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New Star Wars Episode II Trailer Out

danov writes: "A new trailer for Star Wars Episode II has been released on Apple's website. It's called "Forbidden Love"." Don't watch this one if you want to be surprised when you see the movie. It gives away most of the plot. You have been warned. Update: 11/16 12:49 GMT by M : If you get "referral denied", just hit reload. Silly Apple.

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  1. VERBOTEN by waspleg · · Score: 2, Informative

    hmm.. link is broken already and no posts

  2. Stop here. by dda · · Score: 2, Informative

    Shouldn't read the posts too, if you want to have the surprise :)

  3. the link by shomon2 · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.apple.com/trailers/

    You can't go direct to /forbidden for some reason...

    1. Re:the link by shomon2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://www.apple.com/trailers/

      For you lazy people.

    2. Re:the link by Xpilot · · Score: 2, Funny

      You can't go direct to /forbidden for some reason...

      Well of course not. It's forbidden !.

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    3. Re:the link by PW2 · · Score: 3, Funny

      http://www.apple.com/trailers/

      For you redundant people.

  4. The link is good but... by adamwright · · Score: 2, Informative

    It won't let slashdot refer people there. Startup a clean browser & copy + paste the URL, and it works fine. Preemptive slashdot effect nerf? :)

    1. Re:The link is good but... by michael · · Score: 2

      Works fine for me - following the link from slashdot - in konqueror.

  5. No default page setup for the server by imrdkl · · Score: 4, Offtopic

    One must refer to the actual html page to get to the goodies.

    1. Re:No default page setup for the server by imrdkl · · Score: 2
      If you get "referral denied", just hit reload. Silly Apple.

      Dont think so. The problem is that their server does not default the index.html file (for that directory/location), but your link above is relying on that (default index.html) functionality.

  6. No Spoiler by _Neurotic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No, it does not give away most fot he plot. If anything, the "Mystery" trailer released last week gives away more of the plot. This one, from a plot perspective, focuses on the romance, which we all know is happenning anyway.

    I have been very carefull not to read spoilers online. I have watched all the trailers and I can safely say that I don't feel spoiled.

    Justin

  7. Yeah, watching it ruined the plot for me... by Colin+Winters · · Score: 5, Funny

    I mean, who was supposed to know that Amidala and Anakin fell in love? And that there would be fighting involving lightsabers? Damn it, Lucas, I wanted the plot to be a surprise! The next thing you know, Obi-wan will push Anakin into lava!

    Colin Winters

    1. Re:Yeah, watching it ruined the plot for me... by Gehenna_Gehenna · · Score: 5, Funny
      I heard a rumor that Amidala eventually gets preg.. oops... maybe I sholdn't have..

      (Enter George Lucas)

      VROM.... vroooom vroom vwap.

      Thud.

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    2. Re:Yeah, watching it ruined the plot for me... by Lysander+Luddite · · Score: 2

      "The next thing you know, Obi-wan will push Anakin into lava!"

      Are they really going to do that? I remember back in '77 reading a magazine that said that was why Vader needed the suit. Holy Cow! I wish I hadn't chopped that mag up for a photo collage back in 6th grade.

      *smacks head*

    3. Re:Yeah, watching it ruined the plot for me... by srichman · · Score: 3, Redundant
      I mean, who was supposed to know that Amidala and Anakin fell in love?
      IMDB officially lists Natalie Portman's character in Episode III as Padmé Amidala Skywalker. But you probably all already knew that...
    4. Re:Yeah, watching it ruined the plot for me... by Jburkholder · · Score: 2

      >Star Trek novelization

      Facinating. I had no idea there was such a crossover between Roddenberry and Lucas! ;-)

    5. Re:Yeah, watching it ruined the plot for me... by enrico_suave · · Score: 2

      I don't know if george will follow that plot line, but the whole Kenobi vs. Anakin duel where Anakin ends up toasted in Lava is discussed/alluded (albeit briefly) in the Shadows of the empire novel. I kinda really want to see that battle visualized, but george has said on many occasions that he doesn't feel obligated to make the movies "fit" all the novelizations and add-on books out there's universe/explanations/etc...

      E.

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  8. you can always... by Gehenna_Gehenna · · Score: 3, Informative

    download it from here. Enjoy!

