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OS Emulation Extravaganza, OS X On Down

HomeBrewR writes: "Behold the power of MacOS X... Windows XP? Who cares! You guys arent going to believe what I was able to do in one bored day at work. http://www.mystaticip.com/homebrew shows my effort. I took OS X 10.1, installed fink with rootless Xfree86 with IceWM running BasiliskII [running MacOS 7.6]. OS X is also running ircle and VPC test drive running Windows XP. Simply amazing. The speed on this iBook 466SE of all the apps left much to be desired. This was a feasibility test. The speed of either one of the emulators running by themselves was decent if you turned off all the eye candy in Windows XP. I'm REALLY interested in getting BasiliskII up and running to be able to play all those games that OS 8 broke...stuff like Ancient Art of War and Vette. Check it out and have fun duplicating the effort HomeBrewR" The question I'm sure you're asking now is Why stop there?

183 comments

  1. Re:no comments? by Erik+Hensema · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Either you're not going to see this comment or it's indeed just a slow night. Well, at least in my TZ it's night (22:47) ;-)

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  2. Cute! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cute!

  3. OS Emulation Extravaganza, OS X On Down by jayant_techguy · · Score: 1

    so far so good

  4. Breakout by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now you can find the breakout easter egg and play that too.

  5. Was this the best use of time ? by Anton+Anatopopov · · Score: 0, Troll
    As a mac user, the effort would have been better spent porting some open source apps to the MacOS. Then carbonizing them. Emulation is cool, but for all practical purposes, you are better off going native.

    Remember, we owe a duty of commitment to the open source community, and there's no reason for Mac users to be left out!

    1. Re:Was this the best use of time ? by Chillywang · · Score: 1

      It isn't about wasting time emulating. It's about seeing what the OS can do...

      Why don't you get started on carbonizing those programs for us, I'm sure you'll have a jolly ol 3 years doing it.

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    2. Re:Was this the best use of time ? by efuseekay · · Score: 0

      It's his time, not yours. So what are you complaining about?

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    3. Re:Was this the best use of time ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut the fuck up. All he did was run two emulators side by side. I would be very greatly surprised if this entire project took any more than 30 minutes.

    4. Re:Was this the best use of time ? by deusx · · Score: 1

      Uuh, what?

      Was writing this post the best use of your time? :) Get back to your porting. Eat your mush.

    5. Re:Was this the best use of time ? by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 0
      I agree. Apps ported to run natively would be better.

      But if that's not possable. Is is possble to combine the emulation into the OS better?
      When your emulating that many OS, the GUI starts to go to hell...A usebility nightmare.

    6. Re:Was this the best use of time ? by Zzootnik · · Score: 0

      Whoa there you "Leet-Codin'" foo...
      Yes, it would be absolutely WONDERFUL if the apps and other what-not were native...but I think you need to take a look at what Apple's Mac-Daddy is doin here...
      Namely...NOTHING...
      And frankly, it kinda pisses me off...Open sourcing the OS itself would be a wonderful gesture along these lines...but y'know? I really haven't seen ANY desire on Apple's part that this is what they'd have any interest in...Too bad...cause if that happened, you'd see quite an explosion of this kind of thing being written/re-written/and ported...

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    7. Re:Was this the best use of time ? by Cujo · · Score: 1

      "Nothing" isn't exactly accurate. Darwin is open source, and Apple has ported OpenGL, which works quite nicely.

      It would be very cool of Apple to open Quartz as well, but I'm not sure they legally can.

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  6. More approriately.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Is why at all? I mean I've been bored before, but sheesh!

    1. Re:More approriately.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a mac running OS-X, practically no native apps, so they NEED emulation.

  7. How did mame run on the final emulated OS? by Typingsux · · Score: 1
    Just curious. Running an arcade emulator would just be another level.

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    1. Re:How did mame run on the final emulated OS? by Bonker · · Score: 1

      With decent graphics hardware and on even mediocre processors, MAME runs close to real-speed for most games emulated.

      (Ahh... I can finally play 'Forgotton Realms' and 'Assault' once more.)

      While cool, running it at any given level would probably not be a very good test of your setup's limits.

      Now, running it at *all* levels?

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    2. Re:How did mame run on the final emulated OS? by mr100percent · · Score: 1

      ya know, MAME runs natively on OS X

    3. Re:How did mame run on the final emulated OS? by Brian+Kendig · · Score: 1

      Problem is, Mac OS 10.1 breaks MacMAME. It still runs, but most of the settings tabs are now inaccessible, and full-screen OpenGL smoothed video has stopped working for lots of people. This is supposedly due to bugs in 10.1 which will most likely be fixed in 10.1.1.

  8. Already? by YetAnotherDave · · Score: 1

    Slow connection + big graphics = really fast slashdotting

    :(

  9. Slashdotted by affenmann · · Score: 3, Funny

    Maybe he is running his web-server under Linux in a VMWARE emulation in his emulated XP...

    1. Re:Slashdotted by morcheeba · · Score: 1

      > Maybe he is running his web-server under Linux in a VMWARE emulation in his emulated XP...

      He is, and the program is Sun's Java-based web server

  10. No, what I'm asking myself now is... by PeterClark · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...this is important _how_? Really, someone, clue me in. Is it just a terribly slow day or something? Yes, yes, I know, this is Slashdot, where "News For Ners" can mean anything from the kind of toilet paper Bill Gates uses to the latest version of 'ls', but really, is there _nothing_ going on in the tech world of any greater significance?

    By the way, since his server is going to quickly go down in a ball of hot silicon (he has two pictures, one a 300+k jpg, the other one a tiff--don't want to think how enormous that is), I will describe the jpg to you, to save a click:

    The top shows OS X's menu bar, while the bottom has IceWM's taskbar, with the OS X's dock on the left side. In the upper right hand corner is a window running/emulating a System 7.6 desktop with an "About This Computer" window showing 62 out of 66 mb of memory used. Halfway hidden behind that window is a window of WinXP, showing the grotesquely large WinXP start menu. Fascinating, isn't it?

    :Peter

    1. Re:No, what I'm asking myself now is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Although you cannot change the content of slashdot, here is what you can do to make this a better world:

      - block ads coming from slashdot
      - reload 1000 times per day
      - read articles in nested flat mode at -1
      - post crap regularly
      - use malda's email address on any website that requires one

      that'll show 'em

    2. Re:No, what I'm asking myself now is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it is facinating. No other platform can do what is shown here.

    3. Re:No, what I'm asking myself now is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      weird, Linux with VMWare running WinXP, Basilik running MacOS 7.6, UAE running amigaOS maybe? bochs running dos... not only OS X can do that kind of stuff!

    4. Re:No, what I'm asking myself now is... by ThatComputerGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      WTF, why is this modded insightful? We're nerds/geeks, and shit like this is cool to us, so technically, it matters.

      Nobody's forcing your ass to read /. anyway.

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    5. Re:No, what I'm asking myself now is... by Score+Whore · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Speak for yourself my friend. The fact is this guy started up a couple of apps and got posted as an article on slashdot. If somewhere in there he happened to develop a new technique for emulation, perhaps it would be "news for nerds." Or maybe if he was using this to solve some unique and persistent problem that a number of people had encountered... But he didn't. Truly, he just ran some apps. It's no different than me taking a screenshot of my desktop at any random moment and sending it in. Hmmm that gives me ideas...

    6. Re:No, what I'm asking myself now is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      excellent

    7. Re:No, what I'm asking myself now is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoa.. when did they release a new version of ls?

    8. Re:No, what I'm asking myself now is... by efgbr · · Score: 1

      He did something fun and interesting. I hope you get /.ed when you do something like that too, but you haven't (yet).

    9. Re:No, what I'm asking myself now is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's a thought:

      If it is not important to you, shut your fucking yap, you inbred insensitive fuck.

