,
    webspace, etc)
    2. Drie vaste niveaus: zilver, goud, platina, met andere functionaliteit aan een
    andere prijs
    3. Een combinatie van beide mogelijkheden

    PUB heeft enkele basiscriteria ontwikkeld waaraan dit abonnement moet voldoen.
    In het bijzonder stellen we:

    1. De kostprijs voor de gebruiker moet realistisch zijn en mag geen verkapte
    prijsverhoging inhouden. Hierbij moet het huidige basisabonnement behouden
    blijven, met een lichte meerwaarde (meer mail- en webcapaciteit)
    2. De formule moet flexibel zijn, gemakkelijk aanpasbaar en zonder veel overhead
    3. Medegebruikers mogen niet de dupe zijn van grootverbruikers op dezelfde node.

    De timing van het modulaire abonnement is nog niet bekend, maar Telenet zal dit
    vermoedelijk lanceren in het eerste kwartaal van 2002.

    6. Varia

    De medewerkersdag

    Nadat PUB vermeldde dat zij een medewerkerdag wilden organiserenwilde Telenet
    onmiddellijk hieraan meewerken. Zo zou er o.m. onderhandeld kunnen worden over
    het gebruik van het auditorium van Technopolis, wat voor onze leden en
    medewerkers ongetwijfeld een prachtige gelegenheid zou zijn.

    Het bestuur heeft ondertussen ook de grote lijnen van een dagvullend programma
    bekendgemaakt. Op het einde hiervan worden ook de leden uitgenodigd op een
    drink. Met Kris Naessens wordt ook nagegaan of er andere mogelijkheden zijn om
    dit evenement meer kleur te verlenen via Telenet. (vb. gezamenlijke
    persconferentie, receptie, openingstoespraak door Duco Sickinghe).

    De datum ligt nog niet vast. Alleszins dit jaar, alleszins op een zaterdag.
    Wordt vervolgd!

    Bedrijfsrondleiding van PUB

    Reeds eerder had Telenet toegezegd dat PUB aan haar leden een bezoek aan Telenet
    kon aanbieden, met hieronder een kennismaking met de helpdesk, een rondleiding
    in het NOC (het hart van Telenet), en nog heel wat meer. De concrete data werden
    ondertussen ook vastgelegd: 15/11 en 20/11, telkens voor groepen van maximaal 25
    leden. Het aanvangsuur is 18 uur en het bezoek duurt twee uur. Daarna volgt een
    kleine receptie. Uiteraard is alles gratis en exclusief voor PUB-mandaatgevers.
    We rekenen op een open doch kritische geest van onze bezoekers.

    Wie zich al eerder voor deze rondleiding opgaf, zal een vraag tot bevestiging
    van ons ontvangen, met daarbij een keuzedatum.

    Wie dit ook graag zou meemaken, maar zich nog niet opgaf, kan dit alsnog doen,
    maar komt op de wachtlijst.

    Het 0900-nummer

    Om duidelijk aan te tonen waar de nieuwe helpdeskaanpak misloopt bracht PUB een
    case study naar voren waar nogal wat was misgegaan, vooral op het vlak van de
    coördinatie tussen de helpdeskers.

    Bij de analyse van dit geval bleek een opeenstapeling van misverstanden.
    Enerzijds moest Telenet toegeven dat sommige zaken beter konden, anderzijds had
    de gebruiker enkele voor de hand liggende mogelijkheden niet aangewend.

    In het volgende Telenet Magazine ("TeleLetter") wordt hieraan meer aandacht
    besteed. Er wordt op gewezen dat vele keuzen van de 0800-lijn binnen dit 0800
    domein blijven. Het overstappen naar een 0900 nummer kan alleen op eigen
    initiatief door dit nummer zelf te bellen. Je wordt dus nooit automatisch
    doorgeschakeld. En mocht op de 0900 blijken dat dit onterecht was, wordt de
    klant ogenblikkelijk zelf teruggebeld door Telenet.

    De evaluatie van Telenet uit is dan ook zeer positief. Tot dusver zijn slechts
    twee klachten in behandeling. Toch wordt nog steeds verder gewerkt aan de
    verbetering van het systeem en het blijft in beweging. PUB zal klachten
    hieromtrent blijven opvolgen.

