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Selling Open Source on the Campaign Trail

Waldo Jaquith writes: "I'm a long-time advocate and user of open source and free software and, as of this morning, I am a candidate for the Charlottesville, VA (USA) City Council. Naturally, I see lots of areas in Charlottesville's IT infrastructure (as well as potential areas of expansion) where Linux and various free software projects would be ideal. But can I make that a talking point while campaigning? How do I make that concept accessible and interesting to 40,000 citizens?"

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  1. You don't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No one (the general public)'s interested in it. If someone asks you about your views on Open Source, then answer it truthfully, sure, but don't make it a campaign point to stand on. That's just foolish.

    1. Re:You don't by bribecka · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If someone asks you about your views on Open Source, then answer it truthfully, sure, but don't make it a campaign point to stand on.

      I'd be suprised if anyone asked about it. Why not include it in the "saving the city money" part of the platform. When asked about how you propose to save the city money, rattle off a few ways (I assume you have some!), and include the Open Source stuff in there. But I agree with the poster above, don't make it a major talking point.

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    2. Re:You don't by bribecka · · Score: 2

      I am sorry, but thats just the damn truth.

      True, maybe I should have clarified my post--if you *must* make a political angle out of open source for the general populace, the "save money" route is probably the easiest to sell and understand.

      But true, the overall savings may or maynot be anything to write home about.

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    3. Re:You don't by Afrosheen · · Score: 2

      If his city is facing a WinXP 'upgrade', the savings will be more than significant.

  2. Easy by Scrameustache · · Score: 3, Funny

    Tell 'em its cheap.
    Say the words "hard earn tax dollars"

    and be prepared to be called a dirty red commie.

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    1. Re:Easy by GreyPoopon · · Score: 3, Insightful
      and be prepared to answer the question: "how much will it cost to re - educate our personnel so they can use this new software"

      Agreed. I personally believe that the cost of re-education will be lower than the amount saved by switching to free software. However, you'd better be prepared to back that up with a good plan and some hard figures. Such might include outlining a gradual, planned transition from applications with the highest cost-saving potential.

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    2. Re:Easy by xmedar · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Also look for distributions and OSS projects based in your area, and ask them would they rather give money to Bill Gates or have it fueling the local economy. remind them that Microsoft has $38BN in cash just sitting in a bank account, doing nothing to help the US economy out of the slump. Plus you can tell them how much more secure the software is, how OSS contributes to "Homeland defense", how less time and money will be wasted on trying to get Microsoft to support their products, how the inherently "free" nature meshes with the pioneering and intensely meritocratic spirit of America. If all else fails try this as a slogan / soundbite "Mom, apple pie, open source and America, you know it makes sense"

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    3. Re:Easy by fobbman · · Score: 2

      Also remind them that since Microsoft stock does not pay dividends that there are vast amounts of wealth that aren't being taxed their fair share.

      Oh, and be prepared to call these shareholders dirty red commies as well.

    4. Re:Easy by charon_on_acheron · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Retraining Class Day 1-
      OK people, here is an example of your computer running Windows98. To use it, you turn it on by pressing this button. ... Now, type your name and password. ... Now double click on the icon for Word/Excel/CustomBuiltProgram.

      Now here is an example of your computer running Linux. To use it, you turn it on by pressing this button. ... Now, type your name and password. ... Now double click on the icon for Word/Excel/CustomBuiltProgram.

      Why do people think it is so much harder to use Linux than Windows? Granted, they would have a hard time loading Slackware 2 from twenty diskettes, ("Shit, I forgot which is the boot disk, and whick is the root disk.") but get real. Professional computer experts will load and configure the computer, install programs, network everything, and leave it ready for the user. The user just has to point and click.

      And ever see a user try to load Windows on a computer. Most of them are lost immediately. Which is to be expected, because it is not what they are familiar with. Give me a map and compass, drop me into the Amazon Rainforest, and I will be lost immediately too. But that Crocodile Hunter guy on TV would figure out where he is, and start walking. Might take him a week, but he would find his way out, while I would still be trying to reboot the compass.

    5. Re:Easy by arkanes · · Score: 2

      Companies are actually really, really, really bad about operating on a shoestring, at least in the general case. There's lots of reasons to use windows, not least of which is that a huge chunk of your workers are going to walk in the door familiar with it, but it's certainly not cost - retraining isn't as big of a deal as it's hyped to be. Most of the companies I've worked at have made large use of incredibly user-unfriendly mainframe systems, and the windows apps they user are often equally user-unfriendly and obscure. It's the consumer software thats slick and polished, not the buissness software that I see used alot. Why it's assumed that people at home are stupid but people at work are smart, I'll never understand.

    6. Re:Easy by ScumBiker · · Score: 2

      Actually, the main reason companies use MS software nowadays is the fact that it's heavily entrenched. Not cheaper, in fact mostly more expensive every year. What sucks is the "developers" around here that think that Visual Interdev is the cat's ass. Yikes!

      Politician dude, sell Open Source on it's cost. Make a plan. Stick to it. Consider talking about security. Tell the masses they really don't want Joe Hacker cozying up to their harddrives like a dog eating shit. Don't try to scare them though. Linux using X is incredibly easy to use. Good luck!

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    7. Re:Easy by Zeinfeld · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Agreed. I personally believe that the cost of re-education will be lower than the amount saved by switching to free software.

      That is very unlikely since the chances are that the city already has bought much of its software.

      I think the guy has no clue as to the relevance of open software to a town council or the amount of influence a junior councilor is likely to have.

      The division of responsibilities between city and state vary. Even so it is unlikely that a town of 40K would have more than 200 odd administrators. sure they may have a lot of police, teachers etc, but people in that type of job are unlikely to use very much software and that they do use is likely to be chosen for compatibility with county, state or federal systems.

      The running of the executive office is typically the responsibility of the mayor or an appointed chief executive. Either way that individual is not going to allow you to dictate their IT policy. If that person says that the cost is $1000 per employee to retrain them or that the open software option does not meet their needs it will be near impossible to persuade the rest of the council to override them, and if they did their motive is unlikely to be commitment to open source.

      More likely however is that the decision on which software to buy is made on an individual basis. If a secretary knows how to use word they get her a copy of word.

      However, you'd better be prepared to back that up with a good plan and some hard figures.

      A good place to start would be finding out how much the town spends each year on software and how much of that is on applications that have open source alternatives.

      The overwhelming probability is that most of the spending dollars on software go on low volume niche type software that would only be relevant to councils. Public sector accounting packages, pupil progress monitoring packages, police evidence management systems, court clerk management systems. The council that size might buy a hundred copies of Office a year for $40K but an accounting package might easily cost $100K plus the same again for installation, customization etc.

      While 40K might seem a lot to you it is not a major item in a city budget. If the only plank in your platform is that you can save the city 40K you should probably be directed to the suggestions box rather than the council chamber.

      The guy appears to share the somewhat arrogant assumption of many voters that the state is granting people a great favor by allowing them to work for considerably less than the going rate in industry. The choice of software has the greatest effect on the employees work environment. Why should some open source monomaniac decide that they have to use something different because their current software offends his religion?

      If open source has any validity it is about choice, not compulsion. The cost of software is irrelevant compared to the cost of employing the person who uses it.

      If you actually want to save the council money a much better approach is to look into opportunities to cut costs by outsourcing IT functions. Most companies outsource their payroll because it is cheaper to let ADT work out all the fiddly tax laws than have someone build that experience in house. Many companies outsource management of their email systems, it is cheaper for a company like USA.net to have 50 admins working 24x365 managing 500 companies email than it is for any of those companies to have a half time admin during business hours only.

      The problem for small enterprises (city governments being typical) is that they are simply too small to realise the savings of scale that large companies can.

      The cost of software is really not where the pain is. The Total Cost of Ownership and Return On Investment are the metrics used.

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    8. Re:Easy by xmedar · · Score: 2

      I was making the point about security in general, though the milspec stuff is also relevant, for example compare how much Nimda and Code Red cost corporations, and herefore the country as opposed to the OSS alternatives that don't have such devastating holes in them that allow virus writers to destroy value, it may not seem much compared to the human and economic cost of Sept 11, but a Sept 11 might only occur once a decade as opposed to a Code Red or Nimda that might happen on a weekly basis, ending up costing even more in terms of dollars than Sept 11 in the long run.

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    9. Re:Easy by xmedar · · Score: 2

      No they lend it to Enron and Argentina...

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    10. Re:Easy by ichimunki · · Score: 2

      Don't be stupid. Even emacs has drop-down menus, a toolbar, 3d scrollbars, and imaging capabilities. And if that's not easy enough (given how powerful the program is it can get a tad hairy), there are several text editors for KDE and Gnome that are quite a bit more like Word in the interface department.

      And frankly, this whole argument is a load to begin with. The same people you insist could never learn to use Linux are the same people who all went through DOS and whatever else back when there was no Windows. And unless kids have gotten radically dumber recently, it's no harder to learn to operate a text console than a GUI. Now I might not be the best example, but I certainly learned to manipulate text files on several different text-based OS'es by the 8th grade myself. Frankly, your example is perfect-- the person at fault there is the teacher. Imagine a math teacher who said stuff like "now to find the length of the hypoteneuse take the square root of the sum of the squares of the two sides of the right triangle" to a group of fourth graders. Hint: know your audience.

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    11. Re:Easy by Zeinfeld · · Score: 2
      First of all, last year my city updated all of the computers at the intermediate and high schools to Windows 2000. There are roughly 75-125 computers in the highschool alone. About 75-90 in the intermediate school. And then they added Office 2000 to those computers. Visual Studio 6.0 was later purchased for the roughly 40 computers in the Highschool computer lab.

      All at heavily subsidized education pricing, the student price for Office is $125, volume pricing would cut that further. So you are talking $7.5K per school in a computer lab that probably cost $1K per machine - $75K total.

      On top of that, the adult education system (this is state level, but it's still somewhat relevant) recently spent close to $3 million dollars to have a new database system developed

      My point exactly, commodity software is rarely a major cost in an enterprise budget. A single bespoke or semi-custom application eats up budget at an amazing rate.

      And that's just the school system. Pretty soon they're going to be upgraded to Windows XP since they want to use the OS that will be most likely featured on new computers. Now add to that the cost of upgrading the computers used by government jobs and you can see that things are really adding up. For a much larger city I would imagine the costs to be astronomical.

      These costs only seem large by comparison to personal finances. A town of 40,000 with a property tax of $500 a head has a budget of $20,000,000 at its disposal.

      The cost savings of open source only appear great because the old trick of only counting one side of the ledger is used while multiplying across a large number of users.

      In fact the cost of switching software is enormous. Try telling a Mac user that they have to use Windows and listen to the whines. Don't believe the slashdot ideology that claims that people are just itching to be rid of microsoft. Fact is that the vast majority of those users are just as happy with their O/S as Mac users are.

      Try to force what they are likely to see as crappy open source alternatives on those users and you will have a revolt. The UNIX command line may be regarded as the work of divine providence by slashdot readers, but face it, it is an ugly kludge.

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    12. Re:Easy by GreyPoopon · · Score: 2
      That is very unlikely since the chances are that the city already has bought much of its software.

      A year ago, I would have agreed with you on this point. However, the latest direction in Microsoft's licensing policies leads me now to believe otherwise. Perhaps we should call it "future cost avoidance." They may not save anything over what they have currently paid, but when they start upgrading computers and have to upgrade software as well, they are sure to avoid the future costs of "renting" software.

      The overwhelming probability is that most of the spending dollars on software go on low volume niche type software that would only be relevant to councils. Public sector accounting packages, pupil progress monitoring packages, police evidence management systems, court clerk management systems. The council that size might buy a hundred copies of Office a year for $40K but an accounting package might easily cost $100K plus the same again for installation, customization etc.

      I agree with you here. However, I'd like to think that there may be some Open Source alternatives for even those niche products that are used. I've found that even with a niche product, only a small subset of the actual functionality is used or needed. If somebody does a careful analysis, my guess is that some of those mongo expensive niche applications could be replaced with either something free or much less expensive. Perhaps open source advocates should actually evaluate what some of those high price applications are and consider devoting some resources to providing alternatives.

      Why should some open source monomaniac decide that they have to use something different because their current software offends his religion?

      I didn't really get the impression that he was all that fanatical. It seemed to me that he was an advocate of open source, and was interested in seeing if there was an angle and potential cost savings that could be used in his campaign.

      If you actually want to save the council money a much better approach is to look into opportunities to cut costs by outsourcing IT functions.

