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Slash 2.2.0 Released

If you meander over to Slashcode, you will notice that Slash 2.2.0 has been released. This is of course the website engine that runs Slashdot. The release has the message system, improved journal functions, new comment filters, and countless bug fixes. And of course a variety of optimizations that continue to make it possible to serve a quantity of pages that no other open source package like this can even touch :) Plus it's way easier to install. Now that we've got the Fry tree out of the way, its off to work on Zoidberg (which will include subscriptions, killfiles, and a few surprises)

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  1. Changelog lacks any real value. by Neutron_F1uX · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "More changes to stats report" Bug fix changes, or just changes? It'd be pretty nice if the changelog was a little more detailed. When there are a whopping 4 entries in it, you could give a little bit more detail.

    1. Re:Changelog lacks any real value. by devphil · · Score: 3, Interesting


      When I give my indoctrination spiel, uh, er, "training lecture" on CVS to coworkers and lackeys, I usually hand down a list of requirements for log/commit messages and a ChangeLog entry.

      Most of the time it's a variation on http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/changelogs/guile -changelogs_toc.html, or sometimes the rules used for ChangeLogs in the GCC project, which I've found to be of immense value when tracking down changes.

      Personally I can't stand changelogs that don't say a thing. It's just enough "open source" to look good, but not open enough to actually invite help.

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  2. A nice surprice wuold be: by CptnHarlock · · Score: 4, Troll
    If the box called "No Score +1 Bonus" became "I really wanna use my KH bonus"... Then noone could blame posting at +1 because of "forgetting" to mark the No Bonus Checkbox. Please Taco!?.. :) .. Just for the sake of it I'm "forgetting" to uncheck the box... Only to illustrate my point that is.. Err.. whatever..

    Cheers..

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    1. Re:A nice surprice wuold be: by Russ+Steffen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Another nice suprise would be to have posting at +1 cost a point a karma.

  3. Question... by EnglishTim · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd like to be able to put in an URL something like

    http://slashdot.org/frontpage.pl?commentthresh=5 &s tyle=light

    and have it give me slashdot in 'light' format, with comments in the stories as 5 & over only.

    The reason for this is that I want to get Slashdot on Avantgo, but obviously I have different viewing requierments on my Palm than I have on my desktop.

    Is there any way of doing this with Slash 2.2?
    I know there wasn't in the old Slash 1.x ...

    1. Re:Question... by michael · · Score: 5, Informative

      http://slashdot.org/palm/ doesn't do it for you?

    2. Re:Question... by AntiFreeze · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is what I use. The source code is available. Quite helpful. Enjoy.

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  4. Re:So when is /. going to get a facelift? by the+Man+in+Black · · Score: 3, Funny

    Not that there's anything wrong with the current appearance, it's just time for a change.

    How very Microsoft-ian of you.

  5. "A few surprises" by BarefootClown · · Score: 5, Funny

    Any chacne one of thoes sprises could be a web itnerface to aspel?

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  6. Add sub-categories to main page by crow · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I want to be able to set my preferences to include stories that only appear in certain sub-categories (Science and Ask Slashdot) on the main page as if they were full-fledged main stories.

  7. Kill funny messages by crow · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm still waiting for the option to recalculate the point value for articles based on my own preferences. I want funny to count as +0.

    1. Re:Kill funny messages by ralmeida · · Score: 3, Funny

      LOL! Someone mod this +0, Funny!

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    2. Re:Kill funny messages by krow · · Score: 3, Informative

      That is somewhere with one of the next couple of items I will toss in. Expect it sometime in the next couple of weeks (I have other changes that I want to go in at the same time).

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    3. Re:Kill funny messages by ftobin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm still waiting for the option to recalculate the point value for articles based on my own preferences. I want funny to count as +0.

      I find it hilariously ironic that I and many others would have never seen this message if it hadn't been modded +5. By getting people going directly against the author's proposal he get more people to see it.

  8. ...Slash code has a... by ekrout · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...Slash code has a variety of new improvements for users and administrators alike!

    For example, the new SlashTag &ltgoatsex>, which saves you the tedium of having to do all that HREF and HTTP:// stuff.

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  9. How about an NNTP gateway? I'll gladly subscribe. by Dast · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Taco, I've posted this before, but I will post it again. I would be willing to pay for an ad-free, subscription based NNTP gateway to slashdot. I think something in the range of $5-10 US / month or maybe $50 US for a whole year would be reasonable, as long as there aren't any ads and it works with GNUS. (I know GNUS has a /. backend, but it sucks, sorry. I don't want to worry about parsing html to get the content into GNUS.)

