Motherboard Preview From Comdex

adpowers writes "Anandtech has a large preview of upcoming motherboards shown at Comdex." P4s dominating Athlons, lots of DDR SDRAM boards. A quite lengthy article. The FIC pages have several interesting looking PCs, I dig the AquaPad, a WinCE Transmeta box.

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w00ta first post

[ToeSmacK]

blah

Re:w00ta first post

[cyborg_monkey]

w00t!

motherboard

[peepoh]

Tuesday, November 6, 20001. Digging through some boxes in the Psychology lab where I work today, I discovered an ancient box full of syringes, heroine, and what looked to be the Rorschact Test. Then I found instructions for an old experiment that had been carried out here in the lab during World War II. Apparently the experimenters hypothesized that if American soldiers were to shell the Germans with artillery shells containing a gaseous form of heroine and then dropped Rorschacht test cards from airplanes, they'd all just fall down into heaps of twitching, high-as-a-kite junkies. Naturally, it all made little sense to me. But then hey, why the hell not try it? So after preparing a syringe with the heroine, I pulled down my pants and injected it directly into my penis. Hey, I'm no perv. There's a lot of blood vessels in there just waiting to carry the delicious drug straight to my brain. I guess I should have known better than to inject 60-year-old opioids into my privates, though, because before I could remove the needle I slumped over forward and continued to fall -- all the way INTO one of the Rorschacht Test cards. Then some oddly catchy electronic music kicked in. Where was it coming from? So began Stage 1-1 of my odyssey.

Re:motherboard

[Retarded_One]

H is the drug of choice for the true conisseur. Congrats!

Will these boards solve Linux' problem?

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm curious...

Let's have a close look at the costs involved when running a Linux system.

An important factor in Linux' cost is its maintenance. Linux requires a *lot* of maintenance, work doable only by the relatively few high-paid Linux administrators that put themselves - of course willingly - at a great place in the market. Linux seems to be needing maintenance continuously, to keep it from breaking down.

Add to this the cost of loss of data. Linux' native file system, EXT2FS, is known to lose data like a firehose spouts water when the file system isn't unmounted properly. Other unix file systems are much more tolerant towards unexpected crashes. An example is the FreeBSD file system, which with soft updates enabled, performance-wise blows EXT2FS out of the water, and doesn't have the negative drawback of extreme data loss in case of a system breakdown.

According to Linux advocates, an alternative to EXT2FS would be ReiserFS. Unfortunately, ReiserFS is still in beta stage. This means it is not intended for production use (although according to many Linux advocates this shouldn't be a problem, which makes me wonder how (little) valuable they find your data).

The other proposed 'solution', EXT3FS, is nothing more than an ugly hack to put journaling into the file system. All the drawbacks of the ancient EXT2FS file system remain in EXT3FS, for the sake of 'forward- and backward compatibility'. This is interesting, considering that the DOS heritage in the Windows 9x/ME series was considered a very bad thing by the Linux community, even though it provided what could be called one of the best examples of compatibility, ever. When it's about Linux, compatibility constraints don't seem to be that much of a problem for Linux advocates.

Back to Linux' cost. Factor in also the fact that crashes happen much more often on Linux than on other unices. On other unices, crashes usually are caused by external sources like power outages. Crashes in Linux are a regular thing, and nobody seems to know what causes them, internally. Linux advocates try to hide this fact by denying crashes ever happen. Instead, they have frequent "hardware problems".

The steep learning curve compared to about any other operating system out there is a major factor in Linux' cost. The system is a mix of features from all kinds of unices, but not one of them is implemented right. A Linux user has to live with badly coded tools which have low performance, mangle data seemingly at random and are not in line with their specification. On top of that a lot of them spit out the most childish and unprofessional messages, indicating that they were created by 14-year olds with too much time, no talent and a bad attitude.

I could go on and on and on, but the conclusion is clear. Linux is not an option for any one who seeks a professional OS with high performance, scalability, stability, adherence to standards, etc.

Re:Will these boards solve Linux' problem?

[fishebulb]

i have to disagree with linux requires a lot of maintance. This is from my more limited experience but i have run a 10-20 computer network with routing, webserver, database, and printing. At times i forget about the server because its working so well. Then i will do a dist-upgrade and install a new kernel, and it will reboot and work perfectly again. This computer was built with spare parts in my basement. Its also named "Timmy" (from southpark) for a reason ;)

Re:Will these boards solve Linux' problem?

[sketerpot]

No, Linux doesn't require a lot of maintenance, as Microsoft will have you believe. It does take some skill to set up properly, more than the average windows user typically uses, but you can then forget about it, unless you want to make everything cooler by modifying it a lot, which you can do if you try. Much better than the windows config strategy of hiding everything from you.

Re:Will these boards solve Linux' problem?

[Anonymous Coward]

Really?

Ext3 is in the mainstream stable kernel.
ReiserFS is in the mainstream stable kernel.

FreeBSD with softupdates, by thier own admission, is almost as fast as ext2.

That "hardware problems" that you quote is a scapegoat of the NT community, not the linux community.

Re:Will these boards solve Linux' problem?

[Anonymous Coward]

Hello, Curious, nice to meat you!

Just wondering, how much does Microsoft pay for posting those messages these days? I hope it's at least $0.50 each, as it must take a fair amount off effort to write complete bullcrap like that and make it look credible. Then again, you might be one of the many 'volunteers' who do lots of work promoting & maintaining Microsoft products w/o being paid by Microsoft.

YHL, HAND.

Re:Will these boards solve Linux' problem?

[AstroJetson]

It does take some skill to set up properly, more than the average windows user typically uses, ...

Yes, but the average windows user doesn't bother to properly set up his machine. Thus Code Red, Nimda, et al. In fact the average Windows user probably couldn't even install the OS if he had to. I think it's actually easier to properly set up a Linux machine than a Windows one, but the key there is properly set up.

Re:Will these boards solve Linux' problem?

[Mandelbrute]

Linux doesn't require a lot of maintenance, as Microsoft will have you believe

Take a look at that link.

It's funny how everything from "Myth: Linux is more secure than Windows NT" down is in very small print. Maybe they shrank the font after Code Red?

Internal Slashdot Memo leaked

[Trolligula]

Internal Slashdot Memo leaked

This is truly a sad day for the Slashdot Community. I did not want to believe this, and I did not until I saw it being reported by major news stations today. But as we all heard at COMDEX last week there were reports of people handing out Ku Klux Klan material at the slashdot booth (including Rob Malda handing it out). Most of us read the story posted by jamie last week reporting this news (and by the way my hat goes off to jamie for having the guts to expose the people that sign his paycheck each week) - but Rob Malda quickly deleted the story and fired jamie. IANAL but I think jamie has grounds to take legal action for this!

Here's part of the memo cut'n'pasted from the article at CNN just in case they get /.'d:

Date: Nov. 7, 2001 From: Rob Malda
TO: Jeff Bates, Robin Miller, Jon Katz

Subject: Our successes

Body: As we go close to the completion of our mission I just wanted to send out a note to thank you. COMDEX will be when we finally approach one of our last steps in the conversion. Look how far we've come:

Plan: After much research we have found that late teen, early 20's men will be the best choice for new recruits. The largest group that should be easy to convert are ones that are very interested in computers. This because they will fight for a cause, very dedicated and they are looking to be accepted by others.

Step 1: Setup a website - this is how we will organize.

After the site becomes successful we will begin sell advertising which will help fund our great organization, the Ku Klux Klan. Also we will sell their email addresses and other personal information for more money.

Step 2: Gain the trust of the visitors and make them feel part of a "crowd."

They will bond well together as most computer users are of this age group and white.

Step 3: Get them worried about the government trying to take away things from them.

This will make them accept us easier.

Step 4: Begin making implied racial jokes.

We will slowly do this and they will get so used to it they will not even realize we do it so much.

Step 5: Pass out our KKK literature at one of their conventions.

Step 6: Start making them pay a "subscription" to the site.

Step 7: Open our new site slashkkk.org.

This will help continue funding the KKK and also show us how many dedicated soldiers we have.

As usual these messages are to be kept secure, if any of this information were to get out we would have to start all over.

As CNN, MSNBC and other major news outlets are reporting the way this internal email was leaked was because of Robin "Roblimo" Miller's ISP. As you may or may not know Robin is sort of a "manager" of slashdot. She had just got married 2 weeks ago to the son of the Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. When a local black person in her town read the announcement he was shocked - and guess what he has been a slashdot reader for a while and works at her ISP (WorldCOM). Armed with this knowledge he started reading her emails (I'm sure under other circumstances me and other slashdot readers would have cried invasion of privacy - but this was clearly understandable) and he soon ran across this email and forwarded it on to the authorities and MSNBC.

I had a feeling something was up when Slashdot had posted stories in the past about the KKK having rallies and they cried Free Speech in their favor. Also the implied racist jokes have bothered me lately. Also now I know why I've been getting all that spam!