      This is simply not true, at least not in the general sense. While many companies have gone this route recently and outsourced all or most of their IT department, I'm not aware of any of them that actually saved money at the bottom line. All it does is transfer money from the fixed costs column to the variable costs column. And you can bet that there is a multiplier that gets thrown into the mix when they make this kind of transition. The employees of IT consulting firms are generally paid at least as much as those of the company requesting the service. They have the same benefits requirements. And you can bet that the consulting company is charging those costs plus a hefty premium back to their customer. After all, THEY need to make a profit too.

      Most companies outsource their payroll because it is cheaper to let ADT work out all the fiddly tax laws than have someone build that experience in house. Many companies outsource management of their email systems, it is cheaper for a company like USA.net to have 50 admins working 24x365 managing 500 companies email than it is for any of those companies to have a half time admin during business hours only.

      In these special cases, I agree with you. Unless the company requesting the service is extremely large, I believe it would be better to outsource payroll than to hire people with the correct tax law knowledge. The same is almost certainly true for e-mail and other commodity services. However, as the company (or government) size grows, the cost savings on this shrinks. At some point, it becomes more beneficial to move that function back "in-house." But I don't know of any city governments that are large enough to fit that description.

      The problem for small enterprises (city governments being typical) is that they are simply too small to realise the savings of scale that large companies can.

      I think this statement pretty much sums up our previous discussion. It's all about economies of scale, isn't it? :)

      The cost of software is really not where the pain is. The Total Cost of Ownership and Return On Investment are the metrics used.

      As I said before, I think this is changing. If the cost of software rises due to changes in licensing practices, I think that it can easily push the TCO numbers to higher levels. At this point, it's anybody's guess as to what the final impact of that will be. I think businesses (and governments) should keep a close watch on this, and be ready to act when TCO becomes unacceptable.

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  3. It's a different kind of accessibility... by einer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They're not going to be interested in what the software can do for them. They will be interested in fact that a significant amount of money will be freed in the budget. Don't go promising tax refunds or anything, but I think the financial benefit will be the most tangible to non-technical folk.

    1. Re:It's a different kind of accessibility... by jmccay · · Score: 2

      Stress the idea that the money freed up can go to other things. List what ever needs more money in your area. It would be a good idea to work up some potential number forecasts that show potential money that can me gainned and realocated elsewhere.

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    2. Re:It's a different kind of accessibility... by renehollan · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Indeed.

      There are two important selling points:

      1) It saves the taxpayers money which can be directed to better serve the community instead of a remote software vendor.

      2) Because the software is open, anyone can examine it to "check on" the government's IT operations. This may be a minor point, but it falls under the heading of "openness and accountability".

      An additional point, if you want to make it, is that the government is not vulnerable to security weaknesses that have plagued Microsoft software, of late.

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    3. Re:It's a different kind of accessibility... by renehollan · · Score: 2
      Your political critics and opponents will use a broad brush to denegrate a fine detail, and will use the finest details to derail any broad activities...

      They will do this anyway.

      Open source software is already in place, presumably because it is the best tool for the job, used by people who don't need hand-holding, or expensive "retraining". That speaks for itself.

      Of course, if it is not the best tool for the job (secretary's desks, etc.) it should not be there. Not yet, anyway.

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    4. Re:It's a different kind of accessibility... by arkanes · · Score: 5, Interesting

      IMO, a (good) secretary is much more likely to be able to handle staroffice or any other wierd thing you thow at them than thier boss will be. It's the VP who doesn't really USE his computer for anything besides e-mail and powerpoint that refuses to learn something new, not the secretary who spends all day actually USING thier computer and probably can adjust to a new word processor in no time.

    5. Re:It's a different kind of accessibility... by ImaLamer · · Score: 2

      Don't forget that code changes specific to your city may also help other cities develop their 'cheap' software products.

      Let the citizens know that while you are implementing this system, other cities are free to look in and even steal the code and use it there.

      Unlike other 'closed-source' products no one will be able to build on your improvements.

      I don't think that you don't want to help other cities, right? One major selling point could be, that being the work is open to review and even copied, other townships and cities can also benefit. Also in return other cities improvements may also return to benefit your own city.

      Makes sense right?

    6. Re:It's a different kind of accessibility... by Fred+Ferrigno · · Score: 2

      IME, secretaries and clerical workers who spend hours at a computer learn the one application they use, learn it well, but have an incredibly hard time adapting to anything new. My mother's office must be one of the few left in the world that refuse to adopt MS Office--not because of any political or economical issues, but because all the workers were trained on Word Perfect and are still getting used to the idea of Word Perfect outside of DOS. Sure, if you trained them to use vim, they'd probably be faster in it than any coder on Slashdot, but the effort needed to train them would be tremendous.

  4. Simple: "Show me the money?" by Uttles · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What do voters care about? Taxes. It's that simple. So, you want to get elected, voters want lower taxes. How do you react to this situation? Find a way to lower, or at least not increase, taxes. Open source solutions are free. Maintenance of such systems, contrary to what M$ heads would have you believe, is about the same cost, maybe even less (because once it's running, it JUST WORKS.) Now, let's follow along to make a logical conclusion:

    You want to be on the council.
    The voters don't want to pay as much tax.
    You want to use something that's free for IT purposes.
    Tell the voters that using free software would reduce costs!
    The voters will automatically imply that your action of reducing costs will lead to lowered taxes and BAM!! you're elected.

    Good luck!

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    1. Re:Simple: "Show me the money?" by 4of12 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't forget to mention in passing that the open source free software has been built up over many years in the world's leading universites and government institutions and it's high time that our governments took advantage of its investment in these quality resources. Otherwise, most voters will confuse free software with free beer ware and the crap they've downloaded for "free" off the internet that gave them a virus and nags them constantly to send money to a purported author.

      But OSS is but one very small part of the total equation of running and getting elected to local government.

      The big thing is, indeed, "show me the money". First, taxes. Second, visible services, like how many hours you stand in line at the Motor Vehicle Department to get a new drivers license.

      What impresses voters are politicians that fix potholes, pass ordinances against noise, are in favor of police, firefighters and teachers.

      Other measures are more controversial and if you want to get elected you'd best steer clear of divisive issues (such as zoning of a megastore) where 90% of the people are on one side of the issue and 90% of the money is on the other side of the issue. You can take care of those according to your conscience once you've made it into office.

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    2. Re:Simple: "Show me the money?" by drunkmonk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't think that taxes are really the focus of a city that size... I'd push that the money could be used to fix the big pothole on Second Street, to build a new park or add a new wing onto the local high school's science building or whatever. Offer them something tangible, which will not only make them happier but improve the overall value of the city.

    3. Re:Simple: "Show me the money?" by 3-State+Bit · · Score: 3, Funny

      The voters will automatically imply that your action of reducing costs will lead to lowered taxes and BAM!! you're elected.

      I'm no grammar NAZI or anything, but occasionally I come across usage guides in my dictionary, and one that I've come across all the time is that you should never mix up "imply" and "infer". This seemed strange to me, since I'd never heard anyone use them 'wrong'. It seemed as weird to have that in a usage guide than, say, "Don't confuse "fly" with "throw" or something. You're the first one I've actually heard use the "alternate" (nonstandard) forms. Cognrats!

    4. Re:Simple: "Show me the money?" by arkanes · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Getting a bit offtopic here, but do you actually KNOW any crackwhore baby factories, or do you just assume thats where all the money goes? I grew up in a rather poor region of California with a very high percentage of welfare moms, and I certainly don't know anyone who went out and got pregnant for the welfare check. It's FUD at it's worst, because we're talking about real human lives here.

      Couple other points: there's nothing wrong with socialism, it's a flattener - it creates a broad middle ground while minimizing the very poor and the very wealthy. If the odds of getting very wealthy in a capitalist society were more than very loosely based on merit, I might be more in favor of it, but as it is, I see a large middle ground as preferable to a small (15%? I forget) portion of the populace controlling 80% of the wealth.

      Last point re: minumum wage - while 15 is rather high, minumum wage is supposed to be a LIVING wage. Right now, if you work a 40 hour a week job at minumum wage, you can NOT AFFORD TO LIVE in most parts of America without outside assistance. Your views are consistent with someone who has never truly had to want, and has never faced a realistic prospect of starvation and had humbling experience of having to rely on someone elses generosity for your basic needs.

    5. Re:Simple: "Show me the money?" by Jaysyn · · Score: 2

      I am hoping that you just forgot your scarcasm tags, but you just lost my vote....

      Jaysyn

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    6. Re:Simple: "Show me the money?" by gorilla · · Score: 2

      You think that closed source software "Just Works"? I'm busy trying to get a $100,000 product, with $30,000 a year software support working.

    7. Re:Simple: "Show me the money?" by ncc74656 · · Score: 2
      Other measures are more controversial and if you want to get elected you'd best steer clear of divisive issues (such as zoning of a megastore) where 90% of the people are on one side of the issue and 90% of the money is on the other side of the issue.

      <offtopic>
      FWIW, when that issue popped up here in Las Vegas, most of the ordinary people were in favor of the megastores coming to town. It was a crack-addict county commissioner and the grocery-store union thugs who bought her that initially rammed a ban through the county commission. It took a petition, signed by tens of thousands, to get the ban lifted.

      Erin Kenny's still a crackhead, though. :-P
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    8. Re:Simple: "Show me the money?" by ncc74656 · · Score: 2
      [Socialism]'s a flattener

      Indeed it is...under socialism, everybody is equally miserable. Without it, people are free to go however far their skills, talents, and education will take them.

      minumum wage - while 15 is rather high, minumum wage is supposed to be a LIVING wage.

      Since when? The vast majority of minimum-wage earners are teenagers who live with their parents and work for gas money, etc. A fair number of them are older people who work to supplement their Social Security/pension/etc. or just to have something to do so they don't go nuts sitting at home and doing nothing. An insignificant number of people are stuck in the position of living off of a minimum-wage job, and for the ones who aren't afraid to put in a good day's work, the situation is usually short-term. As for the people who are unwilling to take advantage of the opportunities that are readily available for getting ahead in life, tough sh*t. Nobody said life was easy.

      All the minimum wage has ever been has been a means by which Big Labor can extort more money from "management" (if those minimum-wage guys are making more, then we deserve more to keep ahead of them). It also has the side effect of increasing unemployment, as some jobs can no longer be profitably carried out at a higher minimum wage. (I've noticed that the average McDonald's, for instance, has nowhere near as many people working in it today (with a minimum wage of $5.15?) than it did when I was working at one in high school (when the minimum wage was $3.15). Yes, they have newer equipment now that enables them to get the job done with fewer people...but why do you think they made the investment in the first place?)

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    9. Re:Simple: "Show me the money?" by onion2k · · Score: 2

      Yes. Absolutely. Changing from an MS solution, retraining the old staff and/or firing them and hiring new people (who, at current levels will cost much more.. an MCSE is about 2/3 the price per annum of a *nix admin), maybe changing hardware too, not to mention rewriting the legacy apps away from NT, if you can show that that will actually *save* tax dollars in the short term you'll be there, then sure, you'll win votes. Mind you, you'll also win a prize for fiction..

    10. Re:Simple: "Show me the money?" by Uttles · · Score: 2

      Hey jackass, what you don't mention is the countless hours of downtime due to the high school educated MCSE having to install upgrades, patches, etc every other day. MS software is not reliable, plain and simple. While it doesn't take a very smart person to be an MS admin, and maybe linux admins would cost a little more, you save the money tenfold in downtime.

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  5. Read my lips by Hal-9001 · · Score: 2

    If you invoke the possibility that Microsoft and the BSA might steal their hard-earned tax dollars, that will probably get their attention...

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  6. dont mangle our baby by SirSlud · · Score: 2

    be careful! don't promise a rose garden, thats all!

    Okay, for real:

    - tell people how much money you save
    - you'll have to proove that OS software really won't have a negative impact on services and IT progress of your city

    Basically, everything has to be on the upside versus propriatary software. If you can tie it in to huge $$$ saving by the city, thats a language every voter can talk.

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    1. Re:dont mangle our baby by Catiline · · Score: 2

      Basically, everything has to be on the upside versus propriatary software.
      Hmm.

    2. Re:dont mangle our baby by Catiline · · Score: 2
      Basically, everything has to be on the upside versus propriatary software.
      Hmm.
      • Cheaper Software: less taxes (or shifted budget)
      • Available Souce: expandability
      • Security Minded System: fewer virii or successful hacks
      • Standards Driven: wider availability

      Everything is on the upside versus proprietary systems. Sure, you'll fire a dozen MSCE monkeys, and may have to change your hardware, but just don't mention that.

