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Self-Assembling Nanocomputers
A Semi-Anonymous Coward writes: "According to this article a researcher at Harvard University has developed techniques for self assembly of nanoscale wires that operate without resistance due to a property called ballistic conductivity. He hopes the research will provide an 'end run' around convential top-down circuit designs, allowing much smaller, faster and more energy efficient computers."
So this sort of thing could easily mean that we could have tiny computers that run for a long time on a single battery and are ninety billion times better than anything we currently have, right?
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But since this is a Harvard researcher being written up in the Harvard press, my hype-o-meter is on the alert. Then I read this:
Lieber has "philosophical differences" with the industry's "top-down" approach to nanotechnology--taking big things and making them smaller. "The way to truly revolutionize the future," he says, "is to take a completely different approach: build things from the bottom up."
Pardon me, but have these philosophical differences yielded even a working flip-flop yet? The world is littered with "proofs of concept" that are too difficult to implement. I'll admit that this technology is extremely promising, but at this highly experimental stage of development it's hardly time to go bashing the accomplishments of the semiconductor industry. Unless, of course, you're trying to drum up press for yourself.
That said, sounds pretty cool. I'll be even more interested when they can form some basic logic circuits with it.
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I think I'm going to need a new job, sell my house, sell my stereo... Once anybody in the commercial world gets a hold of this, you know no-one will be able to afford it.
-mrbkap
After a while they will just self-assemble into a quake-IV-playing machine, but without having to worry about any sort of lame CRT-based frame-displaying device. Then you will never be able to make them do any sort of useful work.
All that technological progress... just for the ultimate game of quake. Hmm... sounds like a day at work...
(well, if I had work, that is. I think it would get in the way of playing quake, though...)
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With a statement like that, I bet half of the Army's decision-makers are already lining up to fund these guys.
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Since there's no resistivity, that means that calculations will be almost instantaneous, right? And it will have very low power consumption, no waste heat, and be incredibly small?
So this sort of thing could easily mean that we could have tiny computers that run for a long time on a single battery and are ninety billion times better than anything we currently have, right?
Sounds like magic to me. If it's too good to be true, it probably is.
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If it just assembled itself into a beowulf cluster of multiple instances of itself
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Yes, that WAS lame...
Has someone finally designed a working Von Neumann machine?
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Great, negligible resistance means nearly no heat, which means godawful small transistor sizes and separations. Cool! Nanotechnology is showing it's potential.
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With reproduction added to the mix, it can be argued that 3 of 4 of these benchmarks are covered. Whose to say that the fourth, evolution, wouldn't follow naturally?
ps: Once these nano-machines develop opposable thumbs, I think we could be in trouble.
ummm...that's all.
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Most MS trolls (Microsoft employees assigned to participate in public forums, pretending to be industry experts...sic), usually are...this is part of their 'profile', and one of the ways they attempt to endear themselves to neophytes....notice how the writing invites paraphrasing. Any number of rookies will take this trash as gospel, and regurgitate it around the water cooler for the next 6 months.
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All part of the big lie out of redmund...it will be while before it fades back into the darkness from whence it came.
Nice to know they are still afraid, however
... always make me think something like, "Go, Homo sapiens, go."
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Already, his lab has produced a transistor just 10 atoms across.
Do you read the articles, or do you just bitch?
Daniel
The Israelis came up with a dna-based nanowire a couple years back. There's some talk on nanotech mailing lists about using ribosomes (the things inside cells that assemble proteins from instructions encoded in RNA) as organic nano-assemlers. Theroretically (once someone figured out how to code RNA to produce the right molecules), the ribosomes could be used as self-assemblers to churn out miles of organic nanowire. You could even code robosomes to assemble other ribosomes, thus exponentially increasing output. The only costly part would be the (gold) electrodes.
There's certainly a lot to be said for the 'bottom-up' approach to nanotechnology. Cost for starters! One issue though is, how does one address these very tiny devices?