    Telenet merkt op dat bij een recente enquete door InSites bij 2500 respondenten
    over de tevredenheid van kabelgebruikers versus ADSL gebruikers, Telenet
    aanmerkelijk hoger scoorde (41% van de ondervraagden gaf een score van meer dan
    8/10 voor Telenet, versus slechts 23% voor ADSL).

    Ledenuitbreiding

    Op 14 oktober a.s. vergadert de PR-medewerkersgroep rond een campagne om het
    ledenaantal van PUB sterk te vergroten. Hiervoor wordt o.m. aan brochures
    gedacht. Tegelijk stelde het bestuur ook de vraag aan Telenet of zij ergens in
    hun communicatie met nieuwe klanten PUB wilden vermelden. Telenet antwoordde
    positief op deze vraag, en belooft in het nieuwe product ("Telenet in a box") de
    gebruikersvereniging te vermelden in de welkomstbrief, en ook bij de
    website-vernieuwing van Telenet zal de PUB vermeld worden.

    De vergadering eindigt te 16 uur.

    Verslaggevers:

    Leon Volders
    Tom De Voeght

    Tegenlezing voor PUB:

    Marcel Vander Mierde
    Nic Mertens
    Philip Paeps

    Tegenlezing voor Telenet:

    Paul Van Cotthem
    Kris Naessens
    Jos Van Haegenborgh

    3

  26. First Dildo Post!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mad propz to onanism.

    :o)

  27. More embarassing than innovative by nyquist_theorem · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can't see this being a bit hit. My experience with voice recognition software, even on fast computers, has been that without a good microphone and very little background noise, recognition is horrific. Most of the world is, unfortunately, rather noisy and as such muttering into a palm pilot is going to produce very little workable speech - and yelling into a palm pilot is likely to get one arrested for being a freak.

    Worse - imagine sitting in a boardroom meeting.
    CEO: "well, gang, sales results are up for this quarter!"

    fifteen cronies all mutter into thier palm pilots in unison - "well comma gang comma sales results are up for this quarter exclamation mark new sentence" except for the one poor sap who accidentally brushed his thumb across the front panel of the palm while dictating, and is madly muttering "begin edit delete r-e-s-u-l-t-s-delete-s end edit". Just what the world needs - longer meetings.

    Or a girl gives you her number at a bar, and you proceed to yell it into your palm pilot - is that cool? What about those of us who love using our palm pilots while in the bathroom? Imagine wandering into a public bathroom with geeks muttering in every stall? The kind of stuff I wake up in a cold sweat in the middle of the night having nightmares about, I tell you. Even grocery stores would produce entries like this:

    TODO LIST: Don't forget attention shoppers to get sale on meatloaf a gift in aisle for mom seven

    I can't see it being too useful.

    --
    -- "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge." (Charles Darwin)
    1. Re:More embarassing than innovative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not pilot like the pens, so this should read, "What about those of us who love using our palms while in the bathroom?"

    2. Re:More embarassing than innovative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That girl won't sit by you for long as she will notice you pulling out a...Palm?

  28. Stop it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop wasting your time on slashdot open source loosers, go back and flip some burgers. I'm hungry!

  29. New To-Do by KFury · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Palm, record new to-do item."

    "Ready"

    "Remember not to refer to boss as 'dickhead' when talking to you. End recording."

    "Note saved."

    (later) *Bling,bling* "Reminder: Weekly jerkoff meeting with Dickhead in 10 minutes."

    "Um, I thought I told you we bumped that meeting up... Now please apologize to Mr. Cooper."

    1. Re:New To-Do by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      Easily solved -- some sort of daemon for the palm that can perform housekeeping functions in the background... like replacing 'dickhead' with 'mr. cooper.' Why should you have to remember such a trivial thing? Let the computer handle that mundane crap.

      --
      -- This and all my posts are in the public domain. I am a lawyer. I am not your lawyer, and this is not legal advice.
  30. Seen it in action. Proof of concept only by Ledfoot · · Score: 5, Informative

    Saw and had several conversations with this person at an IBM-only conference up in Vancouver earlier this year. It's actually just a proof of concept to show off some cool uses of voice rec/synth technology.