Well i'm truly disgusted with this news. I guess I'm not alone when I say I will abandon this site. We had good times here, but obviously it was for the wrong reasons. CNBC is also reporting that Rob Malda may have also been in connection with Osama bin Laden in a plot to kill all the jews in America, he's being questioned right now - if this also turns out true I hope they give him the death penalty!

P.S. I did a whois on slashkkk.org:

Registrant:
Andover.net (SLASHDOT5-DOM)
50 Nagog Park
Acton, MA 01720

Domain Name: SLASHKKK.ORG

Proves this is all real :(

Re:Internal Slashdot Memo leaked

[SlaveTroll]

I just caught this story on FoxNews - it truly disgusts me that Rob would do this!

Re:Internal Slashdot Memo leaked

[Anonymous Coward]

this reminds me of something... niggers smell really bad.

Re:Internal Slashdot Memo leaked

[c4thy]

I heard about this on the radio, is this real? i dunno but i think a full fledge investigation needs to be launched. I was at comdex and i saw some ppl with shaved heads at the slashdot booth, but then again only the ragheads caught my attention, and luckily their booth didnt have any.

Re:Internal Slashdot Memo leaked

[Brownie the AssClown]

I hate slashdot nazis

Re:Internal Slashdot Memo leaked

[Guns n' Roses Troll]

Some niggers never die... They just smell that way.

Johnny Rebel, yee-haw!

Re:Internal Slashdot Memo leaked

[Anonymous Coward]

Infernal contraption!

Re:Internal Slashdot Memo leaked

[CmdrTaco on]

I found this out this weekend also, and i am truly disgusted. I almost want to give up this uid. Almost.

Re:Internal Slashdot Memo leaked

[dead_puppy]

what the fuck is an AssClown? did you perform at Mr.'s birthday?

Re:Internal Slashdot Memo leaked

[Brownie the AssClown]

AssClown is a derogitory term I have heard several people use. (And have used myself) I was just trying to think of a retarded name for my troll account. Brownie the AssClown just popped out. It sounds like a good stage name for some child molesting, perverted clown. Actually, Jon Katz would have been my first choice for a child molesting, perverted clown, but that name has already been taken.

pope on a rope

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Re:pope on a rope

[Guns n' Roses Troll]

I thought that spammer gave up a while ago. Guess not. Who is stupid enough to buy that garbage?

Re:pope on a rope

[CmdrTaco on]

Your mother.

Re:pope on a rope

[Guns n' Roses Troll]

No, wrong. My mother is very anti-drug. Your mother, on the other hand, must drink gallons of cough syrup in order to live with the fact she brought you into this world. When she looks at your picture her stomach gurgles and flips.

When you were little she attempted to smother you with a pillow. Lucky for you and not so lucky for us, your father stepped in the room and pried her away from your sickly, deformed, mush-filled head. The consequences of this semi-smothering were immediate and severe. No longer would you coo and giggle when Mommy inserted a finger into your already stretched anus. You'd lie there with a stupid halfwits smile on your face, waiting for the next feeding time.

Now, my friend, please suck unto my penis.

Re:pope on a rope

[CmdrTaco on]

And the fag with gay band in his UID says a lot of shit, but at the end of the day, he's just a lame shit eating hamster fucker. It's been said the GnR troll once ate so much shit in one sitting, within serveral hours he was sweating crap out of every pore in his body and convulsing like crazy. He was rejected from several emergency rooms until Phil's clinic took him in under the pretext he never came back.

Availability

[1alpha7]

And every damn one of 'em isn't available anywhere around here. It never fails; whatever MB I pick out as the best isn't available.

1Alpha7

Re:Availability

[ostiguy]

Dude, what would the point of a trade show be if you were going to see stuff that is available? Thats like going to a strip club where all the dancers are ex-girlfriends.

ostiguy

Re:Availability

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes, it is a "PREview".

Re:Availability

[Anonymous Bullard]

Let me guess, you aren't from the Far East...

I just bought a new board a few days ago - a Gigabyte GA-7VTXH (KT266A, SB128, ethernet) - plugged it in and booted the distro I had previously installed on the HDs and after reconfiguring the sound it's run purrrfectly.

Then I finally thought to give the manual a glance.. only to realize that everything was in Traditional Chinese. That's not my forte so I found the anglicized version from their website in PDF format.

I already knew that the components were supported under Linux (ain't life grand!) but decided to check Google anyhow for other users' takes on this board, only to find none. Now after reading this Anand review it dawned on me that even Shri (Sir) Anand is waiting for his review copy of this board.

So while you guys may lack the availability of the latest hardware, some of us have the iron but have nothing to read about it. :^)

Free Sil (n/t)

[Anonymous Coward]

subject says it all

Quoth Taco

[SanLouBlues]

I dig the AquaPad, a WinCE Transmeta box. == I dig ... a WinCE ... box.

Taco you've forsaken your roots!

Re:Quoth Taco

[Anonymous Coward]

He's trying to be subtle in breaking the news that he has forsaken Linux for Windows.
It's because everything just clicked, you know?

Re:Quoth Taco

[sketerpot]

The big point here, I think, is not the "Windows" part, but the "Transmeta" part, which you conveniently left out of your comment. Like it or not, Windows can function well enough for someone to, say, look at web pages. Besides, WinCE is supposed to be "Light weight". I can't attest to this, as I've never used it.

it's true

[Anonymous Coward]

I told my mother about this story, and she got bored to tears.

WOCKA-WOCKA

Osama Bin Laben, terrorist, dead at 46

[Anonymous Coward]

I just heard some joyful news on the talk radio.
The raving madman, mass murder and terrorist Osa Bin Laden was found dead in his afganian cave this morning. It seems that he caught some deadly STD previously only found with goats and ran out out nali healing fruits due to the US carpet bombing.
I suppose the slashdot crowd will be happy over his death, if you didn't despise his mad rantings there is no denying in his terrorist acts.

Looks nice, but...

[Quasar1999]

Sure the aquapad looks nice, but we can't put an AMD in the case... can we??? If so, put me on pre-order for 10!

Gasp!

[egg troll]

What? Hypocracy on the part of a Slashdot editor? This is clearly a first! However, I'm glad to see that Taco has finally realized that Windows is clearly superior to any shitty "free" OS.

Re:Gasp!

[Anonymous Coward]

I downloaded Windows XP for free.

Re:Gasp!

[egg troll]

Excellent! You'll find it to be a stable, robust OS with much more "real" software available for it than with other, free OSes.

nice guys finish last

[joel8x]

"...most manufacturers are not willing to get on Intel's bad side by supporting a controversial (or as Intel would say, illegally produced) chipset that offers no real advantages over the aforementioned two"

This just shows that in tough times, the rich get richer and strip the balls out of the companies that support them. I miss the late 90's.

Flame on!

[FortKnox]

P4s dominating Athlons, lots of DDR SDRAM boards... a WinCE Transmeta box

Let the flame wars begin!

This is a beaut of a setup! Perhaps we should bring in KDE, gnome, emacs, and vi in the discussion? ;-)

Re:Flame on!

[Anonymous Coward]

No, it's Gnome, KDE, vi and emacs!

Re:Flame on!

[Guillaume Ross]

you forget IE versus Net....errr nothing :)

Re:Flame on!

[sketerpot]

For got IE versus Netscape? Personally I like netscape better, but better than both is Opera. Small, fast, and free! It has never, in my experience, crashed. This is a good thing.

Re:Flame on!

[Guillaume Ross]

Bah it was a joke about how Netscape sucks now... Opera is OK, mozilla's rendering engine kicks butt, Galeon is my browser :)

motherboards/comdex

[Transient0]

i've been boycotting Comdex ever since i realized they were never going to feature an upgraded mainboard for my dual processor 486....

and it looks like this year is no exception.

Re:motherboards/comdex

[Anonymous Coward]

You do realize that Comdex is for other companies to show their wares and they don't manufacture anything (except hype, maybe)?

Re:motherboards/comdex

[MindStalker]

Doy you realize he was being funny.

Re:motherboards/comdex

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh, he was trying to be funny? I'm still looking for the punchline.

Maybe there's a HOWTO for funny posts I can link to for him.

Re:motherboards/comdex

[Anonymous Coward]

I'd post it for you, but I can't seem to get goatse.cx through the lameness filter...

Re:motherboards/comdex

[Anonymous Coward]

486 was the punchline.

Look, its a bird, its a plane!
SHIT! it is a plane!

ASUS ROCKS P4B

[Anonymous Coward]

It so stable I have not had one single crash....lay out is lovely

Re:ASUS ROCKS P4B

[Guillaume Ross]

I love my Asus P4T !! Great motherboard...

Re:ASUS ROCKS P4B

[Anonymous Coward]

I unloaded my rocks on my motherboard.

Unfortunately my computer was on at the time browsing http://www.natalieportman.net [goatse.cx].