      Have a nice day.

    10. Re:No, what I'm asking myself now is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do 3 of those 5 things already. I don't know if I have time to reload 1000 times a day, but I'll give thought to the email thing.

    11. Re:No, what I'm asking myself now is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't you do it then? Can't? Awww.. too bad.

      Now shut the fuck up.

      You need to get laid. Fuckface.

    12. Re:No, what I'm asking myself now is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://parnell6-2.user.msu.edu/torazchryx/images/m aximumemulation.jpg

      Whats that?, no other platform can emulate a load of different things at the same time?

    13. Re:No, what I'm asking myself now is... by Vossile · · Score: 1

      Well, actually I was looking for something totally different, but this article aroused my interests. Somebody once told me about /. but somehow I never got around to reading it regularly. When I saw this emulation article I was very fascinated because I AM currently looking into finally ridding myself of the PC-WORLD and getting a G4. So for me this article was totally interesting. It's what people do, it's fun to see it work and hell if I have any problems getting exactly the same setup running, I will bomb the author with questions - sorry ;-)

    14. Re:No, what I'm asking myself now is... by gig · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is no other computer where you can run Mac OS X and Windows XP together, while also running Mac OS 9 apps and UNIX apps. I write tech books, and I do all of the Mac and Windows screenshots on a PowerBook, and have for years. Many authors do this. Very convenient. VirtualPC is a great Web testing ground, and it's very mature on the Mac and works really well. VirtualPC is essentially free when you buy it with Windows included, and it enables you to run any software you can find on the Web in Mac OS X. Still, I only run a Windows app for non-testing purposes about once a year. So much Windows software is crap. 300 shitty icon editors.

      There is plenty of native software for Mac OS X already, and the marquee apps have all either shipped, been demoed, or been announced. Besides, Mac OS X runs Mac OS 9 apps better than Mac OS 9 in most cases ... people aren't suffering too much on Mac OS X. In a year or so Classic will be mostly a distant memory, anyway.

  11. Been there done that... by pridkett · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Maybe not to that extreme...But I've done pretty much the same a little over a year ago with a PowerBook G3 running at 233Mhz. The Windows was on a different system in the shot, but it was through VMWare. MythII was running locally as was MacOnLinux. Now if only someone hadn't stolen that laptop I could still be having fun like that, but that beg's the question, why so much? I actually had a legitimate use for most of that stuff for various work projects, but rarely did I actually need them all at once.

    here you see it

    It's odd that there's a map in Myth II with the same name as a church I go.

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  12. Oh no, by Breace · · Score: 1

    The question I'm sure you're asking now is Why stop there?

    No, actually, it's "Why FULLstop".

    Just kiddin.

  13. Help! I can't get any work done by MrNovember · · Score: 3, Funny

    Will someone please help me? I am trying to install Linux in VMWare on Windows running in VMWare on Linux runnin in VMWare on Windows running...

    I just can't get anything done -- when do I stop? Someone please reset me.

    1. Re:Help! I can't get any work done by uchian · · Score: 1

      Ah, I see your problem, you've installed them the wrong way round!

      Try installing Windows in VMWare on Linux running in VMWare on Windows running...

  14. AWESOME! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Free porn!

    1. Re:AWESOME! by Cirvam · · Score: 0, Troll

      Wow that is some good shit..man if you need porn check ithumbz

    2. Re:AWESOME! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone, moderate this fuck?

  15. Oh great. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow! It appears that the site got slashdotted. Another one bites the dust. How about you *warn* these small sites that aren't hosted on akamai or conxion that slashdot is going to report on them so that they can get adequate bandwidth/mirrors/whatnot. Jeez, at least think how much bandwidth they're gonna pay, too. Going by the hostname "mystaticip" - er sounds like a cablemodem of some sorts. Come on! I saw someone suggest a queueing system to access the URL. Doesn't sound a bad idea on the whole scale of things IMHO.

  16. OK here's my setup by BroadbandBradley · · Score: 1

    I have a new Tynan Thunder setup with dual Athlons
    3 GB of installe memory, this board left me 5 pci slots+ an AGP Pro slot,
    2 have PowerPC dual G4 PCI cards with 512 MD ram on each
    1 Soundblaster Platinum PCI card
    1 Matrox G400 Dual head PCI card
    1 TvTuner PCI card
    1 Geforce3 AGP pro card.
    4 scsi drives in a raid

    NOW, I run Mandrake 8.1 on the box itself, with VMware to open windows 9x/nt/2k/XP, One of PPC PCI cards boots OSX, the other to run mandrake 8.1 PPC which also runs Mac-on-Linux where I can boot Mac )S 7,8, or 9... 3 monitors one big 22" in the middle of 2 19 " on either side. X being what it is I can put any OS on any display and call it a workspace. the board includes 2 10/100 ethernet ports, one plugs into my cable modem, the other goes to a hub which allows 6 different old PC's to work as X terminals, where the apps run on the server (PPC or X86 OS) and displays on the Xterminals. walking up to an Xterminal and placing your thumb on the USB fingerprint scanner brings your workspace to that station.
    All of this I can use from my Yopy with 802.11b. and the head mounted display (in case I'm ever outside)

    well I can dream can't I?

    1. Re:OK here's my setup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "2 have PowerPC dual G4 PCI cards with 512 MD ram on each "

      What are these cards and where does one get one? A quick internet search only turns up apple sites.

      Thanks :)

    2. Re:OK here's my setup by BroadbandBradley · · Score: 2, Interesting

      http://www.totalimpact.com/G3_MP.html
      they also make mac's that fit in a drive bay.
      and from the site:
      Total mPOWER Product Description

      PCI: Single slot PCI card
      12.2" x 5.2" PCI 2.1 Interface 32 and 64 bit
      33/66MHz Host Interface using Digital 21554 PCI to PCI Bridge (data sheet attached). Processors:
      PowerPC G3/G4 a.k.a. PPC 750/7400. Interposer based processor design. Boards are available with up to 4 processors. Features:
      Supercaler (3 IPC: 2 Instructions + Branch) G3 Dual 32KB Instruction and Data non-blocking caches Dual MMUs Hardware Tablewalk On-chip debug suppoirt (JTAG/COP) External L2 cache interface Level 2 Cache:
      1Mb of L2 "Backside Cache" per processor. Local Bus:
      Local 60X bus speed: 66MHz or 83MHz using MPC 106 Rev. 4.0. Memory:
      Two 168 DIMM sites, support for up to 512Mb of SDRAM, 3.3V, unbuffered PC-100 DIMMS. Power:
      Minimum 30W (processor speed and SDRAM size dependent) 5V 12-18A, 12V .5A Integrated power supplies: 3.3V and VCore are generated on-board, power is drawn from host system power supply. Expansion:
      Optional expansion I/O card PCI 2.1 Interface 32 bit/33MHz uses IEEE 1384 (PMC) connectors Operates on secondary PCI bus isolated from host PCI Bus Possible interface cards:
      FireWire 10/100 Base T Ethernet Ultra Wide SCSI Custom support for two independent PCI targets any combination of the above. System Requirements:
      PC/AT, Power Macintosh 8600, 9500, 9600 Warranty:
      One year parts and labor. Part Numbers:
      Total mPower 4 X 400 MHz G3 with 128 MB of SDRAM - TPG3-4400-128 $3,200 Total mPower 4 X 400 MHz G4 with 128 MB of SDRAM - TPG4-4400-128 $3,900 Total mPower 4 X 500 MHz G4 with 128 MB of SDRAM - TPG4-4500-128 $4,600

      Contact Sales Department for other configurations.

    3. Re:OK here's my setup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You, my friend, just had a wet dream. Then you let it slosh about all over /. How friendly is that?

