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Slash 2.2.0 Released
If you meander over to Slashcode, you will notice that Slash 2.2.0 has been released. This is of course the website engine that runs Slashdot. The release has the message system, improved journal functions, new comment filters, and countless bug fixes. And of course a variety of optimizations that continue to make it possible to serve a quantity of pages that no other open source package like this can even touch :) Plus it's way easier to install. Now that we've got the Fry tree out of the way, its off to work on Zoidberg (which will include subscriptions, killfiles, and a few surprises)
"More changes to stats report" Bug fix changes, or just changes? It'd be pretty nice if the changelog was a little more detailed. When there are a whopping 4 entries in it, you could give a little bit more detail.
Gee, I sure hope the new slashcode has the same rock-solid reliability I've come to expect from this site.
*crickets*
--saint
Cheers..
$HOME is where the
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I mean really, we've been looking at the same interface for years. Not that there's anything wrong with the current appearance, it's just time for a change.
"If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on fire." - George Carlin
I'd like to be able to put in an URL something like
5 &s tyle=light
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http://slashdot.org/frontpage.pl?commentthresh=
and have it give me slashdot in 'light' format, with comments in the stories as 5 & over only.
The reason for this is that I want to get Slashdot on Avantgo, but obviously I have different viewing requierments on my Palm than I have on my desktop.
Is there any way of doing this with Slash 2.2?
I know there wasn't in the old Slash 1.x
Any chacne one of thoes sprises could be a web itnerface to aspel?
"Make it ten--I am only a poor corrupt official."
--Captain Louis Renault (Claude Rains), Casablanca
I want to be able to set my preferences to include stories that only appear in certain sub-categories (Science and Ask Slashdot) on the main page as if they were full-fledged main stories.
I'm still waiting for the option to recalculate the point value for articles based on my own preferences. I want funny to count as +0.
...Slash code has a variety of new improvements for users and administrators alike!
For example, the new SlashTag <goatsex>, which saves you the tedium of having to do all that HREF and HTTP:// stuff.
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Taco, I've posted this before, but I will post it again. I would be willing to pay for an ad-free, subscription based NNTP gateway to slashdot. I think something in the range of $5-10 US / month or maybe $50 US for a whole year would be reasonable, as long as there aren't any ads and it works with GNUS. (I know GNUS has a /. backend, but it sucks, sorry. I don't want to worry about parsing html to get the content into GNUS.)
Think about it, cause there isn't anything else you could offer me that I would pay for.
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The option to not add +1 to your posts is broken. I've used it on another post, and it still came in as a score of 2 without moderation.
* Lose the lameness filter. It is lame. Why? Because it
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a) doesn't deter trolls but
b) does annoy legitimate posters.
* Separate karma moderation from comment moderation, eg. a plagiarizing post could be moderated interesting, yet the poster's karma could be modded down.
* Kill the CowboyNeal cop-out poll option. It hasn't been funny for, oh I dunno, about a year or so.
* Add year to (at least some of) the dates. Currently the only way to determine the year in which a given story or a post was made is to look at the URL, which is just plain dumb.
* Improve the search. Finer details of this left as an excersise.
* Add a link to stories that leads to the "daily issue" of Slashdot when the story appeared. Currently the only way to see the full Slashdot for a given day is, if I'm not mistaken, to keep clicking on the "yesterday's issue" link or hack the URL.
* Expand the hall of fame to cover more top stories, say 30 or so, ten is too little.
Other than that I'm pretty happy with Slashdot.
(I like the fact how users who aren't logged in don't see sigs anymore, the ability of the Slashdot crowd to generate good sigs AND UPDATE THEM has always been a bit, um, shitty.)
Wow. In just a few short years they'll have implemented....usenet!
Just kidding, I know there are differences. Still, an nntp gateway would allow people to use their own clients, and those killfiles.
Its karma for Christ's sake, not money. You don't get any smarter, stronger or better looking because your karma is higher. To boot, you are well above the +1 bonus mark. That's like complaining you lost a point off of the SAT's so instead of 1390, you got 1380. The difference is negligable .