      Oh and when your opponent calls you a Commie, call him a Nazi in Microsoft's pay. (Name calling can fly both ways; in these 'politically charged' times, it is also highly dangerous)
    3. Re:dont mangle our baby by Catiline · · Score: 2

      OOhhh, darn "Submit" and "Preview" buttons are right beside one another!

    4. Re:dont mangle our baby by SirSlud · · Score: 2

      Hehe, you're preaching to the converted! But to play devil's advocate:

      - can you garauntee support turnaround with OS?(ie, by talking OS, does he support paying people for support? accountability is a VERY important thing in politics .. you always have to make sure you can pass the buck :)
      - are there certain applications/services in which there exists no suitable OS alternative, and how would you handle that? (I'd ask, because I've seen OS pundits try to claim that OS software X is better than propriatary Y, when in reality, they are years apart in their feature sets)

      Anyhow, I'm just trying to think up questions and concerns voters might have about a politician who's interested in mandating the use of OS software in public services systems. It'd be interesting to see public reaction in his city to his attitude towards using OS software. Good luck to him!

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  7. Well... by Carik · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The only way I can see to make open source a valid point in an election is the issue of cost. If you can show that the city/state/district will save money and either reduce taxes or put more money towards, say, the schools, people might care. Otherwise, bringing it up will probably cause people to either ignore you, or decide you're a nerd and vote against you.

    Basically, the thing to remember is that most people who've even heard of linux have had it pitched by rabid fans, who make themselves more enemies than converts. If you're trying to convince these folks that linux/open source is worthwhile, you're going to have a hard time.

    And good luck in your run!

  8. It's not appropriate by blamanj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a citizen, do you think I want to know what brand asphalt you're going to use to fill the potholes? No, I just want to get it done. Details like that are for you and your staff to work out.

    1. Re:It's not appropriate by ChaosDiscordSimple · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As a citizen, do you think I want to know what brand asphalt you're going to use to fill the potholes?

      Actually, if some of the asphalt vendors have "Asphalt User License Agreements" that restrict the local government's usage of the asphalt, expose the government to random audits and potentially crippling fines for violations of the license agreement, I would be very interested in my local goverments choice in asphalt.

      (And since I suspect that agreements like this actually exist for some government construction projects, I really do want politicians discuss such issues.)

    2. Re:It's not appropriate by blamanj · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But what about the voting citizens? They're alot smaller, some of them do care what kind of asphalt you use.

      Invite all three of them to a public hearing.

      Seriously, this is not a campaign issue. It is a means to an end, e.g., if I can save money, make govt. run more efficiently, etc., then you campaign on those items as issues and when or if you get into a discussion on details, then you bring up the processes and techniques you'll use.

    3. Re:It's not appropriate by blamanj · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I really do want politicians discuss such issues.

      But the issue you want discussed is not asphalt, but the cost of goverment or too much control or interference by contractors and vendors. Asphalt will be but one example.

      And you'd better be damn sure it's a significant issue, cost, or problem before you bring it up, because 1) your time to get an "elect me" message out is limited, and 2) if your constituents don't find it compelling you'll never get a chance to solve the problem.

      Every politician has severe time/message/dollar optimization problem. That's why negative campaigning is so effective. It's often more efficient to say "My opponent is scum" that to build up a set of compelling arguments about why your position on all the key issues is superior.

    4. Re:It's not appropriate by SmittyTheBold · · Score: 2

      I don't particularly want to know what type of asphalt is used either - but that should still be kept on record. The same applies to buildings - the architectural diagrams should be kept on record. That way the public can make the best use of a building at a later date. Open records are good - and so is open code. Still, the choice to keep source code openly available is a personal choice for the person funding it. There's the catch - It's my money paying for it, I should be able to see the resultant code.

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  9. Listen... by billmaly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Be reasonable and willing to compromise. Other people will sometimes need to have their way, even if it is wrong. Remember, while often times most palatable, open source is not always the best solution (no flames please!).

    Try not to be an open source zealot....most people won't understand, and, if and when something goes to hell, your "free" software will be blamed. CYA!!!

  10. Indirectly? by benedict · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I suspect that talking about "open source" won't
    mean a lot to your constituency. However, you can
    say that you have ideas about how to streamline
    governmental IT budgets without cutting services.

    A more subtle point is that open source improves
    openness. Using open file formats and protocols
    protects the government and the public from vendor
    lock-in. It also improves the chance that government archives will still be accessible in
    the middling and distant future. I don't know
    how you can make these points sound-bite-friendly,
    but it's worth thinking about.

    --
    Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems."
    1. Re:Indirectly? by Jason+Earl · · Score: 2

      Hopefully Timothy you have more of a platform that Free Software. If that is the case, then tailor your message to the audience. When posting to /. talk about Free Software, when talking to businessmen use phrases like "fiscal responsibility," "lower taxes," or "increased services." When pushed for details then you can mention specifics (like Key Largo and their IT infrastructure). When talking to soccer moms, stress the importance of public education.

      There is no way to make Free Software sound bite friendly. Half the of the words that we use have at least somewhat negative connotations with most normal folk. In fact, even the phrase "Free Software" is problematic unless you are talking to an audience that knows what Emacs is. Whatever you do, don't mention the word "hacker."

      Good Luck.

    2. Re:Indirectly? by PD · · Score: 2

      Take things in order: 1) First, get elected. Kiss babies, make promises, tell everybody what they want to hear. Everyone does it. You can't contribute unless you get elected. A free software platform is noble, but won't get you elected. 2) Do good.

  11. I wish you luck by C.+Mattix · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The trick that you would need to do is to make sure you wrap a lot of the OS rheteroric in a way that doesn't sound communist or anti-capitalist.
    As soon as your opponent would say: " wants to give away all software, and that will cost jobs, especially in this industry where people are being laid off now" then you are sunk with the 40,000 people who don't know the industry.
    Another thing you will realize, is that, on the whole, people don't care about the same things that get discussed on here. They just don't. Perhaps they should, but that doesn't make it happen. So again, I wish you luck.

  12. 40,000 or 400? by spamkabuki · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't think you can make the general voting populace care about open source as a campaign issue. It will just distract from your other (I hope) sound campaign stances.

    OTOH, campaigns aren't won by getting all the votes, just by getting enough. Elections can be decided by a slim margin. Will 400 more votes make the difference for you? Maybe.

    You can talk about open source to the right people; LUGs, CS students at local schools, IT/tech workers, etc. Target your open source msg to these folks and bring in non-voters or sway fence-sitters in these groups.

    Once you win, push open source solutions to save money. Tax payers love saving money on gov't budgets. You can then use this goodwill/political capital to get things done and/or continue to serve in gov't.

  13. Forget It by RazzleFrog · · Score: 2, Funny

    a) A large percentage of consistent voters are the elderly who would be totally lost when you started talking about this. "Open Source? I'll show you some open sores."

    b) Most people who would be knowledgable (primarily young men) would be too busy playing {Enter Latest Game Here} to remember to vote.

    c) If you already have systems up and running and existing licenses then the savings would be more long term than short term. This is always bad since people have a short - what the hell was I saying?

  14. Price / Performance by hrieke · · Score: 2

    Sell them on the cost.
    After all, if the city government doesn't have to pay up fees, buy (most) software, worry about viri, and the other day to day details of IT software cost, then the money spent on that can go else where, say providing a few people to do support and development for the custom apps that the city will want.

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  15. Open Source Spin by yndrd · · Score: 2, Informative

    Some general directions to try:

    • Cite it as part of a drive to cut costs in the government.
    • Ask why most of the software used by the government of a democracy is created by a single corporation.
    • Include it as a point of reference to demonstrate ways you won't be doing business as usual (not the centerpiece, but one of many contributing factors).
    • Mention that it may help create a more secure government web strategy (instead of Microsoft).
    • Find out if there are open source companies/developers in your area and promote it as a way to fuel the local tech economy.

    Those are just off the top of my head. I agree with other posters that not too many people are concerned with open source directly, but as a symbol of democracy, free market capitalism, and innovation, it might help you make some points.

  16. State the problem. Show tha Linux is the solution. by skoda · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Fundamentally, you need to be pushing a solution to a problem people care about. Or you need to provide a better way of doing things, that is worth the hassle of accepting. Change for change's sake is scary to voters. And if you're trying to push Linux just because it's l33t and r00lz, then quit now; you're just wasting people's time.

    If you can demonstrate that using Linux will...
    - Reduce computer costs and free up more money for education...
    - Make it easier for kids to get computers, to play and learn with (and so develop future job skills)...
    - Have a proven track record of being more secure against attackers...
    - Will enable computers and related services to more available, more quickly to e.g. rural areas than otherwise...

    ...then you've got something you can sell to non computer-geek voters.

    You need to simply identify how using OSS well improve your would-be constituents' lives.

  17. UVA - Don't ignore the students! by geddes · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't know how accesable "open-source" stuff is to "the people" but you can't ignore the University of Virginia - located right in Charlottesville! Now, clearly not all the students there are registered voters in charlottesville but I'd guess about 1/3 of them are (maybe more since UVA is 60% in state students) - and for these students I bet open source is not only an idea accesable to them, but an issue otherwise jaded and synical students would be willing to get of thier buts and vote on. Also I am sure a fair number of the professors and staff would be interested in this to - so it is an issue you can definantely bring up when campaigning on the UVA campus! Good luck!

  18. Savings. by Matt2000 · · Score: 2, Flamebait


    Depends what the potential savings are to your constituents. If you can present open source software in concrete terms as in "Ditching Microsoft will pay for one more school per year in our city" then perhaps people will listen.

    Otherwise you'll have exactly one extra vote, from RMS.

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  19. Okay, first, let's be realistic... by Takeel · · Score: 2, Insightful
    If you decide to try to transition the local government to open source software, you'll have to expend resources to train everyone that's used to using Word and Excel on Windows to use something else on Linux. In addition, you'll have to pay someone to install all those copies of Linux and friends, and most likely the current support staff isn't equipped to support Linux and Linux-based applications.

    Something like this will most likely end up costing more in the end.

  20. Communicating the value of open source by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 2
    You could emphasise that this (open source) software is made by groups whose objective is to write software that works as correctly and efficiently as possible.

    This is opposed to corporations that write software that's just barely good enough to sell copies and make money. Once you've paid them, whether it works or not is of no importance anymore.

    With open source, quality of software wins over the ignorant boss's/management's priorities every time.

  21. It's the budget by metis · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I'd say the most important way you can effectively sell Open Software is as a cost saving measure.

    • reduced cost of licencing
    • reduced cost of licence compliance
    • reduced cost of dealing with security
    • reduced waste in government offices (open software tends to have less feature-creep, which means less time doing stuff that shouldn't be done at all (like writing your memos in three columns).
    Issues of freedom come second. The problem is they are more abstract, difficult to grasp, and non-local. And you are not running for President so your voters might not care about your opinions about copyright and copyleft.

    Of course if you were running in Berkeley, things might be different ;-) but you aren't.

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  22. Re:Don't by CrackElf · · Score: 2

    Now that is sensible.

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    "Blake is an idealist, Jenna. He cannot afford to think." - Kerr Avon, Star One, Blakes 7
  23. How is this a municipal issue? by EisPick · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Would you vote for a landscaper whose campaign speeches were treatises on the merits of hardwood mulch over pine bark mulch? Or an auto mechanic who promised to improve the performance of the city's vehicle fleet by switching to synthetic motor oil?

    I know I wouldn't.

    If you're running for city council, stick to the top issues in municipal government: schools, taxes, crime, etc.

    At most you might say something like "as information technology becomes increasingly important to the successful managment of any business or government, our city council would benefit by having a member who understands how to apply IT tools to improve the function of city government." But leave it at that.

    1. Re:How is this a municipal issue? by Danse · · Score: 2

      Not necessarily. Hell, he's probably more qualified to take on the bigger issues than most twits that run for a city office. As long as he has the sense to consult the right people, he can make the right decisions in areas where he's not an expert.

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      It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds. - Captain Hammer
    2. Re:How is this a municipal issue? by praedor · · Score: 2

      It's a municipal issue in regards to funding and who has a finger of control in the system. With the open software, it is cheaper (period), and prevents clowns like M$ lawyers from playing thug and doing audits to make sure you have paid their extortion money (licenses) again and again and again.


      Landscaping can also be a municipal issue, by the by. Out here in the desert, you use landscaping in the form of city-funded and controlled landscaping demonstration projects to encourage people to kill their damn lawns and do xeroscaping (in a desert like Nevada, Utah, and so forth, xeroscaping saves water, a shared critical resource that costs money to boot).


      The open software thing would be a mere sideline special interest item for certain IT consituents - but it could also be used to push for local schools to adopt more and more of it. Save money, protect from a monstrous company extorting local gov and schools. A real live issue.