    4. Re:OK here's my setup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus Christ, those are pricy. Say, can I borrow $3000?

      You must really need it if you paid that much for it. What do you do with it, other than simply "boot OS X"?

      I know I have a PPC cross-compiler set up on my Athlon box already. It'd be cool to have that too. But I'm not made of money.

    5. Re:OK here's my setup by BroadbandBradley · · Score: 2

      I don't really have that setup, if I had too much money I might. I've never had too much money before.

  17. XP? by PhReaKyDMoNKeY · · Score: 0

    Well at least when you get that all-right-this-is-the-last-straw-you-piece-of-shit BSoD, you can just toss the whole OS in the trash and rid yourself of it. I wonder if there's a digital equivalent for that week old apple juice/macaroni/rancid milk smell that likes to stick around the wastebasket...

  18. Shame, really. by FFFish · · Score: 3, Funny

    He could have completed the circle by running a MacOS emu... and iterated again. :)

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    1. Re:Shame, really. by Hal-9001 · · Score: 1

      That would make an interesting infinite loop test, now wouldn't it... ;-)

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    2. Re:Shame, really. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He could have completed the circle by running a MacOS emu... and iterated again. :)

    3. Re:Shame, really. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back when VirtualPC came out there was a screenshot something like this.

      Mac -> Virtual PC Win95 -> a Mac 68k emu (maybe Executor) -> Game Boy emulator playing Tetris

      I don't remember if Tetris ran at full speed. Is there a PPC Mac emulator for x86 yet? If so, you could get that second full iteration...

    4. Re:Shame, really. by FFFish · · Score: 3, Funny

      That would make an interesting infinite loop test, now wouldn't it... ;-)

      [wish I'd thought to do what AC did. damn!]

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  19. Mirror by helixblue · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.webcache.org/a/2001/10/27/www.mystatici p.com/homebrew/index.html

    Hopefully it can handle it. :) I can definitely say I love MacOS X, and without a doubt -- you can run more apps from MacOS X than any other OS, especially if you throw in Virtual PC.

    I myself run WinXP in VirtualPC.. but I've been struggling to figure out why I bought VirtualPC other than to try XP? Is there really any Windows app I need?

    Oh.. ya, Civ3 is being released for Windows first.. that's why I need it!

    1. Re:Mirror by Pope · · Score: 1

      The real trick is to run NeXTStep on that VirtualPC drive. I did, it's quite silly.

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    2. Re:Mirror by zephc · · Score: 2

      ive done OPENSTEP 4.2 (NeXTStep) *and* WinXP in VPC... too bad there are no video drivers in openstep that jives with the VPC emulated video card =\

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    3. Re:Mirror by IronChef · · Score: 2

      Is there really any Windows app I need?

      Well, it is a DOS app, but X-COM UFO Defense is a great reason to put VPC on a Mac!

    4. Re:Mirror by blibbler · · Score: 1

      lol, that is truely the only reason why I keep VPC around. Tis the best game of all time... someone should try to get them to release the source... nobody is going to buy it anymore, and it could use with a bugfix or fifty :)

      Blibbler

  20. I love MacOSX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love MaxOSXm and my Mac is so cool... I'm so cool.... brag brag ....

    Give me a break !

  21. Re:OS X 10.1 by donutz · · Score: 1

    good point....should it really be OS X.1?

  22. Heres the Pic on a much beefier machine by jgaynor · · Score: 4, Informative

    Picture Mirrored on a good server

    It looks pretty cool - cant think of what use this would be though. This guys website has no text about it at all. It goes something like:

    Dayam I love Mac OSX - look what I did.

    No lie thats all it says.

    1. Re:Heres the Pic on a much beefier machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it tells exactly what he's running...putz

    2. Re:Heres the Pic on a much beefier machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only does it say in the post to /. but it also sez on the page exactly what is being run. It mentions in the post to /. WHY, that being to run old Mac based games that an earlier version of OS broke.

      You may go to Rutgers, but your reading skillz are way too primitive.

    3. Re:Heres the Pic on a much beefier machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you read the entire post on slashdot, maybe you wouldn't be so dazed and confused about the point, "This was a feasibility test. The speed of either one of the emulators running by themselves was decent if you turned off all the eye candy in Windows XP"

  23. Re:Been there done that... by reverius · · Score: 1

    How were you able to use VMWare on a Mac? I don't see anything for Mac on their web site. Are you sure it was vmware?

    Or were you using VMWare running inside of Virtual PC running Linux? :)

  24. ONLY ON Slashdot ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This *truely* is "news for nerds" !!!

    "Stuff that doesn't matter"

    1. Re:ONLY ON Slashdot ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yep

  25. Woop tee doo.. by geoffrey+crawford · · Score: 1

    Now what is so amazing about that?

    I mean, you can do that under most platforms...

    Like hell, watch me run Basilisk II under linux, then run Win4Lin.. funny thing is, it'll do Basilisk the same speed as it would under OS X (they're both emulated), while Win4Lin is virtualization software, which will run FAST

    Like maybe I'm missing something, but what is so special about this?

    1. Re:Woop tee doo.. by CmdrPaco · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There is a cool screenshot of emulation upon emulation etc... http://www.kearney.net/~mhoffman/basiliskII/softwi ndows/program_manager01.JPG

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    2. Re:Woop tee doo.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't do this under most platforms. Maybe you don't understand what you're seeing. You can run Basilisk and Win4Lin. He can run applications for:

      Mac OS X
      Mac OS 9
      Mac OS 8 and earlier
      Windows XP (win4lin can't yet)
      *unix (command line and graphical)

      Go see if you can do it with any other machine that isn't running OS X then come back here.

  26. web app testing, is why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i have a titanium, running osx, i write internet applications to be used on various platforms and brousers(it's a dirty job but someone... oh whatever, it pays well.)
    my point in using a multiplatform emulating system is that i can develope my perl apps from a command line editor and test them on the system i am on, on 3 primary platforms in 2 primary brousers each. i don't even have to cross the room to my PC...
    it also means conkorer and opera get tested sometimes...
    (sorry bout the SP)

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    i miss my Amiga the most."

  27. Excellent description... by cluening · · Score: 1

    I just love the /. writeups that I have to read very slowly and several times over before beginning to understand what they are trying to say...

    Or, in the same style as such a writeup:
    I just love it. Writeups that I need very slowly to read and several times over before understanding them. Their good.

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  28. OOG LIKE CAVE MACOSX!!! by OOG_THE_CAVEMAN+on · · Score: 0

    G HAS BN N LNG CMA AFTR SMKNG BAD CAV WD AND NT RALZ APPL RLAS NW CAV MAC PRATNG SYSTM!!! G WNT T LCAL CAV MAC VNDR AND BRK SALSMAN'S HAD WTH PN SRC CD! THN G TK DAL PRCSSR CAV MAC G4 S G CLD RN CAV MACSX!!! G VRY MPRSSD BY MLATN ABLTS! G LK PRTTY CLRS F WNDWS XP BT NT LK STN-AG CAV PC HARDWAR!! WHN G CLB CAV-HS AND TAK THM BACK T CAV THY VRY MPRSSD BY G'S TP-F-TH-LN HARDWAR!!!! G SD T SMK CAV WD WTH STV JBS BACK BFR H STARTD SNRTNG CRACK RCKS AND DSGNNG FRTY CLRD CAV MACS AND S GLAD T S JBS CCASNALLY MAK GD SFTWAR!!

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    1. Re:OOG LIKE CAVE MACOSX!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't this what we call flaimbait? He's encuoraging all of us who can;t afford a nw G$ to go kill someone and take it. He is also saying that Steve Jobs skomes crack, isn't that slander?

    2. Re:OOG LIKE CAVE MACOSX!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just for all the folks out there saying "welcome back", this isn't OOG. -- look at his name, it's "OOG_THE_CAVEMAN on", and a brand new user.