    Think about it, cause there isn't anything else you could offer me that I would pay for.

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  10. Improvement suggestions: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    * Lose the lameness filter. It is lame. Why? Because it
    a) doesn't deter trolls but
    b) does annoy legitimate posters.

    * Separate karma moderation from comment moderation, eg. a plagiarizing post could be moderated interesting, yet the poster's karma could be modded down.

    * Kill the CowboyNeal cop-out poll option. It hasn't been funny for, oh I dunno, about a year or so.

    * Add year to (at least some of) the dates. Currently the only way to determine the year in which a given story or a post was made is to look at the URL, which is just plain dumb.

    * Improve the search. Finer details of this left as an excersise.

    * Add a link to stories that leads to the "daily issue" of Slashdot when the story appeared. Currently the only way to see the full Slashdot for a given day is, if I'm not mistaken, to keep clicking on the "yesterday's issue" link or hack the URL.

    * Expand the hall of fame to cover more top stories, say 30 or so, ten is too little.

    Other than that I'm pretty happy with Slashdot. :)

    (I like the fact how users who aren't logged in don't see sigs anymore, the ability of the Slashdot crowd to generate good sigs AND UPDATE THEM has always been a bit, um, shitty.)

    1. Re:Improvement suggestions: by mosch · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Lose the gzip filter too. Testing how well a comment compresses is a fucking retarded way to check if it might contain valid content. On a number of occasions I've attempted to post code to do something useful, that was related to the story or a parent comment, and it got rejected because it compressed too well.

      The fact of the matter is that most of the filters do not stop trolls, who are willing to attempt to post an obnoxious piece of ascii art multiple times, but do not stop legitimate posters who just want to share a contribution with the community. After all, who here has a job and a life, and time to refine their messages to make the slashdot retardo-filters pass their content along successfully.

      I'm so glad to see that somebody else has realized that the slashdot auto-filters are useless, annoying, poorly written pieces of software that merely detract from the slashdot community.

    2. Re:Improvement suggestions: by jamie · · Score: 4, Informative
      Actually the gzip filter is a really clever way to determine whether you're posting ascii art or repetition.

      It's been eased up a couple of weeks ago and now catches very little except ascii art. It used to catch comments posted in the mode "Code" pretty frequently but that's been fixed as well.

      If anyone has good examples of genuine attempted comment text that trips the compression filter, email it to me and I'll see about fixing it.

    3. Re:Improvement suggestions: by denshi · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Jamie, I think you're the best editor on this site, but your response is the lamest I've seen you write yet.
      "Actually the gzip filter is a really clever way..."
      This line angers me b/c it is just a one-line unsupported dismissal of a widely held viewpoint. That may have been the design intention of the lameness filter. That may be what it looks like to you from up there. But down here in the posters' trenches, the consensus is that it sucks ass. Way too many people catch the lameness filter for a short subject, or trying to be lyrical, or just having too much whitespace. I have caught it several times, and after playing with the text for a while to evade the filter, I just give up. Most people I know do. Email it to you? Sure, right after pouring one's energies into writing someing insightful and on-topic, a tiny block of perl tells one to piss off, one should feel motivated to email bug reports to a group that has grown continually less responsive to user input?? Right, he said.

      Why the continuing trend to offload debugging onto users who didn't ask for the 'improvement' in the first place? Why keep pushing code onto a hugely popular community site that only serves in Generalissimo Taco's war on trolls, dadaists, and the generally absurd? Why a gzip "filter"?? There are decades of research into fast algorithms for determining statistics on bodies of text -- any one of them, many public domain, would be an intelligent tool against crapflooders. But a 'compress and size check' line instead?? That's the worst kind of lax unfeeling code, that wields a brutal metric without regard for corollary damage. ("Rob code", I've heard it called, but "MS code" is more typifying of that style of program design.)

      I generally don't rant. You are running a valuable site at no monetary cost to us. But /. continues to become a place where trenchant technical analysis is unwelcome, master geeks ignore the pablum, and Taco & the trolls continue their little war with the rest of us caught in the minefields that they lay. Every day I feel a greater desire for the /. of 1998. I say, bring back Chips and Dips.

