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Mosfet Contributes Code To KDE (Again)
davidsmind writes "Former KDE hacker and creator of the much acclaimed Liquid theme, Mosfet(AKA Daniel M. Duley ) is back in the spotlight. The Dot was the first one with the story.
'Many in the KDE community are aware of some rocky history between KDE hacker Mosfet and other KDE developers. Fortunately, it looks like things have taken a great turn for the better: Mosfet wrote in to tell us that "I've decided to donate 20 effects I ported to KDE/Qt for PixiePlus to KDE3." Waldo Bastian promptly added them to CVS.'" The list of effects is long, impressive, and under a BSD-style license. Mosfet has done a lot of the work that makes my desktop pretty, so I'm very happy to hear about this.
I for one am looking forward to installing KDE3 when it's all good and ready. Both KDE and Gnome have made incredible progress in the last few years. I think that the Open Source desktop systems are advancing much more quickly than any proprietary system. It's only a matter of time before KDE and Gnome surpass (if they haven't already) all proprietary GUI systems as far as appearance and usability go. My only complaint about KDE is that it's all C++, and it takes forever to load on an older computer. As I recall that's a problem with the dynamic C++ linker, and not KDE itself, though.
It would seem that "The Dot" is already fallen under the Slashdot effect.
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Did someone mention BSD? This story is bound to have about 30 or so "BSD is dying" posts from Linux users who recently converted from Windows only 10 days ago.
An old carpenter I worked with almost 30 years ago told me "if it don't come out in the wash, it comes out in the rinsin'".
All of us that use and enjoy KDE owe thanks to those that contribute, regardless of whatever went on before they bring code to the table for us to share.
For those of us not in the know, what's the rocky history?
dot.kde.org is totally /.'ed.
But the icon may frighten off the readers :-)
One of the biggest things to happen to KDE in last year has been the rewrite of KDE's printing support, by Michael Goffioul. No-one goes around proclaiming Michael as a coding god, because he just got on with it and produced something very impressive (and that has got even more impressive in KDE 3).
Similarly for the developer(s) of Kate, KDE's text editor. Or the developers of Konqueror, who have equalled Mozilla with a twentieth of the personnel and a thousandth of the money.
Similarly for all the people that don't code, but instead translate KDE into 15 million languages.
KDE is a true team effort and can do without coding primadonnas.
-- Help Digitise the Public Domain at DP.
When was the last time you tried kde? You could argue that it is slow, but saying that it is buggy is completely untrue.
Buying a Dell computer is equivalent to dropping the soap in a prison shower.
you, ah, seem to have read quite a bit into the story that was not there.
no one's proclaiming mosfet is a god or most important member of the kde project [read: you just said that yourself and got angry].
all that was said was that mosfet wrote Liquid [which is pretty cool].
'kwin' is actually a fairly lightweight window manager. Or do you not know the difference between a window manager and a desktop environment?
-- Help Digitise the Public Domain at DP.
Who the hell cares? Most people just want a nice, fast, stable GUI to get their work done. They don't care if it uses a "desktop" or a "window manager" or any other geek terminology. (Incidentally, this may be the reason most people use Windows.)
Another /.er said:
"KDE can do without coding primadonnas".
Sorry, I think I disagree.
Primadonnas are a pain in the ass, ok.
But in the final count, you must kneel and ask them to come back on stage (hear the fine music about primadonnas from Webber's "The Phantom of the Opera").
Some primaddonnas have a contribution, a good contribution for that matter -- and *we* cannot afford being egocentric -- even and mainly if they are!
In the famous Lee Iacocca autobiographic book, he tells about having colleagues who complained about hardtimes with other people. He used to say, jokingly I guess, "Too bad, this company doesn't hire monkeys, or gorillas or tigers, we just got people!"
And that's it, to put it simply.
KDE is not just about technology. Ok, it is a very advanced project and what I like in the Linux world is that we progress faster than most other alternatives, be it commercial or not.
But KDE _is_ about people, too. Don't throw away competent people. Instead, put some buffer around their idiosyncrasies.
Heck, keep them in an asylum if you need, but don't disregard their work. We lost too many geniuses because they were gay, and now we regret it.
