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Danger's Mobile Device - The HipTop

A random reader writes "All the "convergence" devices I've seen so far are great, but they all miss a feature or two. Cellphones with PDAs but no keyboard, PDAs with keyboards but no phone, etc. Has anyone ever heard of the HipTop? This little baby has a screen the size of a gameboy advance, runs Java, has a cellphone, keyboard, PDA functions, a camera and even an 8-voice MIDI synth... " Excluding a color screen, what more could one want in a toy?

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  1. Flimsy? by OblongPlatypus · · Score: 2

    Speaking of sliding mechanisms; Is it just me, or does that thing look extremely flimsy?

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  2. this is a conceptual device only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the pics are mock-ups.
    without reading the site much, they're trying
    to attract funding or licence the concept.

    1. Re:this is a conceptual device only by bluescreen · · Score: 4, Informative
      In addition to being uninformed, you also didn't bother to read.


      They are funded pretty well, and I can tell you
      that I've personally seen real and working danger devices. I beleive they also did a working demo at comdex.


      I know this may seem like flaimbait, but I cant stand it when people post armchair assertions as fact from a quick skim of a site..

    2. Re:this is a conceptual device only by seanadams.com · · Score: 2

      I know this may seem like flaimbait, but I cant stand it when people post armchair assertions as fact from a quick skim of a site.

      It's an all too common phenomenon - a flashy web page with zero technical details, hyping a product that will never see the light of day.

      If you say they've made a prototype, I beleive you, but don't blame me for my "armchair assertion". Blame Danger's marketing dept. And the pic most certainly *is* fake/altered, even if the product is real. No way that image on the LCD was photographed.

      Anyway, more power to these guys if the product is for real. It sounds like a great gadget, but I can't get excited over a flash animation!

    3. Re:this is a conceptual device only by Eric+Smith · · Score: 2
      Wrong-o! I held a working prototype in my own hands months ago. At that time the plastics weren't final, but the device definitely worked.

      They've been working on this thing for quite a while. If you'd actually bothered to read before posting, you'd have seen that they already have received round B funding.

      I had so much fun with the prototype that I've been eagerly awaiting the product/service launch so I can buy one.

      (And in case anyone is wondering, no, I don't work for Danger.)

  3. What more could people want in a toy? by yatest5 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ummm, variable speeds?

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  4. Looks decent enough by dreamchaser · · Score: 2

    I would have liked some more technical details on their product pages, but all in all it looks like a pretty cool device. I would really love to see a color unit.

    They should add a more interactive demo, so that people can get some more of the feel of using it's interface. I love the fact that it uses Java. Theoretically, it should be pretty easy to extend, software wise.

    Devices like this are going to be coming out of the wooodwork soon enough. I for one can't wait, I'm tired of carrying a multiple devices around.

  5. Since you asked... by Talisman · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Excluding a color screen, what more could one want in a toy?"

    - GPS
    - Hologram projection device
    - Grappling hook
    - Uranium energy cells (no need for batteries. ever.)
    - Death ray (add pistol to list of things i can stop carrying around)
    - Interfaces to every type of gaming console in existence
    - Quake 3

    Santa's gonna get a shakedown unless he produces the goods.

    Talisman

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    1. Re:Since you asked... by Eric+Smith · · Score: 2

      Dunno if it will be in the shipped product, but I've seen a Tetris game running on one of the prototypes.

  6. Neat by Mr_Silver · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Neat but in all honesty I'm waiting for the Microsoft efforts.

    Yes, I know that will rile up the majority of /. readers but I'm a PHB who relies almost extensivily on Microsoft products (Outlook, Powerpoint, Excel, Word and Powerpoint).

    I was full synchronisation between my PDA and Outlook. I currently have a Palm Pilot but as nice and small as it is, it's not quite what I want (what do I want? Portable Outlook without the email).