    4. Re:Improvement suggestions: by jamie · · Score: 3, Funny
      "But down here in the posters' trenches, the consensus is that it sucks ass. Way too many people catch the lameness filter for a short subject..."

      It sucks ass to have to type more than one character for a subject?

      I log every instance of the compress filter doing its thing. In the last 20,000 comments or so that have been posted to Slashdot, it's blocked exactly two attempts to post because of a too-compressible subject. Both times the poster could easily have added about one character and it would have gone through.

      And of the last 20,000 successfully posted comments, there have been exactly 50 blocked attempts because of compression on the text. (Note that two blocked previews followed by a successful post, which is typically what happens, counts for 2 of that 50.) The blocked posts are mostly things like the same link pasted in over and over, or one that was 23K worth of "... testtesttestesttesttestesttesttestest..."

      Big chunks of whitespace look too much like ascii art and are frequently caught (where "frequently" means "well under 1%"). The solution is simple: trim out the whitespace. Sooner or later I'll get around to a feature that lets the Slash code trim it out automatically if you ask.

      As I say, the code changed a couple of weeks ago, becoming much better. I am always very interested to hear about its failures, please, submit bug reports and let me know exactly what legitimate comment you were stopped from posting. But be precise. I have the debug logs, so vague anecdotes aren't convincing. And in this case, you're complaining about stuff that has already been addressed. Get with the times :)

  11. nntp by stevens · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Now that we've got the Fry tree out of the way, its off to work on Zoidberg (which will include subscriptions, killfiles, and a few surprises)

    Wow. In just a few short years they'll have implemented....usenet!

    Just kidding, I know there are differences. Still, an nntp gateway would allow people to use their own clients, and those killfiles.

    1. Re:nntp by Jason+Earl · · Score: 3, Informative

      There already is a Gnus client for Slashdot. It allows you to use Gnus scorefiles and everything. Sometimes I wonder if Emacs hackers belong to a totally different species.

  12. Re:First Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "I there any plans to stop this first post c##p in the code"

    Yes, I hear that Taco plans to introduce the following snippet into Slash:

    if(comment.number() == 1)
    {
    post.abort();
    }

    ie. anybody trying to post a first comment to a story will be rejected, only the second, third etc. posts will be allowed.

    HTH.

  13. My biggest wish by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How about comment editing capability??? There's nothing worse than posting a comment, even using preview, and realize you screwed it up somehow.

    It might even be interesting to add a "previous version" capability. Just stick the message in some other dump table and have a different screen to dump them out.

    The journals have editing capability, so I don't see why normal messages can't do the same.

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    1. Re:My biggest wish by sam@caveman.org · · Score: 5, Insightful

      excellent idea. i agree that being able to go back and edit your posts is a BAD idea. that is what preview is for. however there are dozens of 'oops, i meant to say' comments all over the place on nearly every story, and being able to append to the story (much like Ebay allows you to append info but not change what is already there) would be good.

      -sam

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    2. Re:My biggest wish by tb3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Now that makes sense. I post to a few other message boards running other code, and some of them let you edit your posts, and it does make for cleaner posts. None of them have a moderation system, however. Locking the post after child posts or moderation would make a lot of sense.

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    3. Re:My biggest wish by baptiste · · Score: 3, Interesting
      So make comment editing painful so folks won;t do it. Just like you can't moderate a story you post to. If you edit a comment, the moderation gets reset to whatever it posted at (-1 to +2) plain and simple. Also to avoid lamers from editing comments to get out of -1 land (say they posted at +1), you make it so that your post has to be at its original moderation or higher to edit it (or for simplicity, +1) So 0 and -1 comments could NOT be edited.

      OR even simpler. Any comment at -1 or 0 could be edited at its current moderation - who cares? Any comment at +1 or higher will automatically get set to +1 when edited to start over. Easy enough and hard to abuse.

      So for the word problem challenged:

      sub edit_submit { if current_moderation > 1 { moderation = 1 } }

      Easy enough!

  14. Re:Karma Kap by Calle+Ballz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I agree with the overrated. Also the "Redundant" moderation needs to go. I have only seen this used correctly a few times. Most of the time I will see an informative post that's near the top modded as Reduntant... yet near the bottom, a similar post will be modded as Informative. I think whoever is moderating needs to learn to look at which they have on: Oldest First or Newest First.

  15. Four suggestions.. by update() · · Score: 4, Interesting
    First of all, the new code seems to be working well. Availability and response time has been much better than before. (Bender code was in place on September 11, right? I was amazed at how well the system held up.)