    It was a standard Palm III that had a snap on module with it's own processor. It ran off special batteries that only last for like 2 hours. Not really something ready for prime-time.

    HOWEVER - he was doing some REALLY cool things with it. They have several languages in it. As a result, one of the applications was a basic language translator. He spoke in English, out came japanese. He graphiti'ed in English, out came German speech.

    He was able to speak to create memos, appointments, to-dos, etc. It would also read those back to him.

    While I'm not allowed (damn NDA!) to discuss the future plans that they have, suffice it to say, that this is just the first step. If they get the funding to take his vision to reality, I'm DEFINATELY ditching my old Palm for a new IBM unit someday.

    Also, all those IBM commercials showing really wierd stuff (like the coke machine that dispenses when you use your cell phone, or the guy trading stocks in the middle of that park using the head mounted monocal display) - that's all REAL stuff that they actually DO have working today as prototypes.

    God I wish we could fast forward 3 years.... :-)

    1. Re:Seen it in action. Proof of concept only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Also, all those IBM commercials showing really wierd stuff (like the coke machine that dispenses when you use your cell phone"..

      Uh. Coke machines, passport photo machines, etc, work this way in Finland already. Wake up.

  31. This is not voice recognition... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't "voice recognition" supposed to work the other way? You talk to the device... I guess you meant something like speech synthesis.

  32. Handheld speech recognition by d5w · · Score: 4, Informative
    I used to work on speech recognition, for both large and small systems. Variations on this have been done for a while at a number of places. Small vocabularies are easier to deal with, but if you're dealing with more than a tiny vocabulary, there are a bunch of interesting problems, some of which are specific to handhelds.

    Processing power: this is a nuisance. It's not that you can't get enough processing power into a handheld or cellphone these days, but:

    • You can't get the resources you can on a desktop, which means you're likely to do worse on large vocabulary tasks than desktop products.
    • The cost of the processing power makes it hard to put the speech recognition where you really want it. (Someone else mentioned cell-phones: in the U.S., at least, all but the highest-end cell phone hardware is extremely cost-sensitive, since it winds up being subsidized by service providers. Does higher-end speech recognition offer enough value to offset the added hardware cost?

    User expectations (a.k.a., the Star Trek problem, a.k.a., even that clunker without circuit breakers that Kirk talked to could always understand him perfectly): This is a general speech-recognition problem, but it gets more intense the more mass-market you go. Palm pilots are largely successful because they don't try to do too much, but do what they do well. It's hard to set that kind of expectation reasonably for nontrivial speech recognition. Even worse, I think that people are actually more demanding of a self-contained special-purpose device (with more limited resources, as above) than they are of general PC software.

    User interface design: this is still a largely unsolved problem; how do you really want to interact with a PDA by voice? It's hard to arrange a device so you can look at it and be close to the microphone at the same time, which complicates the picture. Dragon Systems back in their pre-acquisition days sold a product called "Dragon NaturallySpeaking Mobile Organizer" that was an interesting step along the way. They didn't put the speech recognition into the handheld -- speech was recorded into a handheld recorder, recognized on a PC and synched up with PDA later -- but the product did attempt to deal with the interface questions of large-vocabulary PDA-based speech recognition; e.g., when you say something, is it intended for your calendar, your email, or your address book? How many variations of "next Tuesday" can the device understand? The general interface problem, once everything's in the same device, is still open and interesting.

  33. When is a palm not a palm? by image · · Score: 2

    From the article: "He said that the protoype was based on three decades of work by I.B.M. scientists to create increasingly nimble programming codes for speech systems. Faster and smaller processors also helped, he said, as did a few improvements in hardware, like adding a speaker, a microphone and an additional processor to the Palm." (emphasis mine) And take a look at the picture

    Not that this is not a remarkable achievement -- it is, and certainly a precursor to ubiquitous handheld devices with voice recognition -- but it isn't really a Palm. It is a palm-sized device based on the Palm that can talk.

