Aussies Ban GTA3

KITT_KATT!* writes: "Australia has banned Grand Theft Auto 3 for PS2. This is a tragedy for Australian gamers! According to this story in Australian IT, the problem is that there is no R rating for games - MA15+ is the highest permissible and GTA3 exceeds that because it contains scenes of sexual violence." Aren't you glad Australia has a helpful rating system?

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Deja-vu

[codexus]

Here's the same story

ooops

[codexus]

that link is in the story itself, sorry for the redundant comment. But if they were aware of that previous story I can't see why they posted this one. There isn't much new content in this one.

Who cares?

[Anonymous Coward]

It looks like as a form of retaliation for Troll Tuesdays, /. has come up with Oz Monday, crap flooding us with articles from/about Australia.

aye what a shame

[gtx]

that game was like a religious experience for me.

way to go oz for fucking over one of the best games ever written.

-c

Re:aye what a shame

[91degrees]

I was a little disappointed myself. The game engine has been improved, but each version of GTA has had less in your face unsubtle humour. The proper 3d engine was a nice touch, but it made it a bit too real. It makes it a little sicker to actually enjoy the violence

Re:aye what a shame

[Anonymous Coward]

It makes it a little sicker to actually enjoy the violence

Who you calling sick? Don't make me come over there and go GTA-3 on your ass!

k.t.

gta3 rocks

[faeryman]

great game after a stressful day. do the weapons cheat and have at!

i love to start small, just beating bums and old women with the bat..maybe taking a few shots at them with the pistol. make my way to the hospital area, then steal a Barracks OL in Staunton and ram people off bridges until the car blows up.

leave the charred remains in the middle of the road to block traffic, then walk by all the cars lined up with the flamethrower setting them onfire (too bad they dont blow up usally). start throwing grenades then until the cops come. kill them with the ak47 and you should have 3 stars.

steal their car, and start ramming the other cop cars and pedestrians, and drive by with the uzi until the FBI comes. i usually die around here though :(

i did this last night. i was in a cop car driving down thr sidewalk, downhill, pretty fast for maybe 8 blocks. i hit like 3 people at once and it set my car on fire lol. i pulled into the street and tried to get out, but as i was doing so an FBI car rammed the front end and they both hit a wall and blew up - but i was just standing there. i was laughing pretty hard so i didn't react quick enough to the next FBI car that came up, and shot me :(

but i started again by the hospital in Staunton so I could get the Barracks OL again! yay!

ok thats my amusing GTA3 story for the day.

Re:gta3 rocks

[kilrogg]

steal a Barracks OL in Staunton

Nevermind that, go for the tank instead (aka 'rhino', it at the same place, North staunton island, I actually didn't notice it until I finished the game, not sure if that may be a requirement to have it appear). Its SO COOL.

When you get 6 stars, the Army comes after you with tanks and trucks of soldiers. The great thing about the tank is that you are pratically invincible (but so are they), and you get to aim and fire the cannon. But watchout, some people may try car-jack you :-)

FIRST THE GUNS... then the world!

[Anonymous Coward]

i wish i could get paid $1.00US everytime i hear of yet another thing BANED in AUSTRALIA! W.T.F. do you expect, first they get the GUNS from the RULED then they take their freedoms... at first it's slow going but soon they start to get momentum, then they start banning vidio games. soon AUSTRALIA will be just another turd world country.

Re:FIRST THE GUNS... then the world!

[KITT_KATT!*]

That's because that's all that /. ever runs about Australia. It's not really any worse in Australia than anywhere else - just take a look at your Digital Millennium Copyright Act or whatever it's called and the criminalisation of hackers in the US. And I agree with gun control, thank you very much.
I think games - like movies - should have a rating system. The issue here is that there should be an R rating - it shouldn't stop at MA15+. I think that will change soon.
The other issue is that killing a prostitute for money is not part of the main game play for GTA3 - you can kill _anyone_ in the movie, so why should the prostitute be any different?

Whatever

[fleener]

I guess it goes without saying that we all believe games should allow us to "bash and kill a prostitute for money after having sex with her."

Re:Whatever

[renehollan]

And why not?

IIRC, in Canada, a woman can claim rape "after the consentual fact" if she changes her mind (perhaps she wasn't satisfied?).

In a world where women can claim rape after having consentual sex, it seams fair to have games where one can bash in the heads of prostitutes and recover one's "investment".

Re:Whatever

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't believe you on Canada. Give me a reference or shut up.

What I bet is that some woman was in the middle of having sex with a guy when he cried out someone else's name (or whatever). She said, "Get off of me!", and he refused. Then, she would have reasonable grounds for claiming rape. In my story, some men heard about this case second-hand, and misinterpreted it. I would definately believe that.

Re:Whatever

[renehollan]

The reasoning is similar to this, though not identical.

The notion is that a woman can claim to not have consented because of circumstantes that have not been communicated to her partner at the time, because they should have been "obvious" to him.

IOW, even without lack of explicit withdrawl of consent, her partner is supposed to know that consent is not present, or was withdrawn.

Re:Whatever

[Anonymous Coward]

That's a straw man argument. Glad to see a moderator identified you as a troll.

Re:Whatever

[fleener]

I'll ignore your off-topic argument (straw-man as my logic instructor used to say) and give more reaction...

I'm a big time lover of first-person shooters. Detractors note the games are tremendously violent. I've wondered if I was dulled to the violence. But the description of the prostitute assault shocks even me. There are extremes even I cannot support. I now have no problem with the idea of requiring age limits on games. It won't keep adult games from kids (nothing will), but it will send a stronger statement to borderline parents who buy games for their kids if the parent is asked for an I.D. at the register. We have ratings for movies, why not for computer games (which are more compelling and personally involving than static film).

Re:Whatever

[renehollan]

Off-topic != straw man.

Assuming that the major premise is correct, that in Canada, women can claim rape after consenting to sex (actually feminazis there weasel on the definition of consent), it stands to reason that all sorts of other absurdities are reasonable: i.e. violent video games, particularly where the virtual victims are respresentative of the source of absurdities in reality.

The only question then, is if the major premise holds up to scrutiny. See a previous reference on feminazi attitudes in Canada regarding consent, and thus whether rape occured.

I suppose one could argue that the link between the source of absurdities in reality, and objects of anger in a virtual setting is weak, and so the argument linking them is, indeed, a straw-man argument, but I don't hold that view.

Feminazi movements in Canada have resulted in absurdities such as child support payments that exceed the payor's income, resulting in jail time for contempt of court. The reasoning behind this folly is as follows: the payor is "artificially" earning less than he can to spite the recipient.