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  9. Forbidden Love? by RasputinAXP · · Score: 2, Funny

    Doesn't that sounds more like a Ron Jeremy movie than a George Lucas movie?

  10. It has a plot? by gowen · · Score: 2, Flamebait
    It gives away most of the plot.


    It has a plot? Well, thats one improvement over The Phantom Menace then...
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    1. Re:It has a plot? by Rogerborg · · Score: 2
      • It has a plot? Well, thats one improvement over The Phantom Menace then...

      Shhh, don't tell anyone I told you so, but the twist is that Anakin and Amidala turn out to be brother and sister. I know it's been done, but George felt he hadn't explored the full Greek Tragedy aspects of it in 4-6. And besides, it explains a lot about Luke's strangely batrachian features and his own penchant for sister-groping.

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    2. Re:It has a plot? by gowen · · Score: 2
      This is +5 funny???

      Baffling eh? I'd say +3 at best, and I wrote it.

      TPM had a plot. You may not have followed it, or thought it tiresome or predictable, but it had a plot.

      Plot in the context I used it must be considered synonymous with coherent plot. And it didn't have one of those, merely an imperceptibly slim narrative line linking a sequence of overblown setpieces. (Unless you're suggesting that TPM had a small piece of ground for a specific purpose).
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  11. The most important question is... by jawtheshark · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...will we finally see a nude and petrified Nathalie Portman? ;-)

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  12. *** SPOILER *** by Krapangor · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hey, I'll give you the plot of the whole film.

    Mainly Geogre Lucas will be making much money by recycling an old and braindead SCI-FI movie be creating new films on the topic which contain no decent storyline but much special effects and computer animated pictures. Because the ending of the last movie of the old ones had left no sensible possibility to create any sequels, Mr. Lucas will have the innovative and cunning idea of creating prequels.
    And now the most important thing of the plot: many coloured things will expode (especially in vacuum with a loud "kaboom !). And some guys will jump around.

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    1. Re:*** SPOILER *** by Rogerborg · · Score: 4, Funny
      • Mr. Lucas will have the innovative and cunning idea of creating prequels.

      The really clever bit is the way he avoided carefully making any reference to anything that happens in the prequels when he made 4-6, so that the prequels appear to be non-canon and irrelevant at best, contradictory at worst. That was some forethought, George!

      I'm taking bets that Jar Jar turns out to be Boba Fett. Then the rape of my childhood memories will be complete.

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    2. Re:*** SPOILER *** by Jburkholder · · Score: 2

      >lucas had the scripts finished BEFORE the first "trilogy" came out

      Actually, the way I remember the interview with Lucas, he did have an entire story that spanned from Anakin to Luke and Leia on to Leia and Han's offspring, but that was just too much to ever make into a single movie.

      So, instead of starting at the beginning, he picked a rather pivotal section within his overall story, the dawning of Luke's jedi destiny and his role in the rebellion's destruction of the imperial "moff" establishment (embodied in Tarkin's DeathStar) to develop as his first movie "E4".

      Saying he had the scripts written all along is an overstatement. He certainly had the "back story" developed, but the screenplay(s) for episodes 1-3 were almost certainly not finshed (or even begun?) until after ROTJ was in the can.

    3. Re:*** SPOILER *** by nathanm · · Score: 2
      I'm taking bets that Jar Jar turns out to be Boba Fett. Then the rape of my childhood memories will be complete.
      Noooooooooooooooooooo!!! (much louder than Luke when Vader tells him he's his father)

      If this happens, could George Lucas be charged with character assassination?
    4. Re:*** SPOILER *** by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2

      Because the ending of the last movie of the old ones had left no sensible possibility to create any sequels, Mr. Lucas will have the innovative and cunning idea of creating prequels.

      So since we already have sequels to these movies, does that mean the next three are going to be episode -2, -1 and 0? Maybe he will just renumber them again. :)

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    5. Re:*** SPOILER *** by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2

      Um. Star Wars was pretty dumb when you really get around to it. It wasn't really SF either (but rather fantasy). But it was _still_ a great movie.

      Now, he's certainly creating a market for toys, no doubt, but things are pretty much like they were in the late 70's/early 80's except this time around (Ep1) he tried to tell too much story and ended up with a muddled movie.