    Phone and PDA convergence is very nice and well but if you're not careful you'll end up with a mediocre PDA and a mediocre phone. Granted, its going to take them a while to get this sorted but something like an iPAQ with a bluetooth and GPRS enabled 8210 would suit me (and a lot of other PHB's) down to the ground for the time being.

    So yes, I'm sorry but I'll be waiting to see what Microsofts efforts are like. Yes, they're a monopolistic company with dodgy business practises but I need something that helps me work and, as much as I hate to say it, they could be the only ones that help me do that ...

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  7. Re:Better links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    Sorry, that sucked. Try this:

    USAtoday


    CNET

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  8. Someone tell me again... by ChristianBaekkelund · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Someone tell me again, why are we trying to achieve "convergence"?...

    I mean, really, what's wrong with specialized devices that are really good at what they do, instead of trying to throw it all into one device which is not as good as the specialized devices at any given task, but just amalgamates them?

    For example, I personally have so far steered clear of those printer/fax/copier/scanner all in one jobs, because I just have a sneaking suspicion that if I bought one, I'd regret it...Can't quite put my finger on why, though.

    With regards to cellphones/pagers/PDAs, etc., I am actually far more in favor of "convergence", but this seems to almost have gone too far?...

    Or am I just paranoid?...heh

    1. Re:Someone tell me again... by Dimwit · · Score: 2

      Well, convergence means different things in different contexts. I don't really want a fax/scanner/copier/printer, because I have room to have a seperate machine for each.

      However, being a guy and therefore not carrying a purse, I don't have enough pocket space for a cellphone, PDA, GPS device, etc, etc, etc. In the portable market, convergence makes sense.

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    2. Re:Someone tell me again... by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So - you want to carry around the following gadets (all having a single feature):
      Cellphone.
      Phonebook (cellphone can't have that - that'd be convergence).
      GPS-device.
      MP3-player.
      CD-player.
      WMA-player.
      OGG-player.
      DVD-player.
      PDA-like device, that can only be used for text-documents.
      Etc, etc, etc.

      Of course, you can easily upgrade your devices whenever needed, but really - just how annoying would it be to carry around all that stuff?

      I'd prefer a single device, that could easily be upgraded via software; some stuff, like e.g. the GPS would have to be hardwired in the system, but various codecs and programs should be easy to install.

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    3. Re:Someone tell me again... by jhs2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is very simple. Pocket space. I know my pants can only hold so much. I want to be as connected as the next guy but I also don't want to walk around with 30 lbs. of electronics on me, all doing a piece of the puzzle. They make holsters for people who like independant devices. I personally like to spend more time putting on my clothes than all of the gadgets. Already I feel like I'm suiting up for battle in the morning. We have Pagers, Cell phones, PDA's, MP3 players (with headphones), wallets, keys, watches, etc. It's almost like we're becoming borg-like. What this very cool little convergence devices tries to do is combine the vast majority of the devices into one nice small package. Personally, having never seen one of these in person, I'm already sold. If it lives up to half of what it specs, then it's by far one of the best devices on the market. I've been dying for something like this for some time now. And you can plug a camera into it at well...too cool. Does anyone know where I can get one? Also, what type of cell phone service does it get? CDMA, TDMA, GSM, etc.? How about battery life? What is the speed you can connect at? You know, the basic questions...

      Just my 2 cents...
      Joe.

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    4. Re:Someone tell me again... by lynx_user_abroad · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you've ever watched a Master Craftsman (Norm Abram springs to mind) do his stuff you'll notice the strong preference for lots of specialized tools, some of which might appear to be identical to the untrained eye.
      I saw one of the New Yankee Workshop series where he uses no less than 5 drivers with slightly different bits to accomplish a task. With proper bits, I could have accomplished the same thing with just one driver, but changing bits between steps would have added an hour to the project.
      This is also why many power users prefer the UNIX-style "large collection of simple tools" (sed, awk, grep, etc) over single do-it-all applications like MSWord (or even Perl) which add unnecessary weight and complexity.