The problem with a whole bunch of identical tiny circuits is of course that they're all identical - there's no way to differentiate between them. There will have to be some way of distinguishing and interacting with these units.
A couple of ideas spring to mind though. One is to encode the position of one of these units in the unit itself as it is being assembled, by interacting with some sort of precisely engineered field. What would work (if anything) depends very much on the chemistry, but it could be something as simple as a gradient in an electrostatic field, to aligning with a very fine grid of polarized light. There are options, but it all sounds Hard. Schemes like this could attack the problem of differentiation, but there's still interaction and addressing.
One way to solve the addressing problem is to bypass it almost entirely. If these structures are sufficiently small, and can be engineered to act as a giant grid of finite-state automata with evolution rules based on neighbouring states, one can simulate a computational device with a version of Conway's Life on speed. Input and output can be done at the edges of the constructed array, which is probably going to be more simple than trying to address the middle of the structure. The problem lies in initialising the state of the array - clearing it is probably easy enough, depending on how state is stored, but priming it with a state that admits the computational task desired seems to be almost as hard as addressing the cells in the first place.
Another approach might be to give each cell some random state as it is constructed (and there should be plenty of sources of randomness at the molecular level to draw on.) Imagine that this state corresponds to an "activation key": when an appropriately modulated high frequency EM signal hits the cell, it pushes it over into an active state. Before this, it's effectively off (perhaps an off cell would simply propogate signals from its neighbours and do no computation). Give each cell some way of indicating that it has been activated (eg, it emits some light upon activation), and then fire random keys at the cells. This solves the addressing problem, and the interaction problem (one could use the same key for changing the cell's state) - but then one has no easy way of telling how the newly identified cell connects to the other addressable cells.
Do any slashdotters have any ideas? Or can point to literature where these problems are (ahem) addressed?
Well, aside from the obvious environmental and geo-political implications of self-replicating machines - there is another important aspect to such machines. Copywrite enforcement.
Just as magical as it would be to make a stable batch of these machines which would reliably work (even in laboratory conditions) - the thought of how these things would possibly be kept from being altered or copied ad infinitum is equal in terms of seeming implausibility.
What methods might work?
Making the constuction materials be of some "special" molecules? Not likely to keep people from making unauthorized copies before too long, plus it makes engineering potentially more difficult.
Adding extra logic to each one to ensure legality? Aside from again the engineering aspects, it is hard to even brainstorm minimally plausible ideas.
Harsh legal enforcement? The sheer convenience of these micromachines would ensure demand is high enough to bypass any law short of complete totalitarianism based on the product. This would be more than yesterday's computer, internet, or cell phone demand - once applications development hit mainstream programming, and then mainstream consciousness, the demand would be levels of magnitude higher than anything we've seen.
The only reliable way I could think to make these machines properly profitable would be to use societal paranoia and fear to convince everyone that these machines are dangerous, and only sell them to 'licensed technicians for clean-room-only use'. But this protection of profitability would only last so long before demand creeped back up, or some major catastrophy renewed the fear factor.
Everything about this sounds like it might make a good story though.
:^)
Ryan Fenton
Robots that can assemble themselves sound great and all...
but can they disassemble themselves and put their parts into the correct bin before its time for bed?
Know what I like about atheists? I've yet to meet one that believes God is on their side.
Quite frankly, electronic equipment that can re-arrange itself without any outside help scares me.
Nanobots set up for desctuction and stick a couple of millions of those into the water supply, there goes the people.... Don't you guys think nanobots could be used as an efficient weapon?
kawai
Resistance, being futile, is not responsible for the light-speed limit for electron flow. That's Einstein's fault. However, if the circuit is considerably smaller than current designs, then all the electrical pathways get drastically shortened and processing gets faster anyway...