The electricity travelled up the fructose semen stream to my urethra and shocked my balls. Now I have two well cooked "prarie oysters" to cut out of my shaved ballsack and eat for supper.

Way to go Comdex!

JonKatz's homosexuality is dying

[SlaveTroll]

JonKatz homosexuality is dying
Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered JonKatz community when last month IDC confirmed that JonKatz accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all homosexual fantasies. Coming on the heels of the latest GayMale weekly survey which plainly states that JonKatz has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. JonKatz is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Homosexual.com comprehensive ass-raping test.

You don't need to be a CmdrTaco to predict JonKatz's future. The hand writing is on the wall: JonKatz faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for JonKatz because JonKatz is dying. Things are looking very bad for JonKatz. As many of us are already aware, JonKatz continues to lose market share. Bloody sperm flows like a river of blood. JonKatz is the most endangered homosexual Slashdot author of them all.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

Slashdot leader CowboyNeal states that there are 7000 homosexual fantasies of JonKatz. How many ass rapings of JonKatz are there? Let's see. The number of homosexual fantasies involving JonKatz versus ass-rapings involving JonKatz posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 homosexual JonKatz fantasy users. Anal penetraion of JonKatz posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of JonKatz homosexual fantasy posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of anal penetration of JonKatz. A recent article put reacharounds involving JonKatz at about 80 percent of the homosexual fantasies involving JonKatz market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 fantasies involving JonKatz. This is consistent with the number of ass-rapings of JonKatz posts.

Due to the troubles of the Anal Sludge Eating Corporation, abysmal sales and so on, homosexual fantasies involving JonKatz went out of style and was taken over by fantasies involving CmdrTaco who sells himself on the street corner. Now CmdrTaco's Ass-Sex Company is also dead, its corpse turned over to another charnel house.

All major surveys show that JonKatz fantasies have steadily declined in market share. JonKatz is very sick and his long term homosexuality prospects are very dim. If JonKatz's homosexuality is to survive at all it will be among homosexual hobbyist dabblers. JonKatz homosexuality continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, JonKatz's homosexual fantasy is dead.

JonKatz's homosexuality is dying

Re:JonKatz's homosexuality is dying

[Guns n' Roses Troll]

If it hasn't been done already, someone should write a script that creates these things with a few argv's.

Meaningless.

[JatTDB]

Those are so irrelevant. All of these "Desktop Environments" suck shit. FVWM is all the window manager I'll ever need.

As to vi vs emacs, I've only got enough brainspace to learn one extensively (as in, know practically every keyboard command), and which of those is the editor that you can be 99% sure is installed on every damned UNIX box on the planet?

Motherboards with Good Looks

[PbHead]

Im still waiting for the Windowed Case thing to catch on. Everybody seems to want a Cool Windowed Case like the Modified PC60. But what about the motherboard thats showing through the window?

Sure some of the new Mobos with the trouble or post/boot LEDs by the ATX block are cool and all, but I'd like to see some real wowers. Like Holographic logos or images, LEDs in the fans that make cool effects, something that reminds me of a sequential flashing dilithium containment chamber, or just some cool colors on the mobo showing off it's sections or pathways. Anything would be better than the normal old motherboard sitting there, looking all blah.

In short, I want better use of a windowed case than just seeing if my fans are still spinning.

Re:Motherboards with Good Looks

[archen]

That seems more like a case for people who actually keep their computers clean. About the only advantage of that, that I could see would be the ability to watch your Athlon burst into flames in reasonable safety.

Re:Motherboards with Good Looks

[fobbman]

Awhile back AOpen came out with a motherboard that was black and the chipset heatsink was gold-plated. Very sharp.

While many of the motherboards out there are sticking with classic green, there are some that are still using black. AOpen has a line of motherboards that are black with silver, and my favorite Soyotek has a cool black board with purple PCI controllers and yellow RAID connectors. The Dragon can be found here.

Re:Motherboards with Good Looks

[Anonymous Coward]

Because you can't sell something that doesn't comply with FCC standards.

Re:Motherboards with Good Looks

[Guns n' Roses Troll]

A windowed case with holograms and stickers and flashy things is borderline rice.

Re:Motherboards with Good Looks

[Mistah Blue]

Watching to the tune of... "Burnin' down the house"

Re:Motherboards with Good Looks

[MoOsEb0y]

One great looking motherboard (which I own), is the ECS K7S5A. It is a black with a gold chipset heatsink. It's a full ATX form factor and has onboard sound and lan (both of which are supported by the latest linux kernels). It has sockets for both DDR and SDR Ram. The best part about it, is that it's only 57 bucks. (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit= manufactory&catalog=22&manufactory=1414) It's really the best board for the buck I've seen yet. My only advice when getting this board is to make sure you have a good quality power supply, because the power regulation circuitry on it isn't as sophisticated as something from ABit or FIC.

MOD PARENT UP, Bitches!

[The Turd Report]

Mod this fucker up to: (+5, Informative)

Keyboard insanity

[sketerpot]

How can anyone know practically every keyboard command in emacs? I keep seeing odd things like backward-evaluate-sexp, or something like that, and I can't make head or tail of it. I just use C-x C-f and such.

Anandtech all your servers are belong to /.

[WyldOne]

Does anyone have a mirror site yet?

i am legend

[Anonymous Coward]

I am Legend

Screenplay by Mark Protosevich
based on the novel by Richard Matheson

In 1995, researchers at the University of Kansas used
viruses linked to healthy respiratory cells to destroy and
replace diseased cells in patients afflicted with lung
cancer.

In 1997, scientists at the Krippen Center for Genetic
Research in Berkeley, California made a significant
stride forward. By manipulating the genetic
information in a common blood cell and infusing it
with the characteristics of a potent virus, they were
able to create a biological warrior cell--the viragene.
Once introduced into a host, the viragene could hunt
and obliterate the body's natural enemies--tumors,
thickening arteries, decaying bone. Anything. The
'enemy' would be consumed, digested, and
transformed into energy to fuel the viragene. It was a
perfect tool. And the possibilities were limitless. AIDS,
cancer, muscular dystrophy, even the flu--the viragene
could beat them all.

The first human trials began in March of 1998. The
initial trial group, dubbed the 'Krippen Ten', were
afflicted with leukemia. These individuals, along with
Dr. Krippen, were about to make more than medical
history. They were to forever change the course of
humanity.

"Being unconquerable lies with yourself; being conquerable lies with the
enemy."

Sun Tzu, The Art of War.

"We used to wonder where war lived, what it was that made it so vile.
And now we realize
that we know where it lives. That it is inside ourselves."

Albert Camus, Notebooks.

"'Let there be light!' said God, and there was light. 'Let there be
blood!' says man, and
there's a sea!"

Lord Byron, Don Juan.

A VIDEO IMAGE FLICKERS TO LIFE. A ruggedly handsome man with dark,
haunted eyes. Eyes that have seen hell.

NEVILLE
My name is Robert Neville. Today is October 17th,
the year 2002. I was born in 1960, on this very day,
so that makes today my birthday. (remembering)
Every year for my birthday, my wife Ellen would throw
me a party. A kid's party. Cake, ice cream, funny hats,
"Pin the Tail on the Donkey". One year she rented a pony.
It didn't matter that we were grown-ups and this was all
kind of silly to the neighbors. She just did things like that.
She brought such joy into everything she did, everything
she touched... (too nostalgic) I am forty-two today.
I feel fine. I feel fit. My mental state is... pretty good.
(withdraws) Let's start over. (focuses)
My name is Robert Neville. I was born forty-two years
ago in Des Moines, Iowa. I had a wife Ellen and a daughter
Grace. My father's name was Bill and my mother's
Charlotte. They were farm people.
I hope... Someday... When someone finds these tapes...
You will know who I was. What I was about.
What I tried to do. What I try to do. (withdraws)
I think I killed six last night.

THE VIDEO IMAGE TURNS TO STATIC.

INT. NEVILLE'S HOUSE - DAY

ROBERT NEVILLE switches off the VIDEO CAMERA pointed at him. He
collapses the tripod and rests the apparatus in a corner. He wears
shorts, a t-shirt, tennis shoes. He slices a CD into an impressive
MUSIC SYSTEM and Mahler's "Resurrection" Symphony BLASTS from speakers
throughout the house.

INT. NEVILLE'S HOUSE - EXERCISE ROOM - DAY

A serious workout facility. Weights, boxer's heavy bag, rowing machine,
etc. Neville pushes himself through a series of strenuous exercises.
His body is in fantastic shape. Taught muscle. Lean, not bulky. His
movements are lithe, almost graceful. More track athlete than body
builder.

INT. NEVILLE'S HOUSE - SHOWER - DAY

Neville washes his body and we notice the SCARS. On his ankles, wrists,
neck, stomach, back. A few are the results of crude stitches, the
others... Bite marks ? Scratches ?