      Then again, the "397 Tools In One" Fix-O-Matic (TM) seems to always sell well with the consumer types who are more interested in feeling productive than in being productive.

      I guess we know which type you are.

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    5. Re:Someone tell me again... by jeffehobbs · · Score: 2, Funny

      I know my pants can only hold so much

      TELL me about it.

      ~jeff

    6. Re:Someone tell me again... by KFury · · Score: 2

      I bet you don't mind convergence on your desktop.

      Think about all the things your computer does: word processor, game player, email client, web browser, and all the rest. How would you like to have a different device for each of these tasks?

      Of course, the computer's complex enough that each of these *feels* different, because they're abstracted from the hardware, and you can upgrade your apps to new versions, or from vendors you appreciate.

      Right now PDAs aren't like that. the Linux PDAs are an important step because the hardware isn't strongly tied to the software. Palm is also moving along this direction, albeit slowly.

      When the hardware is sophisticated enough that buying a particular device doesn't mean buying into a single software model, then I bet you'll be a lot happier.

    7. Re:Someone tell me again... by SubtleNuance · · Score: 2

      do his stuff you'll notice the strong preference for lots of specialized tools, some of which might appear to be identical to the untrained eye.

      You do realize that the reason he has all those tools, and uses/talks about them so much, is because the tool-manf. is the #1 show sponsor.

      No one in his right mind would equip a tool-shop ala NormAbrahm, Norm - as good as a carpenter as he may/may not be - is a shill. The show puts $250,000 worth of tools in his shed and tries to convince handy-types that they need *anther* bit of equipment for their next project... its just not true.

      i know this is OT, but I really dislike when people get snookered into missing the obvious self-interest of some corporate whore. In these days of "economic might is right" and "profit at any/all costs", it pays to be a little more aware of the motivations of others, question the seemingly innocuousness of a situation and be leery of the source of all information - it could be tainted to meet someone's selfish commercial motivations.... ala norm abrahm and his 1231^2 tools.

      As for the idea of convergence vs. single function tools: I look at it like this, I could have an array of single-function devices to replace my x86 PeeCee, I dont because they all share common needs. My word processor, spreedsheet and midi app all require a interface: Monitor/Keyboard. My games, music and video all require a common audio system: my $20 snd pci card. Do I have a OGG player, Arcade Machine, TypeWriter/Word Processor, SpreedSheetProcessor, Calculator etc? no...

      Really, what convergence does is reduce the cost of the individual functions. It allows my mp3 player to share an interface with my PIM on my pda, reducing the overall cost of each device - its about "value". Abstract the PIM, mp3 and email as 'functions' and look at your PDA again - you find that they are 99% the same device (if required to be single pcs of hardware) why would I want to do that?

      Multi-function/General-function is the way to go. I want a miniature PC... like the Sharp LinuxPDA... give that wireless phone/data ability and its the "perfect" device... I the new 'digital devices' boiled down into the pocket version of my PeeCee... capable, expandable, powerfull and dynamic.

    8. Re:Someone tell me again... by Moofie · · Score: 2

      The key difference is that he has a big-ass workshop, and I like to keep tools in my pants. (huh huh. Tool. Pants. huh huh)

      My Leatherman Wave is arguably not as good as a dedicated pair of pliers and a mess of screwdrivers, but in 99.44% of the cases when I'm away from my toolbox, it's Good Enough. As a matter of fact, the only serious drawback is that I don't have a screwdriver AND a pair of pliers simultaneously. But, the fact that I can have it on my person at all times (except when I'm flying on a plane, dammit) makes up for its (modest) functionality limitations.

      Portability is the killer application for these electronic devices, and for me it's paramount. The Handspring Treo looks to be the killer device...just wish I could afford one. : )

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  9. VaporWare??? by CProgrammer98 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The page is badly /.ed but when you get there, all you see are two paragraphs of text with no detailed tech specs and 6 pictures.

    MAN that keyboard looks TINY. You need real slender fingers to work it!