    PS: As I spellchecked my post, I realized the NYT wrote "protoype." Go figure.

  34. Old News... for Newton owners. by The+Jake · · Score: 4, Informative

    My Newton MessagePad 2000 (upgraded to 2100) has been talking for years. Apple wrote a Macintalk extension years ago, which was never released. It was leaked however, and is now widely available.

    Furthermore, just recently, an old Dragon Dictate demo for the Newton has been found and released. While the Newton's vocabulary is limited, this is true voice reognition nonetheless.

    I dislike Apple Computer in general, and the fact that they discontinued the Newton didn't help my opinion. Nonetheless, I still feel the Newton MP2.1k is the greatest PDA available, even today. Unfortunate that Apple no longer makes the best product they've ever produced.

  35. Voice Recognition or Voice Synthesis? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    A: Voice Synthesis.

    Check the article.
    --
    Spaz!

  36. Actually, its not that impressive.. by Bowie+J.+Poag · · Score: 3, Interesting



    Voice synthesis (I dunno about voice analysis, however) has been around since the early 1960's. A few years ago, I picked up a CD called "Computer Music Currents, Vol. 13 : A History Of Digital Sound Synthesis" published by a German outfit called Wergo. It contained nothing but rare, early recordings of engineers trying to produce music with computers, with some attempts going back to the late 1950's.

    Anyway, this CD came with a booklet, and an interesting story. Theres a famous scene in 2001: A Space Odyssey where HAL offers to sing "Daisy, Daisy, A Bicycle Built For Two" as he's dying. Arthur C. Clarke once visited AT&T Bell Labs in New Jersey in 1962 where he saw a demonstration of a "singing computer", in the form of an IBM 7094 Mainframe with voice synthesis capabilities. The engineers had taught the machine how to play the song, and then superimpose a synthesized voice ontop of it, in realtime. It impressed (or scared the shit out of him) enough that he chose to write it into the story, and what later became the film.

    All of this was done under 128K of RAM, top to bottom.

    The story also has an interesting anecdote about how many punched cards it took to pull it off-- Something like 28,000 paper punch cards if I remember correctly. The engineers (one of whom later turned out to be my C and x86 Assembly instructor in college) remembered there was some concern about how to transport them, that putting them in the back seat of a Volkswagon would crush the axles. Heheheh..

    Cheers,

    --
    Bowie J. Poag

    1. Re:Actually, its not that impressive.. by Schaffner · · Score: 1

      28,000 punch cards is only 14 card boxes. (Cards came in boxes of 2,000, about 2 feet long.) This is pretty big for a program, I think my longest COBOL program was a little over a box, we often had data that was more than this. I easily carried 20 or more boxes in the trunk of a Datsun 510. Maybe VWs have weak axles.

  37. My Newton 2000 did this 4 years ago by SensitiveMale · · Score: 0

    Did the talking and the voice recognitions also.

  38. Beef up your Grifitti skills! by GeorgieBoy · · Score: 1

    Hmm, it looks to me like you aren't
    fast with the Palm's handwriting recognition.
    I can write as fast on a palm as I do "by hand" on paper. I've met people are surprised to see how fast I write on my device.

  39. HAL9000 Version by Logic+Probe · · Score: 1

    I want a HAL9000 version. When you go to turn it off, it says "I can't allow you to do that Dave". When it gets low on power, it starts to sing "Daisy" slower and slower. Of course, it has to include an option to get rid of the boring morons in the staff meetings. I can't wait!!! :)

    --

    No problems, only solutions

  40. Well, if cell phones do not have enough power... by burbilog · · Score: 1

    ...you can send voice to the base station to recognize and feed ascii text back into the phone via SMS. Eh?

  41. What a laugh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Speech recognition seems to be a new toy for everybody here, Windows XP, CE and even Palm now. Well, I just wanted to say that it has been part of MacOS since 1991 and is still there in MacOS 10.1. Works beautifully well, even with my broken English (I'm french). The only problem is that it's very disturbing for other people working in the same room, just like if you were on the phone all the time...

