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Operation Acoustic Kitty

rockville writes: "Remember the Cold War, when intelligence agencies had no oversight and a blank check? Now that those days are back, here's a good object lesson: the Chicago Sun-Times has details about Operation Acoustic Kitty, a CIA program to wire a cat to spy on the Soviet Union. Feel free to be either shocked at the depravity or shocked at the stupidity. The first prototype is also a nominee for Worst Presentation Ever." Hmmm. Last time I posted a story about cats, I got angry email from cat-lovers. Let's see what happens this time.

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  1. Combining Two Projects... by Steve+B · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...a CIA team tried to chemically treat a cat's dander so that it would rub up against Fidel Castro and cause his beard to fall out.

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    1. Re:Combining Two Projects... by Man+Eating+Duck · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why not? The British conspired to make Hitler lose his power over the German people by bribing a gardener delivering vegetables to Hitler's kitchen.
      He was supposed to inject female hormones in them to make Hitler appear more feminine and thus loose his appeal.
      The gardener probably didn't have the guts to do it, as Hitler never lost his mustache... Cool idea though

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  2. That was only the beginning by AnimeFreak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Today we're seeing robots the size of pennies, that may be the next form of espionage in the next few decades. Heck, we may even make smaller "nano-bots" that can attach itself to the person who is under survailence.

    This also reminds me of the bionic insects I have seen in various magazines such as Popular Science. Cats were only the beginning I will state again.

    1. Re:That was only the beginning by AnimeFreak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A fly could do a better job actually. With a fly, it can attach itself to the ceiling, wall, floor, or whatever and you wouldn't notice it. With a cockroach, you can easily see it and want to stomp it.

      As long as the radio control works though, if not the then the fly is at risk for being swatted because it will either be in control of it's self, go out of control, or it will drop and be noticed.

    2. Re:That was only the beginning by Man+of+E · · Score: 2, Insightful

      True, but imagine trying to actually operate a fly by remote control in 3D. With the cockroach, you can basically just move in two dimensions by walking forward/backward and rotating, but it's much more complicated with a fly since you have to account for aerodynamics and the like - a fly is more than a tiny RC airplane. Entirely apart from the difficulty of simply flying the thing, I doubt human operators would find it easy to emulate "fly-like" flitting flying patterns.
      The last problem is that, unlike cockroaches, flies can't carry five times their weight while flying around, so you'd have to really miniaturize the electronic equipment. After all, you'd need two cameras (for 3D viewing), wireless transmission equipment and electrodes, all really lightweight and attached in such a way that it doesn't get in the way of wings or legs.
      All in all, I think remote-control flies might still be quite a while off. Cockroaches will have to do for now.

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  3. Declassified documents on Acoustic Kitty by Black+Acid · · Score: 5, Informative
    Guardian Unlimited has an article, Project: Acoustic Kitty, which says:
    A fresh batch of newly declassified CIA documents, however, provides a more nuanced picture of the CIA's directorate of science and technology. The documents - requested under the Freedom of Information Act by Jeffrey Richelson, a senior fellow at the national security archive in Washington - chart the development of the extraordinary US spy satellites as well as the U-2 and A-12 spy planes. But they also record some of the gaffes and wrong turns along the way, which reveal the CIA's boffins to be as accident-prone as any government institution.


    The "Acoustic Kitty" is one of the CIA's many failures. You can download the declassified documents at George Washington University. Most relevent is Document 27: Views on Trained Cat Use. Interesting read straight from the horse's mouth.
  4. Wodka! Wodka! by AcidDan · · Score: 5, Funny

    [And so Operation "Cat Nap" comes unglued when an unexpected event occurs...]

    General1: "Pavelovich? what is your kitty doing here?"

    General2: "It is not my kitty..."

    General1: "I wonder if it is true Russian Kitty..."

    General2: "I will fetch the Vodka."

    General1: "Let us see if you drink Vodka like true Russian Kitty..."