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  24. Money and money by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Make the point of "Why are we spending large amounts of money on licenses and opening outselves to spending even more defending ourselves against charges that we haven't bought enough, when there's software available that does the job and which doesn't require a license per seat?". Point out the state and municipal governments that've gotten audited by companies like Microsoft and had to spend large amounts of the taxpayer's money to prove they really did have all the licenses they needed. Ask whether this is really a prudent way to spend tax money, when there's an alternative available.

  25. The easy sell by BadDoggie · · Score: 4, Insightful
    While everyone here will point out that the "cost of Linux" is almost nothing, that ain't the case. There's the change-over, rollout, administrators, etc. However, you point out that these costs exist with Microsoft as well, so that you have the same costs. What you do NOT have is the culpability. With Linux and Open Source software, no one can come in and make demands. Microsoft can't come in and demand $130K like they did in Virginia Beach.

    Furthermore, you can explain briefly how with the source code available, special changes to the software for specific needs can be done by any programmer and the city won't have to buy $100K of custom software -- $100K will easily get you a couple full-time programmers in Charlottesville for a year.

    Just remember, voters don't want things complex, and TV and papers will almost never let you discuss anything in detail, so it's got to be something simple and quick. "If we change to Linux, our base costs will be less and our long term costs will save the city X dollars over Y years." "Remember Virginia Beach and the Microsoft audit! One hundred twenty-nine THOUSAND dollars for software the city already bought!!!" You get the idea, otherwise, give up politics. (:

    woof.

    1. Re:The easy sell by nickm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ah, but the cost is not the end of the equation for government spending! Take this example:

      Suppose that the overall cost of the operation were the same whether you used free software or a completely Microsoft-driven solution. Where does the money GO? In the Microsoft case, we know where it goes. It lines the pockets of executives in Bellevue and Mercer Island. In the case of the free software solution, the money goes to LOCAL CONTRACTORS AND CITY EMPLOYEES.

      Yes, that's right folks. It makes JOBS. And it's JOBS that prop up the economy in these troubled times. Keep the money at home in Charlottesville!

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    2. Re:The easy sell by gnovos · · Score: 2

      Just remember, voters don't want things complex

      I'm a voter, and I want things to be complex. I want somone to go over all the nitty-gritty details. I would vote for somone who didn't trat me like an idiot in a second. The atmosphere nowadays is so bad that I would vote for that , even if I didn't agree with a word he was saying. In my book, a politican who doesn't treat his voters like simpltons is going to be able to sway my vote no matter what his beliefs.

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    3. Re:The easy sell by Tony-A · · Score: 2

      Don't forget the cost of anti-virus software that at best is always trying to play catch-up. And the cost of recovering when it misses a beat.

  26. Quite simple, really by AugstWest · · Score: 5, Funny

    How do I make that concept accessible and interesting to 40,000 citizens?

    Use puppets. MAke one of them act mean, make the other one act kind, and make sure that the kind one explains the moral at the end.

    Barring that, most voters won't pay attention.

  27. How about by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 2

    Say something like "Although I recognize that the American Dream has always been that somebody can take an idea and roll it into a million dollar business, I also believe that ONE SPECIFIC million dollar business is EVIL(tm) and therefore, suggest that we run this city using free software written in the free time of college students, and by philosophers who tend to wear brown robes." That should get the underlying ideas across. And after all, your opponent will only be talking about, you know, taxes, crime prevention, improving public works, The Safety Of The Children(tm) and other such inconsequentials. Sticking It To Microsoft!(tm) is MUCH more important to them all.

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  28. hmm by nomadic · · Score: 2

    How do I make that concept accessible and interesting to 40,000 citizens?"

    You can't.

    Be vague. Find out how much the city spent on open-source server software, figure out how much they can save, then write in your campaign literature: "An IT professional, recently did an analysis of the city's computer infrastructure, and found that it was wasting . As a member of the council, will be able to help eliminate this kind of wasteful spending." For small municipal elections, you can usually win by drowning out the other candidates with enough colorful, interesting ads.

    I wouldn't try to replace all the workstation software; it would just be too costly and inefficient in the end.

  29. Where's Waldo? by Soko · · Score: 2

    Don't know - Slashdot effect in effect. ;)

    Seriously, I'd be careful, if I were you.

    There may be certain legal repercussions. As well, are you campaigning for councillor or the city's IT Manager position?

    Talk about taking all expendatures to task with the various Department heads. Then use Open Source Software as an example of how to save money long term - that would buy you more credibility. Stay away if you can from subjects that contain "Corporate Control" and "Legal Issues" - they tend to glaze the eyes of John Q. Public.

    Remember, this isn't a Slashdot poll.

    Soko

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  30. Lower Taxes by isa-kuruption · · Score: 2

    Offer them tax breaks... if less money to spent on municiple spending, specifically on computer systems, that means more money can be spent on other things like the little league, the police... and even lower taxes.

    1. Re:Lower Taxes by isa-kuruption · · Score: 2

      Oh you're democrat.

      That means, increased taxes to increase spending on paving roads that were paved last in year in order to contract the job out to your brother, who just happens to own a paving company (which you actually had 25% ownership of before you got elected), at a higher than average rate so you get a cutback from the job....

  31. Interesting "Ask Slashdot" by sulli · · Score: 2
    Better than some I've seen!

    I have to me-too the other posts: you're saving taxpayers' money. Bashing Microsoft may be fun (and many of your constituents may agree with you) but it doesn't mean anything if there isn't real savings and/or improved productivity.

    You may also be benefiting the community by opening the source of work done for the city; custom work is done for cities' web tools, etc., and this could be useful to your constituents as well as other municipal webmasters (for example).

    I must say, though, that I bet this is not your constituents' highest priority. Here in SF, CA it's the usual suspects: the economy, jobs, homeless, crime, transportation, housing, etc., etc. The OS used in city government is not on the radar of even one percent of voters, I guarantee it. So make sure you have other issues you're running on as well!

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  32. Use anti-spam as a selling point instead. by Mustang+Matt · · Score: 2

    Tell people you're all for sending spammers to hell. I'd vote for you.

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  33. Who owns your Data & how much do they extort? by swv3752 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Several people have written articles on how MS and others are moving to a pure leasing arangement. At some point you will be paying monthly and if you stop paying, you will be unable to access your data. Add in DMCA nightmares of reverse engineering prevention, and the future is very bleak. Plus, how can you trust a convicted monopolist?

    And have They been to your city yet. Use it to your advantage. Use examples of other successful places. Between a lower budget, better reliability, and no fears of data lockup, it would make a good plank in your platform, but you will need other things to make a stand on. Lastly, be prepared for some mud slinging. Probalby they will paint OSS as commie or some other Non-American thing. Explain it as being Christian (give unto poor) and use other metaphors to make the populace think of Free software writers as good charitable folks. Might want to avoid outright speaking of it as Christian, but as a politician, you should know how to turn a phrase to put an idea in the populace's mind.

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  34. The REAL answer by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2

    No one cares. Let me say that one more time: No one cares. And again, but louder: NO ONE CARES ABOUT OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE.

    If you make it a campaign focus, you will lose, simple as that.

    If you care about this issue, then fine, but learn the first rule of politics: you have to get elected. That means figure out what your constituents care about, and propose solutions to THOSE problems.

    If you get elected, then you can try and push OSS software if you want and think it's important. But don't fool yourself into thinking that this issue is important to the average person.

    And one last: Never fool yourself into thinking that it SHOULD be important to the average person, because it just isn't compared to other problems.

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  35. Be specific.. by sid_vicious · · Score: 2

    As a general rule, it drives me nuts when politicians make a big pie-in-the-sky speech and fail to back up their promises with a specific plan, or to make that plan accessible to the general public.

    To that end, if you've got real identifiable places where IT could be streamlined with open source products, develop a plan. Make it accessible (both in the physical sense -- it's on a website, and the site has a name I'll remember) and in the mental sense. Even if regular folk could access all 7000 pages of this year's tax bill, no one would understand it -- it's not mentally accessible to us. Finally, bullet-ize the major benefits your consituency will get out of open source, and remember your audience -- focus on direct and immediate benefits of open source (reduce taxes? make more government services available? get out from under Redmond's thumb? -- you should know your consituency, you know what'll resonate with them).

    By the time you hit the campaign trail, your message should be "I'm going to reform our local government's IT with open source software. Your benefits from this reform will be x, y, and z. Find out more about my plan at votewaldo.org." Then, make the information you present on the website detailed and specific, but accessible to the average voter.

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  36. Hey if don't work in Charlottesville by thumbtack · · Score: 2

    Come on down the road a bit to Roanoke, we're cheap down here, and it would probably be an easy sell.

  37. Careful on this one by fobbman · · Score: 2

    Keep your target voter in mind on this one. If you have a large segment of IT professionals in your district then it's okay to get geeky about the whole IT issue. However, if you are looking at a largely-technophobic constituency you might run into the "if it's open-source then it's insecure" mentality, and no matter how many times you explain it you aren't going to sink in with some of them.

    A possible strategy would be "The county is currently running a computer system that jeopardizes the security and reliability of the IT infrastructure in our county offices, and I have proven solutions that could dramatically correct these issues and at the same time save taxpayers thousands of dollars a year in unnecessary IT purchases".

    Bring to their attention insecurity of data and inefficiency of spending, and then tell them how you are going to fix it.

  38. Re:Hi, I don't really have a platform... by Eloquence · · Score: 5, Informative
    Your attitude is one of the main reasons it's so hard to achieve anything on the political level. Here's a guy who does something on a local scale, which could be a model for others if it's successful. He asks for input from the Slashdot "community", and people from all over the world reply what their political ideas are and how they think they could be turned into practice. Ideally, the guy will listen. That's exactly the kind of thing that needs to happen, and the open-source community (of which Slashdot is, like it or not, an advocacy channel) needs to push its people into politics, or to get the knowledge to the politicians.

    As for the cost savings, yes, Linux can cost more money than it saves when the transition is not carefully planned and executed. Part of the reason for that is the large number of people who "make Linux harder than it is", as Roblimo, IIRC, pointed out. There is a variety of extremely simple graphical e-mail clients. Konqueror or Mozilla are both web browsers that can be used by almost anyone (whereas Konqueror can be set up easily by anyone with half a clue to look and act like IE). It's exactly the Internet client problems that are mostly solved on the desktop. Don't invent problems that do not exist. Surely you could set up mutt and procmail on a library computer, but then don't be surprised if people point and laugh.

    But cost savings are not the main reason to move to Linux. The main reason are the long-term benefits of source code openness, which includes easy expandability, which is a major plus, because many additions by anyone from government agencies to corporations will be returned into the pool of open source software, to the benefit of all -- the more open-source software (GPL) is used, the more powerful this effect becomes (and there's the obvious "given enough eyes .." security/stability advantage, which also increases exponentially). Also, schools and libraries will not have to deal with unmanageable obsolescence cycles which are deliberately created by the Wintel duopoly. OSS will make computers better, more easy-to-use and cheaper. You should support those trying to make that difference, or become one of them.

  39. you've overlooked the solution by Chundra · · Score: 2

    "How do I make that concept accessible and interesting to 40,000 citizens?"

    It's so easy! Dress up in a fuzzy penguin suit and hand out debian cds to everyone you see. Most of them won't know what to do with the cds, but you'll save a few souls I'm sure. For the rest of them... well, hey, you're wearing a cute, fuzzy, penguin suit. And that's something everyone will find both interesting and accessible. I mean, how many politicians walk around in penguin suits? None. You'd be the talk of the town. Hell, the nation. Maybe even the world.

  40. Trade by inerte · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wow that's an interesting and provocative question. Sadly I don't have the time tight now to give you a proper answer, when I get back home I will expand some thoughts that now I lay down.

    First, obvious to someone who's going to vote, you have how much money the city or the governament scope will save. Then after you PROVE and you do your little MARKETING (hey that's politics) of how you are going to save money, say that this money is going to be used for:

    1) Buy schools new computer, hire people to teach computer classes to children (education issues)
    2) Build a network among schools, fireman, police, hospital, etc... (health, security, future issues)
    3) Found user groups so people can help people (community issues)

    Okay, that's enough, my boss is calling me. Anyway, you must find a balance between what people traditionally want from politicians (all the good and the ugly of it) and how using open source will satisfy these needs.

    Money is the first thing someone would think, but you also have Microsoft that may OR may not crumble (even if just a little) with the trials.

    Say to people: "Hey, let's not buy software from a company that been accused of doing Bad Things to us. Choose an alternative! Vote for me, bla bla bla".