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    6. Re:*** SPOILER *** by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2

      I could be wrong, but I seem to remember that the original movie didn't have "Episode IV", and that was added later.

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    7. Re:*** SPOILER *** by Kingfox · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That theory has already been explored.

    8. Re:*** SPOILER *** by Rogerborg · · Score: 2
      • being knocked into a sarlacc pit by a blind man on accident

      What the...?

      I had that memory nicely suppressed until you brought it up! You bastard!

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  13. Direct Link to the files.... by -douggy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Medium Size
    Large size
    Neither need quicktime 5.0.2 PRO they just say that on the html page.... Work fine in normal fre quicktime 5.0.2

    1. Re:Direct Link to the files.... by Nate+Fox · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yup..and to make things a bit more convenient:
      apt-get install curl
      curl -O -e http://starwars.apple.com/ep2/forbidden/forbiddenl ove_lg.html \
      http://starwars.apple.com/ep2/forbidden/media/640/ ep2_forbidden.love_m640.mov
      [fix the /. spacing]

  14. There's a rather cool 2nd teaser called mystery by Xpilot · · Score: 5, Redundant

    A link available here to the 2nd teaser which is supposedly only for owners of the Ep 1 DVD.

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  15. He *kissed* her! by Talisman · · Score: 5, Funny

    Here's my plan:

    1) Kill the actor playing Annakin
    2) Take acting lessons
    3) Beat out everyone else during the screen test for Episode III so *I* can be the one that gets to be Luke's father, if you catch my drift.

    Imagine if Episode III were rated XXX...

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  16. Best Part of it All... by Incongruity · · Score: 5, Funny

    No Jar-Jar sightings in the trailer...

    Please, let this be a sign of things to come...

    1. Re:Best Part of it All... by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, He's definitly there, in the first 15 seconds of the trailer you can still see that Lame attempt at crossing Bill Cosby and a frog in order to piss off anyone over the age of 5 and having half a brain thats functioning.

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    2. Re:Best Part of it All... by uberchang · · Score: 2, Informative

      Doh! Jar Jar is there! Or at least a Gungan is, check 19 seconds into the movie, right before Queen Amidala says "Annie?" It's on the far left. *sigh*

    3. Re:Best Part of it All... by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2

      I heard that on the DVD release there is one frame of JarJar where he's got no pants.

      OK, that was a bad Roger Rabbit reference.

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    4. Re:Best Part of it All... by donglekey · · Score: 2

      He is in there, in the mystery trailer, 24 seconds in, it is unmistakeable.

    5. Re:Best Part of it All... by ymgve · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't really see what everybody have against Jar-Jar. Is he really that more annoying than C-3PO was in Episode 4-6?

      I think old George wishes himself back to the days before the old Star Wars, where his works wouldn't be compared to what we nostalgia-deluded fans now treat as 'legendary'.

    6. Re:Best Part of it All... by SuperRob · · Score: 2

      It's "Ani." "Annie" is the red-headed chick with the missing eyes and the big furry dog.

    7. Re:Best Part of it All... by jmauro · · Score: 2

      No JarJar but their is Jimmy Smits playing Bail Organa. Yea you heard me that Jimmy Smits. I'd take JarJar anyday.

  17. Obligatory Crossover post for Linux users. by Nailer · · Score: 3, Flamebait

    Crossover. It plays Quicktime, Shockwave, Ipix, Efax, and other win32 web browser plugins under Linux.

    Works with Galeon, Moz, Netscape, and KDE 2.2.2 (currently in CVS).

    Proprietary license, but most code is given right back to the Wine project. In fact, Codeweavers seems to be almost THE Wine project - founder Alexander Julliard and many other core Wine developers earn their living at Codeweavers. So they seem good for the community.

    Download the demo or buy the real thing here.

    I own it, and its good (especially the recent 1.01 version). Yay trailers for movies that won't come out in Australia for ages, and banned Bjork film clips!

    1. Re:Obligatory Crossover post for Linux users. by brunes69 · · Score: 2

      It wouldnt be covered with them if you BUY the damn thing, cheapskate.