    -- Dan =)

    1. Re:Wodka! Wodka! by Dylbert · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't forget those crazy fur hats they wear. If they were tempted, one of them might end up wearing the microphone on their head.

      Good plan, CIA!

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  5. success? by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Funny

    according to the article, the prototype cat was run over in the test trial (they took it to a park and it was run over by a taxi).

    Clearly suicide.

    And BTW, you guys think maybe the parts that are still classified are the ones about the later models that worked right?
    Listen to me, I'm talking about cyborg cats like I would about cars...

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  6. Bonsai! by themaddone · · Score: 4, Funny

    Instead of a wired cat, maybe we should send the Taliban a wired Bonsai Kitten. Considering their love of life, they'll enjoy it, and as a room decoration, it's second to none.

    http://www.bonsaikitten.com

    1. Re:Bonsai! by Tackhead · · Score: 2
      > http://www.bonsaikitten.com

      Well, at least it's nice to see our government standing up for kitten rights by harassing people who make jokes about h4x0ring kittens.

      What was that old saying about people who accuse someone of doing "X" are more than likely guilty of "X" themselves?

  7. Re:That's a better idea than... by VB · · Score: 2, Funny


    giving the boys acid and letting them jump out of windows...


    then landed into the CIA and came up with this cool surveillance idea that involved cats....

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  8. Sigh.... by tsarina · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They say to give the CIA more free reign over what they do, that it would make them more effective. This only solidifies my doubts. They're no more effective, it seems - just have free reign to do stupid things. Like kill cats. Or fail to assassinate Fidel Castro how many times...?

    But we know about those, so perhaps I am incorrect. Perhaps we only hear about what they do wrong; after all, the failure means that it is no threat to our security (except our loss of faith in the CIA?). After all, it's whatever succeeded that would need to be kept secret, so that it could continue to work. You have to wonder... if they make enough stupid mistakes, and know they're stupid enough to be benign in regard to security, perhaps the CIA is somewhat smarter than we think. They know what they do wrong, then perhaps they know what they do right. They'll just never get credit for any of it.

    Golly gee, I've refuted myself again.

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  9. This time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Last time I posted a story about cats, I got angry email from cat-lovers. Let's see what happens this time.

    Ummm...angry letters from CIA lovers?

  10. The scary thing by Lurkingrue · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The frightening part of this whole debacle -- at least for USians -- is that this took place when the CIA was supposedly competent and well-staffed/well-funded... What does that say for their current capabilities?

    1. Re:The scary thing by Liza · · Score: 2

      That when the CIA is "well-staffed/well-funded" they have too much time and money and in order to justify it, have to think up amazingly stupid and expensive projects? Maybe keeping them a little short on cash will help them set better priorities than borg-ifying cats.

      Liza

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    2. Re:The scary thing by Tackhead · · Score: 3, Funny
      > this took place when the CIA was supposedly competent and well-staffed/well-funded... What does that say for their current capabilities?

      ...that no matter how much money you throw at the problem, you still can't herd cats?

  11. Bugger by Tekgno · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thats probably what they said when the prototype got run over. :)

    For the benefit of the many who are not enlightened enough to be Australian this is funny because we have a Toyota(?) advert over here which involves a farm ute being used for various tasks, the ute is supposedly very powerful and goes over board for every task here are some examples:
    Pulling stump out of ground: Stump gets airborne and smashes up dunny (outside toilet)
    Dog tries to jump onto ute but ute takes off, dog lands in mud and dog says bugger.

    You probably don't have the idea yet but believe me, it is funny (Could some of you other Aussies back me up here before the karma police lock me up?)

    1. Re:Bugger by jgp · · Score: 3, Funny

      But of course they are smaller than the american ones, usually have 4 cyl engines.

      Hence, the term "utility", as opposed to "penis-substitution".

    2. Re:Bugger by staplin · · Score: 2

      You probably don't have the idea yet but believe me, it is funny (Could some of you other Aussies back me up here before the karma police lock me up?)