    Politicians do this all the time (playing with what MIGHT happen and exagerating the facts or assumptions).

    I don't know how your personality is, if you can play this political game or not. Anyway, you will have to.. and once you start (I don't know your past) you will have to make these little concessions.

    Draw on papers what people want and what Open Source can give you. Than separate these two piles of paper and in between go filling the table with the arguments that you will use, topics that you will choose. If you can make a lot, and good, connections, maybe it will work. Just remember to judge stuff from the point of view from someone who's going to vote for you.

    Last, go to schools, universities, user groups, star trek meetings around your area and get as many as geeks as is possible to, of course, vote for you and give you more ideas. (think globally, act locally ;-))

  41. NO no NO no NO no by nomadic · · Score: 2

    However, if you are looking at a largely-technophobic constituency you might run into the "if it's open-source then it's insecure" mentality, and no matter how many times you explain it you aren't going to sink in with some of them.

    No, you're going to run into the "what does source mean in this context? and what makes it open? secure? secure from what?" mentality. I swear, from the way people here talk you'd think the entire population of the US read slashdot. The average voter/citizen has almost no interest in comparing an operating system that they don't understand with an operating system they've never heard of. A large percentage of them probably have never heard of the term "operating system". They still don't quite get the idea of e-mail, though they might be able to use it if it's set up for them. Linux isn't even a blip on their radar, and the idea of modifiable "source code" is totally beyond them. It has nothing to do with intelligence or education, it's simply that they just don't get involved in that sort of thing, and a campaign that used it as its main focus would probably fail.

    1. Re:NO no NO no NO no by Luminous · · Score: 2

      The average voter/citizen has almost no interest in comparing an operating system that they don't understand with an operating system they've never heard of.

      You are absolutely correct. I can guarantee my parents and my siblings don't care about what system the government runs, just so long as they can get their permits/licenses/social security checks/etc quickly and with minimum fuss. That means the candidate can focus purely on saving money. It is a quick and easy Talking Point. "If elected, I will oversee an overhaul of technical systems, implementing tried and true systems which will save the taxpayers [x] amount a year."

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  42. Be sure to visit users groups by Camel+Pilot · · Score: 2

    If you looking for votes be sure to look up and make a visit to the local Linux Users Group, Perl Mongers Group, etc.

    Guaranteed votes if you express some sort of OSS advocacy. Maybe this only accounts for several hundred or thousands votes but they would be cheap votes in terms of amount of time spent.

    You might even get some offers to help.

    BTW since you are somewhat close to florida you might try to get your name on _top_ of the ballot :) That should be worth a couple of precentage points.

  43. Home Town Pride by nickm · · Score: 2

    One force that may work in your favor is home town pride. See if you can find any developers in your area, and find some way to brag about how you could be using software that was written "Right here in VA, and not in some Redmond office complex."

    Get people on the self-reliance kick. Relate it to stories about early pioneers not relying on the support of the major cities, or to direct ancestors of people famous in the town.

    Much of the Free Software advocacy kick is based on out-and-out pride. We try to push GNU, Linux and BSD into service not just because they're technically superior in many ways, but because we feel like it's made by Our People rather than some deranged Redmond focus group or snooty Cupertino aesthete. We can identify with the people who made it.

    Remember that Red Hat is in North Carolina, too. I don't know how you folks feel about the triangle, but you may be able to work up some small regional pride there if you can't find any local developers.

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  44. Make it about waste. by RareHeintz · · Score: 2
    Most of your constituency are probably not capable of caring less than they already do about Open Source/Free Software issues.

    OTOH, many of them probably have strong opinions on government waste. Spending money on M$ and other proprietary products when free (as in beer or speech) alternatives exist could be spun as a big-vs.-small gov't or gov't waste issue (at least on the city level, where big software corporations won't go after you with huge campaign contributions to your opponent(s)).

    Best of luck - we need more geeks in office.

    OK,
    - B

  45. the way to present it... by Lumpy · · Score: 2

    dont say a word about anything technical..

    #1 - cost savings... show the HUGE $$$$ saved.

    your constituents will love this.. saving huge dollars right now is great for everyone. any naysayers (read that as MSCE's) will scream that ther are no productivity apps.. point out that there are in fact many many FREE productivity apps that work well. and that a county in florida has sucessfully switched and saved bags of money.

    #2 - freedom.. Nationalism is runnung rampant right now... (not patriotism, but that's another issue) Open source screams freedom, freedom from being under control of a corperation... freedom from forcing a replacement of all computers every 2 years.

    finally wrap it up as that computers in government are there to work for the people and to do the job, not to make money for large companies.

    I would read everything you can about the communities that have changed to OSS and run from there.....

    research your topic.... but the $$$ saved is what will get the attention of the sheep\b\b\b\b\b regular citizen out there.

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  46. the other BSA by brassrat77 · · Score: 2

    Business Software Alliance. The folks who get the US Marshals to conduct raids of companies AND CITY GOVERNMENTS that didn't pay their required license fees. Or at least didn't conduct the 100% compliance audit they were expected to conduct.

    On topic: Using "free" (beer or speech) software may reduce costs associated with license fees and audits.

  47. It's closer by scruffy · · Score: 2
    Note that Redhat Linux is closer to you (North Carolina) than Microsoft (out on the West Coast wilderness somewhere).

    Yes, I know Redhat is not Linux, but it's American, though maybe a little too red for most of your constituents.

  48. OSS on the campaign trail by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 2

    While I understand your zest to incorporate OSS into your run for city council it just seems like a bad idea. Not because using the software in IT department isn't good, but because 95% of the voters (the people who actually CAST BALLOTS) don't know what the hell "Open Source" is, and really don't care how evil Microsoft is.

    The best way to approach this is to write up a comprehensive plan for your vision of the city. If it includes OSS, that's cool. Emphasize the cost-savings on licenses, and the potential savings on hardware replacement (don't have to replace all servers every 24 months if the software doesn't become exponentially more bloated every year), and then move on.

    Political reality is that most citizens care about two things: Crime in their neighborhood, and high taxes. As long as you take care of these two things, you're in good shape.

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  49. Be specific, what does it offer? by coyote-san · · Score: 2

    Besides the "it's the taxes, stupid" aspect covered by others, be specific about what you see Linux offering. What services do you see replacing, or offering for the first time? What problems (e.g., software audits) are you trying to avoid?

    Finally, have you verified that you can actually have any effect? Many cities have charters that explicitly prohibit the city council from interfering with the daily operations of the city departments - that's province of the city manager.

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  50. Of course! by roystgnr · · Score: 2

    If you're running for city council, stick to the top issues in municipal government: schools, taxes, crime, etc.

    He just has to promise that he'll make better schools, lower taxes, and less crime! His opponent will never think of that!

  51. You'll win or lose on other issues by brassrat77 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    At least up here in NoVA (Northern Virginia, the DC suburbs), the big issues in local elections are traffic, schools, crime. Taxes are always a factor, especially if it involves shipping $$ to Richmond and not getting as much back in roads, schools, etc...

    In your case, there MIGHT be a campaign issue involving the "efficiency" of city government, espcially if there's a program to "wire" the city or get city departments "on line". Without knowing the politics in Charlottesville, I will assume it is not a burning issue. (It took Marion Barry YEARS to make government incompetance an issue in DC - by causing much of it - and it's STILL far from being fixed). Schools? You might have computers in the classroom issues, or the town/gown deal with UVA, but I expect just getting a "passing" grade on the state Standards of Learning exams are a big enough deal.

    Sure, you can work open source software into elements of the campaign, but it isn't going to get you elected. Or understood.

    [semi relevant factoid: The Al Gore presidential campaign web site ran on linux and used open source software throughout (apache, php, mysql...). Did anyone care? The campaign did - it saved them $$ and worked better than W's big $$ Dell cluster running ASP. Did it help the campaign - yes, for raising money and building "community". Did it make a difference in winning or losing the election? IMHO, not a bit.]

  52. Steve Irwin vs. Linux by Bonker · · Score: 5, Funny

    Give me a map and compass, drop me into the Amazon Rainforest, and I will be lost immediately too. But that Crocodile Hunter guy on TV would figure out where he is, and start walking. Might take him a week, but he would find his way out, while I would still be trying to reboot the compass.

    Crikey! If you look ovah here, you can see a primo example of the dread Linux Hacker. 'e's a dangerous brute, but ain't 'e bayutiful?!

    I can get this close to 'im because I respect 'is terrortree. You're a notty hacker! Yes you are! He's a dangerous wonk, alright, but I'm okay because I'm a trained profeshun'al.

    Let's all remember the the Linux Hacker is an endangud species. Paoching and biggah predatas like the fanged Microsoft encroach on 'is terrortree more and more each yeah. If we want to keep these bayutiful creatuhs around, we gotta protect 'em!

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  53. Re:Like... by arkanes · · Score: 2

    Except, of course, that it was crafed in full knowledge that it made an excellent sound byte and he'd be associated with low taxes. One reason why democracy is stupid. Not that I have a viable solution. Stupid human nature.

  54. My recommendation... by Misch · · Score: 4, Funny

    Make your campaign slogan "Free as in Beer"

    Then make posters like this:
    FREE
    as in
    BEER

    Make the "FREE" and "BEER" in a really big size, and the "as in" in a really small size.

    Oh, don't forget to put your name on the poster somewhere too. In big letters. Probably as big as the letters you make "FREE BEER".

    Seriously though, I would check with the town clerk or historian and see how much they have been spending on software over the past few years. Draw up a budget plan and present it to the people showing the disparate prices between the software, and the re-training/OSS costs.

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  55. Who are you kidding? by FallLine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When was the last time that such minutia actually changed your vote one way or the other unless it directly affected you? Probably never.

    Even if you THINK you do, I doubt you really do. In order to make an informed decision on these matters must spend SOME time learning the background and the difference between the competing alternatives. Even with an issue like Open Source, there is considerable debate in the technical community about whether or not it actually saves money and it's got to be even harder for the average person to make heads or tails of it. It's not as if there's a simple authoritative source you can go to that says Open Source > Closed Source. It may be trivial to discover that the software itself takes money to actually purchase, but finding out the actual support costs, training, quality of the software, and other elements takes a lot of time and intuition. Speaking for myself, I'd actually be opposed to this kind of adoption, especially in a government agency.

    Now you're going to do this kind of research for each and every little item? Asphalt? Shovels? Paper? Paper clips? It may sound ridiculous, but I doubt software costs more than .5% of the local government costs. All these decisions take time, far too much time for the average voter to concern themselves with. We have public officials and representatives for a reason.

    This argument is especially ridiculous when you consider that the kinds of day to day payroll decisions made by managers have a far greater impact and cost far more. For instance, would you rather have an experienced admin run NT or a bunch of clowns running Linux? I know which I'd pick. Yet it's blatantly obvious that we can't effectively engage in this kind of oversight.

    1. Re:Who are you kidding? by Tim · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "For instance, would you rather have an experienced admin run NT or a bunch of clowns running Linux? I know which I'd pick."

      Hrm. I'd pick an experienced admin running Linux. Preferably one who knew what a false dichotomy was.

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    2. Re:Who are you kidding? by ddt · · Score: 2

      Discussing details, for me, is a sign of intelligence. Dumb people, like our president, speak only in broad strokes and flub the details. Smart people understand the issues from top to bottom. So even if someone is discussing a topic that I know I'm a retard on and don't understand, I'll look to experts, get the topic explained, and see if I can't make an intelligent decision.

      Clinton was freaking bright. Slept around but bright. I miss him terribly. This country could do with more leaders who aren't getting elected through careful image management.

      -dave.

    3. Re:Who are you kidding? by FallLine · · Score: 2

      Do you not understand the expression "for instance"? It is not the same thing offering those two as the only two alternatives.

      The point was that we can nickle and dime on the small stuff all day long, but, at the end of the day, it is still small stuff.

      No matter which side of the Open Source/Closed Source debate you shake out on, the odds are you understand that the differences are not _that_ dramatic.

      Payroll, however, surely represents the bulk of the costs of running the government and the quality of the people has a far greater impact on the performance of IT than the ideology of our software.

      In other words, our time is better spent worrying about the bigger issues like organized labor, where we have enough leverage to get some return on our efforts, than the thousands of possible areas that we can waste our time at, like whether or not we should use open source software. I'll leave that to the administrators. Thank you.

    4. Re:Who are you kidding? by FallLine · · Score: 2
      Discussing details, for me, is a sign of intelligence.
      I disagree. Having the ability to get into details may be part of having a solid understanding of the subject matter, as opposed to having a superficial understanding, but it does not demonstrate understanding in and of itself. I've known many people that can tell you, for instance, the fastest video card in the world and all the specs, but they have no comprehension of the subject matter itself. I've also known some people that have an excellent grasp on the overall subject, but only know minimal information about the nitty gritty details. They may read and understand the details at one point, but quickly forget them later because they're unnecessary.