    2. Re:Obligatory Crossover post for Linux users. by srichman · · Score: 2
      It wouldnt be covered with them if you BUY the damn thing, cheapskate.
      I'm sorry, are you blind? I only posted one sentence, yet you somehow managed to only read half of it!?

      Here, I'll give you a second chance:

      "Yeah, Crossover is great if you want to pay $20 to see the trailer, or if you don't mind the video been completely covered with nag messages for 50% of its duration."
      Notice the two possibilities mentioned: either you pay $20, or you watch nag messages for half the trailer. I realize that buying it removes the nag messages, but I also realize that some people might not want to pay $20 for a proprietary product to watch a Quicktime trailer when they can watch the same trailer in mpg for free.
    3. Re:Obligatory Crossover post for Linux users. by marick · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I fail to see how this post is flamebait!!! This is a post about the crossover plugin, which is a really good product that I just used to watch the trailer!!!

      Sheesh!

    4. Re:Obligatory Crossover post for Linux users. by Nailer · · Score: 2

      AFAIK this won't allow Quicktime to work under a web browser. And besides, I'd rather support the developers.

  18. Annoyingly Anal Apple, P2P by shut_up_man · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You know, I'd be annoyed with Apple for preventing people linking to the trailer directly, and once again requiring an upgrade to quicktime pro for the hi-res version... if the trailer wasn't so drenched in schmaltz that I nearly physically barfed.

    But... I suppose I better swallow hard a few times, take a sip of water and make the suggestion that we put the trailers on various P2P networks... post filenames, and once you've got the trailer... share it, please?

    shut up man

    1. Re:Annoyingly Anal Apple, P2P by Tumbleweed · · Score: 2

      Hey, at least THIS time (a first?) they made it so you can save the quicktime, instead of having to download it every time you want to watch it.

      And one wonders why Apple has financial problems - too much money spent on bandwidth! :)

  19. LOL by theridersofrohan · · Score: 3, Funny

    I particularly liked this bit:

    Annie? Oh my, you've grown!

    It reminded me of this part from the phantom menace script (the abridged version:)
    INT. TATOOINE - SOME SHOP WHERE JAKE LLOYD IS HELD SLAVE
    JAKE LLOYD
    Hi there! Golly I'm cute.
    NATALIE PORTMAN
    You certainly are, little boy.
    JAKE LLOYD
    I'm the only one disturbed by the fact that I'm gonna bone you in episode two?
    :)

    Seriously though, can't these people _act_? The first half of this teaser is crap!

    1. Re:LOL by sharkey · · Score: 2

      Annie? Oh my, you've grown!

      From the AOTC script stolen from the Lucasfilm offices, we have Anakin's (Annie's) reply:

      "It's a hard-knock life,
      For us!
      It's a hard-knock row,
      To hoe!"

      Many Bothans died to bring you this pathetic name-association gag.

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  20. No by srichman · · Score: 2, Informative

    No, as a previous post pointed out, you can go directly to the large trailer and watch it in regular, free Quicktime. It might give you a referer error the first couple times, but if you click around a bit it'll work eventually.

    1. Re:No by EricWright · · Score: 2

      It gave me an error the first 12 times. I gave up at that point.

    2. Re:No by srichman · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think what some other people have mentioned is correct: open up a brand new browser window and paste in the URL. It just worked for me.

    3. Re:No by pcidevel · · Score: 2, Informative

      Right click and click on save target as.. ;)

      Worked for me.. ;)

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  21. http://www.apple.com/quicktime/ by acomj · · Score: 3, Informative

    works every time. Then just click on the starwars trailer button..

    I think the refering page has to be from apple.com for some reason.

  22. Re:Anikan's lightsaber by Salsaman · · Score: 3, Funny
    Perhaps it changes colour halfway through the movie.

    Maybe in the middle of the film, when Anakin is just turning to the dark side, it is purple ?

  23. And in case you're wondering when you'll see it... by Masem · · Score: 3, Informative

    Star Wars Episode 2 release to theaters in US is May 16, 2002; 20th century is aiming to get as near as possibly simulatenous release in the UK.

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  24. Re:Anikan's lightsaber by sandidge · · Score: 2

    Well.. I guess you could ask Amidala if it's pu... oh... you're taking about his lightsaber not his "lightsaber (wink, wink, nudge, nudge)". Just ignore me then.

