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FreeBSD Foundation Announces Java License for Free

nt2UNIX writes: "There is an article on Daily Daemon News that the FreeBSD Foundation has announced the inclusion of a FreeBSD native SUN Java SDK and RunTime Environment for the January 2002 release of FreeBSD 4.5 The whole announcement can be found here."

137 comments

  1. Say hello! by Klerck · · Score: -1

    It's back!

    * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g g o / \ \ / \ o a \ a t `. : t s` \ s e \ / / \\\ -- \\ : e x \ \/ --~~ ~-- \ x * \ \-~ ~-\ * g \ \ .--------.___\ g o \ \// ((> \ o a \ . C ) ((> / a t /\ C )/ \ (> / t s / /\ C) (> / \ s e ( C__)\___/ // _/ / \ e x \ \\// (/ x * \ \) `---- --' * g \ \ / / g o / \ o a / \ \ a t / / \ t s / / \/\/ s e / e x x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x *

    1. Re:Say hello! by Anonymous+Pancake · · Score: -1, Troll

      Klerck you are the lamest fuckwad to ever post on this site. Try writing a real troll instead of posting you page lenghthener crap

    2. Re:Say hello! by Klerck · · Score: -1

      Thank you! I enjoy doing this. Have some ascii goatse.cx!

      * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g g o / \ \ / \ o a \ a t `. : t s` \ s e \ / / \\\ -- \\ : e x \ \/ --~~ ~-- \ x * \ \-~ ~-\ * g \ \ .--------.___\ g o \ \// ((> \ o a \ . C ) ((> / a t /\ C )/ \ (> / t s / /\ C) (> / \ s e ( C__)\___/ // _/ / \ e x \ \\// (/ x * \ \) `---- --' * g \ \ / / g o / \ o a / \ \ a t / / \ t s / / \/\/ s e / e x x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x *

  2. ascii goatse by iamklerck · · Score: -1

    * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g g o / \ \ / \ o a \ a t `. : t s` \ s e \ / / \\\ -- \\ : e x \ \/ --~~ ~-- \ x * \ \-~ ~-\ * g \ \ .--------.___\ g o \ \// ((> \ o a \ . C ) ((> / a t /\ C )/ \ (> / t s / /\ C) (> / \ s e ( C__)\___/ // _/ / \ e x \ \\// (/ x * \ \) `---- --' * g \ \ / / g o / \ o a / \ \ a t / / \ t s / / \/\/ s e / e x x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x *

    1. Re:ascii goatse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      Openly Gay Troll, you are indeed a fucking fag. At least keep your disgusting, un-Christian practices in private, or in morally bankrupt cities like San Francisco, so good, religious people do not have to think about them.

      Thank you,

      Homophobe Troll.

    2. Re:ascii goatse by Openly+Gay+Troll · · Score: -1, Troll

      * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g g o / \ \ / \ o a \ a t `. : t s` \ s e \ / / \\\ -- \\ : e x \ \/ --~~ ~-- \ x * \ \-~ ~-\ * g \ \ .--------.___\ g o \ \// ((> \ o a \ . C ) ((> / a t /\ C )/ \ (> / t s / /\ C) (> / \ s e ( C__)\___/ // _/ / \ e x \ \\// (/ x * \ \) `---- --' * g \ \ / / g o / \ o a / \ \ a t / / \ t s / / \/\/ s e / e x x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x *

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  3. ascii goatse by Openly+Gay+Troll · · Score: -1, Troll

    * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g g o / \ \ / \ o a \ a t `. : t s` \ s e \ / / \\\ -- \\ : e x \ \/ --~~ ~-- \ x * \ \-~ ~-\ * g \ \ .--------.___\ g o \ \// ((> \ o a \ . C ) ((> / a t /\ C )/ \ (> / t s / /\ C) (> / \ s e ( C__)\___/ // _/ / \ e x \ \\// (/ x * \ \) `---- --' * g \ \ / / g o / \ o a / \ \ a t / / \ t s / / \/\/ s e / e x x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x *

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  4. ascii goatse by Gay+Linux+Conspiracy · · Score: -1

    * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g g o / \ \ / \ o a \ a t `. : t s` \ s e \ / / \\\ -- \\ : e x \ \/ --~~ ~-- \ x * \ \-~ ~-\ * g \ \ .--------.___\ g o \ \// ((> \ o a \ . C ) ((> / a t /\ C )/ \ (> / t s / /\ C) (> / \ s e ( C__)\___/ // _/ / \ e x \ \\// (/ x * \ \) `---- --' * g \ \ / / g o / \ o a / \ \ a t / / \ t s / / \/\/ s e / e x x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x *

  5. ascii goatse by Page+Widener · · Score: -1, Troll

    * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g g o / \ \ / \ o a \ a t `. : t s` \ s e \ / / \\\ -- \\ : e x \ \/ --~~ ~-- \ x * \ \-~ ~-\ * g \ \ .--------.___\ g o \ \// ((> \ o a \ . C ) ((> / a t /\ C )/ \ (> / t s / /\ C) (> / \ s e ( C__)\___/ // _/ / \ e x \ \\// (/ x * \ \) `---- --' * g \ \ / / g o / \ o a / \ \ a t / / \ t s / / \/\/ s e / e x x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x *

  6. ascii goatse by iamklerck · · Score: -1

    * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g g o / \ \ / \ o a \ a t `. : t s` \ s e \ / / \\\ -- \\ : e x \ \/ --~~ ~-- \ x * \ \-~ ~-\ * g \ \ .--------.___\ g o \ \// ((> \ o a \ . C ) ((> / a t /\ C )/ \ (> / t s / /\ C) (> / \ s e ( C__)\___/ // _/ / \ e x \ \\// (/ x * \ \) `---- --' * g \ \ / / g o / \ o a / \ \ a t / / \ t s / / \/\/ s e / e x x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x *

  7. ascii goatse by Gay+Linux+Conspiracy · · Score: -1

    * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g g o / \ \ / \ o a \ a t `. : t s` \ s e \ / / \\\ -- \\ : e x \ \/ --~~ ~-- \ x * \ \-~ ~-\ * g \ \ .--------.___\ g o \ \// ((> \ o a \ . C ) ((> / a t /\ C )/ \ (> / t s / /\ C) (> / \ s e ( C__)\___/ // _/ / \ e x \ \\// (/ x * \ \) `---- --' * g \ \ / / g o / \ o a / \ \ a t / / \ t s / / \/\/ s e / e x x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x *

  8. More reason to take *NIX over Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft drops Java support, FreeBSD adds the SDK. I love it!

    --
    Chris Lambert

    1. Re:More reason to take *NIX over Windows by Klerck · · Score: -1

      * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g g o / \ \ / \ o a \ a t `. : t s` \ s e \ / / \\\ -- \\ : e x \ \/ --~~ ~-- \ x * \ \-~ ~-\ * g \ \ .--------.___\ g o \ \// ((> \ o a \ . C ) ((> / a t /\ C )/ \ (> / t s / /\ C) (> / \ s e ( C__)\___/ // _/ / \ e x \ \\// (/ x * \ \) `---- --' * g \ \ / / g o / \ o a / \ \ a t / / \ t s / / \/\/ s e / e x x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x *

    2. Re:More reason to take *NIX over Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that Microsoft supports both Java and J#. Nice try, though.

  9. can i... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    can i be 1st post?:)

    1. Re:can i... by Klerck · · Score: -1

      * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g g o / \ \ / \ o a \ a t `. : t s` \ s e \ / / \\\ -- \\ : e x \ \/ --~~ ~-- \ x * \ \-~ ~-\ * g \ \ .--------.___\ g o \ \// ((> \ o a \ . C ) ((> / a t /\ C )/ \ (> / t s / /\ C) (> / \ s e ( C__)\___/ // _/ / \ e x \ \\// (/ x * \ \) `---- --' * g \ \ / / g o / \ o a / \ \ a t / / \ t s / / \/\/ s e / e x x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x *

  10. WOW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The FreeBSD Foundation relies solely on contributions from individuals and businesses to fund its activities. In negotiating the JDK/JRE license, where both parties were in almost immediate agreement to the license terms, the Foundation still spent in excess of $3000 on legal fees. Highly qualified and experienced legal counsel is the expensive yet necessary cost of protecting the best interests of the FreeBSD Project.

    1. Re:WOW by iamklerck · · Score: -1

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      s / /\ C) (> / \ s
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      * \ \) `---- --' *
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    2. Re:WOW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

      these people need to get real jobs instead of complaining about how some things cost money.

      berkely hippies can suck my cock - if they can even recognize a cock when they are tripping on so much fucking acid.

    3. Re:WOW by iamklerck · · Score: -1

      * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g g o / \ \ / \ o a \ a t `. : t s` \ s e \ / / \\\ -- \\ : e x \ \/ --~~ ~-- \ x * \ \-~ ~-\ * g \ \ .--------.___\ g o \ \// ((> \ o a \ . C ) ((> / a t /\ C )/ \ (> / t s / /\ C) (> / \ s e ( C__)\___/ // _/ / \ e x \ \\// (/ x * \ \) `---- --' * g \ \ / / g o / \ o a / \ \ a t / / \ t s / / \/\/ s e / e x x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x *

    4. Re:WOW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      You messed that one up.

  11. *BSD: It's dead, Jim. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Now official, Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying

    Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when recently IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

    You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

    Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

    All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

    Fact: *BSD is dead

    1. Re:*BSD: It's dead, Jim. by Gay+Linux+Conspiracy · · Score: -1

      * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g g o / \ \ / \ o a \ a t `. : t s` \ s e \ / / \\\ -- \\ : e x \ \/ --~~ ~-- \ x * \ \-~ ~-\ * g \ \ .--------.___\ g o \ \// ((> \ o a \ . C ) ((> / a t /\ C )/ \ (> / t s / /\ C) (> / \ s e ( C__)\___/ // _/ / \ e x \ \\// (/ x * \ \) `---- --' * g \ \ / / g o / \ o a / \ \ a t / / \ t s / / \/\/ s e / e x x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x *

  12. Too bad the licensing blew it by freebsd+guy · · Score: 5, Interesting
    As a former FreeBSD committer, I worked extensively with the team that produced the JRE/JDK project. Since programming languages can only be protected by patents (not copyrights), our original intention was to craft a clean-room version of Java that we could release under the BSD license, just like everything else in our distribution. Unfortunately, manpower was tight, and we were not able to do it all on our own. Hence, we discussed the matter with Sun and (IMHO) compromised our principles (unrestricted distribution in source and binary forms) in order to get the project done.

    Our experience should serve as an important lesson to open source developers who try to tackle too large a project by themselves: do not sell your soul to Corporate America. Sure, we have a native JRE/JDK, but the only advantage is that it is native - not Free in any stretch of the imagination. (Not even restricted-Free, e.g. GPL).

    All that aside, I have been testing several snapshots of the Java tools and they are very responsive and stable. More so, I am afraid, than Blackdown - although the ultimate test will be to see how it compares with the JRE running on a Solaris/SPARC machine.

    freebsd guy

    1. Re:Too bad the licensing blew it by Klerck · · Score: -1

      * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g g o / \ \ / \ o a \ a t `. : t s` \ s e \ / / \\\ -- \\ : e x \ \/ --~~ ~-- \ x * \ \-~ ~-\ * g \ \ .--------.___\ g o \ \// ((> \ o a \ . C ) ((> / a t /\ C )/ \ (> / t s / /\ C) (> / \ s e ( C__)\___/ // _/ / \ e x \ \\// (/ x * \ \) `---- --' * g \ \ / / g o / \ o a / \ \ a t / / \ t s / / \/\/ s e / e x x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x *

    2. Re:Too bad the licensing blew it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
      You know that saying, after WW2, where the English weren't supposed to mention the war to Germans as it'd just cause a needless ruckus?

      Don't mention the licensing.

    3. Re:Too bad the licensing blew it by Klerck · · Score: -1

      * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g g o / \ \ / \ o a \ a t `. : t s` \ s e \ / / \\\ -- \\ : e x \ \/ --~~ ~-- \ x * \ \-~ ~-\ * g \ \ .--------.___\ g o \ \// ((> \ o a \ . C ) ((> / a t /\ C )/ \ (> / t s / /\ C) (> / \ s e ( C__)\___/ // _/ / \ e x \ \\// (/ x * \ \) `---- --' * g \ \ / / g o / \ o a / \ \ a t / / \ t s / / \/\/ s e / e x x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x *

    4. Re:Too bad the licensing blew it by Metrol · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hence, we discussed the matter with Sun and (IMHO) compromised our principles (unrestricted distribution in source and binary forms) in order to get the project done.

      Certainly a fully open and free version of Java would have been preferrable and all. Even still, is this really that much different then having the Netscape 4.x browser included? For years this has gone along with both Linux and FreeBSD to provide what the community couldn't, a functioning browser.

      Just because Netscape provided a browser didn't mean that work wasn't done to produce a more open product. The folks over at KDE stepped up to the plate and knocked one outta the park with Konqueror. And of course we now have Mozilla going pretty nicely. Two great apps displacing the closed source version that preceded it.

      All I'm getting at here is that Sun need not displace any and all efforts that might look to go into a JVM for FreeBSD. Maybe it fills the role needed for a couple of years until interest in doing a fresh version as you described gets enough going to actually make it happen.

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    5. Re:Too bad the licensing blew it by Rogain · · Score: 1

      On my UltraSparcII300's the sun JRE sucks-ass.

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    6. Re:Too bad the licensing blew it by philg · · Score: 2

      "Certainly a fully open and free version of Java would have been preferrable and all. Even still, is this really that much different then having the Netscape 4.x browser included? For years this has gone along with both Linux and FreeBSD to provide what the community couldn't, a functioning browser."

      Unfortunately, yes, it is a bigger deal than Netscape, because Java, unlike Netscape, is used to build other applications. Should the licensing change or Java should go away, a host of other apps go with it.

      As a Java developer, I'm very impressed with the language, and have so far been pretty happy with Sun's performance as a steward. But I would like it if the language and libraries had a cleanroom-free implementation. Hopefully, though, you'll be right and Kaffe and GNU Classpath (or something) will eventually bring a stable, up-to-date, Free Java.

      phil

    7. Re:Too bad the licensing blew it by mvw · · Score: 2
      As a former FreeBSD committer, I worked extensively with the team that produced the JRE/JDK project. Since programming languages can only be protected by patents (not copyrights), our original intention was to craft a clean-room version of Java that we could release under the BSD license, just like everything else in our distribution.

      But Java isn't just a programming language. When we talk about Java, this includes a decent VM, the huge libraries plus a couple of tools that need to be provided.

      The naked Java isn't very attractive. It would look similiar to what the GCC java offers.

      Alone implementing the standard libs, plus AWT and SWING from scratch would have been a huge task.

      Ok, now there will be "blessed" version of Java, will this hinder any effort to create a 100% free version (any legal hook in the Sun community license?).

      Regards,
      Marc

  13. This is nice by metlin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since Microsoft is slowly trying to push third party development applications away from it's platform (apparently to make way for .NET), this is a good sign.

    I'm not a big fan of Java, but if there are enough number of viable platforms for development, I'm sure attention could be shifted from the Win* platform to other unices.

    FreeBSD is a very stable and robust platform, but to what extent has it managed to penetrate the existing MS market? Apparently Linux seems to be doing this, and the reason is not anything else, except support for existing applications.

    I'd like to see where this takes the FreeBSD marketshare.

    1. Re:This is nice by Gay+Linux+Conspiracy · · Score: -1

      * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g g o / \ \ / \ o a \ a t `. : t s` \ s e \ / / \\\ -- \\ : e x \ \/ --~~ ~-- \ x * \ \-~ ~-\ * g \ \ .--------.___\ g o \ \// ((> \ o a \ . C ) ((> / a t /\ C )/ \ (> / t s / /\ C) (> / \ s e ( C__)\___/ // _/ / \ e x \ \\// (/ x * \ \) `---- --' * g \ \ / / g o / \ o a / \ \ a t / / \ t s / / \/\/ s e / e x x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x *

    2. Re:This is nice by Stary · · Score: 1
      I'm sure attention could be shifted from the Win* platform to other unices.

      Win* == Unix? Wow, how misinformed can you be...?

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      Tomorrow will be cancelled due to lack of interest
    3. Re:This is nice by Tony-A · · Score: 1

      Other unices.
      Other than Solaris, (also by Sun).
      ... shifted from the Win* platform to other (non-Solaris) unices.

      He threw you a curve. You missed.

  14. *BSD is dying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    Netcraft officially confirms: *BSD is dying

    Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when recently IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Comng on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

    You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

    Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

    All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

    Fact: *BSD is dead

    1. Re:*BSD is dying by Openly+Gay+Troll · · Score: -1, Troll

      * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g g o / \ \ / \ o a \ a t `. : t s` \ s e \ / / \\\ -- \\ : e x \ \/ --~~ ~-- \ x * \ \-~ ~-\ * g \ \ .--------.___\ g o \ \// ((> \ o a \ . C ) ((> / a t /\ C )/ \ (> / t s / /\ C) (> / \ s e ( C__)\___/ // _/ / \ e x \ \\// (/ x * \ \) `---- --' * g \ \ / / g o / \ o a / \ \ a t / / \ t s / / \/\/ s e / e x x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x *

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    2. Re:*BSD is dying by Klerck · · Score: -1

      * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g g o / \ \ / \ o a \ a t `. : t s` \ s e \ / / \\\ -- \\ : e x \ \/ --~~ ~-- \ x * \ \-~ ~-\ * g \ \ .--------.___\ g o \ \// ((> \ o a \ . C ) ((> / a t /\ C )/ \ (> / t s / /\ C) (> / \ s e ( C__)\___/ // _/ / \ e x \ \\// (/ x * \ \) `---- --' * g \ \ / / g o / \ o a / \ \ a t / / \ t s / / \/\/ s e / e x x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x *

  15. Is it just me, or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Or does the goat sex0r's balls hang lower w/each post? Gravity effect? Or just a guy drawing what he sees in the mirror?

    1. Re:Is it just me, or... by iamklerck · · Score: -1

      * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g g o / \ \ / \ o a \ a t `. : t s` \ s e \ / / \\\ -- \\ : e x \ \/ --~~ ~-- \ x * \ \-~ ~-\ * g \ \ .--------.___\ g o \ \// ((> \ o a \ . C ) ((> / a t /\ C )/ \ (> / t s / /\ C) (> / \ s e ( C__)\___/ // _/ / \ e x \ \\// (/ x * \ \) `---- --' * g \ \ / / g o / \ o a / \ \ a t / / \ t s / / \/\/ s e / e x x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x *

  16. Death comes for *BSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    Official confirmation, Netcraft admits: *BSD is dying

    Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when recently IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

    You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

    Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

    All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

    Fact: *BSD is dead

    1. Re:Death comes for *BSD by Gay+Linux+Conspiracy · · Score: -1

      * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g g o / \ \ / \ o a \ a t `. : t s` \ s e \ / / \\\ -- \\ : e x \ \/ --~~ ~-- \ x * \ \-~ ~-\ * g \ \ .--------.___\ g o \ \// ((> \ o a \ . C ) ((> / a t /\ C )/ \ (> / t s / /\ C) (> / \ s e ( C__)\___/ // _/ / \ e x \ \\// (/ x * \ \) `---- --' * g \ \ / / g o / \ o a / \ \ a t / / \ t s / / \/\/ s e / e x x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x *

  17. WARNING: Don't Click on the Links! by Lunastorm · · Score: -1, Troll

    The links in the article link to Goatse.cx. Do not click on them unless you are a homosexual (i.e. h4x0r).

    --
    You die too easily.
    1. Re:WARNING: Don't Click on the Links! by Klerck · · Score: -1

      * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g g o / \ \ / \ o a \ a t `. : t s` \ s e \ / / \\\ -- \\ : e x \ \/ --~~ ~-- \ x * \ \-~ ~-\ * g \ \ .--------.___\ g o \ \// ((> \ o a \ . C ) ((> / a t /\ C )/ \ (> / t s / /\ C) (> / \ s e ( C__)\___/ // _/ / \ e x \ \\// (/ x * \ \) `---- --' * g \ \ / / g o / \ o a / \ \ a t / / \ t s / / \/\/ s e / e x x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x *

  18. Java license for Free (as in ???) by GGardner · · Score: 4, Informative
    Well, it isn't free as in speech, cause we don't get source code, which means it is x86 only (amoung other issues).


    And the FreeBSD team had to pay $3k in legal fees to lawyers to wrangle licensing terms, so it is hardly free as in beer.

    1. Re:Java license for Free (as in ???) by iamklerck · · Score: -1

      * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g g o / \ \ / \ o a \ a t `. : t s` \ s e \ / / \\\ -- \\ : e x \ \/ --~~ ~-- \ x * \ \-~ ~-\ * g \ \ .--------.___\ g o \ \// ((> \ o a \ . C ) ((> / a t /\ C )/ \ (> / t s / /\ C) (> / \ s e ( C__)\___/ // _/ / \ e x \ \\// (/ x * \ \) `---- --' * g \ \ / / g o / \ o a / \ \ a t / / \ t s / / \/\/ s e / e x x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x *

    2. Re:Java license for Free (as in ???) by metlin · · Score: 2

      Very true. But the good news is that we are making some leeway into getting stuff ported our way, from companies that are pretty stubborn (if you do not know what I mean, go read the Sun Java (TM) License).

      "...With an officially licensed binary Java distribution..."

      Well, this does necessarily mean the end of a few license wars for running Java (TM) on FreeBSD, but atleast a native port has been done and something _is_ better than nothing. Not that ppl are going to begin using Java on FreeBSD tomorrow, but it definitely is a first step.

    3. Re:Java license for Free (as in ???) by Zillatron · · Score: 3, Funny
      Well, it isn't free as in speech, cause we don't get source code, which means it is x86 only (amoung other issues).

      It's O.K. for it to run on x86 only. The focus of FreeBSD is to run as well as possible on x86 machines. If you want to run on other architectures, try NetBSD whose motto is ``Of course it runs NetBSD.''

    4. Re:Java license for Free (as in ???) by Derkec · · Score: 3, Insightful
      And the FreeBSD team had to pay $3k in legal fees to lawyers to wrangle licensing terms, so it is hardly free as in beer.


      Um.. Nobody held a gun to their head and made them hire lawyers. Sun, who built and owns the IP, graciously let them use it Free as in Beer. While I know everyone who codes should give away all their source out of the kindness of their hearts, the for slimy corportate types the folks at Sun are being pretty decent towards a group improving a competing Unix OS.

    5. Re:Java license for Free (as in ???) by RLiegh · · Score: 1

      In the last year or whatever, FreeBSD has been working on an Alpha port, also.
      Loosely speaking, you could also say mac too (if you count Darwin, which has FreeBSD in it...though it's Mach, so neverfuckingmind).

    6. Re:Java license for Free (as in ???) by jslag · · Score: 1
      the folks at Sun are being pretty decent towards a group improving a competing Unix OS.


      Competing with Sun's business? I didn't know that FreeBSD was producing big-$$$ server hardware.

  19. This is huge by astrashe · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I love it -- the lack of solid java support is the biggest problem I have with FreeBSD.

    Now if only the same thing would happen with OpenBSD -- we could write tomcat based web apps, and wouldn't have to worry so much about being hacked.

    1. Re:This is huge by Gay+Linux+Conspiracy · · Score: -1

      * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g g o / \ \ / \ o a \ a t `. : t s` \ s e \ / / \\\ -- \\ : e x \ \/ --~~ ~-- \ x * \ \-~ ~-\ * g \ \ .--------.___\ g o \ \// ((> \ o a \ . C ) ((> / a t /\ C )/ \ (> / t s / /\ C) (> / \ s e ( C__)\___/ // _/ / \ e x \ \\// (/ x * \ \) `---- --' * g \ \ / / g o / \ o a / \ \ a t / / \ t s / / \/\/ s e / e x x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x *

    2. Re:This is huge by wysoft · · Score: 1

      Now if only the same thing would happen with OpenBSD

      There's a good chance the FreeBSD binaries of these two software packages will work under OpenBSD (and NetBSD's) FreeBSD emulation. Give it a try!

      --
      -- I'll cut you up so bad, you'll wish I'd never cut you up so bad!
    3. Re:This is huge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
      Life is strange to say the least. Take the situation that now exists between my wife and me. Linda and I have been married almost seven years now, but out relationship has changed more in the last six months than it did in the first six years. Let me explain how my present predicament began. I guess in a sense everything that has happened to me has been my fault. I should have left well enough alone. you see I'm married to a 25 year old fox of a wife. Her name is Linda and I've been with her ever since she was 16 years old. She had never known any other man but me and that was fine with me. I'm a couple of years older than Linda but not that much more experienced in sexual matters than her. Linda was a virgin when we meet, and I had only a couple of sexual experiences before meeting my wife.

      In any event, our sex life was fine for the first five years and then in the next year, I noticed how it kind of tailed off. I figured that I could improve our sex life by having us both watch and get better sexually educated by watching some porn flicks. At first Linda was against it, but she relented and eventually she seemed to actually like watching them. It did seem to improve the frequency of our sex sessions but then something interesting happened.

      As Linda and I were watching a new porno flick I had picked up, she seemed to be taking particular interest in Peter North's large equipment as he filled some women to the limit with it. The next scene showing a black guy with his even bigger cock seemed to fascinate her even more. After the move was over, she asked me how long my cock was. I told her it was about average and was almost 6 inches. To tell the truth it's more like 5 1/2" and I've always been a little conscious of it being thin as well as a little short.. but because my wife had no previous experience it never seemed to matter to her before. But now she had seen these monster cocks on the screen and she realized, of course, that they were about double what I had. I realized I couldn't hide the fact that mine was kinda puny from her any longer.

      The subject didn't come up again for a couple of days until Linda told me that she had heard that black men all had such big cocks. I told her that I didn't think they did and the black guys in the pornos were an exception rather than a rule. She changed the topic and I thought that was all there was to it. But somehow, I had the feeling that she was still curious about the size of black cock.

      About a week later, I finished work early and left for home knowing that my wife would be happy to see me home early. When I got there I realized her friend, Jane, who lives a couple of houses down from us was visiting. As I entered the house they were so deeply into there conversation that they didn't hear me come in. She'd apparently been sipping wine with Jane almost all afternoon and both girls were in a giggly mood. I was about to announce myself, when I heard what they were talking about. Jane was telling Linda that most black men had really big cocks. Linda was fascinated but told Jane she found that hard to believe and that I had said that wasn't true. Jane say that she had a black friend who could come over and prove it.

      I expected Linda to reject her offer out of hand, but I was surprised to hear my wife giggle and say, "Maybe I should find out if it's true for myself, huh?" Her curiosity and the wine had obviously gotten the best of her. Jane quickly made a phone call and then told Linda that he would be over in about ten minutes.

      True to her word almost ten minutes later there was a knock on the door. I had walked upstairs and was listening and observing from a vantage point that I couldn't easily be seen. I know I should have intervened but I was curious about what might happen next. I couldn't believe that my wife was really going to inspect this guy's dong to find out if he had a really big black cock.

      My first surprise when Jane introduced Linda to Nate was his size. This guy was at least six and a half feet tall and probably weighed 275 pounds contained within a well-built muscular frame. As soon as Nate arrived, Jane excused herself so that Nate and my wife, 'could get better acquainted'. No sooner had Jane walked out the door, when Nate turned to Linda and said, "If you want to check out my equipment, we'd better do it private like in your bedroom." My wife just looked mesmerized by this big black man and kind of nodded her head and said, "Maybe that would be best." I barely had time to slip into our master closet before they entered the bedroom.

      He closed the bedroom door behind himself and once inside he unzipped his fly and pulled out what must have been at least 12 inches of man-meat. It was as big as any I'd ever seen in the pornos. Linda was totally amazed, I watched as she moved toward it and lifted its weighty mass in her hands. "Gawd," she said, "Something like this would never fit inside me!" and I had to silently agree. "Sure it will," said the black man, "all ya need is a little preparation." This was getting serious, I could tell and I was about to come out from my hiding place and confront the two of them, when I realized how much bigger and stronger this guy was than me. I figured that the better part of valor was to stay where I was and maybe Linda would just send this guy on his way. No such luck of course.

      Linda was still standing there in awe of his massive black cock holding it in her hands when he became very aggressive. He pulled her to him, kissing her deep, her hand still holding his rod. I expected Linda to back away but she didn't. After a few seconds she was actually returning his kiss. I watched in shock as he quickly stripped her clothes off until she was standing there naked before him. "Lie down whitey," he ordered and she didn't hesitate to carry out his command. He moved between her legs and with his massive hands pulled them apart. I could see her tiny cunt. He moved his head toward her pussy and before I could blink, he was eating her. The one thing I can always count on to make my wife extra-hot is to eat her pussy and so I knew that he'd have her excited in no time. Sure enough in just a few seconds, she was moaning and thrusting up to get more of his tongue into her hot cunt as he skillfully manipulated her. As I helplessly watched she came, and came and came until sh e was actually begging him to put it in her.

      As he moved up her body she must have come to her senses because she told him he would have to wear a condom. Linda has never wanted children and she had read somewhere that prolonged use of the pill was not good for a woman and so we have always used the condom as our method of birth control. But when she asked him again, the black man shook his head, telling Linda that he "don't wear no fucken condom," that he "liked to feel his bitches cunt against his cock." As he said this he was rubbing her clit with the bulbous head of his cock, stoking her fire again. Do you want me to stop now bitch and go home he asked. She hesitated for a moment and I hoped she'd come to her senses, but my hopes were dashed as she told him to fuck her now, with or without anything and that she needed it bad! He grinned lewdly, as he slowly began to push that monster into her cunt. I could tell it was tight but she kept on urging him to fill her completely. when he was about half way into her, deeper than I had ever been, he suddenly thrust hard and the remainder of his cock entered her to the balls.

      Linda gasped in pain, then as he held burying to the root inside her she reached up and kissed him. "Fuck me hard," she said. That was all he needed to hear. I could see that hot fuckstick as he almost completely pulled it from her, her cunt extended around its girth, then he would ram it home. Linda began humping hard up against him, telling him how much she was loving it. The black mans butt contracted with each thrust and I knew he would come soon. "I'm gonna fill your cunt with my black seed," he yelled, "you'd like that wouldn't you?" Linda answered, "yes, come inside me, don't take that beautiful thing out." Then the black buried himself to the balls inside my wife's cunt and as he groaned in orgasm, the cheeks of his butt pulsed with every ejaculation he shot inside my wife's cunt. "Oh there's a lot for your tummy... lots of baby juice for you!" he yelled. Linda continued to pump against him her cunt sucking every last bit of it out of his big black cock.

      I suddenly realized that this black man was sending cum into my wife's cunt for the very first time. We had always used a condom and she was a virgin when we married. I was insanely jealous. But what could I do at this point, nothing but watch her as she fucked him longer and stronger than she ever had with me. After about a minute he slowly withdrew his softening cock. A string of cum clung to it and more come began to run out of her abused hole. It was no longer closed, it gaped open like a veteran whore's. "Very nice cunt for a white bitch," Nate said, "I'll be stopping by everyday for some of this, you understand?". "Yes," was all Linda could muster. The black man left and Linda laid down to rest. She fell asleep almost immediately and I snuck out the closet past her without disturbing her.

      I went to a bar and had a few drinks to steady my nerves. I didn't know what to do. If I confronted her with it, I knew that our marriage might be over. I didn't really want that and I guess I finally convinced myself that this was just a phase she'd go through and after a while she'd tire of it or get her fill of big black cock and our sex life would return to what it used to be.

      WRONG again! That was almost 6 months ago, Linda still doesn't know I know, but she will not be able to keep it secret for much longer. You see, Linda is five months pregnant. Its definitely not mine. She's said to me that there must have been something wrong with one of my rubbers and that's how I got her pregnant. I, of course, know better. I know that it's definitely black. Since that first time, I have watched her many times with her black lover.

      Its painful for me to watch and I don't know how to explain it but somehow deep down, I WANT to see her with her ebony lovers. I confess that it makes me hard and I have actually jacked-off on more than one occasion watching from our closet. Frankly, it's my only way of "getting off" now days as I haven't fucked her in five months. She has told me that since she's become pregnant she just doesn't desire sex. But I know the real reason; I was in the room hiding months ago when her black lover told her that she was only to have black cock, and not fuck her white husband. Even 5 months pregnant she is still taking black cock every day.

      It's been getting worse, Nate has brought a friend with him the last several times he's visited and she's been "forced" to service two black cocks at one time. She is with him several nights a week, using the excuse that she's having a "girl's night out" with Jane. I've followed her to a sleazy motel and seen lots of men come and go from the motel room that she was in. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Nate is pimping her for his black buddies. I don't know what I'm going to do. I suppose there's really nothing I can do at this point. In about three months, when a coffee creamed baby is born by my wife, I suppose that I'll have to deal with it. Until then, I'll just let things ride along as they are!

    4. Re:This is huge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      No, this is huge!

    5. Re:This is huge by m_ilya · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Now if only the same thing would happen with OpenBSD -- we could write tomcat based web apps, and wouldn't have to worry so much about being hacked.

      OpenBSD is not a silver bullet. It just comes with more sane defaults and its core have seen more audits probably. It doesn't magically protect applications your wrote and it doesn't protect applications installed from ports from hacks. Your code still have to be audited for bugs and your admin still have to patch installed applications if they show up on bugtraq.

      --

      --
      Ilya Martynov (http://martynov.org/)

    6. Re:This is huge by Andreas+Rueckert · · Score: 1

      It seems, there are already some people running Orp+Classpath with serious apps. Unfortunately no usable GUI classes yet, but the potential is there.

  20. *BSD is dying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    Netcraft makes it official: *BSD is dying

    Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when recently IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

    You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

    Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

    All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

    Fact: *BSD is dead

  21. Help! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I cant seem to find a free encryption program for the Mac
    that uses the Blowfish algorithm. Could anybody point out
    where I can find such a program?

    1. Re:Help! by iamklerck · · Score: -1

      * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g g o / \ \ / \ o a \ a t `. : t s` \ s e \ / / \\\ -- \\ : e x \ \/ --~~ ~-- \ x * \ \-~ ~-\ * g \ \ .--------.___\ g o \ \// ((> \ o a \ . C ) ((> / a t /\ C )/ \ (> / t s / /\ C) (> / \ s e ( C__)\___/ // _/ / \ e x \ \\// (/ x * \ \) `---- --' * g \ \ / / g o / \ o a / \ \ a t / / \ t s / / \/\/ s e / e x x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x *

    2. Re:Help! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      I resent that!!!!!!

    3. Re:Help! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      There is a free AppleScript OSAX, but this means you'll have to write an AppleScript, which is way beyond the ability of your average Mac lamer, so don't bother looking on Google, like you should have in the first place.

  22. Another strike against Catholics (VERY ontopic) by Kiss+The+Sp0rk · · Score: -1

    (Note, I'm only bashing the Catholics here because everyone already knows about the treacherous nature of Jews)

    So, you've heard how Catholics are de-facto slaves to the Pope's will. But do you know how strong a hold the Pope has over his mind-controlled followers? Think about this.

    Since the time they're about 7, every Catholic gives a weekly confession of all their misdeeds (and for Catholics, this involves massive amounts of perversion, evil, illegality, and so-forth). Now, do you think a power-hungry, expansionist organization like the Catholic church would just let this valuable information fall by the wayside. NO! Of course not.

    Since time immemorial, the Catholic Church has been storing the confessions of its followers to be used in case a given follower refuses to carry out the Pope's orders. With the threat of blackmail, the Pope can rule with an iron fist.

    Computerization made this type of mass blackmailing much easier. In fact, I have it on good authority that the Pope's Blackmail Database is a Java application run under FreeBSD for its scalabilty and security.

    --
    KTS:Lover, Poet, Artiste, Aesthete, Utensil.
    There is no contradiction.
    1. Re:Another strike against Catholics (VERY ontopic) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      Could you elaborate on this?

  23. This means... by mlinksva · · Score: 2
    ... that a FreeBSD CD can legally include a port of Sun's JDK/JRE? I suppose this saves users the trouble of downloading, but a script could have automated that. So it's a big win if you have a FreeBSD box that's not on the net. Is this supposed to be a big deal?

    Sun ought to be paying FreeBSD to include Java. Well, they really ought to make Java free as in free speech.

    I won't be surprised if in a couple years a truly free .net implementation has surpassed java on free *nix systems due to Sun squandering its ~5 year headstart.

    1. Re:This means... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      No, a FreeBSD CD cannot include a port of Sun's JDK/JRE. This really means that you can use Microsoft Windows XP's auto update feature to download it and install it of course. It also comes with the latest security holes and buffer overflows and bugs.

      A script could also could have helped Battlefield Earth! That movie was terrible!

      Its a big deal when CmdrTaco gives up his gay lifestyle, thats for sure!

      Sun ought to be ramming FreeBSD in the ass with Solaris' network stack! And they should make Java free as in handjobs and blowjobs off preteens and that happens to be what I am getting right now.

      When my cute little preteen thats sucking my dick grows up in 5 years she will still be here swallowing as willing as she ever was!

      Thank you for you time!

  24. A day late and a dollar short by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Java? Sorry, the parade's gone by.

    1. Re:A day late and a dollar short by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have no idea what you are talking about.

  25. Who's ahead now?? by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    FreeBSD will have a native Java. FreeBSD will also have a native port of C# tools through Corel. Linux will have to wait for Ximian to code up Mono. Looks like its linux playing catch-up now. Oh wait, they linux has real databases. Forget I said any of this.

    1. Re:Who's ahead now?? by ZxCv · · Score: 2

      FreeBSD will have a native port of C# tools through Corel? How's that? Linkage?

      --

      Perl - $Just @when->$you ${thought} s/yn/tax/ &couldn\'t %get $worse;
    2. Re:Who's ahead now?? by efgbr · · Score: 1

      JRE/JDK has been available for some GNU/Linux distributions for a while, and some distributions ship it already (like Conectiva and Slackware).

      Corel's .NET implementation won't be free. That is, only FreeBSD users will be able to choose to be controlled by a Microsoft division. If you value your freedom, you should wait for Mono or Portable.NET, both of which will run on FreeBSD.

      - Evandro

    3. Re:Who's ahead now?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And knowing Corel's track record on software development, It will be as buggy as tropical rainforest that has had bug pheromone sprayed on it.

    4. Re:Who's ahead now?? by Arandir · · Score: 2

      If you value your freedom...

      My freedom means I can choose open or proprietary software. My freedom is meaningless without choice.

      Using the Sun JRE/JDK may mean lesser utility than an unavailable Mono or Portable.NET, but it is still utility. It doesn't *remove* any of my freedom. Although it doesn't add any, it does add utility. Overall it's a net win. If Mono were available, and it ran Java applications, then I would probably choose it because I get added utility *and* freedom. But as long as the Sun JRE/JDK doesn't take away any freedom I currently possess, I am still just as free using it as I would be not using either product.

      --
      A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
  26. Ah yes, but the important question is ... by J.D.+Hogg · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    ... will FreeBSD ever offer C# ? C# is way better than Java, which is not the language of the future : I read it here, it must be true.

    .((_? ( . . .
    . .{{ . _ . . Care for
    .\==}==/_) . .Some Java
    &lt_\===/__; .. with you FreeBSD ?
    . ''''' . . .

    1. Re:Ah yes, but the important question is ... by efgbr · · Score: 1

      Mono and Portable.NET will work on FreeBSD. And, unlike Jave, it's free software.

    2. Re:Ah yes, but the important question is ... by ozzmosis · · Score: 1

      i put pnet in the ports tree.

      So, yes.

  27. HOLY FUCK A LOT OF TROLLING GOING ON TODAY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    SO I THOUGHT I WOULD DO MY PART!

    CmdrTaco's "Gaping Anus" 1.0

    You can be just like me!

    It has recently come to my attention that the entire Slashdot crew engage in homosexual activities. CmdrTaco is one such person, and has dedicated his life to this disgusting habit and many others. For further information on Taco-Snotting please refer to George WIPO Bush's Taco-Snotting FAQ which can be easily found by searching for the Slashdot journal of George WIPO Bush or by looking in the comments of Slashdot articles (Usually modded -1).

    It has also come to my attention that CmdrTaco has other interests besides homosexuality (Believe it or not). One such interest includes a budding music career with a song titled "Gaping Anus". The details are sketchy on this topic but I do know that besides the lead vocals of CmdrTaco, it includes Timothy and CowboyNeal (Also members of the Slashdot crew). There has been no release date set for this album or which record label it will be produced under. I believe CmdrTaco is planning to set up his own label, Taco-Snotting Records, with the intention of releasing the song on a cd-single with various remixes as soon as possible (To catch the current popularity of the Taco-Snotting fad). On a side note, I would not believe this fad will ever wear out (like a Snotted-out-geek); I am sorry to say Taco-Snotting is here to stay :-(. Various remixes of Gaping Anus will include: "Extra Jizz", "Snot Me Baby One More Time", "www.Goatse.cx", and "Once You Taco-Snot, You Can't Stop". I am sure many, many, more are sure to come. I predict this album will be a very hot seller this holiday season, especially with in or out of closet homosexuals, and with those who have no self-respect (Readers of Slashdot).

    Through a good, non-homosexual friend of mine, I have recieved a copy of the lyrics to the Gaping Anus musical composition. Included after the lyrics is a very speical tribute written by yours truely. Perhaps CmdrTaco will ask me to provide the vocals. Please feel free to read the lyrics and post your comments and disgust.

    BTW, please do not reply with the intention of flaming me because the lyrics are a rip-off of Insane Clown Posse's "Slim Anus". For more information on ICP and Slim Anus refer here and here. CmdrTaco is the author of this fine musical work and not me. So, it is obviously he who has ripped off ICP and not me. Thank you.

    Hi, my name is what?
    My name is who?
    My name is Gaping Anus
    Hi, my name is huh?
    My name is what?
    My name is the fudgepacker
    Hi, my name is what?
    My name is who? (Excuse me)
    My name is the nutlicker
    Hi, my name is what? (Can I have the attention of your ass?)
    My name is who?
    My name is the buttsniffer

    Hi, kids do you like Anus?
    I let Linus Torvalds fill up my butt for a chance to be famous (Uh huh)
    Wanna copy me and do exactly like I did? (Yeah)
    Try Taco-Snotting and get your butt pumped out like I did?
    My brains dead weight
    I'm tryin to get my head straight
    But I can't figure out
    Which Slashdot editor I wanna impregnate
    Timothy said, "CmdrTaco you a cutie" (Uh huh)
    "I'll give you a deal, let me up in that booty" (OK!)
    Well since age 12 I felt like I'm someone else
    Cause I choked my original self Taco-Snotting him (Yup)
    Got pissed off and ripped CowboyNeal's tits off
    He don't know how to do Chris D
    I'd suck his dick off

    Hi, my anus who?
    My anus what?
    My anus it gets tapped dawg
    Hi, my anus (Excuse me)
    My anus
    My anus every now and then gets plugged up
    Hi, my anus (Can I have the attention of your ass?)
    My anus
    My anus is occasionally reamed out
    Hi, my anus who?
    My anus what?
    My anus really needs to be filled up

    My boss tried to fire me yesterday
    I told him to take his pants off, hooked him up, he let me slide
    I pinched his ass
    He winked at me
    He chased me around the desk
    I told him "Come and get me!"
    Walked in the strip club
    Had my jacket zipped up
    Flashed the bartender
    And I tried to feel his dick up
    Homosexuals Circle-Snotting pedestrians
    Near a gay bar while they screamin at me
    Let's just be friends!
    99% of my life I was lied to
    I just found out my Mom screws more guys than I do (Damn)
    I told her I'd grow up to be a famous Taco-Snotter
    She met Michael, I couldn't believe it when he slapped her
    You know you blew up when the women rush the stands
    And try to touch your hands
    But I need me a man
    This guy at Gay Al's strip club asked for my autograph (Dude can I get your
    autograph?)
    So I signed it Dear Alan Cox, thanks for the support
    Nice ass!

    Hi, my name is huh?
    My name is who? (Excuse me)
    My name is (They call me the pore plugger)
    Hi, my name is what?
    My name is who?
    My name is the inch itcher (Excuse me)
    One of Slashdot's homosexuals
    They call me the butt itcher
    Hi, my name is what?
    My name is who?
    My name is (I've been called Hemos' butt boy)

    Stop the tape this gaylord needs to be locked away (Get him)
    Cliff, don't just stand there operate
    Or feel up my balls and buttcheeks
    Anal lube got my ass greasy for weeks
    Stick your manhood between my cheeks (Yup)
    Am I coming or going
    I can barely decide
    I just drank a gallon of semen
    Dare me to drive? (Go ahead)
    All my life I was very deprived
    CowboyNeal's butt is too sexy to hide
    Take your pants off Neal I don't mind
    Clothes rip like the incredible Hulk
    I Taco-Snot when I talk
    I do any guy that walks
    When I was little I used to get so hungry I would throw fits
    Sometimes I sit and wish Hemos had a set of tits
    CowboyNeal: "Get behind me CmdrTaco and grab me by my hips"
    If I do that then I can't kiss you on your lips
    By the way if you see my Dad
    Ask him if he seen my spread in Gay House Porno Mag

    Hi, my anus who?
    My anus what?
    My anus gets tapped up
    Hi, my anus who?
    My anus what?
    My anus it's always getting plugged up
    Hi, my anus who?
    My anus what?
    My anus occasionally reamed out
    My anus it needs to be filled up


    Your anus
    Your anus
    Your anus is always getting plugged
    Your anus
    Your anus
    Your anus is always getting stuffed
    You wanna diss us?
    We don't even know you you little bitch
    You wanna sit there and diss us?
    You little bitch I'll slap your face off
    That's what happens when you go up against the Slashdot Trolls trick
    You little bitch (Laughs)
    Gaping Anus!

  28. THIS JUST IN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    I have just recieved word of CmdrTaco's so called "girlfriend"...and I use the term loosely. As a follow-up to Gaping Anus, he has written "Fat Sweaty Betty", a song written for her.

    "Fat Sweaty Betty" by CmdrTaco

    w-w-w-w why dont you go into the next room and start getting undressed (x2)

    Fat Sweaty Betty you bitch ain't nuthin new
    Her ma used to baby sit me back when we was 2
    We'd go to the playground and to the skating rink
    And we'd go under the bleachers and she'd let me hit the stank
    Well ah, she moved across town and never came back
    Until the other day I seen her at the Chicken Shack
    She said her name was Betty I can't believe this, shit
    The sexy little girl is now a fat sweaty beatch
    She said "Hey Taco! Tell me how you been"
    She had a piece of chicken gizzard stuck to her chin
    I told her, hold still and flicked it off her face
    And said "Betty oh Betty what ya say we leave this place?"
    I took her back to the crib and hit it all night
    I let my fingers rub across the rippled cellulite
    Oooooh it was nasty, but I don't let it bother me
    She rolled over and fuckin knocked the wind outta me
    I couldn't breath she wouldn't stop I'm almost dead
    I took the lamp and bust it on her fuckin head We got dressed
    I gave her a little kiss good-bye Fat Sweaty Betty,
    my fat sweaty pumpkin pie

    Fat Sweaty Betty
    Tell me when your ready (x2)

    Theres a big fat flop of shit people call Betty
    Lots of fat on her back her neck, Sweaty
    Boogers runnin out her noes and over hung lips
    Can't tell the difference from her titties to her hips
    But fuck all that cuz I wanna see the neden
    I wanna see the cat that cheesy, cheesy, chin
    Rode my bike to her house, hey yo Betty let me in
    I'm packin some snack cakes, bitch let me in
    I can hear her commin down the stairs
    She opened up the door in her mutha fuckin underwear's
    Eww, shit fuck that I'm turnin back
    But then the door shut and she goin for the cake snack
    I said relax hoe, I'm hear on business
    You can have the candy, first you gotta wait a bit
    I need a favor, come on Betty drop them drawers
    Ahhhh, I knew it, Betty had balls
    Oh, no here come that ass
    From the top of the dresser with the Yokozuna Splash
    I wish I never came Oh boy do I wish
    She Fat Sweaty Betty The Sweaty Fat Bitch

    Fat Sweaty Betty Tell me when your ready
    fat sweaty betty (x8)

  29. WATCH OUT THIS CHRISTMAS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Because Christmas is on the horizon, I thought I would share a suitable tale. This is so you, the reader, may be able to avoid the terror I have been.

    Last Christmas, while visiting family, I spent a few nights in a Best Western hotel. It was comfortable yet affordable and I really enjoyed and appreciated their friendly and knowledgeable staff. Why didn't I stay in my family's house you ask? Well... there were children present and as children often are are a nuisance and would inturrupt my morning and nightly rituals. On my first night at the Best Western, I proceded to... oh, I think a song would better illustrate this...

    Bite my lip and close my eyes
    Take me away to paradise
    I'm so damn bored I'm going blind
    And I smell like shit


    Oh, sorry, wrong song...

    Exit light
    Enter night
    Take my hand
    Off to never never land


    Yeah... uh, thats right.

    As I drifted off to sleep, I was startled by noises. The residents in the next room were making too much noise. I was about to bang on the wall but was curious at what was the problem so I pressed my ear up against the wall and listened.

    CmdrTaco:
    Nowadays everybody wanna talk
    But nothing comes out
    When they move the lips
    Its just a bunch of jibberish
    And motherfuckers act like CmdrTaco aint' gay
    Everybody forgot
    What happened?
    What up Linus

    Linus Torvalds: Yeah

    CmdrTaco:
    It's all about Linus
    It's all about Linus

    Linus Torvalds: Linus is in the house

    CmdrTaco: Yeah, thats right Linus is in the house

    Linus Torvalds: Come here pull down your panites you little bitch

    CmdrTaco: Aiight, hold up dawg go easy on me and shit you ripped my asshole last time

    Linus Torvalds: Come get some of this Monolithic Kernel

    CmdrTaco: Let me take off this white shirt so you can see my bird chest

    Linus Torvalds: You wanna be famous?

    CmdrTaco: Uh huh

    Linus Torvalds: Spread that bitch ass

    CmdrTaco: It's all about Linus

    Linus Torvalds: Yeah, Linus

    CmdrTaco: Uh, dawg, your hurting me dawg

    Linus Torvalds: Your the loosest Slashdot editor you little bitch

    CmdrTaco: Your ripping my asshole dawg, hold on a sec, wait don't bust

    Linus Torvalds: Yeah

    CmdrTaco: Hold on a sec, don't bust

    Linus Torvalds: Come here

    CmdrTaco: Wait, uh wait, uh, hold on don't bust

    Linus Torvalds: Take all of this Monolithic Kernel

    CmdrTaco: Hold on don't bust, do it on my lip like a milk ad

    Linus Torvalds: Linus is in that ass

    CmdrTaco:
    It's all about Linus
    It's all about Linus, ahh ahh

    Linus Torvalds: You wanna be famous you little bitch

    CmdrTaco: Man don't tell CowboyNeal dawg please, it's all about Linus Torvalds

    Linus Torvalds: Aiight, now get the fuck out of here

    CmdrTaco: Aww shit

  30. THIS JUST IN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    I have just recieved word of CmdrTaco's so called "girlfriend"...and I use the term loosely. As a follow-up to Gaping Anus, he has written "Fat Sweaty Betty", a song written for her.

    "Fat Sweaty Betty" by CmdrTaco

    w-w-w-w why dont you go into the next room and start getting undressed (x2)

    Fat Sweaty Betty you bitch ain't nuthin new
    Her ma used to baby sit me back when we was 2
    We'd go to the playground and to the skating rink
    And we'd go under the bleachers and she'd let me hit the stank
    Well ah, she moved across town and never came back
    Until the other day I seen her at the Chicken Shack
    She said her name was Betty I can't believe this, shit
    The sexy little girl is now a fat sweaty beatch
    She said "Hey Taco! Tell me how you been"
    She had a piece of chicken gizzard stuck to her chin
    I told her, hold still and flicked it off her face
    And said "Betty oh Betty what ya say we leave this place?"
    I took her back to the crib and hit it all night
    I let my fingers rub across the rippled cellulite
    Oooooh it was nasty, but I don't let it bother me
    She rolled over and fuckin knocked the wind outta me
    I couldn't breath she wouldn't stop I'm almost dead
    I took the lamp and bust it on her fuckin head We got dressed
    I gave her a little kiss good-bye Fat Sweaty Betty,
    my fat sweaty pumpkin pie

    Fat Sweaty Betty
    Tell me when your ready (x2)

    Theres a big fat flop of shit people call Betty
    Lots of fat on her back her neck, Sweaty
    Boogers runnin out her noes and over hung lips
    Can't tell the difference from her titties to her hips
    But fuck all that cuz I wanna see the neden
    I wanna see the cat that cheesy, cheesy, chin
    Rode my bike to her house, hey yo Betty let me in
    I'm packin some snack cakes, bitch let me in
    I can hear her commin down the stairs
    She opened up the door in her mutha fuckin underwear's
    Eww, shit fuck that I'm turnin back
    But then the door shut and she goin for the cake snack
    I said relax hoe, I'm hear on business
    You can have the candy, first you gotta wait a bit
    I need a favor, come on Betty drop them drawers
    Ahhhh, I knew it, Betty had balls
    Oh, no here come that ass
    From the top of the dresser with the Yokozuna Splash
    I wish I never came Oh boy do I wish
    She Fat Sweaty Betty The Sweaty Fat Bitch

    Fat Sweaty Betty Tell me when your ready
    fat sweaty betty (x8)

  31. CMDRTACO'S GAPING ANUS IS COMING... FOR YOU! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    CmdrTaco's "Gaping Anus" 1.0

    You can be just like me!

    It has recently come to my attention that the entire Slashdot crew engage in homosexual activities. CmdrTaco is one such person, and has dedicated his life to this disgusting habit and many others. For further information on Taco-Snotting please refer to George WIPO Bush's Taco-Snotting FAQ which can be easily found by searching for the Slashdot journal of George WIPO Bush or by looking in the comments of Slashdot articles (Usually modded -1).

    It has also come to my attention that CmdrTaco has other interests besides homosexuality (Believe it or not). One such interest includes a budding music career with a song titled "Gaping Anus". The details are sketchy on this topic but I do know that besides the lead vocals of CmdrTaco, it includes Timothy and CowboyNeal (Also members of the Slashdot crew). There has been no release date set for this album or which record label it will be produced under. I believe CmdrTaco is planning to set up his own label, Taco-Snotting Records, with the intention of releasing the song on a cd-single with various remixes as soon as possible (To catch the current popularity of the Taco-Snotting fad). On a side note, I would not believe this fad will ever wear out (like a Snotted-out-geek); I am sorry to say Taco-Snotting is here to stay :-(. Various remixes of Gaping Anus will include: "Extra Jizz", "Snot Me Baby One More Time", "www.Goatse.cx", and "Once You Taco-Snot, You Can't Stop". I am sure many, many, more are sure to come. I predict this album will be a very hot seller this holiday season, especially with in or out of closet homosexuals, and with those who have no self-respect (Readers of Slashdot).

    Through a good, non-homosexual friend of mine, I have recieved a copy of the lyrics to the Gaping Anus musical composition. Included after the lyrics is a very speical tribute written by yours truely. Perhaps CmdrTaco will ask me to provide the vocals. Please feel free to read the lyrics and post your comments and disgust.

    BTW, please do not reply with the intention of flaming me because the lyrics are a rip-off of Insane Clown Posse's "Slim Anus". For more information on ICP and Slim Anus refer here and here. CmdrTaco is the author of this fine musical work and not me. So, it is obviously he who has ripped off ICP and not me. Thank you.

    Hi, my name is what?
    My name is who?
    My name is Gaping Anus
    Hi, my name is huh?
    My name is what?
    My name is the fudgepacker
    Hi, my name is what?
    My name is who? (Excuse me)
    My name is the nutlicker
    Hi, my name is what? (Can I have the attention of your ass?)
    My name is who?
    My name is the buttsniffer

    Hi, kids do you like Anus?
    I let Linus Torvalds fill up my butt for a chance to be famous (Uh huh)
    Wanna copy me and do exactly like I did? (Yeah)
    Try Taco-Snotting and get your butt pumped out like I did?
    My brains dead weight
    I'm tryin to get my head straight
    But I can't figure out
    Which Slashdot editor I wanna impregnate
    Timothy said, "CmdrTaco you a cutie" (Uh huh)
    "I'll give you a deal, let me up in that booty" (OK!)
    Well since age 12 I felt like I'm someone else
    Cause I choked my original self Taco-Snotting him (Yup)
    Got pissed off and ripped CowboyNeal's tits off
    He don't know how to do Chris D
    I'd suck his dick off

    Hi, my anus who?
    My anus what?
    My anus it gets tapped dawg
    Hi, my anus (Excuse me)
    My anus
    My anus every now and then gets plugged up
    Hi, my anus (Can I have the attention of your ass?)
    My anus
    My anus is occasionally reamed out
    Hi, my anus who?
    My anus what?
    My anus really needs to be filled up

    My boss tried to fire me yesterday
    I told him to take his pants off, hooked him up, he let me slide
    I pinched his ass
    He winked at me
    He chased me around the desk
    I told him "Come and get me!"
    Walked in the strip club
    Had my jacket zipped up
    Flashed the bartender
    And I tried to feel his dick up
    Homosexuals Circle-Snotting pedestrians
    Near a gay bar while they screamin at me
    Let's just be friends!
    99% of my life I was lied to
    I just found out my Mom screws more guys than I do (Damn)
    I told her I'd grow up to be a famous Taco-Snotter
    She met Michael, I couldn't believe it when he slapped her
    You know you blew up when the women rush the stands
    And try to touch your hands
    But I need me a man
    This guy at Gay Al's strip club asked for my autograph (Dude can I get your
    autograph?)
    So I signed it Dear Alan Cox, thanks for the support
    Nice ass!

    Hi, my name is huh?
    My name is who? (Excuse me)
    My name is (They call me the pore plugger)
    Hi, my name is what?
    My name is who?
    My name is the inch itcher (Excuse me)
    One of Slashdot's homosexuals
    They call me the butt itcher
    Hi, my name is what?
    My name is who?
    My name is (I've been called Hemos' butt boy)

    Stop the tape this gaylord needs to be locked away (Get him)
    Cliff, don't just stand there operate
    Or feel up my balls and buttcheeks
    Anal lube got my ass greasy for weeks
    Stick your manhood between my cheeks (Yup)
    Am I coming or going
    I can barely decide
    I just drank a gallon of semen
    Dare me to drive? (Go ahead)
    All my life I was very deprived
    CowboyNeal's butt is too sexy to hide
    Take your pants off Neal I don't mind
    Clothes rip like the incredible Hulk
    I Taco-Snot when I talk
    I do any guy that walks
    When I was little I used to get so hungry I would throw fits
    Sometimes I sit and wish Hemos had a set of tits
    CowboyNeal: "Get behind me CmdrTaco and grab me by my hips"
    If I do that then I can't kiss you on your lips
    By the way if you see my Dad
    Ask him if he seen my spread in Gay House Porno Mag

    Hi, my anus who?
    My anus what?
    My anus gets tapped up
    Hi, my anus who?
    My anus what?
    My anus it's always getting plugged up
    Hi, my anus who?
    My anus what?
    My anus occasionally reamed out
    My anus it needs to be filled up


    Your anus
    Your anus
    Your anus is always getting plugged
    Your anus
    Your anus
    Your anus is always getting stuffed
    You wanna diss us?
    We don't even know you you little bitch
    You wanna sit there and diss us?
    You little bitch I'll slap your face off
    That's what happens when you go up against the Slashdot Trolls trick
    You little bitch (Laughs)
    Gaping Anus!

  32. question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    My boyfriend and I recently moved to the New England area. Fortunately for us, some of his friends already live here, including his college roommate. One night, I told my boyfriend that I might be interested in trying sex with another woman. He proceeded to tell me about his experiences in bi-sexuality with his roommate back in college. Basically, they would just hang around on lazy days and they'd watch pornos together and if the mood struck them, they'd jerk each other off. He was afraid I would get mad or hurt, but much to his amazement, that's one of my biggest fantasies: to watch two men rub fondle and suck each other off. The only thing that would be better than that, I told him, was that a: one of the guys be my boyfriend and even better, b: that the other guy would be one of his friends. Needless to say, I have been craving the day when that would happen. And it finally did, sort of.

    Ever since we moved, my boyfriends old roommate has been stopping by after work. The second night he was here, we were taking some bonghits, watching porn and just feeling all-around horny. My boyfriend got up to go to the bathroom and as I suspected, his friend followed. My boyfriend intentionally left the bathroom door open in hopes I would join them. But I was afraid that the second I so much as moved from where I sat, they would stop. I eventually mustered the courage and got up quietly. Through the reflection in the bathroom mirror, I could see my boyfriend's friend standing, eyes closed in ecstacy, swaying back and forth. I crawled up to the door and though I knew what I was in for, I stared in total surprise. My boyfriend, sitting and naked...dick throbbing and bobbing, had his lips wrapped around his buddy's obviously large and thick cock. The juices that were dripping down my leg were now in overdrive at this site. I positioned myself so that I could rub my horny pussy, watch and remain out of sight. My man has stated several times that he would like to watch his friend fuck me, eat me out or, at least even, masturbating as he watched me and my guy fuck. Thinking how much I would love to join them , I just remained calm and kept rubbing my hot wet pussy. It took a lot to keep me from barging in, but the view in the meantime was spectacular for me. I almost came at one point and stopped myself, only so I could cum at the same time as them.

    So this guy reaches down, and starts stroking my man's meat. I can tell by the looks on their faces that it was pleasurable to say the least. I heard my man whisper, "I'm gonna cum". As their breathing came harder and faster, so did their cocks. In an instant my hand flew down to my pussy and rubbed my tingly clit furiously. I just kept replaying what I had seen over and over. That threw me over the edge...watching so much hot white creamy jizz flying everywhere, watching them lick each other up. Now I can't wait til he drops by again. My boyfriend promised me in on the action next time, of which he also assured me there would be a next time. However, if anyone out there can offer me a bit of adive, I would like to hear it. His friend knows I know about everything, but he's still a bit apprehensive about it...although his apprehension is subsiding somewhat. Can anyone who has been in the same situation advise me on a good way to break the ice, so to speak?? I'm horny as hell and anxious to get down and dirty with my two men. But we have no idea how to approach it. My guy suggested he would initiate it by either playing with him or with me. help?

  33. ISN'T CMDRTACO SWEET?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I have just recieved word of CmdrTaco's so called "girlfriend"...and I use the term loosely. As a follow-up to Gaping Anus, he has written "Fat Sweaty Betty", a song written for her.

    "Fat Sweaty Betty" by CmdrTaco

    w-w-w-w why dont you go into the next room and start getting undressed (x2)

    Fat Sweaty Betty you bitch ain't nuthin new
    Her ma used to baby sit me back when we was 2
    We'd go to the playground and to the skating rink
    And we'd go under the bleachers and she'd let me hit the stank
    Well ah, she moved across town and never came back
    Until the other day I seen her at the Chicken Shack
    She said her name was Betty I can't believe this, shit
    The sexy little girl is now a fat sweaty beatch
    She said "Hey Taco! Tell me how you been"
    She had a piece of chicken gizzard stuck to her chin
    I told her, hold still and flicked it off her face
    And said "Betty oh Betty what ya say we leave this place?"
    I took her back to the crib and hit it all night
    I let my fingers rub across the rippled cellulite
    Oooooh it was nasty, but I don't let it bother me
    She rolled over and fuckin knocked the wind outta me
    I couldn't breath she wouldn't stop I'm almost dead
    I took the lamp and bust it on her fuckin head We got dressed
    I gave her a little kiss good-bye Fat Sweaty Betty,
    my fat sweaty pumpkin pie

    Fat Sweaty Betty
    Tell me when your ready (x2)

    Theres a big fat flop of shit people call Betty
    Lots of fat on her back her neck, Sweaty
    Boogers runnin out her noes and over hung lips
    Can't tell the difference from her titties to her hips
    But fuck all that cuz I wanna see the neden
    I wanna see the cat that cheesy, cheesy, chin
    Rode my bike to her house, hey yo Betty let me in
    I'm packin some snack cakes, bitch let me in
    I can hear her commin down the stairs
    She opened up the door in her mutha fuckin underwear's
    Eww, shit fuck that I'm turnin back
    But then the door shut and she goin for the cake snack
    I said relax hoe, I'm hear on business
    You can have the candy, first you gotta wait a bit
    I need a favor, come on Betty drop them drawers
    Ahhhh, I knew it, Betty had balls
    Oh, no here come that ass
    From the top of the dresser with the Yokozuna Splash
    I wish I never came Oh boy do I wish
    She Fat Sweaty Betty The Sweaty Fat Bitch

    Fat Sweaty Betty Tell me when your ready
    fat sweaty betty (x8)

  34. Holy Shit! by NaCh0 · · Score: -1, Offtopic


    Can you imagine a beowulf cluster of goatsex posters?

    1. Re:Holy Shit! by cxvx · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Cant get /much/ worse than right now (al teast I really hope so)

      --
      If only I could come up with a good sig ...
  35. RAMPING HOT STUFF! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    CmdrTaco's "Gaping Anus" 1.0

    You can be just like me!

    It has recently come to my attention that the entire Slashdot crew engage in homosexual activities. CmdrTaco is one such person, and has dedicated his life to this disgusting habit and many others. For further information on Taco-Snotting please refer to George WIPO Bush's Taco-Snotting FAQ which can be easily found by searching for the Slashdot journal of George WIPO Bush or by looking in the comments of Slashdot articles (Usually modded -1).

    It has also come to my attention that CmdrTaco has other interests besides homosexuality (Believe it or not). One such interest includes a budding music career with a song titled "Gaping Anus". The details are sketchy on this topic but I do know that besides the lead vocals of CmdrTaco, it includes Timothy and CowboyNeal (Also members of the Slashdot crew). There has been no release date set for this album or which record label it will be produced under. I believe CmdrTaco is planning to set up his own label, Taco-Snotting Records, with the intention of releasing the song on a cd-single with various remixes as soon as possible (To catch the current popularity of the Taco-Snotting fad). On a side note, I would not believe this fad will ever wear out (like a Snotted-out-geek); I am sorry to say Taco-Snotting is here to stay :-(. Various remixes of Gaping Anus will include: "Extra Jizz", "Snot Me Baby One More Time", "www.Goatse.cx", and "Once You Taco-Snot, You Can't Stop". I am sure many, many, more are sure to come. I predict this album will be a very hot seller this holiday season, especially with in or out of closet homosexuals, and with those who have no self-respect (Readers of Slashdot).

    Through a good, non-homosexual friend of mine, I have recieved a copy of the lyrics to the Gaping Anus musical composition. Included after the lyrics is a very speical tribute written by yours truely. Perhaps CmdrTaco will ask me to provide the vocals. Please feel free to read the lyrics and post your comments and disgust.

    BTW, please do not reply with the intention of flaming me because the lyrics are a rip-off of Insane Clown Posse's "Slim Anus". For more information on ICP and Slim Anus refer here and here. CmdrTaco is the author of this fine musical work and not me. So, it is obviously he who has ripped off ICP and not me. Thank you.

    Hi, my name is what?
    My name is who?
    My name is Gaping Anus
    Hi, my name is huh?
    My name is what?
    My name is the fudgepacker
    Hi, my name is what?
    My name is who? (Excuse me)
    My name is the nutlicker
    Hi, my name is what? (Can I have the attention of your ass?)
    My name is who?
    My name is the buttsniffer

    Hi, kids do you like Anus?
    I let Linus Torvalds fill up my butt for a chance to be famous (Uh huh)
    Wanna copy me and do exactly like I did? (Yeah)
    Try Taco-Snotting and get your butt pumped out like I did?
    My brains dead weight
    I'm tryin to get my head straight
    But I can't figure out
    Which Slashdot editor I wanna impregnate
    Timothy said, "CmdrTaco you a cutie" (Uh huh)
    "I'll give you a deal, let me up in that booty" (OK!)
    Well since age 12 I felt like I'm someone else
    Cause I choked my original self Taco-Snotting him (Yup)
    Got pissed off and ripped CowboyNeal's tits off
    He don't know how to do Chris D
    I'd suck his dick off

    Hi, my anus who?
    My anus what?
    My anus it gets tapped dawg
    Hi, my anus (Excuse me)
    My anus
    My anus every now and then gets plugged up
    Hi, my anus (Can I have the attention of your ass?)
    My anus
    My anus is occasionally reamed out
    Hi, my anus who?
    My anus what?
    My anus really needs to be filled up

    My boss tried to fire me yesterday
    I told him to take his pants off, hooked him up, he let me slide
    I pinched his ass
    He winked at me
    He chased me around the desk
    I told him "Come and get me!"
    Walked in the strip club
    Had my jacket zipped up
    Flashed the bartender
    And I tried to feel his dick up
    Homosexuals Circle-Snotting pedestrians
    Near a gay bar while they screamin at me
    Let's just be friends!
    99% of my life I was lied to
    I just found out my Mom screws more guys than I do (Damn)
    I told her I'd grow up to be a famous Taco-Snotter
    She met Michael, I couldn't believe it when he slapped her
    You know you blew up when the women rush the stands
    And try to touch your hands
    But I need me a man
    This guy at Gay Al's strip club asked for my autograph (Dude can I get your
    autograph?)
    So I signed it Dear Alan Cox, thanks for the support
    Nice ass!

    Hi, my name is huh?
    My name is who? (Excuse me)
    My name is (They call me the pore plugger)
    Hi, my name is what?
    My name is who?
    My name is the inch itcher (Excuse me)
    One of Slashdot's homosexuals
    They call me the butt itcher
    Hi, my name is what?
    My name is who?
    My name is (I've been called Hemos' butt boy)

    Stop the tape this gaylord needs to be locked away (Get him)
    Cliff, don't just stand there operate
    Or feel up my balls and buttcheeks
    Anal lube got my ass greasy for weeks
    Stick your manhood between my cheeks (Yup)
    Am I coming or going
    I can barely decide
    I just drank a gallon of semen
    Dare me to drive? (Go ahead)
    All my life I was very deprived
    CowboyNeal's butt is too sexy to hide
    Take your pants off Neal I don't mind
    Clothes rip like the incredible Hulk
    I Taco-Snot when I talk
    I do any guy that walks
    When I was little I used to get so hungry I would throw fits
    Sometimes I sit and wish Hemos had a set of tits
    CowboyNeal: "Get behind me CmdrTaco and grab me by my hips"
    If I do that then I can't kiss you on your lips
    By the way if you see my Dad
    Ask him if he seen my spread in Gay House Porno Mag

    Hi, my anus who?
    My anus what?
    My anus gets tapped up
    Hi, my anus who?
    My anus what?
    My anus it's always getting plugged up
    Hi, my anus who?
    My anus what?
    My anus occasionally reamed out
    My anus it needs to be filled up


    Your anus
    Your anus
    Your anus is always getting plugged
    Your anus
    Your anus
    Your anus is always getting stuffed
    You wanna diss us?
    We don't even know you you little bitch
    You wanna sit there and diss us?
    You little bitch I'll slap your face off
    That's what happens when you go up against the Slashdot Trolls trick
    You little bitch (Laughs)
    Gaping Anus!

  36. speaking of blowing it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    Life is strange to say the least. Take the situation that now exists
    between my wife and me. Linda and I have been married almost seven
    years now, but out relationship has changed more in the last six
    months than it did in the first six years. Let me explain how my
    present predicament began. I guess in a sense everything that has
    happened to me has been my fault. I should have left well enough
    alone. you see I'm married to a 25 year old fox of a wife. Her name
    is Linda and I've been with her ever since she was 16 years old. She
    had never known any other man but me and that was fine with me. I'm
    a couple of years older than Linda but not that much more
    experienced in sexual matters than her. Linda was a virgin when we
    meet, and I had only a couple of sexual experiences before meeting
    my wife.


    In any event, our sex life was fine for the first five years and
    then in the next year, I noticed how it kind of tailed off. I
    figured that I could improve our sex life by having us both watch
    and get better sexually educated by watching some porn flicks. At
    first Linda was against it, but she relented and eventually she
    seemed to actually like watching them. It did seem to improve the
    frequency of our sex sessions but then something interesting
    happened.


    As Linda and I were watching a new porno flick I had picked up, she
    seemed to be taking particular interest in Peter North's large
    equipment as he filled some women to the limit with it. The next
    scene showing a black guy with his even bigger cock seemed to
    fascinate her even more. After the move was over, she asked me how
    long my cock was. I told her it was about average and was almost 6
    inches. To tell the truth it's more like 5 1/2" and I've always been
    a little conscious of it being thin as well as a little short.. but
    because my wife had no previous experience it never seemed to matter
    to her before. But now she had seen these monster cocks on the
    screen and she realized, of course, that they were about double what
    I had. I realized I couldn't hide the fact that mine was kinda puny
    from her any longer.


    The subject didn't come up again for a couple of days until Linda
    told me that she had heard that black men all had such big cocks. I
    told her that I didn't think they did and the black guys in the
    pornos were an exception rather than a rule. She changed the topic
    and I thought that was all there was to it. But somehow, I had the
    feeling that she was still curious about the size of black cock.


    About a week later, I finished work early and left for home knowing
    that my wife would be happy to see me home early. When I got there
    I realized her friend, Jane, who lives a couple of houses down from
    us was visiting. As I entered the house they were so deeply into
    there conversation that they didn't hear me come in. She'd
    apparently been sipping wine with Jane almost all afternoon and both
    girls were in a giggly mood. I was about to announce myself, when I
    heard what they were talking about. Jane was telling Linda that most
    black men had really big cocks. Linda was fascinated but told Jane
    she found that hard to believe and that I had said that wasn't true.
    Jane say that she had a black friend who could come over and prove
    it.


    I expected Linda to reject her offer out of hand, but I was
    surprised to hear my wife giggle and say, "Maybe I should find out
    if it's true for myself, huh?" Her curiosity and the wine had
    obviously gotten the best of her. Jane quickly made a phone call and
    then told Linda that he would be over in about ten minutes.


    True to her word almost ten minutes later there was a knock on the
    door. I had walked upstairs and was listening and observing from a
    vantage point that I couldn't easily be seen. I know I should have
    intervened but I was curious about what might happen next. I
    couldn't believe that my wife was really going to inspect this guy's
    dong to find out if he had a really big black cock.


    My first surprise when Jane introduced Linda to Nate was his size.
    This guy was at least six and a half feet tall and probably weighed
    275 pounds contained within a well-built muscular frame. As soon as
    Nate arrived, Jane excused herself so that Nate and my wife, 'could
    get better acquainted'. No sooner had Jane walked out the door, when
    Nate turned to Linda and said, "If you want to check out my
    equipment, we'd better do it private like in your bedroom." My wife
    just looked mesmerized by this big black man and kind of nodded her
    head and said, "Maybe that would be best." I barely had time to slip
    into our master closet before they entered the bedroom.


    He closed the bedroom door behind himself and once inside he
    unzipped his fly and pulled out what must have been at least 12
    inches of man-meat. It was as big as any I'd ever seen in the
    pornos. Linda was totally amazed, I watched as she moved toward it
    and lifted its weighty mass in her hands. "Gawd," she said,
    "Something like this would never fit inside me!" and I had to
    silently agree. "Sure it will," said the black man, "all ya need is
    a little preparation." This was getting serious, I could tell and I
    was about to come out from my hiding place and confront the two of
    them, when I realized how much bigger and stronger this guy was than
    me. I figured that the better part of valor was to stay where I was
    and maybe Linda would just send this guy on his way. No such luck of
    course.


    Linda was still standing there in awe of his massive black cock
    holding it in her hands when he became very aggressive. He pulled
    her to him, kissing her deep, her hand still holding his rod. I
    expected Linda to back away but she didn't. After a few seconds she
    was actually returning his kiss. I watched in shock as he quickly
    stripped her clothes off until she was standing there naked before
    him. "Lie down whitey," he ordered and she didn't hesitate to carry
    out his command. He moved between her legs and with his massive
    hands pulled them apart. I could see her tiny cunt. He moved his
    head toward her pussy and before I could blink, he was eating her.
    The one thing I can always count on to make my wife extra-hot is to
    eat her pussy and so I knew that he'd have her excited in no time.
    Sure enough in just a few seconds, she was moaning and thrusting up
    to get more of his tongue into her hot cunt as he skillfully
    manipulated her. As I helplessly watched she came, and came and came
    until sh e was actually begging him to put it in her.


    As he moved up her body she must have come to her senses because she
    told him he would have to wear a condom. Linda has never wanted
    children and she had read somewhere that prolonged use of the pill
    was not good for a woman and so we have always used the condom as
    our method of birth control. But when she asked him again, the black
    man shook his head, telling Linda that he "don't wear no fucken
    condom," that he "liked to feel his bitches cunt against his cock."
    As he said this he was rubbing her clit with the bulbous head of his
    cock, stoking her fire again. Do you want me to stop now bitch and
    go home he asked. She hesitated for a moment and I hoped she'd come
    to her senses, but my hopes were dashed as she told him to fuck her
    now, with or without anything and that she needed it bad! He grinned
    lewdly, as he slowly began to push that monster into her cunt. I
    could tell it was tight but she kept on urging him to fill her
    completely. when he was about half way into her, deeper than I had
    ever been, he suddenly thrust hard and the remainder of his cock
    entered her to the balls.


    Linda gasped in pain, then as he held burying to the root inside her
    she reached up and kissed him. "Fuck me hard," she said. That was
    all he needed to hear. I could see that hot fuckstick as he almost
    completely pulled it from her, her cunt extended around its girth,
    then he would ram it home. Linda began humping hard up against him,
    telling him how much she was loving it. The black mans butt
    contracted with each thrust and I knew he would come soon. "I'm
    gonna fill your cunt with my black seed," he yelled, "you'd like
    that wouldn't you?" Linda answered, "yes, come inside me, don't take
    that beautiful thing out." Then the black buried himself to the
    balls inside my wife's cunt and as he groaned in orgasm, the cheeks
    of his butt pulsed with every ejaculation he shot inside my wife's
    cunt. "Oh there's a lot for your tummy... lots of baby juice for
    you!" he yelled. Linda continued to pump against him her cunt
    sucking every last bit of it out of his big black cock.


    I suddenly realized that this black man was sending cum into my
    wife's cunt for the very first time. We had always used a condom and
    she was a virgin when we married. I was insanely jealous. But what
    could I do at this point, nothing but watch her as she fucked him
    longer and stronger than she ever had with me. After about a minute
    he slowly withdrew his softening cock. A string of cum clung to it
    and more come began to run out of her abused hole. It was no longer
    closed, it gaped open like a veteran whore's. "Very nice cunt for a
    white bitch," Nate said, "I'll be stopping by everyday for some of
    this, you understand?". "Yes," was all Linda could muster. The
    black man left and Linda laid down to rest. She fell asleep almost
    immediately and I snuck out the closet past her without disturbing
    her.

    I went to a bar and had a few drinks to steady my nerves. I didn't
    know what to do. If I confronted her with it, I knew that our
    marriage might be over. I didn't really want that and I guess I
    finally convinced myself that this was just a phase she'd go through
    and after a while she'd tire of it or get her fill of big black cock
    and our sex life would return to what it used to be.


    WRONG again! That was almost 6 months ago, Linda still doesn't know
    I know, but she will not be able to keep it secret for much longer.
    You see, Linda is five months pregnant. Its definitely not mine.
    She's said to me that there must have been something wrong with one
    of my rubbers and that's how I got her pregnant. I, of course, know
    better. I know that it's definitely black. Since that first time, I
    have watched her many times with her black lover.


    Its painful for me to watch and I don't know how to explain it but
    somehow deep down, I WANT to see her with her ebony lovers. I
    confess that it makes me hard and I have actually jacked-off on more
    than one occasion watching from our closet. Frankly, it's my only
    way of "getting off" now days as I haven't fucked her in five
    months. She has told me that since she's become pregnant she just
    doesn't desire sex. But I know the real reason; I was in the room
    hiding months ago when her black lover told her that she was only to
    have black cock, and not fuck her white husband. Even 5 months
    pregnant she is still taking black cock every day.


    It's been getting worse, Nate has brought a friend with him the last
    several times he's visited and she's been "forced" to service two
    black cocks at one time. She is with him several nights a week,
    using the excuse that she's having a "girl's night out" with Jane.
    I've followed her to a sleazy motel and seen lots of men come and go
    from the motel room that she was in. It doesn't take a genius to
    figure out that Nate is pimping her for his black buddies. I don't
    know what I'm going to do. I suppose there's really nothing I can do
    at this point. In about three months, when a coffee creamed baby is
    born by my wife, I suppose that I'll have to deal with it. Until
    then, I'll just let things ride along as they are!

  37. c'mon, all the cool kids are doing it. by footility · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm sending $10 to the foundation. 299 more of
    the same donation, and they'll have the lawyers
    paid. Come on, it's only $10 bucks -- just skip
    that ${quantity_of_cold_beverage} next weekend ;-)

    If you can afford more... The foundation /is/ a
    501(c)(3) non-profit, so you could get a bit of
    a tax credit on your donation if it is postmarked
    before 31 Dec 2001.

    for full details see: http://freebsdfoundation.org/

    --
    What f*ing box!?!?
  38. Another Question: Penis Length by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Im 22 and my penis is only 3 inches when errect and less than 1 when not errect.
    Could this be due to the fact that I started masturbating at the young age of 9 in intervals of 10 minutes?
    Anyway I can lengthen my penis?
    Please help.

  39. Hm... don't know. by burtonator · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am a big fan of Java. I think my accomplishments speak for themselves. I have done a lot of work under Jakarta and founded two of its core projects.

    That said. I am very upset at what SUN has done to systematically *destroy* Java's potential.

    In 1995 everything was great, Java was going to change the world.

    Then they decided to play games, they pulled out of the standards committees and now there will be no ECMA or IEEE standard for Java.

    Not only that but they have shown that they have NO interest in EVER Open Sourcing Java.

    Every new Java specification is dumped into the JVM as proprietary code.

    I mean I can understand that Open Sourcing a large proprietary product like Java can be hard. Good examples are the Mozilla and Tomcat projects. Proptietary products can end up using libraries that you don't have the license too. Not only that but you have to get sign off from all the morons that think proprietary is the only way to go.

    But SUN *continues* to dump code into the proprietary JVM making it bigger and more bloated than ever before.

    In case Some of you don't know, SUNs MO for extending the VM is to work on a dedicated sub-project outside of the VM and then getting it targeted for the next revision.

    So for example JSSE (Java Secure Socket Extension). This is a external library that can just be plugged into any VM. Instead of releasing this as an external project that has different licensing they just dump it into JDK 1.4 with the same old stupid non-OSS license.

    THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO DO IT SUN!

    I think it is great that FreeBSD can now distribute the JDK.

    It just seems too little too late for me.

    Java has real competition now. They are not the ONLY game on the block.

    Python and C# are going to give you a REAL run for your money SUN.

    So, they way I see it, you have two options:

    1. Loose. C# is an IEEE standard as well as the CLR. When mono is successful no one is going to want to use your proprietary JVM anymore.

    2. *WIN* Open Source license the JVM. Yes... I know it is scarry but this is you ONLY choice. Java still has a lot of great momentum. (*cough* Jakarta *cough*)

    Clearly you aren't interested in the standards process, this is fine. I can't blame you. Standards are not a panacea! Nice to have but not really a requirement.

    So just BSD license it and be over with it. MS isn't going to steal it! They aren't interested in Java anymore.

    What? Aren't going to Open Source Java?

    Fine. I am just going to use C#.

    Sorry if this seemed like a troll. I am just sick of these stupid games :(

    I just want to change the world. Is that so bad :)

    1. Re:Hm... don't know. by markj02 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      C# is an IEEE standard as well as the CLR. When mono is successful no one is going to want to use your proprietary JVM anymore.

      Well, first of all, AFAIK, C# is an ECMA standard, not IEEE. Now, I don't get your complaint. You say that there is a problem with Sun "dumping proprietary libraries" into the Java spec. But the Java language, JVM, and core libraries are as-well specified as C#/CLR, and they are stable. Beyond the core ECMA specs, Microsoft is completely proprietary, with NO free implementation at all and NO decent specs. And there is no guarantee that Microsoft will even stick to their spec--they will likely extend the hell out of what they submitted as a standard. Sun at least writes pretty good specs for what goes into new releases of the Java platform and they give you a free implementation.

      When mono is successful no one is going to want to use your proprietary JVM anymore.

      Why would anybody care about Mono? It's going to use non-standard APIs on a little-used platform.

      2. *WIN* Open Source license the JVM. Yes... I know it is scarry but this is you ONLY choice. Java still has a lot of great momentum. (*cough* Jakarta *cough*)

      That makes no sense either. Why do you care about open sourcing Sun's JDK? Implementing C#/CLR as part of Mono is at least as hard as implementing Java/JVM. Yet, you seem convinced that Mono will be successful. Well, if the Mono people can hack up C#/CLR, why does it matter whether Sun open sources Java/JVM? Why can't someone else just implement a high-performance Java/JVM? And what has Microsoft done for the open source community later? Ever?

      Sun makes available a great implementation under usable license terms. If you want something open source, rather than whining and stomping your foot that they aren't giving you more, go implement your own. Sun has already given you more than Microsoft likely ever will.

      And, in fact, the equivalent of C#/CLR/CLI already exists for Java in open source form in the form of several open source Java compilers, the Intel ORP, and open source libraries. If that functionality is what you or the Mono project are after, you could have had that years ago.

    2. Re:Hm... don't know. by informer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, first of all, AFAIK, C# is an ECMA standard, not IEEE. Now, I don't get your complaint. You say that there is a problem with Sun "dumping proprietary libraries" into the Java spec. But the Java language, JVM, and core libraries are as-well specified as C#/CLR, and they are stable.

      This is a good point, however going to the trouble of standardizing the various components of .NET implies a comitment to sticking with those standards.


      Beyond the core ECMA specs, Microsoft is completely proprietary, with NO free implementation at all and NO decent specs. And there is no guarantee that Microsoft will even stick to their spec--they will likely extend the hell out of what they submitted as a standard.


      I agree that these are mostly advantages for Java however its not very likely that microsoft will break compatability with the spec as far as breaking applications that are complied for, and conform to it. To be fair, the microsoft .NET implementation has not even been released yet, but its clear that the ECMA documents are for the most part workable.

      Why would anybody care about Mono? It's going to use non-standard APIs on a little-used platform.

      Little-used platform (.NET?)? This wont be true for much longer. It has not even been released yet and there is a significantly large community of developers already. People (in significant numbers) WILL care about Mono if it makes porting between windows and other OSes very easy. They will care even more if Mono implements most of Microsoft's "non standard" API's. Since when did Microsoft's non-standard API's ever stop WINE from at least trying to implement anything? I guess you're saying WINE is also useless, along with support for NTFS, SMB, etc etc. The list goes on.

      --

      If a penguin dies in the woods, and nobody is around to hear it, what sound does it make?
    3. Re:Hm... don't know. by rusti999 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Make a clear distinction between specification and implementation. Sun has made the specification for Java open for all to see. JDK is an implementation of the Java platform that happens to be written at Sun. By no means this is the only way to develop and use Java. For instance, you can grab Jikes compiler, compile your Java program, and run it on Jalapeno VM. You are even allowed to write your own implementation of the compiler and the VM. One catch is, if you want your implementation to be certified as 100% Pure Java, you need to pass the Java Compatibility Kit (JCK), which you need to license from Sun.

    4. Re:Hm... don't know. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yes, I will bite on this troll.

      Java is a specification. Sun aren't the only company to release a JDK or JRE - there are hundreds of different companies providing Java environments - IBM being one of them. Kaffe is a free implementation that is 'getting there' after 4 or so years of work.

      If you don't want JSSE and all that, then use a different version of the JDK. Maybe PJava, or J2EE Micro-Edition. The fact is, Java is a platform, and a modern web platform includes code for security and all of the other stuff that is included. .NET will be exactly the same, or lack features in comparison.

      Java lets you code well, quickly, and have software that will run on a wide variety of platforms without recompilation. C# brings the cleanliness of Java to C, but lacks in many areas (and adds in others, to be fair), and code will only run on CLR supporting platforms. And Sun have 5 more years experience of optimising bytecode than Microsoft.

      Yes, Java is a large download. But you only have to do it once - overnight via Modem, or 5 minutes on broadband is hardly a problem. And magazines carry Java development products on them all the time, even if they aren't the most up to date versions sometimes.

    5. Re:Hm... don't know. by macpeep · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "But SUN *continues* to dump code into the proprietary JVM making it bigger and more bloated than ever before."

      Not into the VM. Into the core API. There's a HUGE difference. Of course the two walk kinda hand in hand but that's like saying KDE and Gnome are in the Linux kernel.

      "Java has real competition now. They are not the ONLY game on the block. Python and C# are going to give you a REAL run for your money SUN."

      Umm, C# yes! Python, I don't think so!! Some other people would say Perl, but seriously, they are not in the same league if you talk about industry wide acceptance. C# and .NET will definitely give Java a run for their money though!

      I don't see how being an IEEE standard has any direct correlation with success or failure of a language though. Visual Basic is not a standard of any kind and it's one of the most used programming languages / systems out there. Java is also hugely popular and is also not a standard. JavaScript hasn't become any more or less popular after ECMA made it a standard ("ECMA script"). Or if it's more used now, it's not because web designers would go "oh! it's an ECMA standard!". The list goes on with other technologies too.. Flash (as in web animations) for example.

      "So, they way I see it, you have two options:"
      [snip]
      "2. *WIN* Open Source license the JVM. Yes... I know it is scarry but this is you ONLY choice."

      Time to wake up! Java is doing just fine and even if Sun doesn't have a totally optimal strategy with it, you're living in la-la land if you seriously think that open source licensing the JVM is Sun's "only choice" (you even spelled only in all-caps!). The community process is working fine and Java is just getting wider adoption and acceptance every day. Most new cellular phones that are going to be released in Asia and Europe during 2002 and onwards will come with a JVM built in. More and more web servers and application servers run Java.

      Open sourcing Mozilla did dick all for Netscape. Sure, it is going to produce a nice browser a year from now (five years down the road) when Mozilla completes, but as far as grabbing back market share and battling the competition, it has failed miserably. Check the logs of any major "neutral" web site and you'll see that Mozilla has completely marginal adoption. Neutral here means such sites where the main users aren't gear heads.

      "Fine. I am just going to use C#."

      I saw similar reactions when Microsoft came out with J++. People paniced, accused Sun of "destroying Java" and predicting that Java would be dead within a year, replaced by "Microsoft Java". This was around 1997 or 1998 or so.. Don't remember when exactly. Lots of people were talking about jumping ship. I guess it just goes to show that Sun and the Java developer community might have more of a clue than you think.

    6. Re:Hm... don't know. by bero-rh · · Score: 2

      I mean I can understand that Open Sourcing a large proprietary product like JHava can be hard. [...] Proprietary products can end up using libraries that you don't have the license to.

      This is not even the case for JDK, or at least wasn't 2 years ago.
      The blackdown people and various others have always had access to the source code and could build it without requiring proprietary libs, so it's just a matter of wanting vs. not wanting to open source it.

      100% agreed that they'll lose if they don't make the right decision, and make it soon.

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    7. Re:Hm... don't know. by toriver · · Score: 1
      Not only that but they have shown that they have NO interest in EVER Open Sourcing Java.

      Why should they? It's only ONE implementation of many, and as e.g. IBM has shown, it's not even the best. It's like demaniding that AT&T must "open-source" their C++ compiler in order for GCC to exist.

      If you want an open-source JVM and compiler suite, you are free to write them, but it's not a requirement that it must be Sun's implementation any more than any C++ compiler for Windows must be based on Microsoft Visual C++.

      Python and C# are going to give you a REAL run for your money SUN.

      Um, no. Not at all. Or do you really believe that the hundreds of large companies who write Java software are going to switch languages and lose all the mature libs that exist for Java?

      C# is an IEEE standard as well as the CLR.

      It has been SUBMITTED to the ECMA (not IEEE), but I'd like to see link to info that it actually has been APPROVED as a standard. The last spec document I saw had the entire chapter on exceptions missing, for instance.

      And it's not like it has helped Smalltalk, Ada or CLOS that they are standardized.

      Open Source license the JVM.

      Why? Why can't the OSS community (if such a thing really exists) write one from scratch, like they have for practically everything else?

      Fine. I am just going to use C#.

      You are for all practical purposes saying you're going to use Windows, then.

    8. Re:Hm... don't know. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, it is going to produce a nice browser a year from now (five years down the road) when Mozilla completes

      You couldn't have shot yourself in the head in a more spectacular way. Man, you are living in early 2000... Mozilla *has* produced a nice browser Netscape 6.2 (hell even raw mozilla is ace)... and Microsoft has shot out the legs from Sun and Java with .NET.

      You're over a year out of date pal. By the time you figure out what's really going on, you will already be living in a .NET world and Java will be even more of a joke than it already is.

    9. Re:Hm... don't know. by codingOgre · · Score: 1

      Actually WINE is useless. Name one thing that it is good for? Certainly a real waste of effort. By the time they get Win95 Win32 compat. everyone will have moved on to the newer versions of Win32. E.g. the WINE developers are going after a moving target that they can never catch up to.

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    10. Re:Hm... don't know. by WildBeast · · Score: 1

      I learned Python and now I'm learning C#. They're both pretty damn good.

    11. Re:Hm... don't know. by WildBeast · · Score: 1

      optimised yet so slow, I keep wondering why.

    12. Re:Hm... don't know. by peter+hoffman · · Score: 3, Informative
      It has been SUBMITTED to the ECMA (not IEEE), but I'd like to see link to info that it actually has been APPROVED as a standard. The last spec document I saw had the entire chapter on exceptions missing, for instance.

      The difference between submitted and approved is an important point so I checked for the current status at ECMA where the NEWS link on the front page led to this:

      Assembly met in Montreux on 112the December 2001, and approved 33 revised and 7 new Standards. Among the new Standards, the files of Standard ECMA-334, C# Language Specification, and Standard ECMA-335, Common Language Infrastructure (CLI), are already available in this web site and can be freely downloaded.

      An ECMA TR, ECMA TR/84, related to Standard ECMA-335, has also been approved and can be found here.

    13. Re:Hm... don't know. by Bert690 · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. I tried Mozilla and Netscape 6.2 last week, hoping they would at last provide me an alternative to Netscape 4 or IE. Unfortunately within a few minutes of use it was apparent that they still suck -- bugs everywhere and SLOW as hell. I also tried K-Meleon, the only one I actually left installed. Unfortunately it's also pretty buggy and lacks many important features.

    14. Re:Hm... don't know. by Bert690 · · Score: 1

      Slow comapared to what? C / C++? Sure.

      Far faster (3-4x) than Perl & Python though, at least for the server-side tasks for which I've conducted formal comparisons.

    15. Re:Hm... don't know. by WildBeast · · Score: 1

      I've only tried client-side Java apps and they were slow. For the server-side, the speed may be good i wouldn't know, never tried.

    16. Re:Hm... don't know. by markj02 · · Score: 1
      "Why would anybody care about Mono? It's going to use non-standard APIs on a little-used platform."
      Little-used platform (.NET?)? This wont be true for much longer.

      Mono will not implement .NET--it can't, because there won't be anything like a complete spec for .NET. The Mono authors have already said that they really just care about implementing something that is kind of like .NET, not something that is fully compatible.

      Since when did Microsoft's non-standard API's ever stop WINE from at least trying to implement anything? I guess you're saying WINE is also useless, along with support for NTFS, SMB, etc etc. The list goes on.

      Wine is largely useless: it runs few programs, and almost none of them reliably enough for daily use. Even IBM (with a lot more resources) didn't manage to create a Windows compatible system that was sufficiently useful to catch on. Linux support for NTFS was a herculean effort of reverse engineering, took years to do, and still isn't recommended for writing. SMB is only well documented because it didn't come from Microsoft originally, and Microsoft has been trying to break it ever since (viz their password shenanigans). Yes, the list goes on, and it shows how Microsoft has been trying to use proprietary standards to maintain a monopoly and keep compatible implementations from springing up.

    17. Re:Hm... don't know. by thedarkstorm · · Score: 1

      Instead of complaining about opensource this opensource that. Why don't you explain how open-sourcing Java will make it beat C# and the .NET momentum by simply having it as open-source? If it was standardized, yes I can see that, but simply openening it's source for the JVM? Don't think so. I see no benefit here.

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  40. I WANT TO SUCK MY OWN DICK! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    I wanna be able to suck my entire dick. I can already suck about half of it, almost. I wanna suck the whole thing. Any Tips or methods i could use? Any and all are welcome.

    I am asking you freebsd guy cause I know you would know. All bsd guys suck their own dicks dont they! Admit it they do. Now go suck yo dick sucka!

  41. Hard Memories of "Our" Boys of Summer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Funny

    Hemos and I, CmdrTaco, were both fourteen. We were just getting ready for the end of summer. We had started out the week with a campout down by the pond. It was a warm night and they seldom slept early. Hemos and I had played all the young boy games and discovered jerking off together last summer. Now they seldom lost a chance to take a squirt.

    Hemos was telling me, CmdrTaco, a story of how his older brother Michael had let a kid we both knew give him a blowjob. Michael said he gave JonKatz a ride home from school and was really horny. He said JonKatz could not stop looking at the bulge in his shorts. Michael said it took some real convincing but he got him to take his cock in his mouth and suck it exactly like his other bitch Jamie did.

    I told Hemos he was full of shit that I knew JonKatz and that he didn't look queer. Hemos said his brother said you could never tell who had queer genes in them, but guys who are willing to suck usually who do it. I didn't believe him but the story made me real hard. Hemos had been constantly horny for the last year.

    "CmdrTaco, you want to suck my dick?" Hemos asked, me. "No way, asshole, that thing would not fit in my mouth." said. "Why not?" he asked. "I'm not gonna put a cock in my mouth and be known as a queer like JonKatz," I told him. "You would," he assured me. "You might have the queer genes. And I promise I won't cum in your mouth," he added quickly.

    I just looked at him, not believing what he wanted me to do. I just shook my head, "You are crazy, dude." He looked at me and said, " You can't tell me you don't want to find out what its like." I said quickly, "Not me, you want one go find JonKatz." He smiled as he looked down at his naked hard cock and then up at me, "Maybe I might find JonKatz for a blowjob, but he's not here and you are, CmdrTaco."

    He pumped his cock a few strokes and paused, "Why don't you just try it? I'll put my jockeys back on and you can just put it in your mouth and jerk me off. Any cum will go in my jockeys and your lips won't touch any skin." he added, arguing like he always did.

    "Since you won't really be sucking a cock, it won't be queer, and if you don't like it, we can stop," he pleaded. I looked down at Hemos's cock and my face turned red as I realized he had me thinking about sucking his cock. Both of us knew that sucking dick was sucking dick. I knew that if I took his cock in my mouth even covered with his jockey shorts that he would have me do it again.

    I looked at Hemos's hard dick. I crossed the line when I said, "put your shorts on it." He quickly grabbed his shorts and pulled them over his rigid cock, "Shit yea, I can't wait. Go for it CmdrTaco." I knelt down between his legs as he sat on the ground cloth. I put my mouth over the head of his cock through his shorts. Hemos said, "Wait I want to know what a blow job feels like and he started taking his shorts back off.

    I watched his four-inch cock plop back against his plump stomach as he removed his shorts. I said, "No way, unless you put them on I'm not gonna touch your cock." Hemos started looking around in the tent and came out with a sheer clothe bandana. "How bout this? It will be more like a blowjob and it still will be as if you're not." He wanted me to actually put a bandana covered cock in my mouth yet he was telling me it would not be queer. I had seen Hemos hard before, but this was different. His cock was rock hard and strained in the bandana. I didn't look at Hemos's face as I knelt between his legs again. I became acutely aware of the wetness where precum had soaked through the thin cloth as my mouth covered the place at the tip of his cock. Hemos was waiting, so I lowered my mouth, and I raised my eyes to Hemos's face and I felt his cock twitching and jumping in anticipation.

    I turned my attention to his cock and I felt the wetness as I forced out more precum from the cock head in my mouth. I grasped his shaft and started to jerk him off with just the cloth-covered head in my mouth. I held his cock at the base as I continued bobbing my head and sucking on his cock. The slow sucking rhythm caused him to reach the edge. He was shooting and his cum was going into my mouth. The cloth was so wet that it did not slow down the spurts of cum in my mouth I never had time to think about or to turn away before a volley of jism shot through the cloth. Cum just flowed into my mouth and I don't know why I continued to pump his cock.

    Hemos was silent as I release his cock from my mouth. He said, "See, CmdrTaco, the cloth did the job and all the cum was captured." There was no way to describe how it felt to suck his dick, but it had been unbelievable. "Well do you have the queer gene? Do you like to suck dick? Want to try it like JonKatz did without the cloth?" Hemos asked. I actually got kind of a thrill and yet was embarrassed that I must have swallowed his cum. I never remember spitting it out.

    I told him that the experience had been unbelievable but that I would not do it again. I was glad that I had gone down on Hemos and I knew I would do it again, though I couldn't tell him that. It was less than an hour when he started begging me to do it again. That was fine by me. I think he knew that I was willing. I guess my reluctance was gone, because I didn't have any trouble going down on Hemos again. The second time sucking his dick was easier for me. Hemos started asking me what it felt like while I sucked him. While I was bobbing up and down, with a little more action, Hemos asked me if I wanted to remove the cloth. He said that it was just he and I and he would never tell anyone. He said it was just two dudes experimenting and that he was just joking about the queer genes. I actually wanted to do it yet I was not prepared to go that far. Hemos knew that I liked to suck his cock, yet he knew that it would mean admitting that I was queer if I admitted it and he knew that I wouldn't do that. He had just completed what it took to persuade me to go down on him that night.

    The next week Hemos was busy all the time and he didn't talk about what we had done. I thought he was ashamed and I even noticed that he would get hard sometimes while we hung out together. But would always say he had better leave. I thought that he did not want to be embarrassed around me. It was about a week later when I found why he would leave. He told me that he had come home from our trip and that JonKatz was at his house with his brother. He said that he watched him give Michael a blowjob. He said that JonKatz was always trying to get Michael to let him suck him off again, so he said he let him. Now he sucks Michael off all the time. Hemos said after he saw JonKatz go down on his older brother. He looked at me and said "Shit JonKatz sucked me too. Boy it felt good." He smiled and said, "Almost as good as you suck." Hemos was good at getting me to do whatever he wanted. There was no denying I got off on sucking him and I knew what he wanted me, CmdrTaco, to do next.

    1. Re:Hard Memories of "Our" Boys of Summer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

      Hello there! Are you the person who wrote the story about CmdrTaco, Hemos, and Katz when they were boys and went camping by a lake and gave blowjobs to each other? That story was posted a long time ago. That was great, and so is this. When reading your story about camping, I was banned from posting so couldn't thank you for an entertaining story... Thank You!

      By the way, were you hard when writing these stories?

  42. Java on NetBSD and OpenBSD by wysoft · · Score: 1

    Cool, now this means that NetBSD and OpenBSD can use the Sun JDK and runtimes :) I love the binary emulation.

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    1. Re:Java on NetBSD and OpenBSD by T-Punkt · · Score: 1

      Actually this means that now you have the choice between running the Sun JDK for Linux with binary emulation/simulation or running the Sun JDK for FreeBSD with binary emulation/simulation....

    2. Re:Java on NetBSD and OpenBSD by flynn_nrg · · Score: 1

      I've been running Linux' jdk on OpenBSD for a while, nothing new really.

  43. proof of nigger intelligence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    The following are reputedly comments made on applications for welfare.
    -- I am forwarding my marriage certificate and 6 children. I had 7 but one died, which was baptized on a half sheet of paper.

    -- I am writing to the welfare department to say that my baby was born 2 years old. When do I get my money?

    -- Mrs. Jones has not had any clothes for a year and has been visited regularly by the clergy.

    -- I cannot get sick pay. I have 6 children. Can you tell me why?

    -- I am glad to report that my husband who was reported missing is dead.

    -- This is my eight child, what are you going to do about it?

    -- Please find for certain if my husband is dead; the man I am now living with can't eat or do anything until he knows.

    -- I am very much annoyed to find that you have branded my boy illiterate as this is a dirty lie. I was married to his father a week before he was born.

    -- In answer to your letter, I have given birth to a boy weighing 10 pounds. I hope this is satisfactory.

    -- I am forwarding my marriage certificate and my 3 children, one of which was a mistake, as you will see.

    -- My husband got his project cut off 1 week ago and I haven't had any relief since.

    -- Unless I get my husband's money soon, I will be forced to lead an immortal life.

    -- You have changed my little boy to a girl. Will this make any difference?

    -- I have no children yet, as my husband is a bus driver and works day and night.

    -- In accordance with your instructions, I have given birth to twins in the enclosed envelope.

    -- I want my money as soon as I can get it. I have been in bed with the doctor for 2 months and he doesn't doe me any good. If things don't improve, I will have to send for another doctor.

  44. Microsoft likes this by Genghis+Troll · · Score: -1
  45. C# for Freebsd from Microsoft! by bob1000 · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.microsoft.com/partner/products/microsof tnet/SharedSourceCsharpCLIFAQ.asp

    Couldn't believe it myself. Guess they are just trying to stick it to linux with that "[Freebsd] has historically encouraged unencumbered experimentation" comment.

    1. Re:C# for Freebsd from Microsoft! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Work for *BSD projects and you'll never have that filthy scumbag Richard M. Stallman demand that you add "GNU" to the front of the project's name. Work on Linux-related or other GPL'd projects and you can expect to get that on a daily bases. Refuse and you'll be expected to "kiss the ring" of Stallman before you're ever back in the good graces of the community. Basically, Linux is about as far from freedom as it gets.

    2. Re:C# for Freebsd from Microsoft! by pivo · · Score: 1

      Don't be fooled by it existing for FreeBSD (or any other platform.) It may exist, but it'll never work as well as on their native platform, and it'll never be supported well either.

    3. Re:C# for Freebsd from Microsoft! by kerch · · Score: 1

      Maybe MS is targeting FreeBSD (and only FreeBSD) because it still powers Hotmail?

    4. Re:C# for Freebsd from Microsoft! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More likely it is because windows has been shipping with code borrowed from FreeBSD for as long as I can remember. The BSD License makes it pretty easy to do. Apple was able to build an OS on top or BSD licensed code.

      Microsoft prefers FreeBSD because the minute FreeBSD does something better they can use the code. In that sense FreeBSD is not a 'threat' to Microsoft. It also allows them to try to drive fractures through 'free' software communities.

      However there is a real need for a license like GPL. In the past unprotected 'free' software has been snapped up through legal proceedings. GPL code is protected from this. BSD license doesn't provide any substantial protection against being sued out of existance, but as long as there is a choice between the two people threatining BSD licensed code could face the nasty suprize of finding that they've forced the code developer to switch to the GPL.
      In an ideal world no one would try to patent or copyright code they 'borrowed' from a BSD license code base. Since this isn't an ideal world both licenses have places where the one is preferable to the other.

  46. ascii goatse by Klerck · · Score: -1

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  47. A GPL'ed Java implementation by Genghis+Troll · · Score: -1

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  48. kaffe licensing by sebol · · Score: 1

    Kaffe was originally BSD license, then gpled. is that anything to do with this?
    and i'm wonder why kaffe latest released was on 2000

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    1. Re:kaffe licensing by toriver · · Score: 1
      and i'm wonder why kaffe latest released was on 2000

      Because the only person who cared for the project went to work for Instantiations.

  49. Great... (NOT! JAVA MUST BE DESTROYED!) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do we really need a crappy, proprietary, incomplete, slow and stupid language?

    NO!

    JAVA SUX AND MUST BE BURIED!

    1. Re:Great... (NOT! JAVA MUST BE DESTROYED!) by bsletten · · Score: 1, Troll

      Tell the wardens to take away your posting privilege freak boy. Oh yeah, up the thorazine.

    2. Re:Great... (NOT! JAVA MUST BE DESTROYED!) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well maybe it's a stupid language if you're a VB programmer!

    3. Re:Great... (NOT! JAVA MUST BE DESTROYED!) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No I'm not a VB programmer. I'm an asm programmer.

    4. Re:Great... (NOT! JAVA MUST BE DESTROYED!) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      then you should appreciate the fact that you can learn and use java assembly directly for the VM without learning the language.

    5. Re:Great... (NOT! JAVA MUST BE DESTROYED!) by Free+Bird · · Score: 1

      Java assembly != assembly
      VM != Hardware

      There is no point in using Java assembly, because it isn't more efficient, because using a VM isn't efficient, because the entire concept of a VM isn't efficient, and contradict with the whole idea of assembly. I use asm because it's efficient, not because I think it's 31337 or something.

    6. Re:Great... (NOT! JAVA MUST BE DESTROYED!) by Arandir · · Score: 2

      If no one used Java, then you would be right. But you are wrong because Java is everywhere. It doesn't matter how obsolete or crappy you think it is, so long as other people disagree.

      FreeBSD is the Premier webserving platform. Without Java it's a hardsell to people needing webservers. Without Java a lot of them will stick with inferior W2K. FreeBSD is the number one choice for ISPs. Without Java it's a hardsell for the ISPs to promote their services.

      If you don't want to use Java, no one is forcing you. Don't install it. Don't offer it for your customers. Tell all your customers using Windows that they aren't welcome on your servers. While you're at it, go dig a hole, move in, and rest comfortably in your intranet for one. The rest of us have things to do so get out of the way.

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  50. This is not huge by mrbnsn · · Score: 1
    There is still no support under FreeBSD for Hotspot, Hotspot client, or Hotspot server.

    If you want to actually deploy services (e.g. JBoss), or run desktop apps (e.g. NetBeans), stick to Linux.

  51. Re:Another strike against Jews (VERY ontopic) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    Jews are racist scum...they think that everybody who is not a Jew is an animal. They can't see the difference between a cow and a non-Jew. To them, they are just animals to be sacrificed. Every time the Jews have lived under a host society, they've alienated that society by their claims of racial superiority. "God's choosen race" they claim. The Jews couldn't get along with the Egyptians, couldn't get along with the Germans, and now they can't get along with the Arabs. Every culture that has hosted the Jews has claimed that they use Child Sacrifice, and yet the Jews deny that it ever happens. Even the Chinese, what do the Chinese have against Jews, claim that the Jews that live in their country sacrifice children! And every time the Jews have been run off, the child sacrifices end! Coincidence? It's no small wonder that the world's most dangerous and violent religions (Christianity and Islam) are based on Jewish teachings. Christianity is a tool by which the Jews will enslave the WORLD! Beware!

  52. Re:Jalepeno/Jikes RVM no good for most... (yet?) by Frogg · · Score: 2, Informative
    It's quite likely that most real world Java programs won't run on Jalepeno (aka: Jikes RVM) -- according to the Jikes RVM Q&A Overview

    [...] The Jikes RVM is inadequate for programmers who need a complete Java platform, since it has incomplete functionality. The Jikes RVM does not support many libraries (e.g., AWT, Swing, J2EE), user-defined class loaders, security manager, bytecode verification, and many other features that need to be present in a production virtual machine.

    [...] The Jikes RVM does not provide a complete platform that conforms to the Java Virtual Machine specification.

    [...] It was not written to be a complete Java VM.

    Whilst it would be possible to bring Jalepeno up to these standards of functionality with a team of open source programmers, in reality it was never designed to be a complete JVM (it's a research 'toy') - the work involved to make these changes would not be trivial.

    That said, it is open sourced, and as the old addage goes "where there's a will there's a way".... so perhaps Jalepeno will (eventually) become a full spec JVM?

  53. Now, Netscape don`t have a excuse. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a good news for every FreeBSD User. Now, I think Netscape would not have "Any" Excuse for make a version of their browser (Netscape 6) on this platform. Also Opera should do the same. There are not so many browsers on FreeBSD and with a JDK 1.2, 1.3 or even 1.4 would be better for those companies who want to develop a Browser on FreeBSD. I would like to find a Opera/Netscape 6 on FreeBSD.

    1. Re:Now, Netscape don`t have a excuse. by thedarkstorm · · Score: 1

      Ummm... Opera isn't written in Java. They don't have an excuse.. they just don't want to do it. Because it needs to run java applets? not an excuse...

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