It strikes me that in such an environment, where legislation and attitude feeds a hatred of women, games that permit the resulting anger to be vented on virtual victims would be in demand.

I am not suggesting that this is reasonable or healthy, merely that it is to be expected.

Re:Whatever

[fleener]

I am not saying off-topic = straw man. However, your post is another good example of a straw man argument.

Re:Whatever

[FIGJAM]

You must be one hell of a fuckup for this to bother you. If a woman changed her mind during sex with you, are you going to deny her wishes and plead innocence? Your argument sure sounds like you would, maggot.

Clearly, if a woman changes her mind, then there must be good reason. For a woman to go to the extent of claiming rape, there also must be good reason. Sure, women can be damn confusing at times but how hard is it to understand what "NO" means? How hard is it to understand when "no MEANS no"? I hate to think how many instances there are of fuckups like you who don't get reported.

Re:Whatever

[pyros]

I think he was saying that after the sex is over, after the partners have gone separate ways, the one partner can decide it was rape, without ever having told you no.

Re:Whatever

[DarkZero]

Honestly, yes. It's called "free speech". Morally, people should be allowed to create video games that allow us to bash and kill a prostitute for money after having sex with her. And morally, I should be allowed to play that game that allows me to bash and kill a prostitute for money after having sex with her. However, the government of Oz seems to differ in the legal department of this issue. Because they're prudish assholes.

Re:Whatever

[Genjuro Kibagami]

beginning, during, end.
beginning = yes, ok keep going.
during = yes, ok keep going.
end = no, well, what are you supposed to do, put it back in and reclaim the deposit?

if you can seriously be charged for rape because a woman changed her mind after it was all over, that's an absurd proposition, it's not even an issue of whether a person would or would not agree to this (given the appropriate time travel technology I'd gladly go back and tell myself to get my head checked before having sex with certain people), it's simply not possible due to the rules of reality, what's done is done, if there was no objection before or during what the hell are you supposed to do?

then again if it's just some ignorant pig jock deciding he doesn't want to stop halfway through, that's a different matter altogether. castrate the motherfucker with a blunt rusty knife for all I care.

You can't revoke consent after the event and persecute the partner in question. that's just plain absurd.

I hope it's not like that in Canada, I kind of halfway liked the sound of that place.

As far as for the woman to go to the extent of claiming rape something must be wrong, I'd agree to you only to an extent. Something must indeed be wrong but not necessarily with the other person, some women are just by nature fucked in the head just as surely as some men are, gender has very little to do with idiocy.

Re:Whatever

[smaughster]

What crap is this? Freedom of speech is a notion introduced to protect the single person standing on a crate claiming that the government sucks. It is not a "get out of jail for free" card that will allow you to say everything. It certainly does not have anything to do with moral arguments as to whether it is "right" or "good" to be able to kill a prostitute in a video game.

Re:Whatever

[layingMantis]

ahh, but the depiction of violence, especially that which is known to occur in the real world, is not necessarily advocation of said violence. If it were, then [place your percentage here] of today's movies would be placed on the same level of GTA3 and censured as such. And what select few are fit to make these distinctions, anyway?

Re:Whatever

[DarkZero]

"Free speech" is a very simple concept that means exactly what it says. It is the freedom to say what you want. It's the freedom to talk about anything, and that freedom should certainly extend beyond spoken words and into other forms of speech, such as books, movies, music, and video games.

The government deciding that it's alright for you to stand on a crate and claim that the government sucks, but deciding that you shouldn't be able to say, read, listen to, watch, or in this case play what you want to, is not free speech. Free speech is the government not messing with speech AT ALL. What you're talking about is limited, but certainly not free, speech.

Re:Whatever

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah. I could be wrong, but i`m *sure* i`ve seen a few films where prostitutes get killed. Are these banned now also?

Re:Whatever

[renehollan]

Exactly.

The problem stems from the fact that consent can be implied... she never even suggested to stop, but never explicitly said, "yes" (just smiled and beconed to the bedroom).

The context in which this becomes a problem is a situation where expectations of a subsequent relationship weren't clear: he wanted a one night stand, and she thought this was the start of something. Since her expectations were not met, it must have been rape, no? [obviously, I think no]. So the problem reduces to what "default" expectations are supposed to be. Since individual morals and community standards vary, one would think that the burden would be on the prosecution, but feminazis in Canada have seen fit to try to push the burden on the defense, with some success.

Another example of this kind of feminazi pressure is, in custody disputes, the fact that a woman's accusations of abuse need not be substantiated by fact, but a man's do (this was a real problem in BC c. 1995-1996). The justification is that the woman is "scared of retribution" and will testify only reluctantly, so the scantiest evidence must be true.

Finally, statistics (from the same period) in Ontario reveal that 98% of recorded domestic violence cases involve men striking women... not surprising once you consider that police are required to record such forms of battery, but not the reverse. This distorted statistic helps feminazis to lobby for more preferential treatment under the law.

As I said, under such circumstances, it is not surprising that there is hatred toward feminazis that gets misdirected toward women in general.

However, the game player who has sex with and kills a virtual woman in a game may be playing out a fantasy where he "gets even" with such a feminazi and not an arbitrary woman. In such a legal environment, I would not consider this irrational.

Still, is it any wonder that injustice breeds violence as a potential response?

WTF?

[tdunn]

What scenes of sexual violence? The cut-scenes imply some, but it's never shown.

Re:WTF?

[KITT_KATT!*]

After you have sex with the prostitute (which is only shown by the shaking car), you can bash her and kill her for money. It's obviously not part of the main game play.

Cant say I'm too disappointed here.

[QuantumG]

The Office of Film and Literature Classification (OFLC) refused classification for Grand Theft Auto 3 because of a scene in which the player can bash and kill a prostitute for money after having sex with her.

Even with an R rating this would not be permissible content for a movie, let alone a game. WTF is up with the sick fucks over DMA Design?

Re:Cant say I'm too disappointed here.

[GTRacer]

WTF is up with the sick fucks over DMA Design?

They're Scottish?

GTRacer
- Games beginning with "GT" rock!

Re:Cant say I'm too disappointed here.

[91degrees]

Well.. Strictly speaking its not DMA who did that. It was whoever was playing it who did it. The game allows you to beat innocent people up, and then steal their money, and also allows you to have sex with prostitutes, but does not require you to do this in order to complete the game. Clearly only a sick twisted mind would actually attempt to do this.

Re:Cant say I'm too disappointed here.

