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iPod Dissection and Review

Mister Man writes "I saw over at AnandTech that there is finally a decent iPod review out there. Not only does the review include screen shots galore, they also have some pretty cool pictures of what is inside that pretty little box. Also discussed is information on how to connect an iPod to a Windows based PC. Check out the article for the real deal. Sadly, it doesn't seem like there is Linux based software yet."

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  1. linux and the iPod by sboss · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I run linux and just got an iPod ofr christmas. I was ready to hack at it to get it to work. The biggest problem is that the HFS+ drivers is "read-only" only. Until we can progress the drivers to be able to "read-write", we are stuck. There is some good Windows software. Ephpod (free software) with MacDrive/MacOpener (commerical) combo works great.

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    1. Re:linux and the iPod by S.+Allen · · Score: 3, Informative

      There is a good collection of information here on efforts to get the iPod working with Linux. It's not just a matter of HFS+ support, but also reverse-engineering the iTunes database format.

    2. Re:linux and the iPod by lowdozage · · Score: 2, Informative

      Maybe this will help

      http://neuron.com/~jason/ipod.html

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  2. HFS+ by HalfFlat · · Score: 5, Informative

    If I understand it correctly, what is holding iPod on Linux back is the lack of HFS+ support.

    While HFS+ read support seems to be up and working (more or less), HFS+ write support is just not there. It's been on wishlists for years, but so far no luck.

    Can anyone say what the stumbling block is? Is it lack of or misleading documentation? Is it a patent issue?

    Is there code in Darwin that could be legally borrowed and turned into an HFS+ module?

    1. Re:HFS+ by Mister+Snee · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As far as Apple goes, they've done a fairly good job of documenting HFS+. The main problem seems to be that despite the information available about it, HFS+ is just not a very fun filesystem to write code for, and at the moment nobody's being offered any money to do it.

      Basically, freelance kernelspace hackers would rather mess with, say, ReiserFS than put a lot of time and effort into a rather obfuscated filesystem which they don't see becoming mainstream any time soon.

    2. Re:HFS+ by Howie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      they don't see becoming mainstream any time soon.


      I think it's safe to say HFS is more 'mainstream' than ReiserFS!

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    3. Re:HFS+ by Mister+Snee · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's true, but ReiserFS has the obscure hackish charm to it, whereas HFS+ is just another boring, corporate-designed filesystem with a standard implementation platform. ;) I can only speak for myself, but I'd rather be wasting my time for kicks than using it intelligently on a project that bored me. Which might explain why I haven't found a new job yet...

    4. Re:HFS+ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Open Source programmers often have an "I can do this better than you" attitude. (Which isn't surprising; everyone has that attitude). There are 3 BSDs, quite a few window managers, multiple desktop environments, thousands of mp3 players, and everybody and their brother writes (or at least starts to write) a new X11 widget set.

      So it's no wonder someone would rather create a new FS than improve the implementation of an old one. When existing code is improved, it's because the app has a 'cool' factor, or the person recognizes it would be easier to modify than write new.

      HFS+ is fairly well documented (if you poke around on Apple's web site), and the public darwin source includes the hfs fs (read/write obviously) as well as hfschk. Some of the code use NewPointer (#defined to malloc), and other Macisms or NeXTisms though.

    5. Re:HFS+ by fetta · · Score: 2, Informative
      If I understand it correctly, what is holding iPod on Linux back is the lack of HFS+ support.

      The article actually makes clear that reading and writing HFS is only part of the problem. The other part is making it work with the music database on the iPod. Otherwise, it's just a (very nice) portable hard drive.



      Take a look at the page that describes Mediafour's attempts to support the iPod on Windows.
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    6. Re:HFS+ by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      It's not safe to say that at all actually. Any such claim in either direction is pretty absurd. Both come from niche systems.

      OTOH, ReiserFS at least has the better potential to propagate due to it's more open and less archaic nature.

      If HFS+ was "more mainstream" there would be other operating systems with the capability of dealing with it. (IOW, ipod would not be mac only)

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    7. Re:HFS+ by baboyer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, I feel particularly qualified to answer this one, being the official maintainer of the linux-hfsplus project. :)

      Honestly, I don't have an iPod, and I started working on HFS+ support for Linux about a year and a half ago, so unless someone feels like giving me an iPod as an incentive, the pace isn't likely to be affected much.

      In theory I could look at the Darwin source, but I wanted to avoid any possible issues just in case some come up later. I've been working entirely from the official Apple documentation (which isn't too bad, but isn't perfect) and from drive images that I've created to try out various things.

      My main stumbling block is strictly a lack of time. I finally found the time to get read support fairly stable (take a look at http://sf.net/projects/linux-hfsplus), but I haven't had time to write enough code to actually handle updating the filesystem properly. It's a mess because it's a very non-UNIX filesystem, and there is a lot of manipulation that has to happen to make it act like ext2 or ufs.

    8. Re:HFS+ by bojolais · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's a physiological problem. As soon as the last few developers read to the resource fork portion of the spec, they vomited to the point of dehydration.

    9. Re:HFS+ by mr100percent · · Score: 2

      Good point, but here are some better numbers to corroborate your arguement. The "3-5%" statistic everyone throws around is just what % of new computers sold are Mac.

      Macs outlast the PC counterparts. The secretaries here still use a mac Classic, while the others spent thousands upgrading their PCs more than once since. In actuality, close to 20% of computers being actively used today are mac. The iMac's 6million+ sales are making that higher.

  3. you dont need the software by Snuffub · · Score: 2, Informative

    if you can write to an hfs+ drive you dont need any special software, the iPod keeps it's music in a hidden folder called `music` right on the drive, just drop your mp3s in there and you can play them.

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  4. Re:fp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Of course there's nothing Creative! They don't make the iPod, Apple does.

    Silly first poster, Creative makes Nomads.

  5. iPod, iPod, iPod.... by mblase · · Score: 2, Troll

    I'm a little fascinated by Slashdot's ongoing fixation on this device. I mean, it is Apple-only at this point (Mediafour's PC-compatability efforts notwithstanding) and no one seems to be talking about Linux interactivity at all, aside from suggestions on how to basically hack into the hard drive. People keep saying it's expensive, that nobody will want it, and yet the local nerds keep bringing it up.

    My only theory as to why is because it may not be Linux-y, but it's still a fascinating device. Aside from the technical challenges involved in accessing it from Linux, it's still a totally unique approach to MP3 players, from the interface to the controls to the expandability to the super-high-speed FireWire. It's Apple, which means it's about as proprietary as they come, but the geeks keep wanting to take it apart and make it work for them.

    And I don't think it's because they want to break the proprietariness. Apple does that for convenience (theirs), not to lock people out, and anyone with a FireWire port on their Linux box and enough software-writing experience can eventually get it to sync with their favorite MP3 player. Microsoft locks down their software and people hack it because they don't like being told "no." Apple does it to sell iMacs, and people hack it because they don't want an iMac.

    But what that means is they do want the iPod. If it weren't so expensive, I don't doubt it'd be Linux-ized already. Hopefully next year it'll be $100 less with a 10GB model replacing it, and we'll see a little more hacking going on.

    But to me, this sounds like a success story for Apple. Yes, we all know its pricey and proprietary, but Slashdotters just can't seem to keep their eyes off of it. And if Apple can draw that much drool from the free software community, I think it's proof positive they know what they're doing.

    1. Re:iPod, iPod, iPod.... by kartiknarayan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      First off Slashdot is not Linuxdot. I think that over the years, there is a fair number of OS's represented here, including (horrors!) Windows. Remember "News for Nerds"? There are other OS nerds too you know!

      Second, what's your point?

    2. Re:iPod, iPod, iPod.... by squaretorus · · Score: 5, Funny

      The real reason we all want an iPod is that we want to be able to dance like this dude!

      He must be beating the chicks off with a stick!

    3. Re:iPod, iPod, iPod.... by hoggy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm a little fascinated by Slashdot's ongoing fixation on this device. [...] My only theory as to why is because it may not be Linux-y, but it's still a fascinating device.

      Err... I think that pretty much covers it.

      Since when did Slashdot become "News for Linux Weenies"? I thought this was a tech-head site. The iPod is most definitely a very cool toy from a techy perspective, which means it falls within the remit of this site.

      In general you may have noticed that Apple are appearing increasingly frequently on Slashdot, which I guess means that they are doing things that are increasingly interesting to tech-heads, which I think is a good thing for Apple.

      There were the same people harping on about the new iMac posting, saying what does it have to do with Slashdot. But any story that can generate a 1000 comments is clearly of interest to Slashdotters.

      I use Linux too, but hey, take off the blinkers.

    4. Re:iPod, iPod, iPod.... by laserjet · · Score: 2

      Since when does Slashdot talk about OSes other than Linux?

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    5. Re:iPod, iPod, iPod.... by sulli · · Score: 3
      It's because a ton of slashdot readers own Macs, and many of the Linux fans who don't are legitimately interested in learning from Apple about how to be a successful alternative to the Windows PC.

      Think you don't want it? Think again. I LOVE my iPod - I use it every day, in the car, walking to work, even at home when I'm in the living room and don't feel like bringing CDs or my Powerbook to the stereo. The convenience and size and weight make it worth every penny.

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  6. Doh! I knew I should have been doing this... by Tsar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As with all other song information on the iPod, the artist information comes from the MP3's ID3 tags, which it pulls and stores in a database for easy access.

    Am I the only one whose ID3 tag info is sorely lacking across his entire collection? Either I've got a lot of work ahead of me before I'm iPod-ready, or some benevolent /.'er will reply with info about a tool that will automate this process, thus radically simplifying my purchasing rationalization^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H decision.

    ...Anyone?

  7. um, no by awharnly · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just dropping the mp3s onto the iPod hard disk doesn't allow you to play them.

    The iPod keeps track of everything in a song database; you need to figure out how to create and modify this database in order for the iPod to recognize and play songs.

  8. Re:Doh! I knew I should have been doing this... by yumyum · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yeah, this is way offtopic, but here goes:

    I have the iPod, and love it. My only gripe with it is that names/albums are sorted with any existing 'A' or 'The' at the beginning of the string. If I want to play something by The Jam, I intuitively scroll to the Js, not the Ts. At least with iTunes, I can do radical ID tag surgery before I rip the CD...

  9. Re:Doh! I knew I should have been doing this... by Pope · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I had to get into completing my ID tags a *long* time ago, because the MacOS only supports 31 character filenames (X will do 255, but this was 1998-ish), so a filename like "various_artists_pulp_fiction_soundtrack_02_dick_d ale_miserlou.mp3" would come out like "various_artists_pulp_ficti.mp3" and that doesn't really tell me a whole lot, does it? :)

    I push for folks using the ID3 tags for this reason, and for a more important, non-platform related one: if the tags are complete, there are tools that will rename the file to whatever the hell YOU want.
    Don't like album_artists_song_track? How about album_track_song? or year_song_artists_album_track? or any combo of the above? If the tag's there, and more importantly COMPLETE and CORRECT goddamit, you have the option. With no tags, I'm gonna go fill them in anyways, so why not just put them there when ripping? There are a zillion programs that will cddb or freedb lookup for ya.

    Heck, even if all your songs are album_artist_track_song or whatever, there should be tools available that will translate those into meaningful tags. Just don't ask me about em cuz I don't know. :)

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  10. Audio quality? by mccalli · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It is my impression that reviews of MP3 players, the iPod included, have typically talked about it as if it were purely some sort of mini-computer. Features alone get discussed, and that Anandtech review is no exception.

    However, this is an audio device. Why so few reviews discussing its audio quality? How does it stack up to, say, a decent quality mini-disc player? Not in terms of tech features, but just quality of sound?

    My own opinion? I love the look of it, and most particularly the size of it. I'm one of those who will need to wait for XPlay, but that looks to be coming along nicely. My only quibble is that I'll still need to get an FM radio - it would have been great had an FM radio been included. People still need to find out about new or different music as well as listen purely to their own collection.

    However, once XPlay is publicly working with playlists and deletes, an iPod is likely to be in my pocket before the week is out...

    Cheers,
    Ian

    1. Re:Audio quality? by laserjet · · Score: 2

      Hey, man, don't forget AM radio! I want an mp3 player like the iPod with AM/FM radio to boot. I am a news and talk radio junky, and need my AM radio.

      You know what sucks about AM radio though? I happen to work in a big server room, and all the AM RF interference makes it nearly impossible to listen to AM radio. I am thinking about getting an FM transmitter and locating an AM radio remotely then re-transmitting in on the FM band somewhere. It's either that or record everything and playback later (a real pain).

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    2. Re:Audio quality? by Jordy · · Score: 4, Informative

      The audio quality on the iPod is ok. My biggest gripe is the headphone jack appears underpowered and there appears to be some noise introduced in the signal. Granted, it's nowhere near the noise levels of a laptop, but it's there.

      Now I do have some problems with the quality of iTunes; the peice of software you use to manage the iPod (yes, you can do it directly, but come on, insert cd, hit import, plug in iPod; it can't get any easier.)

      A friend of mine noted that iTunes's MP3 encoder has some problems with introducing artifacts into the audio. I honestly didn't believe him until he took an MP3 he encoded with LAME and directly compared it to one encoded with iTunes and sure enough, at the beginning of the song where there should have been silence was a warping of audio which I now notice during playback.

      iTunes also has the interesting problem (though it's probably more of a CDDB fault) of not supporting UTF-8 in ID3 tags, so foreign CDs are either romanized or are in a character set not understood correctly.

      In my opinion, the iPod is the best portable MP3 player out there for it's size. It doesn't make a good companion while exercising, but for long train rides, it can't be beat.

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  11. XPlay? by Black+Perl · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why oh why did they call the Windows software XPlay?

    I guess we'll have to call the Linux X-Windows version "WinPlay".

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    1. Re:XPlay? by Sc00ter · · Score: 2
      Because of Mac OS X

    2. Re:XPlay? by cygnus · · Score: 2
      Because of Mac OS X


      so is it pronounced "Ex-play" or "Ten-play"?

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  12. Windows iPod? I think not. by Chief_Wahoo · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The authors of this article seem to think Apple is hard at work on the Windows version of the iPod (or at least should be). While I don't doubt that a PC market for the iPod exists, I am skeptical that Apple will enter it. I'm assuming, btw, that by "Windows version," the authors mean a different hardware configuration, rather than a firmware upgrade.

    A couple of reasons...

    -Apple's marketing strategy revolves around the idea of the "digital hub." The iPod (and iTunes) are a major component of this strategy. Note that these commodities are exclusive to Apple. By producing a Windows version of the iPod, both Apple and Windows users would be able to experience the same great music experience. Apple wants to distinguish itself from the rest of the PC market, not cater to it. Making the iPod Mac-exclusive serves as an incentive for users to go Mac.

    -Practically speaking, in terms of both production and support, Apple would be inviting trouble on itself by producing a PC version. Though Apple has tinkered with PC products before, everyone would agree it is not their forte.

    -Why produce an entirely new version of the iPod when Windows users, granted with an extra cash outlay, already will be able to use the original? Simply because Firewire isn't standard on PCs yet? Please.

    1. Re:Windows iPod? I think not. by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      This sounds more like a return to the days of proprietary apple-only hardware than a good counter to the fact that "everyone develops for DOS". It might make a compelling cheer for apple cheerleaders but it won't convince anyone else.

      Apple's just trying to lock you into their hardware jail like they did with MacPlus era hardware. Big deal.

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    2. Re:Windows iPod? I think not. by gig · · Score: 2

      > Apple's just trying to lock you into their
      > hardware jail

      Gimme a break! Windows PC's don't generally even have FireWire yet. Apache also doesn't run on Windows, but it's not because the Apache developers want to put you in UNIX jail, it's because Windows does not have the balls to support it.

      When most Windows PC's have a) FireWire, b) music management software, c) CD burning hardware/software, d) plug and play hardware (not Plug 'n' Play(TM), but actual plug and play, like on Macs), and e) stability, then you can accuse Apple of elitism. As it is, Apple is just making a great product for the only platform that can currently support it. They said at the iPod launch that they put the product together from scratch in 8 months. How long do you think they should have delayed it so that they can patch Windows and test iPod with every strange combination of 1394 hardware/software that's out there on Windows PC's? (Sony's 1394 doesn't even have power, which the iPod requires.) It is much better for them if they vet it to run on their systems, and leave fixing Windows to either Microsoft or a third-party who will charge extra and answer the support calls.

      Apple didn't complain to Richard Stallman that there was no emacs for Mac OS 9. Instead, they built UNIX compatibility into Mac OS X and now they ship emacs with the OS. They put Java2 in there so we can run Java2 apps. If the Windows PC platform can't support iPod, then complain to Microsoft, don't knock Apple or make up conspiratorial subplots about them to explain why your new Windows PC turns out to be a few years behind the curve.

  13. Re:Doh! I knew I should have been doing this... by joshwa · · Score: 5, Informative

    My current favorite is ID3-TagIT. It lets you go back and forth from filenames to tags in both directions, supports batch tagging and batch renaming, upper/lower case correction, id3v1<->id3v2, automatic sorting into folders, etc. It's very comprehensive and easy to use.

  14. http://giantlaser.com/~jason/ipod.html by bowa · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:http://giantlaser.com/~jason/ipod.html by rho · · Score: 2

      This proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that I am not a hacker.

      I would *so* buy a used iMac from eBay before I'd go to all that trouble to make a $400 mp3 player work (sort of) on GNU/Linux.

      How many hours will be burned in getting it to work? 5? 10? 50? As long as my time is worth at least $20/hour, I'd just buy a damned computer.

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    2. Re:http://giantlaser.com/~jason/ipod.html by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 2

      Isn't this sort of weird? It's good weird, but weird.

      Apple probably pays 3 or 4 people good money to do this, but they want to reverse engineer it and do it again, re-invent the wheel.

      While it's arguably a waste, it also provides robustness through diversity. If they figure out something Apple hasn't, Apple can quickly adopt it. When Apple does something they cannot, it shows that their understanding and implementation is flawed.

      What would be good is if these people could get hired by, say, Creative, to create an iPod killer.

  15. Homer Reference #1242 by horati0 · · Score: 3, Funny

    The first item that jumps into view upon dissecting the iPod is the battery. Made by Sony-Fukushima, the battery is a [...]

    I couldn't help, after reading that, of thinking of the time Homer was looking at a globe and pointed to Uruguay...

    "Heh heh.. You are gay!"

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  16. Copying MP3's from iPod by pemerson · · Score: 3, Insightful
    According to the article:
    One feature that will not be added is the ability to copy files from the iPod. Apple designed the iPod as a one-way device when it comes to music, meaning that it was only designed to accept MP3 files but not to send them back to a computer. Apple's iTunes software does not allow the user to copy MP3 files from the iPod to a Macintosh, and in a similar manner Mediafour's XPlay software will not allow the user to copy MP3 files from the iPod to any PC. Copying MP3 files off the device is not a difficult feature to implement, but Mediafour decided to respect Apple's wishes with the iPod and maintain the copy protection feature.
    But, according to http://www.macobserver.com/article/2001/10/29.4.sh tml:
    In other words, by turning off the automatic sync functions and saying "no" when asked if you would like your iPod library erased, you can simply drag and drop your iPod music files from iTunes to another Mac.
    So why has Mediafour "decided to respect Apple's wishes" when Apple's own software allows the copying of MP3's to different Macs?
  17. EphPod by Mr_Silver · · Score: 4, Informative
    There is another way to connect the iPod to a Windows machine. Its called EphPod and you can get it from here.

    You need MacDrive or MacOpener to be installed too but if it allows me to copy MP3's from an iPod to the PC (which neither XPlay or iTunes allow you to do) then its going to be a winner.

    ps. Yes I know why they've done it but its something I (and probably others) would find useful whatever your moral standing.

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  18. iPod won't be anything but mac from apple by Lally+Singh · · Score: 4, Informative

    Apple's making alot of money from the iPod, and not just from the device's sales. The iPod is bringing in people to the Apple Store, where many of them end up buying Macs. 40% of the Apple Store's computer buyers don't already own macs.

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  19. My only problem. . . by foo+fighter · · Score: 2

    . . . with Apple's products is that they are too trendy and hip.

    I picture my living room with an iMac in it, or at the gym with an iPod and just shake my head. Is that not the most conspicous of consumption or what?

    Driving around a midwest hamlet in my Saab is bad enough; if the locals see me with an alien looking device in hand I might just get run out of town!

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  20. "fatal flaw in the iPod design"? Please. by fhwang · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This review is nice and informative, but I can't help but scoff at the sentence (on the first page) pointing out the "fatal flaw in the iPod design": It only works for MacOS.

    "Fatal flaw in the iPod design"? Give me a fucking break. "Pain in the ass for Linux and Windows users", sure. But to imply that it's a design flaw would be to say that somehow Mac exclusivity was not in the designer's plans. I think it's fairly bloody obvious why Apple would design a cool peripheral that could only be used with its own OS. It's not by accident, or by poor design. It's 100% intentional.

    That's like saying "Puccini's Turandot is a great opera; its fatal flaw is that it's not in English".

  21. My iPod by jamesoutlaw · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've had my iPod since late October and I love it. It has worked flawlessly and live up to all of my expectations. I was afraid of how sturdy it would turn out to be, but I've managed to drop it a few times (once from about chest height) with no ill effects. My Rio 600 was totally destroyed after being dropped from the same height. I only have 2 complaints:

    1. The stainless steel back does scratch easily... mine was scratched after just a couple of days of carrying it in the pockets of my coats and jeans. Still, though, peple see it and say "hey, is that one of those Apple MP3 things?"

    and ...

    2. I don't really like the earbuds. I can't wear them for more than a few minutes without getting sore ears. No big deal, though, I just got some head phones. I've never found any earbuds that I like, however, so I was not expecting to be happy with the ones that come with the iPod.

    It works great in FireWire disk mode as a quick backup disk or as a quick way to transfer large files from one Mac to another. I've read about people who have booted their Macs from an iPod, but Apple does not recommend doing that. I believe that it's because the internal disk was not designed to spin for long peroids of time or to hold up to frequent reading and writing. I don't know for sure, but that's what I am guessing.

    The battery life is stupendous and actually exceeds the 10 hours that Apple lists in the specs. I listen to mine at work all the time and it never drops below about 50% or so.

    Some people have complained about the lack of an on-board equalizer, but you can do that in iTunes and the settings are applied to the MP3 file & the iPod recognizes them when the file is transferred so that's not really a big deal.

    It does get a little warm... when it's been playing for a long period of time. Nothing like the G3/G4 PowerBooks though.

    All in all, it's the best MP3 player I've seen. Sure, it's only a 5 gig hard drive, but the ease of use more than makes up for that minor shortcoming.

    1. Re:My iPod by laserjet · · Score: 2

      I definatley agree with you about the sore ears. Almost all of the "bud" style headphones give me sore ears. Some are better than others, but I still prefer the old 1980's style headphones. they mess up your hair sometimes, but since when do geeks care about appearance?

      some of the other newer headphones types work pretty good, though, like the kind that kind of wrap around the back of your ear. Do some of us just have more sensitive ears? Other people I know wear ear buds all the time and don't complain, but my ears hurt and I get a headache.

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    2. Re:My iPod by Teferi · · Score: 2

      One of my friends installed OS X on his iPod and carries his personal system around with him - he can just boot off it on any of the macs in any of the labs and have his environment almost anywhere on campus - from a pocket sized device. Kind of nice.

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  22. Re:Gaack! Hideous Mac Garamond Font Again! by Decimal+Dave · · Score: 5, Informative

    That font is actually an old typeface called Chicago, and looks nothing like Apple Garamond. It does make the iPod look more Mac-like, though in a retro sort of way (Apple hasn't used that font in years). I imagine the reason it was selected for the iPod is the same reason the old Mac OSs used it. Their UI research determined that Chicago was superior as a screen font in terms of readability and the thicker appearance also made it easier on the eyes; remember this is long before GUI-level antialiasing was available.

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  23. No iPod for the PC, what a shame... by iJosh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I know this is practically flamebait here but, look at it from this perspective. Out of all the MP3 players out there, which platform did they work for first? That's right, you got it, more than likely Windows. So Apple comes out with the iPod and everyone whines and complains that the small shiney new toy doesn't play well with windows. Yeah I'm sure that's Apple Computers number one priority, right along with handing out iMovie, iDVD, iTunes and now iPhoto to windows users too. So you are all whining because Apple is playing favorites for the people who actually BUY their computers?

    Windows users, usually get everything in the computer industry first with the exception Apple stuff, and open source and there are reasons for this. Windows users make up the largest share of the consumer computer industry, so they have all the deals to get everything for windows first becuase that's where the majority of the money will be made for the companies that make that hardware/software/printer/scanner/whatever.

    So you windows users are going to complain when the other team has something that some of you think is better that they aren't being fair? I'm sure some company will make a knock off for you soon enough.

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    1. Re:No iPod for the PC, what a shame... by gig · · Score: 2

      > aim for the miniscule graphic design
      > market -sell your machines at a heavy
      > discount to schools and universities

      Somebody's got to make computers for artists and students.

      > don't make a decent OS until it's too late

      As opposed to Microsoft's "don't make a decent OS at all".

      > all of the great innovations out of the Mac
      > camp (many of which were lifted from
      > Xerox, btw)

      Many? The Mac platform is 20 years old and has shaped graphical computing. The Xerox stuff that Apple bought (bought, not lifted) didn't even have overlapping windows, pull-down menus, drag and drop, and many more things that you think it had simply because it "had a GUI". Some very talented people invented that stuff while they were working for Apple, and it's a shame that so many people keep giving Xerox the credit. Xerox' stuff culminated in being sold to Apple so that it would see the light of day at some point, so it would get out of their RESEARCH CENTER and make it into a product. Apple's stuff became a successful computer platform upon which such artworks as the entire Nine Inch Nails catalog were created. But, yeah, I guess you're right, we owe it all to Xerox, don't we?

      > but then start these ill-concieved
      > Apple Stores

      At Macworld, Steve Jobs pointed out that the 80,000 people who were going to attend the four-day trade show were dwarfed by the 800,000 people who attended "mini-Macworld Expos" at Apple Stores in the month of December 2001 alone. The fact that they sold 40% of the systems out of the Apple Store to people who had never, ever owned a Mac before tells me that these stores will be long-term successes. The stores themselves almost broke even, in spite of the bad economy, world events, the cost of building them in the first place, and also the transition from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X (which is almost complete). Apple's core customers have not even weighed in yet, with Photoshop and Pro Tools and other staples not yet Mac OS X native. Apple has those upgrades and also iMac upgrades to look forward to, as well as more and more defectors from Microsoft.

  24. The iPod sells iMac's. by Above · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've wanted an iPod since they came out. They are small, work extremely well, and produce good sound. Even with the high price, they are worth while. Of course, the problem is you really need a Mac to make all the bells and whistles work. This isn't a problem for apple though.

    Between the iPod, the ease of creating a home DVD (iMovie, iDVD, + third party high end stuff, if you need it), manipulating pictures (iPhoto) and organizing your music (iTunes) Apple has got it right. I used to be a Mac lover, and now I'm ready to become one all over again. After seeing the new iMac in the store (which will fit on the kitchen desk, something my PC never has done) I'm going in whole hog.

    What does that mean for apple? Well, they will get me for an iMac plus an iPod. Additionally someone (cannon, likely) will get a MinDV and a new still digial camera out of it. The digital hub is here, and is only going to get better.

    The hold up for the Mac has always been other software. For my needs that's all there as well now. There are good ssh clients and terminal emulators. Office works, better than windows in fact. IE is available (yes, for web work you have to have it). Heck, there are even respectable games these days.

    I think Apple is on the comeback, and I think their digital hub is a smash hit idea, both for the home user who "just wants it to work", as well as for the geek who "just wants the mundane to work" so he can get on with the cool stuff.

    1. Re:The iPod sells iMac's. by imadork · · Score: 3, Informative
      The hold up for the Mac has always been other software. For my needs that's all there as well now. There are good ssh clients and terminal emulators.

      Remember, OS X (which is what you'll be greeted with upon buying your new iMac Desk Lamp) is Unix under the hood, and ships with telnet and ssh out of the box!

      This ain't the Mac OS you remember!

    2. Re:The iPod sells iMac's. by Above · · Score: 2

      I think there are a lot of people who want to support apple, but haven't seen the products that allow them to spent their hard earned money on that project.

      The Mac has always been superior to Microsoft offerings. Unfortunately that's not enough. Unless you have the apps, or everyone else uses your platform you can't exchange files. Between Office, and OS X (bringing Unix to the desktop) Apple has briged the gap, at least for now.

      The new iMac is nice. Not nice enough to sell on it's own, but with software it is a killer platform. Apple has also always understood simpler is better. As a geek, I don't want photos to consume my time. A non-geek would just want it to work, I'm sure. With the software the new iMac can do everything.

      I think Apple is on the rebound, and I hope the new iMac sells like hotcakes.

    3. Re:The iPod sells iMac's. by gig · · Score: 2

      > I think their digital hub is a smash hit
      > idea ... for the geek who "just wants the
      > mundane to work" so he can get on with
      > the cool stuff.

      FUCKING AMEN! It doesn't impress me anymore that a guy can install 802.11 drivers or open a box up and put another ATA drive in there. Yawn. Apple does that shit for you, or makes it so easy to do it that you don't notice it (compare hot-plugging an iPod into a FireWire port to installing an additional ATA drive inside a box). I'm more interested in whether the guy wrote a cool game that takes advantage of 802.11, or when someone comes up with a cool new use for FireWire (like a miniscule MP3 player). Time to get out of the boxes, people. Hard disks are not interesting anymore.

  25. Re:Doh! I knew I should have been doing this... by Sir+Holo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Am I the only one whose ID3 tag info is sorely lacking across his entire collection? Either I've got a lot of work ahead of me before I'm iPod-ready, or some benevolent /.'er will reply with info about a tool that will automate this process...

    You are not alone. Even folks who use an auto-tagger when ripping our CDs have trouble, since the CDDB isn't terribly consistent with artist names, etc..

    The most effective solution for sprucing up MP3 tags is a Mac-only app, MP3 Rage. It will do such nifty things as strip "The " from band names, and create ID3 artist/title/album tags based on file-containing folders and file names (e.g. MP3s/Pop/Cake/Fashion Nugget/01-Frank Sinatra.mp3). You probably have your MP3s organized this way already, so it might take 10 miutes to tag your entire collection.

    I apologize in advance for recommending a commercial, Mac-only product. If you want to write you own app, you should know that the iPod /iTunes best recognize ID3 v2.3.0 tags.

  26. Re:Why this infatuation with iPod? by thenerd · · Score: 2, Informative

    I just don't get it..

    It is dead simple.

    The Ipod is the size of a deck of cards -you can put it in your top pocket. The Archos, well, it's quite a chunk bigger.

    The Ipod is beautifully designed - it looks very smooth. The Archos, well, it's not a pretty beast.

    The Ipod does have less storage, but a lot of people won't have the ~600 CD's needed to fill a 40GB drive.

    The Ipod can't record, but usually people rip on their computer (or think in that way) - usually when you are travelling to work, etc., you wouldn't use the record function. For every 100 hours of playing, unless you are in specialist situations, you'd only really record for 1 hour.

    Those reasons are why I'd probably go for the Ipod and not the Archos, even though I don't have a mac.

    thenerd.

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  27. Plausible Deniability by Lysander+Luddite · · Score: 2

    That's why. Avoid a lawsuit from the RIAA and still allow a competitive advantage (moving files).

    1. Re:Plausible Deniability by Lysander+Luddite · · Score: 2

      I never said it was. Just that the company can avoid the potential of a lawsuit by prohibiting it. Lawsuits take time and money. Just the threat of a lawsuit can change behavior and that is what is happening here.

      P2P is merely moving/copying files between systems, no?

      I would have thought slashdot posters would be familiar with the concept by now.

    2. Re:Plausible Deniability by gig · · Score: 2

      Compare the copy-protection features of iPod with ANY other MP3 player before you knock Apple, or you will have egg on your face later. It is the only MP3 player that lacks "digital rights management". Read the fine print, fellows.

  28. Re:Yeah but... by benwb · · Score: 2

    Yes, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone did HFS+ write now that the iPod is out. However up until this point there was no compelling reason for someone to hack in support for it. Chances are almost anyone with the ability to write the code wouldn't be caught dead with a mac...

  29. Re:WMA files by laserjet · · Score: 2

    I agree with yuor assumptions, but in the review in the article, they said the CPU was deisnged to decode MP3 and WMA files. So, the hardware capability seems to be there, just not in the OS.

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  30. Re:Why this infatuation with iPod? by shilly · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here are four of the reasons:
    1) Archos is somewhat bigger (in each of H, W and D)
    2) Archos has slower transfer rates (USB 2 vs Firewire)
    3) Archos is a lot lot uglier.
    4) Archos weighs a lot lot more (350g vs 185g)
    There are many more, but that's enough to be going on with.

  31. Re:Why this infatuation with iPod? by medcalf · · Score: 2

    Yeah, and the Sony DiscMan sucks, too. It's limited to a meager 700MB of storage, won't play MP3s or even cassettes (and as long as that format has been around, there's NO excuse for that!) and don't even talk to me about vinyl!

    So I guess what I'm saying is, stop whining.

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  32. HFS+ is only half the problem by trcooper · · Score: 2

    The other issue is writing to the ipod database. Simply slapping songs on the iPod won't allow them to play. The database has to be populated, On macs this is done by iTunes.

    1. Re:HFS+ is only half the problem by Bilestoad · · Score: 2

      Correct your .sig quote - listen to the song again.

  33. ok, so i bought one (a review) by AndersBrownworth · · Score: 4, Informative

    i'm an impulse buyer. i have a win2k box but my dad has a cube, so i figured i wouldn't be totaly dead in the water. here are my observations:

    i never cared about id3 tags because i centralize my meta info in a database. after my first import, i had 3 differient spellings and therefore 3 differient artists for the dave matthews band. no delete capability in Xplay. FRICK! nothing a perl script (and my dad's mac) can't fix though.

    other than that, Xplay rocks. i had 1 or 2 stability problems, but it gets the job done. on the face of it, it seems more than just a read / write HFS+ filesystem going on in here. there is a database that gets populated with id3 info. not sure if that's some sort of layer over the filesystem, or if the db just gets populated seperatly.

    i would have liked a more standard filesystem so i could use this thing as a general firewire drive. (as it stands, i can move big files from mac to mac. pointless for me.)

    audio quality rocks. i a/b tested this with winamp (whose quality sucks) and splay (still my favorite). it's up there.

    the earbuds aren't the most comfortable, but it's saveing grace is the volume level. this thing can get LOUD! the other mp3 players never really could cut it for me.

    gets scratched easily, but it smells realy nice. big thing with me. smells like a new hard drive you just opened. and it keeps smelling new car'ish.

    literature says it holds 20 minutes in ram. (anti skip) you pick a set of tunes to play and press play. there is a pause as it spins up it's disk and then play begins. i guess it preloads the files then and spins the drive down. if you skip 4 or 5 songs (20 minutes worth) you have to wait for the drive to spin up again. takes a second or 2. no big deal, i'm just impatient.

    hopefully it's best feature will be that it forces us to get read/write HFS+ going. if so, i'd look into trying to repartition the drive so i could have a 5 meg FAT partition that could hold the windows / linux HFS+ drivers and use this thing as a portable hard drive as well.

    1. Re:ok, so i bought one (a review) by mr100percent · · Score: 2

      no! no partitions, it kills the iPod's embedded OS. Check it out at ipoding.com

  34. Scale by fm6 · · Score: 2
    "Fatal flaw in the iPod design"? Give me a fucking break. "Pain in the ass for Linux and Windows users", sure.
    The success of any product depends on finding a customer base. You have to sell a certain number of units, or the product just won't survive. When Apple chose not to support Windows, they excluded 100 million potential customers in the US alone.

    Put it another way. Apple claims it sold 100,000 iPods in two months. I'm skeptical, but assume that's correct. That means a PC-compatible version could have sold a million. Well probably not -- there's the firewire issue. But imagine the impact of even doubling sales. Economies of scale, leading to lower prices. More credibility for Apple products, leading to more people consider Macs over PCs. Etc.

    What's really interesting is that Apple chose to make the iPod look like an HFS disk. There's no reason they couldn't have used something more standard -- the iPod isn't MacOS-based after all, and the Mac platform isn't that picky. But HFS is "better" than non-Mac file systems. Once again, the techno-cool factor won out over practical considerations.

    1. Re:Scale by fm6 · · Score: 2
      Cost isn't an absolute, per-unit thing. The more widgets Apple buys, they less they cost per widget. Then there's the design and tooling-up costs, which are much the same no matter how many iPods they make. So even if Apple loses money 30,000 iPods/month, they might well make a profit selling 300,000 a month.

      It's called economy of scale. It's a concept Apple has always had trouble with.

    2. Re:Scale by gig · · Score: 2

      > When Apple chose not to support
      > Windows, they excluded 100 million
      > potential customers in the US alone.

      Most Windows computers don't even have FireWire, so they are not a potential market for iPods. I would venture that the potential market for iPods, just based on the requirement "personal computer with FireWire" is 75% Mac, at least. Sony is the biggest vendor of 1394-compatible Windows PC's, and their i.Link doesn't even have power, so it's no good for an iPod (or any of the portable FireWire hard drives, which are all powered by the FireWire port).

      > Apple claims it sold 100,000 iPods
      > in two months. I'm skeptical, but assume
      > that's correct. That means a
      > PC-compatible version could have
      > sold a million

      They couldn't have made a million of them if they wanted to. The iPod uses a very small 1.8" hard drive that is only available in limited quantity. At the iPod launch, Steve Jobs said they expected to sell "as many as we can make". At Macworld SF 2002, Steve Jobs said they sold 125,000 so far and had sold out in many places. In other words, they're already selling as many as they can make.

      What you are missing here is that iPod is not meant to make PC's look bad; it's made to make Mac's look good. After inventing FireWire and then putting it on all of their computers a few years ago, Apple can now turn to their customers and say, "here's why you got rid of your SCSI peripherals," so you can hot-plug a miniature hard drive that is also an MP3 player and the computer itself takes care of powering and charging the device, and the software is all already there and well-tested and newbie-proof and ready to go.

      > What's really interesting is that Apple
      > chose to make the iPod look like an
      > HFS disk

      It doesn't "look like" an HFS+ disk, it IS an HFS+ disk. If it weren't, you couldn't boot your Mac off it. While Mac OS X can boot off UFS, some apps don't support that yet, because UFS has FEWER features than HFS+ (such as Unicode and support for the metadata attached to the billions of files that have been created on the Mac platform over the last 20 years).

      I'm sorry, man, but you are playing the arrogant Windows boob, here. Many of the iPods features are lost on you because you don't think about booting a Microsoft PC from any attached storage. People are putting their whole system, apps, and home folder on the iPod, even with only the 5GB size, and just booting any Mac they happen to be near from the iPod. When the iPod has 40GB or 100GB, it will be an even more popular feature.

      And, aside from that, I would love to hear your argument for a different FS. FAT32 isn't even Microsoft's favorite file system anymore. Should Apple pay MS to use NTFS? Why? Why use UFS on a consumer MP3 player when it is not a mainstream personal computer FS? You are just bigoted against HFS+ because you don't know anything about it and Microsoft has never wanted to support it.

  35. Re:HFS? Surely WebDAV support? by SmittyTheBold · · Score: 2, Informative

    iDisk/iTools use WebDAV now (Only on OS X, not OS 9). The iPod is a special-case FireWire drive that's formated with HFS+.

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  36. I must gloat now by Xunker · · Score: 2

    Okay, here is where I gloat about scooping everyone. When the iPod was first announced, I did my homework and figured it the hard drive used was the Toshiba MK5002MAL, and it turned out to be the HDD1242 which are, in fact, the same drive.

    Here is where I get to gloat about being ahead of the curve for once! Yippie!

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  37. Other OS's by Esoteric+Moniker · · Score: 2, Informative

    >Since when does Slashdot talk about OSes other than Linux?

    Hmm, maybe

    AtheOS

    FreeBSD

    OSX

    BeOS

    These of course are just a few of the more frequent ones, QNX seemed to come up often a little while ago, oh and don't forget Emacs, some consider it an OS all in itself. Then there's that goatse.cx OS I've been hearing about.

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  38. Re:Why this infatuation with iPod? by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 2

    USB 2.0 is (theoretically) slightly faster than the first revison of firewire/IEEE-1394. That's assumming, of course, that you don't have USB 1.0 devices connected.

  39. Re:Doh! I knew I should have been doing this... by Tackhead · · Score: 2
    > Am I the only one whose ID3 tag info is sorely lacking across his entire collection?

    It may be a bit late now, but I was lucky enough to pick up the habit of filling out the ID3 tags after downloading, but before listening.

    Get in the habit of spending a minute or two filling 'em out when you download or rip an album, and you can save yourself the "oh my God, I have how many to fill out?" frustration a few years down the road.

  40. How it really works... by SPYvSPY · · Score: 2, Informative

    You need to use an application that shows invisible files. In OS X, use TinkerTool. In OS 9, use Greg's Browser or something like that.

    Once you've got invisible files/folders showing, use the following path:

    "iPod_Control/Music"

    Inside this folder are a series of other folders named "F01, F02, F03,...etc."

    Your music files are grouped in there in their original MP3 glory. I don't pretend to have parsed out the rationale/pattern for placement of songs in the "F" series of subdirectories.

    Another way to do it is posted on Macworld.com here.

    Disclaimer: The above is from memory and hastily prepared. Feel free to correct me, but no need to get pissy!

  41. Re:An idea for HDD MP3 players - patented already? by Tackhead · · Score: 2
    > Instead of a large RAM buffer, they could've used a special HDD

    Why? A single 32M RAM chip costs about a buck. The engineering behind a special "slow-rotating-to-save-battery-life" hard drive would cost billions.

    Wanna save more battery life? Use a 64M RAM chip and cache most of a CD's worth (at 128 kbps) of music whenever an "album" heuristic comes up, such as "user is playing Track 01 of a directory of songs all ID3-tagged or filenamed as being from the same artist".

  42. But you can copy all day. by sulli · · Score: 2

    Music is in a hidden folder, so if you access the hidden folder, all is fine. I downloaded freeware called iPod Free File Sync (Mac OS 9 only) that does this. Works like a charm.

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  43. Re:Yeah but... by gaudior · · Score: 2, Interesting
    You were fine, until your last sentence. That was really an un-called for slam.

    Especially since the release of OS X, but even before with LinuxPPC and YellowDog, among others, the Macintosh has gotten increasing attention from the 'geeks'.

  44. ipod with windows by PMan88 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    if apple were to ever make the ipod usable with windows, they would, the support would be built into quicktime. that way, everyone that buys an ipod has quicktime installed, therefore largely increasing the quicktime installed base. of course this would happen with quicktime 6 or so when mpeg4 support gets built in. mpeg4 and ipod would make windows users actually want to use quicktime, especially if they remove the annoying ads

  45. How about BSDs? by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 2

    Can't the BSDs legally adopt BSD code, in this case Darwin HFS+ support, into their OSes and therefore read/write to the iPod without any further FS hacking?

    Unlike Linux?

    Anyone running BSD on a PC with firewire and owning an iPod able to attest to this?

    1. Re:How about BSDs? by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 2

      Darwin is not BSD-licensed; it's under the APSL.

      Linux can use non-advertising-clause BSD-licensed code, but that wouldn't help in the case of HFS+.

    2. Re:How about BSDs? by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 2

      Does this mean that because Darwin is under APSL, that other BSDs cannot wholehog import the appropriate HFS+ code?

  46. Re:Doh! I knew I should have been doing this... by 4mn0t1337 · · Score: 2
    It will do such nifty things as strip "The"

    So what will this do to all of my The The albums?

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  47. Re:An idea for HDD MP3 players - patented already? by 90XDoubleSide · · Score: 2

    Not only that, the fact that the drive is only reading occasionally and most of the time the player is reading from the RAM buffer means that you are far less likely to damage the drive when using the player in high-shock situations.

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  48. Re:Worse - assumes _no_ other devices... by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 2

    Ick. USB 2.0 claims 480 Mb/s. Firewire/IEE1394/iLink claims 400 Mb/s (with promised upgrades to 800 Mbs and beyond...)

    I can just imagine semi cluless consumers trying to figure out the difference between to two protocols. It'll be just like the Beta vs VHS format war.

  49. Goodbye Gillette by fm6 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Sort of a reverse razor blade strategy, huh? The iPod is so cool that people will not only spend $400 for the device itself, they'll spend another $1200 or so just to have a computer that's compatible with it.

    What economic system would this work under? The one we're currently using is full of $100 MP3 devices that connect to any system with a USB port. I think the iPod is pretty cool, but I find it very hard to imagine anyone spending $2K for one!

    1. Re:Goodbye Gillette by schwanerhill · · Score: 2

      No. An iPod is one in a long list of reasons to make your next computer a Mac. Apple doesn't seriously believe that anyone is going to buy an iMac just to get an iPod; they does believe that the ability to buy an iPod adds to the value of a Mac in making a purchasing decision. Mac OS X is another thing that adds to the value of a Mac, as are all the iApps, and the overall quality of the systems. No one element is going to make people run to the nearest Apple Store, but the theory (in Apple's marketing department) is that the whole package, including the iPod compatibility, will.

    2. Re:Goodbye Gillette by gig · · Score: 2

      I love how people pretend that their Windows PCs have unlimited future lives when they talk about the cost of a Mac. Like you will never, ever have to buy another computer. The $1200 that Apple expects you to pay for the computer that is compatible with your iPod is the $1200 that you would otherwise give Gateway or Dell for your next Microsoft system. If you are into digital music, then it may make sense for you to get a system that's designed for that, including such things as FireWire and iPod and whatever else. Same as things like iPhoto, true plug and play in Mac OS X, and ColorSync make Macs appealing to photographers. If you choose your system based on the right tool for the job, then the iPod is a feature you can take or leave as required. If you've got to have it, you'll be happier with a Mac anyway. What makes the iPod appealing is the same thing that makes Macs appealing.

  50. Re:Yeah but... by BinxBolling · · Score: 2

    "Vast new platform"?

    Linux, vast?

    Sober up.

  51. Re:Gaack! Hideous Mac Garamond Font Again! by HongPong · · Score: 2
    It's interesting that Apple released a device that doesn't use an OS they developed (unlike Newton or any computer in decades). Instead a company called "PIXO" did it for them (see article) However the Chicago font actually makes a funny sort of sense, as the founder of PIXO was one of the original developers of the all-time most-innovative personal computer technologies, the original Apple Macintosh Finder, which used "Chicago" in the menus and such. I forget his name though. It is indeed very mac-like in a retro way, which now that you mention it I really like a lot. Huzzah Apple!

    P.S. MAD Props for the marathon sig :-D

  52. Re:Want to get Slashdotted? by etceteral · · Score: 2

    I believe it's something like:

    4. Quick -- put ads all over your site.

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  53. Re:If you want an iPod for your Windows PC... by MinusOne · · Score: 2

    Linux *does* support the Archos products, as of Kernel version 2.4.14 or so. Look for the "isd200" driver in the USB section. It looks like a SCSI drive to the system. I use it all the time :)

  54. Re:Should I get one? by MinusOne · · Score: 2

    > A) the rest of the industry to copy the iPod (which is probably inevitable but could take up to a year including a good interface) or B) Apple to come out with a 10gig or larger iPod (maybe less than 6 months now)

    the rest of the industry is copying the iPod rather quickly. As for the 10GB drive, you'll have to wait for a 10GB drive in the 1.8" form factor. Since the 5GB drive is currently the max for that form factor, the 10GB may take a while to appear.

  55. Re:Why this infatuation with iPod? by gig · · Score: 2

    The 10-12 hour battery in the iPod and charging over FireWire means you don't have to manage the battery at all, unless you are a really, really avid listener. You just plug the thing into your computer at the end of the day, and it will likely still have a lot of juice left. The next day it is ready to go with a full charge again. For many users, they will never, ever, run out of juice with their iPod. That's an intangible feature that's not easy to represent on spec sheets, but when you're using it, you realize that it is very, very liberating not to have to manage a device's battery life.

    This is also why Palm continues to clean PocketPC's clock. Many people can run a grayscale Palm machine for weeks on a single charge, so they sync with their address book or back up data more often, which means, again, that they don't manage battery life, because the Palm charges in its cradle while it's sync'ing without them even thinking about it, rather than expiring unexpectedly because it has no juice.

    If you think about it, any device that can't do one day's worth of normal use is buggy. You shouldn't have to feed a portable device more than once a day.

    Also, iPod is really, really small and really, really light. I have most of my favorite albums on my PowerBook G4, which is 1" thick and 5 lbs and often travels with me, but an iPod hides in my jean jacket and can go with me everywhere.

  56. Re:Why this infatuation with iPod? by gig · · Score: 2

    > but don't get this level of attention
    > because they don't have the marketing
    > weight of Apple.

    I guess when you really don't want to admit that something is good you can always say that the people who like it are idiots who have been hypnotized by marketing. I think iPod will be remembered 10 years from now as the first proper file-based walkman. The combination of features that it has, including an interface that people learn in five seconds without a manual, makes it a jukebox that you can fit in your shirt pocket, and that's going to be the form factor the same way that the PowerBook's form factor has become standard on portable computers (palm rest with a pointing device in the center, then a keyboard, then a display). The iPod interface may become the new "transport controls", replacing the tape-inspired ones on CD players. Track to track forward and back buttons is not the way to get around a collection of thousands of files.

    I think what you're missing is that you have a LOT of music, so capacity is probably your key feature. Most people don't have enough music to fill an iPod, even at the 160kbs that Apple uses as a default (the 1000 songs number also assumes 160kbs), so they are much, much more interested in size, weight, connectivity, ease of use, fun, style, etc. in their music player.

    I just read that Archos has a FireWire-based player coming out soon, so they will be second with that. I don't think they're doing it to be stylish, but rather because the keyboard port is not the right place to hook up a hard disk. Think about it. It's funny that so many Intel users like to know they have ATA/133 and whatever else and then turn around and defend USB for the hard disk in their music player. No, it's not the right way to do it.

  57. Re:Apple Monitor by gig · · Score: 2

    It's worth it if you have a need for it, like many of Apple's customers do. The Cinema Display has always been a great value. It has replaced two big CRT's in many studios.

  58. UTF-8 in iTunes by anothy · · Score: 2

    i strongly suspect this is a CDDB issue, not an iTunes issue. i've inserted several import CDs, including one Japanese one (Ghost in the Shell soundtrack), and it all worked fine. kanji and kana show up as expected.

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