So, get two people, the primadonna and someone who can interface him/her to the world.
Now, to Mosfet and Rasterman, you can sing very well -- but what is a singer without an audience.
Have patience with those who must have patience with you.
From a friend.
Yes, you could argue that KDE is slow, just like you could argue that the sun is a tad warm. It's close, but doesn't quite do justice to the fact.
(posting anonymously because I don't want my moderation of insightful to be undone to the parent comment of the whole thread)
Did someone mention BSD? This story is bound to have about 30 or so "BSD is dying" posts from Linux users who recently converted from Windows only 10 days ago.
'*BSD is dying' posts are dying
Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD-is-dying community when last month slashdot confirmed that *BSD-is-dying posts account for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all posts. Coming on the heels of the latest slashdot survey which plainly states that *BSD-is-dying posts have lost more market share to option E, Cowboyneal, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD-is-dying posts are collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive trolling test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD-is-dying's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD-is-dying posts face a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD-is-dying posts because *BSD-is-dying is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD-is-dying posts. As many of us are already aware, *BSD-is-dying posters continue to lose karma. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD-is-dying is the most endangered of them all.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
BSD-is-dying leader Anonymous Coward states that there are 70 readers of BSD-is-dying posts.
All major surveys show that *BSD-is-dying posts have steadily declined on slashdot. *BSD-is-dying is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD-is-dying is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist trolls. *BSD-is-dying continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD-is-dying is dead.
*BSD is dying is dying
who wanted karma anyway...
would someone mind copying the list of contributions he has recently made here? (the article is nicely /.ed)
thanks!
Mosfet eats the cock! Liquid sucks balls.
The odd thing about open source is that the few who get paid doing it can be just as unreliable as a corporation. Its amazing to me watching how people fall over guys like Mosfet, in gratitude, after he basically walked out on the project a few months earlier saying "its my ball and i'm going home."
I'm still working on a clever footer.
Interesting!
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Nobody doubts the impact Mosfet has had on KDE, but we would be remiss if we neglected the many contributions of Bipolar and Jfet as well.
They too have played a big role in making KDE what it is today.
Maybe he knows. I dont know the difference. What is the difference? Maybe I am missing a lot know, i dont know. Ok, you could use different window mangers in a desktop enviroment, but what else is the difference? Why is KDE so big? It got the K and i can start the apps there and i could configure it an i could use themes... I could do the same things with a window manager, so where is the difference?
I only want to know, i dont want to troll here. It is just a question.
sit "Most people" in front of a computer running KDE and they could actually do things in it.
sit "Most people" in front of a computer running some of the "lite" window managers (like windowmaker, blackbox, icewm, etc..), and they'd be hopelessly lost.
I am amazed by how I absolutely couldn't give one tiny little fuck about this.
GNOME is for cocksmokers.
Get with the program. Kde roxors haxors.
>sit "Most people" in front of a computer running some of the "lite" window managers (like windowmaker, blackbox, icewm, etc..), and they'd be hopelessly lost.
Do you think so?
What is difficult in using icewm? You klick on the button on the left lower corner of your monitor go to programs and start your desired app... hmm, not so difficult. Or is it?
lol, don't you realize that slashdot is a very pro-KDE group? go post your filthy pro-GNOME comments on gnotices.
...another piece of open-source software that poorly mimics an established commercial variant. It has become apparent that where open source is concerned, the ratio of cheap-knockoff to innovative software is highly lopsided.
Go ahead and mod me down as a troll but you know it's true.
Everybody's carrying on as if this is some sort of important event in the history of KDE. The Liquid theme is pretty, but jaysus, it's a friggin' theme! Let's get some perspective.
I don't think icewm should be included in that list, but I think he was right about things like windowmaker and blackbox. another window manager to add to that list is fvwm(2). I've tried for a long time to make a really good fvwmrc, but have failed.
"Is this what Mosfet looks like? Is this him in drag? Who is that in the picture!?"
;) She looks abit kinky, though.
:)
I heard on a numerous occations that Mosfet actually is a woman, so if that is true, no it isn't mosfet in "drag".
.. Or someone might be pulling my leg or something.