Excuse me, I just had an image of a 55-gallon drum of these things sitting by my computer, quietly self-replicating into a Beowulf cluster of a billion-odd submicroscopic quantum computers. It could solve every computational problem currently on the books in the blink of an aibo, render all cryptography (except OTP) useless, and probably faithfully emulate the intelligence of several myriad Ph.D.'s long enough to invent a higher consciousness for itself, becoming an unimaginably transcendent cerebral being to which humans would seem as advanced as bacteria.
And think of the Quake framerates!
Optical based circuts
are practical,afordable, and constructable with current technology.
Best of all rudimentry optical circuts have
been used for some computing components such as
the orange macro powerbook excelerator
HUGE number decompilers etc.
On top of all this the could use 90% of the light spectrum thus allowing for at circtus aproaching the speed of light PER a spectrum.
No need for nanites other than style points then.
T-1000 here we come!
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Ahh, my favourite rhetorical recipe, the tautological soffle.
.. these can make 7of9 :)
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how does nuclear power work in to this???? i really do want to know incase i missed something but i dont see the connection
This must be Thursday, I never could get the hang of Thursdays.
This article somehow makes me think of the Borg in the Star Trek series. The Borg apparently use some sort of self-replicating nanobots/nanocircetry to controll their drone systems.
... okay. No more Trek. :)
I remember that in one Voyager episode, the Ferengi attempted to lure Voyager into som sort of wormhole in order to kill the crew, and get hold of 7of9's Borg Nanobots, since they where extremely valuable.
Now that we can build each other, it will never end...
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Wouldn't having indentical reproducing robots be a violation of the DMCA. Wouldn't one copywrighted robot be plenty?
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Wheres FMD? Its been completely finished for 3 years now, and no manufacture is touching it because they all want to support DVD, and support technologies approved by the movie and record companies. Technology which is too powerful to control, is surpressed for as long as possible until some small company begins selling a product based on it, THEN big companies jump into the picture because they have no choice.
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These thing could be graet for storage, IF you run out just tell them to grow some more and use them to store your data, the only problem would be security :)
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Self assembly is how the body builds a lot of its internal structures. I did a bunch of work on this in my doctorate - basically you can get some reasonably complex structures (e.g. a virus shell) from a small set of repeating sub-units.
One of the common structures found in all cells are 'micro-tubules' - long cylinders made of repeating tiles of a protein called, imaginatively, 'tubulin'. They look a bit like a coil of rope; technically it's most common form is a '4-start, 13 unit helix'.
Now the place these protein structures are found *most* commonly is in neurons, which are crammed to the gills with these things. And there is a (way-out, whacky, widely discredited, completely batshit, but still very cool) theory that the way our brains actually work is not just at the synapse level, but at the sub-cell level using these microtubules. (This would add maybe another 5 orders of magnitude to the available computing power of the brain if it were true; these suckers are small and there's *heaps* of 'em!).
The idea (and it keeps cropping up in papers 'cause it's just so appealing :-) ) is that
computations can be done using a 'game of life'
like system of electical charges on the outside
of the microtubule, where each unit adops an
electric polarity, and then 'flips' it's
neighbours depending on a simple set of rules.
It's a very cute idea, completely lacking in
anything so crass as experimental evidence.
These days of course no one believes a word of it.
<false modesty>For some dodgy work on nanoscale self-assembly, and for some half decent pictures of microtubules, check out my thesis at nanoscale simulation </false modesty>
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Self-assembly is very cool. Unfortunately this isn't an example.
He mixes the components together but then pours them onto a matrix. Then he mixes the next one and pours that on the previous one. So still cool, but not "self-assembling"
Self-assembling structures like proteins and DNA do exist, and are more useful. DNA is an example of a structure which includes positional info (i.e. addressing) which an earlier poster indicated would be important.
Likely a cell is a good example of an ideal machine. It's very complex, but it includes power source, self-maintenance and assembly. These little parts he's building (they're not even "machines" yet) don't address these issues.
They already do. They're called viruses. "Alright, let's make some pus!"