  25. Better quality Mystery by srichman · · Score: 2, Redundant

    Here's a much better quality version of the Myster trailer (Quicktime).

  26. Love Plot by NetJunkie · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For those whining about the love plot in the movie, go watch the originals again. They always had that.

    This also shows you why Anakin ends up going to the dark side and how the conflict starts. This isn't just some tacked on plot.

    1. Re:Love Plot by sharkey · · Score: 2

      go watch the originals again. They always had that.

      Yes, but does the love story in AOTC involve incestuous themes? Any brothers and sisters, like in the originals?

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  27. Plot Speculation by Alien54 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I wonder if Lucas is going to steal a page or two from Wagner's Ring Cycle. (Others have seen some connection)

    I am thinking specifcally thinking of Sigfreid. This raised all kinds of uproar at the time of it's premier because of the way that it it went counter to the morals of the day (regarding forbidden loves, etc).

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  28. Re:Bad Guy with Red Lightsaber by alen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Papantine has a new student named Dooku or something like that. The people on the TheForce.net forums are theorizing that Dooku was always a student and Darth Maul was just there as an extra.

  29. Re:Anikan's lightsaber by Stavr0 · · Score: 2

    Prolly a case of lightsaber switcharoo; Anny loses lightsaber, force-grabs Obi-Wan's (who is tied up at the moment-see breathing trailer) or perhaps using a fallen jedi's ... BTW Obi Wan lost his saber, so in effect is saber belonged to Qui Gon...

  30. Re:Sean Connery by DarkEdgeX · · Score: 3, Informative
    Someone already posted it, but in case anyone else is interested, here's the actors bio off of Starwars.com-- seems he's playing a character titled "Count Dooku".

    http://www.starwars.com/bio/christopherlee.html

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  31. We haven't seen nuttin' yet... by denzo · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Just showing the love-story part of the movie hardly is revealing the plot of the movie. But I have a feeling that we're in for a big surprise when the movie comes around in May. Getting to see the Clone Wars in action will definately be a treat, in a war of Jedi against Mandalorians (the race whom Boba Fett's armor originates), Jedi against Dark Jedi, etc.

    To me, the Clone Wars is the ultimate climax of the Star Wars Universe. Luke defeating Vader pales in comparison.

    1. Re:We haven't seen nuttin' yet... by miracle69 · · Score: 2

      Getting to see the Clone Wars in action will definately be a treat, in a war of Jedi against Mandalorians

      Dalorians? I thought those were banned after the Back to the Future series...

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  32. Dude by Apreche · · Score: 2

    I like that part where the dude who looks like Sean Connery whips out the red light saber. ALso likin' the Boba Fett. Not likin' the lovy dovy crap. Mo evil makes better movie.

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    1. Re:Dude by iainl · · Score: 3, Informative

      Dude, thats Christopher 'Fucking' Lee! As in Dracula, The Wicker Man, Man With The Golden Gun, the upcoming Lord Of The Rings etc. The guys an institution, practically. 'Dude who looks like Sean Connery' doesn't even begin to cover it.

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    2. Re:Dude by cowboy+junkie · · Score: 2
      Dude, that's Christopher 'Fu-Manchu' Lee! As in The Castle of Fu Manchu - one of the most incomprehensible movies ever to be shown on Mystery Science Theater.

      Doubtlessly, after Episode I he was drawn to working with Lucas like a moth to flame...

  33. It's All Attitude by RWarrior(fobw) · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All the griping I've read about how "horrible" Episode I was, and Episode II will be, makes me think that people who think that aren't looking at the movies with the right attitude.

    "Great cinema" they are not. But these movies aren't intended to be Schindler's List or Saving Private Ryan. If you want that kind of movie, go see it. This isn't it, and it isn't intended to be it.

    I saw Episode I several times in the theater, and I now own the DVD, and I've enjoyed the use of the money I spent.

    I went to see Episode I looking for several things:

    - Cool special effects
    - A decently entertaining script
    - A great light sabre battle at the end
    - The first part of a story whose ending I already know

    I got every one of those things, and I was very pleased.

    I didn't expect Oscar-quality acting, spine-tingling plot lines, statements on the human condition, or exploration of some societal quandry. I didn't get them. Star Wars isn't that kind of movie; it isn't intended as that kind of movie.