  29. This should go without saying, but... by Anthracks · · Score: 1

    This should go without saying, but don't go to that site...it runs some sort of Internet Explorer exploit. Anthracks

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    1. Re:This should go without saying, but... by magicslax · · Score: 1

      1) what are you talking about? exploit?

      2) i take it, then, that you are using internet explorer? you _do_ realize that isn't too especially common hereabouts, right?

  30. Unix by drewbradford · · Score: 1

    I don't blame Unix users who laugh at Mac fanatics who are just now uncovering the power of Unix.

    1. Re:Unix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about laughing at unix users who are just discovering the ease-of-use with Mac OS?

    2. Re:Unix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't blame Mac OS X users who laugh at X Window
      fanatics. :)

      Moto Man

  31. Been there, done that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've done that before. I have MacOSX 10.1, VPC Test drive, and BasiliskII installed on my PBG4. While I don't have XP, I do have 98SE and Mandrake 7.2 installed. I recently sold my x86 box since Windows ran better on VirtualPC than it ever ran on a real PC. (Note: I said 'better' not 'faster' the real thing would probably run circles around VPC if I didn't spend so much damn time rebooting.) Ever since I updated to MacOSX 10.1 my X11 stopped working so I haven't been able to run BasiliskII for some time now. I've tried Connectix Virtual Game Station as well but it will not recognize the CD as an actual PS disk, must be something with the hardware abstraction in Classic.

    Any tips on getting Xfree86 running on MacOSX 10.1 so I can be just like this guy?

  32. Haiku by efuseekay · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Oog the Caveman
    back after long hibernation.
    Breaks head, write in CAPS.

    --
    Mode (3) smart-aleck mode. Press * to return to main menu.
  33. Just for the hell of it. by BrookHarty · · Score: 3, Interesting

    One extremely bored weekend, on a win2k box..

    VMware with redhat linux running UAE
    Vmware with Win98SE for games.
    BaliskII with net access running os8
    WinUAE playing .mods

    Then,
    Running VNC to my linux box with IceWM with qnx theme.
    Running VNC to my wifes 98se box
    My linux box mounting my Win2k drives with sharity
    My win2k box mounting my linux boxes with samba
    Xwin32 running a file manager on the unix box that was looking at my win2k mounted drives.
    Netscape exported back.
    Running eFX with enlightenment skin.
    Exporting Gimp back and viewing pictures on my local drives.
    Mirc in desktop mode with transparency.
    tclock for looks and to replace the start button.
    econsole - I use dterm for win32 now.
    And when not listening to mods, Sonique with background visuals.

    Lots of cool stuff out there, emulators for almost everything, mame/consoles/64/amiga/atari/mac/apple/etc..
    And tons of programs to make windows look the way you want, or even go wild with litestep/graphite/etc..

    If your interested in tweaking and shell enhacements check out Shell City daily updates with new programs.
    Customize.org and Floachs site are a must visit also.

  34. Re: My bad by jgaynor · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Heres the text:

    Dayam! I LOVE MacOS X
    Below are links to screenshots showing Mac OS X 10.1 running XFree86 rootless with IceWM running BasiliskII [running MacOS 7.6], VPC test drive running WinXP and ircle

    Picture 2 [jpg] - Good Detail

    Copyright 2001 Tappa Kegga Brew Enterprises

  35. Re:OS X 10.1 by deusx · · Score: 2

    Nope, OS X is the brand name, v10.1 is the actual version.

  36. Screen Resolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He runs his laptop in 800x600? BAH! True laptops run in 1400x1050 like mine! And if XP doesn't take up his whole screen, then it must be in 640x480, which is like, so, um, 1994.
    Moderate this post to troll!

  37. Re:Mirror - corrected! by sanity_slipping · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Hopefully it can handle it. :)

    You can definitely handle it if you put a space in the uri.

    http://www.webcache.org/a/2001/10/27/www.mystati ci p.com/homebrew/index.html

    That's better. =]
    I think it's a pretty cool picture myself... wish my Windows looked that cool, hehe. (I'm referring to the sidebar. I've never gotten litestep to look that good.)

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  38. Re:Mirror - corrected! or not! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is great - surely youve realized that you cant just post links anymore right? It automatically inserts a space.

    Why? I dont know - apparently its anti-troll or something.

  39. Island in a lake in an island in a lake by uncadonna · · Score: 1

    in a continent, on an ocean... There's one at the top of Green Bay. Is that the most levels?

    More to the point: Since everyone is making the same joke about running emulators in emulators, what's the record for number of OSes running inside other OSes? Has anyone actually hit the fourth level, say?

    Just idle curiosity...

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  40. Useful Link by moosesocks · · Score: 4, Informative

    Emaculation.com Is one of the most popular mac-emulation sites on the net and has useful information on setting up Mac emulators (currently, there is no ppc software-based mac emulator :-( )

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    1. Re:Useful Link by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      While www.emulation.net is the webpage for emulators on the Mac.

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      To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck

  41. Re:Mirror - corrected! or not! by ecampbel · · Score: 2

    Spaces aren't just added links. Slashcode or whatever they call it puts a space in any long word,so that posts can't ruin the discussion's format.

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    Sig goes here
  42. Emulate my brain! by Bongo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well hey, I beowulfed some neuronal organisms to form a neural cord, on top of which I then booted a reptilian brain stem. Then we emulated a limbic system, and added a running neocortex. Lastly, we mounted a full complex neocortex image!
    Now it can eat, kill, fu*k, feel happy and sad, do basic math and wonder about the meaning of life.
    Next we're trying to see if we've got enough spare cycles to initialise some basic psychic/saintly procedures...
    Mind you, performance is terrible. Aggressive funcions are very quick, but it seems permanently stuck in a loop in some lower subroutine concerning sex, while taking forever to compute simple empathy matrices.
    We're seriously considering a complete cold reboot, but then it did once turn water into wine. Maybe we should just leave it running, what do you think?

  43. Re:OS X 10.1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then why don't OS X versions start at 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, ... like every other software?

  44. Re:Mirror - corrected! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    uh, try this.

  45. Because creativity is dead! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why else would this be floating around... (I first saw this in 1994):