INT. NEVILLE'S HOUSE - LIBRARY - DAY

Neville passes shelves filled with COMPACT DISCS, AUDIO CASSETTES, and
VIDEOTAPES. Another section filled with BOOKS and PAINTINGS. Only a
carefully selected few hang on the walls--Degas, Klee, Rothko, Van Gogh.
The rest are stacked like pallets. They must be copies. Mustn't they?

A TELEVISION gives us the "Today Show", A RADIO, NPR's "Morning
Edition", "Resurrection" in the background. A wall of sound. The sound
of everyday life. Normal life. Neville descends a SPIRAL STAIRCASE
leading to the GROUND FLOOR.

INT. NEVILLE'S HOUSE - GREENHOUSE - DAY

Neville strolls the aisles of a hothouse. Vegetables, fruit, herbs,
potatoes. All in carefully compartmentalized lots. Panes of glass on
the roof allow in SUNLIGHT.

Neville notices a loose screw on a shutter and pulls a SQUARE of METAL
from his pocket. It's an ALL-IN-ONE-TOOL--something Neville is never
without. Only two inches-by-two inches, it has a screwdriver tip, a
serrated 'saw' edge, a knife edge, magnifying glass, etc.

Neville tightens the screw, holds the tool in his teeth--a habit--and
makes sure the window is shut tight. Neville picks a few strawberries,
checks the Condition of a tomato plant, and trims a vine with the knife
side of the tool.

INT. NEVILLE'S HOUSE - KITCHEN - DAY

Neville sits at a table eating a bowl of oatmeal with fresh
s-strawberries, sipping a cup of coffee. On a wall mounted TELEVISION,
Katie Couric and Bryant Gumbel. Neville watches
with an almost disturbing gaze. He mouths along with them, somehow
anticipating the "live"
dialogue...

NEVILLE / KATIE
And for those of us who'd like to lose a
few pounds, Dr. Art Ulene will be here to
tell us about his new weight loss plan...

(If we paid attention we'd notice the information contained in the TV
show and radio "broadcast" is old and familiar. We know these stories.
There's nothing "new" about the news.)

Outside, we HEAR a DOG BARKING.

Neville enters a ROOM adjacent to the kitchen--a state-of-the-art
MEDICAL FACILITY. Operating table, pharmacy, I.V.s, EKG, surgical
equipment, you name it. He uses a hypodermic to withdraw BLOOD from his
arm. He fills two plastic vials and tosses the syringe into a BIOHAZARD
waste bin.

INT. NEVILLE'S HOUSE - BEDROOM - DAY

Spartan. Bed, reading lamp, a few books. A PHOTO of his wife and
child. on the wall, an HISTORICAL PAINTING showing Napoleon's surrender
at Waterloo. Nearby, within a second's grasp from bedside, are a
SHOTGUN and a .44 MAGNUM.

At a closet filled with very few clothes--all the same type--Neville
loses the robe and steps into a BLACK TIGHT-FITTING BODYSUIT. Similar
to a diver's wetsuit, but the material is more flexible. It's some type
of protective undergarment, composed of a Kevlar-like mesh.

He dons a Kevlar vest, a work shirt and durable pants. He slips on
combat boots, tucks the pants into them, and TAPES THEM . He adds a
"utility" belt and fits the BLOOD VIALS into a secure pouch. He straps
on two wristwatches and chains an ELECTRONIC POCKET WATCH to his belt.
Again, the DOG BARKS outside.

NEVILLE
All right, all right. Keep your fur on.

He picks up a REMOTE CONTROL and switches off the TV, radio, and music.
It's replaced by an EERIE SILENCE.

INT. NEVILLE'S HOUSE - GARAGE - DAY

A no-frills underground garage. A LAND ROVER, SPORTS CAR, and
MOTORCYCLE. (Now shut off, the walls are lined with HALOGEN LAMPS.)
Neville walks to an electronic control panel and hits a button. The
garage door opens, but it doesn't open vertically. Instead, a
horizontal panel slides back, parallel with the earth's surface,
revealing a slanted cement ramp leading to the garage below.

SUNLIGHT pours in from above. The DOG BARKS. A MUSCULAR CANINE
silhouetted at the top. Neville WHISTLES. The dog bounds down the
ramp, delighted to see its master. Neville reacts coldly. No, "Hi,
boy, how ya doin'?!" Nothing. We know the dog wants a reaction, but
Neville is firm. He opens a CABINET, grabs a bag, and pours some chow.
The dog hungrily devours his breakfast and Neville sees the bag is
empty. He opens ANOTHER and finds it's CRAWLING WITH ANTS.

NEVILLE
Terrific.

He dumps the infested bag into a trash Container. Neville whistles and
points to the Land Rover. The dog leaps into the vehicle. Neville
shuts the passenger door and we see the Rover has been customized. The
roof, hood, doors, and trunk are crisscrossed with BARBED WIRE. All
windows--save the windshield, and that is protected by chicken
wire--have been replaced by THICK METAL PLATES. SLITS are cut into the
steel, but visibility is limited.

INT. LAND ROVER - DAY

Neville climbs behind the wheel. The interior of the vehicle is
outfitted with emergency medical supplies, flares, heavy-duty
flashlights, lamps, rope, wire, tools. The dog settles an a blanket an
the floor. Neville hits a few switches and CLOSED-CIRCUIT MONITORS
flicker to life. Via video, they show the side and rear views from the
Land Rover. Neville starts her up and the souped-up engine ROARS to
life. We stay within the Land Rover as it ascends the ramp.

NEVILLE
(donning sunglasses)
Another beautiful day.

EXT. CITY STREET - DAY

The Land Rover speeds along. We vaguely recognize the road as one of
streets of SAN FRANCISCO, but something's wrong. The road is in great
disrepair and littered with debris. The trees are barren, the area
deathly silent, and there is absolutely no other traffic.

INT. LAND ROVER - DAY

Neville continues to listen to Resurrection an the Rover's CD player.
He spots a DRIVE-WAY and turns into it.

EXT. RADIO STATION - DAY

High on a hill sits an abandoned broadcasting facility and tower. This
too is in utter disrepair. The Land Rover is parked outside, the dog an
guard. A desolate wind whistles.

INT. RADIO STATION - BASEMENT - DAY

Very familiar with the equipment, Neville connects wires, throws
switches, and powers up the EMERGENCY GENERATOR.

INT. RADIO STATION - DJ BOOTH / CONTROL ROOM - DAY

Neville adjusts the mixing panel and takes a seat behind a microphone.
(Throughout this scene we will notice that the radio station looks like
a tornado blew through it.)

NEVILLE
Good Morning San Francisco. Big Bob Neville
here with you this morning, as I am every morning.
Monday through Sunday, seven days a week, three
hundred and sixty five fucking days a year. Traffic?
There is none. Weather? Who cares. News? I'm still
alive. What about you, San Francisco? How 'bout
giving me a call? 1-800-F-U-C-K-Y-O-U.

He glances to his right. The Telephone switchboard panel is shattered,
dead, covered with dust.

NEVILLE
Wow. The board's lit up like a Christmas tree.
Too bad our time is up. If you would like to see
me in the flesh, however, I'll be doing a personal
appearance this afternoon at Golden Gate Park.
Today and every day. 12 Noon. All you have to do
is show up. (dead air) Please (more silence, then
pops a tape cart into a player) I leave you today
with one of my favorites. I know you're sick of the
fact that I only play classical music, but frankly, I don't
care. I like it. And right now... that's all that matters.

An Eric Satie piano concerto. Melancholy and haunting.

EXT. DOWNTOWN STREETS- VARIOUS - DAY

MUSIC CONTINUES as the Land Rover cruises through the heart of the city.
We don't spend much time here and it's frustrating, because we can't
fully comprehend the visual make-up of downtown. The streets are
deserted, litter and dust blow freely with the wind and the buildings
look ravaged. Looted? Burned? Destroyed by earthquake?

EXT. PET STORE - DAY

Neville and the dog exit the Rover and for the first time we notice
Neville wears a shoulder holster containing a .45 automatic. and carries
an M-16 machine gun. A high-intensity flashlight is attached to the
machine gun barrel and extra ammo clips taped to its handle.

INT. PET STORE - DAY

Merchandise is scattered on the floor--chew toys, plastic bones,
etc.--and the dog is drawn to it. Neville whistles and the dog obeys,
disappointed. Neville switches on the flashlight and heads for a
STORAGE ROOM.

INT. PET STORE - STORAGE ROOM - DAY

Neville KICKS IN the door. The flashlight beam dances to all corners.
Nothing but old supplies. The dog prances in and leads Neville to the
bags of chow. He hefts them onto his shoulder. Whistles. The dog
doesn't follow. His vision is locked on a thick piece of rawhide. He
turns his sad eyes to Neville, who gives in, nods. The dog happily
grabs it between his teeth.