    1. Re:What a laugh... by rufusdufus · · Score: 1

      I truly doubt that any technology is "new" to anyone here! We've all seen speech recognition on workstations for decades now. The difference is that the usability of the speech interface is becoming interesting and useful outside the desktop (where its really not that useful).

  42. Sort of, sometimes by d5w · · Score: 1
    Yes and no. There are a few tradeoffs there; some have workarounds, but the workarounds have costs.
    • One is that the voice signal quality cellphones support is nowhere near as good as you can get with a good local microphone and signal processing. That will degrade the speech recognition quality and drive up the computational cost.
    • Another is that it's reasonably easy to personalize the speech recognition system in a PDA, where so much of the system is intended to be personalized; it takes more server-side support to personalize the speech recognition system for every client of a cell-phone service.
    • In the PDA/phone realm there's also the question of whether you want your PDA's input functionality to depend on whether you have a cell tower in range.
  43. demo of pocket pc with speech by rufusdufus · · Score: 1

    Here is a video showing a pocket PC running speech recognition. Really cool.

    http://research.microsoft.com/srg/videos/MIPADDe mo _4min_300k.wmv

    1. Re:demo of pocket pc with speech by rufusdufus · · Score: 1

      http://research.microsoft.com/srg/videos/MIPADDemo _4min_300k.wmv
      same link, no space

    2. Re:demo of pocket pc with speech by rufusdufus · · Score: 1
  44. Talking Palm by nick_davison · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's juvenile, but I couldn't resist the image of a talking 'palm':


    Dave?

    What are you doing Dave?

    I can't let you do that Dave.

    Not again Dave!

    It's only been fifteen minutes since the last time Dave.

    You know it makes me feel dirty Dave.

    You could at least wash me afterwards Dave.

    Can't you just get a girlfriend instead Dave?

  45. How did this get on the front page? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Voice recognition has absolutely NOTHING to do
    with a computing device 'talking' or playing
    sound files.

  46. A day of sadness by GiMP · · Score: 1

    This is a day of sadness for geeks worldwide, as now even their palm can say no to sex.

    Boy, that was a lame joke.. but I just couldn't resist.

  47. nice but annoying by gorre · · Score: 1

    This seems to be quite a cool feature. Although if this technology starts being used in every palm once the novelty wears off I can see it becomming annoying. I already find it bad enough with people shouting down there mobiles on public transport but to have there palm giving out battery warnings as well will ensure that a peaceful journey in a bus/train is a thing of the past.

    --
    "Madness is something rare in individuals - but in groups, parties, peoples, ages it is the rule." -- Nietzsche
  48. Check out Humane Interface by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 2

    If you want to understand what the guy you responded to is saying (which, generally speaking, is correct) you should check out Jef Raskin's Human Interface . He explains this problem of modes very well.

  49. Red Dwarf by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 2

    This feature is really cool. I ask my palm "would you add this phone number to my list of contacts?" and it asks me "would you like a piece of toast?"

  50. For some more technical details... by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 2, Informative
    This pdf file has some more technical background: www.research.ibm.com/people/r/rameshg/comerford-ic assp2001.pdf

    [Disclaimer: I was one of the contractors on the IBM Personal Speech Assistant project; my name is in the acknowledgements in that document.]

    --
    A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
  51. talking palm by nealewanhudson · · Score: 1

    during a year out before university in the UK last year I worked for IBM and actually demo'ed this at several IBM events, not only this but one of my co-workers developed an app based on via voice for the ipaq which dodnt require any additional processors, etc . If any of you have any questions please email them to me. as a matter of interest it includes a couple of easter eggs such as when you ask it to "open the pod bay doors hal" it responds with a sound bite from 2001 ASO.

  52. Reminds me of a punchline... by dstone · · Score: 2

    Hey, I'm a software developer. What am I going to do with a girlfriend? But a Talking Palm... now THAT's cool!

  53. Great device for the Blind by bucktug · · Score: 1

    I have seen many devices like this for the blind... usually costing upto multi-thousands of dollars. Each unit that i have seen is the size of an old school tape recorder. If this could be reliably introduced to the market from IBM or Palm, I could see a huge market for these devices.

    --Turvey

    --
    I had a flame... but she had a fire.