    It's time to tell the truth about Smurfs You see, Smurfs are a lot like
    other folks; they have dreams and ambitions, deep, thoughtful
    conversations with each other, and good and bad times. "But," people ask,
    "do Smurfs have..... you know,..... *sex*?" The answer is an emphatic and
    resounding YES! And why shouldn't they? They're people, too.
    What *most* people don't know is why Smurfs are blue. Well, the reason is
    because SMurfs only have sex once a year. Face it: if you only had sex
    once a year, you'd be blue, too. Once a year, in the Smurf village, flags
    and banners fly happily in the breeze, proclaiming that the day of the
    annual Smuckfest has arrived. Birds sing and the Sun comes out to watch,
    despite the weatherSmurf's direst predictions. I guess good ol' Mr.
    Sun is a voyeur. In the middle of town, Papa Smurf gives a brief speech
    explaining the origin of the Smuckfest; how Dr. C. Everett Koop came to
    the village and warned allthe Smurfs about AIDS. Papa Smurf knew that
    no one made condoms small enough for a Smurf (even though everyone knows
    that all male Smurfs are uniformly well-hung, for their size), so he
    decreed that all Smurfs would only smuck one day a year. Smucking one
    day a year will help us identity any diseases we may transmit to one
    another, and keep them from spreading to the animals in the forest ,"
    proclaimed Papa Smurf. "Besides, it will give Smurfette a chance to rest."
    Yes! Smurfette must rest. For, as everyone knows, Smurfette is the only
    female Smurf in the village, and after a full day of having vigorous,rabid
    sex with two hundred cunt-crazed little blue men, she needs a break. So,
    on the appointed day, Papa Smurf bids everyone throw their inhibitions
    to the wind and immerse themselves in debauchery. And, as is his privilege,
    Papa Smurf throws out the first throe. At his signal, Smurfette unties
    the skintight blue band she must wear to suppress her natural bustiness,
    and her astounding tits spring forth into the daylight. The Sun gleams
    lecherously on the smooth, blue flesh, nipples crinkling in the light of
    day from her soon-to-be-unbridled lust. Then Smurfette shimmies out of
    her skirt and stands before the crowd, naked as the day she was born,
    save the spike-heeled white boots she has donned just for the occasion.
    Her long, blonde hair cascades down her back and lasciviously outlines
    her buttocks, clinging like a dirty old man's gaze to each curve and dimple.
    Her cunt winks lewdly from behind the golden shield of pubic glory, already
    glistening in mad anticipation of each and every raging rod it would receive
    that day. And receive them gladly it would, for hers is the indefatigable
    furburger, and she hungered for the sauce blended in the heat of passion.
    Smurfette turns to Papa Smurf and lifts her stupendous breasts with their
    turgid nipples to his lips. He takes each one, in turn, into his mouth,
    where his toungue dances the Fabulous Fandango around the areolae, as
    Smurfette moans like a cat in heat. Then when Smurfette can take no more,
    Papa Smurf drops to his bony little knees and sprinkles his magic
    deSmurfilating dust on Smurfette's engorged cunt lips. Presto! The
    lovely blond braiding material falls from her, leaving her shaved smooth
    as a hard-boiled egg. "Oh, Papa Smurf!" she cries. "Encore!! Encore!!,"
    as she writhes in anticipation of the Fabulous Furless Fandango danced
    'round her pulsating pussy. Papa Smurf does not disappoint the damsel in
    distress; he slides his hands under her tight little blue ass and parts
    her moistness with his thumbs. As the hot, funky juices begin to run down
    his arms, he plunges tongue-first and tonsil-deep into her wiggling
    womanhood. Smurfette gasps as the talented tongue begins to do its
    magic, and her cunt clutches at it like a baby bird after a worm.
    Cradling his head to her crotch, Smurfette's hips begin to slowly grind
    and twitch, for Papa Smurf's tongue has unerringly found her s-spot, and
    Smurfette begins the slow, hot, agonizing rise to ecstasy. "Oh, make me
    smurf, baby, make me smurf!", she pants, each stroke of his tongue causing
    her to throb and clutch. As Smurfette's moans and cries rise in pitch
    higher and higher, the crowd gazes in amazement at the mighty mound of
    meat struggling to escape from Papa Smurf's pants. This, then, is the
    lengendary Trouser Titian, bulging forth in a determined attempt to split
    the barrier. Just when Smurfette is certain that she will die from sheer
    sensory overload, Papa Smurf flings off his Levis and frees the Magnificant
    Heat-Seeking Moisture Missle from its cradle. Maddened with blind lust,
    Smurfette hurls Papa Smurf to the platform and leaps shrieking into the
    air, landing unerringly on his Titanic Totem. Suddenly filled,
    Smurfette's cunt explodes in a monster orgasm, the force of which propels
    her screaming into the air again and again, each time plummeting her onto
    the Potent Purple Pecker and triggering another climax. Before Smurfette
    can achieve orbit, Papa Smurf grab her legs and pulls her to the ground.
    Swiftly, he stands, pulling her to her knees. Grasping in awe, Smurfette
    gets a head-on view of his hard-on, glistening in the light
    like a war staff. The sight of this shinning stud is too much for
    Smurfette, who immediately grabs both of Papa Smurf's bulging balls in
    her hands and pulls him to her waiting mouth. With preternatural skill
    and primeval hunger, Smurfette devours the monster cock, licking and
    sucking like a starving child with an ice cream cone. His ass knotting
    like a silor's anchor rope, Papa Smurf pounds into Smurfette's mouth with
    furious strokes. As he reaches his blazing climax , he forces Smurfette
    to take all thirteen and 7/8ths inches of blue tube steak and fires round
    after pulsing round of blue goo down her ravenous throat. "Hurray!!",
    shouts the crowd. "Now it's OUR turn!!" Suddenly the town square erupts
    with scenes of azure carnality, as 200 tiny blue asses appear in the
    sunlight. 200 raging cocks swarm toward Smurfette's waiting and
    ever-willing cunt, ready to make her scream for mercy as they scream for
    more. 400 bouncing balls follow each other to the nearest available
    orifice, making Smurfette wish there were more of her. Those lucky enough
    to find access to Smurfette's fabulous form begin their crazed humping,
    as others find their schlongs being stroked as fast as she can grab.
    Those who will come later are coming now, as their friends clutch lustily
    at their forbidden fruits, flinging frothy fuck-foam far and wide . Up
    the ass! Down the throat! Backhand, forehand, underhand, in the armpit
    or behind the knee, the Smurfs erupt in a display of orgasmic prowess to
    shame the most devoted student of the Kama Sutra. Soon the street becomes
    hazardous to navigate (and navigate one must), as the square gets deeper and
    deeper in the collective come. Hour after hour, the orgy rampages on.
    Gradually, as night falls, the screams of orgasmic ecstasy turn to the moans
    and sighs of ddep contentment, with the occasional whimper from an
    over-enthusiastic sodomite. Soon all is quiet, as Smurf helps Smurf back
    to home and Preparation H. Tubes of Chap-stick are quickly distributed to
    soothe aching lips, and aloe gel is applied (as are lips, if it is too
    stimulating) to the citizen's members to ease the burning. As the
    exhausted (and completely sated) Smurfs lie in sexual stupor, gentle
    rains come (not them, too!) to wash away all traces of the fleshfeast
    that was.

    And you wondered why Smurfs are always in such a good mood...
    hotter than Georgia asphalt.

  46. Re:Been there done that... by morcheeba · · Score: 1

    It's odd that there's a map in Myth II with the same name as a church I go.

    So, is it The Church of the long awaited drinking party or The Church of Limbs, Heads, and Smoking Craters? Either way, sign me up!

  47. YOU MISUNDERSTAND OOG by OOG_THE_CAVEMAN+on · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    G FTN MSNDRSTD BY SLASHDT SRS AND MDRATRS BCAS G SPND ALL TM N CAV SMKNG CAV WD AND ATNG FSH HADS. G LV N MCH DFFRNT WRLD FRM YR PARNT'S BASMNT!!! G LV FF FXD NCM F 5000 FSH HADS A WK AND NFRTNATLY CANNT AFFRD XPNSV PRPRTARY APPL HARDWAR WTHT BRAKNG A FW HADS! LF S HARD DRNG CAV RCSSN AND G CANNT GT JB AND LVS N CAV WLFAR!! AND G NLY TLL TRTH, T S NT G'S FALT THAT STV JBS SMKS CRACK!!!

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    OOG THE OPEN SOURCE CAVEMAN!!! OOG BREAK HEAD WITH OPEN SOURCE DVD!!!
  48. the source... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for this and other silly things: http://www.punchit.net:8080/~chris/text/

  49. NOT TRUE!!! by OOG_THE_CAVEMAN+on · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    TR, G SRNM S DFFRNT AND D S NW, BT G LS PASSWRD WHN CMPTR BRAK AND LS CK FR SLASHDT!!! G ND SMLAR-LKNG SRNAM BT MST WR ALRADY TAKN BY MTATRS!!! G S RAL, JST ASK YR MM WH G CLBBD AND BRGHT BACK T CAV LAST NGHT!!! F G CAN RMMBR LD PASSWRD R SLASHDT FXS G'S MAL S G CAN RTRV T, G WLL HAPPLY S LD SRNAM!!! NFRTNATLY G MST S CHAP SBSTTT N MANTM!!! G'S MMRY S NFRTNATLY CLDD BY LNG CMA FRM SMKNG BAD CAV WD!!!!!