      Dumb people, like our president, speak only in broad strokes and flub the details.
      I disagree with this. I think the man is a lot smarter than people give him credit for, but he's no great intellect. Intelligence != Intellect.

      So even if someone is discussing a topic that I know I'm a retard on and don't understand, I'll look to experts, get the topic explained, and see if I can't make an intelligent decision.
      Sure, you may look to experts for insight, but even this takes considerable time. Which expert is the average non-technical person, even a smart person, supposed to refer to for your definitive Good/Bad answer? It's a lot more complex than that. You add this investment of time and energy up for all the various minute decisions and it adds up to a lot of time; some of us have lives to live and jobs to do.

      Clinton was freaking bright. Slept around but bright. I miss him terribly.
      I don't. The man was bright, brigher than GW in most departments [note: I wouldn't say the same for Gore], but at the end of the day, I'd far rather have someone like GW in office than him. Clinton accomplished very little, despite his intelligence. One of his problems was he had weak people around him. The man alone may have been capable of filling most any one of those shoes, but not them all together.

      This country could do with more leaders who aren't getting elected through careful image management.
      Yeah, we all know Clinton never managed his image or took extensive polls while in office. Puhlease, he's the biggest offender ever.
    5. Re:Who are you kidding? by Tony-A · · Score: 2

      The alternatives are an experienced admin running Linux or a bunch of clowns running NT. It may not start out that way, but it is the way it ends up.

  56. People will be concerned about.... by Skapare · · Score: 2

    People will be concerned about cost (since they pay for that) and privacy (they pay for that, too, if some hacker comes and snatches confidential data the city has about them). You don't have to specifically say the L-word, but you should campaign on issues like "saving taxpayer money" and "preserving city resident privacy by increasing security in the city IT department". If asked how you would do that say "If I am elected, I would form a special task force to review security, procedures, and cost structure in city government, including the IT department". Avoid saying "Microsoft vs. Linux" specifically, as that would make it appear you have an agenda not specifically associated with city political issues. If asked about that say something like "I will certainly make sure all our options are open, and if a change in software will make things more secure and reduce costs, then I'm all for that and will see to it that it gets done".

    Be sure to read this, too.

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  57. Great line by Anonymous+DWord · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...it's high time that our governments took advantage of its investment in these quality resources.

    That's speech material right there. Has a beautiful ring to it. :)

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  58. Suggested line by jd · · Score: 2

    "Our industries, our jobs, are under increasing pressure. Our livlihoods, our neighbors, our children are at risk. But I tell you, the answer need cost you nothing. Freedom for Charlotte to be prosperous, freedom from fear of "downsizing", freedom from the whims of Corporations a thousand miles away. That is what I have to offer, and it's real. The other choice is to live on moonbeams and fairy dust. Can you pay your bills with wishes? Then let us make Charlotte a city to be proud of!"

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  59. Re:$$ is always important by curunir · · Score: 2

    Heck...just say the words "free beer" a lot and you'll win by a landslide.

    I'd have to agree with the parent tho...stressing techie issues is a bad way to try to get elected. Regardless of whether it is a legitimate problem or not, the tech-saavy population is one of the least motivated electorates around. How many /.'ers have written lengthy posts to /. about the issues they feel strongest about but have never written their congressperson?

    Relying on the tech saavy vote to get elected probably won't work. However, that said, when re-election time rolls around, the "I saved the city $xxxxxx.xx using open source software" might work really well.

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  60. Free Campaign Advice by John+Murdoch · · Score: 2

    Hi!

    By way of introduction, let me mention up front that I've been an elected public official, an elected party official, and I've run several political campaigns in municipal, county, and state senate races.

    Let me offer some advice.

    Don't pitch Open Source
    You're attempting two impossible things at one time: you're raising an issue that you simply cannot get across in the limited bandwidth of a campaign; and you're staking your campaign on the city's website and it's present outsourced contractor. Picking on a city vendor is generally a bad campaign strategy, unless the vendor is already on the front page of the newspaper or the current mayor's brother-in-law. Otherwise you are perceived as "rocking the boat" and a nuisance--and you will guarantee yourself absolutely zero cooperation from municipal employees on issues like poster permits, etc. You also instantly create an opponent: the city official responsible for selecting the incumbent (Windows-based) web hosting firm. Who will, undoubtedly, be quoted in the newspaper as saying, "if this guy wants to be the city I.T. director, he should come down to City Hall and fill out a job application. Picking the software for the website isn't City Council's job...."

    I'm not kidding. I have seen this happen before.
    Back in the late 1980s I recruited a candidate to run for the local school board. This guy was perfect. He had a clue about schools and education, he had kids in the district schools, he was an assistant coach in the local township rec. league, and he had a terrific grasp of financial issues. Except....

    The guy was going to TQM (Total Quality Management) training classes, and embracing the TQM religion. And he got religion--he started talking about implementing TQM in the schools, and he wouldn't get off the subject. He talked about it when he was campaigning, he talked about it when he talked to voters at home, he talked about it in his brochures, and he handed out a white paper on TQM at the League of Women Voters meeting. It was, um, a bit over the top. It's been maybe 10-15 years, and I still get grief from local leaders about the guy--where did I dig him up?

    What you should do
    Understand that you have a very limited amount of bandwidth to talk to the voter. And you have a very limited number of voters to talk to. And 95% of those voters are interested in races that they view as more significant than yours. All of which means that you simply cannot even begin to sell something as complex as Open Source, or as instantly controversial as "replacing the city's Internet consulting firm" (which is how the newspaper will report your campaign platform).

    Instead, do these steps:

    • Go to the county registrar's office, and get data on voter registration and election attendance for the past 4 years. This data is a matter of public record, and it should be available--I'm 99% sure Virginia makes it available for each county, but I might be mistaken.
    • Load the data into a database. You'll have a table of voters, and data reporting which of the elections in the past 4 years that voter has voted in.
    • Run a script or write a program that assigns points to each voter. Award:
      • 1 point for voting in the 2000 General election.
      • 2 points for voting in the 1998 General election, or the 2000 primary election
      • 3 points for voting in the 1997 and 1999 General elections
      • 4 points for voting in the 1998 primary election
      • 5 points for voting in the 1997 or 1999 primary elections.
    • As you can quickly see, voters can score from 0 to 25 points. You will also see that there is a relatively small number of voters who score 20 points or higher. You will find that practically any voter scoring more than 15 points will score 25--and will get downright hostile if you suggest that perhaps they might have ever missed a single opportunity to vote. In politics we call them "Super Voters." They are the key to winning elections.
    • Sit down with friends and a stack of phone books. Your voter registration data will not include phone numbers. You have to match a phone number to each Super Voter in your party.
    • When you have phone numbers for each Super Voter, sit down in front of a contact manager (like Act!) and start at the top of your list. Call each and every Super Voter. Tell them your name, and tell them you will be sending them information about yourself. Describe to them why you are running for city council. Ask them to read your material, and think of any questions they might have for you--you'll be calling them back in a week or two.
    • Then mail your information to each SV you contact.
    • Then call back.
    • In the words of CmdrTaco, "lather, rinse, repeat." Your aim should be to talk to each of your SV's at least three times before the primary. (N.B. Talk to, not leave message for. Chatting with the answering machine does not count.)
    • In your conversations you want to emphasize three things:
      1. Your name (name recognition is the single most important issue in municipal elections)
      2. Why you are running (brief, to-the-point, no-jargon: what you will bring to Charlottesville City Council to make life better
      3. Your willingness--your eagerness--to hear what issues that voter has on his or her mind. "If you were on City Council, what are the three things you would do?"
    • Do not waste your time on paid advertising (spend a buck or two on signs and poll cards--do not spend a dime on newspaper ads or (worse) radio or TV. Don't even think about billboards. And don't waste your time calling anybody but voters with a proven track record of voting in even-year primaries, at least. Call the SVs first, and then--only if you have time--call the highest-point voters who have voted in at least 2 primaries.
    • Why just the SVs? They will vote. They will vote if it is snowing, they will vote if it is raining, they will vote under any circumstances. (Example: Mario Andretti and his family were constituents of mine--they all voted absentee from Indianapolis in a completely uncontested municipal primary. The entire family are SVs.) Second, they influence other people's votes. People will ask Uncle Donald who to vote for--Uncle Donald will be sure to mention that you have made a point to call him for his views and opinions. Uncle Donald's personal recommendation is worth more to you than any billboard, anywhere.
    • If you do all of this, you run an extremely good chance of getting elected. If you have been honest in stating why you are running, and sincere in wanting to hear what your constituents have to say, you will deserve to be elected.
    • And if you are genuinely worthy, on the day after the election, you will start calling your voters all over again--to say Thanks, and to ask for guidance in how you function in office on City Council.

    And hey--if you do get elected, drop me a note. My oldest daughter is going off to college in Lynchburg next fall, and I know she'll be traveling to C'ville for riding lessons. It might be handy to have a contact to call in an emergency.

  61. This Is Waldo Jaquith's Actual Account by waldoj · · Score: 2

    FYI, this is the real Waldo Jaquith's account. Somebody made an account named Waldo Jaquith and is posting some rather amusing flamebait. You know it's me because my UID rocks and his is astronomical. :)

    Anyhow, I'd appreciate if moderators could moderate appropriately. Thanks, folks! Of to class...

    -Waldo Jaquith

  62. It's a means, not an end by Sloppy · · Score: 2

    Keep in mind that your job as a public official would be to serve the public's selfish interest. Using Open Source Software and Free Software just happen to be ways that often (but not always) serve that end.

    What you tell them is that you are going to fight government waste of their tax dollars and reduce corporate welfare. And OSS/FS are one of the ways you'll do it.

    You explain how they allow you to get software (if it already exists) for little or no expenditure. And for software that doesn't yet exist or needs a lot of mods, it allows you to shop around among contractors to get the best bid (since you have the code, instead of them). And if the desired mods are popular, you may even be able to con some suckers (perhaps even in another country) into doing the work for you, for free, without any taxpayer expenditures at all!

    I've heard there have been recent BSA radio ads. It would be amusing if those same ads were immediately followed by ads that say that if you're elected, you'll use software that doesn't require that the local government employ auditors to serve the interest of some private megacorp on the other side of the country.

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  63. Are you running for office or the IS Dept? by maggard · · Score: 2
    Seriously - they're two different jobs.

    If you want to do geeky stuff then get a job doing that for your locality, don't go sit in city council or whatever and try to dictate administrivia. If you want to get involved in broad range of local issues then run for office.

    Every place gets it's fair number of single-issue candidates every season. Some are anti-abortion, some are obsessed with more money for the schools, or getting better playing fields for sports, or are gun nuts, whatever. You - apparently your big theme is Open Source and expanded IS.

    Guess what: Most folks don't want to see bozos like that in office.

    You can't pick and choose what will be local issues. Sure you can sit on or even possibly chair committees (though rookies don't often do that) but at best you'll spend 5% of your time and energy on a pet project; the rest of the time it'll just keeping the wheels of goverment turning.

    Water & sewage, roads and schools, contracts and insurance, negotiating with unions and filling out paperwork for other layers of government. These are all your responsibilities and unless you're willing to commit yourself to fulfilling all of these then you're absolutely the wrong person for the position.

    Sure it's nice to daydream "If I were King" but you won't be: You'll be an elected official working within an established system. Try to tell the local civil service IS employees what to do and they'll smile, give to 30 minutes of their time then dismiss you as a gadfly, though perhaps as a useful gadfly in the future.

    Do yourself and your constituents a favor: Decide if you really want to be an elected official or if you want to play with computers.

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    I don't read ACs: If a post isn't worth so much as a nom de plume to its author then I wont bother either.
  64. Don"t Try It.. Don't. Really, don't try it. by ColGraff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just don't. Trust me on this, the average user just does not care about his computer. He does not care about improving performance, or being able to tweak his programs, or helping other programmers. He just wants "the machine" to work. If you focus on open source, you will get hammered in any and all public forums. Just for the heck of it, here's a quick sample speech by a hypothetical opponent of yours that could be made after you gave an "open-source" schpeel:

    "Ladies and gentlemen, like many of you, I have heard Mr. Jaquith's speech on the benefits of switching the town to what he calls 'open-source' software. And like many of you, I am confused. Our city need money for roads, and schools. Our children need more parks and playgrounds, and children's programs to keep our youth off the streets. As we go into this new century, our city faces questions of crime, of poverty - Mr. Jaquith talks about Linucks and Debean or whatever it's called - I, for one, cannot make heads or tails of it.