EXT. GOLDEN GATE PARK - DAY

The monuments still remain, but the grass is scorched, tall, and dry.
Neville eats a sandwich he made at home and the dog chews the rawhide.
Neville checks his watch. 12:45. Scans the area. Absolutely no one in
sight. Forlornly, he stares at the ground, the cracks in the
pavement... Alone.

EXT. DOWNTOWN STREET - DAY

The streets are abandoned, buildings deserted. The Land Rover parked at
an intersection, the dog on lookout. Neville stands beneath a lamp
post, a coil of WIRE over his shoulder. He measures a length, tosses it
over the arm of the post, and creates an old-fashioned SNAPE out of the
cable. He adjusts, tightens, and pulls one of the vials of blood from
his utility belt. He takes a rag, douses it with the blood, and
positions it as "bait" in the snare. Satisfied with the trap, he
whistles for the dog and returns to the Land Rover.

EXT. ANOTHER STREET - DAY

Neville sets another snare.

EXT. DEPARTMENT STORE - DAY

The Land Rover pulls to a stop in front of what used to be
Nieman-Marcus. Right now, it looks like a ghetto tenement.

INT. LAND ROVER - DAY

Neville's eyes are glued to something across the street...

EXT. STREET - DAY

A BODY dangles from one of Neville's traps--one he must have set a
previous day. It hangs limply, ankle ensnared by the cable, its head
hanging a few feet above the ground.

EXT. LAND ROVER / STREET - DAY

With the dog at his heels, Neville chambers a round in the .45 and
approaches the body.

ANOTHER ANGLE

Quite abruptly, we are watching Neville from across the street, HIGH
ABOVE, from a sixth or seventh story window. We HEAR movement and
labored breathing.

BACK ON THE STREET

Neville reaches the body and spins it around. As soon as he sees the
face of a MANNEQUIN, he knows he's fucked.

THE HIGH ANGLE

We HEAR a bolt slide on a rifle and we realize we're watching Neville
through a SNIPER'S SCOPE. Neville's chest dead in our sights. We FIRE.

BACK ON THE STREET

Neville hits the dirt. The first bullet EXPLODES in asphalt. Neville
rolls. The second bullet just misses him. He DASHES behind an
abandoned car, escaping yet another shot from the sniper. The dog
stands in the middle of the street, BARKING at an upper story window in
Nieman-Marcus. Neville shouts...

NEVILLE
GET OUT OF THE STREET!

The dog continues to , its eyes on a specific section of the building.
Neville steals a glance and sees a RIFLE BARREL poking out of a
shattered window frame. ANOTHER SHOT whistles past the dog's fur. The
beast flinches, afraid.

NEVILLE
GET OVER HERE!

He waves his arm and the dog comes running to his side. He pulls the
dog close to him, sheltering him from the gunfire.

NEVILLE
Dumbest goddamm dog I ever had.

BLAM! A bullet HITS the car. Neville is pinned down.

NEVILLE
Great, Bob, just great.

He looks at the pistol in his hand. It's useless against a rifle. And
unfortunately, the machine gun is in the Land Rover. He can't make a
move. Unless...

Along the curb, hidden from the sniper's view, is a storm drain.
Neville inches his way toward it and slithers inside. The dog tries to
follow, but Neville motions for him to stay and speak. The dog
understands and BARKS at the sniper.

INT. STORM DRAIN TUNNEL - DAY

Crouching down, Neville is able to scurry to the other side of the
street. He inches his way through a crevice.

INT. DEPARTMENT STORE - DAY

Neville crawls into a dilapidated BATHROOM in the store's first
basement. The plumbing has been backed up for god knows how long and
Neville can barely tolerate the stench.

INT. DEPARTMENT STORE - FIRST BASEMENT - DAY

What used to be "Housewares." Neville spies the no-longer-functioning
escalators and strides upwards.

INT. DEPARTMENT STORE - ESCALATORS - VARIOUS - DAY

Neville reaches the fourth floor. We catch glimpses of BIZARRE
GRAFFITI, but mostly we're taken aback by the sheer emptiness of the
store.

INT. DEPARTMENT STORE - SEVENTH FLOOR - DAY

Neville creeps up the escalator. He HEARS the sniper, but it's
difficult to see anything because the windows in this section have been
covered with sheets of cardboard, blankets, and plywood. The only light
is a tiny shaft coming through the cracked pane the shooter is using for
his rifle.

The shooter himself is bundled in rags. Gloves cover his hands, a parka
hood hides his head, and a scarf shields his face. We see no details,
only a shape. in a corner is a sort of "tent' made from bedsheets and
blankets.

The sniper watches the street. Faintly, we HEAR the dog BARKING. The
sniper SHOOTS. A distant ping!--the bullet hits the abandoned car.
Neville gauges his surroundings, his enemy. Thinks. Positions himself
about twenty feet behind the sniper. Locks target with the .45.

NEVILLE
Hey.

The sniper jumps, turns around, and shakes in his shoes at the sight of
Neville. He fumbles with the rifle.

NEVILLE
Ah-ah-ah.

The sniper stops. It's no use--he'd never be quick enough.

NEVILLE
Slide the gun over here.

The sniper has no choice. He sets the rifle on the floor and shoves it
at Neville, who quickly examines it.

NEVILLE
A hunter's gun. Where'd you find it?

No reply. Neville points the .45, SHOOTS and blasts the window behind
the shooter. Glass explodes and SUNLIGHT pours into the room. The
sniper SCREAMS with fright and scurries for darkness. Neville aims his
pistol at another window.

NEVILLE
(a threat)
Where?

SNIPER
(his voice a raspy hiss)
Up north. In the mountains, a cabin.

NEVILLE
You're not part of Cortman's bunch.

SNIPER
Who?

NEVILLE
Never mind. In the mountains...
Were there people? Like me?

SNIPER
If there were, we wouldn't have had to
come to the city, now, would we?

NEVILLE
You're a smart one.

SNIPER
Thank you.

NEVILLE
You said "we."

The sniper realizes his error. Goes tight-lipped.

NEVILLE
How many?

No answer. Neville flips back the top of the "tent" and sees three
sleeping areas.

NEVILLE
Where are they?

The sniper refuses to respond. Neville BLASTS another window. More
LIGHT. Like a snake escaping a predator, the sniper slithers away, but
Neville pounces on him and jams the .45 into the center of his back. He
pins one arm and extends the shooter's other arm into the path of the
light.

SNIPER
No!

The sniper is in agony.

NEVILLE
Tell me.

Frustrated, Neville, pulls off the man's glove. First, we see that the
flesh is pale white. So pale it's almost translucent. Second, we see
the effect of sunlight--the skin blisters and blackens.

NEVILLE
WHERE ARE THEY?

The sniper SCREAMS. Neville releases him and he hides in the shadows,
caressing his tortured limb. The sniper decides to pull off his hood
and remove the scarf, revealing...

A demonic visage. Ghostly white flesh so devoid of pigment we can see
the blue and purple veins beneath the surface. His eyes are an
unearthly cold blue/grey and white. He is completely hairless--nothing
on his pate, no brows, no facial hair. His lips a deep ruby red. This
thing was once human, but now, now...

SNIPER
(somewhat awed)
You're him, aren't you? You're Neville.

Neville reaches into his belt and takes out a VIAL of blood. The
sniper's eyes light up.

NEVILLE
Where are they?

The sniper is mesmerized by the blood.

SNIPER
(can't help himself)
The bay... The basement.

NEVILLE
I was in the basement.

SNIPER
Down... below... By the... subway.

NEVILLE
Do they have guns?

He won't answer. Neville pours a few drops of blood and steps back.
Thirstily, the sniper laps it up with his tongue, like a cat to some
spilled cream. Neville looks away. The sniper falls back onto a pile
of rags and lets his "fix" kick in. His body spasms and his face
contorts. The sniper's arm jerks and he lets out a satisfied breath. A
junkie feeling the high.

SNIPER
We heard about you. Way up in the hills
we heard about you.

Miraculously, the sniper's charred hand begins to heal.

NEVILLE
Your friends. Guns?

SNIPER
No. We found only the rifle.

His hand forms a fist. A sinister, unearthly hiss emerges from his
gullet. He looks at the vial in Neville's hand.

SNIPER
More.

NEVILLE
You'll get more if you tell me the truth.

SNIPER
More!

And something dark, something terrible fills the sniper's eyes. He
LUNGES at Neville. BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! Neville pounds him with three
bullets. Two in the stomach. One in the shoulder. Blood spatters.
The sniper teeters, but does not fall. Neville aims at the heart and
fires, but his weapon is empty. He mutters "shit," hastily loads a
clip. The sniper clutches at his wounds, kneels and touches the floor
with his finger. He takes a deep breath and enters into some kind of
meditative trance. He summons...

The scattered drops of his blood heed his call. Like droplets of
mercury drawn to a common source, the blood moves across the floor and
flows up his finger into the open bullet wounds. And heals them.

NEVILLE
That was clever, the mannequin. That
took some thought. You nearly had me.