    Anyone know if this is for real????


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  10. what more could one want in a toy? by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Uhm ... is this site xxx-rated? Otherwise I'd better not say.

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  11. Nokia Phones by jeriqo · · Score: 5, Informative

    Both Nokia 9110 and 9210 have a keyboard, a few PDA features, and of course, cellphones.

    They're pretty expensive, and probably not as powerful as regular PDAs, but they may fit your needs.

    For more info, check the nokia website:
    9910
    9210

    The 7650 is pretty interresting too, but has no keyboard.

    -J

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    1. Re:Nokia Phones by Mwongozi · · Score: 2
      If you live in the USA, these won't work, but the US version of the 9210 is the Nokia 9290.

      They're pretty cool devices, they run the Symbian OS (Think Psion), have really decent organiser functions, a web browser, a mail client, a WAP browser, and even a Java virtual machine!

      You can even download a telnet application for it. IRC on the train? Sweet.

  12. other features by Alien54 · · Score: 2
    Well, someone will want it to be a TV receiver, and earpiece connection for DVD movies. GPS I can see.

    Grappling Hook? nah... think Tractor beam.

    Don't forget a stun setting for the Death Ray, as well as DNA matching security features

    X-Ray vision features for looking through walls, clothing, etc.

    and no windows to clog the thing up.

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  13. another tricorder wannabe by kaoshin · · Score: 5, Funny

    It doesn't look like it has enough lights. How are you supposed to analyze the atmosphere on an alien homeworld without rows of blinkin LED's?

  14. There are several devices on their way! by e.m.rainey · · Score: 2, Informative

    From what I read on alot of tech sites, there are several devices on the way which will have the keyboard/PDA/Cellphone thing. I can't resist to tell you that I am working on such a device at Motorola. You probably haven't heard about it yet but it's called the Accompli 009 and has been in a few press releases. Accompli 009. Google also has a good image archive of it here. But anyway there are more devices on the way from Samsung, Nokia, Sharp, ... pratically anyone who makes gagdets. Lots of them run Linux too, like the Sharp SD500L.

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    1. Re:There are several devices on their way! by RedX · · Score: 2

      There has been info going around about the a009 and the various PDA and gadget sites for quite a few months. I was actually under the impression that it was already available. Looks like a decent device, but I'm not so sure about only have an earphone option to use it as a phone.

  15. Man... by Graymalkin · · Score: 3, Interesting
    What I REALLY want in a handheld device is something akin to the PADDs in ST. Ever since I first saw a Newton Messagepad I've been waiting for something that would really fit that sort of roll. Palm based devices are too fucking small for my hands and I can't exactly read the text at a glance. A handheld ought to be something you can store a bunch of notes on, control presentations from, and interface with other systems by. Here's what I would spend some dough on:
    • The size of a good notepad, 6"x9" with screen real estate being most of that area.
    • A screen with good contrast but not necessarily colour, preferably reflective with a switchable backlight.
    • An internal antenna set, a set of them maybe three in the housing each tuned for a different band
    • Multiple expension modules, specifically so I could have a AirPort/PCS/GSM/ect modules hooked to the antenna set (hence multiple band antennas) and I could also have other expansion modules in.
    • Serial port and bus connectors somewhere so I can plug it into just about anything and use it as a terminal or storage device or use something else as a storage device.
    • Really thin with a long battery life.


    • I also want to be able to remotely control the Enterprise with it too. Or at least play Nettrek on it.
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    1. Re:Man... by Mwongozi · · Score: 3, Informative

      It sounds like you want a tablet PC, although this being SlashDot I'm sure a lot of people will hate the fact that it's Microsoft.