Boba Fet(t)
> I don't think icewm should be included in that list, but I think he was right about things like windowmaker and blackbox. another window manager to add to that list is fvwm(2). I've tried for a long time to make a really good fvwmrc, but have failed.
Yes. The only thing i wanted to mention is that there are window managers that could be used by new users and where nobody get lost. Of cause there are window managers too where new user could get lost in.
KDE and GNOME are not the only GUIs that could be used by new users, my girlfriend for example (she is a winXP User) uses icewm when she is at my computer. And she tried KDE and GNOME (and many window managers), but icewm is easier/suitable for her. Dont ask me why, i dont really know, i use enlightenment.
Mosfet Contributes Code to KDE (Again)
[Graphics and Art] Posted by Dre on Monday December 31, @08:34AM
from the one-big-happy-family dept.
Many in the KDE community are aware of some rocky history between KDE hacker Mosfet and other KDE developers. Fortunately, it looks like things have taken a great turn for the better: Mosfet wrote in to tell us that "I've decided to donate 20 effects I ported to KDE/Qt for PixiePlus to KDE3". Waldo Bastian promptly added them to CVS. The new effects include normalize, equalize, solarize, threshold, emboss, despeckle, charcoal, rotate, sample, addNoise, blur, edge, implode, oil paint, sharpen, spread, shade, swirl, wave, and contrastHSV. All will be available under a BSD-type license in the KImageEffect class in kdelibs. According to Mosfet, these effects will be useful not only for image viewers and editors, but also for things like style engines. Except for the simple rotate, Mosfet ported the effects from ImageMagick to work directly on QImages and Qt scanlines. Nice job, Mosfet! (For those who have not yet heard the news, PixiePlus is the successor to Pixie; more information is available here.)
Gnome's purity is much better from an engineers POV. Should come up with beautiful schemes like "Liquid" for Gnome. I just wish Gnome/KDE hackers would learn from BeOS & OSX and cease trying to imitate Windows.
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Watch my fucking show!
I would appreciate it if people would read my opinion on freekde.org... thanks!
--------- The 'gui' in 'penguin' is pronounced K-D-E .
Someone help me out here... This article brought up the point that the code was under the BSD license. However, I don't understand how the BSD and GPL could possibly be compatible. The BSD license states that copyright info must be kept intact, and the GPL has no such stipulation, so it would obviously be illegial to use BSD licensed software under the GPL. Alternatively, the GPL says no software may be released with GPLed code if it imposes additional restrictions beyond those imposed by the GPL itself, so BSD licensed software may not be used in a GPLed program under it's original license.
Did I get something wrong there?
Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
It would be cool, but alas.. it appears (S)he is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
It was the original BSD licence's advertising clause that was incompatable with the GPL. The GPL itself specifies that you must keep correct copyright notices with any work covered by it, so therefore, they are compatable.
quote from mosfet.org: "I also hang out at several goth clubs and have been involved in some performance art shows and a model for several fetish clothing fashion shows in Chicago, IL USA." Those pictures are of HIM and he is in drag. Why you people thought he was a woman is beyond me. P.S. I have no problem with what D.M.D does on his own time.
I'll Sig you!
A few months (a year?) ago, KDE added a small icon to the mouse pointer that animated whenever an app was launching. I considered that tiny act quite innovative -- it solved a usability problem (re-clicking an icon because you think it hasn't launched) that has existed for decades. Now Windows XP does it. Similarly, one of the things I have hated about file managers in many systems (Gnome, KDE, Windows, Macintosh) is that they don't manage files very well. I want to be able to enter a regex into a field and watch the file list shrink to match my entry. I want to have much more fine-grained search control (my Windows box here won't let me search for files modified within the last 5 minutes, only the "last 1 days").