Click. Neville jams in the clip. The sniper moves. POW. POW. POW.
POW- Only this time, Neville aims at the windows. GLASS SHATTERS and a
wall of LIGHT pours in, hitting the sniper like a freight train.

SNIPER
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The skin on the sniper's face blisters. Smoke rises from beneath his
protective clothes. he HOWLS. Neville, with intense calm, holsters his
.45 and raises the RIFLE.

NEVILLE
You know, I can understand me. But why
shoot at the dog? What did that dog ever do
to you?

The sniper staggers toward Neville, one last attack. Neville SHOOTS,
hits the sniper square in the chest. The force of the blast propels him
backward, to the open windows. The sniper slips on the broken glass and
falls...

... out the window. Seven stories to the street below.

Neville moves to the window, locks at the sniper's body on the concrete.
The DOG emerges from behind the abandoned car, sniffs in the direction
of the corpse, and looks up at Neville in the window. Neville shouts
down...

NEVILLE
STAY AWAY FROM HIM! You stay away!

The dog sits.

NEVILLE
Good boy.

EXT. DEPARTMENT STORE - DAY

A bandana acting as a mask on his face, Neville pulls a spare gas can
from the rear of the Land Rover and douses the sniper's corpse
(blackening in the sun) with fuel. He ignites a book of matches, tosses
them at the body, and whoosh--instant funeral pyre.

Neville reaches into a supply chest in the rear of the Land Rover. He
pulls out a mean looking, more powerful MACHINE GUN, two ammo clips, a
portable high-intensity halogen lamp, a COMBAT KNIFE, three small
electronic devices, and a customized remote control. He hangs a pair of
night-vision goggles around his neck and instructs the dog...

NEVILLE
Come.

Check out the colored boards by MSI

[curtis]

Microstar makes some motherboards using cool colors...

Check out this board for single Athlons or this board for single P4's.

The font page has some more examples as well.

Still holding my breath

[skroz]

Still holding my breath for a dual P4 board, and I'm starting to turn a little blue. From what I have learned, the P4s that exist today are not SMP capable, and only Xeons will support multiprocessor configurations. Pity. I was starting to get used to cheap dual systems.

Looks like I'll have to have the 440 line and room cooler installed in my den before I can have a dual AMD system...

Re:Still holding my breath

[Anonymous Coward]

Dual AMDs are already available. You dont have to change your den while you wait! That news should save you from having to order many of them "room coolers" or dial 440 on your phone!

Re:Still holding my breath

[skroz]

See, that was my joke... I guess it wasn't that funny. Oh well. The Palomino core is a bit power hungry... dumps off a LOT of waste heat, and consumes a lot of power. It's also surprisingly expensive for an AMD solution...

AquaPad

[MrResistor]

Unfortunately the Windows CE v3.0 that's running on the AquaPad severely limits its functionality; the platform is in dire need of an upgrade to PocketPC 2002...

Hehe

I'd prefer Linux, and it's only a matter of time...

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what they want for them. I'm definately interested in a tablet PC. Having never learned to type I can't say I'd miss the keyboard much.

My dad is from Baghdad and I'm from Jalalabad.

[Anonymous Coward]

This one day in June my mother raped my asshole with her broom. I told my dad and he got mad at her. The Harry Potter movie sucks my hairy cock. Do not go see it for the life of you. Do you like beans? I do. My ass grows in three colors and four different flavors. Linux is cool but WINDOWS SUCKS and DO NOT use AOL it is for PANSIES like my little son. My son likes to eat peanut butter. Only when I smear a glob on my penis of course. Do you like grits? I do. Do you like Natalie Portman? I do. Do you like HOT GRITS? Well of course I do, hot grits are the best out there, if you like COLD grits my GOD go get yourself checked out at a mental institution. Dude what the hell is up with these ARABS lately. It's TURBAN TIME hey that almost sounds like TURPENTINE. Have you ever had anal sex with a little boy? It feels SO GOOD. I mean. It feels SO WRONG, but, so nice.. so young, firm and soft. Feels so great it's got to be wrong. When I get my thick log of manliness logged between them cute firm butt cheeks.. OH GOD IT'S HEAVEN ON EARTH. I absolutely LOVE it when the boy screams in delight as I pump my warm flow inside him, only to be farted out onto his dad's face later. That stuff is creamy, the old men lap it up like no tomorrow. Have you ever ripped someones arms off and then beat them to death with them? Then it's like if you're hungry, grab and arm and chow down on one of the arms that you just beat the guy to death with. Trust me the guy is a lucky sap cuz he wasn't killed by an Arab. That is only if you're not an Arab, but if you are you need to get your ass shipped back to Talibanland and do like they do and kill yourselves and each other before God, I mean the white man, takes back His land and sets things straight on how it should be. Bush has got a big old cock that is ready to go pumping up your tight fresh stale Arabian ass. You guys may have taken out the World Trade Center, but now I challenge you to take out the Empire State Building. I'm on the 49th floor. Come and get me motherfuckers. Watch me die. You are not logged in. You can login now using the convenient form below, or Create an Account. Posts without proper registration are posted as Anonymous Coward faq
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What I checked in that article...

[Papineau]

There's 4 photos that I was very interested in, because I plan to replace my P2B-D w/ PII-400 with a dual Athlon solution RSN:

• Abit's WA2A
• Asus's (AM266-D?)
• Gigabyte's GA-7DPXDW
• MSI's (MS-6501?)

Some questions (apart from the official release date, or more importantly the "in stock" date) sprung to my mind after checking some of those photos:

• Why do the Abit doesn't seem to have USB ports? Or is it rather the PS/2 ports that are missing? (Check the upper right corner)
• Again on the Abit, on the bottom left, there's a PLCC (or another Quad side package) that's empty. Do any of you know if they usually show working motherboards, or rather engineering samples that may do nothing?
• The ASUS is the only one with a full-blown heat-sink (w/o fan) on the North bridge, the other ones only have a heat spreader. For the look only or more stable operation?
• On the Gigabyte, what kind of ports are in the upper center part? Firewire ports? And again, there's only one set of ports at the top (either USB or PS/2). I find it quite strange.

Fortunately, all of those motherboards are equipped with mounting holes for the CPU heatsinks. Now to find some quite quiet HSF to go with that pair of MP 1600+...

Re:What I checked in that article...

[Geek In Training]

The ASUS is the only one with a full-blown heat-sink (w/o fan) on the North bridge, the other ones only have a heat spreader. For the look only or more stable operation?

Depends entirely on the chipset. My ECS Athlon board sporting a nice SIS735 (combined North and Southbridge chip with DDR support, $57 for the board!) doesn't even require a heatsink according to spec, but I got one anyways. Just another place to put the corporate logo! ;)

The VIA 266 series seem to want a fan. The AMD 760MP series and Intel i850 (Rambus) both need big honkin' HSF units on them.

My understanding is that stability only comes into play if you're trying to overclock the FSB. Once you get a couple of MHz over spec, you may want to upgrade to a bigger heatsink and/or fan to compensate for the extra strain on the Northbridge.

Re:What I checked in that article...

[Papineau]

My question was more on the comparison of the 4 motherboards I linked to. They all use the AMD 760MP chipset, or at least for the North Bridge (information in Anand's article is rather scarce on which SB are used (AMD or VIA)). So given that it's the same chip underneath, why ASUS put a HS on top of it while the three others only put a heat spreader?

I don't really plan to overclock (well, maybe like 135-140MHz), so probably any one of them will react the same as far as the NB is concerned.

My personal taste was with the ASUS, but my final decision will depend on the date I will be able to grab any of those, the price at that time, what kind of HSF can be fitted on top of the CPUs and what are the integrated components (RAID, sound, etc.).

Re:What I checked in that article...

[Sloppy]

Why do the Abit doesn't seem to have USB ports?

Because the PHBs at ABit still have the perverted and twisted notion that SMP is for servers, not "ethusiasts." Hopefully, someone (Asus?) with a bit more of a clue will capture the market and make a fortune and then the other manufacturers will decide they want a piece of the action.

Re:What I checked in that article...

[Elwood P Dowd]

Well. Perhaps some of their SMP boards are like that. I think that they might feel that way about this particular system. Are you discussing the one with four DIMM slots and mobo RAID? I can't find your parent.

They sure knew what their market was for their dual celery boards. My BP6 sure has integrated USB.

Re:What I checked in that article...

[alexburke]

Why do the Abit doesn't seem to have USB ports? Or is it rather the PS/2 ports that are missing?

The USB ports are indeed missing.

Again on the Abit, on the bottom left, there's a PLCC (or another Quad side package) that's empty. Do any of you know if they usually show working motherboards, or rather engineering samples that may do nothing?

That's almost certainly the socket for the flash part containing the BIOS.

You'll also notice the buzzer in that corner still has its sticker covering the opening to prevent solvent or solder from getting inside, which is always removed before the board is shipped.

There's no battery in the socket, which again is added before shipping.

There are solder pads for a PQFP part in that corner, which may or may not be populated in the release version.

My guess is that photo is of an engineering sample, and not a terribly useful one at that. :)

Re:What I checked in that article...

[alexburke]

Very gauche to reply to my own post, I know... but a few more tidbits:

The Abit logo doesn't appear anywhere on the board.

The documentation off to the left is on letter-size (or A4) paper. It ships in a bound half-letter-size manual.

The distance between the DIMM sockets is huge. I'm not sure why this is so.

Definately an very early engineering sample of some sort...

Re:What I checked in that article...

[Geek In Training]

So given that it's the same chip underneath, why ASUS put a HS on top of it while the three others only put a heat spreader?

Oh! Well that's easy. These are tradeshow boards, meant to showcase the specs. The other manufacturers are showing the board without the heatsink to show off the chipset info.

Any of these boards you would be in retail format would have a heatsink on it.

What??

[Anonymous Coward]

Taco likes something with Windows on it? Someone better check the server logs, I think a troll's gotten hold of his account.

hopefully

[Raven42rac]

these new mobos will hasten the arrival of serial data and higher bus speeds, because we are on the verge of breaking moore's law. Also, one of the biggest problems is making smaller chips that run cool enough to be worthwhile.

Insert Sig Here.

nForce...?

[Sodakar]

All these posts, and not a single one about the highly anticipated nForce?

From: AnandTech's article:

Unfortunately NVIDIA's nForce has not been met with such great enthusiasm by motherboard manufacturers. The five launch partners for the nForce are still dealing with various issues in their designs in spite of the fact that NVIDIA's reference boards have been running just fine.

As a person who is eagerly awaiting the nForce to be released, I have a question... Can anyone think of why it's taking so long for the manufacturers to make a working nForce mobo when the reference mobo works just fine? Also, why are they so non-enthusiastic about this otherwise good-looking chipset?

The only two things I can think of are:

1. The nForce and its unique read/guess-ahead SSE cache, dual-channel memory pipes, high-speed Southbridge pipe, and DMA addressing make it difficult to build further optimized boards and drivers.
   
2. Unlike the obviously non-performance-oriented Intel 810 all-in-one, the nForce all-in-one can be made to be a cheap all-in-one solution for $500 PC's, but an alternate design can be used for high-end PC's -- thus, the motherboard manufacturers are having to make more motherboards than normal off of one chipset.

Um... like I said, these are just guesses... anyone else?

NVidia nForce..

[Ogerman]

It kinda worries me that NVidia is trying to get into the chipset market in a big way, knowing their track record for refusing to publish data on their video cards so people can develop open source drivers. Does anyone have more info about this or is it all vaporware right now?

On... That's right... TACO-SNOTTING!

[George WIPO Bush]

THE OFFICIAL TACO-SNOTTING FAQ
By The WIPO Troll, $Revision: 1.9 $

What is "Taco-snotting?"

"Taco-snotting" is a term used by one Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda, owner of the popular technology website Slashdot, to refer to the practice of sucking the penis of a homosexual man (or unwilling heterosexual; CmdrTaco doesn't care, and is rumored to actually prefer rape) and blowing the semen back out his nose onto his partner's (or victim's) face or body. Usually a long, bubbly stream of milky-white semen is left on CmdrTaco's face, dribbling out of his nose, down his cheek: hence the term, "Taco-snotting."

Good Lord. And what is a "Circle-snot"?

A "circle-snot" is a Taco-snotting circle-jerk, another practice common among homosexual geeks. This is when CmdrTaco, CowboiKneel, and Homos get together and Taco-snot each other repeatedly with their gooey, hot, and sticky cum -- spooging their dicks all over each other's faces and pasty-white bodies until they're all covered head to toe with man juice. Roblowme usually provides plenty of extra lubricant; he owns a limo service and has ample supplies of motor oil and axle grease.

To complete this perverted orgy, fellow geeks Michael, Timothy, and Jamie often join in, dressed in black Gestapo uniforms, jack boots, and leather gloves. The whole group then proceeds to snot each other's spunk and whip each other's pudgy asses with riding crops and chains until their pasty-white geek bodies are sweaty and exhausted from all the passionate, homosexual revelry.

Ewwwww. Why have I been receiving emails from CmdrTaco asking me if he can Taco-snot me?

I'm guessing you've received an email similar to the following:

From: malda@slashdot.org
To: wipotroll@hotmail.com
Subject: Hey, baby - jion me in a taco-snott! :)

Hey, baby!

Ever done a taco-snotting with anothar fellow geek? Its more fun then trolling Slashdot, trust me! all that talk you troll with about homasexual incest and stuff got me all horny and hot for you! Is it serius? Please tell me that itt is! If you want to get with me and my Slashdot bois, drop me an emale!

ps- Please replie to me at horny_rob_6969@hotmail.com. I'd rather the guys at VA Linux are not seen this. :) :)

--
CmdrTaco (malda@slashdot.org)

You most likely forgot to uncheck the "Willing to Taco-snot" checkbox in your account preferences. Whenever CmdrTaco gets bored (and who wouldn't, running a site like Slashdot all day), he roams through the Slashdot database, penis in hand, looking for people who might enjoy being Taco-snotted. How he determines this is anyone's guess; but if you have a homosexual-sounding nickname, you're in trouble. So this time, he found you. Lucky you.

CmdrTaco has probably already got the hots for your wad, and he's probably already been lurking outside your bathroom window for weeks with a camera, some tissues and lube. There's no escaping a geek in heat, so it's probably too late for you, but you can possibly rectify this situation. To remove yourself from CmdrTaco's sights, log into your Slashdot account, go to your user page, click on Messages, and uncheck the box next to "Willing to Taco-snot." Maybe he'll ignore you. Probably not.

I can't stop receiving these emails from CmdrTaco!?

Probably not. If you indulge him in a Taco-snot or two, he might leave you alone. You might also want to look into mail filtering, restraining orders, or purchasing a heavy, blunt object capable of warding off rampaging homosexual geeks in heat. Trust me, when they charge... oh, the humanity. If he gets you, and you let him Taco-snot you, he might end up tying you up in his basement to use you as his sex slave for the rest of your life (or until he accidentally drowns you in spunk in a circle-snot).

Have you ever been Taco-Snotted?

Unfortunately, yes. I first met CmdrTaco at an Open Source Convention. He invited me back to his room for a game of Quake, but when I got to there, he jumped me and tied me to his bed, stripping me. After taking his "Commander" out of his pants, Mr. Taco made me suck the withered, little thing several times. He then performed his vile Taco-snotting ritual on me three times over the next two hours, bringing me to orgasm after sweaty, mind-numbing orgasm... then he snotted my own milky-white jizz back onto my face, into my mouth, then again on my exposed belly.

CmdrTaco invited several of his Open Source (or rather, "Open Sauce" -- man sauce) buddies over to continue the twisted snotfest. Linux Torvalds raped my ass with his "monolithic kernel," and Anal Cox used his "network stack" in a multitude of unspeakable ways on and in every orifice in my defenseless body.

How did you finally escape, you ask? After about 16 hours of countless homosexual atrocities perpetrated against my restrained body, they all finally went to sleep on top of me, sweat-soaked and exhausted. I was left there, covered in bubbly, translucent jizz-snot, chained to the bed, with half a dozen fat, pasty-white fags lying around and on top of me. Fortunately the spooge coating my flesh worked wonderfully as a lubricant; I was able to squirm my way out of the handcuffs and slip out the back door. I'm just glad I survived the ordeal. These geeks had a lot of built-up spunk in their wads -- I could've easily been drowned!

That's horrible. Does "Taco-snotting" have anything to do with CmdrTaco's "special taco"?

No, that's a different disgusting perversion CmdrTaco indulges himself in. CmdrTaco is usually not satisfied with merely snotting your own jizz back onto your face, he most often enjoys involving his own bodily fluids in his twisted games. WeatherTroll has spent some time trying to educate the Slashdot readership about this vile practice (emphasis added):

You may be wondering what CmdrTaco's "special taco" is. You will be wishing that you hadn't been wondering after you finish reading this post. To make his "special taco", CmdrTaco takes a taco shell and shits on it. He then adds lettuce, jacks off on the taco, and adds a compound to make the person who eats the taco unconscious. Of course, the compound does not make the person unconscious until the taco is fully eaten. Thus CmdrTaco force-feeds the taco to the unsuspecting victim.

After the victim is unconscious, he is held against his will and used for CmdrTaco's nefarious sexual purposes. This includes shoving taco shells up the victim's ass, Taco-snotting, and getting Jon Katz involved.

Completely different, yet no less revolting. It should be clear to you now that CmdrTaco is a very, very sick individual, as are most of the Slashdot editors.

Does Jon Katz get involved in any of this? I thought he was a paedophile, not a homosexual.