    Four suggestions -- three of which should be easy and the fourth is harder:

    • The hard one -- I'd love the ability to go back and revise posts for typos or even delete them if I realize I've said something false.
    • Moderation by editors should be noted as such. This would reduce (or confirm) a lot of the conspiracy theories around here.
    • I'll also agree that the +1 bonus should be off by default.
    • How about a lameness filter against HTML posts where more than 30% of the displayed text is formatted? This would help out people who forget to close a tag and don't bother to preview, and reduce readability problems caused by people who want to use all bold. (In a related vein, does the Code option for post formatting do anything but generate unreadable posts? If people want to post code, let them use HTML.)
    1. Re:Four suggestions.. by FortKnox · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The hard one -- I'd love the ability to go back and revise posts for typos or even delete them if I realize I've said something false.

      The abuse for "modified" comments would be immense (ie - whore to +5 quickly to be on top of the comments, then change all your links to goatse). Deletion isn't, though. I like that idea (although what happens to mods and replied?).

      Moderation by editors should be noted as such. This would reduce (or confirm) a lot of the conspiracy theories around here

      Yeah, like michael would agree to that (I'm teasin michael... don't mod me down!) ;-)
      I don't think editors should have mod points at all! Unlimited mod points *DESTROY* the moderation system by definition. They should trust in the system they designed!!

      I'll also agree that the +1 bonus should be off by default.

      I think majority will rule, and this one come in effect quickly.

      How about a lameness filter against HTML posts where more than 30% of the displayed text is formatted? This would help out people who forget to close a tag and don't bother to preview, and reduce readability problems caused by people who want to use all bold. (In a related vein, does the Code option for post formatting do anything but generate unreadable posts? If people want to post code, let them use HTML.)

      How about killing the lameness filter altogether?
      We all hate it, and it doesn't stop the trolling. Plus, isn't it a form of *censoring* (gasp!)??
      Honestly, my only suggestion (both for comments AND articles) is to have the terminator of every type of valid HTML tag forced at the end (already done on comments). This will prevent bleeding of comments (and no more "Close you italics flag!" comments).

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  16. Spell Checker? by Christianfreak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I mean there's been a perl mod for ispell for a long time now. How about incorporating it in? That would certainly help both users and administrators.

    1. Re:Spell Checker? by ellem · · Score: 3, Funny

      grammer trolls

      grammar

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  17. Re:Karma Kap by Pinball+Wizard · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Actually its more like complaining about getting a 1590 on the SAT due to a glitch in the system when you should have gotten a 1600.


    That would piss me off too.

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  18. Dotslash. by Odinson · · Score: 3, Funny
    Oh oh oh, I want to change my prefrences to form....

    Eeeeevvvvviiiilll Slaaaaaassshhdoooooot!!!

    • Underrated +0
    • Overrated +1
    • Funny -1
    • Offtopic +1
    • Interesting -2
    • Redundant +2
    • Informitive -2
    • Troll +2
    • Insightful -3

    and drum roll please.....
    • Flamebait +5
  19. My wish for meta-moderation by Erik+Hensema · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd like to see the score of an article at the time the moderation I'm metamoderating was done.

    A slightly interesting post at +3 shouldn't be awarded yet another point, so in that case an 'interesting' moderation would be unfair.

    Currently you only see the comment and think 'hey, interesting' and you'd M2 it as fair.

    And please dump the over/underrated moderations. They're only used to dodge M2.

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  20. BWAHAHAHA by Pope+Slackman · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's open source, that's really the only documentation any reasonably intelligent person needs.

    You've obviously never read slashcode.

    C-X C-S

  21. Will I pay for Slashdot? by Skyshadow · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I've been thinking about this off and on ever since I heard that Taco was going to institute subscriptions: Would I pay for Slashdot?

    In favor: I've used and enjoyed Slashdot for a very long time. I'm not concerned about privacy issues involving my email address, so that's not a worry for me. I know that a lot of hard work has been done to keep this service running for me to enjoy, and I know that the upkeep costs a lot. I know that the reality of the web is different now than it was.

    Convincing, but against: I, and all the other posters, experts, flamers, trolls and etc. are what make Slashdot even basically interesting. The stories alone I can get anywhere -- it's the posts that are semi-interesting. When I pay for a subscription to Salon, I'm paying to get content I enjoy. If I were to pay for Slashdot, even just to get ride of ads, I feel like I'd be paying for something I help make happen.