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I hope posting anonymously still works. We'll see real soon.
"I there any plans to stop this first post c##p in the code"
Yes, I hear that Taco plans to introduce the following snippet into Slash:
if(comment.number() == 1)
{
post.abort();
}
ie. anybody trying to post a first comment to a story will be rejected, only the second, third etc. posts will be allowed.
HTH.
Have the passwords for accounts been moved to a secure format yet? And along similar lines, what about password resets?
I remember that these were pending problems from a while ago.
How about comment editing capability??? There's nothing worse than posting a comment, even using preview, and realize you screwed it up somehow.
It might even be interesting to add a "previous version" capability. Just stick the message in some other dump table and have a different screen to dump them out.
The journals have editing capability, so I don't see why normal messages can't do the same.
Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
I agree with the overrated. Also the "Redundant" moderation needs to go. I have only seen this used correctly a few times. Most of the time I will see an informative post that's near the top modded as Reduntant... yet near the bottom, a similar post will be modded as Informative. I think whoever is moderating needs to learn to look at which they have on: Oldest First or Newest First.
Four suggestions -- three of which should be easy and the fourth is harder:
I mean there's been a perl mod for ispell for a long time now. How about incorporating it in? That would certainly help both users and administrators.
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That would piss me off too.
No, Thursday's out. How about never - is never good for you?
in my Slashbox.
/. from anywhere and go to my fave places that aren't /.!
I need more room in my Slashbox. This way I can log into
This
Yep, mozilla builds since 20011102 have had some nasty form bugs - they make posting to slashdot quite interesting - take a look at mozillazine's build bar comments for details. Hmm, it looks like the bugs were supposed to be fixed for today's builds. Strange that you're still seeing them. For now I'm sticking with 20011030.
Preventive War is like committing suicide for fear of death. - Otto Von Bismarck
Eeeeevvvvviiiilll Slaaaaaassshhdoooooot!!!
and drum roll please.....
Novel theory: Modern Man evolved from psychopath
I'd like to see the score of an article at the time the moderation I'm metamoderating was done.
A slightly interesting post at +3 shouldn't be awarded yet another point, so in that case an 'interesting' moderation would be unfair.
Currently you only see the comment and think 'hey, interesting' and you'd M2 it as fair.
And please dump the over/underrated moderations. They're only used to dodge M2.
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Um, but if somebody receives an NNTP stream even a paid one, there is no technical difficulty to create an NNTP server that rebroadcasts the news.
Maybe that's why.
Anyway has somebody actually done that converter? I remember that when Slash was formally published as usable Open Source there were people saying it was the first thing they'll contribute.
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How about killing that 20 second timer? That's pretty lame...
And under certain browsers (*cringe*IE5.5*cringe), when you hit the back button, you've lost what you typed if you blow the 20 second filter.
I also think that adding a new story type "Poll" along the lines of Ask Slashdot would be nice (for user suggested polls).
Fascism starts when the efficiency of the government becomes more important than the rights of the people.
It's open source, that's really the only documentation any reasonably intelligent person needs.
You've obviously never read slashcode.
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The rest of the world calls these surprises "bugs". Except Microsoft, who calls them "features".
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"Karma can only be portioned out by the cosmos." - Homer Simpson [1F10]
In favor: I've used and enjoyed Slashdot for a very long time. I'm not concerned about privacy issues involving my email address, so that's not a worry for me. I know that a lot of hard work has been done to keep this service running for me to enjoy, and I know that the upkeep costs a lot. I know that the reality of the web is different now than it was.
Convincing, but against: I, and all the other posters, experts, flamers, trolls and etc. are what make Slashdot even basically interesting. The stories alone I can get anywhere -- it's the posts that are semi-interesting. When I pay for a subscription to Salon, I'm paying to get content I enjoy. If I were to pay for Slashdot, even just to get ride of ads, I feel like I'd be paying for something I help make happen.
