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"Dark Matter" Observed
An anonymous submitter writes: "The space news site Space Flight Now has an article about the first direct "observation" of so called dark matter. Galaxies appear to have more gravitation (mass) than we can currently observe. The theory of dark matter tries to explain this missing mass by the existence of massive bodies too faint to detect. These bodies include everything from dim stars to exotic particles called WIMPs. The previously dark matter, a dwarf star, was detected when it passed in front of a brighter blue star, creating a gravitational lens. It is thought that there are many more like it out there creating all that extra gravity, we just can't see them." Wired has another story; or see the European Space Agency's original article.
I am glad to see this report, I read some where when I was in highschool that dark matter was this exotic matter that could not be seen even if you had it in your hand....that made no sence to me. I am glad to see a more sensable discription like this.
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How long until Dark Matter is banned as a circumvention device for light waves?
The universe is held together with duct tape and karma. What goes around, comes around, and gets stuck to your forehead.
The fate of the universe is held by dark matter. Without dark matter, there is insufficient gravity to bind all matter together forever. If there is enough dark matter, with its attendant gravity, then eventually the universe will collapse back onto itself. Probably the end result of that would be another Big Bang.
What a pair of choices.
So long and thanks for all the fish . . . !!!
The logic of astrophysicists has always amazed me. We can see dark matter, which is invisable because it sucks in light, because we can see a star from very far away. Wow. We should put these astrophysicists in charge of something more usefull where their unique flair of logic could be of real use.
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The result greatly strengthens the argument that a large fraction of the 'normal' Dark Matter in and around our Galaxy exists in the form of MACHOs and that this Dark Matter is not as dark as previously believed!
Does anyone else have the feeling we are just playing peek-a-boo.
"Hey, its dark in here. Where did everyone go?"
"Ummm, move your hands!?"
"Oh, there they are. That was really weird!"
You've just got to love cosmology...
The reason we can't see the dark matter is due to the proliferation of soft light in the Universe, as was depicted in the X-files episode: Soft Light. ;)
Dark matter is increasing, the universe is going to expand until we are so far apart that we all freeze to death.
The universe will not collapse, that theory was proven false a long time ago. Since its proven that we are moving apart, Its safe to assume that we will move apart forever.
Also for big bangs, Big bangs happen all the time, in fact Big bangs are happening right now.
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The observed object is a dwarf star. It is luminous. This article should have been titled "Confirmation that one of the MACHO objects is not Dark Matter".
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I remember an episode of Dr. Who back about 15 years ago that featured 'Dark Light'. There was a briefcase type container which housed some 'dark light' and people were trying to steal it because it was so precious.
;) so what's this Dark Light stuff about?
So we got Dark Matter, and Dark Fibre
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First, there was a plan: how to bring together the different development groups at work? My boss said there was a sort of tension he thought could be eased by some social interaction. Not easy. Almost all of the different development groups despised each other, each thinking its "art" was more important and eloquent than the others'.
There was the kernel extension developer group, coding mostly in C and some PowerPC and x86 assembler. They worked on making our PCI board work with Linux, *BSD, Mac OS X, QNX, and Solaris. They worked "special hours," coming in at one and staying late, supposedly, until seven or eight at night. They enjoyed Jizz cola and had a penchant for ThinkGeek t-shirts and cracking jokes about Win32 API calls and the dreaded Blue Screen of Death.
We had XML developers too. They worked on our website, documentation formatting, and simple apps to configure the driver software. They used HTML, XSL, JavaScript, and a bit of Java. They typically dressed casually, drank coffee and tea, and liked to work straight from the spec: no "Learn XSL in 30 Days" books were to be found in their cubicle farm.
Then we had the guys who wrote full-out UNIX apps. These guys and the products they wrote had been acquired from another company, and were the source of most of the tension: they'd never really been integrated into our group except that they were physically present with the rest of us. They all had beards or mullets or long, unwashed hair. Many wore suspenders or the afore-mentioned ThinkGeek clothes; some even had Penguin tatooes or small C app code tattooed on them. Their cubicle farm was known for the bleating laughter that exploded when one of them found a "silly" bug on someone else's code, and for the rotten, fetid stench that could only be compared to three-day-old shit reeking from inside a rotting corpse's abdominal cavity.
So, in order to get the guys to "know each other" my boss had asked me to organize a during-hours, alcohol-friendly party. My ideas ranged from a keg or two to live entertainment, AKA strippers. But as to what to get them to actually talk to each other in a human manner I had no clue. So I let it go til the last minute and decided to let my inherent creativity mull it over in the back of my head.
When the day of the party had arrived, the catering company brought in a few trays of lunch meat, chicken, pizza, and side dishes, I had picked up the kegs (all four) from the local brewery, and the big-screen TV and DVD were set up ready to blast the Matrix into the eyes and ears of my co-workers. The eagerness in the the air was encouraging and I thought that loosening up and smiles going on even now were a good sign. I even saw some of the guys who'd known each other previously begin to bunch up, bringing along the co-workers they knew from everyday work.
The first thing everyone did was hit the food line, loading up their plates and grabbing a cup for beer to wash it down with. A few approached me and thanked me for the food; it seems appeasing the belly really did tame the beast. After a few minutes of silence and eating and a few second and third courses, they guys were ready to sit down and be entertained. After asking if anyone needed anything else before the movie started, the lights went out and the Matrix began playing. I heard a few enthusiastic comments and jokes being told.
About half-way through the movie I noticed a lot of the guys, especially from the UNIX app group, were getting up and presumably going to the restroom. No suprise, as the second keg was history by now and the third was probably half-way gone. I also noticed some of the guys bumping into things and stumbling. Alcohol's the social lubricant, eh? Well, not long after, my bladder beckoned and I answered. As I made my way to the restroom, I had a self-satisfied smile on my face: my little plan was working, my boss would be happy, and it might even a Christmas bonus or a promotion (even if in title only).
Well, as soon as I pushed the restroom door open, I knew something was wrong. The smell of vomit was pretty strong and I hoped that it'd only been the work of one guy. But the smell was so pungent! After standing at the urinal, waiting for the golden flow to commence, I stood in silence. It was then that I heard grunting. Listening intently for a few seconds, I hoped whoever was upchucking their beer and munchies wasn't leaving a huge mess for the cleanup crew. After pissing and still hearing the noise, I approached the stall the that moaning was coming from.
"Hey, you alright in there, man?" I asked cautiously.
I was met by silence for a moment. Then I heard a few grunts and concealed giggles. Something was up in there. It was then that I heard what sounded like crying and more moaning. What the fuck? I decided I needed to see what was going on. I didn't want this party to come crashing down around my ears. I pushed the door open hard and then gasped as I saw the most sordid, disgusting thing I'd ever seen in my life.
Standing on either side of the toilet were two if the UNIX app coders, their beards caked with vomit, their pants in puddles around ankles, with erect penises wagging in the air. Doubled over the toilet, his head nearly dunked in the swill, was one of the XML developers. His pants were also around his ankles and what appeared to be a combination of blood and semen were dripping from his torn, ragged anus. He was covered in vomit from head to toe, and he was crying hard into the toilet bowl, its echo an eerie accompaniment to the awful scene I was seeing but not believing.
They two Linux coders slowly turned and looked me straight in the eye, evil grins smeared across both of their bearded faces.
"What in Fuck's name are you doing!?" was all I could force out of my mouth. I still wasn't believing I was seeing this.
Saying nothing, both of the Linux coders rushed me. Being in such a tense state, I threw both of them off and made a break for the door. And the fucking thing wouldn't open. In the follow two seconds that seemed like an eternity, the door was pushed open my way and two more Linux coders came in. Upon seeing what was happening, they immediately grabbed me and were joined by the first two. I was trapped. Then the one guy, who was a dead-ringer for Rasputin, the mad Russian monk, gazed into my eyes and said in a feminine voice, "Looks like Mr. Party is gonna get a taste of the real action!" and cackled insanely.
Cold sweat spurted from the pores on my foreheads and cheeks as I was dragged by the four stinking, polluted hippies into the same stall their previous victim was in. Rasputin spoke again, excitement in his voice.
"Thanks for the pizza and beer, now it's time for the weeners and buns!"
Immediately the first two slogged their pants off and got down on their knees. The other two put there knees in my back and held me on top of the first victim, who now appeared to be unconscious. I heard their belts coming off and their zippers coming down, and some rustling around told me that their pants were coming down also. Then the first two started sucking off the other two, in what I could only call the most enthusiastic blowjobs I'd ever seen in my life. The moaning and slurping sounds turned my stomach and I retched. I could see why the first guy might have vomited.
Eventually Rasputin and his cohort started moaning more loudly, and one of them said "fifteen seconds." This was followed by a series of rapid-fire belching and burping that shook me up and down on the guy underneath me. After about fifteen seconds, all Hell broke loose. The two guys behind me started vomiting on the two guys fellating them and I saw cumshot shoot and mix with the vomit all over the two cocksuckers' faces. It was then that I almost lost. I finally did refund when the first two vile fluids were followed by streams of piss. I heard swallowing and dripping and I yacked all over their first victim's head.
Rasputin cried out like a little girl in ecstasy. "Oh god, I'd been waiting for that all night! This party fuckin' roxorz my coxor!"
Now it was my turn, it seemed, as all four started tearing my pants down. Chunks of vomit-piss-semen fell on my back and soaked through my t-shirt. It was reviling. I shuddered as I felt their cold, clammy hands in my ass-crack and a very indelicate reacharound on my ball-sack. At this point I had no idea who was doing what, and I was just praying that I'd wake up and realize I was drunk and dreaming a la nightmare.
Just then I heard the door boom open and my boss's voice fill the air. The stall door was open and he saw right away the turgid scene transpiring in front of him. His voice was immediately followed by two others, XML developers I knew, and they flew into the stall as best they could and began a fight to save my asshole. The poor guy underneath me had just woken up and started struggling and the extra weight of eight other bodies in the stall must have been suffocating.
"It'll be all right, buddy," I offered to him.
Within thirty seconds I was to my feet and was delivering the most heart-felt kicks to the guts of the rapist faggot Linux coders. Between me, my boss, and the two XML developers, we had the gang of four knocked out in a sloppy, excrement-filled pile of hairy body.
It's now been a month since this horrible incident and I am in regular therapy with a sexual abuse counselor. In response to the terrible outcome of this party, my boss toyed with the idea of selling the group off to another company, sans the four hippies who'd been fired and arrested. After considerable urging on my part, and very open ear from my boss, the whole group was dissolved and the Linux coders lost their jobs. Their product was delayed by a year as my boss began hiring a new development team. We'd found evidence that the whole group had been involved in the planning of the gang- bangs and that had it not been for us everyone would have had a "turn" in the stalls.
If there's one thing we learned from this tragedy is that Linux coders, users, and advocates are desperate cock-lusting homosexual faggots that can't be trusted in any situation, let alone a restroom setting. You've been warned.
On the positive side, though, the whole incident brought solidarity between the other groups in the company and I am now on schedule to get a huge Christmas package that not only includes a gigantic bonus but a month's worth of paid time off and a real promotion.
It moves space around the ship!!
Of course dark matter exists. It's pooped out by that little monster, Nibbler on Futurama. It powers starships ppl!!!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the article said MACHOS were just really large clumps of normal mass that don't emit any light, so when they say they've found MACHOS, they mean they've just found stuff. You know, really big rocks and such. It's impressive that they's partially proven a theory that would explain where all the dark matter is, but it really sounds like they're trying to sound impressive when they call what they've found MACHOS. Why not just "rocks", or "stuff"?
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Is the theory which says, at any given moment the universe can simply destroy itself, and while the chances are 1 in a billion or something really high and unlikely, the possibility is there for ALL matter in the universe to cease to exsist.
Time wont end, just our lives. Even if matter no longer there in this form, its energy will still be there
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We are already pretty sure that most of the missing matter must be non-baryonic (i.e., it must be made of something other than protons, neutrons and electrons).
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...it's that stuff in the back of my refrigerator!
:)
which means its time to move
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It was indeed Bohdan Paczynski who wrote the first paper about that specific phenomenon, if I recall correctly, the paper was titled "Microlensing on small optical depths". And indeed, he was the one who invented the term "microlensing".
However, I'm more concerned with "extragalactic" microlensing. The funny thing is that stars in remote galaxy can cause microlensing of even more remote quasars. This was first discussed by Chang and Refsdal in an article in Nature, December 6 1979.
The great thing about this is that in galactic microlensing, there are very few MACHOs between us and the stars, so you would have to watch a lot of stars (millions), whereas in extragalactic microlensing, there will be lots of stars, so microlensing events happen all the time. You only need to separate it from the intrinsic variations of quasar...
Now, galactic microlensing has been a so much bigger field of study than extragalctic microlensing, we haven't really got that much attention. In part, it can be becuase galactic microlensing gives so much more solid results, but then, it is just addressing what's going on in our backyard, while the extragalactic microlensing really deals with the universe... :-)
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I, too, used to think that 'dark matter' was some powerful, mystic thing that sucked in light like a black hole.
:)
My current understanding is that dark matter is just normal matter that doesn't emit light. For reference, all matter does 'suck in' light (meaning the energy is absorbed, usually given off as heat).
So, I'm gonna go soon, and eat my dark-matter lunch
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It doesn't matter if your dark or light!
My biggest problem with modern science (physics and astrophysics in particular) is this truly inane method of making "conjectural" observations...that is, assuming that and unobservable activity has been proven simply because something observable has occurred. It's an antiquated way of doing things, and it seems totally backwards. This is a good example...all this time, physicists have assumed that "dark matter" - the matter that provides a great deal of the gravitational force that holds the universe together - is "invisible" or "unobservable" or in some extreme cases "existing in a separate yet intertwined reality". Doesn't it make a LOT more sense to think that dark matter is just the stuff floating around that doesn't have any light bouncing off of it? What, just because we can't see it with our super-expensive orbiting telescopes means that it's invisible? I can COMPLETELY believe the idea that dark matter is just regular matter that isn't being illuminated or is not emitting enough radiation for us to detect! But it seems that this, the most obvious explanation, is the last one that physicists want to believe.
I really think it's past time for these researchers to change the way they think about the universe. Stop making it so difficult on yourselves. There really CAN be very simple explanations to difficult problems. And sometimes - sorry to tell you this - you're not going to be able to determine EVERYTHING that you want to figure out. That's the way the universe works. Give it time - a LOT of time. Don't come up with unprovable theories to explain irrational phenomena. LET THEM REMAIN UNEXPLAINED UNTIL WE ARE BETTER ABLE TO OBSERVE THEM.
as a matter of fact, it's all dark.
The funny part is, within 90%-95%, this is really true of the entire universe.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
Wonderful bit of observation.
/unit space. That will let us get at least a rough estimate of how much of the universe's dark matter is bound up in these MACHO's.
But the teams are going to need to be funded so that they can do a complete survey of a larger area of the sky, and begin to get a bound on the number of MACHOs/galaxy or
Anyone know what the longer term funding situation is here? Is it NSF funded?
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Yoda and the Skywalker family have been using "dark matter" (aka the force) for years..
Also, every object currently moving outward from the center of the universe is being slowed but the sum total of all of the gravition of the objects behind it.
There's no such thing as the centre of the Universe. If there was we'd be able to tell whereabouts we were because everything would be rushing away from the centre. Instead the Universe is isotropic and homogenous - ie. it looks the same in all directions and from all positions. Wherever you are in the Universe you'll see the rest of the Universe spreading away from your position.
And anyway, whether gravity can slow down the expansion of the Universe enough depends on the amount of matter within it, which is a conserved quantity. Of course, as gravity follows an inverse square law the forces slowing down spacetime expansion get weaker over time, and we just don't know whether there's enough matter so that gravity is strong enough.
Probably not, but who knows?
I mean, not that dying stars or black holes are merely ordinary, but "Dark Matter" sounded so much more mysterious.
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The relative abundance of the light elements is supposed to have been determined by the Big Bang, and that sets a limit on ordinary matter. I also understand that Guth's inflation theory predicts that the Universe has the critical mass density, which is many times both the visible mass as well as the allowed ordinary-matter mass, hence the search for exotic forms of matter (WIMP's -- weakly-interacting massive particals).
Does anyone have good mass census numbers for M1 (fraction-of-critical-mass in galactic stars), M2 (FOCM seeming to hold galaxies together), and M3 (FOCM seeming to hold galaxy cluster together)? I thought M1 = 0.001, M2 = 0.01, M3 = 0.1 is roughly the current numbers. That means that those lumps of dirt (M2 - M1) is less than 1 percent of critical mass, although M2-M1 needs to be some kind of dirt lumps (or mini black holes) not to go flying off.
Does anyone know the FOCM for mass of stuff (baryonic particles) from the Big Bang nucleosynthesis limit?
Well.. neither am I. But that's what science is about. Observation, hypothesis, experimentation, etc.
It's not BACKWARDS. It's a big universe.. so we need to have a good idea of what to look for.
I think it was perhaps thought that, if this 'normal matter' accounted for what we saw, we would SEE MORE OF IT, because it's not hidden.
Oh. BTW. We observe electrons, quarks, and the rest of the subatomic particles only through your so-called 'conjectural' observations. Same with some of the 'properties' of these particles.. they exist purely in a mathematical model that works for a certain set of cases; it's not complete.
The point is that they think it's likely that, given the amount of 'missing' matter from what we have observed to date, there may be some 'exotic' reason we can't see it.
The fundamental problem here in finding this stuff is that it's all pretty much black. And the basic colour of space, you see, is also black. So how are we supposed to see it?
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Behind you! The Dark Matter! It's sneaking up on you, can't you see it! Run! Run!!
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This phenomenon has been around for a while now. If you observe certain distant galaxies, you notice an effect called gravitational lensing which is the dark matter's effect on the light traveling from that distant galaxy to earth. Astronomers have been observing this for a while now and it isn't a new discovery. What is new is the Sudbury neutrino observatory's (SNO) findings. They have discovered that neutrinos have a mass (they were previously thought of as weightless particles). It is beleived that a large source of the dark matter found in the universe consists of these neutrinos. This will allow astronomers to possibly account for the dark matter. If we do have enough dark matter in the universe, it means the growth of the universe will be reversed and it will collapse onto itself. The ammount of observable matter in the universe does not have a large enough gravitational pull to halt this expansion, but the dark matter in the universe may be able to account for the missing matter which will reverse the acceleration which has been going on since the big bang. This growth/collapse cycle may have been going on since infinity as well... It's kind of unsettling.
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Seriously, even if no central point can be defined from a distance perspective (which I am perfectly willing to accept), there must still be a gravitational center - a location where the amount of matter, and the average of that matter's distance works out to be roughly equal in all directions.
That's the whole point of it being isotropic and homogenous - there is no single preferred point at which you can say "this is the centre". At any point you choose there is a (approximately) uniform distribution of matter in every direction. Sure there are local irregularities (galactic superclusters for instance), but on a large enough scale this uniformity seems to hold.
Of course, this is speculative, and as much as I'd like to see a unified theory of everything someday, I don't know that we'll ever get there. The thing I like about the cyclic Big Bang/Big Crunch idea is that it puts us on a timer! We don't have forever to solve all of the riddles of the universe... It's more like (Forever - 1).
Heh, well the latest theory to come out of superstring research is called the Big Splat, and involves four-dimensional manifolds embedded in a five-dimensional manifold, of which two collide and start the Big Bang...
Dark Matter is not as dark as previously believed!
Does this mean that the jedi knights are winning with the fifth element weapon?
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The article says that they observed the microlensing event several years back and then recently took another look at the area using Hubble. They found a faint red dwarf which probably cause the lensing of the nearby (arc second wise) main sequence star.
So, if we can observe the 'dark' matter as being a red dwarf, it's not exactly 'dark' is it? I would assume that objects like red dwarfs, if observable, would have already been counted in the total 'bright matter' column. If not, someone is just undercounting objects that are observable using normal astronomical methods, and needs to go back and make a better estimate of how many of them are out there.
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If in fact dark matter is matter which exists gravitationally but will not interact w/the EM spectrum, wouldn't you be able to feel it with your hands but not see it? (Provided you have a small bit of it nearby)
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Then, couldn't you somehow use this "material" for stealth purposes? Body armor making you invisible, etc. etc.
I find it amusing that as humans, we can only detect the existence of something if we can collide EM particles w/it (photons, etc.) We should rephrase a familiar motto to be "I can interact w/EM particles, therefore I exist."
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I can COMPLETELY believe the idea that dark matter is just regular matter that isn't being illuminated or is not emitting enough radiation for us to detect! But it seems that this, the most obvious explanation, is the last one that physicists want to believe.
I used to work in a research institute that had a lot of physicists in it, and I think most of them would prefer the mundane explanation. However, they would not rule out wild possibilities, and the minority that preferred the wild possibilities would not rule out mundane explanations.
I think that your problem may be with the reporting of science, which I agree sucks. One thing I have learned (rather painfully) upon my transition from research science to industry is that scientists operate and think very differently from the way journalists think. The journalist tries to translate what the scientists are saying into what he and/or she thinks is the language of most people. This causes distortion, for two reasons:
I dealt with a lot of journalists during my 13 years as a research scientist, and I cannot think of a single instance where the journalist got the story even approximately right. The worldview of the journalist is simply too different from the worldview of the scientist. Very, very few scientists are gifted enough with words to provide alternate explanations, and even when they do, they are usually ignored by people who have read a lot of journalistic reviews of science and love to tell the scientists that they're wrong.
Scientists love to toss around wild guesses and argue fiercely about them. The reason they do this is that this process stimulates imagination and the generation of hypotheses, which give hints on what to look for. The sky is just too big simply to passively look around and gather evidence that you will synthesize later. That approach might be ideal if we had an infinite number of scientists, but we don't. The next best thing is to have a diverse community of scientists, each looking for a different thing. Most may be looking for mundane explanations, but a few will be following wild hairs. This is not a bad thing, because whether the wild hairs turn out to be supported or unsupported, knowing this information reduces the number of ideas that have to be considered. Eventually, if we're lucky, a consensus eventually emerges. But, remember, this is the first observation of a class of objects, not the last.
So, some people will be looking for A, and some will be looking for B, etc. Some of them will get evidence that confirms their guesses; some will not, but all will contribute to the sum of knowledge.
It's a bit like doing detective work. You can't just put cameras everywhere and feed the output into a massive algorithm that solves all possible crimes. Instead, you have to follow leads, guesses, hunches, etc. The only difference in science is that a lot of scientists are doing it, and they tend to keep each other honest.
Now, the journalist wants to make a good story, above all. The mundane does not make a good story. Neither does the concept of a working hypothesis, a guess, or a hunch. So, the journalist (or ESA public relations department or whatever) writes a dramatic story focusing on the exciting bits.
Then, finally, when it gets to the readers, they conclude that something is an Explanation from On High, when it is really nothing of the kind. That's just what happened to it in the process of translation through the journalist.
One thing about science that usually doesn't get around is that the scientist is always in doubt. No scientist is really, deep down, 100% sure of anything. He and/or she may be close to 100% sure, but that isn't a trivial difference; it's a vast chasm in a philosophical sense. This is a very difficult thing to learn, and some scientists forget it. The best scientists, however, do remember it, and some are articulate in describing it, such as Richard Feynman. It isn't a need that most people have to deal with at all, and so explanations tend to be ignored.
For the notion of "dark matter," nobody is even close to 100% sure about anything. The whole need to look for dark matter is because, without it, the equations and predictions relating to the big bang look ugly and unbalanced. That may seem like the flimsiest of reasons, until you remember that radio and relativity were developed as a result of precisely that kind of aesthetic judgement of Maxwell's equations. It could all turn out to be totally wrong, which leads to another poorly understood aspect of science: the most effective evidence is that which is against an idea, not for it. However, the best way we know of to find evidence against an idea is to look for evidence for an idea. This is another psychological trick: if you are emotionally attached to an idea, you will try much harder to show it is correct, and a failure to do so means more than a failure of a casual effort. If you do unintentionally distort evidence to support your hypothesis (this happens all the time, far more than outright fraud), there is always somebody else who will poke holes in your ideas. This is good, not bad, but it's very hard to translate that into the language of most people, where auditors are the enemy, not friends.
Hold on there feller.
Probably the best analogy for scientific inquiry I ever heard was this one:
Science is like a candle in a dark room; it gives you light but it also shows you how much darkness there is around you. The corrolary is that as you increase you candles (knowledge) the more you'll find out that you do not know, and how much there is to know.
It is similar with studying Dark Matter. We cannot just shelve the matter until we 'are in a better position'. Having a better idea of how the universe will end up helps scientists better figure out how the universe works. Yes, none of us will be alive to appreciate either the end or the start of the universe, but it does have some relatively short term benefits.
Study in one scientific field or the other usually translates into benefits for other fields. So potentially, studying Dark Matter can helps us find better energy production methods; better propulsion; better scientific standards.
Having a good model of how the universe works can better help us in the next 200-400 years where space navigation, even in our local space, is going to be crucial. A think a fitting analogy is the European explorers and cartographers of the 14th and 15th century. Without the searches and time they expended on finding out how the world looks around them Europe would not have been in a position to become a giant of science and master of the world in its time. By taking that a bit further we could say that without those cartographers we'd not be using email right now because the industrial revolution was delayed 100 years.
So our 'useless' studies of Dark Matter might be the stepping stone into a new Era for humans.
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if the universe were to go into a big crunch we will be moving back toward the center.....
Not at all. Using the usual analogy think of a universe with 2 spacial and 1 time dimension, where the spatial dimensions are on the surface of a "balloon." As the universe expands (as in blowing the balloon up) things get further apart, but equally so at every point on the surface of the balloon - there is no "centre". Equally so for when it is contracting - it contracts everywhere equally and there is no centre of contraction on the surface.
Extrapolating from a 3-d sphere to a 4-d hypersphere, it's easy to see there doesn't have to be a centre in this case either. It's just a lot harder to visualise :)
It is true that everything is moving away from everything else on a large scale (and ignoring the peculiar motion caused by local gravity, like that between Andromeda and teh Mikly Way).
From the page you linked to:
In the above all-sky map, radiation in the Earth's direction of motion appears blueshifted and hence hotter, while radiation on the opposite side of the sky is redshifted and colder. The map indicates that the Local Group moves at about 600 kilometers per second relative to this primordial radiation.
The difference between the two halves of the sky is due to the relative motion of the Local Group of galaxies, not some "centre of the universe" effect.
WIMPs? MACHOs? Are you sure we're not talking about Dork Matter here?
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As for "equally qualified scientists with Ph.D's", give me a break. On what basis are you possibly qualified to judge that?
Probably because he's a Brit. The spellings of many words in American English differ from that of The Queen's English. This is largely due to the anti-British sentiments held by Noah Webster: he intentionally revised the spellings of many words to differentiate the American language from it's ancestor. It helps to know that Noah Webster was a student at Yale during the Revolutionary War -- during most of his lifetime, England was the enemy of the U.S., not the close ally it is today.
Why is it that the proponents of "one nation under God" are so eager to get rid of "liberty and justice for all"?
http://www.autodynamics.org/
Dark matter will be declared a terrorist tool. Anyone found harboring dark matter will be found guilty of aiding and abetting terrorists.
BTW, I've always wondered, is the matter that has been sucked into black holes considered is the total matter of the universe equation? It seems that everywhere they look, they find another black hole. Maybe there's alot of unaccounted matter out there.
Just word play, the Weakly Interacting Massive Particle theory (WIMP) was competing with the MAssive Compact Halo Object (MACHO) theory.
They don't need to not emit ANY light, they just need to emit so little we can't normally see them. If the interstellar dust absorbs most of the light emitted by a distant dwarf star we can't see the light from the star. So we don't know there's a star there, but we can see the effects of it's gravity.
Black holes constitute dark matter (of the MACHO variety). However, there simply haven't been enough of them produced to constitute most of the dark matter. (At least unless our theories of star formation are vastly wrong.)
Maybe the Hubble lens has a smudge...
Randomly clicking into the moebiac abyss...
Funny that this should come up just after the discussoin of Einstein's work a few days ago and how some givens have to be questioned. There is a small group of Astronomers who have an alternate theory to all this "Dark Matter" based on an acronym, MOND.
MOND stands for MOdified Newtonian Dynamics. It is a modification of the usual Newtonian force law hypothesized in 1983 by Moti Milgrom of the Weizmann Institute as an alternative to Dark Matter.
MOND can be interpreted as either a modification of gravity through a change to the Poisson equation, or as a modification of inertia through a breaking of the equivalence of inertial and gravitational mass.
The modification occurs at very small accelerations. Above a critical acceleration a0 (the one parameter of the theory), everything is normal. Below a0, the effective acceleration approaches a = (gN a0)1/2, where gN is the normal Newtonian acceleration. The two regimes are joined smoothly by an interpolation function mu(x) with the asymptotic property mu(x) -> 1 for x >> 1 and mu(x) -> x for x 1, where x = a/a0.
Much more, including links to literature, experimental results, IAS proceedungs, etc. call all be found though:
http://www.astro.umd.edu/~ssm/mond/
I used to believe the universe would eventually go through a Big Crunch/Big Bang cycle again. But the recent discovery of an expansionary force acting on galaxies (ie: the universe is increasing its rate of expansion, "blowing up quicker") has been a bit of a slap in the face for that point of view. So we're back to an open universe: it is basically a big firecracker destined for heat death.
Having a bunch of dead stars hanging around galaxies would seem to indicate a sort of "fossil history" of our galaxy. I wonder how far out these relic stars go out from the center... I mean, our system is pretty far out, but we may be the equivalent of the Earth in relation to an "Oort Cloud" of dark matter in our (somewhat bigger) galaxy.
A friend of a friend, who is doing post-grad work in Physics at Clown College, has just switched majors from particle physics to cosmology, which is a pretty big switch. I think he's smart: astronomy and cosmology are going to be the next Big Science soon enough.
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If the 4th knowed dimensions are really a sphere of a higher 5th dimension then contraction isnt needed, just go all the way Z and you will end on the same point, what means that universe is contracting and expanding at the same time. Space may be finite but without frontiers , more or less like a 2nd dimension map of our 4 dimensions earth.
With such dedication to my craft, I dont know if I will ever have time to follow in your footsteps,,, err wondering if I'd want to... yikes !!!
If HOWTO's are so Damn good.. then why the heck do we have so many sites devoted to support ?
Oversimplifying popular reports are the bane..
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Dark matter - "So heavy that each pound weighs over *Ten Thousand* pounds!" --Futurama
Maybe a better explanation for the un-accounted for gravity is not dark matter, but actually that the gravity is greater per unit of mass for these far away systems. It is kind of like Kurt Vonnegut's Slapstick. He claims that gravity is actually a varying force, and that is why the egyptians were able to build the pyramids so easily. We only think that gravity is constant because it has not changed in the past few thousand years.
I'm not saying that Vonnegut is correct, I'm just trying to keep everyone's mind open.
That's so not true. Dark matter and dark energy account for roughly 95% of what's in our universe. The other 5%--stars, planets, etc.--comprise the minority of things that we can empirically study. Neutrinos fall into that group, too. We've been studying them for years now.
This discovery will change those percentages. Better still, knowing the mass of dark matter (which we can now *see* instead of just see evidence of..) allows us to do really cool things like estimate the total mass of the universe and even determine if the universe has a finite end, just as it had a finite beginning roughly 14 billion years ago. This is big--really big.
The whole idea of dark matter was invented to protect the current paradigm. Until it was threatened, nobody worried about it.
"You must try to forget all you have learned. You must begin to dream." -- Sherwood Anderson
It's amazing you can narrow cosmology down to something so simple.
I bet none of the scientists who have devoted their lives to research on the matter ever considered maybe some planets we can't see make up for all that missing matter in their math. I bet they never even considered it..
And your little quote of Occam's Razor is incorrect. The real quote is more like
"All other things being equal, the simplest explanation is likely the right one"
Watch Dish network Channel 9400 The Research Channel. Today in science there was a whole lecture on dark matter and microlensing.
A poor-mans cloaking device?
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