    All that said: I'll pay for Slashdot. The reason is that, all philosophical problems aside, I know that economic realities are forcing this thing in. I'll miss the free Slashdot, but even a subscriber-friendly Slashdot is better than no Slashdot at all (what would I *do* with my days?).

    In return, I'd really, really like to see a more intelligent basis for story selection. I *miss* that Slashdot from three years ago where the stories were mostly tech-oriented and not just another excuse to flame Katz or diss Microsoft. I want to see real efforts to improve the signal to noise ratio without stomping on unpopular views (like moderation tends to). Maybe it's not possible to go back to that, but I'd like to see some effort made to try.

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  22. More useless suggestions by yardbird · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Two quick suggestions:

    Enable me to have separate comment viewing prefs for when I'm a moderator. Changing them back and forth is annoying. Plus then they could be set automatically to more socially responsible defaults.

    If a comment below my threshold has a child which is above my threshold, I think that should be clearer; ideally, in between the visible grandparent and the visible child should be a link to the invisible parent.

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  23. Stylesheets by NutscrapeSucks · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Nobody else has mentioned it, and it's my pet peeve, so I'll throw it in there -- I would love to have nice clean XHTML or XML that could be formatted with stylesheets (CSS or XSLT) on the client-side. Now that Mozilla is out there, this should be politically acceptable.

    This could potentially reduce serverload quite a bit -- not only would you be spitting out far less bandwidth per page, but things like score filtering could be done on the clientside instead of requiring another roundtrip to the server.

    You could even invent your own killfile, highlighting, light-mode, and score biasing schemes. Slashdot could use a default stylesheet, and then host user-submitted ones. Removing all the presentation goop would probably make NNTP/Gopher/whatever gateways easier to implement too. This would also have the positive aspect of pushing off most of the minor bitches back onto the userbase.

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  24. In short, no. by _xeno_ · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I could try and explain it, or I could simply point to AvantSlash and let Scott Tringali's plagerized comment from Kuro5hin explain.

    Reproduced for the terminaly lazy:

    First of all, this is a great example of how not to write a Palm version of the site, and here's why. Offline readers depend on "link-depth" to traverse a site. However, their Palm version breaks each story into a random number of small chunks. So, you can't just page-down to read a long story or a bunch of comments- you have to click on lots and lots of links. A real pain. Lots of small links makes sense on a slow online connection, but it's awful when you have more bandwidth available, as your desktop PC or an offline browser.

    Additionally, it's restricted to 10 comments, not a threshold. That's boring. I'm sitting here in Jiffy Lube picking my nose, I wanna read some funny trolls and flamewars!

    Finally, using /. in "light" mode doesn't work either. There are too many useless links on the front page. I don't care about the advertising or the FAQ or all the other stuff: I want the stories and the comments. Basically, the readers I use so far have no way to "prune" sections of the tree you don't care about. This causes the site to be gigantic and not fit into the paltry 8MB of your typical handheld, or, it fits, but it so big as to detract from its usefulness.

    Finally, someone did the right thing: AvantSlash takes the page, filters out all the crap you don't care about, and doesn't break it up into a thousand chunks so it's readable.

    In order to make that usable, I'd have to pump my link depth to something like 4 in order to read the stories. Plus, for the first time in months, slashdot.org has stopped serving 403's to sync.avantgo.com, which basically killed it's usefulnes... (It was one of the first sites I tried to sync to my iPaq via AvantGo, and until today, everytime I tried, I'd get access denied errors reading it when I tried to sync.)

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  25. As long as we're on the subject of wishlists... by DahGhostfacedFiddlah · · Score: 3, Insightful

    An anonymous post by a logged-in user should be treated exactly the same as a regular post. It should include any +1 bonuses and affect karma. If only unregistered ACs were rated at 0, I'd have less qualms about missing something browsing at +1.

  26. Open to contributions? by Pinball+Wizard · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It seems as if there are two different versions of GPL/Open Source development. One is where the project is open to anyone capable enough to contribute to it. Mozilla and KDE are examples of this. The other is where the development, while open to suggestions, is tightly controlled.


    Slashcode seems to fall into the second camp. There doesn't seem to be a wide variety of people who have contributed, rather the credit is purely to CmdrTaco and friends.


    Instead of doing all the work yourselves, why not have a todo list and let others make contributions to the project, rather than just implementing suggestions?

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