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    OOG THE OPEN SOURCE CAVEMAN!!! OOG BREAK HEAD WITH OPEN SOURCE DVD!!!
  50. Good God.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just purged from my bowels the burrito orgy lunch I had at Taco Bell...

    Didn't flush so my co-workers can admire my work..

  51. Re: The question I'm sure you're asking now is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The question I'm asking is 'when the fuck are you fuckheads going to get a god-damned life'?

  52. Why stop there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    The funnerest thing to do is to see how many layers of emulators you can nest and still get a working game or application. Extra points if the final emulation is an emulation of the original base OS :) I still like to fire up the Apple ][e edition of Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego... on a emulated Apple ][e running under an emulated DOS running under Linux. Works great.

  53. Re:Behold the power of XP!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    REAL men are completely satisfied by Windows 3.0, circa 1990. Not 3.1, boobstick, THREEE POINT OHHHHHHHHH!!!

    I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay.

    I'm a HOMO, truck-drivin' man!

  54. Emulators for MacOS by Arkham · · Score: 3, Informative
    www.emulation.net is the best site around for Mac users. They have links to every mac emulator under the sun, from Palm to Playstation to Amiga. They do Arcade machines, Computers, Consoles, and Handheld devices.

    With this site someone could make a MUCH better picture than the one shown.

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    - Vincit qui patitur.
    1. Re:Emulators for MacOS by green+pizza · · Score: 2

      Emulation.net rocks! Not only has John Stiles put together a great website, he has also done many of the ports to Mac OS and has even written a few unique games (such as Candy Crisis - http://www.candycrisis.com).

  55. an important message by VAXGeek · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    |.- - - -- - - -.| | | |&nbsp *BSD IS | | DYING | | _ _ _ _ __ _ | ' - -- . . - - - ' | _|/ | ." ". | /(o)-(o)\ /_)| / | |_)| '- | \_)\ '.___.' / |\/|_ | \ \_/ / _| '/ |_\ \.___./ \ ) / \ \_/\__/\__ ==| \ \ /\ /\ `\ | \ \\// \ | `\ /\ / | ; | \____/ | | |

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    1. Re:an important message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you passed out masturbating and listening to old styx albums again, didn't you vax_GEEK_? You're getting those strange dreams again...

    2. Re:an important message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha haha.. God damn, maybe I'm just in a goofy mood but that cracked me up. Bravo !!

    3. Re:an important message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, when I do a view sorce and copy the html for that into a file, then save it as html, then view it in my browser the spacing is all fucked up? What am I doing wrong?

    4. Re:an important message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you probably didn't copy the tag.

  56. Re:Mirror - corrected! or not! by t · · Score: 1
    Geez this comes up every damn time. It is because of idiots like this. I had a similar rant long ago about this but the user history doesn't go far enough back or show any of the content of the post making it damn impossible to find anything. I suppose if I kept my rants on topic it would be easier.

    t.

  57. Neat. by mindstrm · · Score: 2

    The release of XP caused me to fire up VMWare once again.

    I have to say.. I'm quite impressed by VMWare. Very solid product.

    I was demonstrating remote X displays to a friend... from the solarisx86 box he's been playing with.

    I showed him how to bring up a gnome desktop (running on redhat7, running on vmware on win2k) on his solaris box.

    I was very surprised at the performance.

  58. There actually is some use here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have an OSX G4 desktop and a linux server. I need to run lots of different apps from different OSs, and can put the following on the same desktop:

    a. Mac OS X Apps (aaah, better than my retired NeXT)

    b. Mac Classic Apps (Dreamweaver, Photoshop)

    c. X Apps from either OS X or Linux (GIMP, GRIP, others)

    d. Win/98 Apps using Win4Lin on the Linux box with the X Display on the Mac (MS Outlook)

    Not wanting to start a religious war, but IMHO Gnome and K still have a long ways to go to catch up with the ease of use and power of Aqua, and Aqua is only marginally better than NeXTStep which is now almost 10 years old!

  59. Interesting news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow look at my *nix like system!! It can finally do something usefull!! I can run Windows XP within it!!

  60. No it doesn't! Here's the source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Dayam! I love MacOS X!

    Dayam! I LOVE MacOS X

    Below are links to screenshots showing Mac OS X 10.1
    running XFree86 rootless with IceWM running BasiliskII [running MacOS 7.6], VPC test
    drive running WinXP and ircle



    Picture 2 [jpg] - Good Detail


    Copyright 2001 Tappa Kegga Brew Enterprises

    Lesson #3 Anthracks: smoke less crack.

  61. Re:OS X 10.1 by Patrix · · Score: 1

    you mean like NT that started at version 3.1? Or (correct me if I'm wrong) SuSE Linux that started at version 4.something ?

  62. No it doesn't! Here's the source... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    <HTML>

    <HEAD>
    <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html;CHARSET=iso-8859-1">
    <META NAME="GENERATOR" Content="Symantec Visual Page Mac 1.1.1">
    <TITLE>Dayam! I love MacOS X!</TITLE>
    </HEAD>

    <BODY BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF">

    <H1 ALIGN="CENTER"><FONT SIZE="7" FACE="Arial">Dayam! I LOVE MacOS X</FONT></H1>
    <P><FONT SIZE="4" FACE="Tahoma">Below are links to screenshots showing Mac OS X 10.1
    running XFree86 rootless with IceWM running BasiliskII [running MacOS 7.6], VPC test
    drive running WinXP and ircle</FONT><BR>
    </P>

    <P><A HREF="desktop.jpg"><FONT FACE="Tahoma">Picture 2 [jpg] - Good Detail</FONT></A>
    <P><BR><FONT FACE="Tahoma"> Copyright 2001 Tappa Kegga Brew Enterprises</font>
    </BODY>

    </HTML>

    Lesson #3 Anthracks: smoke less crack.

  63. Maybe i've missed something here.... by t_allardyce · · Score: 1

    Mac OS X
    WindowsXP
    X-Windows?

    Is there some kind of pattern.. What is it? Why is it? I'm scared :(

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    1. Re:Maybe i've missed something here.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      x-actly

    2. Re:Maybe i've missed something here.... by TomK32 · · Score: 0

      you forgot:
      Linux
      Tux
      LaTeX

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  64. MacOSX rules! by chevell · · Score: 1

    This is a great feasability test of MacOSX and a wonderful display of current technologies availabile for the platform. Awesome results, too! Long live OSX!
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  65. I'm on to you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HomeBrewR is an op on #macfilez, and a real dickhead if I may say so myself(and I can, because I'm anonymous)

    seriously, all the ops there are dicks. DICKS. holy shit they really are. #macfilez is good for warez, but those people are so damn elitist and annoying. fuck all #macfilez opz

    1. Re:I'm on to you by skullY · · Score: 1
      (*sigh, this doesn't deserve a response, but....)

      Welcome to IRC, please drive through.....

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    2. Re:I'm on to you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been on IRC for like 5 years+, and nowhere are the people as big assholes as in #macfilez. #warez950, the PC chan, has nice people. #macfiles, the other big Mac chan, has nice people. I've hung out in many other channels about various computer and non-computer topics, and the #macfilez people are the worst

      they are almost all complete dicks

  66. Re:OS X 10.1 by Darth+Hubris · · Score: 1

    Yep. WinXP is Windows 2002 v 5.1.2600. Which translates to Windows NT 5.1 [Windows 2002] build 2600.

    Windows NT 3.1 was the first version, because Windows 3.1 was realeased at the same time, and they didn't want people to think that WinNT was a lesser version, hence no NT 1.0.