      I'll back you up, and I'm not even an Aussie. I'm from the US, but I was working over the pond for a month a few years ago. And this commercial had me rolling on the floor of my hotel room laughing, not just once, but at least the first 5 or 6 times I saw it. And it still cracks me up...

      Cheers!

  12. All I want is... by neema · · Score: 5, Funny

    DR. EVIL CIA GUY: Release the sharks! All the sharks have had laser beams attached to their heads. I figure every creature deserves a warm meal.

    FRAU FARBISSINA: Dr. Evil?

    DR. EVIL CIA GUY: Yes, what is it? You're interrupting my moment of triumph.

    FRAU FARBISSINA: It's about the sharks. Since you were frozen, they've been placed on the Endangered Species List. We tried to get some, but it will take months to clear up the red tape.

    DR. EVIL: Right. Mr. Kremlin, we're going to lower you in a tank of piranhas with laser beams attached to their heads.

    FRAU FARBISSINA: *cough*

    DR. EVIL CIA GUY: What is it now?

    FRAU FARBISSINA: Well, we experimented with lasers, but you would be surprised at how heavy they are. They actually outweighed the piranha themselves, and the fish, well, they sank to the bottom and died.

    DR. EVIL CIA GUY: I have one simple request and that's sharks with friggin' laser beams attached to their heads, and it can't be done? Remind me again why I pay you people? What do we have?

    FRAU FARBISSINA: Cats.

    DR. EVIL CIA GUY: Right.

    FRAU FARBISSINA: They're mutated cats. With surveillance devices.

    DR. EVIL CIA GUY: Really? Are they ill-tempered?

  13. Not that easy..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Despite what you may think, it's not that easy to control a cockroach.

    How do I know, you ask?

    I'm a neuroscience graduate student who works in a lab that studies cockroach neurophysiology and movement control:

    http://www.life.uiuc.edu/delcomyn/

    Yes, we can GUIDE the motions, by stimulating parts of the CPG (central pattern generators) in cockroach motor control - each pair of legs in cockroaches have internal movement pattern generators, as well as connections to other legs as well as the higher CNS ganglia. This still doesn't mean we have total control, or even relatively FINE control - something that would be required for this kind of fantasy "bug" intelligence work. It's really not that practical, and I doubt it will ever be - a lot more can be acheived by remote sensing technology, or possibly MEMS-type sensors.

    Sincerely,
    Kevin Christie
    Neuroscience Program
    University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
    crispiewm@hotmail.com

    1. Re:Not that easy..... by Grab · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is presumably working on the theory that nervous systems are fairly similar in all animals. So if you can work out how to make a cockroach tap-dance under computer control, then you can do the same for Christopher Reeve or other paralysed ppl (but presumably in this case under CR's control - just imagine some h4x0r getting root on CR's control box! :-).

      You'd have real problems getting a grant to do these experiments on babies, or even on volunteers. Messing with nervous systems could (a) cause lots of pain, and (b) damage the nerves so that the person is paralysed. But with cockroaches, who cares? If it gets paralysed, squish it and move on to another one. Why roaches? Well, they're large insects, so presumably it's easier to trace the nerves. And I'd guess insects are easier to deal with due to their exoskeleton - if you need to attach something to an insect, you can glue it to the outside and be sure it won't come off. With mammals and reptiles, you've always got the problem of attaching stuff securely to skin. And of course, there's the PETA issue - pictures of cute fluffy mice in labs are good for publicity, but no-one's going to object to experiments on roaches bcos they're not photogenic!

      Maybe you need to reconsider how medical research is done. Transplants were _not_ done on humans, they were done on chimps, rats, dogs, etc first.

      Grab.

  14. my friggin' spying cat! by austad · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dammit! This MUST be why my cat only comes near me when I'm on the phone or typing at my computer, he's friggin' rigged! Where is that little furry bastard?!?! I bet some water would short circuit his electronics....