    Star Wars is a series of movies where you don't have to think real hard about them. Sometimes I want a movie that will challenge me (Schindler's List, Philadelphia). Sometimes it can be fun to just turn your brain off and watch something mindlessly amusing (Something About Mary, Rollerball (the original), A Knight's Tale, Logan's Run). Star Wars is in this second category.

    Whether or not you enjoy Star Wars Episode II for what it is, I think, depends a lot on what you expect.

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    1. Re:It's All Attitude by Christianfreak · · Score: 2

      No no no... Star Wars is in a category of those rare movies that while they don't make you think much they're original. People keep complaining about star wars "being done before". Yeah in the 70s with the first movies, Lucas has a right to build off that, he can't steal his own idea! That said I loved Episode I. It wasn't anything like I expected it to be (which may be everyone's problem). And after seeing these trailers, I know the E II is going to be even better.. can't wait until May!

    2. Re:It's All Attitude by startled · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, I appeal to you, masses-- lower your standards! They are too high! People can make shit and you can enjoy it, if you simply lower your opinion of people.

      No thanks. You try to imply that people expected "Oscar-quality acting, spine-tingling plot lines, statements on the human condition, or exploration of some societal quandry", but that's obvious hyperbole. People wanted another movie that would exhilarate them the same way the first three movies did. Those movies did an amazing job of catching you up in them right from the beginning with stunning new environments, interesting (but not confusing) plots, and just enough of the mystical to further inspire a sense of wonder and awe-- combined with some fabulous action.

      What'd we get in ep. 1? Boring shots of crap we could care less about. Uninteresting locales. Dehumanized acting (the largest damning factor, I think). Honestly, the only enjoyable part was the 2-on-1 light saber battle. Take all that, bad enough as it is, and toss in Jar-Jar, who damns so obviously and in so many ways that I don't even need to delve into it.

      So no, I won't lower my standards. I won't be so easily amused. Instead, I'll simply go watch good movies, and if the new Star Wars movies continue to suck, so be it. In many cases, it's not the sequels (prequels, whatever) that carry on the spiritual legacy of a fabulous movie. It's the new movies made by new people who still want to do something new and exciting and better-- not just try to be as good as what they've done before.

    3. Re:It's All Attitude by JWhitlock · · Score: 2
      Contrary to what others have said, Schindler's List was thought provoking. Some lessons I learned:

      Nazis were bad

      Jews were screwed by the Nazis

      Not all Germans are bad (one wasn't)

      Capitalism CAN save lives!

      Black+White=CLASSY

      When your audience can't be trusted to remember a face, use RED

      I cried when E.T. died. I never cried during the List

      Spielberg needs to spend some more time with 8-year-olds.

    4. Re:It's All Attitude by Velex · · Score: 3, Interesting

      While it's true that attitude is a lot of the problem with the way that people are viewing the prequels, The Phantom Menace left a lot to be desired for me. I don't consider myself a Star Wars fan in that I read any related books (although I have leafed through a few that my borther has), but I worship episodes 4-6, because they are an adventure story and an allegory. In fact, I watced A New Hope in my tenth grade English class as an example of the genre of adventure stories, and we analyzed it for archetypes.

      The problem I have with The Phantom Menace is manyfold, but mostly it comes down to the fact that it didn't do a good job of setting up the allegory of Star Wars for episodes 4-6. Now, my oppinion of The Phantom Menace is largely dependant on the semantics of how Anakin turns to the dark side. The title "Attack of the Clones" isn't very encouraging to me in that regard. The first thing that came to mind was "Attack of the Killer Tomotoes" -- why coulnd't the episode simply be name, "The Clone Wars?"

      On that note, I loved a few things about The Phantom Menace, but only if "Attack of the Clones" and episode 3 deal with them properly:

      • The fact that Anakin will in fact bring balance to the force, but not the way that the paranoid Jedi council, who is haunted by perceptions of the Sith and other bad things as outnumbering them, imagines.
      • Anakin merely wants to free the slaves on Tatooine -- how will Palpatine warp innocent Anakin into the evil Darth Vader?
      • The council on Coruscant was manipulated by Palpatine to vote him as their leader in order to resotre order and justice against the "evil men," as Fearless Leader #43 would say, of the Trade Federation: what kind of new order will Palpatine enforce. This should be a big opportunity for Lucas to comment on how the "war" against terrorism is being used, much like the "war" against drugs, to curtail civil liberties.