All that said: I'll pay for Slashdot. The reason is that, all philosophical problems aside, I know that economic realities are forcing this thing in. I'll miss the free Slashdot, but even a subscriber-friendly Slashdot is better than no Slashdot at all (what would I *do* with my days?).
In return, I'd really, really like to see a more intelligent basis for story selection. I *miss* that Slashdot from three years ago where the stories were mostly tech-oriented and not just another excuse to flame Katz or diss Microsoft. I want to see real efforts to improve the signal to noise ratio without stomping on unpopular views (like moderation tends to). Maybe it's not possible to go back to that, but I'd like to see some effort made to try.
Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
I believe that allowing posters to "opt out" of their +1 is moronic. The premise behind the bonus is that said poster generally posts good comments, so this one is probably good too. Now this either works or it doesn't. If it doesn't, remove the +1. If it does, grant the +1 and get over it.
Allowing an option to "opt out" of the +1 is like an option that would allow you to "opt out" of being moderated up. The feature is down-right silly. Judging the quality of a post is not the job of the poster. It is the job of the community system and the moderators.
Just remove that option. It makes no sense.
Just the same, what real difference does it make if you have 50 karma or 500 karma. After the +1 bonus at 20 something, the rest is meaningless, so why do you care?
Unix is user friendly, it's just selective about who its friends are.
Enable me to have separate comment viewing prefs for when I'm a moderator. Changing them back and forth is annoying. Plus then they could be set automatically to more socially responsible defaults.
If a comment below my threshold has a child which is above my threshold, I think that should be clearer; ideally, in between the visible grandparent and the visible child should be a link to the invisible parent.
Free, legal music for iTunes users.
The moment it costs more than $0.00 for any content on /. I for one will no longer be a reader of Slashdot. The next we know it VA software will pull up the leash, and slashcode will become proprietary
You'll get over it. The difference is negligable. I've had people excuse thigns like waranties just because i'm a day over. Its all negligable.
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Screw it. Be more like K5. If someone posts a goatse.cx ascii art (I know, probably old, but I haven't checked what the latest troll nonsense is in a while), bitchslap them. It's not fair? Who cares- we all hate each other here anyway.
An easy way on the main page to scroll back through previous stories.
This could be as simple as an "Older stories..." link or as "complicated" as separators between days and something like a "Monday's stories" link.
If I miss a day or two, I always have to fiddle with the slashboxes to scroll back through the stories. This is a simple UI fix and would greatly increase usability.
tru dat. i've had it forever. i think i hit 50 around post 50-60...
Every once in a while I like to masturbate a new word into my vocabulary, even if I don't know what it means.
The karma itself does not matter.. you are correct... The parent poster was identifying a "bug" in the code or a flaw in the design of the system/implementation... or more likely a missed/overlooked requirement =P
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Build Your Own PVR/HTPC news, reviews, &
...the karma cap is removed.
"And like that
Nobody else has mentioned it, and it's my pet peeve, so I'll throw it in there -- I would love to have nice clean XHTML or XML that could be formatted with stylesheets (CSS or XSLT) on the client-side. Now that Mozilla is out there, this should be politically acceptable.
This could potentially reduce serverload quite a bit -- not only would you be spitting out far less bandwidth per page, but things like score filtering could be done on the clientside instead of requiring another roundtrip to the server.
You could even invent your own killfile, highlighting, light-mode, and score biasing schemes. Slashdot could use a default stylesheet, and then host user-submitted ones. Removing all the presentation goop would probably make NNTP/Gopher/whatever gateways easier to implement too. This would also have the positive aspect of pushing off most of the minor bitches back onto the userbase.
Whenever I hear the word 'Innovation', I reach for my pistol.
Reproduced for the terminaly lazy:
In order to make that usable, I'd have to pump my link depth to something like 4 in order to read the stories. Plus, for the first time in months, slashdot.org has stopped serving 403's to sync.avantgo.com, which basically killed it's usefulnes... (It was one of the first sites I tried to sync to my iPaq via AvantGo, and until today, everytime I tried, I'd get access denied errors reading it when I tried to sync.)