[spankyofoz]

Even with an R rating this would not be permissible content for a movie, let alone a game. WTF is up with the sick fucks over DMA Design?
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You ever seen American Psycho, or one of 27,000 other movies. I'm australian, and I think its a stupid decision. Sure, restrict its sale to kids, but allow us adults to have some fun

Re:Cant say I'm too disappointed here.

[MindStalker]

Yes, BUT! and this is big.
The programmers released a gameplay movie before releasing the game, in which it shows you doing exactly that. Seems to me that such actions were fully intentional and encouraged by the programmers. Now had they not done so, and people simply figured it out on their own. That would have been a totally different story. Advertised uses for a product are considered to be proper uses. So the dumbfucks who made this advertisement have only themselves to blame.

Re:Cant say I'm too disappointed here.

[Anonymous Coward]

Its a damned game! That means that its *not* real.

Ever seen an R or NC-17 rated movie?

Re:Cant say I'm too disappointed here.

[Anonymous Coward]

I seriously doubt it was the "programmers" who made the movie, it was most likely the marketing/advertising department who thought that showing an extreme facet of the game (a common advertising technique for most action genres), would attract people to it. They were right, but it attracted more attention that it deserved.

How well does this reflect on their ratings scheme

[TJ_Phazerhacki]

How well does this reflect on their ratings scheme as a whole? Are any games targeted at mature audiences containing mature enough content? What happens to Soldier of fortune II when it is released? Will they just not allow it to be sold? I think it's about time to look at ratings systems, especially in our own country. What gives a person who made a decision on what was mature content even 10 years ago the right to affect decisions today? 10 years ago, the most violence found in entertainment was in games whose reality was determined by the power of the system. If a game wanted realism, it contained .mov's to enhance the gameplay. Now, games like Max Payne present an engaging story immersed in a realistic gaming experience. One thing these games have in common was that they were targeted specifically at an older crowd. Kids dont learn to shoot guns from games, and anyone old enough to pay for his own game has the right to select what s/he wants to play. Movies (another archaic system, but more effective by far) require an ID to purchase tickets for films above a certain level of rating, they dont simply refuse to sell tickets at all. Most stores now require the same for games, but based on a faulty system. What we need is less censorship and more intelligence on the part of the lesislators who create the environment that such a game could be legally banned for content in. TJ_Phazerhacki

hmm, now there's a moral dilemia

[QuantumG]

I'm sure no-one put it forward that way for the people at the OFLC. Neither am I completely convinced that such acts of deprevity are immoral (after all, it's just a game folks). As games become more like free form environments is there a requirement that programmers add restrictions to conform to a rating? Maybe rather than har haring about all this classification stuff we should be getting in there and asking the hard questions of people like the OFLC.

Re:hmm, now there's a moral dilemia

[KITT_KATT!*]

It's further complicated by the fact that the OFLC doesn't actually set the censorship guidelines - they enforce the censorship guidelines written by nine state, territory and federal ministers. The OFLC is working quite closely with the game industry trying to get an R rating, but all nine ministers will have to approve the change!

Re:hmm, now there's a moral dilemia

[Dyolf Knip]

Hahaha, that's a great point! How does one rate a game when its level of violence is set not by the programmers but rather by the depravity of the person playing it?

Oh, who cares?

[Anonymous Coward]

GTA3 was crap anyway.

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[Anonymous Coward]

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Now this makes me mad!

[DragonPup]

I'm not even from Australia(though my dog is a Aussie Shepherd), and this makes me mad. GTA3 is such a great game. I am almost mad enough to fly down there, rip some OFLC member out of their car and run over them a few times while leading the cops in a high speed intnercity chase. What? No, video game violance doesn't inspire real violance!

-Henry

Future of videogames

[T3KL3R]

As the technology increases, we're going to see more videogames that present realisit worlds in which we have more and more freedom to do what we wish? Have sex with a prostitute and then killing her is NOT part of the primary gameplay in GTA3. It's simply the result of a game that allows you the freedom to do what you wish instead of confining you to abstract game rules.

I wonder if reality should be banned since I have the ability to have sex with a prostitute and then kill her.

Re:Future of videogames

[Dyolf Knip]

Indeed. A Star Trek holodeck program would be rated X, no matter what it's supposed to be. There's simply too much freedom of action to slap a label on it. In our quest for realistic gaming experiences, we are rapidly approaching a level at which you can do virtually anything you want within the theme of the game. And what will things be like after that?

What about strategy games? Should it be illegal to raze a virtual city and kill its inhabitants, especially when some of them have real-life counterparts? What is the criteria that censors use to say that computer generated violence is unacceptable? Anyone who's played Master of Orion is familiar with sterilizing entire planets, how is that OK but the CG killing of single person (there have been more people killed on TV than exist on planet Earth) is banned? None of it is real anyway.

Re:Future of videogames

[Eric S Raymond]

because destroying a planet, as in star wars, etc.. is somehow supposed to be impersonal; you do not know all those people or ever meet them; yet in this game, you have sex with a prostitute, which by itself could offend some people, but then you kill her, and it is very graphical shown up close in detail.

Re:Future of videogames

[Dyolf Knip]

So as long as I don't fuck her I can kill her and the censors won't mind so much? :)

I see your point, but it's still stupid reasoning. They showed Saving Private Ryan, uncut, on one of the big networks a few weeks back. If someone can explain to me why reinacting hundreds of guys getting turned into hamburger is fine art while the killing of a woman who never actually existed in the first place is worthy of being banned, I'll listen.

simulated rape for fun has what purpose?

[Anonymous Coward]

people use simulated violence for an outlet, what sort of people want the outlet of a simulated rape?

Re:simulated rape for fun has what purpose?

[Grahf]

Ooh, me, me!

Re:simulated rape for fun has what purpose?

[Anonymous Coward]

Try asking the creators of Law & Order. Apparently there are millions of people who want it.

(R) wont help

[QuantumG]

If the content in question is sexually violent, an R rating wont help you in Australia. You would require an X rating (of which I believe only the ACT has on shelf) and you are really opening a pandora's box by going after such a rating. If every possible sequence of game play has to be scrutinized to get a rating (the maximal set of violence if you will) then what happens when we have truely mulible worlds? What happens when we have NPCs in games that can converse with us about any topic we choose (before we shoot them). Not only is it an unanswerable question, it's also an NP-hard problem. I would really like to have some confirmation that the OFLC did indeed refuse classification because of the posibility of certain game play. That's a story.

Interesting history

[Anonymous Coward]

Of course these are the same group of people who initially gave Hannibal a MA+ rating instead of a R rating, until the outcry by anti-censorship people amongst others forced them to change it. The reasoning behind the anti-censorship people going against the decision was that if you were going to have censors you should at least have censors who make consistent, commonsense decisions. Not to mention one of the chief Australian censors went on to start a porno film company....

Aussies Snot CmdrTaco

[George WIPO Bush]

THE OFFICIAL TACO-SNOTTING FAQ By The WIPO Troll, $Revision: 1.12 $

Why have I been receiving emails from CmdrTaco, in which he seems to be speaking in some kind of code language?

Whenever Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda gets bored (and who wouldn't, running a site like Slashdot all day), he roams through the Slashdot database, penis in hand, looking for people who might enjoy engaging in homosexual orgies with him. How he determines this is anyone's guess; but if you have a homosexual-sounding nickname, or a nick with the letter P in it, you're in trouble.

So this time, he found you. Lucky you.

CmdrTaco's code language is relatively easy to decipher. He prefers to speak in thinly-veiled sexual innuendo to evade the watchful (but relatively stupid) eye of Slashdot's parent corporation, VA Software. CmdrTaco's "Commander" is, of course, his penis -- a small, withered little thing that lives in his pants that only comes out in the presence of other men or at the beck and call of CmdrTaco's own right hand. His "Taco bells" are the shriveled testes that droop beneath his Commander, and his "Taco sauce" is his, well, jizz. It should be more than obvious to you now what he means when he asks you to "ring his Taco bells" or "taste his gourmet Taco sauce."

Lastly, there is a practice he refers to as "Taco-snotting" and the more shocking "circle-snot."

Good Lord. What is "Taco-snotting?"

"Taco-snotting" is the term used by CmdrTaco to refer to the practice of sucking the penis of a homosexual man (or unwilling heterosexual; CmdrTaco is rumored to prefer rape), then blowing the semen out his nose onto his partner's (victim's) face and body. A long, bubbly stream of milky-white semen is left on CmdrTaco's face, dribbling out of his nose and down his cheek: hence the term, "Taco-snotting."

A "circle-snot" is a Taco-snotting circle-jerk, another practice common among the Slashdot crew. CmdrTaco, CowboiKneel, and Homos get together and Taco-snot each other with their gooey, sticky cum -- spooging their jizz-snot all over each other's faces and pasty, white bodies, until they're covered head to toe with each other's man juice. This can go on for hours. For the homosexual penetration that follows this lengthy foreplay, Roblowme is usually there to provide plenty of anal lubricant; he owns a limo service and has ample supplies of motor oil and axle grease ready to go.

To complete this perverted orgy, fellow geeks Michael, Timothy, and Jamie will usually join in, dressed in tight leather mock-S.S. uniforms, jack boots, and leather gloves. The whole group then proceeds to snot each other's spunk and whip each other's pudgy asses with riding crops and chains until their pale, white geek bodies are exhausted and soaked in stinking sweat from the hours of passionate, homosexual revelry.

Ewwwwww. So, can I stop receiving these emails?

Hopefully.

You most likely forgot to uncheck the "Willing to Taco-snot" checkbox in your account preferences. CmdrTaco has probably already got the hots for your wad, and he's probably already been lurking outside your bathroom window for weeks with a camera, some tissues and lube. There's no escaping a geek in heat, so it's probably too late for you, but you can possibly rectify this situation. To remove yourself from CmdrTaco's sights, log into your Slashdot account, go to your user page, click on Messages, and uncheck the box next to "Willing to Taco-snot." Maybe he'll ignore you. Probably not.

I can't stop receiving these emails from CmdrTaco!?

If you indulge him in a Taco-snot or two, he might leave you alone. You might also want to look into mail filtering, restraining orders, or purchasing a heavy, blunt object capable of warding off rampaging homosexual geeks in heat. Trust me, when they charge... oh, the humanity. If he gets you, and you let him Taco-snot you, you will most likely end up tied up in his basement to be used as his sex slave for the rest of your life (or until he accidentally drowns you in spunk in a circle-snot).

Have you ever been Taco-Snotted?

Unfortunately, yes. I first met CmdrTaco at an Open Source Convention. He invited me back to his room for a game of Quake and some "gourmet Tacos," but when I got there, he jumped me and tied me to his bed, stripping me. After taking his "Commander" out of his pants, Mr. Taco made me suck the withered thing six times. He then performed his vile Taco-snotting ritual on me three times over the next two hours, bringing me to orgasm after sweaty, mind-numbing orgasm... then he snotted my own milky-white jizz back onto my face, into my mouth, then again on my exposed belly.

CmdrTaco invited several of his Open Source (or rather, "Open Sauce" -- man sauce) buddies over to continue the twisted snotfest. Linux Torvalds raped my ass with his "monolithic kernel," and Anal Cox used his "network stack" in a multitude of unspeakable ways on and in every orifice in my defenseless body. Michael was there in his leather Nazi uniform, caning my ass with a bamboo pole and ranting about "all those Censorware freaks out to get him."

How did you finally escape, you ask? After about 16 hours of countless homosexual atrocities perpetrated against my restrained body, they all finally went to sleep on top of me, sweat-soaked and exhausted. I was left there, covered in bubbly, translucent jizz-snot, chained to the bed, with half a dozen fat, pasty-white fags lying around and on top of me. Fortunately the spooge coating my flesh worked wonderfully as a lubricant; I was able to squirm my way out of the handcuffs and slip out the back door. I'm just glad I survived the ordeal. These geeks had a lot of built-up spunk in their wads -- I could've easily been drowned!

That's horrible. Does "Taco-snotting" have anything to do with CmdrTaco's "special taco"?

No, that's a different disgusting perversion CmdrTaco indulges himself in. CmdrTaco is usually not satisfied with merely snotting your own jizz back onto your face, he most often enjoys involving his own bodily fluids in his twisted games. WeatherTroll has spent some time trying to educate the Slashdot readership about this vile practice (emphasis added):

You may be wondering what CmdrTaco's "special taco" is. You will be wishing that you hadn't been wondering after you finish reading this post. To make his "special taco", CmdrTaco takes a taco shell and shits on it. He then adds lettuce, jacks off on the taco, and adds a compound to make the person who eats the taco unconscious. Of course, the compound does not make the person unconscious until the taco is fully eaten. Thus CmdrTaco force-feeds the taco to the unsuspecting victim.

After the victim is unconscious, he is held against his will and used for CmdrTaco's nefarious sexual purposes. This includes shoving taco shells up the victim's ass, Taco-snotting, and getting Jon Katz involved.

Completely different, yet no less revolting. It should be clear to you now that CmdrTaco is a very, very sick individual, as are most of the Slashdot editors.

Does Jon Katz get involved in any of this? I thought he was a paedophile, not a homosexual.

Actually, Jon Katz is a homosexual paedophile. He's also a coprophiliac, and, many suspect, a zoophile. Jon Katz is somewhat of a loner and doesn't involve himself in circle-snots. Mr. Katz usually engages in a game called " Katz juicy-douching" with his harem of little-boy slaves: a vile practice which involves administering an enema to himself of the little boy's urine (forced out of them with a pair of pliers), spooging the vile muck from his ass back into the enema bag, then squirting and slathering the goo all over himself, and the little boy's chained-up and naked bodies. If he's in the mood, he will sometimes skip refilling the enema bag and just squirt it from his ass onto his boys. Unwilling boys are further tortured with the pliers until they comply and allow Mr. Katz to juicy-douche them for the rest of their lives.

As I already said, Mr. Katz is also a zoophile. As if the sexual escapades with the helpless little boys aren't enough, Jon usually enjoys his juicy-douches best when his penis is firmly planted in a female goat's anus. He is also rumoured to get off on watching his little boys eat the goat's small, bean-like turds.

...Are you getting hard writing this?

Why, yes. :) Join me in a WIPO-snot?

No, thanks. I'm already CmdrTaco's boi toi.

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READER COMMENTS

1. Fucking hilarious too bad it didnt get a 5:Funny (Score:-1, Offtopic)
   by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.02 19:01 (#2644105)
   
   this is good shit man

2. Re:Taco-snotting@Home! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
   by Dark_Cobra87 on 2001.12.01 23:03 (#2642180)
   
   Oops, forgot to check that Taco-snot option...

3. Re:Fuck Linux! Fuck him hard! (Score:-1)
   by Fecal Troll Matter on 2001.12.01 20:55 (#2641791)
   
   Mmmmmmm, Taco Sauce...
   
   Sig (appended to the end of comments you post, 120 chars)

4. Look (Score:-1)
   by ArchieBunker on 2001.12.01 20:19 (#2641679)
   
   I love trolling but this shit is getting old, fast. At least start mixing them up a little bit. How about the 'How OSM was Freed' series?
   http://www.naawp.org/

5. Re:Congratulations! You have been WIPO'd!! (Score:0)
   by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.01 8:37 (#2640602)
   
   Stop posting this! I've got hangover and Taco Snotting doesn't make me feel any better.
   
   I'm really glad that Taco Snotting is illegal here in Europe.

6. Re:Snot me baby, one more time! (Score:0)
   by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.30 1:01 (#2634213)
   
   Get a life you loser! Don't you have anything better to do than insult CmdrTaco and the gay community? We are not perverts, we are human beings just like you. So give it a rest!

7. Re:Hello, perdida!!! Won't you snot my face tonigh (Score:-1)
   by perdida on on 2001.11.27 14:13 (#2618764)
   
   Shut up you asshole.
   
   I am not great, I am merely adequate. I live in adequacy.

8. Go back to Russia. (Score:0)
   by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.26 22:22 (#2616035)
   
   You weiner trool!

9. Re:The Taco-Snotting FAQ Rides Again!! (Updated so (Score:0)
   by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.25 9:14 (#2609574)
   
   try to find a pic of actual "taco-snotting"! fucking funny it would be! so go to gay porn sites day in and day out until you find a man giving another man a blowjob that has jizz coming out of his nose and mouth. by the way, keep up the good work

10. Re:Snotting another first!! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.23 12:18 (#2603370)
    
    WIPO, this is getting waaaay old, either drop it or revise it.... there've been no updates for days now...
    
    CmdrTaco

11. Re:It's Taco SPAM!!! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.22 17:28 (#2600815)
    
    A truly excellent and very humourous troll indeed!
    However...
    
    To complete this perverted orgy, fellow geeks Michael, Timothy, and Jamie often join in, dressed in black Gestapo uniforms, jack boots, and leather gloves.
    
    Black GeStaPo uniforms? The GeStaPo (Geheime Staatspolizei - Secret State Police) wore civilian clothes (although there are reports on them occasionally using Allgemeine SS uniforms in occupied territories).
    
    I seriously doubt that perverted individuals like CmdrTaco et al would have the good taste to ever wear the outstandingly beautiful black Waffen SS uniforms! Please update the FAQ accordingly.
    • Re:It's Taco SPAM!!! (Score:0)
      by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.23 4:06 (#2602610)
      
      Actually, it appears you are both wrong!! Ah ha!! I think our boy WIPO was thinking of the Allgemeine SS uniforms. Waffen SS were grey.

12. Re:Microsoft's Taco-Snotting Connection (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.21 4:49 (#2594325)
    
    oh yeah, you say you have masturbated only 2 times to this post. well, by the time it takes for me to get through reading it, i usually end up masturbated 5 to 6 times, 10 to 12 if i have the goatse.cx homepage loaded up and am looking at it side by side with the slashdot page. my keyboard, hands, mouse, monitor, the underside of my desk and around the floor under my desk are cum soaked and sticky with the man smell i know and love.

13. Re:Microsoft's Taco-Snotting Connection (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.21 4:41 (#2594311)
    
    for version 2 you should make a total re-write of the cod...errr...text and add some details about cmdrtaco and the homo-gang's happenings with their coworkers (osdn?) and all of the gay revelry they enjoy and promote. by the way, did i just see cmdrtaco on television promoting the nax hair removal system? i guess after using vaseline in and around his ass he grew quite a ponytail and it had to be removed somehow...ouch!

14. Re:Microsoft's Taco-Snotting Connection (Score:-1, Troll)
    by TRoLLaXoR on 2001.11.21 3:59 (#2594191)
    
    WIPO, do you notice how few comments you get for anything you write/post/spam nowadays?
    
    -Trollaxor

15. Jon-Katz docking (Score:-1)
    by sales_worldwide on 2001.11.20 11:53 (#2588488)
    
    You forgot to mention Jon Katz's "docking" games, where he places his chopper head to head with another chap, and rolls the other guys foreskin over his own circumcised end ("docking"), providing him with fantasies of actually having his own forskin ...
    "Making linux GPL was the best thing I ever did" - Torvalds. I'd hate to see the worst thing...

16. Re:Snotting a first! (Score:-1)
    by Fucky the troll on 2001.11.20 11:28 (#2588446)
    
    Woah! When did the WIPO troll get freed? And how the fuck did I miss it?
    
    Excellent FP, sir.
    
    This is a sig virus. Please put me in your sig

17. Re:Snotting a first! (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.20 11:04 (#2588407)
    
    omg that is crapflooding material if i ever saw it!!!!!! and u got a first post!!!! whoot to the wipo troll!!!

18. GW, please.... (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.19 9:03 (#2583756)
    
    GW...you know we love every hair on your 27 acre ass... and I, for one, would never do anything untowards your graceful demeanor. And you probably have several friends that would love to help you do the bear dance all over my face if I so much as spelled your name wrong. And you know I'd defend your Constitutional right to defame God in heaven. I'd even help fund your education, should you ever decide to take that route. Hell, I'd buy you a tall tepid bear-whiz beer if you were here with me, right now!
    
    But. ...if you can't find another topic, I'm gonna step over your dead mother's grave and kick your assuredly anesthetitized butt clear across the playground.
    
    Now go stick your shaved head back down inside the woman's toilet, and just to show there's no hard feelings, I'll jump in the tow-truck and drive right over to help you pull it right out...ok?
    
    thanks

19. Re:Help me Taco-Snotters!! (Score:-1)
    by mark knopfler 69 on 2001.11.19 8:25 (#2583695)
    
    I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU SIR. FOR ONE THING, THE E-MAIL FROM CMDRTACO DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH GRAMMATICAL AND SPELLING MISTAKES. Let's be realistic here, CmdrTaco usually types with one hand, and since he is shaking from jacking off his aim on the keyboard isn't too good. Those e-mails were a little too well written. Sorry boy, you'll have to do better.

20. Re: What the hell is "taco snotting"? (Score:-1)
    by WeatherTroll on 2001.11.19 8:14 (#2583667)
    
    You should update this to say VA Software instead of VA Linux.

21. YOU ARE WINNER (Score:1)
    by smackmonkey on 2001.11.19 7:06 (#2583510)
    
    Crackhead moderators: this is +5, Hilarious material.
    
    --
    CNN declares War on Islam!
    Left-wing America declares War on its Civil Liberties!

22. Re:On Taco-Snotting 1.9 (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.19 5:40 (#2583336)
    
    This was funny the first 100 times. Now it is getting boring!

23. Digusting and Shameful (Score:-1)
    by egg troll on 2001.11.18 22:27 (#2582054)
    
    Having masturbated *twice* to this post, I'm still incredibly aroused! Come over for a Taco Snot. I'll be wearing my crotchless Clifford the Big Red Dog outfit!!
    
    For more info check out this /. article

24. IMPROVE THE FAQ (Score:-1, Flamebait)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.18 12:03 (#2580822)
    
    add more links to goatse and to cowboineal's site to make it better. a link to rotten.com would be nice too
    • Re:IMPROVE THE FAQ (Score:0)
      by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.18 12:18 (#2580832)
      
      and a link to michael's site and to jon katz's site if he has one and homo's site. i dont know what else to say. maybe a few links to phallic.org they have nice penis pictures! a link to the planet quake site or whatever. really make the reader feel this faq really answers their questions. oh yeah, and when you talk about cmdrtaco snotting you, say he brought you to "orgasm after sweaty orgasm". describe it more is all i'm saying. and use more italics and bolding! and when you talk about jon katz shitting or whatever have a link to fecal japan on rotten.com
      
      other wise a great job wipo troll! keep up the good work!

25. Re:CmdrTaco's filthy secret! (Score:-1)
    by Wil Wheaton on 2001.11.18 6:41 (#2580438)
    
    Hi. Let's be buddies.. butt buddies.
    --
    WIL WHEATON DOT NET

26. WIPO speaks the truth (Score:-1)
    by dead_puppy on 2001.11.18 5:33 (#2580342)
    
    Here is an e-mail I received a week ago:
    
    From: malda@slashdot.org
    To: puppy_dead@hotmail.com
    Subject: were where you last friday? :(
    
    I thought we where supposed to meet at Backdoor's at 8-ish, sugar-lips? You could've at least told me that you could'nt make it! I was even in my favorite pink skirt for you, honey-cup... next time, you could be more considarite and tell me you cant come... bastard.
    
    --
    CmdrTaco (malda@slashdot.org)
    
    You finding Ling-Ling's head?

27. Taco snotting is WRONG!!! (Score:-1)
    by Big_Ass_Spork on 2001.11.18 4:53 (#2580300)
    
    I do it wrong
    
    Laying here in the shadows of my room, I squint up at my love. My Ms. Portman. I am sore and tired after fucking her for eight solid hours. My chapped and aching dick is soaking in grits to relieve the pain. She gets on her knees and starts lapping the grits up out of the bowl. She places her beautiful hands on my penis and starts to lick the grits off my achy piece.
    
    Massaging my nutsack she....
    
    WAIT, I DO IT WRONG!!!!
    
    Yanking my dick out of her mouth I throw her to the ground and shove it in to her gaping freshly fisted ass. [goatse.cx]
    
    "OH BIG ASS SPORK!! Fuck my ass, fuck my ass good. DEEPER, my stallion, deeper!! Make a Beowulf cluster of sperm on my back!!"
    
    "Imagine a Beowulf cluster of this baby!"
    
    I DO IT WRONG!!!!
    
    ---
    All your Sporks are belong to Big_Ass_Spork! What you say?! All your Sporks are belo... forget it...

28. Rob Malda Dead at age 25! (Score:-1)
    by j0nkatz on 2001.11.17 22:54 (#2579596)
    
    I just heard some sad news on the radio -- famous queerbait Rob Malda was found dead in his Holland home this morning. The details were a bit hazy, but it seems that he drowned in jizz while Taco Snotting his friend Hemos. I'm sure everyone in the /. community will miss him -- even if you didn't enjoy his queer antics and boring ass website, there's no denying his contributions to the homosesual cultural development, particularly in the areas of Taco snotting. Truly an American icon.
    
    I wanna Open Source sex so it won't be worth a shit either.

29. TACO-SNOTTING is really Donkey-Punching (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.15 6:38 (#2567601)
    
    No no no, the correct term for that is "donkey-punch". I have eye-witnessed this amazing eye-popping event demonstrated on unsuspecting hose-monsters by my frat brothers in the past.. . :-)

30. Re:the effect of knowlege laws... (Score:1)
    by AbsoluteRelativity on 2001.11.15 5:31 (#2567457)
    
    The WIPO Troll
    Slashdot and the Karma Lottery - News for uber monkeys, by uber monkeys.

31. Re:Taco-Snotting (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.13 9:27 (#2557632)
    
    Oh, man that's just sick !

32. HOW DO I GET AN ANONYMOUS PROXY? (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.13 9:03 (#2557604)
    
    TELL ME WHERE I CAN GET AN ANONYMOUS proxy please WIPO Troll. Maybe later i will join you in a snotting at my place. ;P

33. Re:Taco-Snottage!?!?!? (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by vikool on 2001.11.13 7:43 (#2557495)
    
    what is this bull shit,i feel offened that some people feel so so senseless to post stuff like these esp when such a tragic incident has occured

34. Re:Taco-felching!! (Score:-1)
    by I.T.R.A.R.K. on 2001.11.11 22:38 (#2551890)
    
    Where the fuck do I sign up?!
    
    - I throw rocks at retarded kids
    
    "Adequacy.org: Where congenital stupidity is not an option, but a requirement."

35. Re:Taco-felching!! (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 21:53 (#2551753)
    
    this shit is hilarious..keep up the good work.

36. Re:Taco-felching!! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by rockwood on 2001.11.11 21:49 (#2551746)
    
    OMG! That is the most disgusting thing I have ever heard! WHo in their right mind would sit down and waste the time to construct such a replusive story. I guess I'll be skipping lunch and dinner today.. and possibly tomorrow also. The game doesn't affect reality. Reality affects the game.

37. Re:Ban this! It's disgusting!! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 14:43 (#2550701)
    
    dude, this is crap-flood material if i ever saw it.
    duuuuuuuuudddddddddddddeeeeeeeee.

38. Re:Taco-Snotting = HATE SPEECH (Score:-1, Flamebait)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 8:16 (#2550266)
    
    horny_rob_6969@hotmail.com
    
    Ah, so that's what the alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.horny-rob newsgroup is about!

39. MOD THIS UP PLEASE!!! (Score:-1)
    by egg troll on 2001.11.11 5:34 (#2550024)
    
    +5, Arousing
    
    For more info check out this /. article

40. Re:Taco-Snotting = HATE SPEECH (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 4:39 (#2549891)
    
    WINNER>

41. Re:Taco-Snotting = HATE SPEECH (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 4:37 (#2549887)
    
    I love you. Why do you use your bitchslapped account, rather than signing up for a new account to post at +1 before getting bitchslapped by the censors here? I guess I should speak for myself, but I don't want to log out and lose all my slashdot customization properties, nor do I want to lose my 50 karma yet.

42. Re:On Taco-Snotting (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.09 9:19 (#2542412)
    
    you fucking rock! right down to the expanded cvs id!
    
    WIPO trolls > linux

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Or...

[crumbz]

... if you live in Australia, just order the game from someone off of eBay in another country. Do they look through every fucking box that comes into the country? Banned schmannned. They can only ban it if you let them.

Of course, the Aussies gave up their guns so I dunno.

Re:Or...

[Anonymous Coward]

You say it like giving up our guns was a bad thing ...
Anyone who has an actual need for a gun (eg farmers) can still own one, anyone with the urge to fire a gun can still go to a firing range, and everyone else can walk down the street without fear of being gunned down by a mainiac. And your problem with this is?
[and if you seriously believe that a gun in the home is more likely to kill an intruder than a family member, or might be a handy way of fending of an oppressive government ... then you probably shouldn't have a gun in the first place]

Re:Or...

[Skiboo]

"just order the game from someone off of eBay in another country."

That's all well and good, but I live in Australia, and know all too well the pain of the PAL system (as does the most anyone in the UK [I think] and a few other countries).

Now that they have dvd players that only play a dvd from a particular zone, it's only a matter of time before you won't be able to get this sort of thing here without modding your sony (which they have already made illegal in my state, but there's a loophole and it can still be done legally).

Given time, they'll probably be bringing decent games over on the ships with the drugs.

Front page?

[DarkZero]

Is there any way this story could get bumped up to the front page? Is there a system for that? Because personally, I think this is incredibly interesting, especially in the comments. This story brings up a deep and interesting question: In GTA, you can choose to be fairly good (ambulance, taxi, police officer) or incredibly evil (fucking and murdering prostitutes, doing drug runs, stealing cars). That's the nature of an extremely open game world where you can do almost anything. So if Australia's going to start banning games for what you CAN do instead of what you must do, will MMORPGs be banned for "sexually explicit dialogue" because people can talk dirty to each other in them? Will gaming worlds that are becoming increasingly more open have to restrict themselves in some areas to avoid being banned, thus cheapening the reality of the game in the internationally released version?

These questions are very important for the future of gaming, i.e. incredibly open and diverse gaming worlds.

As an Aussie I just gotta say...

[robin999]

The current world trend to the political right affects US and Australian citizens in much the same way.

It isn't the person in the street asking for more censorship, but those in power making the most of their time to impose conservative values on the rest of us!

In Australia it was the Port Arthur massacre that was used by the conservative government to ban firearms nation wide, just as in the States it was Sept 11 used to push through a range of restrictive legislation.

Do we get the governments we deserve? I dunno, these are complicated issues, but keeping a balance between the right and the left requires that we use our voices while we still can, etc etc.

I don't want my kids to have the sort of violence described above shoved down their terminals, but at the same time I want them to be empowered to explore whatever virtual realities their minds are capable of ... and I trust in their inherent good natures and a positive home environment to help them ignore the nasties and benefit from the positives that on-line life has to offer.

Censorship sucks, Put some faith in human intelligence to make the right decision. Removing the ability to choose results in atrophied thinking apparatus. That is why the right wingers are ultimately working against the values they claim to uphold!

Re:As an Aussie I just gotta say...

[MisterBlister]

It isn't the person in the street asking for more censorship, but those in power making the most of their time to impose conservative values on the rest of us!

As an American I have to say you might be surprised at how many people on the street here ARE asking for more censorship. Many people here in the USA, particularly parents who don't want to take responsibility for what their kids do, do ASK for more and more censorship.

The politicians certainly don't help matters, but unfortunately they actually do represent what seems to be an unfortunate majority of the American public.

Re:As an Aussie I just gotta say...

[Anonymous Coward]

Well, in the US, it was what is considered the 'left wing' (Tipper Gore and Joe Lieberman) who got the warning labels/rating systems put into place. And it is most certainly the 'right wing' opposing further restrictions on the peoples right to keep and bear arms.

Typical Australian Liberal Government Policy

[Self Bias Resistor]

This move to "reclassify" (ie. censor) a whole stack of games right before Christmas, when demand for such games is at its highest, reaks of not only ignorance but a certain sense of mean-spiritedness. And this isn't the first time that the Australian government has tried to ban games it didn't like. First up was an FMV-driven graphical adventure by the name of Phantasmagoria because it contained very violent scenes and was thought to have contained a possible scene of sexual violence. Next in the firing line was Carmageddon, which the government attempted to ban on the laughable premise that it would encourage people to run each other over (interestingly enough, the sequel, which contained more realistic graphics than the first, passed through without dissent). The game Postal also came into the firing line, although I'm not sure if it was banned or not (I think it was). What strikes me as even more odd this time around is that the first two GTA games passed through practically untouched, while this game was allowed to be released and is now being recalled right before the busy and lucrative Christmas holiday period. Furthermore, the basis on which the game is being banned ("sexual violence") is extremely tenuous because the act of killing a prostitute after (and not before or during) sex shouldn't qualify as sexual violence. The term "sexual violence" refers to violence that is being committed during the act of sex (eg. rape or killing someone during sex), which is not the case here. Yes, the game does allow you to kill a prostitute after you have sex with her, but the two acts as described are not mutually exclusive (ie. you can do one or the other as well as both) and are not necessary to win or advance in the game itself. Yes, the possibility of committing the described acts may offend your sensibilities but you do have the democratic freedom in this country to not perform the acts in-game or, even better, not buy the game altogether. This recent move to remove all the games from stores effectively removes that democratic freedom. Controlling what you see, do, read, write and say should be your responisibility and not that of your government. Same goes for parents with children. If you continue to abdicate such a right (this responsibility is also one of the fundamental democractic rights of my nation, Australia) to government then you lose the right to complain when things don't go the way you want them to or when the government starts to take more than they're entitled to.

The reason for all this madness when it comes to the classification of video is that the Liberal government (which has just won its thoroughly undeserved second term by successfully tapping into the nation's xenophobic tendancies over the Tampa incident and illegal immigrants in general) is notoriously conservative and ignorant when it comes to matters of new technology. For instance, they banned online gambing in Australia, effectively giving the world market a huge headstart, because a moratorium was needed to "assess the risks of online gambing" when in reality the government had allowed, even promoted, the installation of poker machines in pubs and clubs with willful ignorance of the social consequences. They also tried to remove "offensive content" from the Internet (ie. net censorship), which merely made it hell for companies to host content locally for fear of being shut down by an anonymous person who was offended and forced ISPs to do the technically impossible and monitor their services for such "offensive content" (a term which was not even properly defined and hence gave the bill a DMCA-like level of scope). However, this bill was necessary to gain the support of Independent senator Brian Harradine, whose vote was needed to swing the balance of power towards the government so the "wonderful" GST could be passed (which the government screwed up in spectacular fashion by creating mountains of red tape through increased business paperwork and "exceptions" fiascos, when they would have been better off by taxing everything and giving income tax cuts). So what starts out as beeing a possibly good idea becomes a complete pain in the ass. Furthermore, the little surplus (which was collected by slashing budgets across the board, especially in the areas of health, R & D, the arts, science and education - now university costs a packet and we're behind in pretty much everything), often derisively called the "election battle chest", was used to offer all kinds of expensive gifts to the electorate to lure their votes in the election. Now that they've spent it, the only way they can get more money to actually do something useful is to raise taxes or cut spending (usually the latter). Wonderful.

So as you can see, this kind of inconsistent, ignorant, poorly-implemented crap, I mean policies, (ironically the only consistency in government policy is it has all these properties) happens all the time. The sad part is we're used to it, even expecting it to happen.

Re:Typical Australian Liberal Government Policy

[raenaraena]

Furthermore, the basis on which the game is being banned ("sexual violence") is extremely tenuous because the act of killing a prostitute after (and not before or during) sex shouldn't qualify as sexual violence.

I disagree. I feel that the whole concept of sexual and physical ownership that is tied in with hiring a prostitute does, in fact, come with a certain amount of responsibility for any violence that comes after. I would find it hard to separate the violent act from the immediately preceding one.

All that said, the 'Liberal' government can frankly go and shove it.

Re:Typical Australian Liberal Government Policy

[AutumnLeaf]

I played phantasmagoria, and quike frankly the quasi-rape scene shocked me. Do I think it should have been censored? Not really. Did I consider it "fun" and "entertainment?" Hell no.

Re:Typical Australian Liberal Government Policy

[EvlPenguin]

Indeed. The first Phantasmagoria was much more violent than the second (though the second was a better game). However the thing that drew me to the point of gagging in the first one was the little FMV you saw when you looked in the mirror in the dining room (on the 7th or 6th disc I believe). That seriously disturbed me (for those who have not seen it, it involved a guy strapping his wife to a wooden platform which held her mouth open, at which point he put a funnel in her mouth and kept force-feeding her various raw, bloody body parts until she sufficated). Yeah, it was sickening, but I'd rather be forced to test my gag reflex than be censored.

Re:Naive

[layingMantis]

borderline parents who buy games for their kids if the parent is asked for an I.D. at the register.

What fucking world do you live in, Mr. Roger's neighborhood? What self-respecting little kid depends on their Mom to procure all their games? If they have a damn PS2 in the first place they are probably savvy enough to find the games of their choosing. Your argument is not only self-righteous, but naive to the point of uselessness.

This is simply not true

[Anonymous Coward]

I walked into my local 'Games R Us' store picked up a copy and brought. There were huge displays and lots of copies of the game. So how this story got publised is beyond me. But it is not true.

exactly

[Purificator]

this speaks mostly for the US and its concept of "free speech," but the general idea applies in countries that protect speech thus:

- you can't defend yourself from a slander or libel charge claiming "free speech"
- you can't defend yourself from inciting a riot claiming "free speech" (http://www.spectacle.org/freespch/bomb.html).

the idea is that if your speech is doing or advocating damage it's not protected.

the next question is whether a game is speech, art, or a product (like a pen or a sponge). i don't think most governments have figured that out yet.

and...

[Anonymous Coward]

...and if you seriously believe that a gun in the home is more likely to kill an intruder than a family member...

Yeah, and guns have minds of their own. Did you know that they can grow legs and shoot themselves off without any prior provocation by the owner? I hear that guns' favorite targets are family members. Yes, it's true, it's true...

killing a porsitute after having sex with her?

[Anonymous Coward]

not allowed in a movie you say?

I'm gona point you in the direction of the film "Seven" with Brad Pitt, Morgan Freeman and Kevin spacey.

kevin Spacey gets a very weird sexual tool built with a blade inserted. he then forces a man to use that on a prostitute therefor killing her in the act of sex, to complete his murder for the deadly sin of Lust.

it's close enough to illustrate my point that there is MORE than enough violence on TV that GTA3 isn't overly out of place in its violent nature.

Society has been trying to blame violent video games for violence in children for years... nothing new there.