      There are many others, but those are the ones that come to mind at the moment. The problem is, with the whole Jar Jar debacle, I don't know if I can trust Lucas with his own story -- perhaps I'm looking too deeply into the Star Wars saga, but there's much more there than simply cool special effects, comedy, and neato light saber battles.

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  34. Atleast this trailer... by DarkEdgeX · · Score: 2

    ...explains where those damned doughnut shaped ear-muffs Leia wore in Star Wars came from!

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    1. Re:Atleast this trailer... by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 2

      I thought the exact same thing!

      Funny, though, I seem to recall Lucas saying that he'd really like to do a new special edition of SWIV, where he gets rid of the danish pastry hairdo on Leia and the '70s Sean Cassidy look on Luke. Guess he changed his mind.

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  35. For crying out loud by chazzf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Was I the only one here who thought that the trailer boded well for Episode II? Grow up, people, and consider that what you saw made some sense. If Anakin is truly in love with Amidala and Obi-Wan nails him with Jedi rhetoric it is entirely understandable that he'd be pissed. We KNOW that the Skywalkers are an unstable family anyway...

    As for the complaints about acting, I think we all forget the wonderfully talented Oscar-level performance of Mark Hamill has whiny-boy, er, Luke Skywalker. Saying that "you've grown" seems entirely appropriate for the situation. Similarly, "I'll be the greatest Jedi ever" is exactly the sort of thing an angry unstable twenty-something whose mad at the galaxy would say in a moment of duress.

    Finally, the action scenes are looking reasonably decent. Anyone else notice Boba Fett? Christopher Lee? If Lee does his usual good turn it should be a lot fun. Finally, NO Jar-Jar anywhere in the trailer. This is a Good Thing. More than anything, I think it suggests that Lucas listened to the public outcry about said abomination.

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  36. So who was it with Anakin in the last scene? by John+Harrison · · Score: 2
    If you go frame by frame in the last scene you can see Anakin about to slice off the head of someone who looks like a grainy Darth Maul.

    Is this something similar to the cave in ESB where Luke slices up the Darth Vader of his fears? Or is there a Darth Maul clone?

    Also similar to ESB: there is going to be an asteroid field scene. For those who want, here is my ESB inspired asteriods game: Ultimate Blaster.

  37. Attack of the Clones deciphered by Mumble01 · · Score: 2, Funny

    millions of sperm
    egg
    pregnancy
    Death Star
    awww... Uncle Owen!

  38. Re:Quicktime Pro?! by TotallyUseless · · Score: 2

    quick correction... the free version is crippled. no editing features, no simple way to save movies from the web without digging in the cache, and fullscreen viewing is disabled.

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  39. Re:Dissapointed by Eccles · · Score: 2

    Why was a Queen elected? The very fact that she is a Queen makes election, well stupid.

    It may be that on Naboo, generally the role of queen is ceremonial; it was only the Trade Federation invasion and the fact she was free that made her more essential than usual.

    surely if you were trying to lie low (which is what I assume the sith do) why be so bloody obvious with black makeup and horns.

    Perhaps his force skills include a "Somebody else's problem" field, so most people simply don't notice his appearance. Or perhaps his species actually all look like that.

    Why was R2D2 given a "special commendation" when all the other droids were referred as "We're losing droids..."

    Same reason people will pay millions for Mark McGwire's 70th home run ball, even though it's just like every other pro baseball.

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  40. Episode II - Attack of the Clowns by gando · · Score: 2, Funny

    heh.

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  41. Re:Sean Connery by DarkEdgeX · · Score: 2

    I never said it was Sean Connery. Click the link next time.

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  42. call apple and bitch.... by thogard · · Score: 2

    Ask them how your expected to see the wonders of os 10 when you can't see any of their damn previews because you run linux.

  43. Irresponsible annakin! by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 5, Funny

    Always sheathe your lightsaber, young padawan learner. "Using the force" just isn't a valid method of birth control.