You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
An anonymous post by a logged-in user should be treated exactly the same as a regular post. It should include any +1 bonuses and affect karma. If only unregistered ACs were rated at 0, I'd have less qualms about missing something browsing at +1.
Last post!
I am insulted, chagrined, annoyed, disturbed, perturbed, dismayed, aghast, and perhaps even indignant at this shocking act of arrogance, Mr. Taco! Shame on you, sir. Shame shame shame!
Slashcode seems to fall into the second camp. There doesn't seem to be a wide variety of people who have contributed, rather the credit is purely to CmdrTaco and friends.
Instead of doing all the work yourselves, why not have a todo list and let others make contributions to the project, rather than just implementing suggestions?
No, Thursday's out. How about never - is never good for you?
I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar.
Instead of adding a space to the middle of long words, why not just add a <wbr> tag so that the browser can decide whether or not it needs to actually break the word at that spot?
There are too many times when someone posts a URL in a comment, and I can't simply cut & paste because the lame filter has put a space in the middle of it!
I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar.
This release contains a security flaw. This flaw will not be revlealed in the ChangeLog, and is protected under the DMCA!
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Joseph Elwell.
I am not an expert on improving the scalability of web applications (especially those written in Perl, as is Slashcode), but, from what I read, I understand that Java generally scales much better, especially when it has been tweaked for that purpose. Recently, an open source discussion board (written in Java) appeared that its creators say is one of the most scalable on the planet: Jive. Even in Jive's old, version 1.24 form, it was so scalable that Sun Microsystems decided to use it as its main web discussion software, replacing discussion software that they had written themselves (in Java). Sun employee Eric Larson wrote (in article's last paragraph) that
Jive's developers swear that it can serve a million page views per day without a problem. On the other hand, Jive doesn't support the posting of news items in a manner similar to Slashcode. Maybe that's what Taco meant when he wrote "like this" (above). Of course, the open source developers at Meinds may decide to alter the Jive source to permit the posting of news items. Then Slashcode might have been bested in terms of features as well as scalability.
A lawyer & digital forensics examiner. Also an expert on open source software (OSS).
So what is your point?
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I would like to see Redundant be removed from at least meta-moderation, if not gull moderation. It is impossible to accurately see if a moderation of Redundant is Fair or not. You could go back at look at the original discussion, but that is a lot of work.
- (c) 2018 Hank Zimmerman
Regardless, you're right that Slashcode is the only package I know of that's been tested with the kind of load and range of attacks that Slashdot gets. I certainly wouldn't argue that it's proven that Scoop could do what Slashcode does, in terms of sheer numbers. That just hasn't been done. Maybe it could, maybe it couldn't, but we don't know for sure.
I do think feature-wise, Scoop kicks Slashcode's ass, but that's to be expected. :-)
PS: The previous defender of Scoop was hurstdog, who is our primary project manager now.
There is no K5 cabal.
I am not the real rusty.
I've managed to bite, scratch, and claw my way up to 25 points, and it's a bit disappointing to find out (finally) that I have to make 40 or better to get that precious posting bonus.
After a couple of years of periodic karma whoring and ass-kissing, I have scored 50 points, but I can't find where to put in my initials. Anybody know? I'm still waiting for CmdrTaco to send me my prize, should be any day now! I hope it's a GameCube.
(Thankfully, this post should get me back down to 47 or so, so I have something to shoot for again! Life is good.)
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<a href="//slashdot.org/whatever.pl...">
So. w3m interprets this as http://slashdot.org/slashdot.org/whatever.pl. OK, it's probably valid html since it works correctly in Mozilla and friends. But still, I wonder why the fsck does such a convention exist in the first place. More importantly, what's the point of repeating the host name for local links?
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The Cap is nigh. Time to get a fresh new account.
But not at a measly 40 karma. When you get 2.147e9 karma points, you unlock the deadly 32nd chamber of slashdot, in which you gain unlimited moderation abilities and spiritual bliss. You do know how to break the 50 karma limit, right?