    Here kitty kitty...

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  15. This was on TV years ago... by thesurfaces.net · · Score: 3, Informative

    There was a BBC documentary about 4 or 5 years ago with this story in it; the main subject was the MKULTRA project, and it was entitled "The Search for the Manchurian Candidate" (or something like that), but this "Acoustic Kitty" thing came up as an anecdote from some ex-intelligence guy they interviewed. Unfortunately, Google turns absolutely nothing up, and the BBC themselves apparently don't know a thing about it!

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  16. Wrong title... by thesurfaces.net · · Score: 2, Informative

    I got the title confused with this, which is a good read on MKULTRA, but the program definitely had "Manchurian Candidate" in the title!

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  17. Conspiracy theorists of the world, unite. by Murmer · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Reading just a bit between the lines...

    "They slit the cat open, put batteries in him, wired him up. The tail was used as an antenna. They made a monstrosity. They tested him and tested him. They found he would walk off the job when he got hungry, so they put another wire in to override that,'' he said.

    So reading a hair past the ha-ha bad product description, we've learned that the CIA can stick a wire into your head and change the way you feel.
    And they knew how to do this in 1960. Damn, but they must have some cool toys by now.
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    1. Re:Conspiracy theorists of the world, unite. by DarkZero · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unfortunately for them, mental control through electronic equipment is very, very obvious to the person with the electronic equipment inside them. I presume, very seriously, that the cat ran into the street against its better judgement because it was going insane from the forced electrical stimulation and the intense pain of having that many pieces of electrical equipment stuffed into its body.

  18. Catcalls Categorize Catastrophic Concatenation by dublin · · Score: 4, Funny

    The CIA cats working on this category must have been catatonic, or maybe just got caught catnapping:

    The kitty carcass catapulted by the cab catercorner across the catwalk caterwauled, then went cataleptic and catatonic. It's hard to categorize such cathodically catheterized cattails as anything but cataclysmically catastrophic. The catcalls clearly catalyzed the cattiest CIA agents to consider acoustic catfish to catch confidential conversations near cataracts. Catfights in cathouses are another matter: maybe covert catsup bottles? Gee that was cathartic - I think I'll have some catnip...

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  19. Cats and Water? by base2op · · Score: 2, Funny

    I suppose this would explain why cats do not seem to like water. Perhaps they're all rigged now?

    Hrm...
    [::imagines the effect of slashdotters killing all cats::] (The black plague started in quite a similar manner.)

  20. Re:Fun with fill-in-the-blanks by NonSequor · · Score: 2

    Maybe it's a Mad Lib.

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  21. Re:ALL YOUR FELINES ARE BELONG TO US by jbarnett · · Score: 2


    Maybe not the CIA, but I would gladly attach a survillence device to YOUR pussy.

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  22. Clever way of disguising the radio transmission ! by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Funny
    From the article : "The tail was used as an antenna."

    So, let's see : if they wired a kitten, it would emit short waves. Then, as the kitty grows up, the frequency would slowly shift to the long wave band. Kind of like a very slow naturally occuring frequency-hopping encoding : if the Russian had picked up the transmission and went back to it several week after, they wouldn't have been able to find it again !

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  23. An apology by xmedar · · Score: 2

    I'm afraid it's the fault of us Brits really after all we helped create the CIA by setting up Camp X and the Americans seem to have taken our ideas to heart, this is just another Exploding Rat, I hope I speak for the majority of us Brits when I say... Sorry!

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  24. Re:Imagine... by secolactico · · Score: 3, Funny

    Then we'd have to call it a Meowulf cluster, shouldn't we?

    Why are you guys groaning???

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  25. Re:They're lucky. by rodgerd · · Score: 2

    The at tried doing nothing; according to the article, they sliced and diced the poor creature's brain some more until it stopped trying to eat at inconvenient moments. Bastards.

  26. Re:hmm by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Um, genius, in 1966 LBJ (liberal Democrat) was in power.