    2. Re:Man... by Graymalkin · · Score: 2

      I've seen the TabletPC before and it is pretty interesting and comes close to my criteria. It is essencially a notebook PC with no default attached keyboard and most designs will probably lack a hard drive. They even claim it is the evolution of the laptop. However I the particular design of it makes it a little less than what I'd really like. The TabletPC spec aims to run WinXP software with no modification, I could jam Photoshop onto one and edit away. This means an x86 compatible processor (wow maybe someplace the Crusoe MIGHT actually work) and plenty of drive space. Flash memory is quickly becoming very cheap and could be speedier if it were embedded onto a main board rather than as an expansion module. Even so I don't want to have to pay for 512 megs of FlashROM in a TabPC. Also with WinXP TabPC edition, Microsoft hasn't yet learned that their GUI just doesn't fit in some screens. WinXP's Luna interface theme looks like shit on a 800x600 screen because everything is so crowded together. Likewise apps with lots of MDI spawns look like shit when you don't have alot of screen real estate. For my TabPC-ish Tab I'd like a more customized toolkit(s) optimized for the small screen. As well as the option of a less juice consuming processor, something like a PPC 750cx which gets fine performance with little power consumption. Shit a StrongARM or old MIPS core would work fine with a clock somewhere between 200 and 300MHz. That's just me being a bit picky though, the TabPC is really cool and that was a good suggestion.

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  16. Why you don't like the idea by Katravax · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For example, I personally have so far steered clear of those printer/fax/copier/scanner all in one jobs, because I just have a sneaking suspicion that if I bought one, I'd regret it...Can't quite put my finger on why, though.

    I'll tell you why - because if your scanner breaks, you're also without your copier. If your printer breaks, you're also without your fax. If you run out of ink for your printer, you also can't print faxes or copies, and so on.

    I find the idea of saving space attractive, but don't like the idea of a single, simple hardware failure disabling several devices. My rule in the past few years has been to buy the highest-quality item with the longest warranty and best reviews that I can possibly afford. The all-in-one printer/fax/copier/scanner job sounds more like four cheap and probably unreliable devices all at once.

  17. People who fly.. by StevenHallman76 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why would you want a cellphone/pda combo? or a cellphone/mp3 player combo? The first thing they tell you when you get on a plane is TURN OFF YOUR CELLPHONE. As soon as your devices are combined you lose them all whenever you fly..

    don't combine my cellphone with anything!

    1. Re:People who fly.. by mesocyclone · · Score: 2

      My Kyocera 6035 "smartphone" Palm functionality works just fine with the phone turned off. For palm users, this is a very nice compromise convergence device. I replaces, in my pocket, a cell phone and a PalmV with something smaller than the combined weight/form factor of those two.

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  18. Err... it already exists in Japan!! by nikko · · Score: 4, Informative

    Dude, check out the latest DoCoMo phones. THey do it all. They have built in keyboard, built-in PDA, run Java, built-in tiny digital camera. They send email, they browse the web (well at least i-mode sites), they can attach pictures to your email.

    Oh yeah, as an added bonus the mobile phone service actually works!! (unlike in the U.S.).

    Unfortunately they're only available in Tokyo (looks like a decent place to live). I don't think people in the U.S. realize just how far behind our mobile communications infrastructure has fallen.

    1. Re:Err... it already exists in Japan!! by winter@ES · · Score: 2

      "Unfortunately they're only available in Tokyo (looks like a decent place to live). I don't think people in the U.S. realize just how far behind our mobile communications infrastructure has fallen."

      Thanks to the FCC and the big guys' stranglehold on the airwaves.

      F^&@#ng sigh.

      paulb

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  19. Re:Why Color? by RedX · · Score: 2
    What is it about color displays that makes them a "must have"? I've got a Psion Revo [psion.com] which doesn't suffer from lack of color, and has a longer battery life for it.

    I was of the same opinion, until I sold my Revo and bought a Jornada 565. The Revo didn't even have a backlight and was practically useless in dim lighting. None of those problems with color. I do miss the keyboard though, my terrible handwriting will probably never work well with the various pen input methods.

  20. Seriously..... by not-quite-rite · · Score: 2

    When it is made smaller and voice enabled, and can handle being submerged and knocked around(milspec) then I will get excited.