/. at -1 threshold, newest first. You will find the anser in the pink underbelly of the /. horde. I will start you off in the right direction.
Right? If not, you better start reading
There are many paths to breaking the karma limit. In fact, the limit itself isn't a real limit at all, but your own mind restricting you from realizing your full potential. The obvious shortest path to breaking this limit is to fully realize this truth. Of course, this is easier said than done; it takes years of mental and physical training. I doubt you could manage it if you haven't even yet gotten 40 karma.
Another path to breaking the limit is to go back in the other direction. Negativity meets positivity when you roll over. Troll long and hard enough to drive your karma so low that it rolls over to an astoundingly high positive number.
Of course, these are only two of the infinite number of paths you can take to karmic bliss.
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I can do that (blatent plug). We're still at 2.0 and may be for some time, but eventually we'll get upgraded to 2.2 or 2.4.
.pm files from each other. I've heard it said that it can't be done, but there's probably a way...
Or if anyone can tell me how to run two versions on the same server we can start right away. Possibly by dedicating one httpd to 2.2 and having it on its own IP (which I could do) but then I'd have to figure out how to isolate the Slash
Buy Windows XP. Give Bill Gates more of your money.
my boy, the Karma Wyrms of old regularly got well over 200 karma. If you are having to bite and scratch, you are doing something wrong. Spinning your wheels but not going anywhere.
/.'ed, read the article! Have something to say.
/. horde and moderators only mod up stories the sheep agree with", "Here goes all karma...", or "Oh well, I have karma to burn..." If you do I will mod you down to karma hell on every post you've ever made. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Sometimes on /. it seems like (+5, Insightful) means only "This user doesn't feel confident that his opinion stands on its own and thus needs to end his posts by suggesting he would only be moderated down because his views are unpopular to the /. horde."
:)
You have two choices on how to accumulate karma, the path of light and the path of dark, and millions of variations on the two.
If you want to go after karma the honest way, here are some hints.
* Post early. I can't stress this enough. Moderators browse at highest score first, so the only way to get noticed is to post early before a lot of people have been bumped up into the 4-5 range.
* Post content not crap. Don't just voice some uninformed opinion on something. If you catch a story early, before the site linked to is
* Don't reply to other posts, make a reply to the story. Moderators don't go through replies to other peoples comments as much as they see the parents.
* Use a good subject. Moderators notice funny titles; it gets you noticed.
* Use your +1 to your advantage. Get it in early and strike hard. But don't use it all of the time, or you might get modded down a lot.
* And don't let me catch you saying something like: "I know I will lose karma for this, but...", "I know this is an unpopular opinion with the
If you wish to take the dark side, ie karma whoring, start reading the slashdot underbelly of trolls. They will tell you how.
Good luck and enjoy the game. You have already lost.
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I'd like to see an open submissions section, ie a singular section which users contribute and moderate stories. There's a lot of decent contributions that get dropped because an editor dosen't think its news in this section the slash users would decide, perhaps this could be made a subscription option or someting, to deter troll submissions.
The new "absolute" comment number seems to have stopped a lot of FPs, but it makes it a real pain to see if something is redundant when doing M2. Also, editing is not such a good idea, I would think. This is a web LOG for a reason.
SIG: HUP
Get rid of accumulated karma.
Instead, just have people's posts start out with a score equal to the average score of their last n posts.
This will solve most karma-related problems.
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I dunno. Sounds like something JWZ, Theo de Raadt or Jordan K Hubbard might say.
I just saw it on a forum somewhere. Mighta even been crapdot.
The BSD crowd seems to have more of a utilitarian "because it works" attitude rather than the "because it's cool" attitude the linux crowd has, and I happen to like that better.
Note how the main things the BSD faction has been working on (and are known for) are serving and security, while the main thing the linux people have been working on over the last few years are toolkits and desktops.
(Aside from all the window managers and mp3 players, that is...)
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