    Anyway, if you have to run Windows, run Win2000. WinXP is evil.

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  67. What a loser you are Homebrewer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To quote one of a geek's favorite sci fi actors "Have you even kissed a girl?"

  68. windows versions are fucking me up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    seriously I can not understand this and there are no faqs about it. does anyone have any simple kind of outline or chronology on what's what?!

  69. Re:Island in a lake in an island in a lake - Yes, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Goto:

    http://linas.org/linux/i370.html

    Take a gander at:

    http://penguinvm.princeton.edu/hercules/index.ht ml
    shows OS/360 MFT running on the Hercules System/370 emulator on Linux/390 running as a guest machine in VM/ESA

    Satisfied?

  70. big whoop by posmon · · Score: 2, Informative
    old concept, new operating systems, as the quote below shows. hardly worth all the fuss though.
    I've done a ZX81 emulator running on a Spectrum emulator running on a Mac emulator running on an Amiga emulator running on a 333 MHz PC. The Spectrum runs at about 10% normal speed, but the Mac goes almost as fast as the Mac emu straight on the PC. This is due to the way the Mac emu works on an Amiga - they both share the same processor, and so a lot of the emulation can be bypassed for the Mac to directly use the Amiga's CPU.
    Source
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    1. Re:big whoop by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Indeed, the Mac emulator "shapeshifter" running on the Amiga used to turn in benchmark results about 1% quicker than a real mac using the same cpu.. display performance was always poor tho, Macs used very different formats for storing display data in ram, which required costly conversion.

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    2. Re:big whoop by Bert64 · · Score: 0

      Ohh also, Amiga`s were available with the 68060 cpu, where macs went from the 68040 to the PPC, in these days the 68060 ran m68k code (99% of mac apps) much faster than any PPC mac could emulate it. Coupled with a mac style display card, The amiga was the most performant system for running mac 68k apps..

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  71. Bored at work, I wish. by Bender+Unit+22 · · Score: 1

    what I was able to do in one bored day at work

    I guess someone are lucky, I don't think that I have had a day like that for a year.
    Why oh why must I work for a IT company that does not suffer from the downtrend. Sigh.. :-)

  72. Re:Been there done that... by ThatComputerGuy · · Score: 1

    but rarely did I actually need them all at once.

    But I bet it's nice to know it WILL all work together for those rare times when you need it.

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  73. Big Deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Big deal. I've done several things like this on my intel-based linux box... e.g. Linux running vmware running Windows, and also running Basilisk II (with JIT support), and KEGS (IIgs Emulator), along with gtktiemu (TI-89), and a couple others... and then you bring the Apple emulators to the top, take a screenshot, and paste the words "Think Different" to it.

  74. Mac OS X 10.1 & Performance in general. by wdavies · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hi,

    First off, this is slightly off-topic. I just wanted to relate my experience with 10.1 last week. I got a copy after months of procrastination and installed it on a G3 450mhz (the Blue and White type). I'd also like to note that I'm not really trying to start a flame war. I am a big fan of *nixes in general (I first worked on a PDP11 running some kind of Nix back in 82), I am also (strangely for a nix zealot) a huge Mac fan. I'm not a big fan of any Nix GUI nor of windows. Mainly I'm posting this because for the first time in several jaded years, something in mainstream Computing made me go "Wow!". Forget the iPod. The experience below hasjust made me decide that OSX is an incredible achievement.

    The install was the easiest I have ever done, especially amazing considering there is a *Nix beneath. I went from 9.0 to 9.1, 9.1 to 10, 10 to 10.1 and finally upgraded the 9.1 to 9.2 The only hiccup was that I only got developer tools for 10.0 -- they don't work with 10.1 -- and although I bought a 10.1 Installation, that kit didnt come with 10.1 developers tools -- download from connect.apple.com.

    So far so good -- it isn't rocket fast, but not slow enough to impair productivity at all.

    My long term aim is a Powerbook running my work development environment which is Dynamo and Weblogic based. I really dislike my Tecra 8100.

    So, the rest of the afternoon I checked out our CVS tree -- all 300 Megs.... Yes -- I was able to switch to ZSH, and access CVS via SSH without installing a single piece of software (other than creating a zshenv with CVSROOT etc set).

    Next day I started a build, and after a couple of minor hitches (differences with FIND and RM, and PERL in the wrong place (bin not local/bin), I had a clean build. Took a little while, but by the end of the afternoon I had a ATG Dynamo server running our web applications....

    Amazingly simple. Everything just *WORKED*.

    My only problem is that Java based disk access is *VERY SLOW*.

    I did some basic benchmarks against my Toshiba Tecra (650 mhz). The Mac (450mhz) during Memory and CPU based processing ran about the same speed as the 650mhz.
    However disk access was twice as slow as the laptop -- anyone got any ideas ? Recall I installed on a pre-existing HFS+ disk that had OS9.1 on it. Can anyone recommend a disk tuning utility ? Should I rebuild from scratch with a different disk format?

    In Summary -- OS X 10.1 rocks if you want to use Java 1.3 in a Unix environment - project Builder looks sweet , though I haven't played with it. 2 easy days work and I had a new development environment. I think it took me a month or so with my Redhat 6.2 on that Tecra.

    All I want now is a Quartz/Carbon based Emacs :) oh yeah, that and a Titanium powerbook so I can trash that fscking Tecra :-)

    Winton

  75. Re:OS X 10.1 by Squarewav · · Score: 1

    on a video on cnet jobs called it as macos 10.1 he dint call it macos X at all, this was a at a mac world expo demoing the .1 upgrade

  76. Re:Isn't That Great by Superx22 · · Score: 0

    Hey Guys-

    I think that you guys may have mistaken sincerity for sarcasm. Plus the reasons I want IPOD is it is cheap and has tons of space, and its small.

    So dont be so damm ignorant you are the fools assholes

  77. Re:Mac OS X 10.1 & Performance in general. by Canyon+Rat · · Score: 1

    If you actually bought the 10.1 (X.i) disks, either the $130 new version or the $20 upgrade version, you should have a Dev tools CD. It's no different than what's on Apple's web site though.

    HFS+ is the fastest MOSX file format right now. With all those installs you may have fragmented one of the directory trees, either the catalog tree or the extents tree,especially if you went for the one partition setup. Installing CodeWarrior can also trash your catalog files.

    Try downloading the time limited demo of SpeedDisk from Symantec's site. If it doesn't make your G3 run faster, you aren't out anything. TechTools and a few others can also fix this problem but, IIRC, they don't have free demos.

  78. Re:OS X 10.1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's called mac os ten, X is the roman numeral for ten. Ten is perfectly logical being that 9 came before it.

  79. Getting Xfree86 running on MacOS X by Raffaello · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The easiest way to do this is to go to:

    http://www.macosxhints.com

    There is a PDF file that details how to get and install fink, then xfree (with the rootless patch), then your favorite window manager.

  80. Imposter alert by Darby · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Look at the user number.
    This is *not* the real OOG.
    It would be great to see him back here, but this is an imposter.

  81. Not that obvious (?) by fractaltiger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    IMHO, the pattern is:

    X-windows was here first. It works with Unix or Linux. So apple sees sees the similarity and takes advantage of being the only mainstream OS near a 9.0 release, so since they are already thinking Uni(x), they switch from version 10.0 to X in the label. Maybe the X has to do with the X in Unix also :)

    And then, XP comes in when Microsoft sees that the MacOs is picking up pace. Apparently, we don't need to wait 3 years for MS to upgrade a version: 95 -> 98 -> ME -> 2000 -> 2001.

    Windows 2001 is XP because they had to stick the X to not suffer from what would have otherwise been a bad looking name. And they had to copy the OS X candy interface to seem boldy innovative.