    And that's his perogative, of course - the right to campaign freely is what makes this country what it is, the unshakeable roots of our culture. But not to put too fine a point on it, do the people of Charlottville really care about my worthy opponent's issues? As long as our taxes and payrolls for city workers are processed in a timely manner, as long as other computerized fuctions are carried out properly - why should we change them? Even Mr. Jaquith cannot tell us how they will save any meaningful amount of time - in fact, I tell you it will cost us time, as our town employees are forced to learn the new system. So why does Mr. Jaquith want this?

    I can tell you that. He believes that it is wrong, my friends, to pay for software. He believes a product that costs thousands of man-hours to produce must be given away for free, and that those who would not do this are evil. Go to a web site called slashdot.org, or freshmeat.net, or read any "linux advocacy" magazine, and the "open source" position becomes clear.

    I know that this is a tight race, and that I may not be elected. That's fine, that's the democratic process, and I can accept that. But my fellow citizens, I ask one thing of you. When the time comes for you to vote, vote based on the issues that actually matter to your lives. Schools, taxes, health care - if you do not agree with me on these things, then please do not vote for me. But please don't vote for Waldo Jaquith for the sake of a complex new system that we don't need. Thank you."

    It's a little rough, I admit, but with a little polishing it might be good against you, sir. Find "real" issues, like those mentioned in the speech above, and campaign on those - open source is something you can work for once you're actually in power. I hope this helped.

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    1. Re:Don"t Try It.. Don't. Really, don't try it. by buss_error · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I think that ColGraf has his points here, but I want to take a crack at demolishing what (s)he says. I don't think it's wrong, but I do thing it can be counteracted.

      Our city need money for roads, and schools. Our children need more parks and playgrounds, and children's programs to keep our youth off the streets. As we go into this new century, our city faces questions of crime, of poverty - Mr. Jaquith talks about Linucks and Debean or whatever it's called - I, for one, cannot make heads or tails of it.

      Mr. Jaquith's possible response:
      My honored opponent cannot make heads or tails of the concept of open source. Allow me to simplify matters some what. When Bill Gate's home town asked what software they should use, Bill Gates, co-founder of the largest software company in the world, recommended open source.

      My honored opponent wants more money for things we need, such as roads, schools, and youth programs. I completely agree. Freeing ourselves of the enourmous costs of closed, propritary, expensive software will let us, in the long term, put that money to those uses.

      And that's his perogative, of course - the right to campaign freely is what makes this country what it is, the unshakeable roots of our culture. But not to put too fine a point on it, do the people of Charlottville really care about my worthy opponent's issues?

      My honored opponent and I want the same things. We each, however, wish to accomplish that in differing ways. No matter who wins this election, you, the voter, are the real winner. The people should care that we spend too much money to write letters, too much money to print checks, and too much money to keep track of it all. These are areas of improvment I see we can make. These are simple things, really, and while we will have to train people in the new ways, we have to train them in the current software anyway. At least with open source, we are not forced to upgrade to new systems every two years, re-train on the new systems, and upgrade expensive hardware in the bargan. My friends, this is precicely what we have to do now with our current systems. My proposal has the advantage that we are able to control our costs more effectively than if we allow Microsoft to dictate to us when, how, and how much our upgrades will cost. We won't have to drop our youth programs because we have to buy a software upgrade this year. We don't have to reduce services because someone half a contenant away decides it's time for us to buy the newest version. Those choices will be firmly in our hands, to steer our own course, to determine our, and our children's, destiny.

      As long as our taxes and payrolls for city workers are processed in a timely manner, as long as other computerized fuctions are carried out properly - why should we change them? Even Mr. Jaquith cannot tell us how they will save any meaningful amount of time - in fact, I tell you it will cost us time, as our town employees are forced to learn the new system. So why does Mr. Jaquith want this?

      I can tell you that. He believes that it is wrong, my friends, to pay for software. He believes a product that costs thousands of man-hours to produce must be given away for free, and that those who would not do this are evil. Go to a web site called slashdot.org, or freshmeat.net, or read any "linux advocacy" magazine, and the "open source" position becomes clear.

      My worthy opponent is correct. It will cost time and money to switch to a new system. This is why I want to investigate the use of open source software. Since some open source software has been given to the betterment of mankind, should we turn up our noses and close our eyes because someone decided to give us this gift? Should refuse this gift just because it doesn't line a corporation's pockets with even more money?

      My opponent wants to put words in my mouth. He wants you to read things not said by me, not endorced by me, and not written at my behest as what I beleive. Well, he can ask you to do that, and some may even think that way. I cannot, and will not, tell anyone what they should beleive. This is, as my opponent points out, a free country. Since this is true, allow me the freedom of telling you what I think, and not what my opponent whats you to think about me. As for free software, if that is what the author wants to do with it, then I'll take them up on their offer. If that isn't what they want to do with their software, and we need it, of course we should pay for it. But do we need to pay for it over, and over and over again? Do you have to buy a new hammer for each nail? I say it's high time we quit buying a new hammer every time we need to drive a nail. If that's new fangled thinking, then I'm guilty as charged.

      OK, rant mode off now.

      Harry Homeowner doesn't really care what system sends out his property tax bill, he just wants that bill to be lower. If you can invoke the self interest of the voter, do that. Ideologs don't fair well at that polls, but others that promise to bannish a boogieman do. I forget what movie it was that the guy playing president said "All he's interested in is telling you why you should be afraid of it, and who is to blame for it." There is more truth to that than anything else.

      But really, public service is to serve the public need. If you are running just to get open source into the city IT infrastructure, you are running for the wrong reason and should get out now.

      A last note; don't try to do this all at once. Pick a department that isn't cricital to the operations of other departments, and do them as a proof of concept. Or pick one facet of city business and do that. DON'T try to change the world overnight, because it just won't happen.

      Good luck!

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  65. Don't Ask /., Ask Your Neighbors by Liza · · Score: 2

    As much fun as it would be to represent /. on the city council, we're not your constituency. It doesn't matter what we think, and looking at the penetration of linux into government agencies, I'm guessing our messaging skills are about as bad as geek communications reputation would suggest.

    Go ask your neighbors! First, talk to a couple of people you trust to be honest with you. Tell them you think this is an important issue that people should care about, and then explain why. Ask them if you've convinced them. Ask them what arguments were convincing and which seemed irrelevant to them. Then go talk to your neighbors.

    Try to get a feel for which arguments work with them and which made them think you were a crazy geek. Use the arguments that work!

    BTW, people might not care. You might not be able to get them to care. And you'll be more likely to be elected if you listen to the things people in your community care about, and offer ideas for how to deal with those things. You can obsess about open source issues when you get there. :)

    You might want to work with someone who has done community organizing in your area, especially consumer-oriented groups.

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  66. Catch Phrase for you... by gnovos · · Score: 2

    Open Source, Open Government.

    Use the open source philosophy as a selling point. Say you want your goverment to work like open source does, where everyone contributes, where everything is out in the open (no secret deals), and where it works perfectly.

    It will be a huge paradigm shift for most politicians, but IF you can pull it off, you will be on the road to the presidency and you will have DESERVED it.

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  67. What do the people say? by Elias+Israel · · Score: 2

    Can you sell the idea of open source or low-cost IT options in a political race?

    Sure.

    The question is: do the people want it?

    This is a common mistake that new candidates make: Trying to "sell the people" on something that's important to the candidate without asking whether the people care about it in the first place.

    Your experience in building IT infrastructure certainly could be something that helps create the image that you're ready for the job, if the job has an obvious computer component to it.

    But chances are the people care more about issues that are accessible to them. Issues like crime, education, the economy, or (lately) their personal safety.

    What you should do is ask the people what they want and then try to find a way to show them that they can get it by supporting you.

    This emphatically does not mean that you should just tell them what they want to hear. Stick with what you know and who you are. But if you're not presenting it in terms of what the people want, (instead of what you happen to think is kewl), then you're wasting your time and theirs.

  68. If you mention open source, you will not win by thogard · · Score: 2

    The reason is simple, there are several compaines that make a lot of money selling the city M$ junk. They will object if they get wind of your open source attitude. They will point out that your open source attitude will cost them jobs which the other tax payers will not like. They will spin you out of the picture and you could find ads for your oponents paid for by M$ who has more money than you do. Thouse voters that do care won't make a difference compared to the large number of voters that don't but are cuaght up by the spin doctors.

    My advice, go on other issues. If asked about your software views say your "_open_ about them" and if you win, chase the M$ money through the goverment and take a axe with you.

  69. More savings, more suggestions about wording by TheMCP · · Score: 2

    I absolutely agree that money is what voters are going to care about: talking to them about open-source software is like talking to them in Martian, but if you start talking asking why the local government is using "expensive" Microsoft software instead of "free linux", they will at least notice.

    Another reduced cost is reduced cost of hardware: since Linux runs nicely on less powerful hardware, older computers could potentially be put back into service if they're on hand, and existing computers could be kept in service longer because they won't be made obselete immediately by rapidly bloating commercial software. A lot of constituents have purchased computers. A lot of them will have had the experience of buying what they think is an expensive new computer, only to find it's obselete (or at least out of date) in six months to a year. Remind them of this experience and point out that their city goes through the same thing... and explain how Linux can save their tax money by greatly slowing down that new-to-obselete cycle.

    As a secondary issue, if the current operating system of choice for the city is from Microsoft, you could start asking why the city government is spending tax money on an illegal monopoly - "giving your tax money to lawbreakers!"

    Finally, I'd say don't be unrealistically optimistic: the change to Linux will involve some staff time, possibly bringing on some temporary IT staff to help with the changeover, and possibly retraining existing IT staff or hiring an additional sysadmin or two, and at least minor internal retraining for all staff about applications. Stress that by making a minor outlay to make the change now, the many kinds of long-term savings we've enumerated here can occur in the future.

  70. Duck soup for ROI by leonbrooks · · Score: 2
    The cost of software is really not where the pain is. The Total Cost of Ownership and Return On Investment are the metrics used.

    Fabulous! If you push the reinstall rate back from 1 per node per year to one per node per 3 years (or even less with something like Debian) you save about $120 per node per annum in admin time alone, to say nothing of the value of user's time. If you go whole hog and use diskless, this drops even more, as does the replacement rate and hardware failure rate. Note that I haven't mantioned cost of software yet, and this is only a couple of aspects of ROI.

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    1. Re:Duck soup for ROI by Zeinfeld · · Score: 2
      If you push the reinstall rate back from 1 per node per year to one per node per 3 years (or even less with something like Debian) you save about $120 per node per annum in admin time alone, to say nothing of the value of user's time.

      If in the process the user is unable to use their favorite word processor any longer they are unlikely to consider the saving worthwhile.

      Having installed Linux a few times I am quite amazed that people would make anything as ridiculous as a lower admin cost for it. Unless you take the precaution of aging the machine six months or so the chances are you end up using buggy as heck device drivers or writing your own.

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  71. I am impressed by ColGraff · · Score: 2

    Sir, you are very very good - far better than I at political debate. Thank you for pointing out the holes in my argument. I should point out that I am not really an anti-closed source zealot - were I forced to define my position, "moderately pro-open-source" would do. Well fought!

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  72. Re:Should this be a political (I.E. Campaign) issu by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 2

    "If elected, I promise only to buy chairs from Company X! VOTE ME!"

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  73. Sorry, but by madenosine · · Score: 2, Informative

    It does not seem that many people have realised the fact that this man is a troll; the story is fake just look at his posting history. Christ...is it really that hard to see? I must say, however, that it is a good and pretty funny one.

  74. Who are you paying for those mod points? by Uttles · · Score: 2

    Because there's no insight in that argument. I've personally known a crack whore baby factory, and the thought of her makes me sick. Welfare is shit, it's degrading to Americans, and it should be eliminated.

    I just love statistics (sarcasm,) especially when used so gracefully.
    ...I see a large middle ground as preferable to a small (15%? I forget) portion of the populace controlling 80% of the wealth.

    Sounds eerily similar to the bullshit campaign Gore used last time around. Let me explain why that stat is pure shit:
    Let's say we have 5 people. Each person makes $1 per day at work base salary. One of those people is the manager, who gets $3 more per day because of his hard work and promotion to a higher position. So, that person gets paid $4 while the others just get $1, bringing the total amount paid to all employees $8. That's an atrocity!!! 20% of the workers now control 50% of the money!!! Oh GOD, let's ban capitalism right away and give that whole Communism thing another go-round!!!