  44. The turn by griffjon · · Score: 2

    Obviously we knew there was going to be some form of romance there, but remember at the end of Ep 1? We thought Anakin's mother getting killed was going to be a central reason for him going to the Dark Side. I think we have a different angle on that, thanks to the trailer.

    I watchted it anyway, but then again, I won't be in the states when it gets released, so...

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  45. Original Did Indeed Say "Episode IV" by albamuth · · Score: 2
    Right there when the yellow words scroll up:
    Episode IV: A New Hope

    I remember seeing it as a kid, thinking, "What the heck is this Episode 4 business?"

    On an aside, Ep.4 was SO different, even from 5 and 6 in terms of pacing and direction -- there were actually SLOW moments! Probably because it was the only one Lucas actually directed. Just watch the original (not special edition) and you'll see what I mean.

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    1. Re:Original Did Indeed Say "Episode IV" by KlomDark · · Score: 2

      No back to you. While the movie itself was not referred to as "Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope" until recent years, the movie, the absolute original shown in theaters, always had "Episode IV" in the yellow scroll intro. I know, I was there, I was only eight, but I remember it like it was yesterday and wondering what I had missed. :)

  46. Natalie's Got Back! by nellardo · · Score: 2
    In this huge crowd of slobbering Natalie Portman fans, not a one of you mentions her completely backless gown? Or the leather bustier?

    You're slipping, guys!

    :-)

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  47. Worst Episode II Ever by dswensen · · Score: 2

    Rest assured, come May 2002, I will be on the Internet within minutes expressing my displeasure.

  48. What does love have to do with anything? by johns713 · · Score: 2, Funny

    All I've got to say is the next movie better be dark. I will give Lucus the whole love story thing in ATOTC. TPM sucked, except for Darth Mule of course. But the next movie better be dark.

    And when I say dark I don't mean "my isn't the night sky lovely tonight". I mean "MY God! They just shoot they poor guys dog!" dark.

    I mean I want to see Dark Vader come out taking candy from babies, kicking old ladies down stairs, pulling on Yoda's ears will singing the theme to South Park.

    I mean eerie dark.

  49. Re:Shot on a not-so-cheap camcorder by frank249 · · Score: 2

    I tried the link to the $102,360 Camcorder but all that comes up is:

    This site is currently unavailable
    for Netscape 6 users, please click
    here to download the Netscape 4.76
    browser or open this URL in
    your older version of Netscape.


    This is the only site that I have had a problem with NS 6.2. Does it open in Mozilla?

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  50. No trailer for me by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 2

    I downloaded all 27.9MB of the large trailer, but Quicktime Player just launched Internet Explorer and sent me back to the trailers site.

  51. Re:Ruminations on this Trailer by NeuroManson · · Score: 2

    That's actually (insert snooty nerd voice) one of the earlier designs for the speeder bike proposed for Return of the Jedi (See: The Art of Star Wars, No. 6)... George seems to be recycling a bit in the way of previous designs, such as the Naboo runner from the original Ralph McQuarrie designs for episode 4...

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  52. Destroys the argument for DVD region lockout by yerricde · · Score: 2

    Star Wars Episode 2 release to theaters in US is May 16, 2002; 20th century is aiming to get as near as possibly simulatenous release in the UK.

    If Fox manages to pull off a simultaneous theatrical release in major markets and then a simultaneous DVD release in major markets, Fox won't be able to hide behind the "staggered release schedule" argument for region lockout. Once AOTC hits second-run theaters, why don't we all go ask Fox to make the DVD region-free?

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  53. Like mother like daughter by Dyolf+Knip · · Score: 2

    Did anyone else notice the scene where Amidala had her hair in those damned earmuffs?

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  54. Re:Quicktime Pro?! by reverius · · Score: 2

    Induction Proof
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    Hypothesis: $29.99(n) = 0.

    i) let n=1
    $29.99(1) = 0(1) = 0
    ii) set n=k
    $29.99(k) = 0k = 0

    iii) prove n=k+1
    $29.99(k+1) = 0(k+1) = 0
    0(k+1) = 0k + 0(1) = 0
    0 = 0

    QED

    $29.99(n) where n = 33344.45...

    $29.99(33344.45) = ~ $1,000,000 USD

    Proof: assuming $29.99 is nothing, $1m is nothing.