    It pains me that version numbers and now version NAMES are so important, because Netscape 6 [5th release of Netscape catching up to AOL 5 and 6] and MSN 5 [3rd release of MSN internet catching up to AOL 5.0] break version naming rules to catch up to more advanced software... version-wise at least. That's the pattern I see.

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    1. Re:Not that obvious (?) by t_allardyce · · Score: 1

      So to sum up... X-Windows is fine, no problem with that. Mac OS X are actually using the roman numeral X instead of 10.. therefore OS 11 will be XI etc... except the PR who thought of this master plan will have left and no-one will remember why they really called it X, so the next version will be X-2/or X-II. Windows XP - if someone could tell me what X.P. stood for i would be happy, otherwise i think they are just seeking attention.

      I like the non-commercial approach where there are no deadlines to meet or tacky marketing PR people to mess up and new versions x.x.2 x.x.4 etc... appear every month or so to fix bugs.

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    2. Re:Not that obvious (?) by Quila · · Score: 2

      Netscape 5 was in the works, but it was trashed part of the way through in favor of a complete rewrite.

      Microsoft played leapfrog with Word purely for marketing reasons to catch up with WordPerfect's version number, just as you say.

      Adobe went from Illustrator 4 on the PC to 7 for the PC to get their different platform versions straight (AI for Mac was at 6 while PC was at 4).

      And MS didn't copy the OS X GUI, they just made a really pathetic attempt at doing it. OS X represents a completely new way of rendering the screen, but MS just tried to make XP look like it using the same old GDI.

    3. Re:Not that obvious (?) by bursch-X · · Score: 1

      I think it's simply because many of the UNIXen have an X somewhere in the name, maybe they think it's cool.

      UNIX, QNX, Lynx OS, IRIX, XENIX, Linux, NeXTSTEP, Mac OS X

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  82. Done by others years ago by EchoMirage · · Score: 1
    I pulled a similar feat years ago on much lesser hardware and covered all three major OS's. Running on a PowerBook Duo 270c, which IIRC is a 68030 @ 25 MHz w/ 24 MB RAM and a 240 MB hard drive I ran:

    MacOS 7.5.5

    SoftPC w/ DOS 5 and Windows 3.x

    MachTen Unix

    I know others are able to similar things very easily, and on a variety of hardware and platforms. Multi-OS emulation is nothing interesting, really. The trick is to settle upon one operating system that does what you need it to and work with that.

    (And I'm sure somebody will be happy to point out the Linux is that OS. Good for you.)

  83. Re:Mac OS X 10.1 & Performance in general. by jacrawf · · Score: 1
    All I want now is a Quartz/Carbon based Emacs :) oh yeah, that and a Titanium powerbook so I can trash that fscking Tecra :-)
    Ditto. XEmacs preferrably. Just to aggravate RMS you understand.

    You might want to look into picking up an iBook if you're not keen on dropping $2500-3500 on the Powerbook though. I've got the 500 MHz white iBook and it runs OS X 10.1 quite well. (In fact, I am pleased enough with 10.1's performance that I don't even have OS 9 installed on disk anymore.)

    You're not the only Unixhead who likes Macs, by the way... (-:

  84. Laugh If You Will by Motheius · · Score: 0

    But OSX is BSD based and fully functional so that even a ``Mac-user'' can use it with out any knowledge of the underlying OS technology. Weren'there some GPLd Linux products out there trying to do this? Looks like they failed.

  85. MacOSX 1.1 by ZigMonty · · Score: 1
    My Personal feeling is that we should drop the "10" crap all together. MacOSX is not the next evolution of MacOS 7-8-9-etc, it is an entirely different operating system.

    IMHO the current version should be called MacOSX 1.1 (Mac Oh es ex). Remember, Apple tried to get us to pronounce SCSI as sexy. Just ignore them.

    Also, it wouldn't be X.1 it'd be X.I (Roman numerals)

    1. Re:MacOSX 1.1 by gig · · Score: 2

      > MacOSX is not the next evolution of MacOS
      > 7-8-9-etc, it is an entirely different operating
      > system.

      No, that's not true at all. The Carbon API is on both Mac OS 9 and Mac OS X, and the same apps run in both places, on the same hardware, with the same users. There is plenty of Mac in Mac OS X.

      What is so hard about "Mac OS X (version 10.1, build 5L14)"? The "Mac OS X" is for users and marketers, and the "version 10.1, build 5L14" is for developers and geeks. Everybody is happy.

  86. KDE?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has anyone gotten KDE to work under this system? I'd like to run the Acqua theme on top of the real thing for comparison. ;-j

  87. "Why do this?" by saintlupus · · Score: 2

    For all the whiners asking why someone would do this, I'm rather glad he did. I've been holding off on installing Fink on my main machine pending some sort of horror story. Nice to see it works this cleanly. In fact, I just finished installing it on my iMac.

    (Not that I expect it to be a patch on the NetBSD package system, but it's a nice start, at least.)

    --saint

  88. Kewl FreeBSD/MacOS X 10.1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kewl FreeBSD/MacOS X 10.1 box, I want one of those!

  89. Re:Mac OS X 10.1 & Performance in general. by wdavies · · Score: 1

    Thanks both of you! I'll check out Speed disk!

    As for the iBook -- Hmmm -- I found the keyboard/trackpad ergonomics kind of weird -- may be I should give it another go. The other thing wrong with it seems to be the underpowered graphics chip.

    I do like its weight/size though..

    Cheers,
    Winton

  90. Re:Mac OS X 10.1 & Performance in general. by itachi · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately, all of the powerbooks with lift-up keyboards (I think that's all of them since the first g3 powerbook, and I know that it's all of them since the beige/translucent keyed g3pb) use the same itsy-bitsy laptop keyboard. Which makes sense, it's just far too tiny, and it means that all of the powerbooks have the same ergo problems. Even the current tiBook, which has a huge amount of real estate to work with, has this problem. For real use that isn't on the road, you'll probably want to get a full sized keyboard and mouse... Having said that, I sold my athlon 1gig to pay for my iBook, and it was the best computing choice I've made in ages. 3 cheers for being x86 free...

    itachi

  91. Games that OS 8 broke... by GPS+Pilot · · Score: 1
    Actually I'm most nostalgic for a game that's so old, System 6 broke it! I blew many an hour in college playing Lunar Rescue on a Mac SE... it's on Macworld columnist Chris Breen's list of Top Ten Mac games of all time, and nothing before or since has gotten the adrenaline pumping as much.

    Does anyone else remember this game? Or better yet, does anyone know who the author was (so I can bug him to Carbonize it : ) or where I can download it for use with vMac?

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  92. Re:OS X 10.1 by gig · · Score: 2

    > Then why don't OS X versions start at 1.0,
    > 1.1, 1.2, ... like every other software?

    How about because it's the tenth version of Mac OS? The version before Mac OS X is Mac OS 9.

  93. Re:Mac OS X 10.1 & Performance in general. by White+Roses · · Score: 1

    A little late I am sure, but Apple generally doesn't install the fastest disks out there. You might try getting a newer disk that spins at some much higher RPM. IIRC, most mac disks are 7200RPM disks. If you have IDE in the B&W G3 (not sure, I know the G4's are IDE, but I can't recall G3 specs at the moment), get a 15k drive and use FWB's Harddisk Toolkit to set it up. Then it should be smoking fast.

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  94. Re:Mac OS X 10.1 & Performance in general. by erotus · · Score: 1

    "All I want now is a Quartz/Carbon based Emacs :) oh yeah, that and a Titanium powerbook so I can trash that fscking Tecra :-)"

    well, go on down to
    http://emacs-on-aqua.sourceforge.net/

    It looks promising.

  95. Re:Mac OS X 10.1 & Performance in general. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually most mac hard drives these days are 4400 rpm. A 7200 rpm drive seems to add a 100 mhz to your computer