Actually, Jon Katz is a homosexual paedophile. He's also a coprophiliac, and, many suspect, a zoophile. Jon Katz is somewhat of a loner and doesn't involve himself in circle-snots. Mr. Katz usually engages in a game called " Katz juicy-douching" with his harem of little-boy slaves: a vile practice which involves administering an enema to himself of the little boy's urine (forced out of them with a pair of pliers), spooging the vile muck from his ass back into the enema bag, then squirting and slathering the goo all over himself, and the little boy's chained-up and naked bodies. If he's in the mood, he will sometimes skip refilling the enema bag and just squirt it from his ass onto his boys. Unwilling boys are further tortured with the pliers until they comply and allow Mr. Katz to juicy-douche them for the rest of their lives.

As I already said, Mr. Katz is also a zoophile. As if the sexual escapades with the helpless little boys aren't enough, Jon usually enjoys his juicy-douches best when his penis is firmly planted in a female goat's anus. He is also rumoured to get off on watching his little boys eat the goat's small, bean-like turds.

...Are you getting hard writing this?

Why, yes. :) Join me in a WIPO-snot? I promise I won't try and rape you or kidnap you and make you my sex slave or anything. I'm not like CmdrTaco or Mr. Katz; I only enjoy snotting on willing partners.

What's that screaming I hear coming from your basement?

Oh, that's just my little sister; I got her chained up down there. In fact, I just finished snotting all over her body. You should see her squirm when I spooge on her belly, lick it up, and snot it all over her face! She's such a feisty little 14 year-old bitch. Of course she's my sex slave, she's my sister. What else would she be good for? So, join me in a WIPO-snot?

No, thanks. I'm already CmdrTaco's boi toi.

________________________________________
READER COMMENTS

1. Digusting and Shameful (Score:-1)
   by egg troll on 2001.11.18 22:27 (#2582054)
   
   Having masturbated *twice* to this post, I'm still incredibly aroused! Come over for a Taco Snot. I'll be wearing my crotchless Clifford the Big Red Dog outfit!!
   
   For more info check out this /. article

2. IMPROVE THE FAQ (Score:-1, Flamebait)
   by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.18 12:03 (#2580822)
   
   add more links to goatse and to cowboineal's site to make it better. a link to rotten.com would be nice too
   • Re:IMPROVE THE FAQ (Score:0)
     by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.18 12:18 (#2580832)
     
     and a link to michael's site and to jon katz's site if he has one and homo's site. i dont know what else to say. maybe a few links to phallic.org they have nice penis pictures! a link to the planet quake site or whatever. really make the reader feel this faq really answers their questions. oh yeah, and when you talk about cmdrtaco snotting you, say he brought you to "orgasm after sweaty orgasm". describe it more is all i'm saying. and use more italics and bolding! and when you talk about jon katz shitting or whatever have a link to fecal japan on rotten.com
     
     other wise a great job wipo troll! keep up the good work!

3. Re:CmdrTaco's filthy secret! (Score:-1)
   by Wil Wheaton on 2001.11.18 6:41 (#2580438)
   
   Hi. Let's be buddies.. butt buddies.
   --
   WIL WHEATON DOT NET

4. WIPO speaks the truth (Score:-1)
   by dead_puppy on 2001.11.18 5:33 (#2580342)
   
   Here is an e-mail I received a week ago:
   
   From: malda@slashdot.org
   To: puppy_dead@hotmail.com
   Subject: were where you last friday? :(
   
   I thought we where supposed to meet at Backdoor's at 8-ish, sugar-lips? You could've at least told me that you could'nt make it! I was even in my favorite pink skirt for you, honey-cup... next time, you could be more considarite and tell me you cant come... bastard.
   
   --
   CmdrTaco (malda@slashdot.org)
   
   You finding Ling-Ling's head?

5. Taco snotting is WRONG!!! (Score:-1)
   by Big_Ass_Spork on 2001.11.18 4:53 (#2580300)
   
   I do it wrong
   
   Laying here in the shadows of my room, I squint up at my love. My Ms. Portman. I am sore and tired after fucking her for eight solid hours. My chapped and aching dick is soaking in grits to relieve the pain. She gets on her knees and starts lapping the grits up out of the bowl. She places her beautiful hands on my penis and starts to lick the grits off my achy piece.
   
   Massaging my nutsack she....
   
   WAIT, I DO IT WRONG!!!!
   
   Yanking my dick out of her mouth I throw her to the ground and shove it in to her gaping freshly fisted ass. [goatse.cx]
   
   "OH BIG ASS SPORK!! Fuck my ass, fuck my ass good. DEEPER, my stallion, deeper!! Make a Beowulf cluster of sperm on my back!!"
   
   "Imagine a Beowulf cluster of this baby!"
   
   I DO IT WRONG!!!!
   
   ---
   All your Sporks are belong to Big_Ass_Spork! What you say?! All your Sporks are belo... forget it...

6. Rob Malda Dead at age 25! (Score:-1)
   by j0nkatz on 2001.11.17 22:54 (#2579596)
   
   I just heard some sad news on the radio -- famous queerbait Rob Malda was found dead in his Holland home this morning. The details were a bit hazy, but it seems that he drowned in jizz while Taco Snotting his friend Hemos. I'm sure everyone in the /. community will miss him -- even if you didn't enjoy his queer antics and boring ass website, there's no denying his contributions to the homosesual cultural development, particularly in the areas of Taco snotting. Truly an American icon.
   
   I wanna Open Source sex so it won't be worth a shit either.

7. TACO-SNOTTING is really Donkey-Punching (Score:-1, Troll)
   by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.15 6:38 (#2567601)
   
   No no no, the correct term for that is "donkey-punch". I have eye-witnessed this amazing eye-popping event demonstrated on unsuspecting hose-monsters by my frat brothers in the past.. . :-)

8. Re:the effect of knowlege laws... (Score:1)
   by AbsoluteRelativity on 2001.11.15 5:31 (#2567457)
   
   The WIPO Troll
   Slashdot and the Karma Lottery - News for uber monkeys, by uber monkeys.

9. Re:Taco-Snotting (Score:-1, Troll)
   by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.13 9:27 (#2557632)
   
   Oh, man that's just sick !

10. HOW DO I GET AN ANONYMOUS PROXY? (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.13 9:03 (#2557604)
    
    TELL ME WHERE I CAN GET AN ANONYMOUS proxy please WIPO Troll. Maybe later i will join you in a snotting at my place. ;P

11. Re:Taco-Snottage!?!?!? (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by vikool on 2001.11.13 7:43 (#2557495)
    
    what is this bull shit,i feel offened that some people feel so so senseless to post stuff like these esp when such a tragic incident has occured

12. Re:Taco-felching!! (Score:-1)
    by I.T.R.A.R.K. on 2001.11.11 22:38 (#2551890)
    
    Where the fuck do I sign up?!
    
    - I throw rocks at retarded kids
    
    "Adequacy.org: Where congenital stupidity is not an option, but a requirement."

13. Re:Taco-felching!! (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 21:53 (#2551753)
    
    this shit is hilarious..keep up the good work.

14. Re:Taco-felching!! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by rockwood on 2001.11.11 21:49 (#2551746)
    
    OMG! That is the most disgusting thing I have ever heard! WHo in their right mind would sit down and waste the time to construct such a replusive story. I guess I'll be skipping lunch and dinner today.. and possibly tomorrow also. The game doesn't affect reality. Reality affects the game.

15. Re:Ban this! It's disgusting!! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 14:43 (#2550701)
    
    dude, this is crap-flood material if i ever saw it.
    duuuuuuuuudddddddddddddeeeeeeeee.

16. Re:Taco-Snotting = HATE SPEECH (Score:-1, Flamebait)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 8:16 (#2550266)
    
    horny_rob_6969@hotmail.com
    
    Ah, so that's what the alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.horny-rob newsgroup is about!

17. MOD THIS UP PLEASE!!! (Score:-1)
    by egg troll on 2001.11.11 5:34 (#2550024)
    
    +5, Arousing
    
    For more info check out this /. article

18. Re:Taco-Snotting = HATE SPEECH (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 4:39 (#2549891)
    
    WINNER>

19. Re:Taco-Snotting = HATE SPEECH (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 4:37 (#2549887)
    
    I love you. Why do you use your bitchslapped account, rather than signing up for a new account to post at +1 before getting bitchslapped by the censors here? I guess I should speak for myself, but I don't want to log out and lose all my slashdot customization properties, nor do I want to lose my 50 karma yet.

20. Re:On Taco-Snotting (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.09 9:19 (#2542412)
    
    you fucking rock! right down to the expanded cvs id!
    
    WIPO trolls > linux

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What about Linux ?

[loopkin]

Isn't it a problem now if we wanna use Athlon/Duron with Linux ?

I mean nForce won't have a great full opensource driver since nVidia doesn't release the specs, and it's the same with VIA's one, no ? (or did i miss something ?). And those two chipsets are considered as the best solutions for AMD-based mainboards. So, what are the news about that ?

Anyone with a good knowledge of the topic, please ?