    Can I wear it on my wrist? Can it give me altitude? Temperature? Magnetic North? GPS?
    Can it tell me my heartrate? Can I tell it to take a message, and have it converted into text? Can it seamlessly connect to another computer and synchronise all the info? Will it be a take anywhere computer that allows me to analyse data or even act as a log wherever I go?

    A mix between the SUUNTO wristtop computers, and the onhandpc(www.onhandpc.com)would be nice.

    OK my rant is over for now.

  21. Am I missing something? by Acoustic_Nowhere · · Score: 2, Interesting
    "All the 'convergenc' devices I've seen so far are great, but they all miss a feature or two. Cellphones with PDAs but no keyboard"

    Did anybody else miss the discussion group 2-3 articles below that reviews the Handspring Treo -Cellphone, PDA, keyboard...?

  22. what more could one want: 3G or GPRS by StrawberryFrog · · Score: 2
    Excluding a color screen, what more could one want in a toy

    3G or at very least, GPRS. That's what I would want.

    At least the Handsping Treo will be upgradable to limited GPRS.

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    1. Re:what more could one want: 3G or GPRS by adamspiers · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It does have GPRS. Check the product specs section in the Flash demo.

  23. Blatant Karma Whoring by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Informative

    The site seems to be slashdotted, but I found a few other stories on it, and this one has a small picture of the device in question.

    Enjoy

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  24. Danger Mouse PDA? by jfsather · · Score: 2, Funny


    Damn, when I first saw the message I thought it was about a new PDA for Danger Mouse. Penfold will be sad about that. "But Chief, you promised!"

    -J

  25. All of these things are great until... by sphealey · · Score: 2

    you hit 25 and your eyesight starts its inevitable and irreversible decline. Then those 2" (5 cm) screens don't seem so wonderful anymore...

    sPh

  26. a good one hand keyboard by Monofilament · · Score: 2, Interesting

    what i want to see on these PDA's is a good one hand easy to ues keyboard. I mean.. one that is not a QWERTY... ok Yeah you'd nead to relearn it but its not that hard to relearn something like that anyway.. Also it would be a hell of a lot easier and quicker to do stuff.. I mean QWERTY was an invention to make sure typewriter hammers wouldn't jam together.. Thus it made you type slower and all the commmon keys are far apart for less probable jamming. Now we have computers we shouldn't need to use that anymore. I mean hell I would love to be able to type with one hand quick and easily.. and I know that a keyboard could be made for this.. and it would be easy to use. (i have seen the half keyboard that was made but... thats still QWERTY and its still harder than it needs to be)

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  27. Why it needs palm OS by vanguard · · Score: 2

    I need my dream device to run palm OS because I sync with meeting maker (a calendar/scheduler tool) at work.

    Whenever I see something running a new OS I know it won't have the third party support that I need. On a side note, I bet WinCE supports whatever calendar tools I'll need too.

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  28. Barcode scanner by vik · · Score: 2

    I wanna built-in barcode scanner with no wires to tangle. I don't care whether it's software for the camera, CCD or laser. Every damn thing I buy except fresh fruit has a barcode on it. My receipt now has a barcode on it. I want to be able to scan the things and automate my shopping list. Sad, eh?

    Vik :v)

  29. Try the Half Keyboard by yerricde · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I mean QWERTY was an invention to make sure typewriter hammers wouldn't jam together.. Thus it made you type slower

    Do you know the URL of a study that shows that QWERTY is significantly slower on average than Dvorak?

    and all the commmon keys are far apart for less probable jamming.

    Sholes placed the keys far apart so that the keys would have a better chance of alternating between hands (yes, I know, some words such as 'monopoly' fail, but unless you're transcribing a finding of fact in the sequel to the Microsoft case, it shouldn't matter).

    Here's a one-handed keyboard that uses the QWERTY or Dvorak muscle memory you already have.

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