    OK I'll stop with the sensationalism. The point is that I have no problem with a few people being rich and a few people being poor, because I'm a competitor and I plan on being successful. If I fail, so be it, I'm not going to accept money from the government. If I succeed, I'm going to be extremely pissed off that 60% of my money goes to paying for slack asses to live. In life there are winners and losers, I believe Darwin referred to it as the process of natural selection. We need to stop forcing the winners to bail the losers out. Churches, community groups, families, things like that should be (and would be if people didn't have to pay so many taxes) the benefactors to the needy, not the government and my hard earned paycheck.

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    1. Re:Who are you paying for those mod points? by arkanes · · Score: 2

      For what it's worth, I intended this to be a brief aside on a topic that I feel very strongly about and couldn't pass up. My post is now up to 4 and has jack-all to do with the topic, and I'd rather it wasn't.

  75. Easy equation by mattr · · Score: 2

    Create a plan on how to use the money you
    saved by not using Microsoft, or say that
    you will give x dollars back to each taxpayer.

    Possibly you could create a digital government
    initiative which would reduce costs and provide
    jobs to local talent pool, though it would not
    be easy to show how/when you would save money.
    Perhaps easiest is to look at example of a city
    which has switched and modify it for your needs.

    Also, you could calculate your liability in the
    event that you actually had to pay Microsoft for
    all of the liscenses and upgrades that they require. Perhaps it would work out to something
    significant.. this money could be again, given back to the people, or better yet show some leadership and use it to hire people who can
    save you more. Open source isn't just about money, it also means people can modify the code.

    That's a community project and you could foster
    the development of solutions for government starting at home, and take advantage of work done
    elsewhere for other local governments.

    Also you could check and see how many people have
    ADSL or cable Internet access and see how happy they are. Maybe linux could be part of an initiative to give good access or other services to homeowners courtesy of the city and open source.

  76. As someone who has helped manage a local campaign by w3woody · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't.

    Or rather, don't make open source a focal point in your campaign because you'll just get 40,000 glazed eyes, and 40,000 people who will think you're a nut who has focused on some small aspect of the campaign rather than the "big issue" ideas such as city management, police, fire, and schools.

    Of course if you do put together a position paper on your overall campaign, you may want to toss out open source as a line item, or a minor talking point. But by and large, think of a campaign as a very large job interview in front of 40,000 potential employers who don't give a damn and who can't be bothered to read your resume.

    If I were you, in this current election cycle, I would concern myself with police first, schools second, and local concerns third. If open source even comes up, talk about it as a potential tax savings that can potentially be used to help fund police efforts or whatever.

    By the way, a realistic estimate of the cost to transition a town to open source should factor in the cost to retrain users and the cost for your town's MIS department to make the transition in terms of lowered productivity and consulting time. And while overall you probably will save a fair amount of money, realistically speaking the fiscal savings over the course of a year may not buy one police squad car. (Not that the savings is insignificant, but in the scope of running a town, it's relatively small chump change.)

    Oh, and by the way, slightly off topic: beware political math done by any of your opponents! When I helped my brother win in the city council in Fresno several years back, it was done largely because he went up against an opponent who tried to claim that a $1 million savings in one place could be used to hire a hundred police officers and pay their salaries for one year. (Do the math: factoring in training costs and the cost of supplies, what's left wouldn't pay minimum wage.)

    Oh, and beware the last minute advertising blitz! That is, beware of your opponents taking out a whole bunch of last minute advertising which sways the voters away from you. The last election cycle, my brother was defeated because his opponent violated campaign financing rules (a criminal offense in this state) to buy advertising that painted my brother as a crook. (The irony there should be obvious.)

    Anyways, good luck!

  77. Good Answers, Everybody by waldoj · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Thanks, folks. The answers that seem to be the most correctish are the ones that read "what are you, stupid?" The point being that this is a topic of such piddling interest and without bearing on the Real World(tm) that it has nothing to do with a city councilor, least of all with a campaign. It's the IT guy's job, end of story, for the most part. I had suspected this to be the case, but figured that it was something worth asking /. about.

    Now I know. :) Thanks, all.

    -Waldo Jaquith

  78. Re:(OT) Supposes whom? by Twylite · · Score: 2

    There seems to be a general perception in the middle/upper class that poverty is the fault of the poor for not uplifting themselves. This is a good sign of a complete misunderstanding of the socioeconomic system.

    Let's start with minimum wage. You're right: its a minumum. It has nothing to do with the cost of living, but with the cost of surviving. It is set according to the requirements of a statistically average poor household (2.5 kids, high density housing, 1 working parent), and should allow them to maintain basic human standards of living according to the International Declaration of Human Rights.

    So why should a bunch of capatalists be interested in such bullshit? Why don't they just get skills and improve their lives?

    Because you, working on your expensive computer in your suburban home, require unskilled labour. Because you aren't prepared to fix your own potholes, take your garbage to a landfill or recycling site, sweep the streets, mow the verges, or watch for cracked beer bottles on a production line and smash them so that you can enjoy a cold one at the pub.

    And because capatalists put too much emphasis on skill, and undervalue basic services of this nature, the system can't work without intervention at a political level.

    The paradox that arises is that you can train unskilled people, but that leaves a vacuum for unskilled labour and an abundance of low-skill labour. The economic of supply and demand kicks in, and you end up with situations that have been seen in Germany and the far east: production line workers (low/moderate skill) earning less than menial labourers (street sweepers, etc), because no-one with skill is prepared to do such an arbitrary job.

    An ecnonomic system, like a political system, is a compromise between government and individuals. Some individuals want complete equity in distribution, some want complete anarchy. The compromise is the point at which restrictions are placed: with capatalism the point is close to anarchy.

    This compromise is needed because in a pure capatalist society, those with money can dictate to those without. Even a highly skilled individual cannot earn a good salary if companies are not prepared to pay one. Competition and demand only work to a limited extent: if all companies recognise that they can get a resource cheaper, they will force such a response from the market.

    Notice how consumers are generally unable to apply pressure to large companies, but the reverse is not true. Microsoft, Sony, and Universal come to mind. When dealing with necessary resources (like a job) as opposed to optional or luxury items, the laws of supply and demand largely go out of the window.

    In other words, the job of a capatalist government is (amongst others) to ensure that there is an unlimited ability to grow money, but that must be balanced against the rights of individuals to earn money, and the cost and value of services that need to be provided to society. The prevention of collusion and the use of minimum wage are extremely effective in creating such a balance.

    Democracy is not about listening to the rule of the majority. It is about accomodating the majority while protecting them and the rights of all minorities. Capatalism is inherently at odds with democracy, which is why most first world countries tend towards socialism (especially in Europe).

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  79. Re:Good for you. by gnovos · · Score: 2

    That's just a cliche... When it comes down to it, a voter is just a person when in the voting booth. Don't forget, just because you flipped heads 50 times in a row doesn't mean that the chance of the next flip coming up tails is greater than 50 percent, 'cuase it's not. Aggregates are nice, but they aren't reality.

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  80. Bad Campaign issue. by duffbeer703 · · Score: 2

    Don't think too hard, because you won't be in any office.

    Councilmen don't make decisions about PC stuff, civil service people do. This is not a hot-button issue that anyone outside of the IT community cares about one way or another.

    The big money in government is spent on professional services during installation -- not software.

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  81. Sound bite: 'government transparency' by Spoing · · Score: 2
    A more subtle point is that open source improves openness. Using open file formats and protocols protects the government and the public from vendor lock-in. It also improves the chance that government archives will still be accessible in the middling and distant future. I don't know how you can make these points sound-bite-friendly, but it's worth thinking about.

    I agree with all this. The word to use is "Transparency" as in "...and efforts to improve government transparency both now and the the future." If this stirs some emotions, elaborate a little.

    Open source definately can help with government transparency since any audit can be more complete, and the data -- the work -- of the governement does not become stale or unretrievable.

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  82. You don't say.... by Spamalamadingdong · · Score: 2
    There seems to be a general perception in the middle/upper class that poverty is the fault of the poor for not uplifting themselves. This is a good sign of a complete misunderstanding of the socioeconomic system.
    There seems to be a general perception among the political left that economic systems are arbitrary, and that they have no relationship to human nature. This is a good sign of a complete misunderstanding of both and of game theory. People aren't completely rational actors, but they are close enough that you can't expect them not to take advantage of biases in the system. If you bias the system toward the subsidy of uneducated, unskilled labor over skills and education, that's what you'll get.
    Let's start with minimum wage. You're right: its a minumum. It has nothing to do with the cost of living, but with the cost of surviving. It is set according to the requirements of a statistically average poor household (2.5 kids, high density housing, 1 working parent), and should allow them to maintain basic human standards of living according to the International Declaration of Human Rights.
    It is? "Should", according to whom? And according to what standard? Survival is priced very differently from place to place. There's a huge difference between NYC or SF and the hinterlands of Mississippi or the Florida panhandle; how's one minimum wage supposed to address that?

    Let me tell you how it really works: the minimum wage is set by the legislature according to the pressures of trade unions and populists (the former want labor priced higher to decrease competitive pressure on their members, the latter so that they can talk up "all that they've done" for that fraction of their constituents who remain employable at the higher minimum) versus the employers, particularly small business (who are responsible for a lot of the entry-level employment opportunities and whose competitiveness is most affected by the minimum wage). The political class uses the minimum wage to extort contributions from the competing interests so that they don't get trampled in the process.

    "Now is the time that men work quietly in the fields, and women weep softly in the kitchen; the Legislature is in session, and no man's property is safe." - Daniel Webster

    The paradox that arises is that you can train unskilled people, but that leaves a vacuum for unskilled labour and an abundance of low-skill labour.
    It's no paradox; it's called "non-monetary interest" or "deferred gratification". People do what they find rewarding. People (mostly women, but both sexes) remove themselves from the workforce to raise children. People live on poverty-level stipends as graduate students, in the interest of getting more education and a better position later. (Need I mention that highly-paid unskilled labor tends to be replaced by automation, and automation is created by highly-skilled people? Should I add that automation increases the productivity per hour of work and raises the general standard of living?)

    If people would rather work at a low-skill position than an unskilled position despite the latter paying more, it obviously has some other kind of reward. Prospects for advancement are one such reward, emotional gratification is another. However, one usually finds such situations where wages are set by government fiat, such as the higher wages of bus drivers over doctors in the (defunct) Soviet Union.

    An ecnonomic system, like a political system, is a compromise between government and individuals. Some individuals want complete equity in distribution, some want complete anarchy. The compromise is the point at which restrictions are placed: with capatalism the point is close to anarchy.
    Not in the USA, it's not; it's more of an oligarchy. But this is a symptom of the political class holding out laws for sale to the highest bidder; if the political class had no such power (such as if it was forbidden to exercise such powers), the problem would cease to exist.
    This compromise is needed because in a pure capatalist society, those with money can dictate to those without. Even a highly skilled individual cannot earn a good salary if companies are not prepared to pay one.
    Hah! A highly-skilled individual can earn whatever people are willing to pay, unless the government steps in and forbids individuals from running their own businesses and effectively chains them to one other another s\l\a\v\e\m\a\s\t\e\r corporate employer. The political class has a strong interest in doing this, because a few large organizations are much easier to shake down and/or control than a horde of small ones.
    Democracy is not about listening to the rule of the majority. It is about accomodating the majority while protecting them and the rights of all minorities.
    Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for lunch, and don't delude yourself otherwise. Constitutional democracy is better, but still not perfect. The political class is too good at finding its way around constraints on its power.
    In other words, the job of a capatalist government is (amongst others) to ensure that there is an unlimited ability to grow money, but that must be balanced against the rights of individuals to earn money, and the cost and value of services that need to be provided to society. The prevention of collusion and the use of minimum wage are extremely effective in creating such a balance.
    As practiced in Europe, this appears to set up against the "right" of the individual to be unemployed even if they would prefer to have a job; the unemployment rate in Europe was running over twice that of the USA the last time I checked. The minimum wage is one of the things keeping people from getting jobs, as any job which doesn't produce enough value to exceed the minimum wage will not exist even if a job-seeker would happily take it.
    Capatalism is inherently at odds with democracy, which is why most first world countries tend towards socialism (especially in Europe).
    Of course capitalism is anti-democratic. Capitalism is about liberty, the freedom to do things without having to obtain someone else's approval first. Democracy as practiced by socialist states in Europe has ossified, but few of its citizens seem to be able to see the source of their troubles, and fewer still are ready to make the required changes.

    That's all right, the USA can use the influx of your disaffected entrepreneurs.

  83. Ageing your machine by leonbrooks · · Score: 2
    Unless you take the precaution of aging the machine six months or so the chances are you end up using buggy as heck device drivers or writing your own.

    And Windows is different?
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    Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing