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Philips Targets Wireless TV Retransmission At Home

cadfael links to this EE Times story, excerpting: "Philips is attempting to start yet another industry initiative to tackle digital rights management, this time focusing on the wirelessly networked home. 'At stake here,' said Leon Husson, executive vice president of consumer businesses at Philips Semiconductors, 'is the "free-floating" copyrighted content that will soon be "redistributed" or "rebroadcast" to different TV sets throughout a home by consumers using wireless networking technologies like IEEE802.11.'"

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  1. With Implied Oral Consent... by bhsx · · Score: 4, Funny

    Not Expressed Written Consent :)

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  2. Wireless by juggla · · Score: 5, Funny

    Imagine! Video beamed right to your TV through the air. What's this world coming to?

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    1. Re:Wireless by theancient1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Here's the story I've heard.

      Once upon a time, TV signals were only available over the air -- cable companies didn't yet exist. It difficult to get distant signals without spending a lot of money on a big antenna. One day, a guy who owned just such an antenna decided to offer service to his neighbours by running a cable to their homes. Thus the cable company was born.

      Sounds similar, doesn't it?

      While this isn't a perfect ananlogy (you have to pay for digital cable), recall the case of iCraveTV -- one person put up an television antenna and broadcast the signals over the internet. It's pretty much the same thing, but today, you immediately get sued for trying something like that.

      I guess back in those days, "rights management" wasn't such a big issue. ("Rights", of course, always refers to the rights of corporations to protect their business model.)

  3. I fail to see the issue... by NecroPuppy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    After all, I could just run coax to all the TVs in a house. Is this somehow different because it's wireless???

    I mean, whenever I buy a special package, i.e., a pay-per-view, I can watch it on all the TVs in the house...

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    1. Re:I fail to see the issue... by peterdaly · · Score: 2

      Well yes...duh. You don't have to pay per use fees to run coax.

      You gotta admit it's getting better...It's getting better all the time!

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    2. Re:I fail to see the issue... by jdunlevy · · Score: 2, Funny
      " After all, I could just run coax to all the TVs in a house."

      Don't tell them that! Otherwise they might come after me for redistributing copyrighted material from my antenna to my VCR and television.

    3. Re:I fail to see the issue... by sam@caveman.org · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Is this somehow different because it's wireless???

      well, with coax, more than likely there isn't enough stray radiation from the coax to allow your neighbor to access your cable (of course we are all doing this anyway with splitters, etc, but that is beside the point).

      with wireless, you are rebroadcasting your cable signal to your TV. the rebroadcast will probably be available to your neighbors, at least in apartment complexes.

      ah, finally, free cable, without having even to drill a hole from closet to closet for the coax.

      -sam

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    4. Re:I fail to see the issue... by Zeinfeld · · Score: 4, Interesting
      The problem with wireless is that other people in the neighborhood can free ride off your signal. One student in a dorm might subscribe to cable and rebroadcast it via 802.11 to the rest of the dorm. Or you might have your neighbors hooking into your 802.11 net without your consent and find out that you watch the porn channels or the 700 club.

      The Philips proposal sounds to me to be of the form 'what do we need to do to make this pass likely regulation' rather than 'what can we do to support the RIAA and MPAA'.

      While no DRM solution can ultimately be proof against a moderately determined attack it is certainly possible to produce stuff for the consumer market that does not support piracy without deliberate modification. For example you might see 'home media servers' being sold that store several hundred CDs and DVDs that can be broadcast to a number of access points in the house. These access points would initially be set top boxes but could be embedded in the TV if there was a recognized standard.

      I don't fault Philips for anticipating likely regulation here. I would much rather that Philips produced something that was a reasonable compromise than waited for the RIAA and MPAA to buy votes in congress to either impose something completely derranged or try to kill the field altogether.

      There are already attempts to kill off ReplayTV, the broadcast media would much rather support Tivo which has made it clear will roll over whenever asked. So we lose features like the ad-skip button.

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    5. Re:I fail to see the issue... by Computer! · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Who is breaking the law here, the person lawfully using the content, in the privacy of his home, or the neighbor listening in on it?

      If you're asking me, neither. The current business model of creating content once, then minting currency by charging fees to view/broadcast/repurpose it ad infinitum is crap. Of course, anything else would require content providers to defend their IP with content worth paying for instead of lawyers.

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    6. Re:I fail to see the issue... by sam@caveman.org · · Score: 3, Interesting

      naturally the neighbor is breaking the law for listening in (if by law we define the cable companies policy, which may as well be as they will fine you, etc).

      but cable companies also hold the customer responsible with heavy fines for 'sharing' their cable knowingly (see my example of drilling holes between apartments to share cable: both parties would be in for some $$).

      and watch out, because probably it will become your burden to prove that you did not know your neighbor was listening in on your cable, not on the cable companies to prove that you did know. this isn't 'real law' here, folks, it is the cable company (read: monopoly in most areas) who sets whatever arbitrary policy they choose.

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    7. Re:I fail to see the issue... by smallpaul · · Score: 3, Insightful

      After all, I could just run coax to all the TVs in a house. Is this somehow different because it's wireless??? I mean, whenever I buy a special package, i.e., a pay-per-view, I can watch it on all the TVs in the house...

      This is about *digital* wireless. Perfect copies of movies and sound on the internet. The path from your coax to Morpheus is pretty circuitous and lossy. On the other hand, one could imagine a $100.00 "Morpheus box" that allows anyone on the Internet to listen in on any other Internet user's television shows and pay-per-views.

      Is the problem specific to wireless? No. The article says that there are already "solutions" for wire-based digital content. "One existing specification, called Digital Transmission Content Protection (DTCP), defines a cryptographic protocol for safeguarding audio/video entertainment content against illegal copying, intercepting and tampering as it traverses high-performance digital buses, such as the IEEE1394 standard." "Trying to apply the DTCP -- which requires high-speed encryption and decryption at every digital interface -- over a wireless network is not easy, said Husson."

      So the social "problem" they are solving is not unique to wireless. It is just that they believe that wireless requires a different solution for technical reasons.

    8. Re:I fail to see the issue... by Archfeld · · Score: 2

      not always true. Several cases have stated that the air waves are free. That might shift the burden to the party making the content available on the 'new' medium. Personally I think it is all horseshit but there is a legal issue, for the leeches...err Lawyers

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    9. Re:I fail to see the issue... by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 2

      Uhm - you do realize that the BBC *IS* what he was talking about with regard to the television tax?
      Independant media alternative my a$$ - they are funded by government taxation. No, the lesson we Americans can learn from this is that not everything the government does has to suck automatically just because it's the government doing it. Despite it's unfair funding scheme, without the BBC there'd be no Robot Wars, or Junkyard Wars, or Red Dwarf, or in earlier generations Monty Python and Dr Who.

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    10. Re:I fail to see the issue... by Zeinfeld · · Score: 2
      i thought we were past the "What will the neighbors think?!?" 1950's mentality. come on people, everyone watches porn anyway. why get embarassed if the neighbors find out?

      I don't know about you but I am always embarrased when people see me acting in films.

      Here in Cambridge MA porn is no biggie, if however your neighbors were to catch you watching the 700 club it would be social death unless you somehow persuaded them you were monitoring it to record eggregious instances of homophobia, racism or other bigotry.

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    11. Re:I fail to see the issue... by Zeinfeld · · Score: 2
      X10 has solutions to rebroadcast TV now, and the world seems to keep spinning

      Not quite the same thing. With X10 you can watch the same channel as your neighbor. Not exactly a major threat. With a media jukebox sitting on the other end everyone in the street can access your video on demand service.

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  4. Big Problem, I hear by merlin_jim · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is a huge problem. You know, I have friends who are all the time buying 802.11 gear ($200+), and content encoders/decoders ($100/each and requires a PC to run) just so they can broadcast cable from the living room to the bedroom.

    Oh wait, no that was a dream world. Sorry, I'm just not seeing how wireless piracy is a big problem, especially since, by focusing on wireless piracy WITHIN the home, there's an implicit assumption that the transmitter of the content has the rights to view it in the first place... otherwise, the focus wouldn't be in-home transmission, but rather how the content got to the home in the first place...

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    1. Re:Big Problem, I hear by smallpaul · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sorry, I'm just not seeing how wireless piracy is a big problem

      It isn't that it is a problem. It's that Philips wants to develop digital broadcast technologies that will not piss Hollywood off. Hollywood's nightmare is that you could by a $50.00 device that sniffs the packets being sent from your wireless DVD or cable broadcast box to your wireless TV.

      Is this a problem yet? No, of course not. But then MP3 ripping wasn't a problem when CDs were invented either. Now Hollywood wants to figure out the DRM issues but it is too late. The installed base of CD players is too large. Unfortunately, the big companies are now in a mode where they will not release new technology until after they feel like they've got the DRM security issues worked out.

      If Philips doesn't move on this in advance of the demand then the initial market will be captured a tiny little company that doesn't care about DRM. Remember the first MP3 players?

      Am I in favour of DRM technology? Absolutely not. But what they are trying to do makes sense from their point of view. And doing it sooner rather than later makes even more sense.

    2. Re:Big Problem, I hear by cruelworld · · Score: 2

      This isnt a problem looking for a solution, this is a bunch of Philips marketing drones trying to come up with a new revenue model. This is all about selling new Philips IC's and "solutions" to content providers, STB manufactures, etc.

    3. Re:Big Problem, I hear by puppet10 · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately, the big companies are now in a mode where they will not release new technology until after they feel like they've got the DRM security issues worked out.

      And in this comment is the clear reason that media hardware producers should be kept at arms length from media content producers.

      When the media content producers can dictate the hardware usable to view their content (which they do at the moment), then you can be sure that the end customer is getting a brain damaged product that isnt made to the most rational specifications that the end customer would most likely to want to purchase. Instead you get a weird amalgam of what the customer will tolerate and what the media content producer is willing to allow.

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  5. So now philips is a bad guy again? by kilgore_47 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just when we were starting to like them for that whole red-book thing...

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  6. Is this the same philips?..... by stretch_jc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What is going on here? Didn't Philips just try to prevent 'digital rights management?

  7. But should DRM always exist? by thesolo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Say I have a DVD player in my computer, which is in my bedroom. But my TV is in my living room. What's the difference between buying a DVD player and putting it in my living room, or streaming the content to a wireless receiver at my TV??

    Unless doing that is somehow illegal (which is unbeknowst to me), I don't see a problem with it at all. I own the media, so why does it matter if I stream it to a different TV in my own house?

    This seems like an attempt to get people to pay if they want to stream the content which they purchased to another location in their own home.

    1. Re:But should DRM always exist? by lynx_user_abroad · · Score: 5, Insightful
      What's the difference between buying a DVD player and putting it in my living room, or streaming the content to a wireless receiver at my TV??

      That depends. Am I the company that won't get to sell you the additional DVD player, or am I the company that won't get to sell you the wireless receiver?

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    2. Re:But should DRM always exist? by BeBoxer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "This seems like an attempt to get people to pay if they want to stream the content which they purchased to another location in their own home."

      Smart guy. In fact, this is exactly why they want this technology. From the article:

      -----quote-----
      "we can help content owners create a new business revenue model." Content owners, for example, can start charging consumers every time their digital content is re-distributed within the home, or viewed several times during a certain number of days specified by them.
      -----end quote-----

    3. Re:But should DRM always exist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is all about HIGH DEFINITION content, not existing content like today's DVD's which are:

      - standard resolution
      - digital content delivered via analog signals (for all consumer level DVD players at least)

      Until you have an HD set and HD dish/cable/OTA, this won't affect you.

      All future HD devices will have Intel's HDCP (the HD version of DRM) embedded, complete with certificate revocation lists so that devices which are hacked can be retroactively disabled. Believe me, this won't be a trivial hack.

      Welcome to the brave new world.

    4. Re:But should DRM always exist? by sphix42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >>Content owners, for example, can start charging consumers every time their digital content is re-distributed within the home, or viewed several times during a certain number of days specified by them.

      Sounds a lot like DIVX' game plan to me. If that's what they are really going for, I expect it to fail just as quickly.

    5. Re:But should DRM always exist? by imadork · · Score: 2
      "we can help content owners create a new business revenue model." Content owners, for example, can start charging consumers every time their digital content is re-distributed within the home, or viewed several times during a certain number of days specified by them.

      Call me crazy, but to me, that quote reads:

      "We can help content owners create a new business revene model. Content owners can start charging people to do things that used to be free! People will be lining up to pay, because they will be happy to finaly be paying for these things, after having it be free for so long."

      Is there something I'm just not getting here? Because to me, it sounds like the Business Plan from Hell, and one that has a snowball's chance of actually working!

    6. Re:But should DRM always exist? by gorilla · · Score: 2

      This would be the HD that consumers are staying away form in droves?

    7. Re:But should DRM always exist? by lynx_user_abroad · · Score: 2
      I wasn't trying to be funny.


      The content providers have already divvied-up the Internet, but no one yet owns the content layer on the network that runs within your own home. That's unacceptable to them. The home network becomes yet another marketplace for the proprietary technology vendors to fight over.


      And in that battle there will be two losers: you and whomeved doesn't get to "sell you the whatever...."


      When I want moderation as "Funny", I'll include the appropriate :-).

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    8. Re:But should DRM always exist? by Tiroth · · Score: 2


      Most (virtually all) HD content though is analog at the point of connection to the TV. This is probably because manufacturers want to make "HD-ready" TVs without the added $500 cost of the ATSC decoders.

      I know of no progressive-output DVD player which delivers digital content. At least nominally, this IS digital HD content delivered over analog signals.

  8. Enough Already!! by MantridDronemaker · · Score: 3, Informative

    Enough already! This is getting ridiculous, soon we're going to get fined or executed or something if you're watching your TV and someone who does not have a valid MSNBC license to see that programming walks in the room and happens to look at your screen.

    1. Re:Enough Already!! by Danse · · Score: 2

      But you can only go see small-time theater groups that sell their own tickets, lest Ticketmaster bend you over and have its way with your bottom.

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    2. Re:Enough Already!! by Lonath · · Score: 2

      I was thinking about this. I was going to get a patent for Environmental Verification of Incremental Licensing, or the EVIL patent.

      The basic idea is that any Content Presentation Device comes equipped with environmental sensing equipment that can dynamically determine who's near enough to the Device to partake of the Content. The machine would be hooked up to a database of the sizes and shapes of every person in the world, as well as their voice fingerprint so that the machine will know who everyone is.

      Basically, every few seconds, the machine updates the list of everyone nearby who is partaking of the Content. Everyone who comes near to the Content Generator will be charged their licensing fee to partake of the Content (even if they just walked by in a hallway really fast.)

      Of course, everyone would have to have their Passport (or other approved account) to be able to partake of the Content. So if anyone came by who didn't have a Passport, the owner of the home and everyone currently watching would lose their rights to partake of any Content because it's clear that they were trying to give away Content to an Unapproved Person. If everyone has the ability to pay, then they get charged by the time increment, like maybe 25 cents a minute per person, although the fees may not be this reasonable.

      The sad thing is that this will probably come to pass some day. Although I hate software patents, I keep thinking that it might be a good idea to get patents like this (the EVIL patent) to prevent evil companies from engaging in EVIL.

    3. Re:Enough Already!! by epsalon · · Score: 2

      You don't need to. I think this comment suffices to show "prior art" if anyone would now want to patent this EVIL, although it would not prevent them from using it...

  9. ROI by corbettw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here's something I'd like Hollywood and their friends to think about: at some point protecting one's IP becomes more expensive than stopping possible pirating. And while the cost will be passed on to consumers, that just makes entertainment devices that much more expensive, meaning fewer of them will be sold with a lower profit margin.

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  10. The Problem with... by iGawyn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem with this digital rights management solution, just like all of the others, is that they cannot force people to upgrade. Although there is a certain segment of the populace that will desire to own the latest and greatest everything multimedia, and therefore trip himself into owning devices embedded with DRM, the average American won't want to spend the extra money to upgrade.

    Therefore, unless you give them a major incentive, the RIAA/MPAA is foiled again. No upgrades means that all of the time they spent plotting up yet another scheme to control what we can and can't watch is ruined by consumer apathy.

    If they really wanted people to upgrade, they would (a) develop a new, proprietary format, (b) stop release of all current and future products on CD/VHS/DVD, (c) release ONLY on aforementioned proprietary format. Eventually, enough people would switch to make it worth their while.

    Even with this, though, people will find a way around the Digital Rights Management schemes, as they also do.

    To use a famous quote, "Where there's a will, there's a way." And when it comes to copying CDs, VHS tapes, or DVDs, there is most certainly a will.

    Gawyn

    1. Re:The Problem with... by bricriu · · Score: 2

      Your post kinda reads like it comes from 1997... because that new "latest and greatest multimedia" you mention is DVD. And it was the CD format in 1980-whatever.

      And just as you say, we have found ways around it. But I'm still not buying a DVD player. It's not that what I want to do is "illegal" under the DMCA, it's not that it's too much trouble to get around region encoding, I just don't want to put money into the hands of DRM schmucks. So until I get a free player and know of a reliable source of pirated DVDs, I'll stick with tape.

      The American public will swallow the "This is the same thing... but BETTER!" pitch over and over and over again. And don't you -- or anyone else -- forget it.

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    2. Re:The Problem with... by garcia · · Score: 2

      shh, they'll hear you!

    3. Re:The Problem with... by AntiNorm · · Score: 2

      The problem with this digital rights management solution, just like all of the others, is that they cannot force people to upgrade

      That is, until they stop providing content in the old format.

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    4. Re:The Problem with... by alcmena · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Even though DVDs are protected, every movie released on DVD is also released on VHS. Add to that the fact that not every movie available on VHS is available on DVD yet. The entertainment industry is not stupid. They know that a lot of voters will be very pissed if they suddenly stopped supporting VHS tomorrow. And pissed voters are much more likely to dislodge the MPAA's puppets.

      The same will be true about DVD. The MPAA cannot suddenly stop supporting DVD without a major backlash.

    5. Re:The Problem with... by swillden · · Score: 2

      Although there is a certain segment of the populace that will desire to own the latest and greatest everything multimedia, and therefore trip himself into owning devices embedded with DRM, the average American won't want to spend the extra money to upgrade.

      Except that this segment contains nearly everyone who currently owns *any* Wi-Fi gear. Even if everyone that is already playing with this refuses to upgrade, that's a negligible fraction of the market. The point is to get DRM in place before the technology really hits the mass market.

      What they may be missing, though, is that if DRM is always getting in the way of people doing what they want, the mass market may never accept this at all. Look for hardware makers like Philips to change their tune as soon as the average person figures out that this stuff inconveniences them.

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  11. Next on the plate... by Xenopax · · Score: 5, Funny

    Keeping aliens from infringing on copyrights. Engineers will have to figure out a way to track down all the radio signals that have left Earth in the last 100 years and block them as to prevent alien beings from enjoying content they have not payed for.

    This is related to the article too because phase 2 of the plan is to prevent all wireless transmissions of anything so aliens that have reached earth cannot use thier moon-transglobifiers to enjoy content they haven't paid for. The aliens will just have to rent a house and order cable like everyone else.

    1. Re:Next on the plate... by linzeal · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe the alien RIAA and MPAA have already done this and that is the reason that seti hasn't found anything.

    2. Re:Next on the plate... by curunir · · Score: 2

      Well...I highly doubt that the aliens would be *enjoying* the content that is being sent to them. If ever there was a demographic that could gripe about being negatively portrayed in the media, it would be aliens.

      Would you enjoy movies in which some alien race that is wrongly persecuted/attacked by a group of humans (who are far more advanced than the alien race). Would you get that "warm and fuzzy" feeling when the small band of out-numbered aliens took on the hoard of humans and amazingly triumphed?

      Or perhaps you would enjoy the light hearted romantic romp where, at the end of the movie, the two aliens embrace and share a passionate kiss (except, due to differences in anatomy, their passionate kiss is much closer to our hard-core pornography).

      I think the true concern of the Content Mafia^H^H^H^H^HCreators is that the aliens, upon viewing the content sent out into space, will send new content back to the people of earth (how difficult can it be to create completely derivitive sequels?) and then we'd get all our content for free.

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    3. Re:Next on the plate... by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      Would you enjoy movies in which some alien race that is wrongly persecuted/attacked by a group of humans

      I would! Haven't you seen all those Outer Limits episodes with this theme? There's one where humans put a colony on some planet, but had genocidally eradicated the indiginous aliens before, but in the end the aliens who know about the planet's sun's cycle of frying everything on the surface keep the humans from finding out. There's another one where humans have enslaved some helpless aliens, but a government official is saved by his alien slave after crash landing and sees the light.

      These themes are great. I can certainly envision humans hypocritically enslaving and murdering helpless aliens, the way they've done to each other throughout history. Humans never learn until it's too late.

      Would you get that "warm and fuzzy" feeling when the small band of out-numbered aliens took on the hoard of humans and amazingly triumphed?
      Certainly. Usually the theme is some evil humans, and a bunch of apathetic humans, committing some atrocity against helpless aliens. But there's some small group of humans that has the moral fiber to see the wrongness of this, and somehow help the aliens win freedom.

      These are excellent themes because they show that the enemy isn't out there, it's inside us.

    4. Re:Next on the plate... by isorox · · Score: 2

      And Galaxy quest

    5. Re:Next on the plate... by Saeger · · Score: 2

      And Explorers

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  12. Surrounded by idiots.... by st0rmshad0w · · Score: 3, Insightful

    At what point will some create an analogy quick reference card for these people. This is so stupid I may have a stroke. How is this ANY different from sneaker netting a VHS tape? I know its technically a broadcast, but from a REALISTIC standpoint? Big deal, my neighbor just MIGHT be able to pick it up, or he could just ask to borrow a videotape.

    Apoplexy now!

    1. Re:Surrounded by idiots.... by smallpaul · · Score: 2

      At what point will some create an analogy quick reference card for these people. This is so stupid I may have a stroke. How is this ANY different from sneaker netting a VHS tape? I know its technically a broadcast, but from a REALISTIC standpoint? Big deal, my neighbor just MIGHT be able to pick it up, or he could just ask to borrow a videotape.

      Your neighbour has nothing to do with it. They are trying to "protect" digital content flowing around your house. There are already standards in place to "protect" digital content media (CSS) and content going over wires (DTCP). Now they are going to close the wireless "loophole."

  13. This will eventually have to be regulated... by tommck · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Does anyone else remember when AT&T (in the old monopoly days) used to charge people for each telephone in the house??

    This certainly seems analogous to me. How can they justify this. It is effectively telling me what I'm allowed to do inside my own house!

    That's crap.

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    1. Re:This will eventually have to be regulated... by sphix42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >>It is effectively telling me what I'm allowed to do inside my own house!

      This has been a battle cry for pro-recreational drug use for a long time, yet it's still illegal.

      On a more on-topic note....I think this may be an attempt to prevent copying of digital content...not viewing.

      Who cares if you pick up your dvd and take it into the bedroom? I think what they really care about is if you transmit a dvd movie/whatever strait to your computer.

    2. Re:This will eventually have to be regulated... by Lysander+Luddite · · Score: 2

      "On a more on-topic note....I think this may be an attempt to prevent copying of digital content...not viewing."

      Not according to the article:

      "By putting the SmartRight technology in place, which enforces rights management in the home, said Lafaye, "we can help content owners create a new business revenue model." Content owners, for example, can start charging consumers every time their digital content is re-distributed within the home, or viewed several times during a certain number of days specified by them."

      This is the outcome of DRM technology: controlled access and pay per view. If you can't see that then you are either a Congressman or watch the TV news.

  14. why though? by garcia · · Score: 2

    I can see the point of a wireless computer network, especially if you are using handheld devices or laptops. What I really don't see the need for is basically stationary devices needing wireless connections. Even most apartments have cable connections already accessable from any point in the room or allow you to make the changes to do that. If you are super neat and tidy and you had seeing any sort of cabling running around, I am sorry for you.

    I just don't see the justification for all the work (as far as rights go on "redistributing" this) and I really don't see the necessity of investing large amounts of money into something that is ridiculous.

    Use the cable line. It isn't that big of a deal. Unless you have a room that you want to put the TV in the middle of the room I don't see the feasability of this.

  15. Note.. by AnalogBoy · · Score: 2

    This is the same phillips, I believe, that just a few short days ago was championed for saying that copy-proofing CD's was against the logo rules.. I love how fast this community can change its mind about someone, based soley on them attempting to protect their interests.

    If you want to see a place where other peoples intellectual products belong to the community, move to a communist country. (Not that there are/were ever any truly successful communist countries, in the true sense of the word communist..). I still prefer capitalism.

    1. Re:Note.. by arkanes · · Score: 3, Informative
      Well, there aren't any successfull capitalist countries, either, in the true sense of the word capitalist. So get off your high horse.

      You may now finish patting yourself on the back for pointing out a non-existent hypocracy amongst slashdot readership.

    2. Re:Note.. by curunir · · Score: 2

      This is the same phillips, I believe, that just a few short days ago was championed for saying that copy-proofing CD's was against the logo rules.. I love how fast this community can change its mind about someone, based soley on them attempting to protect their interests.

      When your kid makes the honor role, you support them. When they plow the family station wagon into a telephone pole, you get mad. Same kid, but it's the actions that we react to. If you want to point out a double standard, point out that we never give MS credit on the rare occasions when they do something good.

      If you want to see a place where other peoples intellectual products belong to the community, move to a communist country. (Not that there are/were ever any truly successful communist countries, in the true sense of the word communist..). I still prefer capitalism.

      Hmmm...I'll take Democracy over Capitalism. Remember, Communism was a fusion of a type of government and an economic system. In America, we have a type of government which (theoretically) keeps checks on our economic system, but is a seperate entity. DRM is the perfect example of where the checking should occur (by affirming fair use, etc). The idea that We have rights is pretty fundamental to the principles of our democracy, but seems laughable to your average corporation/content syndicate.

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    3. Re:Note.. by JabberWokky · · Score: 2
      I love how fast this community can change its mind about someone

      I have a friend who will drop his plans to go pick someone up who needs a ride. He's a good guy. He also is loud and opinionated, and will shout you down if he thinks he is right. He is an asshole. Yup, he's both, and he's my friend, and I can easily balance the contradiction in my mind.

      Is it any wonder that a corporation made up of thousands of decision making managers would have some good aspects and bad aspects? They made a good decision (in the average Slashdotters opinion) a few days ago, and a bad decision (in the average Slashdotters opinion) today. But even that is using a mythical "average" Slashdot opinion. I'm sure you can find some users here that support copyprotected CDs (or see nothing wrong with them).

      Incidently, on this issue, I have to say - they wish to be able to make you pay for each instance you watch the content during the day. Wow. That's a phenominally new concept isn't it - you pay for each time you view it. Some sorta "Pay-Per-View" idea. Groundbreaking, indeed.

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  16. DRM == defect by dfenstrate · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One existing specification, called Digital Transmission Content Protection (DTCP), defines a cryptographic protocol for safeguarding audio/video entertainment content against illegal copying, intercepting and tampering as it traverses high-performance digital buses, such as the IEEE1394 standard.

    Once again, we are shown that digital rights management hardware is by definition defective. They seem to think their only protection from profit stealing pirates (gasp! seeing stuff on another TV?) is to make broken equipment.

    I, for one, will be voting with my wallet. F*** phillips, and anyone who follows them. I thought the hardware guys where on the side of logic and fair use...

    Maybe I'll write to them and tell them that I won't buy crippled equipment from them that purposely interferes with radio transmissions- and I think the FCC would also take issue with this.

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    1. Re:DRM == defect by donutello · · Score: 2

      What morons moderated this post up? The sentence quoted states:

      One existing specification, called Digital Transmission Content Protection (DTCP), defines a cryptographic protocol for safeguarding audio/video entertainment content against illegal copying, intercepting and tampering as it traverses high-performance digital buses, such as the IEEE1394 standard.

      The post is not +4 Insightful but -1 Illiterate.

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  17. Buy Now or Pay Later... by Iguanaphobic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is it just me or is now a really good time to start buying uncrippled hardware? I've noticed that the current generation of devices (PVR, MP3 Players, DVD+RW, CD-RW, Hard Drives etc.) do not have DRM technology included. I've also noticed that the next generation of hardware will have this technology included, possibly at gunpoint by the content providers. I will be buying lot's of tech soon to avoid the DRM cripples that are due in all our hardware. I will also be closely monitoring the computer situation to buy my next machine just before they encrypt the BIOS and only allow DRM enabled operating systems to run on these systems. If you don't think this will happen, you have learned nothing from 100 years of corporate behaviour. If they can, they will. Usually just because they can.

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    1. Re:Buy Now or Pay Later... by Refrag · · Score: 2

      Most MP3 players are SDMI compliant which means they have DRM built-in. The iPod does not.

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    2. Re:Buy Now or Pay Later... by Tiroth · · Score: 2


      In a sense, TiVo units do have DRM. They detect Macrovision on the incoming signal, strip it out, and add a flag to the recording that says "this had macrovision." Then when they output the signal they add macrovision encoding to content that has the flag set.

  18. Wireless video by peel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I, as have many others, have been doing this for years. Back in the day when most households only had one VCR, there was a little gizmo called the rabbit that allowed you to watch the VCR on multiple TV's. More recently I picked up a little device from SmartHome that allows me to send audio visual signals through walls using a 2.4 Ghz signal. VIOLA! Wireless rebroadcasting of recorded shows. I have been watching taped recordings of shows as well as dvds on more than one tv in my house for some time now, I guess because there is no computer involved it's all ok. 2.4Ghz is so 1990s. -peel

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  19. Who really wants to pay? by SirSlud · · Score: 2

    The question is really going to become .. are Titus and Rugrats and Roswell really worth it once we're /forced/ to actually not bend the rules? Does anyone else wonder if consumers and content creators have entirely different economies in their heads?

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  20. Imagine by peterdaly · · Score: 2

    Image a world where you can channelsurf what your neighbors are watching, live or recorded. Maybe have a "private" setting for what you don't want others to see. That would be a hell of a P2P type network.

    Makes one think...

    -Pete

    1. Re:Imagine by SirSlud · · Score: 2

      >Image a world where you can channelsurf what your neighbors are watching

      "Honey, they're watching the history channel again, those sick perverts! That's it, I'm getting my hedge trimmer back from them first thing tommorow .... "

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  21. Re:Another victory for geeks' rights by SirSlud · · Score: 2

    >it would likely put the entire industry out of business

    You talk about it like it's a bad thing. I was wondering if content producers have entirely different economies in their heads. Ie, when push comes to shove, and we have to pay for as much as we're consuming, is Hollywood truely a viable business given the percieved amount of revenue-generating touchpoints the future holds for entertainment consumers?

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  22. This is the work of the devil... by Uttles · · Score: 2

    Content owners, for example, can start charging consumers every time their digital content is re-distributed within the home, or viewed several times during a certain number of days specified by them.

    Every time their content is redistributed within the home? So, to compare with the present, they want to charge me to not only buy or rent the video, but also each time I play it? This is just pure evil.

    One thing's for sure: if this isn't extremely cheap, ie $0.05 for each replay or something like that, it will never work, because "content" just isn't that important. I'll just go outside and play fetch with the dog, or have people over for a BBQ. I'm sure most other sane people feel the same way.

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  23. Imagine! by Refrag · · Score: 2

    Imagine being able to watch the same show on multiple TVs inside your house without paying extra for each additional TV. People that do that should be shot! Do they have no ethics?

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  24. Moot....all moot.... by CDWert · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is mostly a moot point, until a TV can be so integrted as not to need an external source in this is all moot. The industry will not for 100 years agree on a standard for that. The signal leaves whatever device you are playing from AND MUST be understood by your common average dumb TV set, NTSC, PAL what have you.

    NOW that said that is the weak link and an Ideal place to transmit from or encode to an alternative Digital Medium, I just got Mplayer encoding right, and guess what was horking all kinds of signals off line, my 300 gig box is just about ready to start filling up with TV shows, movies, races,etc. I want, as soon as I can get the damm remote working with this box.

    Because of the above set up I dug out an OLD (15 year plus TV transmitter, I had , you hook it up and Channel 3 gets vid audio. Im too lazy to wire the upstairs and may be moving soon, so my 32" tv in the bedroom gets REBROADCASTED signaal. They sell these things on ebay for 30 bucks, they work like a charm, you could make your own with 1/3 of that in parts, no IC , all coils trimmers and pots.

    My computer has a tuner card as well, and antenna and I can catch anything I want off my "TIVO KILLER" EITHER via the network, or antenna, I would LOVE to put a box in my trunk and pump over 802.1b so my kids can watch flciks on drives, upload a playlist the night before from my computer in the house to my car in the drive. (I do plan on doing this with my MP3's)

    Sooooooo.....
    As long as a TV can understand the signal there is NO possible way (at present) to keep that signal from being rebroadcasted. With TONS of MONEY being pouredinto this sort of DRM research its amazing our TV sets dont cost $3000 !

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  25. Why is 802.11 different from the Rabbit? by og_sh0x · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Back in the 80s it was perfectly legal to use the wireless Rabbit (remember those?) to transmit TV signals from the living room to the bedroom. This went for broadcast, rented movies, etc. Heck, you can even legally transmit on the FM 88-108 MHz band as long as it follows FCC Part 15 (no external antenna, and under a certain wattage... 100mw I think). Considering that these allowances were made for home-based Fair Use usage, I would consider this a clear-cut violation of Fair Use rights just like copy protected CDs. If you want to make *public* broadcast over 802.11 illegal... Well it already is. Just like it would have been illegal to use the Rabbit back in the 80s to re-transmit cable for the whole neighborhood.

  26. Re:Another victory for geeks' rights by Iguanaphobic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, this is yet another area in which we can enjoy our superiority to average non-geeks. While they "pay per play" on their new HDTV sets and are forced to pay for content, we can sit back and enjoy the fruits of our labor. We've worked hard for this right, and there's nothing "they" can do to take it away from us. We deserve it.

    Until they start to cripple the computer hardware that your tools run on. Encrypt the BIOS, only allow DRM enabled OS's to access hardware, legislate open and free alternatives away as "enabling" devices that cost producers their IP. Forget fair use, that is already history. Welcome to the future, where you either work for a corporation or you're part of the problem. Get used to it!

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  27. In fact... by sterno · · Score: 2

    You can pick up a neat little device at Radioshack which will allow you to broadcast video on any cable channel you specify. So if you've only got one Satellite receiver, you can watch the content from it on multiple TV's without needing another receiver. This is all with wires...

    This is soooo getting out of hand. I think it's important to remember that copyright law was written at a time when they had no means to control much other than whether you got a copy of the media or not. Now they think they can tell you everything you do with it anytime you want.

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  28. Re:Another victory for geeks' rights by schon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    it would likely put the entire industry out of business.

    You mean just like Libraries put the publishing industry out of business? (If millions of people can borrow books *for free*, why would they ever pay for them?)

    Or the radio station will put live performers out of business? (Why would *ANYONE* pay to see a live performance, when they can listen to it for free over the airwaves?)

    Or the home VCR put the movie industry out of business? (Why would anyone pay $5.00 at a movie theatre when they can watch it at home?)

    This argument has been used for decades, (every time a new technology comes out, IIRC) and so far it's proven false every time. Stop crying wolf, nobody's buying it.

  29. Not a thief - but might become one by medcalf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The thing that strikes me about all of the attempts that I have seen to implement DRM, is that they all work on the principle that the consumer is a thief. If the content owners keep making this argument, and implementing it in hardware, it will actually spawn rampant thievery. After all, today I buy CDs (and rip them to MP3s immediately) and DVDs. If I cannot play a CD in my computer, I'll get it from a pirate online so that I can listen to it. How long, then, until I decide to skip the step of buying the CD in the first place? And it will be the same with movies at some point, I'm certain.

    -jeff

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  30. AAARRRGGHH! You CAN'T WIN! by revscat · · Score: 2

    Dear executive bigwig,

    This letter is a plea for you to give up your insane obsession with rights management. YOU. JUST. CAIN'T. DO. IT. As the daily march of new technologies makes it easier and easier to transmit and transport data in various forms, it becomes obvious that attempts to stop this from happening are doomed to failure. Despite the successful destruction of the free-wheeling Napster, the trading of "illegal" materials continues, largely unabated.

    The only way this will be stopped is with the propogation of police powers not seen out side of "1984" by George Orwell. There are simply too many channels available -- both on and off the Internet -- for transmitting this data. Stopping it will require buy-in from the community in toto, and the chances of that happening are slim to none.

    Plus you guys have really come across as assholes recently, y'know?

    - Rev.
  31. It's coming, folks, it's coming. by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 2

    One day, you will be able to buy a DVD that forces you to sit through 15 minutes of previews and advertisements before you get to your movie. And it will be illegal to own a DVD player that will simply skip that crap and let you view the flick. It's coming, folks, it's coming.

    1. Re:It's coming, folks, it's coming. by Happy+Monkey · · Score: 2

      What do you mean, "it's coming"? That's true now. Though I haven't seen any that are up to 15 minutes yet.

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  32. Useless protocol, RF contradictions by letxa2000 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    If I read this correctly they now want to somehow implement copyright protection mesaures at the protocol level? So now not only will companies and courts have control over what I transmit, the protocol will decide whether or not I can transmit? A protocol that prevents use is a protocol that won't be used.

    It also seems to be a contradiction. DirectTV can transmit from their satellite to almost every square foot of North America, but if someone grabs that signal on their private property and decodes it then the person who received it is legally responsible, not DirectTV. But here, for some reason, they believe it is necessary for the sender to have some kind of permission to transmit with a range of a few hundred feet?

    Who even cares? I suspect DirectTV provides a lot more free content to pirates than neighbors transmitting via RF do or will.

    Everyone thought that Internet was great, that the new economy was great, and that all this communication and information would enlighten and unite the world. That was until companies started realizing exactly what that meant...

  33. Shooting Themselves in the Foot by istartedi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Scenario 1: Ubiquitous wireless home networking. I can get up from the football game and there is a networked screen in the bathroom, etc... In fact, I think somebody did a commercial that illustrated that vision.

    Scenario 2: I can't network anything without paying twice for content I've already bought, and the devices that do it cost more because they have to support real-time encryption. Because of this, I choose not to buy the devices and simply do the "bathroom and snack rush" during commercials.

    This just makes no sense. Once the content is in the home, why should they care how many outlets it comes out of? This is like the electric company charging me more for installing a new socket, even though I'm using the same number of kilowatt-hours.

    Ordinarily I dismiss some of the things I see on /. as AIP/paranoia, but I have to concede to the /. crowd that controls like this for intrahome networking violate fair use, and probably a number of other things.

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  34. Holy paranoia, Batman! by mystery_bowler · · Score: 2

    Are people like Phillips automatically assuming that the majority of the public is going to rip them off?

    It doesn't take a genius to steal cable but, really, what is the percentage of people who legitimately pay for cable rather than steal it? I'd be willing to better the overwhelming majority pay for it.

    And it's not as if the customer hasn't paid for the content here. So what if Joe Consumer broadcasts the Superbowl via wireless to the TV in his bathroom? If Joe Consumer is a paying customer, it shouldn't matter.

    The vast majority still pay for their content. Each time I hear a story like this, I get the feeling that many large companies are simply fighting against imaginary enemies.

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  35. it's not really explained, is it? by mblase · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was puzzled by this concept, myself -- surely I have the right to broadcast my cable TV signal to as many televisions or computers in my own house as I see fit?

    But if we're talking about Wi-Fi, then the problem isn't just inside my house. I'm essentially empowering any Wi-Fi receiver within my broadcast range to see what I'm watching on my own system -- whether it's television, cable TV, pay-per-view, or pre-recorded home video.

    Think of the potential problems. A student in a dorm room could broadcast a rented DVD to every other student in their building, a clear violation of the big "at-home use" FBI warning you see at the start of the movie. A pay-per-view sports broadcast could be sent to everyone in my apartment building. My next-door neighbor could pirate my cable TV feed just by tuning into/cracking my Wi-Fi frequency. It's not a problem if we're talking about broadcast television signals, but anything else is a major violation of copyright, essentially turning my home system into a small pirate broadcast station.

    1. Re:it's not really explained, is it? by merlin_jim · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I wouldn't have such a big beef if that's what they said they were going after, but they never explicitly say that's a problem. They probably don't want to admit that 802.11 and other wireless technologies tend to be very easy to hack, otherwise this wouldn't be a problem at all. As a result, they only mention piracy within the home. I looked for direct quotes, the closest I could get was:

      At stake here, said Leon Husson, executive vice president of consumer businesses at Philips Semiconductors, is the "free-floating" copyrighted content that will soon be "redistributed" or "rebroadcast" to different TV sets throughout a home by consumers using wireless networking technologies like IEEE802.11.

      I wonder how close the above paraphrase is to what he actually said... if he used the phrase throughout a home I would be VERY concerned with what this means for fair use, as I mentioned in my original post...

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    2. Re:it's not really explained, is it? by peccary · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A student in a dorm room could broadcast a rented DVD to every other student in their building

      you mean, instead of showing it on the widescreen TV in the lounge, the way college students have been doing ever since the invention of the VCR.

      I'm just waiting for Hilary and friends to start raiding college dorms looking for DVD players in public spaces.

    3. Re:it's not really explained, is it? by geekoid · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Then they need to go after individule perpertrators, who are innocent until proven guilty, I might add.
      By the way, rebroadcasting in a dorm setting may not meccesarily violate Fair-use, but I see your point.
      the FBI wrning is pretty vague, when you really start to think about it it come down to "down transmit this illegally" but in know way defines what is legal, or illegal. Just putting something in the warning does not supercede the law.

      For interesting copyright reading I suggest here

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    4. Re:it's not really explained, is it? by mblase · · Score: 2

      Then they need to go after individule [sic] perpertrators, who are innocent until proven guilty, I might add.

      That was pretty impulsive. The whole point of the article is that there aren't any perpetrators, yet, and Philips wants to introduce technology to prevent it from becoming a problem at all. I mean, it's not like they're under obligation to let you access the technology over the shelf at all, is it?

      "Fair use," you say -- but how do you apply it to this example? Fair permission to extract a sample for use in an news article? Fair backups in case your original gets damaged? Neither situation is really a factor where wireless re-transmission of someone else's broadcasts or media are concerned, unless you can make a rock-solid argument that Wi-Fi'ing your DVD player to your PC is the only practical way to make a legitimate backup.

    5. Re:it's not really explained, is it? by smallpaul · · Score: 2

      I wouldn't have such a big beef if that's what they said they were going after, but they never explicitly say that's a problem. They probably don't want to admit that 802.11 and other wireless technologies tend to be very easy to hack, otherwise this wouldn't be a problem at all.

      This has nothing to do with your neighbours hacking your signal. If it did, they would just fix WEP. It's about *DRM*. They want to put end-user invulnerable encryption on every wire or wireless link so that the end-user can only save the data they allow him/her to save.

    6. Re:it's not really explained, is it? by Ig0r · · Score: 2

      No, no. Hilary is going after the evil people who steal money from recording artists. It's 'forgetful' Jack Valenti who's going to crack down on the damn hippies watching movies together.

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    7. Re:it's not really explained, is it? by isorox · · Score: 2

      charge on neurons per second per personality per person.

      I feel sorry for people with 500 multiple personalities.

    8. Re:it's not really explained, is it? by geekoid · · Score: 2

      look here for information about rebroadcasting for private use. I odn't havr time to find the specific clause, but its in there.

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  36. Cost by Detritus · · Score: 2

    This scheme appears to add a lot of hardware and complexity to any consumer electronics equipment that supports it. What is the benefit for the end user? Nothing that I can see. In fact, the end user is saddled with new and annoying restrictions on how content can be viewed. When will these idiots realize that their content is not that valuable? We aren't talking about a video conference of the National Security Council.

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  37. Re:Another victory for geeks' rights by Masem · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Basically, the large media companies want control over their content because they want to "keep the honest people honest." Though this sounds very Big Brotherish in nature, keep in mind the fact that if 80%, 90%, or 100% of the population could make unlimited, perfect copies of digital media to share with their friends, it would likely put the entire industry out of business.

    Except that for those 80-100% of 'honest people' have no idea how to make copies, much less record stuff typically in the first place. The VCR, as a prime example, without tools like VCR+, is very hard for average people to program, though I'm sure most geeks know their way around it. It took the intervention of this VCR+ system or things like TiVo with interactive program guides to get the common man familar enough with VCR programming.

    So it's very doubtful the common honest person is the one they are putting this in place for.

    As a few others have stated, while the tech they are trying to describe will prevent the wireless signals from going to other TVs in the same house, it's more than likely they're trying to make sure that a nearby neighbor cannot pick up on your wireless emissions and effectively 'steal' the signal, just as people used to do with cable. And those that would steal it would not be the honest people, but instead those with both the intent and the means to work out how to do it.

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  38. Government mandated blinders by Dr.Dubious+DDQ · · Score: 3, Interesting
    if someone grabs that signal on their private property and decodes it then the person who received it is legally responsible

    There is, unfortunately, precedent for this, at least in the US (though it strikes me as something probably implemented elsewhere in the world, too).

    There are laws on the books that (IIRC) forbid even listening to certain radio frequencies (or, more accurately, criminalizes having equipment capable of picking up those frequencies), because those frequencies are used by police and/or military (or something of the sort). In addition, there are the more familiar laws which (again IIRC) criminalize decoding of cell-phone transmissions.

    While I can understand why they WANT to criminalize such things, as you point out, it sets a disturbing precedent. The signal is being sent through MY (and your and everyone else's) property. It is as if Government, Inc. has legslated permission for couriers to walk through your house any time they want, and requires you to cover your eyes whenever they do so, lest you see things the courier is carrying....

    With a precedent like that, Government Inc can add laws, if they want, that criminalize receiving certain other channels (including 'channels contained copyright-protected materials such as satellite television broadcasts') 'without proper authorization' (e.g. broadcaster-sanctioned equipment only).

    A side effect of things like this that REALLY bugs me is that it inhibits personal educational experimentation. Want to learn about electronics and radio transmissions by building your own receiver? You'd better have the existing skills and ability to design the circuits to specially block out reception of the 'special' frequencies or you're breaking the law. (And this is BEFORE the DMCA, which basically just extended this same prohibition to a ridiculous degree, to include non-broadcast material).

    Personally, I think that if Government Inc. would spend the time and money making decent encryption available, instead of 'don't look' laws, the issue would be moot by now....

    1. Re:Government mandated blinders by letxa2000 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The signal is being sent through MY (and your and everyone else's) property. It is as if Government, Inc. has legslated permission for couriers to walk through your house any time they want, and requires you to cover your eyes whenever they do so, lest you see things the courier is carrying...

      Exactly.

      For example, I can understand why DirectTV doesn't want people to decode their transmission without paying for it. I can see why they would make every effort to make doing so as expensive and inconvenient as possible. It's in their best interest.

      However, when they decided to build a satellite-based delivery system they knew that their signal would be available to anyone who wanted to pick it up--even if they were not subscribers. As such, they knew there would be people that would receive and use the signal without paying for it.

      If, knowing all that, they still decided to deploy a satellite system it is because they made the business decision that they'd still be able to make a profit. If they had considered non-subscriber use of their signal to be a show-stopper then they would have deployed a cable or fiber-optic system that is more difficult to intercept. But they opted for a satellite system because it was probably cheaper and, with it, the risks and costs of busines that go with it--which include use by non-subscribers.

      It may be illegal to listen in on a cell phone call, but it shouldn't be. And anyone who says something on a cell phone expecting privacy or secrecy is an order of fries short of a happy meal...

      Anyway, I believe that people and companies ought to only transmit that information they are comfortable having intercepted and used. If they are comfortable with their encryption, transmit away. If they aren't, don't.

      Meanwhile, I'm going to use anything I find on my private property. Including RF signals.

  39. Re:Retransmission? by Dr.Dubious+DDQ · · Score: 3, Informative
    This is like calling hooking up your vcr between your tv and the cable box "retransmission"

    Yes. It is (according to legislators/MPAA). See 'Macrovision'. Ever wonder why those 'Macrovision decoder' boxes were criminalized?...

  40. Let's go back to the ROXY by Snaffler · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The ultimate copy protection scheme is right around the corner. Word has it that the major studios will encode their movies on celluloid "film" and maintain exclusive proprietary rights to the product. In order to view it you will have to purchase a "ticket" and attend a "theater" which will post the showing times on the lighted billboard outside.

  41. Nothing New by nanojath · · Score: 5, Funny
    Man you ain't seen nothing. When I was a kid my dad used to open up a book and just read it OUT LOUD... to the whole house! And he was a minister!


    It's sad we've all been so corrupted by IP theft. Thank God Phillips is there to keep us in line.

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    1. Re:Nothing New by sharkey · · Score: 2

      Ministers make baby Jesus cry when they violate intellectual property laws. Did he have permission from the book publisher to read the book before an audience?

      Let's shorten that, shall we?
      Fair Use makes baby Jesus cry.

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  42. First ammendment by Omnifarious · · Score: 2

    If this isn't a clear cut case of "We can't let people talk freely to one another because they might say things we think are damaging to us!", I don't know what is.

  43. That's EXACTLY what they want by Greyfox · · Score: 2
    You're goddamn right the content owners would love to be able to charge you every time you play their content. They'd love your account to get dinged every time you listen to a song on the radio, every time you watch a TV show, every time you read an article. That is exactly the world they're moving us toward. Every day, Stallman's dystopian vision gets closer and no one seems to think that it could eventually come to that, though the content providers would like nothing less.

    What could prevent it would be competition from independent content producers, so the current corporations will tie up all the formats in proprietary protocols and laws to the point where it is impossible to produce content without a license and it is impossible to get the license unless you sign away your content to some big corporation.

    The first step in preventing this is to restore copyrights to their original length. Well, what are you waiting for? You have a letter to your Congressperson to start writing.

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  44. Re:There are no such things as "fair use rights." by geekoid · · Score: 4, Informative

    I disagree:
    Sec. 107. - Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use

    Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include -

    (1)

    the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

    (2)

    the nature of the copyrighted work;

    (3)

    the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

    (4)

    the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

    The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors

    http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.html

    item 4 is ver interesting IMHO.

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  45. HDTV by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Are we not all supposed to move to HDTV broadcasts at some point in the near future, practically mandating a huge wave of upgrades by practically everyone?

    That's why all of the DRM stuff is pushing as hard as it can, to be ready to be installed during this wave of migration.

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    1. Re:HDTV by Kris_J · · Score: 2
      That's a damn good point. Here in Australia we've got Digital TV and we're supposed to be digital TV only by something like 2008. Thing is, the Pay-TV I subscribe to isn't going to change, or if it is they're just going to hand me another box with a composite (or maybe S-Video) output. And there's all the games consoles I've got (9 at last count) that work just fine with a standard old TV. I don't own a DVD player and in the same way I don't see me ever bothering with a digital TV. I'm happy with the quality of analogue, so I'll stick with that and avoid DRM. I'm sure many other people will be the same.

      You know, for many people, suddenly losing access to free-to-air programming would not be the end of the world. Far from it, they'd probably find they had so much tim eon their hands that they could go out and meet people or do something useful.

  46. The trouble with DRM. by Animats · · Score: 2
    This whole thing will fall apart if Joe Sixpack ever fails to get the Super Bowl because of a configuration problem in the copy-protection system.

    Cable TV companies will end up being the first line of tech support for this stuff. But they don't profit from it. Look where we are now. Call Macrovision and try to get tech support for one of their copy-protected CDs that won't play on your CD drive.

  47. They haven't addressed one other transmission by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 2, Funny

    They haven't even touched on the possible IP violations caused by the trasmission of copywrited material by light to your eyes.

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    1. Re:They haven't addressed one other transmission by Webmoth · · Score: 2

      Good point. If two people view the same content on the same image-producing device (be it paper, a TV screen, monitor, stereo speaker, etc.) does that constitute TWO copies?

      How about if you hook up four speakers to your stereo system (where two speakers carry the "left" image and two carry the "right" image)? Do you need to pay RIAA, et al for two copies... er, licenses to use the content? What if one set of speakers is in another room? Heaven forbid you should wire in an extra set without sending a gratuity to the radio station.

      There was a time when cable companies tried to charge extra if you put a second TV on the same cable line in your own home. Maybe some still do. I don't watch TV, so this doesn't bother me.

      This all sounds to me like they are trying to narrow your rights to view to not just within your home, but to within a certain room of your home.

      A Monopoly &r game says on the box, "For 2 to 6 players." (Or is it 2 to 8?) When I was a kid, if we wanted more than 6 players, someone would get a bottle cap or a screw or maybe a coin to use as an extra piece.

      If the Media Gestapo has their way, I'll have to buy another copy of Monopoly.

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  48. The two-faces of Philips... by vtaluskie · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Amazing example of Corporate Split-Personality. Last wednesday folks were hailing Philips for their stance that Philips Says Compact Discs Can't be Copyprotected and now this report.

    Either they're really smart or their right hand doesn't know what their left hand is doing :)

  49. What they really need to crack down on. . . by Davgeary · · Score: 2, Funny

    What I'd like to see stopped is verbal rebroadcasting of tv shows. Every day of your life, you get to listen to a rehash of "Friends" or "Everybody Loves Raymond" through the cubicle farm. You know, "-and then Chandler said" conversations. This has got to be illegal, if only on infliction of emoptional distress. I'd buy anything that would stop these pirates.

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  50. copyright law link by geekoid · · Score: 3, Troll

    the law

    here it is (a)1 is of particular interest:
    Sec. 111. - Limitations on exclusive rights: Secondary transmissions

    (a) Certain Secondary Transmissions Exempted. -

    The secondary transmission of a performance or display of a work embodied in a primary transmission is not an infringement of copyright if -

    (1)

    the secondary transmission is not made by a cable system, and consists entirely of the relaying, by the management of a hotel, apartment house, or similar establishment, of signals transmitted by a broadcast station licensed by the Federal Communications Commission, within the local service area of such station, to the private lodgings of guests or residents of such establishment, and no direct charge is made to see or hear the secondary transmission; or

    (2)

    the secondary transmission is made solely for the purpose and under the conditions specified by clause (2) of section 110; or

    (3)

    the secondary transmission is made by any carrier who has no direct or indirect control over the content or selection of the primary transmission or over the particular recipients of the secondary transmission, and whose activities with respect to the secondary transmission consist solely of providing wires, cables, or other communications channels for the use of others: Provided, That the provisions of this clause extend only to the activities of said carrier with respect to secondary transmissions and do not exempt from liability the activities of others with respect to their own primary or secondary transmissions;

    (4)

    the secondary transmission is made by a satellite carrier for private home viewing pursuant to a statutory license under section 119; or

    (5)

    the secondary transmission is not made by a cable system but is made by a governmental body, or other nonprofit organization, without any purpose of direct or indirect commercial advantage, and without charge to the recipients of the secondary transmission other than assessments necessary to defray the actual and reasonable costs of maintaining and operating the secondary transmission service.

    (b) Secondary Transmission of Primary Transmission to Controlled Group. -

    Notwithstanding the provisions of subsections (a) and (c), the secondary transmission to the public of a performance or display of a work embodied in a primary transmission is actionable as an act of infringement under section 501, and is fully subject to the remedies provided by sections 502 through 506 and 509, if the primary transmission is not made for reception by the public at large but is controlled and limited to reception by particular members of the public: Provided, however, That such secondary transmission is not actionable as an act of infringement if -

    (1)

    the primary transmission is made by a broadcast station licensed by the Federal Communications Commission; and

    (2)

    the carriage of the signals comprising the secondary transmission is required under the rules, regulations, or authorizations of the Federal Communications Commission; and

    (3)

    the signal of the primary transmitter is not altered or changed in any way by the secondary transmitter.

    (c) Secondary Transmissions by Cable Systems. -

    (1)

    Subject to the provisions of clauses (2), (3), and (4) of this subsection and section 114(d), secondary transmissions to the public by a cable system of a performance or display of a work embodied in a primary transmission made by a broadcast station licensed by the Federal Communications Commission or by an appropriate governmental authority of Canada or Mexico shall be subject to statutory licensing upon compliance with the requirements of subsection (d) where the carriage of the signals comprising the secondary transmission is permissible under the rules, regulations, or authorizations of the Federal Communications Commission.

    (2)

    Notwithstanding the provisions of clause (1) of this subsection, the willful or repeated secondary transmission to the public by a cable system of a primary transmission made by a broadcast station licensed by the Federal Communications Commission or by an appropriate governmental authority of Canada or Mexico and embodying a performance or display of a work is actionable as an act of infringement under section 501, and is fully subject to the remedies provided by sections 502 through 506 and 509, in the following cases:

    (A)

    where the carriage of the signals comprising the secondary transmission is not permissible under the rules, regulations, or authorizations of the Federal Communications Commission; or

    (B)

    where the cable system has not deposited the statement of account and royalty fee required by subsection (d).

    (3)

    Notwithstanding the provisions of clause (1) of this subsection and subject to the provisions of subsection (e) of this section, the secondary transmission to the public by a cable system of a performance or display of a work embodied in a primary transmission made by a broadcast station licensed by the Federal Communications Commission or by an appropriate governmental authority of Canada or Mexico is actionable as an act of infringement under section 501, and is fully subject to the remedies provided by sections 502 through 506 and sections 509 and 510, if the content of the particular program in which the performance or display is embodied, or any commercial advertising or station announcements transmitted by the primary transmitter during, or immediately before or after, the transmission of such program, is in any way willfully altered by the cable system through changes, deletions, or additions, except for the alteration, deletion, or substitution of commercial advertisements performed by those engaged in television commercial advertising market research: Provided, That the research company has obtained the prior consent of the advertiser who has purchased the original commercial advertisement, the television station broadcasting that commercial advertisement, and the cable system performing the secondary transmission: And provided further, That such commercial alteration, deletion, or substitution is not performed for the purpose of deriving income from the sale of that commercial time.

    (4)

    Notwithstanding the provisions of clause (1) of this subsection, the secondary transmission to the public by a cable system of a performance or display of a work embodied in a primary transmission made by a broadcast station licensed by an appropriate governmental authority of Canada or Mexico is actionable as an act of infringement under section 501, and is fully subject to the remedies provided by sections 502 through 506 and section 509, if

    (A)

    with respect to Canadian signals, the community of the cable system is located more than 150 miles from the United States-Canadian border and is also located south of the forty-second parallel of latitude, or

    (B)

    with respect to Mexican signals, the secondary transmission is made by a cable system which received the primary transmission by means other than direct interception of a free space radio wave emitted by such broadcast television station, unless prior to April 15, 1976, such cable system was actually carrying, or was specifically authorized to carry, the signal of such foreign station on the system pursuant to the rules, regulations, or authorizations of the Federal Communications Commission.

    (d) Statutory License for Secondary Transmissions by Cable Systems. -

    (1)

    A cable system whose secondary transmissions have been subject to statutory licensing under subsection (c) shall, on a semiannual basis, deposit with the Register of Copyrights, in accordance with requirements that the Register shall prescribe by regulation -

    (A)

    a statement of account, covering the six months next preceding, specifying the number of channels on which the cable system made secondary transmissions to its subscribers, the names and locations of all primary transmitters whose transmissions were further transmitted by the cable system, the total number of subscribers, the gross amounts paid to the cable system for the basic service of providing secondary transmissions of primary broadcast transmitters, and such other data as the Register of Copyrights may from time to time prescribe by regulation. In determining the total number of subscribers and the gross amounts paid to the cable system for the basic service of providing secondary transmissions of primary broadcast transmitters, the system shall not include subscribers and amounts collected from subscribers receiving secondary transmissions for private home viewing pursuant to section 119. Such statement shall also include a special statement of account covering any nonnetwork television programming that was carried by the cable system in whole or in part beyond the local service area of the primary transmitter, under rules, regulations, or authorizations of the Federal Communications Commission permitting the substitution or addition of signals under certain circumstances, together with logs showing the times, dates, stations, and programs involved in such substituted or added carriage; and

    (B)

    except in the case of a cable system whose royalty is specified in subclause (C) or (D), a total royalty fee for the period covered by the statement, computed on the basis of specified percentages of the gross receipts from subscribers to the cable service during said period for the basic service of providing secondary transmissions of primary broadcast transmitters, as follows:

    (i)

    0.675 of 1 per centum of such gross receipts for the privilege of further transmitting any nonnetwork programming of a primary transmitter in whole or in part beyond the local service area of such primary transmitter, such amount to be applied against the fee, if any, payable pursuant to paragraphs (ii) through (iv);

    (ii)

    0.675 of 1 per centum of such gross receipts for the first distant signal equivalent;

    (iii)

    0.425 of 1 per centum of such gross receipts for each of the second, third, and fourth distant signal equivalents;

    (iv)

    0.2 of 1 per centum of such gross receipts for the fifth distant signal equivalent and each additional distant signal equivalent thereafter; and in computing the amounts payable under paragraphs (ii) through (iv), above, any fraction of a distant signal equivalent shall be computed at its fractional value and, in the case of any cable system located partly within and partly without the local service area of a primary transmitter, gross receipts shall be limited to those gross receipts derived from subscribers located without the local service area of such primary transmitter; and

    (C)

    if the actual gross receipts paid by subscribers to a cable system for the period covered by the statement for the basic service of providing secondary transmissions of primary broadcast transmitters total $80,000 or less, gross receipts of the cable system for the purpose of this subclause shall be computed by subtracting from such actual gross receipts the amount by which $80,000 exceeds such actual gross receipts, except that in no case shall a cable system's gross receipts be reduced to less than $3,000. The royalty fee payable under this subclause shall be 0.5 of 1 per centum, regardless of the number of distant signal equivalents, if any; and

    (D)

    if the actual gross receipts paid by subscribers to a cable system for the period covered by the statement, for the basic service of providing secondary transmissions of primary broadcast transmitters, are more than $80,000 but less than $160,000, the royalty fee payable under this subclause shall be

    (i)

    0.5 of 1 per centum of any gross receipts up to $80,000; and

    (ii)

    1 per centum of any gross receipts in excess of $80,000 but less than $160,000, regardless of the number of distant signal equivalents, if any.

    (2)

    The Register of Copyrights shall receive all fees deposited under this section and, after deducting the reasonable costs incurred by the Copyright Office under this section, shall deposit the balance in the Treasury of the United States, in such manner as the Secretary of the Treasury directs. All funds held by the Secretary of the Treasury shall be invested in interest-bearing United States securities for later distribution with interest by the Librarian of Congress in the event no controversy over distribution exists, or by a copyright arbitration royalty panel in the event a controversy over such distribution exists.

    (3)

    The royalty fees thus deposited shall, in accordance with the procedures provided by clause (4), be distributed to those among the following copyright owners who claim that their works were the subject of secondary transmissions by cable systems during the relevant semiannual period:

    (A)

    any such owner whose work was included in a secondary transmission made by a cable system of a nonnetwork television program in whole or in part beyond the local service area of the primary transmitter; and

    (B)

    any such owner whose work was included in a secondary transmission identified in a special statement of account deposited under clause (1)(A);

    (C)

    any such owner whose work was included in nonnetwork programming consisting exclusively of aural signals carried by a cable system in whole or in part beyond the local service area of the primary transmitter of such programs.

    (4)

    The royalty fees thus deposited shall be distributed in accordance with the following procedures:

    (A)

    During the month of July in each year, every person claiming to be entitled to statutory license fees for secondary transmissions shall file a claim with the Librarian of Congress, in accordance with requirements that the Librarian of Congress shall prescribe by regulation. Notwithstanding any provisions of the antitrust laws, for purposes of this clause any claimants may agree among themselves as to the proportionate division of statutory licensing fees among them, may lump their claims together and file them jointly or as a single claim, or may designate a common agent to receive payment on their behalf.

    (B)

    After the first day of August of each year, the Librarian of Congress shall, upon the recommendation of the Register of Copyrights, determine whether there exists a controversy concerning the distribution of royalty fees. If the Librarian determines that no such controversy exists, the Librarian shall, after deducting reasonable administrative costs under this section, distribute such fees to the copyright owners entitled to such fees, or to their designated agents. If the Librarian finds the existence of a controversy, the Librarian shall, pursuant to chapter 8 of this title, convene a copyright arbitration royalty panel to determine the distribution of royalty fees.

    (C)

    During the pendency of any proceeding under this subsection, the Librarian of Congress shall withhold from distribution an amount sufficient to satisfy all claims with respect to which a controversy exists, but shall have discretion to proceed to distribute any amounts that are not in controversy.

    (e) Nonsimultaneous Secondary Transmissions by Cable Systems. -

    (1)

    Notwithstanding those provisions of the second paragraph of subsection (f) relating to nonsimultaneous secondary transmissions by a cable system, any such transmissions are actionable as an act of infringement under section 501, and are fully subject to the remedies provided by sections 502 through 506 and sections 509 and 510, unless -

    (A)

    the program on the videotape is transmitted no more than one time to the cable system's subscribers; and

    (B)

    the copyrighted program, episode, or motion picture videotape, including the commercials contained within such program, episode, or picture, is transmitted without deletion or editing; and

    (C)

    an owner or officer of the cable system

    (i)

    prevents the duplication of the videotape while in the possession of the system,

    (ii)

    prevents unauthorized duplication while in the possession of the facility making the videotape for the system if the system owns or controls the facility, or takes reasonable precautions to prevent such duplication if it does not own or control the facility,

    (iii)

    takes adequate precautions to prevent duplication while the tape is being transported, and

    (iv)

    subject to clause (2), erases or destroys, or causes the erasure or destruction of, the videotape; and

    (D)

    within forty-five days after the end of each calendar quarter, an owner or officer of the cable system executes an affidavit attesting

    (i)

    to the steps and precautions taken to prevent duplication of the videotape, and

    (ii)

    subject to clause (2), to the erasure or destruction of all videotapes made or used during such quarter; and

    (E)

    such owner or officer places or causes each such affidavit, and affidavits received pursuant to clause (2)(C), to be placed in a file, open to public inspection, at such system's main office in the community where the transmission is made or in the nearest community where such system maintains an office; and

    (F)

    the nonsimultaneous transmission is one that the cable system would be authorized to transmit under the rules, regulations, and authorizations of the Federal Communications Commission in effect at the time of the nonsimultaneous transmission if the transmission had been made simultaneously, except that this subclause shall not apply to inadvertent or accidental transmissions.

    (2)

    If a cable system transfers to any person a videotape of a program nonsimultaneously transmitted by it, such transfer is actionable as an act of infringement under section 501, and is fully subject to the remedies provided by sections 502 through 506 and 509, except that, pursuant to a written, nonprofit contract providing for the equitable sharing of the costs of such videotape and its transfer, a videotape nonsimultaneously transmitted by it, in accordance with clause (1), may be transferred by one cable system in Alaska to another system in Alaska, by one cable system in Hawaii permitted to make such nonsimultaneous transmissions to another such cable system in Hawaii, or by one cable system in Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, or the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands, to another cable system in any of those three territories, if -

    (A)

    each such contract is available for public inspection in the offices of the cable systems involved, and a copy of such contract is filed, within thirty days after such contract is entered into, with the Copyright Office (which Office shall make each such contract available for public inspection); and

    (B)

    the cable system to which the videotape is transferred complies with clause (1)(A), (B), (C)(i), (iii), and (iv), and (D) through (F); and

    (C)

    such system provides a copy of the affidavit required to be made in accordance with clause (1)(D) to each cable system making a previous nonsimultaneous transmission of the same videotape.

    (3)

    This subsection shall not be construed to supersede the exclusivity protection provisions of any existing agreement, or any such agreement hereafter entered into, between a cable system and a television broadcast station in the area in which the cable system is located, or a network with which such station is affiliated.

    (4)

    As used in this subsection, the term ''videotape'', and each of its variant forms, means the reproduction of the images and sounds of a program or programs broadcast by a television broadcast station licensed by the Federal Communications Commission, regardless of the nature of the material objects, such as tapes or films, in which the reproduction is embodied.

    (f) Definitions. -

    As used in this section, the following terms and their variant forms mean the following:

    A ''primary transmission'' is a transmission made to the public by the transmitting facility whose signals are being received and further transmitted by the secondary transmission service, regardless of where or when the performance or display was first transmitted.

    A ''secondary transmission'' is the further transmitting of a primary transmission simultaneously with the primary transmission, or nonsimultaneously with the primary transmission if by a ''cable system'' not located in whole or in part within the boundary of the forty-eight contiguous States, Hawaii, or Puerto Rico: Provided, however, That a nonsimultaneous further transmission by a cable system located in Hawaii of a primary transmission shall be deemed to be a secondary transmission if the carriage of the television broadcast signal comprising such further transmission is permissible under the rules, regulations, or authorizations of the Federal Communications Commission.

    A ''cable system'' is a facility, located in any State, Territory, Trust Territory, or Possession, that in whole or in part receives signals transmitted or programs broadcast by one or more television broadcast stations licensed by the Federal Communications Commission, and makes secondary transmissions of such signals or programs by wires, cables, microwave, or other communications channels to subscribing members of the public who pay for such service. For purposes of determining the royalty fee under subsection (d)(1), two or more cable systems in contiguous communities under common ownership or control or operating from one headend shall be considered as one system.

    The ''local service area of a primary transmitter'', in the case of a television broadcast station, comprises the area in which such station is entitled to insist upon its signal being retransmitted by a cable system pursuant to the rules, regulations, and authorizations of the Federal Communications Commission in effect on April 15, 1976, or such station's television market as defined in section 76.55(e) of title 47, Code of Federal Regulations (as in effect on September 18, 1993), or any modifications to such television market made, on or after September 18, 1993, pursuant to section 76.55(e) or 76.59 of title 47 of the Code of Federal Regulations, or in the case of a television broadcast station licensed by an appropriate governmental authority of Canada or Mexico, the area in which it would be entitled to insist upon its signal being retransmitted if it were a television broadcast station subject to such rules, regulations, and authorizations. In the case of a low power television station, as defined by the rules and regulations of the Federal Communications Commission, the ''local service area of a primary transmitter'' comprises the area within 35 miles of the transmitter site, except that in the case of such a station located in a standard metropolitan statistical area which has one of the 50 largest populations of all standard metropolitan statistical areas (based on the 1980 decennial census of population taken by the Secretary of Commerce), the number of miles shall be 20 miles. The ''local service area of a primary transmitter'', in the case of a radio broadcast station, comprises the primary service area of such station, pursuant to the rules and regulations of the Federal Communications Commission.

    A ''distant signal equivalent'' is the value assigned to the secondary transmission of any nonnetwork television programming carried by a cable system in whole or in part beyond the local service area of the primary transmitter of such programming. It is computed by assigning a value of one to each independent station and a value of one-quarter to each network station and noncommercial educational station for the nonnetwork programming so carried pursuant to the rules, regulations, and authorizations of the Federal Communications Commission. The foregoing values for independent, network, and noncommercial educational stations are subject, however, to the following exceptions and limitations. Where the rules and regulations of the Federal Communications Commission require a cable system to omit the further transmission of a particular program and such rules and regulations also permit the substitution of another program embodying a performance or display of a work in place of the omitted transmission, or where such rules and regulations in effect on the date of enactment of this Act permit a cable system, at its election, to effect such deletion and substitution of a nonlive program or to carry additional programs not transmitted by primary transmitters within whose local service area the cable system is located, no value shall be assigned for the substituted or additional program; where the rules, regulations, or authorizations of the Federal Communications Commission in effect on the date of enactment of this Act permit a cable system, at its election, to omit the further transmission of a particular program and such rules, regulations, or authorizations also permit the substitution of another program embodying a performance or display of a work in place of the omitted transmission, the value assigned for the substituted or additional program shall be, in the case of a live program, the value of one full distant signal equivalent multiplied by a fraction that has as its numerator the number of days in the year in which such substitution occurs and as its denominator the number of days in the year. In the case of a station carried pursuant to the late-night or specialty programming rules of the Federal Communications Commission, or a station carried on a part-time basis where full-time carriage is not possible because the cable system lacks the activated channel capacity to retransmit on a full-time basis all signals which it is authorized to carry, the values for independent, network, and noncommercial educational stations set forth above, as the case may be, shall be multiplied by a fraction which is equal to the ratio of the broadcast hours of such station carried by the cable system to the total broadcast hours of the station.

    A ''network station'' is a television broadcast station that is owned or operated by, or affiliated with, one or more of the television networks in the United States providing nationwide transmissions, and that transmits a substantial part of the programming supplied by such networks for a substantial part of that station's typical broadcast day.

    An ''independent station'' is a commercial television broadcast station other than a network station.

    A ''noncommercial educational station'' is a television station that is a noncommercial educational broadcast station as defined in section 397 of title 47

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  51. 4 prongs by wiredog · · Score: 2

    The 4 prong plug is what was used before the rj-45(I think...) came out. You can get converters at Radio Shack to allow that type of plug to work in a modern system.

  52. Different take by M_Talon · · Score: 2

    Ok, I'm all for fair use rights (if you couldn't tell by the sig and the link), but I'm looking at this in a different light. I don't see this as squashing fair use. Encrypting means the PPV that I paid for and I'm broadcasting within my house can't be swiped by the dude next door who sets a receiver close enough to his outside wall. My set of devices are all keyed to a certain encryption, so I can watch what I want anywhere I want in the house, but nobody can intercept it. That actually protects my rights, most specifically privacy.

    This also keeps people from setting up "pirate" TV stations and such to broadcast the latest boxing match (*cough*fixed*cough*) to everyone on the block. I admit that might be a flawed reason because of FCC and whatnot, but I'm trying to demonstrate the logic here. This doesn't seem so much like a "copy-protect" as a "transmission-protect" method.

    It's worth following, though :)

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    1. Re:Different take by M_Talon · · Score: 2

      Hate replying to myself, but clarification here after a second read. This part does bother me (in relation to the "Thomson Multimedia's proposed SmartRight copy protection"):

      Content owners, for example, can start charging consumers every time their digital content is re-distributed within the home, or viewed several times during a certain number of days specified by them.

      Um, can we say DivX? That scheme will surely fail just like DivX did (and the way the "official" digital music sites are). People don't like to pay for what they feel they already have.

      Better idea...have us pay for the equipment and then let it be done. Charging for retransmission means your equipment won't be bought, and no money. Even the marketdroids should understand that concept.

      I don't give SmartRight two years lifespan on the market, if it even makes it to market.

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  53. Theft of Functionality by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Every time "rights management" technology is discussed, it seems to include a rather large number of functionality issues. This particular article touches (briefly) on performance hits for the various schemes presented. As if theft of consumer fair use rights isn't enough.

    It seems that the only way consumers in the future will have freedom to use the content they have paid for (think of it as media functionality) is to turn to pirated works. And once they have put forward the effort and expense to track down a suitable pirated work, one has to wonder how often the consumer will feel like bothering to purchase the legitimate product for that added bit of moral highground.

    Content owners seem deturmined to shoot themselves in the foot. And its the various technology companies, and their sales/marketing team, that are assuring the industry of an oportunity ("them's feet are good eatin'") and selling the shotguns.

  54. Multiple Sets... by ackthpt · · Score: 2
    IIRC cable companies charged per set, though many people put in their own splitters (which the cable companies frowned on, to the point of field techs chopping the extra wires or worse.)

    I presume there's a way for Philips to collect a fee for this or both them and the cable provider.

    For the most part I don't watch much TV anymore, particularly since losing first ABC then WB (and winding up with 2*NBC) in my market, but this is probably in reality a minefield. I have doubts about whether it'll come to pass, like 50% of what I've seen at CES of the past.

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  55. DRM and advertising by DeepDarkSky · · Score: 2

    It seems that with all the DRM - advertising and content sponsorship will be at odds with the content providers - or is it that instead of getting advertisers to pay for our consumption of content, we are now going to pay for it ourselves?

    Doesn't it seem like content rights holders are going to go head to head with the content distributors?

    Advertisers want their advertisements to be seen by as many people as possible. Content distributors (TV networks) rely on advertising to pay for the content. DRM generally (though not always, I suppose) want the consumers to pay for the content. Why should we, as consumers, start paying for so much content when advertisers used to always pay for them for us?

  56. Preventing piracy? by Graff · · Score: 2

    I must admit, I find myself in a quandary.

    On one hand I love technology and the ways it frees me to do what I want with what I have. I can rip CDs to mp3s and listen to them on my iPod or computer without lugging around tons of discs. I love short movie files of stuff I can find on the internet, like movie trailers. I love the fact that I can record TV shows to a hard drive or a DVD to play back later. I have a lot of fun playing the latest games, but I hate to have to jump through hoops to play them when they require passwords and other forms of protection.

    On the other hand I hate the abuses these technologies open up. I firmly believe that artists, songwriters, performers, and programmers should get paid for their hard work. I have no problems with companies charging for a good product. The problem is that all of the things I like about technology can be used to subvert the process of compensating all of these people for their work. Eventually piracy can lead us down the road to crippling the free movement of data and the ease-of-use that comes with it.

    So my question is how do we balance things? How can we ensure that the Fair-Use laws are upheld, yet still prevent the pirates from having free reign? Can a balance be struck between fair compensation and freedom to use a product? Does anyone here have any ideas that don't go to the one extreme of no protection of copyright or the other extreme of total lock-down of data?

  57. I'm not clear on the problem they think they have. by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hmm... so let me see if I understand this. If I take my computer, rip all my DVD's to DivX, then get a wireless card, anybody close enough to me in my apartment complex can potentially watch those movies.

    Okay, fair enough. Given the range of 802.11, I think maybe 6 people are close enough they'd get a decent signal. Which is fine because I think I wouldn't be able to handle much more than that since a dvd rip is roughly 1 megabit.

    For this to happen, all 6 of my neighbors would have to not only have computers (I think 2 of my neighbors have computers), wireless cards, and I'd have to talk to each one to give them information on how to hit my computer to get the info.

    I just don't see this happening. First off, with all the neighbors I've had in the past, I can only think of one that'd actually even try it, let alone rely on it.

    Secondly, I'm the only guy I know that has a computer permanently hooked up to a television. (gotta put my demo reel on VHS somehow!) I can't imagine any of my neighbors watching a movie on anything but their television.

    Third, for all the trouble this would take, I'd have better luck just sending them the movie over ICQ than by trying to get all this wireless bs worked out. As bandwidth improves, wireless as way to transmit it is even less interesting.

    I think wireless networks will take off, but I have trouble seeing people sharing their networks to other people. Who'd want to? I'd be afraid of security issues. I don't want my neighbor finding a way into my computer and reading my torrid emails to my girlfriend.

    I think the industry is solving the wrong problem. Instead of trying to encrypt very specific files over 802.11, how about trying to figure out how to make money on this. Check out http://www.intertainer.tv for an example. You pay them $4, and you can watch a full length movie immediately. That's a better service than I'd ever care to provide, and they can make money on it.

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  58. Re:There are no such things as "fair use rights." by GrenDel+Fuego · · Score: 2

    That law states that it is not infringement to copy media (or whatever) for personal use.

    That dosen't mean that the vendors are required to allow you to make the copies. They can do their best to prevent copying. It's just not infringement if you get around their block.

  59. Everything must be devoured or destroyed. by Alsee · · Score: 2

    copy protection and digital rights management over the wirelessly connected home has gained "a sense of urgency,"

    Even if you accept the most extreme position on protecting IP, there is absolutely no legitimate interest in people moving content from one place to another within the home.

    The only reason it has "gained a sense of urgency" is that it would be required for a universal end-to-end iron-fisted lockdown on everything.

    Digital Rights Management is an embodyment of the worst possible authoritarian regime. It MUST have total control of everything. Anything not under total lockdown is a potential leak that threatends to bring it crashing down. Everything must be devoured or destroyed.

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  60. You know by DAldredge · · Score: 2

    I would agree with you that "pro-recreational drug use " in your own home should be illegal IF the following was true.

    1: If you leave your house while high, you are put in a work detail for 2 weeks (doubleing every time you do this)

    2: If, for any reason, you HARM anyone (wife, husband, child, pet, other human) while under the effects of drugs you are executed.

    3: If you cause ANY disturbance while high you have to pay a large fine (> $5,000 USD)

    1. Re:You know by Catbeller · · Score: 2

      Should everyone who has a beer be put on a work detail for two weeks?

      Should you be executed for fighting while drunk? If so, exactly how many teenagers would make it past the age of 17?

      Should you pay a >$5000US file for getting drunk in any way and showing up in public and "disturbing" someone? Would the fact that you may disturb someone just by being drunk make you eligible for the police to confiscate your home?

      Remember, if you don't pay the fine, you go to jail, AND get all your stuff taken away, AND you lose your job, AND in some states can never vote again, AND if you try to run away from jail they will indeed shoot you in the back and kill you. Your blood will be spurting between your shaking fingers as you die, and your last thought will be the words of some poster saying you should be executed for being drunk...

      Isn't all this insane?? Hows does marijuana inspire such madness in the American mind? There is no thinking, just reactionary nonsense that destroys millions of people's lives.

      The productivity and lifetime lost due to such breathtakingly mindless laws must be measured in hundreds of thousands of man-years and a good fraction of a trillion dollars. Not to mention the loss of respect for the law, due to the fact, and it is a fact, that marijuana is ridiculously harmless, and sober and respectible people make up laws to annihilate people who use it, for no reason discernable to anyone. All fear, all legends, all unprovable... just jails, laws, and more jails.

      When alchohol is freely available, kills and injures millions, and for some reason we have adapted our culture to it with little comment. Because its America's Drug, and God help anyone who takes it away.

      I'm sorry, but mindlessness on this scale is a horror.

  61. TV sets DO cost $3000 or more... by Svartalf · · Score: 2

    The digital variety go for some $3000 and go up from there. It's part of why they don't have digital TV in the hands of the masses- it's not lack of ability to mass produce them, it's a lack of desire to put content out that they can't control 100% because someone could make a digital copy of the feed. Since there's not that many digital stations out there right now, the makers aren't ramping up production so the units for sale out there are limited production units and therefore expensive as all get-out.

    When the content providers start realizing that most of this is like worrying about locking up excrement in a fire safe, perhaps they'll lighten up and realize like they did with videotapes that it's better to sell the tapes cheap- in this case, they'll make a hell of a lot more money if they killed region coding and made DVDs mostly priced at $10-20 like most videotapes (I don't care what "added value" they're putting in the DVDs- it's NOT worth a 50-100% increase in the price in most cases...).

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  62. Let's skip all these little steps. by scott1853 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ya know, I don't think we'd need to worry about the government implementing the Matrix, it's going to be the RIAA and MPAA, and Microsoft.

    Why the hell would they think it's cost effective to prevent somebodies next door neighboor from grabbing a signal for some WWF pay-per-view event. By spending millions of dollars in man hours and equipment, they're going to protect themselves from the theft of a $7 show, that the thieves probably wouldn't have even watched if they had to pay for it.

  63. Re:heh... by swillden · · Score: 2

    How does one talk to a law?

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  64. Being drunk... by DAldredge · · Score: 2

    Being drunk is being under the effects of a drug, so the above would apply...

    Next time, please understand what you are responding to before you reply...

  65. But what if you're the company ... by drew_kime · · Score: 2

    ... that won't get to sell you another copy of the DVD, because the one you already own is device-encoded for a computer and you want to play it on a TV?

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  66. Why does this sound like... by cr0sh · · Score: 2

    From the tone of this article, it seems like they want to "up the stakes" and make you buy a copy of a movie PER SET or "rendering device" - ie, DVD player, etc (or at least have the ability to).

    It also sounds like they want to limit (ie, take away) the ability to have a central video source and switchboxes, etc that distribute the signal to one or more TVs (this can be done pretty cheaply and easily today - at one time, it was high end audio/video only - and in some cases, still is I imagine - there probably exist multi-drive multi-DVD changers out there, which can sit in a "media closet", with TVs and special transmitter/ remote systems to allow selection of different movies on different sets - it sounds like they want to gut this market as well!).

    You know something? I think the "consumer" (I hate that word) is out of the loop - it isn't "what the consumer wants" that drives these corporate behemoths toward profits - it is "they will take this, and like it" - and stupidly, the majority of the sheeple do!!! WTF?!

    I am sick of it! SICK OF IT ALL! Damn it, I want what I want - not what they want - f--- that!

    When will all of this end? How long has this been going on? At least since 1995 or 1996 - I am tired of this - I want it over! Give us a corporate controlled totalitarian police state with full surveilance and lock down for all sheeple OR MOVE THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY!!!!

    I can't begin to really express the way I feel. I know a lot of you feel the same way - SO WHY AREN'T WE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT? WHY DO WE JUST SIT HERE AND COMPLAIN? IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN _DO_?

    I swear - this is like some bad dream. Outside, the sun is shining, life goes on, most people are in ignorant bliss - how I wish I could join them. How I wish I could go and buy a DVD player, a pile of DVDs, and not feel a twinge of guilt. I can't do that. I have expressed here before how I feel I am doing a disservice by owning a 19 inch monitor with a SONY Trinitron tube - simply because it is made by SONY. I am tired.

    Tired.

    I suppose I will fight on, though, however I can...

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  67. Another AC on Crack by nanojath · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Yeah, next thing people will want wireless phones, wireless networks for their computers, they'll be selling wireless doorbells in the damn Hardware stores! This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. There's plenty of FCC approved, consumer bandwidth in the electromagnaetic spectrum for use in very local sgnialling, which is why we can have things like cordless phones, airports, and remote control cars.


    And hah hah, it's all funny, except for this: The computer as digital operator allows us to take all the communications that flow through our homes and do really neat things with them... and these content bastards are going to just screw it all up wanting to sniff every signal I send and impose all sorts of cumbersome rights management bullshit on my gear? Fuck them. I'm sick of these pissant media mobesters content tail wagging the giant, potential filled dog of digital media and communications technology. I'll buy another Phillips product when hell freezes over.

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    1. Re:Another AC on Crack by buysse · · Score: 2

      Calm down, have some dip.</carlin>

      I think that the "AC on Crack" was attempting to use that literary device commonly known as sarcasm. Perhaps you've heard of it.

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  68. Re:But realistically... by Jaysyn · · Score: 2

    If you think that they are _going broke_, I have some beautiful oceanfront property in Wyoming you might be interested in.

    Jaysyn

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  69. Re:Another victory for geeks' rights by SirSlud · · Score: 2

    My point wasn't so much that the /entire/ industry would go out of business, but rather that the industry would have to scale back. Yes, I can live without the EMIs, the Sonys. I can't live without someone else handling the distribution and promotion, but it doesn't matter to me if my fan bass is 1% that of the Britteny Spears' of the world, and that the media company that represents me is 0.5% the size of Sony's music devision. My comment was more about scale and whole 'number of fans' versus 'number of fans who are willing to pay X dollars per concert, listening, viewing, etc' ..

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  70. There actually is a bright side to this... by MsGeek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...maybe this technology might bring a more viable option for encrypting 802.11x traffic. Right now WEP is useless, and unless you encapsulate everything zipping around the network in encrypted tunnels you are fair game for "wardrivers."

    We need a practical means of strong crypto for wireless. If this need coincides with the questionable need for the MPAA and the RIAA and other entities to nickel and dime us every time we look at their precious content that's beside the point.

    The threats to the doctrine of Fair Use need to be addressed. Reasonable Intellectual Property rights (emphasis on REASONABLE) need to be preserved, but so does the doctrine of Fair Use.

    However, a lot of these ideas I've read about in the article sound like great ideas for solving the current wireless (In)security problems.

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  71. Re:There are no such things as "fair use rights." by HiThere · · Score: 2

    Why cannot people grasp that the copyright is a priviledge, not a right?

    You may argue that some provision for a copyright is mandated by the constitution, but that would be satisfied by a 1 year term. Certainly by a 5 year term.

    The copyright exists at all only to encourage the distribution of literature, art, technical information, etc. Any version which does not act to so encourage the distribution has no validity under the constitution of the US.
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  72. Yes he did by Archfeld · · Score: 2

    When God spoke to him last night he said it was ok to use any part of the collective works to be known as "the Bible" in any manner that was consistent with the spirit of the work. Final arbitration should be referred to J. Christ & Assoc.

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  73. Re:I'm not clear on the problem they think they ha by geekoid · · Score: 2

    They're looking at the future where most people will have the equipment this will take.
    I do agree that the solution you present is the best, it does mean they might have to compete, and they would want that, would they?
    this is what this boild down to, all the cable companies don't have to compete with each other because they hace exlusive rights to the wire that runs into your home, but with the Internet, anybody can become a content provider, and they can do ot pretty cheaply compared to the cable companies since thay won't havt to lay down the infra-structure... hmmmm I need to speak to a VC.

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  74. Notice which company *isn't* incorporating DRM? by jcoleman · · Score: 2
    Apple. Their copyright anti-circumvention efforts can be summed up in on phrase:

    "Don't Steal Music."

    It's on every single iPod/iTunes commercial.

  75. Capitalism and government two different things? by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 2

    Not for long, at the rate we're going in this country. Voting with your wallet is a good thing, but not if it becomes the ONLY way you can effectively vote.

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  76. Re:heh... by Danse · · Score: 2

    You just walk right up to it and start talking. Be warned, however, that it's about as effective as speaking to a congresscritter if you aren't handing them a big bag of money.

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  77. You got him! by Erris · · Score: 2

    Thanks, I was going to ask him if he thought inviting people into his dorm room was a "major copyright" violation. I'm waiting for Hilary and friends to demand that people watch DVDs on personal headsets, with blinders in dark windowless rooms.

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  78. Yes, indeed by knuth · · Score: 2

    Yes, indeed, it is the same Philips.

    Philips Intellectual Property and Standards, including CD digital audio and the Red Book.

    Philips Semiconductors, the ones who are in a tizzy about wireless "broadcasts" within a home.

  79. Re:Would that make it "copyprivilege"? by (void*) · · Score: 2

    Will you enter the bathroom labelled "female"? After all, female has got m-a-lee, must be the same!

  80. I have done this... by cr0sh · · Score: 2

    ...and while it seems to help a bit, it doesn't seem like the ultimate solution.

    I have this feeling, that if all of the geeks who are against this "stood up" and said "ENOUGH!", it would only be a whisper amongst shouts of the mob of ignorance and apathy that surrounds us.

    Depressing to say the least.

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  81. oops, there goes Phillips kudos by Com2Kid · · Score: 2

    Bolstered support by saying that putting copy protection on CDs was A Bad Thing(tm), lost it (and then some!) by saying that we can't watch a show on more then one TV.

    Not like a CatTV splitter doesn't work just as well anyways. ^_^

    Seriously though, uh, if I am PAYING (currently around $90 a month mind you) to watch something on a cable box, why should I have to pay MORE to move that signal to a nearbye TV? Or hell mabye I just MOVED my TV and I don't want to have to MOVE the cable box as well (especialy if the wires are already stretched to their limits, quality degrades FAST over standard RF/CATTV wires as their length increases, REALLY fast, wireless would probably have less issues anyways).

    Or mabye I just have one of Phillips flat screen TVs (I wish!!!) and I have an obsession with hanging it up in different parts of the room and I do not want to have to rewire my complete A/V center each time I do so.

    Hell, there is an idea for you, wireless A/V boxen that automaticaly configure themselves! That'd save me a ton of trouble, bleh.

  82. Re:Read 'em and weep by (void*) · · Score: 2

    There you have it. It's a legal right granted, as opposed to a natural one, like say, human rights. In other words, it is granted, on the condition that the fruits of copyrights benefit society. As opposed to the unconditional one, where withdrawing that right would constitute a crime.