    In any case, got news for you: it's left wingers that have always been interested in mind control. The Soviet Union and Hitler ring a bell? Who constantly wants larger and larger governments? That would be the left wing.

    Of course, you will respond with "well, why are they trying to expand the FBI's powers? Huh? Huh?"

    The difference between right wing politics and left wing politics is that the right wing generally wants to expand the power of law enforcement to catch criminals, whereas the left wing generally wants to expand the power of government to control the opposition party and enhance their own power. If you want to see this in action, take a look at how Democrats manipulated local elections for 40+ years to keep control of congress.

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  27. Real reason details are being withheld... by morcheeba · · Score: 3, Funny

    > The document ... is still partly censored. This implies that the CIA was embarrassed about disclosing all the details of Acoustic Kitty

    Actually, the reason is that project Acoustic Bovine was a success, and is being covertly operated on the streets of moscow as we speak.

    1. Re:Real reason details are being withheld... by radja · · Score: 2

      yeah, acoustic bovine was a success.. but acoustic bovine was pioneered in India, which is obviosly why cows are protected there. They even managed to sneak it into religion.. ;)

      //rdj

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  28. If there's any good to come out of this... by zhensel · · Score: 2

    It's that no federal agency will ever be able to sensibly prosecute the Bonsai Kitten in the near future. PETA be damned.

    ...

    Scratch that, somehow I don't think that the government would be restrained by mere hypocracy. If anything that seems to be an insentive in its actions.

  29. Another cat cruelty story by PhilHibbs · · Score: 2

    If you're a cat lover looking for something else to get upset about, there's the Cat Cam project.

  30. Kitty Special Ops rules of engagement! by orius_khan · · Score: 5, Funny

    Use of kitties for special operations is far more widespread than many people realize. Here are some kitty rules as part of a widespread project to decrease the productivity of American citizens:

    Kitty Rules

    Bathrooms:
    Always accompany guests to the bathroom. It is not necessary to do anything. Just sit and stare.

    Doors:
    Do not allow any closed doors in any room. To get door open, stand on your hind legs and hammer with forepaws. Once door is opened, it is not necessary to use it. Especially after you have ordered an "outside" door opened, stand halfway in and out and think about several things. This is particularly important during very cold weather, rain, snow, or mosquito season.

    Chairs and Rugs:
    If you have to throw up, get to a chair quickly. If you cannot manage in time, get to an Oriental rug. If there is no Oriental rug, shag is good. When throwing up on the carpet, make sure you back up so the mess is as long as a human's bare foot.

    Hampering:
    If one of your humans is engaged in some activity and the other is idle, stay with the busy one. This is called "helping" otherwise known as "hampering". Here are the rules for hampering:

    1) when supervising cooking, sit just behind the left heel of the cook. You cannot be seen and thereby stand a better chance of being stepped on and then picked up and comforted.

    2) for book reading, get in close under the chin, between eyes and book, unless you can lie across the book itself.

    3) for paperwork, lie on the work in the most appropriate manner so as to obscure as much of the work as possible and pretend to doze, but every so often reach out and slap the pencil or pen.

    4) for people paying bills or working on income taxes or Christmas cards, keep in mind the aim; to hamper! First sit on the paper being worked on. When dislodged, watch sadly from the side of the table. When activity proceeds nicely, roll around on the papers, scattering them to the best of your ability. After being removed for the second time, push pens, pencils and erasers off the table, one at a time.

    5) when a human is holding the newspaper in front of them, be sure to jump at the back of the paper, preferably with a running start. Humans love surprises.

    6) when a human is working at computer, jump on the desk, walk across keyboard, bat at the mouse pointer on screen, then lay on the human's lap across arms, hampering typing.

    Walking:
    As often as possible, dart quickly and as close as possible in front of the human, especially on stairs, when they have something in their arms, in the dark, and when they first get up in the morning. This will help your human with their coordination skills.

    Bedtime:
    Always sleep on the human at night so he/she cannot move around.

    Litter Box:
    When using the litter box, be sure to kick as much litter out of the box as possible. Humans love the feel of kitty litter between their toes.

    Hiding:
    Every now and then, hide in a place where the humans cannot find you. Do not come out for three to four hours under any circumstances. This will cause the humans to panic (which they love) thinking that you have run away or are lost. Once you do come out, the humans will cover you with love and kisses and you will probably get a treat.

    One last thought:
    Whenever possible, get close to a human, especially their face, turn around and present your butt to them. Humans love this, so do it
    often and, don't forget guests.

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    1. Re:Kitty Special Ops rules of engagement! by CharlieG · · Score: 2

      Yep, you have a cat (or did)

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  31. "Terminal Man", by Michael Crichton by Lethyos · · Score: 2

    Read this. Fictional, but very interesting, and I think you'll learn that we've known how to modify brain activity with properly placed charges for quite some time. The brain passes signals using electrical impulses (more or less). If we can create our own, well, we can trigger certain results. "Damn, I'm hungry." *ZzZaaAApPp* "Wow, I'm stuffed!"

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  32. Re:the inhumanity by IronChef · · Score: 3, Insightful


    A whole bunch of people work for the CIA. They aren't all "sick fucks." If you don't like the cat thing, fine... but without "intelligence" we'd be a lot worse off than we are with it.

    The CIA may do some distasteful things, but you can't condemn them all for that, and you are definitely enjoying some protection from the agency.

  33. Re:hmm by zulux · · Score: 2
    And how Mr. Master can you catogize Hitler, or any true Fascist government, as left wing?


    I'm not speaking for Reality Mastser -

    Hitler was a leader of the National Socialist party . And even if you discount that -the only diferance between a faciest and a socialist is that the facist wants the governemnt to controll the means of production, while the socialist wants the government to own then means of production. A capitolist wants individual people to own the means of production. Clearly capitalism is a bit better - we've been to the moon and made the polio vaceane; all the Hitler/Stalin/Mao have done is murder a hundred million people.

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  34. Re:Ya, that's funny. by PhilHibbs · · Score: 2

    Dammit, the link worked in preview! Here's the mirror.

  35. more CIA operations by diarmuid_c · · Score: 3, Informative
    For instance Operation Mongoose where among other things America civilians would be shot, planes hijacked and ships sunk which would then be blamed on the Cubans, giving the US an excuse to invade.

    It's is suspected that the Gulf of Tonkin Incident was actually based on the above operation.

    If you havent read it already check out Body of Secrets , a recent history of the NSA, and proof that the land of the free is far from that

  36. Re:Try it today by Grab · · Score: 2

    "Universal Persian"? Starring Dolphin-friendly Catfood and De-Clawed van Manx?

    Grab.

  37. Re:hmm by volsung · · Score: 2

    This is sort of tangential, but we were discussing Hitler over the summer, and someone observed that we draw the political spectrum wrong. We always have a line with left-wing and right-wing at opposite ends. He noted that we should draw it as a horseshoe (where the ends are close together) since the extreme left and the extreme right have far more in common with each other than they do with the middle.

  38. Taxes by Hard_Code · · Score: 2

    ...I'm so glad they're putting my tax money to good use...

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  39. Re:hmm by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2

    Hey, genius, I'm not talking about the White House. I'm talking about the intelligence agencies and the military.

    Um, you might want to break out a civics book sometime. The president appoints the CIA director and the military chiefs of staff.

    The Nazis were right-wing.

    That's certainly what the left-wing propagandizers have wanted you to believe. It's simply not true. The Nazis were socialists. Isn't it remarkable that the more socialist a country is, the less freedom it has? Learn a little bit of history before you simply believe whatever you are told.

    Over the entire length of Clinton's presidency the right used every power at their disposal to try to bring him down.

    That's called "law enforcement", as I said. Maybe you think it's no big deal for the man who signs laws to lie under oath in a court, but there are many of us who believe that the man who signs laws should be held to the highest standards, not the lowest.

    The Republicans have tried to regulate speech, the press, and sex for a long time.

    I have many problems with the religious wing of the Republican Party, but on balance they consistently vote for smaller government and less restrictions on personal freedom. It's generally a minority fringe that do the religious nonsense. On the other hand, Democrats consistently vote to expand the power of government and its control over other people's lives. From LBJ's "Great Society" (the greatest damaging laws to American society ever passed) to Clinton's attempted government takeover of the American medical system. The left wing are the enemies of freedom.

    Now you're just not coming to terms with basic facts here. The 97th, 98th, and 99th Congresses were controlled by the Republicans.

    Sheesh, were you born yesterday? Note the "40+ years" of my comment. That refers to prior to the Republicans taking back congress.

    The fact that over the past 40 years Congress has mostly been controlled by the Democrats is simply because more Americans believe the same things as the party promotes.

    LOL! You really need to learn some history of the Democratic party's redistricting policies, purchasing of local campaigns, and the passing of pro-incumbent laws. I have a feeling you're pretty young.

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  40. Re:Why cats avoid water by austad · · Score: 2

    Actually, my cat loves water. He's a bengal (I have 2 of them). He'll sit in the sink, and I can close the drain and fill the sink up to his neck, and instead of jumping out, he'll drink the water. I can't keep him out of the shower either.

    The other one is curious about water, but doesn't seek it out like his brother.

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  41. Twit by Bob+Uhl · · Score: 2
    How was this a stupid experiment? If one could use animals to gather ground-level surveillance, it would save human operative's lives. It's a dashed good idea. Like animal testing: would you rather cosmetics be tested on rabbits or Little Susan? Given that intelligence must be collected (which is a fact), and given that animals could collect that intelligence (which was hoped), it would have made a lot of sense.

    Although it is a humourous idea naetheless. After all, in all the movies the guards don't worry about the noise when they see the cat. I can see the new scene:

    *tinkle*

    Guard 1: What's that?!

    Guard 2: dunno

    Guards see cat

    Guards: Holy Sh*t!

    Guards open fire onto poor mouser

    Everyone on secret base dies from an attack of plague carried my mice no longer kept down by local cat population.

    Wow, it was a wonder-weapon!

    1. Re:Twit by Tackhead · · Score: 2
      > If one could use animals to gather ground-level surveillance, it would save human operative's lives.

      Actually, I agree. The concept is great. The execution, on the other hand, left much to be desired.

      I have visions of two agents looking at each other, then at the squashed cat, and saying "OK, suppose we got this large wooden badger..." as they realize that someone forgot that getting a cat to go where you want it to go is a nontrivial proposition.

      I think the Japanese experiments where they glued mini-cameras onto cockroaches, and controlled cockroach movements by remote control, are a good step in the right direction.

      And for those who don't enjoy the cloak-and-dagger stuff, it would also come in handy for search-and-rescue operations.

      (Though in response to your "Guard 1 / Guard 2" scenario, I'd think "VOA: 'Godless Taliban Guards Machine-Gun Kitten to Death! Click here for .rm file'" would be more appropriate :-)

      Sick observation: ...because obviously, footage of Taliban troops machine-gunning human females to death didn't outrage us enough over the past 5-6 years. Maybe kittens are what it'll take.

  42. Re:Trained Cat? Hilarious... by susano_otter · · Score: 2

    So you're saying this program was the cat's idea?

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    Any sufficiently well-organized community is indistinguishable from Government.

  43. More evil things to do with cats... by markmoss · · Score: 2

    See this User Friendly cartoon.

  44. Re:the inhumanity by srvivn21 · · Score: 2

    but without "intelligence" we'd be a lot worse off than we are with it.

    The CIA may do some distasteful things, but you can't condemn them all for that, and you are definitely enjoying some protection from the agency.


    I have to respectfully disagree. I feel that the CIA had it's uses at one time, and likely did the USA some good (whether they did more good than harm, I will never know). But to me the CIA* is like "closed-source government". I can't see how they work. I can't even be sure of what results are directly attributable to them. If a leader of some small country mysteriously dies (or dies without apparent mystery), I can't be sure that my government had no hand in the matter.

    Am I enjoying protection from the agency? I don't know. I do feel (now more than ever) that I need to be protected from it. And that is just sad.

    Read the document that moved me from being merely ambivalent to having fairly strong doubts in the "secret" departments of the US gov. here.

    *The NSA, FBI and much of the military operations all seem to fit the bill here. The CIA was just the focus of this discussion.

  45. Re:that explains it by Tackhead · · Score: 2
    > Well, that explains why I overheard this last week:
    > "Mommy, I want an accoustic kitty... .pleeeeeeeeease can I have one?"

    Yeah. Wait'll SONY hears about this.

    Fuck AIBO!

  46. Major drawback by ocie · · Score: 2

    Russian Dude: Here kitty kitty, let me scratch under your chin.

    Meanwhile in the survalance van:

    CIA Dude: I'm picking up some sort of chopping sound, they must be jamming us.

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    JET Program: see Japan, meet intere
  47. Re:hmm by nomadic · · Score: 2

    Um, you might want to break out a civics book sometime. The president appoints the CIA director and the military chiefs of staff.

    But not departmental heads or most senior administrators.

    That's certainly what the left-wing propagandizers have wanted you to believe. It's simply not true. The Nazis were socialists. Isn't it remarkable that the more socialist a country is, the less freedom it has? Learn a little bit of history before you simply believe whatever you are told.

    I think your history is a little shaky. The "socialist" in their name doesn't mean they were socialists in the modern sense of the word. They didn't believe in redistributing wealth; instead, they simply believed that the industrial apparatus of their country should be used to further the governments goals. If it were truly socialist then corporate industry wouldn't have jumped on the bandwagon, and then prospered heavily from the governments actions.

    That's called "law enforcement", as I said. Maybe you think it's no big deal for the man who signs laws to lie under oath in a court, but there are many of us who believe that the man who signs laws should be held to the highest standards, not the lowest.

    "High crimes and misdemeanors" does NOT refer to being evasive about having sex, even in a courtroom setting. The entire independent counsel system was completely unconstitutional; someone who could ignore Constitutional restraints on unreasonable search AND was unaccountable to anyone is ridiculous. What the hell does his affair with Lewinsky have to do with the Whitewater deal, which happened years before?

    LOL! You really need to learn some history of the Democratic party's redistricting policies, purchasing of local campaigns, and the passing of pro-incumbent laws. I have a feeling you're pretty young.

    Oh spare me the condescension. Looks like I'll have to give you another history lesson.

    Redistricting is mandated by the Constitution, and has to be done every 10 years. Both sides attempt to get redistricting done to their advantage; if you actually believe that the Republicans don't do the same things then you're so credulous that you'll accept anything anyone tells you, as long as they profess to follow your ideology. I won't even respond

    Sheesh, were you born yesterday? Note the "40+ years" of my comment. That refers to prior to the Republicans taking back congress.

    Your history is once again shaky. Those Congresses I listed were from the 1980's.

    As for the comment about the left being "the enemies of freedom", it's probably the most ridiculous thing you've said, and that's saying something. Look at the Nixon administrations attacks on personal freedom--look at the McCarthy witchhunts--look at the Iran-Contra affair. Right-led presidential administrations

  48. BBC's propensity for losing stuff by TWX_the_Linux_Zealot · · Score: 2

    Well, yeah, the BBC lost it... They lost several SEASONS of Dr. Who, for cryin' out loud! They'd probably lose their asses if they weren't attached!

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    IBM had PL/1, with syntax worse than JOSS,
    And everywhere the language went, it was a total loss...