So what's my point? Well, according to Mosfet, "Similiar image finding will be in 0.2 [of PixelPlus], due next week. It is based on findimagedupe's excellent algorithm and uses a persistant database." This is excellent -- it is highly useful for file management. I'd love to see the concept extended. If Konqueror could show me all files of exactly the same size or same file name (can it do this already? I don't see the interface for it), or if it could steal a concept from a Mac app called File Buddy -- it'll find files with the same "bytecode" or "checksum" or something like that -- whatever it is, it seems accurate to me when I use it. I've managed to de-dupe over 40,000 files I have nested in a few folders using that tool. I'd like to see a nice, super-simple interface for sifting through files and weeding out duplicates and near-duplicates. One idea I had to build myself on Linux was a Perl script that would strip all kinds of markup from text files -- XML, HTML, RTF, etc. -- and then compare the actual content, the words, to find the same content even it is marked up differently. The biggest problem is holding it all in memory in a big array. I ended up having the app iterate file-by-file overnight. But I would love to see this kind of file management technology integrated into the file management tools. KDE may be the best hope of seeing this stuff -- they appear to be the ones actually innovating on the desktop in practical, sensible ways.
I love you.
MOSFET has bipolar disorder. One minute he's CMOS, and the next, TTL.
With Winders you got a little hourglass, or some kind of thingy, depending on what you selected. It showed there was activity. KDE goes one step further and displays the icon of the app itself, so you know what is loading.
obviously you have not used KDE and have no idea what your talking about. Dork. I use KDE and I know what it does.
Developer plagiarizes Aqua really, really badly. Film at 11.
Oh, wait, the story this time is: Developer contributes code to KDE. My mistake, obviously that's something that really warranted a story.
Jeez.
Created and designed by people with no taste.
obviously you have not used KDE and have no idea what your talking about. Dork. I use KDE and I know what it does.
You seem to have reading comprehension problems.
I was responding to what the original poster posted. I just explained that. Blame him for misadvertizing KDE -- not me. And stop being a fucking idiot.
Pretty is useful. The better you can make it look, the more the masses will flock to it. On the MS side of things, I feel DOS is much more useful than Windows 3.1, but back in the day that crappy shell got everyday people using the PC. I'm sure much of that was because of "ooh, look at the perty graphics" compared with the monotone command prompt that was DOS.
'nuff said.
...about this guy's sexuality sorted out. How the hell am I supposed to make an intelligent decision about open source GUIs and themes without this information?
do not feed the trolls
ok, than dont tell me.
belive it or not, not everyone in this galaxy knows the difference. I tried to find it out but I dont found so much. Only the thing with look and feel integrated apps, is this the difference? And why is xfce a desktop enviroment, or is it only the fakt that you could load the xfce panel into any window manager? Please someone tell me the difference if you all know it, it couldnt be so hard to explain.
I can't find Mandrake RPMS on the site and am having problems building the source. Anyone know if there are any Mandrake packages somewhere?
Ciryon
All a window manager does is manage windows. No file manager, no web browser, no panels.
Both KDE and Gnome (and XFCE) are desktop environments, and include within them a window manager (kwin for KDE, sawfish for GNOME, xfce's built in windowmanager for XFCE).
Both the KDE and Gnome environments work perfectly well using different window managers (a lot of people used to run KDE with the Blackbox window manager, as with Gnome and a window manager called Enlightenment).
-- Help Digitise the Public Domain at DP.
Ok, thank you! I hoped it was some great thing... but doesnt matter. Is IceWM only a window manager or a desktop environment? It has a panel but no such other own apps like a webbrowser or file manager. Or could the icewm panel not be used with other window managers and thats why it is only a window manager?
Thank you for the explanation.
So, this guy basically makes a theme that makes KDE look like Apple's Aqua and you guys are making him out to be some kind of a hero?
Did you do the same for the guy that ripped off Windows' look?
I have a website. It's about Macs.
Sorry, you loose, there's way too many shortcomings in konqueror to call it equal to mozilla. It's ahead of ie6, but that's about it.
Konqueror's biggest fault is 0 javascript. I have made really clean javascript code that spans from ns 3.0-mozilla 0.9.7, and it doesn't even start to run on konqueror.
If you really don't like the bloat in mozilla, check out skipstone, it's like galeon, but it actually delivers.
"And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the World"
1 John 4:14
I'm in the same boat as you. :)
:)
Once you're a minor celebrity, news sites continue reporting things about you even though you may not matter anymore.
Now that mosfet's back with contributing code to KDE, maybe that cool copyright-infringing aqua look is going to come back. KDE looks great in aqua.
Man, how many times does this poor guy have to die? Isn't it bad enough that his asshole is so wide you could drive a freight train through it?